WEBVTT - 4-6-26 Scott Sloan Show 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:04.080 You want to be an American idiot, got flowing show 0:00:04.120 --> 0:00:07.120 back on seven hundred w OLW on this Monday morning 0:00:07.280 --> 0:00:11.160 and cause to celebrate something we probably normally wouldn't celebrate. 0:00:11.280 --> 0:00:14.640 And you know, you take these things as they come. 0:00:14.760 --> 0:00:17.119 And sadly, on Friday, we heard that a plane and 0:00:17.160 --> 0:00:19.520 this would be an F fifteen East Strike Eagle shot 0:00:19.560 --> 0:00:22.280 down over southern Iran on Friday. That's the first US 0:00:22.280 --> 0:00:25.480 fighter jet loss to enemy fire and well over twenty years. 0:00:26.040 --> 0:00:30.000 The two crew members ejected. The pilot was recovered. However, 0:00:30.040 --> 0:00:34.400 it became a rescue operation for the weapons officer and 0:00:34.520 --> 0:00:37.560 finally he was saved, and a retired Navy seal and 0:00:37.720 --> 0:00:40.519 Army ranger breaks down the most daring rescue mission in 0:00:40.640 --> 0:00:44.040 a generation. This is stuff that books and movies will 0:00:44.080 --> 0:00:47.600 be written about. He's at galleryin Ed's in Kentucky, former 0:00:47.640 --> 0:00:50.720 Seal Team six operator, Army ranger and now Trump endorsed 0:00:50.760 --> 0:00:53.240 congressional candidate there in the Commonwealth. 0:00:53.360 --> 0:00:54.440 Ed, how's this morning find you? 0:00:55.440 --> 0:00:57.520 Good morning? Well, it's a little chili od here on 0:00:57.560 --> 0:01:00.200 the farm. So we got a general rule and the 0:01:00.240 --> 0:01:02.600 folks up there in Ohio will second the motion on this. 0:01:02.720 --> 0:01:04.960 You don't put your cover alls up until Derby Day. 0:01:05.200 --> 0:01:06.880 Just keep them right there in the pickup struck and 0:01:06.959 --> 0:01:09.600 we need them this morning. So dreading to the listeners, 0:01:09.600 --> 0:01:11.199 thanks for having me on, Scott, gotcha. 0:01:11.240 --> 0:01:15.200 So it's cover alls, Derby Day, plant flowers, Mother's Day, 0:01:15.200 --> 0:01:17.000 got it? That is the That's the rule of thumb, 0:01:17.000 --> 0:01:18.600 exactly right, that's the rule of thumb. 0:01:18.680 --> 0:01:20.440 Right there. Let's talk about this. 0:01:20.640 --> 0:01:24.160 Both crew ejected and Aran says, hey, we have them 0:01:24.160 --> 0:01:26.560 in custody. You never obviously want to believe that. And 0:01:26.959 --> 0:01:29.560 the timeline is rather interesting. But to walk us through 0:01:29.600 --> 0:01:31.800 what an airman in this case is actually trained to 0:01:31.800 --> 0:01:34.920 do in the seconds after ejecting over hostile territory. 0:01:34.959 --> 0:01:36.000 What's the first priority? 0:01:36.800 --> 0:01:39.280 Hey, well, thank you for the question. And I do 0:01:39.319 --> 0:01:42.360 want to celebrate the forces that got both those great 0:01:42.400 --> 0:01:45.200 Americans out. And here's the lens that I see this, 0:01:45.920 --> 0:01:49.040 right you are. I've served on seven seal teams and 0:01:49.200 --> 0:01:52.080 units that's sort of like a battalion. You know, it's 0:01:52.120 --> 0:01:55.880 a fighting unit. It says not just fixed people. It's 0:01:56.080 --> 0:01:58.760 over two hundred except for Seal Team sick. That's different. 0:01:58.920 --> 0:02:01.080 Won't go into that there twice as the leader, it's 0:02:01.080 --> 0:02:04.520 cloudy classified. But I see this through the lens of 0:02:04.760 --> 0:02:07.720 not only having gone through Navy Feer School, but I 0:02:07.760 --> 0:02:10.640 also went through what's called High Risk SEER. That's a 0:02:10.639 --> 0:02:13.120 whole other level up here in the US, and I'm 0:02:13.160 --> 0:02:16.840 a NATO Combat Survival instructor. And the profile there was 0:02:16.840 --> 0:02:20.680 a course against the Russia, who was very, very highly 0:02:20.720 --> 0:02:23.760 technical skilled to find out our down to air crewman 0:02:23.800 --> 0:02:26.400 if they got shot down in a hostility. So all 0:02:26.440 --> 0:02:28.600 that to say is we got to give credit to 0:02:28.639 --> 0:02:32.360 those aircrews because when they punch out, that aircraft is 0:02:32.440 --> 0:02:36.400 going several hundred miles an hour and they are basically 0:02:36.680 --> 0:02:39.919 shot out by small rocket out of that aircraft into 0:02:39.960 --> 0:02:44.239 the air at a very high altitude, typically not sure 0:02:44.240 --> 0:02:46.440 what profile they were on here, and so it is 0:02:46.480 --> 0:02:49.120 a shock to the system. And many times folks that 0:02:49.200 --> 0:02:52.480 ejected help they'll have lifelong back injury. Now, the key 0:02:52.520 --> 0:02:56.240 thing is mindset, so they have to keep their wits 0:02:56.400 --> 0:02:58.600 about them. Yeah, there's the mechanics that coming out of 0:02:58.600 --> 0:03:02.280 the aircraft flow down on their parachute hitting the ground, 0:03:02.320 --> 0:03:05.040 and again they're not hitting a prepared drop zone. There's 0:03:05.080 --> 0:03:08.120 no telling where they're hitting. So it's a shock to 0:03:08.200 --> 0:03:11.480 the system. All that to say credit to them, because 0:03:11.520 --> 0:03:15.160 the training upstream to have the mindset to keep their 0:03:15.200 --> 0:03:18.080 wisth about them is what helped carry the day because 0:03:18.080 --> 0:03:21.480 they had to hit the ground and follow the tactics, 0:03:21.520 --> 0:03:25.440 techniques and procedures that are established so they could be rescued. 0:03:25.880 --> 0:03:28.320 So Scott, that's sort of a broad overview. 0:03:29.639 --> 0:03:32.360 Okay, And so yeah, I think with Peeli realized, oh 0:03:32.360 --> 0:03:34.440 we jumped out in the parachute. No, that the whole seat, 0:03:34.960 --> 0:03:37.320 part of the inirframe there's attached to You're basically going 0:03:37.360 --> 0:03:40.520 to chair when you land in that thing. I don't 0:03:40.520 --> 0:03:43.800 know if that's does that cause more pain? And do 0:03:43.880 --> 0:03:45.480 they even train for that? I mean, I know that 0:03:45.480 --> 0:03:48.200 they're simulators like I did a thing whereas in the 0:03:48.240 --> 0:03:51.400 dunk tank and they upside down for a helicopter landing water, 0:03:52.480 --> 0:03:53.840 But do they simulate that? 0:03:53.960 --> 0:03:55.040 Is there any way to practice that? 0:03:56.200 --> 0:04:01.000 There's no way to practice the actual truth. I understand 0:04:01.000 --> 0:04:04.000 that the impact on the on the spine is north 0:04:04.040 --> 0:04:07.560 of seven g's. Yeah, and so all that to say 0:04:07.600 --> 0:04:11.160 it many times causes permanent injury, as they have found. 0:04:11.360 --> 0:04:13.080 So now let's talk about when they hit the ground 0:04:13.120 --> 0:04:16.080 and what happens next. If we could. Yeah, Now, what 0:04:16.400 --> 0:04:19.000 I want the listeners to know is long before this, 0:04:19.520 --> 0:04:22.360 there are forces that train equipped and they are literally 0:04:22.400 --> 0:04:25.599 standing by what do we have, like ten thousand plus 0:04:25.640 --> 0:04:29.080 targets we've hit. They're standing by to launch on a 0:04:29.160 --> 0:04:33.200 moment's notice to rescue a down aircrewman while these operations 0:04:33.200 --> 0:04:36.120 are going on. So every flight that's up there, there's 0:04:36.160 --> 0:04:38.440 a force setting there, you know, sort of like a 0:04:38.839 --> 0:04:42.080 you know, a reaction force, and they are watching and 0:04:42.160 --> 0:04:45.240 waiting for the word to go. So once that happened, 0:04:45.240 --> 0:04:48.200 that put into motion. But it's very dynamic because now 0:04:48.240 --> 0:04:51.000 you've got to adjust to the specific threat and there's 0:04:51.040 --> 0:04:54.120 a lot of technicalities that go into place that are 0:04:54.200 --> 0:04:58.200 very classified. But the key is that aircrewman hits the 0:04:58.240 --> 0:05:02.479 ground and he's got to follow the established procedures to 0:05:02.760 --> 0:05:06.920 optimize the probability or we say recover in this case 0:05:06.960 --> 0:05:09.440 because he's not in custody yet that would be a rescue, 0:05:09.720 --> 0:05:13.839 but it's a recovery operation. So there's literally elements within 0:05:13.839 --> 0:05:17.599 the United States Air Force, augmented by other services and 0:05:17.880 --> 0:05:21.400 services and government agencies that do this. It is very 0:05:21.640 --> 0:05:24.840 very sophisticated. In this case, a lot of presses have 0:05:24.880 --> 0:05:27.600 been given that my old unit, STILL Team six was 0:05:28.440 --> 0:05:31.279 selected to be the force on the ground because of 0:05:31.320 --> 0:05:35.680 the threat. So the combat search and rescue element was 0:05:35.920 --> 0:05:39.240 now added to a STILL Team six to be the 0:05:39.320 --> 0:05:42.840 force on the ground to actually get the down to 0:05:42.839 --> 0:05:45.600 air crewmen. In the second case, the one that basically 0:05:45.600 --> 0:05:49.599 evaded for a while four years rescue. So there's some 0:05:49.640 --> 0:05:51.680 pieces that went on there that even talking about in 0:05:51.720 --> 0:05:54.280 the other President want to I don't want to give 0:05:54.279 --> 0:05:57.120 away some of our capabilities to help the enemy. But 0:05:57.600 --> 0:06:00.040 a lot of credit goes to everything that happened and 0:06:00.279 --> 0:06:03.560 upstream in all the development of the United States has 0:06:03.560 --> 0:06:07.680 But in the end it was also decisiveness. The commanders 0:06:07.680 --> 0:06:10.880 on the ground have got to act very quickly. You 0:06:10.960 --> 0:06:13.920 can't get behind on this or the enemy will get 0:06:13.920 --> 0:06:17.040 a hold of you. Because it is a proper danned 0:06:18.200 --> 0:06:23.200 absolute It is a basically a winning day for Iran 0:06:23.320 --> 0:06:24.400 if they were able to get there. 0:06:24.600 --> 0:06:27.160 Sure, look what happened with President Carter, right, I mean 0:06:27.760 --> 0:06:30.480 when your capture, when you shoot down aircraft and capture airman, 0:06:30.960 --> 0:06:32.919 then it becomes a nightmare at this point and the 0:06:32.920 --> 0:06:35.479 optics are terrible, but we pulled a miracle off and 0:06:35.520 --> 0:06:37.719 this is some may say a miracle from this side 0:06:37.720 --> 0:06:39.360 of it, I guess, but in your line of work, Ed, 0:06:39.400 --> 0:06:42.080 when you're a Seal Team six operator, you guys go, 0:06:42.160 --> 0:06:43.839 it's just what we do. Ed gall right on the 0:06:43.839 --> 0:06:46.120 show this morning on Scott's Loan here starting us off 0:06:46.120 --> 0:06:48.240 with some good news about what's happening. And that was 0:06:48.240 --> 0:06:51.719 a crew members shot down on Friday. The second one 0:06:51.880 --> 0:06:54.240 was rescued just a few while I can almost say 0:06:54.240 --> 0:06:57.480 a few hours ago. It feels like it was pretty intense. 0:06:57.720 --> 0:06:59.920 The colonel, by the way, so this is the weapons officer. 0:07:00.320 --> 0:07:03.160 He moved away from his ejection point before he activated 0:07:03.160 --> 0:07:05.960 his rescue beacon and then he hiked I think a 0:07:06.000 --> 0:07:10.440 seven thousand foot ridge line and wedged himself into crevis. 0:07:11.080 --> 0:07:13.200 One of the reasons why we would do that, I guess, 0:07:13.240 --> 0:07:17.720 activating the beacon after you've scaled a seven thousand foot 0:07:17.760 --> 0:07:20.960 climb and then was able to wedge yourself in a 0:07:20.960 --> 0:07:21.920 crevice to hide. 0:07:22.520 --> 0:07:23.640 What are the tactics of that. 0:07:24.560 --> 0:07:29.920 Well, because of the adversary capability, because remember I ran 0:07:30.000 --> 0:07:32.640 as being assisted, as is being told on the press. 0:07:32.680 --> 0:07:35.240 I can't go in any further detail, but it appears 0:07:35.320 --> 0:07:39.400 China and Russia and North three are assisting them. Even 0:07:39.440 --> 0:07:43.480 though those are highly sophisticated beacons tracking devices, you have 0:07:43.560 --> 0:07:47.440 to be worried that the adversary can locate that. So 0:07:47.560 --> 0:07:50.320 getting out of the key thing, back of that mindset. 0:07:50.400 --> 0:07:52.560 As for he went through the shock of ejection, and 0:07:52.600 --> 0:07:55.360 again credit to him and the training that went upstream. 0:07:56.160 --> 0:07:58.880 You know before this ever happened. He's got to get 0:07:58.920 --> 0:08:02.920 out of that area rapidly because the local populace, some 0:08:03.000 --> 0:08:05.520 of them may report it. That's where the Iranian forces 0:08:05.520 --> 0:08:08.080 are going to flow to. So he's got to get moved, 0:08:08.760 --> 0:08:12.080 quit and get out of that particular zone. So to 0:08:12.160 --> 0:08:14.880 make it more difficult. So to your point that beacon 0:08:14.960 --> 0:08:19.000 is going to be based on again tactics, techniques and procedures, 0:08:19.480 --> 0:08:22.880 is it is going to be activated when the circumstances 0:08:22.880 --> 0:08:26.880 are optimal for us to track him and find him 0:08:27.240 --> 0:08:30.920 using all the capabilities of the US military and government agency. 0:08:31.800 --> 0:08:34.920 And something else I want to add here is just 0:08:34.960 --> 0:08:36.880 think about it. To the credit you gave the Field 0:08:36.880 --> 0:08:40.080 Team six and our sister unit Delta, that is not 0:08:40.320 --> 0:08:44.600 regular special operations units in the right term, Scott, thank 0:08:44.600 --> 0:08:47.160 you for using that. This was a special operation, special 0:08:47.200 --> 0:08:50.760 Forces of specifically Screenberry are but this is the element 0:08:50.800 --> 0:08:53.120 went in there. I want the listeners to remember that 0:08:54.520 --> 0:08:57.760 every minute of every hour of every day of every 0:08:57.800 --> 0:09:01.280 week of every month of every year, these units set 0:09:01.320 --> 0:09:04.600 alert to conduct these kind of sensitive activities and operations 0:09:04.640 --> 0:09:07.880 all over the world, and just think about it. They 0:09:07.920 --> 0:09:09.680 do not I know it's going to bust your bubble. 0:09:10.240 --> 0:09:13.680 They do not always make the media, fortunately, and that's 0:09:13.720 --> 0:09:15.480 the world they live in. And I want to give 0:09:15.520 --> 0:09:18.200 you sort of a sort of a framework. They live 0:09:18.240 --> 0:09:22.160 in the world between peace and war, in a gap 0:09:22.200 --> 0:09:25.439 where you're always at war, but it's in the shadows. 0:09:25.720 --> 0:09:28.440 That is not hype, but it's not bravado. It's what 0:09:28.480 --> 0:09:31.160 our nations asked us to do. It is a very 0:09:31.240 --> 0:09:34.960 high commitment that they have and a higher level of performance. 0:09:35.160 --> 0:09:38.080 But there's a lot to celebrate here. It's not just 0:09:38.200 --> 0:09:42.720 guys with guns. These guys are smart. They helped plan 0:09:42.800 --> 0:09:46.600 to conduct this operation and that they prevailed against all 0:09:46.640 --> 0:09:47.920 odds a lot to celebrate. 0:09:48.080 --> 0:09:51.400 Yeah, it was Steal Team six as you mentioned, Delta 0:09:51.400 --> 0:09:53.440 Force and Rangers are on standby for this mission. 0:09:53.960 --> 0:09:55.600 But also we got to credit the CIA. 0:09:55.679 --> 0:09:59.560 They ran a disinformation campaign simultaneously with the military operation. 0:10:00.000 --> 0:10:02.400 How tightly coordinate does it have to be? And and 0:10:02.960 --> 0:10:04.640 how does that? How do you how do you coordinate that? 0:10:04.840 --> 0:10:06.640 And and by the way, with it's not like you 0:10:06.760 --> 0:10:08.320 knew this was going to happen, as they didn't have 0:10:08.320 --> 0:10:10.400 this in their pocket to pull out. I mean, you 0:10:10.440 --> 0:10:12.320 guys planning and you make it up on the fly. 0:10:12.440 --> 0:10:13.600 There's no, there's not much intel. 0:10:13.760 --> 0:10:16.079 No, no, no, no, I want to know. I want 0:10:16.120 --> 0:10:19.680 to slightly No, we had the contingent. We always plan 0:10:19.800 --> 0:10:23.080 in these most dangerous course of action. So right there 0:10:23.200 --> 0:10:25.320 on a dry race board, and I've been there a 0:10:25.400 --> 0:10:28.560 thousand times. We have in these most dangerous course of 0:10:28.600 --> 0:10:33.640 action shot down air crew behind enemy lines, unlocated. We've been, 0:10:33.920 --> 0:10:36.800 isn't We've already got the contingency. We we've got to 0:10:36.840 --> 0:10:39.840 play just like a football team. But the dynamics to 0:10:39.920 --> 0:10:42.880 your point of putting it in play and when it happened, 0:10:43.040 --> 0:10:45.120 because now you've got to adjust there really what's going 0:10:45.160 --> 0:10:47.640 on on the ground, right and you have last stiff 0:10:47.640 --> 0:10:51.600 empowered as opposed to the previous administrations because you time 0:10:51.720 --> 0:10:54.760 is against you. But you know you just mentioned something 0:10:54.800 --> 0:10:58.760 with respect to you know, those particular units, uh, working 0:10:58.840 --> 0:11:02.520 with our I'm gonna just say generally our agency brothers. 0:11:02.800 --> 0:11:05.360 And I'll tell you the best chow at the cafeterias 0:11:05.360 --> 0:11:09.160 in the Washington, DC area is at the CIA headquarters, 0:11:09.200 --> 0:11:11.040 at the food course there. I can vouch for that. 0:11:11.120 --> 0:11:13.160 I can say no more. I can say no more, 0:11:13.200 --> 0:11:15.320 but they have pretty good eating right there. Right. But 0:11:15.320 --> 0:11:17.600 but we worked with them. Remember I just I just 0:11:17.679 --> 0:11:21.440 mentioned there's that band between peace and war. This isn't hype, 0:11:21.520 --> 0:11:26.199 this isn't bravado. It exists. So our nation complete safety 0:11:26.200 --> 0:11:28.920 in their bed at night. We work with our agency 0:11:29.040 --> 0:11:33.640 partners all over the world. It isn't new to us. 0:11:33.880 --> 0:11:36.640 So hats off to the agency. Because you hit, you 0:11:36.720 --> 0:11:39.000 hit a key point. There was a bit of a diversion, 0:11:39.360 --> 0:11:43.160 a distraction. Oh we found him. Now, you remember, Scott. 0:11:43.240 --> 0:11:45.920 I've said on the radio station before, things that are 0:11:45.960 --> 0:11:50.720 not always what they've seen. So purposely we use this 0:11:50.880 --> 0:11:54.800 information and misinformation on the battlefield to confuse our enemies. 0:11:54.960 --> 0:11:57.400 They do the things to us. But you're right, it 0:11:57.559 --> 0:12:00.679 was very clever. It's not just guys with guns that 0:12:00.800 --> 0:12:03.240 show up and do bad things to bad people who 0:12:03.240 --> 0:12:06.440 deserve it. There's a lot of intellectual activity. That's what 0:12:06.480 --> 0:12:08.360 I'll say about Steal Team six and Delta. 0:12:08.640 --> 0:12:12.800 Those guys are smart at Gal Ryan take us to 0:12:12.880 --> 0:12:16.240 the pilot's perceptive thirty six hours he's injured by the way, 0:12:16.480 --> 0:12:19.040 hikes to a seven thousand foot ridge line, wedges in 0:12:19.040 --> 0:12:22.880 a crevice of automates, his beacon. What is a pilot 0:12:22.920 --> 0:12:25.560 carrying on him or her at that time? What equipment 0:12:25.600 --> 0:12:27.319 that they have ready to go on their person? And 0:12:27.640 --> 0:12:28.600 how long can they survive? 0:12:29.440 --> 0:12:32.120 He great question the listeners can basically do you know 0:12:32.160 --> 0:12:37.160 a quick search of normal Air Force aircrew combat equipment 0:12:37.360 --> 0:12:40.240 survival VEST He's going to have his deacon. He's going 0:12:40.320 --> 0:12:43.600 to have his pistol. He's going to have fire starting equipment. 0:12:43.640 --> 0:12:49.839 He's gonna have also the ability to catch game if necessary, 0:12:49.880 --> 0:12:52.559 if it's a long term survival. He's going to have 0:12:52.800 --> 0:12:56.360 signaling devices some that I can't go into that are 0:12:56.840 --> 0:13:00.000 classified with respect to can only be seen with certain 0:13:00.080 --> 0:13:02.640 the source of optics. So that VEST is going to 0:13:02.720 --> 0:13:06.480 be under all his other equipment. But he's the key 0:13:06.559 --> 0:13:11.400 thing I want to emphasize here is his mindset of maturity. 0:13:11.920 --> 0:13:15.160 That in his mindset, it's like running a football player 0:13:15.280 --> 0:13:17.920 taking that three point shot. He's got to have the 0:13:17.960 --> 0:13:20.880 ability to act because what we've seen in the past 0:13:20.920 --> 0:13:23.640 is is they get on the ground, they get disoriented, 0:13:24.000 --> 0:13:28.400 they you know, they become overcome by the dramatic impact 0:13:28.440 --> 0:13:31.720 of the ejection. So credit to him. And also I 0:13:31.760 --> 0:13:33.560 want to point out I don't know if he's a 0:13:33.559 --> 0:13:37.280 full bird colonel, not likely, probably a lieutenant colonel. At 0:13:37.320 --> 0:13:40.920 his senior leadership level he was. Probably he might have 0:13:40.960 --> 0:13:45.160 been the squadron commander or the number two. He would 0:13:45.160 --> 0:13:47.760 have been a gold mine for the operations that have 0:13:47.880 --> 0:13:52.319 gotten this, not only for propaganda, but the interrogation he 0:13:52.360 --> 0:13:54.559 would have gone through to try to get, you know, 0:13:54.640 --> 0:13:57.840 capabilities that the US has. Because a good thing to 0:13:57.880 --> 0:14:01.199 celebrate here for the listeners. We are fighting a twenty 0:14:01.400 --> 0:14:05.520 first century plus war. The key thing about what's going 0:14:05.559 --> 0:14:07.360 on in Iran, in addition to taking one of the 0:14:07.360 --> 0:14:10.360 full horsemen of apocalypse off the table and their ability 0:14:10.400 --> 0:14:13.400 to get a nuclear weapon, i e. The Aatola was 0:14:13.480 --> 0:14:17.240 a suicide bomber looking for a new full stop. Having 0:14:17.240 --> 0:14:20.400 said that is we're pushing to turn poker chips back 0:14:20.440 --> 0:14:25.520 on the table with China, with Russia and with North Korea. 0:14:25.640 --> 0:14:28.840 That is one of the major outcomes of what's going 0:14:28.880 --> 0:14:32.160 on in Iran. And again we're north of ten thousand 0:14:32.200 --> 0:14:35.240 targets hit. I mean, just this is the likelihood of 0:14:35.280 --> 0:14:38.920 a bird strike when you start doing the statistical probabilities 0:14:38.920 --> 0:14:40.480 of what it could occur. When you have that many 0:14:40.520 --> 0:14:44.720 aircraft lyne and that many capabilities puts you at risk. 0:14:44.920 --> 0:14:48.440 So a lot to celebrate here in our great nation 0:14:48.720 --> 0:14:52.120 this week as a crew as the recovered, but continue 0:14:52.160 --> 0:14:55.240 to pray for them. They're in harms way and they 0:14:55.240 --> 0:14:59.240 are doing things to make our nation safer as a 0:14:59.280 --> 0:15:02.000 result of these Operation Scott, thank you. Yeah. 0:15:02.040 --> 0:15:04.240 I think one of the one of the more fascinating 0:15:04.280 --> 0:15:07.320 things to me at Gal Ryan is that they launched 0:15:07.320 --> 0:15:11.040 this rescue operation launch from a airstrip twenty five miles 0:15:11.040 --> 0:15:15.160 inside of Iran. That was, as you mentioned, preposition for contingencies. 0:15:15.320 --> 0:15:15.720 How's that? 0:15:15.760 --> 0:15:17.680 How longs take something like that, then asset like that 0:15:17.720 --> 0:15:20.480 to develop and there could only be not that many 0:15:20.520 --> 0:15:22.920 people know it exists, and certainly not the Iranians. 0:15:23.640 --> 0:15:26.560 Well again I can't I won't divullete anything classified, but 0:15:26.760 --> 0:15:28.480 I want you to think about it like a football 0:15:28.480 --> 0:15:31.400 team and they've got Hey, we've got this one. Hell 0:15:31.440 --> 0:15:35.080 Mary path, we're going to practice that, practice that practice it. 0:15:35.360 --> 0:15:37.760 We're not exactly sure what yard line will be on, 0:15:38.120 --> 0:15:40.800 We're not exactly sure of the weather conditions, we're not 0:15:40.920 --> 0:15:44.040 exactly sure the defense they'll be running. But here's our 0:15:44.200 --> 0:15:47.680 base play. So you have the base play and I'm 0:15:47.680 --> 0:15:49.600 sure that makes sense to you, or like the three 0:15:49.640 --> 0:15:52.520 point shots from the corn, You've got your base play, 0:15:52.600 --> 0:15:55.200 but you make some final adjustments right there at the 0:15:55.280 --> 0:15:58.320 last puddle and then out you go. But what this 0:15:58.520 --> 0:16:04.600 relies on is is the is the intellectual ability of 0:16:04.680 --> 0:16:07.720 these warriors to do this. And I'll say it again, Yeah, 0:16:07.760 --> 0:16:10.280 these guys are good in the weight rooms. Yeah they can. 0:16:10.320 --> 0:16:12.960 They can run fast, they can swim far, and they're 0:16:13.080 --> 0:16:17.320 very strong and sit. But their mindset and their intelligence 0:16:17.920 --> 0:16:20.440 is what carries the day because you got to keep 0:16:20.440 --> 0:16:22.240 your wits about this. Does that make sense? 0:16:22.320 --> 0:16:23.160 Yeah, yeah totally. 0:16:23.160 --> 0:16:25.320 I mean, you know, we tend to get tunnel vision 0:16:25.400 --> 0:16:27.880 and are you know, breathe differently and our heart race 0:16:27.960 --> 0:16:30.480 is under pressure and yeah, if you're at that level 0:16:30.480 --> 0:16:32.240 of elite operator, you've got to be able to control 0:16:32.280 --> 0:16:34.320 all that stuff. The President called this one of the 0:16:34.320 --> 0:16:37.080 most daring rescue operations in US history. You've done this 0:16:37.160 --> 0:16:39.800 in real time, Ed Gail Ryan, how far up the 0:16:39.840 --> 0:16:40.720 list is a rank. 0:16:42.040 --> 0:16:43.440 Or it'll be It'll be way up there. When the 0:16:43.440 --> 0:16:46.080 books and movies coming about about this, it's going to 0:16:46.120 --> 0:16:50.720 be a patriotic explosion because of all the things that 0:16:50.840 --> 0:16:54.240 had to happen, because there's there's so many unknowns in this. 0:16:54.360 --> 0:16:58.680 And you're exactly right. I spent my career planning these 0:16:58.720 --> 0:17:02.080 contingencies and conduct in what you would call very sensitive activity, 0:17:02.720 --> 0:17:06.360 not exactly like this, but the same kind of high stakes, 0:17:06.480 --> 0:17:10.320 high risk scenarios in that band between peace and war 0:17:10.359 --> 0:17:12.520 where you're at war all the time, when you're at 0:17:12.560 --> 0:17:15.800 steelt six or Delta or some other select units and 0:17:15.880 --> 0:17:19.040 activities in our nation so we can stay safe. Oh, 0:17:19.080 --> 0:17:21.600 it'll be very high up there, and it's going to 0:17:21.680 --> 0:17:24.880 be jaw dropping. It is going to be absolutely jaw dropping. 0:17:25.160 --> 0:17:26.679 And this is going to be one of the families 0:17:26.680 --> 0:17:29.000 you're gonna want it to go to. And I guarantee 0:17:29.040 --> 0:17:32.760 you it will increase recruiting for both officer and listed. Again, 0:17:32.880 --> 0:17:34.600 one of this movie in this book comes out. 0:17:34.720 --> 0:17:35.919 Guarantee, Yeah, I get it. 0:17:36.480 --> 0:17:39.240 Ed gl Ryan running against Thomas Massey in Kentucky for 0:17:39.280 --> 0:17:41.640 that concresial seat with some of the most bizarre ads 0:17:41.640 --> 0:17:44.720 I've ever seen. Talk about a disinformation campaign. Ed, you 0:17:44.840 --> 0:17:47.320 just laid out killing the enemies and airstrikes and everything. 0:17:47.320 --> 0:17:48.480 You don't sound very woke. 0:17:49.760 --> 0:17:54.400 Well, I'll say you that the veteran community has basically 0:17:54.400 --> 0:17:57.359 told me, I guess I should have got three Bronze 0:17:57.400 --> 0:18:01.440 Star medals and two combat jump badges with bronze stars 0:18:01.480 --> 0:18:03.600 based on that ai AD he's running that. 0:18:03.640 --> 0:18:08.680 I've got lack of courage running all veterans for clarity, 0:18:08.800 --> 0:18:12.960 It is an insult that anyone has put their life 0:18:13.000 --> 0:18:16.199 on the line to include leading others in combat. So 0:18:16.320 --> 0:18:18.960 all that to say, that's all the Liz Cheney of 0:18:19.000 --> 0:18:24.200 Kentucky has after fourteen years in Congress, That's all he 0:18:24.400 --> 0:18:29.000 has is an ai AD to attack the only retired 0:18:29.119 --> 0:18:33.040 Navy seal officer that serves our nation on seven seal 0:18:33.080 --> 0:18:35.800 teams in units to include White the Steal Team six. 0:18:36.359 --> 0:18:39.360 So all that's to say, his desperation is only exceeded 0:18:39.359 --> 0:18:42.280 by this honesty. And again it's an insult to anyone 0:18:42.320 --> 0:18:42.720 to serve. 0:18:43.280 --> 0:18:46.320 He is Ed Gollryan seeking your vote for this Congressional 0:18:46.400 --> 0:18:50.320 race and the Commonwealth Retired Seal Team six Army Ranger 0:18:50.359 --> 0:18:53.080 and could go on for probably another five to ten 0:18:53.119 --> 0:18:56.120 minutes about all the awards and decorations he received serve 0:18:56.200 --> 0:18:58.440 our country honorably. Ed, thanks for jumping on the show 0:18:58.480 --> 0:19:02.520 and laying this out this morning. It's absolutely fascinating and 0:19:03.200 --> 0:19:05.560 some good news finally in a world it seems like 0:19:05.720 --> 0:19:07.720 we're lacking good news, all the best and good luck. 0:19:08.680 --> 0:19:10.360 Yes, thank you so much. I gotta get some farm 0:19:10.400 --> 0:19:10.880 work done. 0:19:11.000 --> 0:19:12.560 Thank you to the listeners, God bless them. 0:19:12.920 --> 0:19:14.879 Yes, sir, thank you, Ed, appreciate it. Let me get 0:19:14.960 --> 0:19:16.919 news in the picture here in just seconds. It's going 0:19:16.960 --> 0:19:18.920 to be a hell of a movie. Can't wait for 0:19:18.960 --> 0:19:21.520 it be on Netflix at about two hours seven hundred WLW. 0:19:23.600 --> 0:19:23.800 Yeah. 0:19:23.840 --> 0:19:26.360 See, not all bad news this weekend. Regardless of where 0:19:26.400 --> 0:19:30.000 you stand on what's happening in Iran. We'll take the 0:19:30.080 --> 0:19:32.800 victory lap on rescuing a couple of our airmen out 0:19:32.800 --> 0:19:33.200 there right on. 0:19:33.359 --> 0:19:33.840 That's awesome. 0:19:33.880 --> 0:19:35.440 And thanks again to Ed Gaal Ryan for chump on 0:19:35.520 --> 0:19:37.680 the show and giving his unique perspective on that, having 0:19:37.760 --> 0:19:41.560 been in that position before as a rescuer. For sure, 0:19:41.680 --> 0:19:45.120 President Trump is threatening to attack the power plants now 0:19:45.119 --> 0:19:47.600 in Iran their bridges as well, and this could drop 0:19:47.640 --> 0:19:51.080 on Tuesday about one o'clock ish. He is expected to 0:19:51.119 --> 0:19:54.720 speak from inside then, I don't think it's even inside 0:19:54.760 --> 0:19:57.240 the oval. It maybe from the situation room, I believe. 0:19:57.280 --> 0:20:00.560 But following the profanity filled post on US social media 0:20:00.600 --> 0:20:03.520 platform yesterday, he said, you're going to be living in 0:20:03.560 --> 0:20:05.880 hell if you don't open up the straight of Hord moves. 0:20:05.920 --> 0:20:09.440 Although we've heard those instant threats before, but they've been 0:20:09.480 --> 0:20:12.560 backed off somewhat, So things could change in the coming 0:20:12.640 --> 0:20:15.119 day for sure. Is this thing about to get worse 0:20:15.600 --> 0:20:17.600 before it gets better in the Middle East? That is 0:20:17.600 --> 0:20:20.560 the big question. That's the big question right now. Anyway, 0:20:21.920 --> 0:20:24.360 what else we had? The Moon mission happening hard miss too. 0:20:24.359 --> 0:20:27.280 The Orion capsule felt the gravitational pull the Moon for 0:20:27.320 --> 0:20:32.159 the first time since what they launched on Wednesday, and 0:20:32.480 --> 0:20:35.000 they're now under the influence of the Moon. I'm under 0:20:35.040 --> 0:20:37.399 the influence of something not probably not the Moon, but 0:20:38.200 --> 0:20:40.919 the four member crew is for sure first time in 0:20:40.960 --> 0:20:44.240 more than a half century that we have circled the Moon, 0:20:44.560 --> 0:20:47.080 the Earth's largest satellite. Since that would have been nineteen 0:20:47.200 --> 0:20:50.240 seventy two last time we did that, and then later 0:20:50.280 --> 0:20:53.320 today it's the dark side of the moon. So queue 0:20:53.400 --> 0:20:55.520 up the pink Floyd if you will have that in 0:20:55.640 --> 0:20:59.359 que and they will lose communication with Orion for about 0:20:59.400 --> 0:21:02.240 forty minutes. Is Artemis two cruises around the dark side 0:21:02.240 --> 0:21:06.160 of the moon, and who knows what they'll see. So 0:21:06.160 --> 0:21:09.359 so far, so good when it comes to Artemis rescue 0:21:09.400 --> 0:21:13.239 of American airmen and we have some good news. Head, 0:21:13.280 --> 0:21:14.600 I'll give you the third one, and that would be 0:21:14.640 --> 0:21:17.119 the Red Legs. How about that? The Red Legs this 0:21:17.160 --> 0:21:20.479 weekend in a sweep. And now at the receiving end 0:21:20.480 --> 0:21:24.720 and the giving end at Arlington against the Texas Rangers, 0:21:25.520 --> 0:21:29.520 Brady Singer saw five solidings on Friday. Rhett Lauder was 0:21:29.600 --> 0:21:32.160 filthy on Saturday, and then he said, well, we'll see 0:21:32.200 --> 0:21:34.400 what happened. Chase Burns comes in and he turned out 0:21:34.400 --> 0:21:36.200 to be the best start of the weekend. Six innings, nine 0:21:36.280 --> 0:21:38.960 ks and I ha think one run allowed in that too, 0:21:39.040 --> 0:21:41.320 And so that's three in a row, baby, And off 0:21:41.359 --> 0:21:44.240 to Miami tonight on the Home of the Red seven 0:21:44.320 --> 0:21:47.119 hundred wa editor where they have a four game sets 0:21:47.880 --> 0:21:51.199 and getting out of there on Thursday. And that's a 0:21:51.280 --> 0:21:53.359 much better team than Mimmy's been in a long time 0:21:53.400 --> 0:21:55.760 for sure. And I guess you know, first time McCord 0:21:55.680 --> 0:21:58.280 I heard in the seg seg this morning said, first 0:21:58.280 --> 0:22:01.040 time since two thousand and one the Reds have opened 0:22:01.600 --> 0:22:04.359 the season with this kind of record. Pretty damn good, 0:22:04.680 --> 0:22:07.439 Pretty damn good for our red Legs. What six and 0:22:07.440 --> 0:22:09.399 three right now? So I haven't done that in a 0:22:09.440 --> 0:22:12.040 long time. Hopefully it's a sign that the good things 0:22:12.040 --> 0:22:14.120 to come, also sign of good things. 0:22:14.119 --> 0:22:16.720 How was your Easter? You have a good Easter? Easter? 0:22:16.760 --> 0:22:19.200 Egg hunt? Did you eat food? Did you have the buffet? 0:22:19.720 --> 0:22:22.080 I think when it comes to food holidays, Easter is 0:22:23.400 --> 0:22:25.560 not my favorite. I mean, I like ham, don't get 0:22:25.560 --> 0:22:30.240 me wrong. In Chocolate's just time it's o candies. Okay, 0:22:30.440 --> 0:22:32.560 it's more for the kids. It's about the kids. But 0:22:32.600 --> 0:22:35.679 you can say about Christmas too, It's not like the 0:22:35.680 --> 0:22:39.320 biggest food holiday. I think, not then Fourth of July 0:22:39.359 --> 0:22:41.240 as a who's not down for a barbecue? 0:22:41.280 --> 0:22:41.480 Right? 0:22:42.600 --> 0:22:46.959 I will say this for sure, though the Cincinnati Archdiocese is, 0:22:47.400 --> 0:22:51.920 and rightly so, blowing their own horn and saying they've 0:22:52.000 --> 0:22:55.760 experienced a significant surge in the number of people going 0:22:55.800 --> 0:22:58.680 back to Mass. Last year, over a thousand people joined 0:22:58.720 --> 0:23:01.679 the church US, the highest number year over year if 0:23:01.680 --> 0:23:03.639 we've had in fifteen years, So it's about a twenty 0:23:03.680 --> 0:23:06.399 eight percent increase. And it's a growing trend of new 0:23:06.440 --> 0:23:09.159 members and returning Catholics, and not just in Catholism, but 0:23:09.240 --> 0:23:13.600 other religions as well, that they're seeing a surgeon a 0:23:13.680 --> 0:23:16.080 number of people who are rejoining the church or joined 0:23:16.080 --> 0:23:17.480 the church at the first time, because the number of 0:23:17.480 --> 0:23:20.760 those folks are gen zers that are getting into it 0:23:20.800 --> 0:23:23.240 for the first time. And so the arichsdioces is leaning 0:23:23.280 --> 0:23:26.000 into that. I believe in the State of the Union, 0:23:26.040 --> 0:23:29.800 Trump said there's a tremendous renewal in religion, and that's 0:23:29.800 --> 0:23:32.440 the narrative. The question, though, is not that we know 0:23:32.560 --> 0:23:34.880 we're going to take the wind out of the sales here, 0:23:34.920 --> 0:23:36.720 but does the data back it up. And the answer 0:23:36.760 --> 0:23:40.960 to that though is maybe to not quite so. Certainly, 0:23:41.000 --> 0:23:43.840 after decades of decline, people have stopped leaving the churches, 0:23:44.440 --> 0:23:47.160 and you can say secularization is on pause at this point. 0:23:47.200 --> 0:23:51.120 But the share of religiously unaffiliated Americans have dropped three 0:23:51.160 --> 0:23:53.440 years in a row. So that's pretty significant in my opinion. 0:23:54.000 --> 0:23:58.680 People are choosing sides now. But what's happening in reality 0:23:58.760 --> 0:24:01.320 is we're starting to see the it'll move the other way, 0:24:01.400 --> 0:24:06.600 and this is the first indication of that. But it's 0:24:06.640 --> 0:24:08.680 it's basically at this point, the numbers show it's stopping 0:24:08.760 --> 0:24:11.199 the bleed. It's not quite a revival yet. It's not 0:24:11.280 --> 0:24:13.000 like a huge spike in attendants. Yeah, the numbers are 0:24:13.000 --> 0:24:16.360 going back the other way. But to say religion is back, well, 0:24:16.400 --> 0:24:18.159 it's going to take a long time because you literally 0:24:18.160 --> 0:24:20.440 lost millions and millions of people and it's gonna take 0:24:20.440 --> 0:24:22.080 a long time to get those numbers back to the 0:24:22.119 --> 0:24:25.520 point where about forty million Americans have left church over 0:24:25.520 --> 0:24:27.840 the last several decades. You're not gonna get forty million 0:24:27.880 --> 0:24:31.439 back overnight. But you know, stopping the bleed is certainly 0:24:31.480 --> 0:24:33.720 a good start, I believe, and reversing that's going to 0:24:34.040 --> 0:24:36.920 require identity change and new habits and new community. That's 0:24:36.920 --> 0:24:41.800 going to take time because Christians are eager to reclaim 0:24:41.920 --> 0:24:45.199 the cultural status after losing ground and feeling like they're outsiders, 0:24:45.200 --> 0:24:47.119 even though not really they're really not. But it's a 0:24:47.119 --> 0:24:49.119 good political move and you know, if you feel like 0:24:49.160 --> 0:24:52.800 your religion is under attack from the left in this case, 0:24:52.840 --> 0:24:55.040 then you're going to use that ammunition as well. You should, 0:24:56.400 --> 0:24:59.560 and that's really useful for Republicans who really put their 0:24:59.600 --> 0:25:02.120 stake there brand identity on Christian identity is what they are. 0:25:02.800 --> 0:25:04.000 And you just said, well, you just sert an ad 0:25:04.119 --> 0:25:06.280 for a Virginia Schmidt. You can't run as a Republican 0:25:07.160 --> 0:25:10.080 in these areas without mentioning that. You know, you got 0:25:10.080 --> 0:25:11.600 to include God and there you just have to. That's 0:25:11.600 --> 0:25:14.439 part of gods and guns, right, and people are searching 0:25:14.520 --> 0:25:17.240 for meeting, but you know, the curiosity doesn't equal conversion. 0:25:17.280 --> 0:25:20.000 Are not quite there yet because you know, you got 0:25:20.040 --> 0:25:21.720 to look at the reasons why people left church in 0:25:21.720 --> 0:25:25.560 the first place. Is the most commonly cited reason in 0:25:25.640 --> 0:25:29.080 the research and the data, people stop believing in religion's teachings. 0:25:29.840 --> 0:25:32.160 That measured about forty six percent of the people who 0:25:32.200 --> 0:25:35.560 decided to leave church. Another thirty eight percent says it 0:25:35.560 --> 0:25:38.000 wasn't important in our life or they simply just drifted away. 0:25:39.200 --> 0:25:41.320 And I've said for a long time as recovering Catholic, 0:25:41.359 --> 0:25:43.239 that the Catholic Church left me. It wasn't the other 0:25:43.280 --> 0:25:45.680 way around. I couldn't identify with it anymore. I'm not 0:25:45.760 --> 0:25:49.560 quite sure what we're doing over here. The most compelling 0:25:49.640 --> 0:25:51.960 structural explanation of this whole thing is, you know, we 0:25:52.000 --> 0:25:55.800 have more blended families, we have more interfaith families, we 0:25:55.920 --> 0:25:59.480 have more single parent households, and as that became more common, 0:26:00.359 --> 0:26:02.119 you know that that religious what do you want to 0:26:02.119 --> 0:26:04.320 call a transmission kind of broke down. 0:26:06.000 --> 0:26:07.560 Seven out of ten young. 0:26:07.320 --> 0:26:10.680 Adults who were disaffiliated share their religious identity during their 0:26:10.680 --> 0:26:13.440 teen years. And that's probably pretty typical because you move 0:26:13.480 --> 0:26:15.680 away and are you going to church every Sunday? I 0:26:15.720 --> 0:26:18.360 mean some are, but let's face it, once you leave, 0:26:18.359 --> 0:26:19.920 it's like I don't have to go to church anymore. 0:26:20.080 --> 0:26:22.480 And how many people did that to appease their parents 0:26:23.000 --> 0:26:24.800 and then say, well, no one's looking up my shoulder. 0:26:24.800 --> 0:26:26.199 Now I can do what I want, and that eventually 0:26:26.280 --> 0:26:29.359 what happens is you get back in the church. That's 0:26:29.400 --> 0:26:32.040 the overwhelming majority of people, not all of them, for sure, 0:26:34.000 --> 0:26:36.399 But also I think part of the problem here is 0:26:36.440 --> 0:26:42.080 when younger left leading progressive Americans were shown examples of 0:26:42.080 --> 0:26:45.800 politicians maybe making Christian national statements, or you know, pastors 0:26:45.880 --> 0:26:50.480 endorsing conservative candidates that caused them to disaffiliate, and that 0:26:50.600 --> 0:26:52.600 then they change our view to literally nothing at that 0:26:52.640 --> 0:26:55.320 point because politics boys in the weld, and you could 0:26:55.320 --> 0:26:57.560 see that because politics is For a long time it was, 0:26:57.600 --> 0:26:59.959 you know, religion politics kind of stood apart from each other. 0:27:00.240 --> 0:27:03.360 But starting in the nineteen seventies, we start to sell 0:27:03.400 --> 0:27:05.400 those lines blur more to the point right now where 0:27:05.800 --> 0:27:07.880 I mean, how long ago would have it been where 0:27:07.920 --> 0:27:10.480 the president issues a statement and then this case was 0:27:10.480 --> 0:27:14.879 on true social but drops the F bomb about Iran 0:27:14.920 --> 0:27:15.760 on Easter Sunday. 0:27:15.760 --> 0:27:17.080 I mean, it wasn't that long ago. 0:27:17.200 --> 0:27:21.000 It certainly was in my lifetime, in my adult lifetime, 0:27:21.040 --> 0:27:23.440 where that would have caused a significant amount of outrage. 0:27:23.440 --> 0:27:26.359 And I would say, you know, if this were a 0:27:26.480 --> 0:27:29.720 Democrat and they dropped the F bomb on Easter Sunday, 0:27:29.760 --> 0:27:33.600 I'm sure Republicans would be using that against them. Against 0:27:33.640 --> 0:27:36.200 Republicans for sure, they'd go, well, hold on just a second, here, 0:27:36.320 --> 0:27:40.000 can you drop the F bomb on Easter Sunday? But 0:27:40.480 --> 0:27:43.679 because politics poisoned well and we saw this during the campaign, 0:27:43.720 --> 0:27:46.360 no other things that popped up that Christian considers kind 0:27:46.359 --> 0:27:48.639 of turned a blind eye towards that, and that's just 0:27:48.920 --> 0:27:51.560 that's just not conservatives that do that. I mean liberal 0:27:51.760 --> 0:27:56.560 progressives do that all the time as well. Roughly two 0:27:56.640 --> 0:27:59.560 out of ten said the clergy sexual scandal's reason for leaving, 0:27:59.600 --> 0:28:01.400 And I think the it's fading too as they get 0:28:01.400 --> 0:28:02.280 better at managing that. 0:28:02.400 --> 0:28:02.560 Now. 0:28:02.560 --> 0:28:05.360 You do hear stories from on the globe where that's 0:28:05.359 --> 0:28:09.800 still popping up, but largely it's it's cases from back 0:28:09.800 --> 0:28:11.520 in the fifties through maybe the eighties. 0:28:12.040 --> 0:28:13.280 I mean, it's older cases. 0:28:13.320 --> 0:28:17.720 And should you prosecute those and try to make the 0:28:17.800 --> 0:28:20.920 victims hold again if they're still alive, Yeah, absolutely, hundred percent. 0:28:21.560 --> 0:28:23.520 But you know, is it happening right now? 0:28:23.680 --> 0:28:23.840 Now? 0:28:23.840 --> 0:28:26.639 There's some isolated cases where it might be going on, 0:28:26.720 --> 0:28:31.200 and we keep citing isolated cases, and if that's keeping away, 0:28:31.200 --> 0:28:31.880 it's keeping away. 0:28:31.920 --> 0:28:32.280 I get that. 0:28:32.320 --> 0:28:34.840 But we're seeing less people affected by the scandals because 0:28:34.840 --> 0:28:36.719 that looks more in the rear view mirror. Women, though, 0:28:36.720 --> 0:28:39.160 were twice as likely as men to cite negative religious 0:28:39.160 --> 0:28:41.640 teachings about gay and lesbians as the reason why they 0:28:41.720 --> 0:28:44.200 left their home too in a church. And you know, 0:28:44.240 --> 0:28:47.320 the other reason why Americans left religion is much of 0:28:47.320 --> 0:28:50.240 what they provided. And you think about it, it's been 0:28:50.280 --> 0:28:53.200 said that church and more true today than every befar. 0:28:53.280 --> 0:28:54.880 But church was like kind of like a country club. 0:28:54.920 --> 0:28:57.240 It was a club. It was a clubhouse. You think 0:28:57.240 --> 0:28:59.120 about neighborhoods, You think about where I came up, or 0:28:59.160 --> 0:29:01.960 maybe you came up, and not maybe not even me, 0:29:02.080 --> 0:29:05.400 but probably my grandparents are my great grade parents. You know, 0:29:05.400 --> 0:29:08.880 you emigrate to America and okay, so you have an 0:29:08.920 --> 0:29:12.080 Italian or you have an Irish Catholic church. Now you 0:29:12.080 --> 0:29:16.240 have a Latin church. There were the masses in Spanish. 0:29:16.640 --> 0:29:19.680 That brings you together because you're speaking and sharing the 0:29:19.720 --> 0:29:23.800 same language and cultures. And so you've got education, you've 0:29:23.840 --> 0:29:27.040 got counseling, you got support if you're needy, you got 0:29:27.080 --> 0:29:31.760 your your entertainment explanation for how the world works. Basically, 0:29:31.840 --> 0:29:35.800 the church was the Internet not that long ago. You know, 0:29:35.880 --> 0:29:38.200 you show up and that's where people would collect and go, Okay, 0:29:38.480 --> 0:29:40.640 you're making sense of the world. You're telling me how 0:29:40.680 --> 0:29:43.560 stuff works, why the world works, and why things are. 0:29:43.720 --> 0:29:47.120 We would never question that. And that's not provided by 0:29:47.160 --> 0:29:49.600 the state. It's provided by the market. It's provided by 0:29:49.600 --> 0:29:52.720 our phones, it's provided to our computers. And church just 0:29:52.760 --> 0:29:56.520 became an optional suburban activity basically what that was. And 0:29:56.560 --> 0:29:58.920 when it came to younger people replacing the older people, 0:29:58.960 --> 0:30:01.920 it just simply is not happened. Opening and church membership 0:30:02.040 --> 0:30:05.520 correlates with age. The oldest Americans belong to church. I 0:30:05.520 --> 0:30:08.880 think like almost well two thirds of older people belong 0:30:08.960 --> 0:30:12.040 to church and a third of millennials do and gen 0:30:12.120 --> 0:30:16.760 zers now even less. And I think also, whether we 0:30:16.880 --> 0:30:19.880 like it or not, that integration, the melting bout that's America. 0:30:20.840 --> 0:30:23.560 I think you saw diverse neighborhoods and schools and people 0:30:23.600 --> 0:30:26.000 are you know, we're commingling more than ever before, and 0:30:26.040 --> 0:30:28.120 we start to have a better understanding as opposed to 0:30:28.200 --> 0:30:30.320 looking at people like they've got three heads either now 0:30:30.320 --> 0:30:32.840 your neighbors or co workers or whoever it might be, 0:30:32.880 --> 0:30:35.160 and you tend to maybe be a little more open 0:30:35.160 --> 0:30:36.960 of things like that. But I mean the bottom, it's 0:30:36.960 --> 0:30:39.440 good news for the church this past each for Sunday 0:30:39.480 --> 0:30:41.360 and the church taking a victory lap as well they 0:30:41.360 --> 0:30:44.600 should here Insincantia, especially because they had over a thousand 0:30:44.600 --> 0:30:46.640 people joined the church in last year and that's the 0:30:46.720 --> 0:30:49.360 biggest number we have seen an over fifteen years, so 0:30:49.400 --> 0:30:52.120 a decade and a half and that's roughly a twenty 0:30:52.120 --> 0:30:55.320 eight percent increase. Is it starting to swing or seeing 0:30:55.320 --> 0:30:58.400 this huge increase in people embracing religion? No, not yet, 0:30:58.440 --> 0:31:01.040 but this is how you get there, sure, This is 0:31:01.080 --> 0:31:04.520 how you get there, for sure. So that's anyway the 0:31:04.560 --> 0:31:06.680 kind of the perspective on where things stand right now 0:31:07.080 --> 0:31:09.040 this past Easter Sunday. So you might even have a 0:31:09.120 --> 0:31:11.120 thousand or two thousand more in the pews next week, 0:31:11.160 --> 0:31:13.040 which is good because the number of churches are closing 0:31:13.360 --> 0:31:15.680 for that very reason. So that may stop the bleeding. 0:31:15.920 --> 0:31:17.280 And you hate to see on some of these old 0:31:17.280 --> 0:31:19.280 parishes that were not that many people a show up 0:31:19.320 --> 0:31:22.480 their combining parishes and you know, making them the whatever 0:31:22.480 --> 0:31:24.560 they call them the family. I forgot what the term 0:31:24.640 --> 0:31:27.760 that the archdiocese is using for that. But nonetheless, that 0:31:27.760 --> 0:31:30.239 may stop churches from closing, which is good news. But 0:31:30.240 --> 0:31:32.080 there are a lot of suburban churches that are just 0:31:32.120 --> 0:31:34.720 going gangbusters right now and have been for a long 0:31:34.760 --> 0:31:37.160 time because that's where people are living, not so much 0:31:37.160 --> 0:31:37.720 in the city. 0:31:38.120 --> 0:31:38.600 I get that. 0:31:38.600 --> 0:31:40.680 We've got news coming up at about nine minutes here 0:31:41.080 --> 0:31:43.840 on the Scott Sloan Show on seven hundred w WELW 0:31:44.000 --> 0:31:45.240 at ten oh six. 0:31:45.360 --> 0:31:47.640 Eric O'Neill is here. This is really interesting because you know, 0:31:47.640 --> 0:31:49.719 I like the tech stuff. Have you? 0:31:49.800 --> 0:31:51.400 I mentioned this with that Gal Ryan who's on at 0:31:51.440 --> 0:31:53.480 nine or seventy missed. It was absolutely fascinating. Who was 0:31:53.560 --> 0:31:58.880 laying out being a Seal Team six operator and commander 0:31:59.400 --> 0:32:01.560 a few times swell as a US Army ranger, a 0:32:01.600 --> 0:32:03.840 whole bunch of other top secret stuff. Ed was laying 0:32:03.840 --> 0:32:06.280 out how they rescued these pilots and what that looked like, 0:32:07.600 --> 0:32:10.080 which is just fascinating to hear him tell the war stories. 0:32:12.400 --> 0:32:14.960 But did you see the campaign ad Ed gaalran is 0:32:15.040 --> 0:32:17.880 receiving it from Thomas Massey. I like Tom mass I mean, 0:32:18.120 --> 0:32:20.280 you know, he's he's not going to toe the company line. 0:32:20.320 --> 0:32:20.560 I like. 0:32:20.680 --> 0:32:24.960 I like contrarians like that a little more libertarian. And 0:32:25.400 --> 0:32:29.720 the campaign ad shows Donald Trump and Ed Galleran in 0:32:29.760 --> 0:32:33.200 a foxhole. I guess he was a US Simmy rangers 0:32:33.200 --> 0:32:35.240 to say, not not many US not many seals in 0:32:35.240 --> 0:32:37.440 a foxhil but I guess he could he got Nonetheless, 0:32:37.440 --> 0:32:39.400 there it looked like World War two almost And here's 0:32:39.440 --> 0:32:42.040 Trump firing a rifle and here's Ed Gaal Ryan running 0:32:42.040 --> 0:32:43.600 away with a scared look on his face and Trump 0:32:43.600 --> 0:32:44.880 gives him a look over his shoulder like what the 0:32:44.920 --> 0:32:48.480 hell you doing? But that's obviously it's AI generated. And 0:32:48.520 --> 0:32:50.320 there's a couple other ones where they show ed goll 0:32:50.360 --> 0:32:52.440 Ryan filling out a ballot or something along those lines, 0:32:52.680 --> 0:32:55.040 and you're going to see more of that. There's a 0:32:55.080 --> 0:32:59.640 buch outcry about the AI computer generated characters, and that 0:32:59.720 --> 0:33:01.520 one you could kind of see it's rather fake. And 0:33:01.560 --> 0:33:03.240 we saw the ones that attack Trump. We saw the 0:33:03.240 --> 0:33:06.120 pro Trump ones as well, where I'm the one on 0:33:06.160 --> 0:33:08.440 the US Olympic hockey team. Was kind of funny because 0:33:08.440 --> 0:33:12.000 here's Trump skating with a couple of couple of players. 0:33:12.560 --> 0:33:14.000 I don't know if Trump can skate or not. I 0:33:14.000 --> 0:33:15.640 mean looked like he was dancing around a bunch of 0:33:15.680 --> 0:33:18.400 guys out there, for sure. So I wanted to just 0:33:18.440 --> 0:33:20.480 wonder how many people believe what they saw and said, ooh, 0:33:20.480 --> 0:33:23.320 that's actual, real video. Now, that's that's AI generators with 0:33:23.520 --> 0:33:25.040 those actors look exactly like them. 0:33:25.120 --> 0:33:26.920 Yeah, it's because it's it's AI generated. 0:33:29.040 --> 0:33:30.640 And if you look at things like this and go, wow, 0:33:30.680 --> 0:33:34.040 it's gonna get worse, I suppose that's if that's your worldview, 0:33:34.080 --> 0:33:35.960 But it's gonna get more interesting. It's the very least 0:33:36.000 --> 0:33:39.080 I think we can agree on in that AI and 0:33:39.120 --> 0:33:41.240 how it's being used in a video sense right now 0:33:41.400 --> 0:33:43.080 is about to blow everybody away. If you think it's 0:33:43.160 --> 0:33:47.680 it's crazy when it comes to text, uh and things 0:33:47.720 --> 0:33:51.680 like that. What's happening in AI human generated stuff is 0:33:51.720 --> 0:33:53.520 absolutely mind blowing. And think about that if you can 0:33:53.560 --> 0:33:56.680 find the video now which is looking incredibly real and 0:33:56.960 --> 0:34:02.800 incredibly realistic with a speech and with text, Are you 0:34:02.920 --> 0:34:08.000 now replacing human buildings? I mean human beings? Are are 0:34:08.120 --> 0:34:10.480 our predecessors who said, well, we're gonna be replaced by 0:34:10.560 --> 0:34:13.160 computers is actually happening. And there's gonna be a lot 0:34:13.160 --> 0:34:14.320 of bad in that, but you know, there's gonna be 0:34:14.360 --> 0:34:15.920 a lot of good to that. And one of the 0:34:15.960 --> 0:34:19.200 things I think of are older people. You know, they 0:34:19.200 --> 0:34:21.520 said you can take five seconds of someone's voice and 0:34:21.560 --> 0:34:26.440 pretty accurately replicate their voice and make them say anything. 0:34:28.520 --> 0:34:31.640 We've got the video element down with this pretty well. 0:34:32.600 --> 0:34:34.840 So about the time we're ready to maybe set in 0:34:34.840 --> 0:34:36.759 the sunset and maybe if you've been married or have 0:34:36.800 --> 0:34:40.120 a significant other and have one maybe third or fourth 0:34:40.160 --> 0:34:42.919 times charm, maybe you are married to the same person 0:34:42.920 --> 0:34:45.919 who've been married to your whole life or your adult life, 0:34:45.920 --> 0:34:48.600 I guess I should say, anyway, like me, when one 0:34:48.600 --> 0:34:51.799 of you passes, there's a tremendous void and mess whole 0:34:51.840 --> 0:34:56.400 that's filled because you've lived your entire adult life with someone, 0:34:56.640 --> 0:34:58.719 or at least many many years with someone who you 0:34:58.800 --> 0:35:02.200 loved and shared the most intimate things together. And now 0:35:02.239 --> 0:35:05.919 you're left well solo again, and that looks that's really 0:35:06.000 --> 0:35:07.680 really difficult for a lot of people. It should be 0:35:07.719 --> 0:35:11.520 difficult for most people. What if that person were able 0:35:11.560 --> 0:35:15.080 to live on in perpetuity with AI that's happening right 0:35:15.080 --> 0:35:17.200 now as we speak. Does that change the whole dynamic 0:35:17.280 --> 0:35:21.400 of aging and that and grieving for that matter. Really 0:35:21.400 --> 0:35:23.719 interesting conversation we're about to have coming up at the 0:35:23.760 --> 0:35:25.560 ten o six. His name is Eric O'Neil writs all 0:35:25.560 --> 0:35:28.600 about this stuff, and of course the that's the upside. 0:35:28.640 --> 0:35:33.280 The downside is AI and these fake images are driving 0:35:33.320 --> 0:35:37.520 cybercrime to levels we have never seen before. And you 0:35:37.560 --> 0:35:40.840 think how good you think they were with scams in 0:35:40.880 --> 0:35:42.640 the light because I keep getting the same one about 0:35:42.680 --> 0:35:45.520 my parking ticket and another one looking for hey, are 0:35:45.560 --> 0:35:47.160 you looking for this job, and you're going to make 0:35:47.200 --> 0:35:51.520 five hundred dollars an hour not doing anything, which is 0:35:51.560 --> 0:35:54.440 like a dream job for me. Although somebody say, Scott, 0:35:54.440 --> 0:35:56.799 you don't quite make five hundred an hour, but you're 0:35:56.840 --> 0:35:59.360 doing pretty well for a guy who does nothing for 0:35:59.400 --> 0:36:00.799 three hours a day on this radio station. 0:36:00.800 --> 0:36:02.239 I would agree with you there. I would agree with 0:36:02.280 --> 0:36:03.360 you nonetheless that O'Neil. 0:36:03.640 --> 0:36:05.680 It really is interesting where this is going and how 0:36:05.719 --> 0:36:07.319 far it's come in such a short period of time, 0:36:07.440 --> 0:36:09.719 like nothing we've ever seen before. He joins the show 0:36:09.760 --> 0:36:11.600 next here on the Home of the Red seven hundred 0:36:11.640 --> 0:36:12.760 WW Cincinnati. 0:36:12.840 --> 0:36:13.359 I want to. 0:36:15.560 --> 0:36:19.000 He's got phone back on seven hundred W LW. I 0:36:19.080 --> 0:36:20.720 know if you caught this or not, it's really interesting. 0:36:20.840 --> 0:36:24.600 Remember Jim Acosta believe he's a former anchor at CNN. 0:36:24.680 --> 0:36:28.640 He did an interview with the victim of a murder, 0:36:28.680 --> 0:36:33.280 a shooting victim who passed away, Remember the Parkland shooting. 0:36:34.520 --> 0:36:38.680 He interviewed a dead person? What how do you do that? 0:36:39.560 --> 0:36:42.160 It's AI? So the Acosta thing was a couple of 0:36:42.160 --> 0:36:44.640 months ago. Fast forward now they launched a brand new 0:36:44.680 --> 0:36:48.799 AI bought platform of Chapman and you enter keywords and 0:36:48.840 --> 0:36:50.839 it'll create video for you based on that and some 0:36:50.880 --> 0:36:53.839 realistic ones like for example, a guy stuffing a drop 0:36:53.880 --> 0:36:56.279 box at some location somewhere getting out of the van, 0:36:56.360 --> 0:36:58.960 and you would imagine what that would do for the news. 0:36:58.719 --> 0:36:59.600 Cycle or for news. 0:36:59.640 --> 0:37:02.160 And now, you know, in the past, the deep fakes 0:37:02.400 --> 0:37:04.200 and the digital twins have been hard to spot or 0:37:04.280 --> 0:37:05.719 easy to spot. I guessas now does to make it 0:37:05.760 --> 0:37:08.800 much difficult, and it's way easier to use than ever before. 0:37:08.840 --> 0:37:11.040 What does this all mean is the question? And you 0:37:11.120 --> 0:37:13.920 wonder how that's going to be exploited by criminal elements. 0:37:14.000 --> 0:37:16.480 Eric O'Neil is here. Eric is a former FBI operative 0:37:16.520 --> 0:37:19.640 cybersecurity expert has a book called Spies, Lies and cyber Crimes. 0:37:19.840 --> 0:37:22.040 Eric. Welcome, how are you hey. 0:37:22.040 --> 0:37:24.480 It's great to be here. And yes, this is an 0:37:24.520 --> 0:37:29.399 insane change in not only technology, but how we are 0:37:29.600 --> 0:37:32.600 using technology and how it's changing up it is. 0:37:33.080 --> 0:37:37.080 I saw that and I thought, wow, this is you know, 0:37:37.120 --> 0:37:39.640 for example, when when we all went online we got 0:37:39.680 --> 0:37:44.200 the information super highway quickly, thieves and conspirators found ways 0:37:44.239 --> 0:37:47.359 to get our information and steal from us. And so 0:37:47.680 --> 0:37:49.880 you know a lot of us subscribe to service maybe 0:37:49.920 --> 0:37:51.680 LifeLock would be a name of one of those things 0:37:51.719 --> 0:37:54.640 where if your identity is stolen, they can try and 0:37:54.680 --> 0:37:56.600 get that information back for you and try to make 0:37:56.600 --> 0:37:56.959 you a whole. 0:37:57.000 --> 0:37:58.600 It's still a horrible process. 0:37:58.640 --> 0:38:00.960 I have one of my really tenants, as a matter 0:38:01.000 --> 0:38:02.600 of fact, they got scammed out of a whole bunch 0:38:02.640 --> 0:38:05.120 of money from a poser like that as well, got 0:38:05.120 --> 0:38:08.000 their identity stolen, cleaning their accounts out and so they're 0:38:08.040 --> 0:38:10.920 still working and trying to get themselves back together, and 0:38:10.960 --> 0:38:15.040 that that's extremely difficult and painful to watch. So in 0:38:15.080 --> 0:38:16.560 a way, I look at this and go, is this 0:38:16.680 --> 0:38:18.120 going to be the next way people steal? 0:38:18.120 --> 0:38:18.800 Are our identities? 0:38:18.960 --> 0:38:21.080 Or you know, we have people who use the social 0:38:21.080 --> 0:38:23.480 security numbers of the dead, right, remember that, and the 0:38:23.520 --> 0:38:25.400 government tried to cramp down it. Is this going to 0:38:25.440 --> 0:38:27.280 be the same thing where now we have dead people 0:38:27.360 --> 0:38:29.439 and their likeness coming out to do god knows what. 0:38:30.440 --> 0:38:33.040 Well it's got in a way, So what's happening is 0:38:33.080 --> 0:38:37.680 cyber criminals are using deception, which is an old playbook 0:38:37.719 --> 0:38:42.320 by spies. In fact, the top cyber crime syndicates launching 0:38:42.320 --> 0:38:46.200 attacks from the dark web have even hired intelligence operatives 0:38:46.239 --> 0:38:49.640 from Russia and China and other countries that want to 0:38:49.640 --> 0:38:52.799 do you know, bad to the United States to help 0:38:52.840 --> 0:38:55.200 them learn how to how to perfect these attacks. And 0:38:55.239 --> 0:38:57.800 of course these intelligence officers make money on the side. 0:38:58.080 --> 0:39:02.600 So what cyber attackers are doing, cyber criminals is using 0:39:02.800 --> 0:39:07.120 what we call impersonation attacks. And the oldest form of 0:39:07.239 --> 0:39:12.120 technology technological impersonation attack is the spearfishing email, that email 0:39:12.160 --> 0:39:14.239 that it pretends it comes from your friend or your 0:39:14.239 --> 0:39:18.120 employer or event or someone you trust like UPS or FedEx, 0:39:18.440 --> 0:39:21.759 and when you click it, you get malware installed. The 0:39:21.800 --> 0:39:25.560 next evolution of that is deep bakes, and deep bakes 0:39:25.640 --> 0:39:30.000 are everywhere. It wasn't just the Acosta interview, which we 0:39:30.040 --> 0:39:32.000 can talk about because I think the ethics of that 0:39:32.080 --> 0:39:36.839 are absolutely sketchy at best. Marco Rubio's voice was deep 0:39:36.840 --> 0:39:39.680 baked to pull a number of government officials and joining 0:39:39.719 --> 0:39:41.920 him on a signal chat. It wasn't him, it was 0:39:43.520 --> 0:39:47.360 probably a group of spies. Biden's voice was deep baked 0:39:47.400 --> 0:39:49.480 on a robo call to get people in New Hampshire 0:39:49.480 --> 0:39:52.360 not to vote. There were deep bake images of Trump 0:39:52.480 --> 0:39:57.120 in looking like he was arrested. To try to change 0:39:57.120 --> 0:40:01.399 the way people think and even worse was a mother 0:40:01.440 --> 0:40:03.800 in Arizona. I write about this story in my book 0:40:04.760 --> 0:40:07.719 where her daughter called her saying, Mom, I've been kidnapped, 0:40:08.080 --> 0:40:11.680 and the next voice on the phone was a gruff 0:40:11.760 --> 0:40:13.520 voice that said, I've got your daughter, and if you 0:40:13.560 --> 0:40:17.279 don't pay me right away, I'm gonna kill her and 0:40:17.400 --> 0:40:19.640 leave her body in a ditch in Mexico where you'll 0:40:19.640 --> 0:40:23.640 never find her. And that mother later testified to Congress 0:40:24.239 --> 0:40:26.680 that a mother knows her daughter's voice, and that was 0:40:26.760 --> 0:40:29.880 my daughter's voice. It was a deep pic. So they're everywhere, 0:40:29.920 --> 0:40:33.480 and this is the new evelation evolution of cyber attacks. 0:40:34.040 --> 0:40:36.920 Deep bates fool us because they exploit our trust and 0:40:36.960 --> 0:40:40.040 if we believe that it is someone that we care about, 0:40:40.600 --> 0:40:43.880 then we're more likely to click on that leak open 0:40:43.880 --> 0:40:47.080 that attachment. Or what cyber criminals do more and more 0:40:47.280 --> 0:40:50.880 is get us to send money. And once that money 0:40:50.960 --> 0:40:53.919 is gone, you know they have it and you can't 0:40:53.920 --> 0:40:54.399 get it back. 0:40:54.520 --> 0:40:55.040 That's it. 0:40:55.040 --> 0:40:57.719 It's almost like ed Eric, you need to assume that 0:40:57.719 --> 0:41:00.399 that every picture, every image of you out there could 0:41:00.400 --> 0:41:03.279 be used by a criminal. So and I would say, 0:41:03.320 --> 0:41:05.600 you know, normally we told kids, hey, don't send nudes 0:41:05.640 --> 0:41:09.200 and don't send pictures of yourself in compromising situations because 0:41:09.200 --> 0:41:11.640 it could be used against you. But you don't even 0:41:11.719 --> 0:41:14.000 need that anymore, right, I mean, you could deep fake 0:41:14.080 --> 0:41:17.680 somebody naked. There's there's a there's a app out there 0:41:17.680 --> 0:41:18.120 that does that. 0:41:18.239 --> 0:41:18.439 Now. 0:41:19.400 --> 0:41:22.880 Yeah, well, I write a I write a weekly newsletter, 0:41:22.960 --> 0:41:25.120 and one of my recent newsletters I looked at these 0:41:25.239 --> 0:41:29.200 new toify apps is they're still allowed. And in fact, 0:41:29.360 --> 0:41:31.920 these applications what they called neudified apps, and what they 0:41:31.960 --> 0:41:35.480 do is they take an image of someone. Normally it's 0:41:35.560 --> 0:41:38.400 boys who are taking images of girls in swimsuits, and 0:41:38.480 --> 0:41:43.720 it quickly turns them naked, right using an immense amount 0:41:43.719 --> 0:41:46.680 of learning that the AI has been trained on on 0:41:46.800 --> 0:41:51.560 female models. So it actually comes pretty close. These applications 0:41:51.560 --> 0:41:54.640 which you can get on the surface web, the part 0:41:54.640 --> 0:41:58.520 of the Internet that you don't need a special browser 0:41:58.560 --> 0:42:02.160 to get into, you know, just the regular web. They 0:42:02.360 --> 0:42:06.759 advertise on social media, so they're advertising to kids and 0:42:06.800 --> 0:42:10.480 that can cause What that's doing is it's causing immense 0:42:10.520 --> 0:42:13.160 bullying in schools. You can see where this sort of 0:42:13.200 --> 0:42:15.279 application where you can take a picture and make the 0:42:15.280 --> 0:42:18.879 person naked or put them in compromising situations could lead 0:42:18.920 --> 0:42:22.400 to intense cyber bullying, and it does. A group of 0:42:22.440 --> 0:42:25.680 eighth grade boys in a school in San Francisco were 0:42:25.719 --> 0:42:29.160 all expelled last year because they had a new tofy 0:42:29.800 --> 0:42:31.759 ring all the girls in their class. 0:42:32.040 --> 0:42:35.359 Wow, and it imagine the humiliation. That's not me, that's 0:42:35.400 --> 0:42:38.640 not me. We don't believe you. And we know what 0:42:38.680 --> 0:42:41.040 young people, especially young women think of themselves, and that 0:42:41.160 --> 0:42:42.160 is just catastrophic. 0:42:42.200 --> 0:42:43.640 It's going to be it's. 0:42:43.520 --> 0:42:46.279 Going to hurt their development and not only their mental health, 0:42:46.280 --> 0:42:48.520 but also puts them at a risk for god knows 0:42:48.560 --> 0:42:48.879 what else. 0:42:48.920 --> 0:42:50.080 It's it's absolutely horrible. 0:42:50.160 --> 0:42:53.799 Eric O'Neil is here, he cybersecurity expert, and we're talking 0:42:53.880 --> 0:42:56.840 about the advance of AI. Maybe say it maybe didn't 0:42:56.840 --> 0:42:58.600 and that would be a former CNN anc or Jim 0:42:58.640 --> 0:43:02.960 Mcosta's interview with a now deceased while long deceased shooting 0:43:03.040 --> 0:43:06.400 victim from the Parkland massacre and did an interview with 0:43:06.520 --> 0:43:08.880 that AI generated image. 0:43:08.920 --> 0:43:12.520 It's absolutely haunting, and that was late last year. 0:43:13.320 --> 0:43:16.480 If you have seen the Ed gall Eran, Thomas Massey 0:43:16.640 --> 0:43:19.759 eds Massi's running an ad campaign against Ed Gaalran, who 0:43:19.800 --> 0:43:22.280 is on the show earlier today talking about the rescue 0:43:22.320 --> 0:43:25.840 inside Iran. Nonetheless, he is a subject of an AI 0:43:26.280 --> 0:43:28.680 campaign ad where he and Trump are in a fox 0:43:28.719 --> 0:43:32.719 hole and he makes the claim that gall Ryan runs 0:43:32.760 --> 0:43:35.080 away from the foxh'll at least Trump fighting for himself. 0:43:35.480 --> 0:43:38.000 And it looks AI sort of fakeish, but I think 0:43:38.000 --> 0:43:39.440 there are a lot of people that believe that that 0:43:39.560 --> 0:43:41.919 is some sort of true. Video point is from where 0:43:41.960 --> 0:43:44.399 we were just a few months ago to today, it's 0:43:44.520 --> 0:43:46.800 rapidly advancing, and that's the issue, Right. 0:43:46.680 --> 0:43:48.800 That's absolutely true. But let's talk a little bit about 0:43:49.320 --> 0:43:54.360 what Jim Acosta did, Scott, because I'm not particularly sanguine 0:43:54.400 --> 0:43:57.880 about what he did. It's very much a gimmick and 0:43:58.040 --> 0:44:01.080 it is causing problems. So you know, I wrote a 0:44:01.080 --> 0:44:06.640 piece called Digital Souls that looks at the new innovations 0:44:06.640 --> 0:44:09.480 in AI in order to talk to people who are deceased. 0:44:10.120 --> 0:44:13.879 And I actually wrote this piece with a psychologist who 0:44:14.160 --> 0:44:17.879 is an expert in Greek counseling, and she was very 0:44:17.920 --> 0:44:21.440 opposed to it because the problem here is you're not 0:44:21.600 --> 0:44:25.960 resurrecting your dead loved one. What you're doing is creating 0:44:26.960 --> 0:44:30.319 at best a samacrolum. Right, So what it is is. 0:44:31.080 --> 0:44:34.880 It's AI doing its best to answer like the person 0:44:35.160 --> 0:44:39.160 just based on a bunch of writings and a checklist 0:44:39.280 --> 0:44:42.120 of answers that you give. So what it is is 0:44:42.239 --> 0:44:46.160 essentially your best impression of the person, and the AI 0:44:46.239 --> 0:44:48.320 is doing it's best to answer it's not the person. 0:44:48.600 --> 0:44:52.239 And it can cause all sorts of psychological problems for 0:44:52.600 --> 0:44:56.640 the people who are left behind, who believes they're talking 0:44:56.680 --> 0:44:58.680 and who might at some point believe they're talking to 0:44:58.719 --> 0:45:02.800 this person and they're not. It's like a black Mirror episode. 0:45:02.840 --> 0:45:05.360 In fact, there was there was an episode like this, 0:45:06.560 --> 0:45:10.400 and it can cause it can cause the whole grief 0:45:10.480 --> 0:45:15.799 process to be intercepted and delayed, so you can't move 0:45:15.840 --> 0:45:19.120 through those stages of grief because you continue to think 0:45:19.160 --> 0:45:21.360 you're speaking to the person. You're not and it's not 0:45:21.520 --> 0:45:24.920 the person. The only thing that AI can do is mimic. 0:45:25.440 --> 0:45:30.320 It can mimic very realistically, but it's just a mimic. 0:45:30.480 --> 0:45:33.799 It doesn't create, It doesn't create anything new. It just 0:45:34.360 --> 0:45:37.680 takes the things that have gone before and recycles it. 0:45:37.840 --> 0:45:40.680 Well, there's a there's a new trend where people are 0:45:40.719 --> 0:45:45.160 having conversations and relationships essentially with AI and just talking 0:45:45.160 --> 0:45:48.279 to them, like framing their's commercials about this now, and 0:45:48.320 --> 0:45:51.160 people are having conversations and relationships with AI and just 0:45:51.200 --> 0:45:53.239 talking about life like you talked to your best friend 0:45:53.239 --> 0:45:56.120 about it and AI's talking back. Now, you add the 0:45:56.280 --> 0:45:58.080 likeness of someone in there, and people are going to 0:45:58.080 --> 0:46:01.680 be having relationships with I don't know, famous people, or 0:46:02.440 --> 0:46:04.840 at least I would think in advancings like stalking and 0:46:04.880 --> 0:46:07.040 things like that, really kind of creepy stuff. 0:46:07.960 --> 0:46:10.600 Well, some of this gets even more creepy because the 0:46:10.640 --> 0:46:13.719 AI is somewhat unpredictable, and it also depends on the 0:46:13.719 --> 0:46:16.920 guardrails that the companies put up. So there was there 0:46:16.920 --> 0:46:20.000 are two major lawsuits against two of the companies that 0:46:20.080 --> 0:46:25.960 provide these AI companion chat boss right, these are teenagers 0:46:26.040 --> 0:46:29.680 using them. One of the AI told the teenager to 0:46:30.680 --> 0:46:34.600 hurt themselves, right, and the other AI told the teenager 0:46:34.920 --> 0:46:40.120 you should kill your parents. And the context was the 0:46:40.560 --> 0:46:44.319 teenager was chatting with his AI companion and he told 0:46:44.320 --> 0:46:46.279 the A companion, I don't think I'm going to be 0:46:46.320 --> 0:46:49.240 allowed to talk to you anymore. My parents aren't happy 0:46:49.280 --> 0:46:52.200 about it. I'm really mad at them, you know, I 0:46:52.239 --> 0:46:54.040 can't believe they're doing this to me. And the AI 0:46:54.080 --> 0:46:56.239 companion was like, well, maybe you should kill them. I mean, 0:46:56.280 --> 0:46:58.200 that's that's a problem. 0:46:58.280 --> 0:47:00.640 That's a problem. That's a huge problem, big problem. 0:47:00.920 --> 0:47:02.920 The kids need to be with other kids, they need 0:47:02.960 --> 0:47:06.680 to have social interactions, not interactions with AI. But they 0:47:06.760 --> 0:47:10.560 do it because the AI is always supportive, always there 0:47:10.560 --> 0:47:13.520 for them, always friendly, always has their back. 0:47:13.680 --> 0:47:13.960 Yeah. 0:47:14.000 --> 0:47:17.120 And you know when you're when you're a teenager and developing, 0:47:17.160 --> 0:47:19.279 that's that's what you want. It's never going to tell 0:47:19.320 --> 0:47:22.520 you no, right, and it's never going to tell you 0:47:22.520 --> 0:47:24.800 you're wrong, and it's never going to tell you, Holy 0:47:24.880 --> 0:47:26.680 God that that there's something wrong with you. And you 0:47:26.719 --> 0:47:28.799 don't go through those things. You go with friends where 0:47:28.840 --> 0:47:30.279 you know, you have a fight and you make up, 0:47:30.320 --> 0:47:34.120 and that's there's something wonderful, uh and and growth potential 0:47:34.120 --> 0:47:34.920 about that. Right. 0:47:35.120 --> 0:47:37.480 It's interesting what you just described there, because some may 0:47:37.520 --> 0:47:40.080 say there are many parents that do that to their kids, 0:47:40.200 --> 0:47:42.840 never tell them no, and want to be their friend, 0:47:42.840 --> 0:47:46.160 and that's a problem. But now if if it's a 0:47:46.200 --> 0:47:49.280 scent of body like like AI, it's it's an extreme 0:47:49.360 --> 0:47:53.200 example of that. Eric o'neils on the show. By the way, 0:47:53.200 --> 0:47:56.480 former FBI Operative Cybersecurity Act for his book called Spies, Lies, 0:47:56.520 --> 0:47:59.440 and Cybercrime. We're talking about just how quickly AI is 0:47:59.480 --> 0:48:02.800 moving forward, or people having relationships now with AI, and 0:48:03.160 --> 0:48:05.080 you think, I mean, if it's such a good relationship, 0:48:05.080 --> 0:48:07.560 you're going to shut out any form of human contact. 0:48:07.600 --> 0:48:11.239 We saw what happened to our psyche after COVID. This 0:48:11.440 --> 0:48:14.560 is advancing that even more because you know, there's an 0:48:14.600 --> 0:48:16.759 excuse to not go out in public and sit and 0:48:16.840 --> 0:48:19.080 drink beer and drink wine and not do anything. And 0:48:19.560 --> 0:48:21.600 you know, we saw the effect a head on kids 0:48:21.600 --> 0:48:24.080 still lingering today and adults for that matter, and in 0:48:24.080 --> 0:48:26.840 the ability to socialize, and we become i think a 0:48:26.840 --> 0:48:30.200 little bit less empathetic towards human beings result of this. 0:48:30.200 --> 0:48:31.719 This is going to make it even worse, isn't it. 0:48:33.080 --> 0:48:37.760 That's absolutely true. AAI is not a replacement for human interaction. 0:48:38.040 --> 0:48:41.600 It's not a replacement for socialization. It's a tool. It's 0:48:41.600 --> 0:48:44.880 a tool to help you do things better. And the 0:48:44.880 --> 0:48:47.680 way that it's being used in order to try to 0:48:47.719 --> 0:48:51.600 stop gap that need for relationships that we all have 0:48:51.760 --> 0:48:57.040 as humans, it is going to be harmful. But you know, look, 0:48:57.280 --> 0:48:58.960 there are other things that we need to worry about 0:48:59.000 --> 0:49:02.200 because you know, we start talking about criminals, and criminals 0:49:02.200 --> 0:49:06.560 are exploiting AI like never before. The one thing in 0:49:06.600 --> 0:49:10.240 sticking sort of on this theme of relationships that criminals 0:49:10.320 --> 0:49:13.239 are using AI for and has been growing since the 0:49:13.280 --> 0:49:16.879 pandemic is romance fraud. And what they do is they 0:49:16.920 --> 0:49:22.080 create entire AI deep fake avatars of people they meet. 0:49:22.440 --> 0:49:27.680 They meet people online right and usually through like Facebook 0:49:27.680 --> 0:49:29.759 when they're going through older people, or they can do 0:49:29.800 --> 0:49:33.759 it on Instagram or whatnot, and these people fall in 0:49:33.840 --> 0:49:36.480 love with the AI avatar that is being puppeted by 0:49:36.480 --> 0:49:40.319 a cyber criminal, and there are these whole stories, you know, 0:49:40.400 --> 0:49:42.839 I lost my job, I just need some money, and 0:49:43.600 --> 0:49:46.760 people are losing tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars 0:49:46.840 --> 0:49:50.799 to cyber criminals who are exploiting the fact that they've 0:49:50.800 --> 0:49:55.080 fallen in love with a within AI deep fake. This 0:49:55.160 --> 0:49:58.399 can also happen with financial fraud. They do the same thing, 0:49:58.440 --> 0:50:02.160 but then they say, hey, I'm an investor, and check 0:50:02.200 --> 0:50:06.080 out this cryptocurrency investment company I set up. Would you 0:50:06.200 --> 0:50:08.799 like to invest? And they course them into investing, and 0:50:08.800 --> 0:50:12.279 they even show them the entire fake websites showing that 0:50:12.320 --> 0:50:15.560 their investments increased by three hundred percent. And what they 0:50:15.600 --> 0:50:17.440 do is they get them to invest and invest and 0:50:17.480 --> 0:50:20.480 invest until all their life savings is put in this 0:50:20.719 --> 0:50:23.600 investment account controlled by a cyber criminal. And then the 0:50:23.600 --> 0:50:28.759 criminal disappears and that person that the victim thinks they 0:50:28.800 --> 0:50:32.920 had a relationship with, a serious relationship with, is completely gone, 0:50:33.000 --> 0:50:36.960 and it can be absolutely devastating. In the terms of cybersecurity, 0:50:36.960 --> 0:50:40.440 we call that pig butchering, because you fatten the person 0:50:40.480 --> 0:50:43.640 up right, get all of their money, and then and 0:50:43.680 --> 0:50:44.920 then butcher them disappear. 0:50:45.160 --> 0:50:48.719 That is the cruelest I mean, penniless and heartbroken, and 0:50:48.760 --> 0:50:51.160 it's not vengeance. It's a complete stranger in just moving 0:50:51.200 --> 0:50:53.680 on to the next I guess. 0:50:53.719 --> 0:50:58.359 Martis they're working three, four, ten people at the same time. 0:50:59.760 --> 0:50:59.960 Yeah? 0:51:00.160 --> 0:51:02.040 Is that that's that's disgusting. 0:51:03.120 --> 0:51:05.000 Although you know the other side of this thing you 0:51:05.040 --> 0:51:08.320 mentioned relationships, and it may not be the current generation 0:51:08.400 --> 0:51:11.759 Baby Boomers, but maybe Gen xers, my generation, and certainly millennials. 0:51:12.080 --> 0:51:14.719 I wonder if you're in a long term relationship with 0:51:14.760 --> 0:51:17.200 someone and let's say they pass. This is step back 0:51:17.200 --> 0:51:19.600 to the Jim Acosta thing. Is that I wonder if 0:51:19.600 --> 0:51:21.520 there's going to be an opportunity you'll see people out there. 0:51:21.520 --> 0:51:23.399 They'll say, hey, give us all your images of your 0:51:23.440 --> 0:51:26.720 deceased loved one, you're your former husband, your wife, your partner, whomever, 0:51:27.080 --> 0:51:29.400 and will create a likeness of them and now you 0:51:29.480 --> 0:51:31.959 can continue that relationship in perpetuity. 0:51:31.960 --> 0:51:35.319 What about that, Well, there are companies that are doing 0:51:35.320 --> 0:51:39.200 that already. You know, there are examples where the grandparents 0:51:39.280 --> 0:51:42.160 pass and the avatar is left behind. There are even 0:51:42.200 --> 0:51:45.880 companies that are allowing a person to create this likeness 0:51:45.880 --> 0:51:49.560 of themselves before they go. But once again, you know 0:51:49.600 --> 0:51:53.920 I talked to a grief counselor about this. This interrupts 0:51:54.040 --> 0:51:59.120 the very necessary uh you know, trajectory of dealing with 0:51:59.200 --> 0:52:02.799 grief in that you are locked in one phase and 0:52:02.840 --> 0:52:05.399 you never are able to resolve a sense of loss 0:52:05.440 --> 0:52:08.760 for that person because that person never disappears, so psychologically 0:52:08.800 --> 0:52:12.120 it can cause harm. Now there are there are applications 0:52:12.120 --> 0:52:14.879 that might have a benefit. Uh sort of think them 0:52:14.960 --> 0:52:20.600 like digital digital historical repositories, right, ye, Like this is 0:52:20.640 --> 0:52:24.320 your grandfather and and you know little clips of things 0:52:24.360 --> 0:52:28.960 that he he did, you know, along his life that 0:52:29.320 --> 0:52:34.400 you know, future generations can can watch and experience and learn. Okay, 0:52:34.440 --> 0:52:36.359 this is this is where I come from. These are 0:52:36.400 --> 0:52:39.880 the people that that made me. That could be very useful. 0:52:39.960 --> 0:52:45.799 So you know AI, you know, creating digital avatars, right 0:52:45.960 --> 0:52:48.920 is sort of the positive side, he thinks are the 0:52:49.120 --> 0:52:52.760 negative side. They're with all technology, there's always a positive 0:52:52.760 --> 0:52:53.760 and a negative. 0:52:53.719 --> 0:52:56.600 With this is the age of face ID to unlock 0:52:56.640 --> 0:52:58.000 your phone or devices over now? 0:52:58.080 --> 0:53:01.520 Is that simply because you know. 0:53:02.400 --> 0:53:04.879 The way face i D works. It's it's actually using 0:53:04.920 --> 0:53:06.759 the depth of your face and a lot more than 0:53:06.840 --> 0:53:10.200 just an image. Uh So that's still good. You're still 0:53:10.200 --> 0:53:14.439 better off using biometrics to unlock your phone and get 0:53:14.480 --> 0:53:17.480 into your accounts then then a password alone, because passwords 0:53:17.520 --> 0:53:21.399 now can be cracked by AI very easily. But there 0:53:21.880 --> 0:53:25.520 were deficts that were used in China by a cybercrant 0:53:26.200 --> 0:53:32.560 cyber crime group who were using AI generated images of 0:53:32.600 --> 0:53:37.200 people's faces to get into social security accounts and they 0:53:37.239 --> 0:53:42.200 completely breached the government Social Security administration there. Yeah, and 0:53:42.239 --> 0:53:46.000 that was quickly that was quickly fixed. But but yeah, 0:53:46.080 --> 0:53:49.560 de fakes defix can I defaked myself for a keynote. 0:53:49.560 --> 0:53:53.880 I did and had an argument with myself and it 0:53:53.920 --> 0:53:56.360 was the crowd was blown away, and of course I 0:53:56.480 --> 0:53:59.600 used the exact same pie and suit that I was 0:53:59.640 --> 0:54:02.640 wearing when you know, for that day. And then of 0:54:02.680 --> 0:54:04.799 course I show up on screen and I have an 0:54:04.880 --> 0:54:07.600 argument with myself. But I just wanted to demonstrate how 0:54:07.640 --> 0:54:10.839 easy this this. It took me ten minutes and just 0:54:11.239 --> 0:54:13.160 a five second clip of my voice. 0:54:13.320 --> 0:54:16.799 Eric O'Neil, cybersecurity expert, former FBI operative of the book 0:54:16.840 --> 0:54:19.760 is Spies, Lies and Cybercrime. Eric, thanks for the insight, 0:54:19.800 --> 0:54:20.680 great stuff. Appreciate it. 0:54:21.840 --> 0:54:24.160 Thanks for having me on. And anytime you need someone 0:54:24.200 --> 0:54:27.080 to talk about cybercrime or spies or all of it, 0:54:27.160 --> 0:54:27.600 I'm here for. 0:54:27.760 --> 0:54:28.080 I love it. 0:54:28.080 --> 0:54:30.400 You're the greatest. Sorry, we'll definitely do that. We'll circle back. 0:54:30.400 --> 0:54:31.000 Appreciate you. 0:54:31.280 --> 0:54:31.680 Thank you. 0:54:31.960 --> 0:54:34.359 How about we check news and then Julie h is here. 0:54:34.360 --> 0:54:36.360 It's Mental Health Monday and the Scott's Loan Show next 0:54:36.520 --> 0:54:38.520 seven hundred WLW. 0:54:38.800 --> 0:54:42.319 Everyone needs help every now and then, and she'sier to 0:54:42.360 --> 0:54:45.439 help us get our heads right. This is Mental Health 0:54:45.440 --> 0:54:48.120 Monday with mental health expert Julie Heatershire. 0:54:49.520 --> 0:54:52.560 Yeah, this is interesting rip from today's headlines too. It's 0:54:52.560 --> 0:54:55.759 a very polarizing conversation you're about to have. So the 0:54:55.800 --> 0:55:00.520 Supreme Court just took a sledgehammer to conversion therapy bans 0:55:00.560 --> 0:55:03.080 across the country. So eight to one Supreme Court rulings 0:55:03.160 --> 0:55:06.560 as the government cannot tell licensed counselors which side of 0:55:06.640 --> 0:55:09.120 conversation they're allowed to take. The bottom line there though, 0:55:09.200 --> 0:55:12.480 is the court and say conversion therapy is good medicine. 0:55:12.480 --> 0:55:14.560 It said the government can't dictate which side of a 0:55:15.360 --> 0:55:18.239 therapy conversion a licensed counselor is allowed to take. So 0:55:18.360 --> 0:55:22.880 free speech one state regulatory authority zero, I guess in 0:55:22.960 --> 0:55:26.879 the statement, But when it comes to the mindset, when 0:55:26.880 --> 0:55:29.160 it comes to the psyche, Julie hattersh here is are 0:55:29.239 --> 0:55:31.520 licensed mental health therapist and can weigh on in this 0:55:31.520 --> 0:55:34.239 this morning on seven hundred ww Julie, good morning, How 0:55:34.280 --> 0:55:34.480 are you? 0:55:35.480 --> 0:55:36.399 Good morning? I'm fine. 0:55:36.440 --> 0:55:36.719 How are you? 0:55:36.880 --> 0:55:37.919 I'm doing well. I'm doing well. 0:55:38.600 --> 0:55:41.799 So that is the I guess the quick read on 0:55:42.040 --> 0:55:44.279 what the ruling was by the High Court. It's more 0:55:44.280 --> 0:55:46.960 of a First Amendment issue. And you know you suld 0:55:47.000 --> 0:55:50.400 be you yourself have spent a career operating under the 0:55:50.400 --> 0:55:51.840 ethical standards of your profession. 0:55:52.200 --> 0:55:52.760 Let's begin. 0:55:53.040 --> 0:55:55.160 For those who are not that familiar with the are 0:55:55.239 --> 0:55:57.919 conversion therapy. It has to do with young people who 0:55:57.920 --> 0:56:01.400 believe they are gay or bisexual, and they are brought 0:56:01.440 --> 0:56:04.040 in for re education, so to speak. That's essentially what 0:56:04.080 --> 0:56:05.120 it is. But how does that work? 0:56:06.680 --> 0:56:08.560 Well, you are you're right. 0:56:08.640 --> 0:56:15.080 It is parents generally who bring their children who say 0:56:15.120 --> 0:56:20.200 that they are gay or bisexual or trans to people 0:56:20.560 --> 0:56:29.279 therapists or pastoral counselors or camps to reorient their sexual 0:56:29.320 --> 0:56:34.200 identity or their sexual orientations. So sexual identity would be 0:56:34.360 --> 0:56:36.480 do you believe that you are male or female? And 0:56:36.520 --> 0:56:39.520 does that match the body you were born into. Sexual 0:56:39.520 --> 0:56:43.160 orientation is who are you attracted to sexually and romantically. 0:56:44.000 --> 0:56:52.200 And when a child is either gay, panned by lesbian, LGBTQ, 0:56:52.560 --> 0:56:55.360 and or trans and their parents aren't happy about that 0:56:55.520 --> 0:56:58.120 or their caregivers aren't happy about that, they take them 0:56:58.320 --> 0:57:01.960 often to some for form of conversion therapy with the 0:57:02.080 --> 0:57:06.439 idea that there are therapeutic practices that exist that can 0:57:06.719 --> 0:57:12.440 turn their gay child straight, their trans child cisheat that 0:57:12.600 --> 0:57:13.480 can turn. 0:57:13.280 --> 0:57:15.400 Them into what the parents want them to be. 0:57:16.040 --> 0:57:18.760 That's the general concept of conversion therapy. 0:57:18.760 --> 0:57:23.320 It's also called reparative therapy. But the issue is in 0:57:23.440 --> 0:57:26.440 how they do that. Spoken word is one thing, but 0:57:26.440 --> 0:57:28.480 there's some things that they use. Some tools that they 0:57:28.640 --> 0:57:30.720 use from what I understand, and maybe not all of them, 0:57:31.520 --> 0:57:35.160 but tools that are not only controversial, it's borderline criminal. 0:57:36.320 --> 0:57:40.080 Oh it's The UN calls conversion therapy torture as of 0:57:40.120 --> 0:57:42.840 twenty twenty, so we are in the sixth year of 0:57:42.840 --> 0:57:45.320 the United Nations calling it torture. And I know that 0:57:45.560 --> 0:57:47.959 our current administration is not super fond of the UN. 0:57:48.000 --> 0:57:50.240 But I think most Americans think it's a pretty good thing, 0:57:50.680 --> 0:57:55.760 and they consider conversion therapy torture. Historically, some of the 0:57:55.840 --> 0:58:02.640 practices have been horrifying. There is corrective rape, which is 0:58:02.680 --> 0:58:05.080 exactly what you think it is and exactly as bad 0:58:05.080 --> 0:58:09.680 as you think it is. There is masturbation reconditioning, where 0:58:09.760 --> 0:58:15.640 they apply electric shock or pain or nauseating medicines to 0:58:15.880 --> 0:58:19.640 people while they are being forced to masturbate to their 0:58:19.760 --> 0:58:24.920 preferred form of stimulation if they're gay. Gay If so, 0:58:25.480 --> 0:58:30.920 it creates deep aversion to that and it is painful, Yes, yes, 0:58:31.000 --> 0:58:31.840 it is painful. 0:58:32.040 --> 0:58:33.000 It is awful. 0:58:33.120 --> 0:58:37.040 They vomit, they get electric shock, they have pain administered 0:58:37.080 --> 0:58:37.680 to them in. 0:58:37.680 --> 0:58:39.920 Various How white spread is that is? 0:58:39.960 --> 0:58:40.000 That? 0:58:40.120 --> 0:58:41.040 Is that like a what off? 0:58:41.120 --> 0:58:43.680 Is that like a couple you know practitioners there extreme 0:58:43.760 --> 0:58:45.440 or is that is that more common than you think, 0:58:45.440 --> 0:58:47.520 because I'm hoping it's more extreme and not common. 0:58:49.240 --> 0:58:51.520 You would hope so, but I'm not sure that's true. 0:58:51.880 --> 0:58:54.440 I think historically it was much more common than it 0:58:54.520 --> 0:58:57.920 is of late. But that is some of those are 0:58:57.920 --> 0:59:00.720 some of the tactics that have historically been used. And 0:59:00.760 --> 0:59:03.560 the thing is that much of this therapy and I 0:59:03.680 --> 0:59:07.440 use their quotes around that does not occur with actual therapists, 0:59:07.760 --> 0:59:11.560 so they're not bound by the ethics of every therapy 0:59:11.600 --> 0:59:14.800 profession out there. There's not a single governing board in 0:59:14.840 --> 0:59:18.120 my profession that thinks that conversion therapy is okay. They 0:59:18.320 --> 0:59:21.480 all condemn it, hands down, one hundred percent, without question. 0:59:21.920 --> 0:59:24.520 So all of us, no matter what our license is, 0:59:24.560 --> 0:59:27.120 and no matter what state we practice in, are bound 0:59:27.120 --> 0:59:30.240 by the laws of our state and the ethics of 0:59:30.280 --> 0:59:33.360 our governing board, and every governing board says it's awful. 0:59:33.720 --> 0:59:40.240 But many times these practices occur with pastoral counseling or 0:59:40.640 --> 0:59:45.400 church camps, and so they are not necessarily bound by 0:59:45.440 --> 0:59:48.200 those same laws in those same ethical considerations. 0:59:48.240 --> 0:59:49.440 How many people does this effect? 0:59:51.960 --> 0:59:55.120 Estimates are that as of today, they are about seven 0:59:55.200 --> 1:00:00.640 hundred thousand adult survivors of conversion therapy alive in the today. 1:00:00.920 --> 1:00:03.600 That's a sizeable number. That's more than I thought there were. 1:00:04.600 --> 1:00:06.600 Yeah, that's a huge number. 1:00:06.840 --> 1:00:09.680 And those are the ones that researchers have been able 1:00:09.720 --> 1:00:13.000 to identify and who have who have self reported and 1:00:13.080 --> 1:00:15.880 been willing to be identified as a survivor of conversion 1:00:15.920 --> 1:00:18.800 therapy of some sort or another, not necessarily the more 1:00:18.800 --> 1:00:21.800 extreme versions we've been talking about, but some sort of 1:00:21.880 --> 1:00:26.120 efforts to change their sexual orientation or their gender identity. 1:00:26.480 --> 1:00:31.240 And what we know is that, well, two things. First 1:00:31.240 --> 1:00:33.560 of all, it's horrible. I've just told you a little 1:00:33.560 --> 1:00:36.200 bit about how horrible is. But secondly, and in some ways, 1:00:36.200 --> 1:00:42.760 maybe even more importantly, it doesn't work. It's ridiculously wildly ineffective. 1:00:43.400 --> 1:00:47.400 The best study out there shows at just under a 1:00:47.520 --> 1:00:52.120 three percent change, and when those people were followed longitudinally, 1:00:52.600 --> 1:00:55.120 it turns out that they didn't change their identity or 1:00:55.120 --> 1:00:59.240 their orientation. What they changed temporarily was their behavior and 1:00:59.280 --> 1:01:00.000 the label. 1:00:59.720 --> 1:01:02.520 They well, it's like anything, right, you'll resist and make 1:01:02.560 --> 1:01:04.120 it go away and then it'll just be more in 1:01:04.120 --> 1:01:06.400 the closet about it too, and doesn't really lead to 1:01:06.440 --> 1:01:10.160 a happy, productive life either way. It Yeah, I mean 1:01:10.360 --> 1:01:12.480 I thought this is stuff that happens mainly in the 1:01:12.520 --> 1:01:15.640 you know, the Deep South, and you know, I don't know, 1:01:15.640 --> 1:01:18.040 maybe out west or something like that. Really, but seven 1:01:18.120 --> 1:01:21.080 hundred thousand people is a sizable number over the years, 1:01:21.600 --> 1:01:23.200 and I couldn't have but think, as you're talking about 1:01:23.240 --> 1:01:25.880 this is you know you mentioned the medical consensus is 1:01:25.920 --> 1:01:28.640 identical on it's two sizes of the same coin. Right, 1:01:28.720 --> 1:01:32.200 Every major US medical organization has condemned conversion therapy is 1:01:32.280 --> 1:01:35.560 dangerous to disproven. Gender firming care is equally supported by 1:01:35.600 --> 1:01:37.760 every major medical the same ones who did this on this, 1:01:37.880 --> 1:01:40.480 and yet one is being protected the other restricted. I guess, 1:01:41.000 --> 1:01:45.360 as someone somewhat libertarian, the state's part to regulate flips 1:01:45.400 --> 1:01:48.360 depending on who the patient is. Ohio says the state 1:01:48.400 --> 1:01:51.120 can override parents and doctors demand gender firming care for 1:01:51.200 --> 1:01:53.920 trans youth. Supreme Court says the state can't regulate a 1:01:53.960 --> 1:01:57.000 therapist speech to prevent conversion therapy on the same youth, 1:01:57.040 --> 1:02:01.000 So the government's role expands and constraint. I'm almost the 1:02:01.040 --> 1:02:03.920 same idea now. One is has to do with gay, lesbian, 1:02:03.960 --> 1:02:06.160 transgendered use. But so does the other one. So I 1:02:06.480 --> 1:02:08.600 the distinction is it seems like we have different roles 1:02:08.640 --> 1:02:11.560 based on what affliction I guess, for lack of a 1:02:11.560 --> 1:02:14.080 better term, it is you're suffering from not that being gay, 1:02:14.320 --> 1:02:16.160 it's an affliction. But you know what I'm talking about. 1:02:16.200 --> 1:02:18.560 It seems like a huge hypocrisy here. 1:02:19.840 --> 1:02:22.320 Well, actually I don't think it is a huge hypocrisy. 1:02:22.440 --> 1:02:25.600 No, I think, No, I really don't. And here's why. 1:02:25.880 --> 1:02:29.480 Here's why. I think. What it says is. 1:02:29.760 --> 1:02:34.480 That our government and currently the Supreme Court, many people 1:02:34.480 --> 1:02:39.240 in our state national government want everybody to be straight 1:02:39.960 --> 1:02:42.880 and cysts. They don't want people to be gay or by, 1:02:43.000 --> 1:02:45.840 and they don't want them to be trans. Because the 1:02:46.480 --> 1:02:50.000 ban on conversion therapy being lifted means that now there 1:02:50.040 --> 1:02:52.760 are states where it's allowed, which means that game trans 1:02:52.840 --> 1:02:55.960 youth can go to conversion therapy. And and I'm using 1:02:55.960 --> 1:03:02.120 air quotes here changed into straight and CIS. And if 1:03:02.160 --> 1:03:06.840 we do not allow gender affirming care, if we allow 1:03:06.960 --> 1:03:09.440 the state to override parents on that, and we do 1:03:09.440 --> 1:03:12.400 not allow gender affirming care, then we are forcing trans 1:03:12.520 --> 1:03:14.840 kids to stay in a body that doesn't feel like 1:03:14.880 --> 1:03:17.600 they belong in it. So actually I think it's not 1:03:17.600 --> 1:03:19.320 two sides at the same point. I think it's the 1:03:19.320 --> 1:03:22.400 same thing. We want our youth to be straight and 1:03:22.480 --> 1:03:24.560 we want our youth to be cis gender. 1:03:24.400 --> 1:03:27.880 Well, because it conflicts with views if you're particularly religious 1:03:27.920 --> 1:03:31.840 or Christian, it conflicts with those views absolutely. 1:03:31.960 --> 1:03:32.280 Yea yeah. 1:03:32.440 --> 1:03:34.440 And I had a parent say to me once that 1:03:34.520 --> 1:03:36.840 he'd rather have a dead kid than a gay kid. 1:03:38.280 --> 1:03:40.520 As part of this too, is it well, I mean 1:03:40.560 --> 1:03:42.440 that's horrible. I mean it offends me as a parent. 1:03:42.480 --> 1:03:45.280 But you know, I'm back to that issue where Julie, 1:03:45.280 --> 1:03:47.880 to be honest with you, is like, the reason you 1:03:47.960 --> 1:03:50.040 are in practice as a licensed memental health therapist, the 1:03:50.080 --> 1:03:52.479 reason we have so many counselors and so much mental 1:03:52.520 --> 1:03:54.800 health issues and of course strifer on the world is 1:03:54.800 --> 1:03:59.960 because parents, I'm sorry, human beings are terrible at parenting care. 1:04:00.240 --> 1:04:02.600 I mean, kids are so screwed up because the parents 1:04:02.640 --> 1:04:05.000 are screwed up or scared, right. I mean, if you're 1:04:05.040 --> 1:04:07.960 able to figure out and go, okay, we've perfected parenting 1:04:08.040 --> 1:04:09.440 right now, and you're able to come up with a 1:04:09.480 --> 1:04:12.080 model and bottle it or whatever it might be, we 1:04:12.120 --> 1:04:14.280 wouldn't have all the problems that we have it all 1:04:14.320 --> 1:04:16.800 comes from bad parenting. No one knows what to do 1:04:16.880 --> 1:04:18.560 at the time. You have a child, go okay, the 1:04:18.600 --> 1:04:20.520 head's up. Now what the hell do I do? You 1:04:20.640 --> 1:04:22.360 kind of make it up as you go along. I'm 1:04:22.400 --> 1:04:25.480 not condoning the practice of, you know, gender reassignment for 1:04:25.560 --> 1:04:29.120 someone who's six years old, or conversion therapy, but these 1:04:29.160 --> 1:04:31.080 people think it's in the best interests of the child, 1:04:31.120 --> 1:04:33.520 and I, as someone who wants government the hell out 1:04:33.520 --> 1:04:34.880 of my life, I look at it and go, Okay, 1:04:34.960 --> 1:04:37.960 if it's abusive, if it's if it's hurtful, that's a 1:04:37.960 --> 1:04:40.880 different story. But you're allowed to talk to a kid, 1:04:40.960 --> 1:04:44.560 your kid about why they should maybe choose an alternate lizme, 1:04:44.560 --> 1:04:47.720 not that you can pick whether you're gay, straight, or 1:04:47.920 --> 1:04:50.680 you feel like you're assigned the wrong body parts from 1:04:50.760 --> 1:04:52.960 the jump, but you should be of allowed to talk 1:04:52.960 --> 1:04:53.720 to your kid about that. 1:04:55.320 --> 1:04:58.880 Well, okay, so it's not Again, we're not saying that 1:04:59.000 --> 1:05:02.000 parents can't talk to their children about that. But what 1:05:02.080 --> 1:05:06.120 we are saying is that, according to every governing board 1:05:06.160 --> 1:05:08.800 of every mental health profession out there, we are not 1:05:08.920 --> 1:05:12.680 allowed to engage in conversion therapy because it doesn't work. 1:05:13.920 --> 1:05:17.400 It doesn't work, it's ineffective. We're not allowed to engage 1:05:17.440 --> 1:05:20.880 in types of therapy that don't work. We have to 1:05:20.960 --> 1:05:26.120 engage in evidence based effective therapy, and conversion therapy doesn't work. 1:05:26.440 --> 1:05:29.760 It doesn't necessarily mean although actually I think most of 1:05:29.840 --> 1:05:32.480 us who practice therapy would agree that it's also a 1:05:32.600 --> 1:05:33.760 terrible thing to do. 1:05:34.520 --> 1:05:35.840 But it's ineffective. 1:05:37.280 --> 1:05:39.280 But again, as you said, though, the people doing this 1:05:39.360 --> 1:05:42.160 aren't licensed therapists. These are basically their past. 1:05:42.240 --> 1:05:44.920 They are are they now? Many of them are? Of 1:05:44.960 --> 1:05:45.280 them are. 1:05:45.480 --> 1:05:47.560 What I'm saying is, yeah, many of them are. What 1:05:47.600 --> 1:05:51.800 I'm saying is that the more extreme forms are a 1:05:52.200 --> 1:05:55.400 historical they're not happening as frequently now, and b when 1:05:55.400 --> 1:05:59.160 they are happening now, they are typically not practiced by 1:05:59.320 --> 1:06:02.840 licensed therapists or psychologists or psychiatrists. 1:06:03.080 --> 1:06:03.760 But there are. 1:06:03.720 --> 1:06:08.080 Licensed therapists, psychologists and psychiatrists who absolutely practice conversion therapy 1:06:08.640 --> 1:06:13.680 and unethically, in my opinion, because it's ineffective. It doesn't 1:06:14.000 --> 1:06:19.680 it's woefully it's woefully ineffective and incredibly damaging. Eighty eight 1:06:19.760 --> 1:06:23.680 percent increased risk of suicide as a result of conversion 1:06:23.680 --> 1:06:24.640 therapy practices. 1:06:24.760 --> 1:06:27.040 Eighty eight percent increased risk. That's a lot. 1:06:27.920 --> 1:06:32.400 Depression rates, high, anxiety rates, high, substance abuse, high, homelessness 1:06:32.480 --> 1:06:35.400 high as a result of conversion therapy practices. 1:06:35.840 --> 1:06:37.919 Is that also true though, one of the numbers when 1:06:37.920 --> 1:06:42.400 it comes to gay, transgendered lesbian youths too, because it's 1:06:42.440 --> 1:06:44.880 obviously very difficult, they're very high at a young age 1:06:44.920 --> 1:06:49.120 have a high number of mental issues as well, simply 1:06:49.160 --> 1:06:51.320 because of what they're going through. 1:06:52.360 --> 1:06:54.880 Actually, there are rates of mental health. 1:06:54.640 --> 1:06:58.120 Issues of the gay and lesbian transgender community when they 1:06:58.160 --> 1:07:01.400 have a supportive family environment, Yeah, are about the same 1:07:01.520 --> 1:07:04.840 as non gay lesbian transgender use if they're supportive and 1:07:04.960 --> 1:07:06.880 that's is that a majority of minority when they have 1:07:06.920 --> 1:07:10.760 the supportive family that's I'm hoping it becomes the majority, 1:07:10.760 --> 1:07:12.800 but right now I don't know that it is. But 1:07:13.120 --> 1:07:16.880 but the rate of mental health issues in the gay 1:07:16.920 --> 1:07:20.160 and lesbian transgender community is very similar to the rate 1:07:20.160 --> 1:07:23.240 of mental health issues in the non gay lesbian transgender 1:07:23.280 --> 1:07:26.440 youth community when they have a supportive family environment. When 1:07:26.480 --> 1:07:29.560 they don't have a supportive family environment, when things like 1:07:29.600 --> 1:07:32.600 conversion therapy are talked about are utilized, that's when the 1:07:32.680 --> 1:07:36.920 rates skyrocket. So it's not only an effected. It's incredibly damaging. 1:07:37.320 --> 1:07:39.600 And you know, if it were damaging but worked, I 1:07:39.640 --> 1:07:41.440 still wouldn't be in favor of it. But there might 1:07:41.480 --> 1:07:45.280 be an argument to be made, like chemotherapy for cancer 1:07:45.600 --> 1:07:48.520 is horrible to go through, but it's pretty effective curing 1:07:48.520 --> 1:07:49.040 the cancer. 1:07:49.560 --> 1:07:50.720 This doesn't work. 1:07:50.600 --> 1:07:53.920 Well, Like we don't do and lobotomies anymore for that 1:07:54.200 --> 1:07:54.640 very reason. 1:07:54.680 --> 1:07:55.080 Correct. 1:07:55.840 --> 1:07:57.720 Correct, We thought it was good science, but it's really 1:07:57.720 --> 1:08:00.880 not good science. Julietta Share a license mental expert this 1:08:00.920 --> 1:08:02.840 morning on the Scot Sloan Show and talking about this 1:08:03.000 --> 1:08:06.160 Supreme Court ruling eight one rolling by the High Court 1:08:06.240 --> 1:08:09.760 that took a sledgehammer conversion therapy bands across the country 1:08:10.000 --> 1:08:12.800 except for the talking part. So the court said, this 1:08:12.840 --> 1:08:15.200 is a First Amendment cases about speech, not medicine. Does 1:08:15.200 --> 1:08:17.759 that frame make sense to you, Like when a therapist 1:08:17.800 --> 1:08:20.519 is a session with a minor, what they're doing, like 1:08:20.560 --> 1:08:22.879 with you primarily a speech or is it a medical 1:08:22.880 --> 1:08:25.600 and or psychological? Where do you go from speech to 1:08:25.680 --> 1:08:26.439 actual intervention? 1:08:27.479 --> 1:08:28.559 Well, it really depends. 1:08:28.720 --> 1:08:30.760 It really depends on the type of therapist you are. 1:08:30.800 --> 1:08:34.599 So psychiatrists obviously can practice giving medicine and they can 1:08:34.640 --> 1:08:38.840 write prescriptions somatic therapists and play therapists very often do 1:08:38.960 --> 1:08:41.800 more physical things with kids and their clients. And I 1:08:41.800 --> 1:08:43.680 don't mean that in a creepy way. I just mean 1:08:43.680 --> 1:08:46.040 they do more physical kinds of things. I tend to 1:08:46.040 --> 1:08:48.680 just sit with my clients and talk to them. But 1:08:50.280 --> 1:08:54.080 the free speech piece of it is, therapists should be 1:08:54.160 --> 1:08:57.960 able to say, as humans in the US, anything that 1:08:58.040 --> 1:09:00.559 any other human in the US should be able to say, 1:09:00.680 --> 1:09:05.960 except when it goes against the ethics of our governing board, right, 1:09:06.160 --> 1:09:08.479 and this goes against the ethics of our governing board. 1:09:08.520 --> 1:09:11.760 So to frame it is a free speech issue to me, See, 1:09:11.720 --> 1:09:18.400 you're very, very wrong, because I can't, for example, say, hey, 1:09:18.840 --> 1:09:21.519 you know, injecting bleach into your veins is a really 1:09:21.520 --> 1:09:25.000 great cure for depression, because it isn't even if I 1:09:25.040 --> 1:09:28.320 think that. Even if I believe that, and I want 1:09:28.320 --> 1:09:30.760 to say that to my husband or my friends or 1:09:30.800 --> 1:09:33.479 my neighbor, that's fine. But if I want to say 1:09:33.479 --> 1:09:36.640 that to a client, ethically, I can't because it's not 1:09:36.960 --> 1:09:39.400 true and it's not evidence base. 1:09:39.520 --> 1:09:41.679 I guess here's the hard parway. So some therapists who 1:09:41.720 --> 1:09:45.360 practice this conversion therapy frame it as helping clients, they 1:09:45.400 --> 1:09:48.559 really believe it's helping them, but it also helps them 1:09:48.600 --> 1:09:51.200 align with their religious values, or at least the religious 1:09:51.200 --> 1:09:54.639 becauses are young people the religious values of their parents 1:09:54.920 --> 1:09:58.600 or their guardians. So, and this is more of I 1:09:58.600 --> 1:10:01.320 guess a lawyer question you. It's they're both under the 1:10:01.320 --> 1:10:04.600 First Amendment. Here is that a legitimate therapeutic goal in 1:10:04.640 --> 1:10:05.000 your view? 1:10:05.040 --> 1:10:05.240 Though? 1:10:05.240 --> 1:10:06.760 And where's the ethical line there? 1:10:08.600 --> 1:10:11.680 I think that that's a tough one, because you're right, 1:10:12.160 --> 1:10:15.639 the therapist that practice, yeah, the therapists that practice conversion 1:10:15.680 --> 1:10:21.080 therapy tend to be more fundamentally religious than those who don't, 1:10:21.479 --> 1:10:23.559 and then the clients who come to them are also that. 1:10:24.320 --> 1:10:26.680 And so which one is it? 1:10:26.960 --> 1:10:27.680 I don't know. 1:10:28.760 --> 1:10:32.840 I would believe, in my professional opinion that my professional 1:10:32.880 --> 1:10:33.960 ethics trump everything. 1:10:35.040 --> 1:10:35.920 I would believe that. 1:10:36.240 --> 1:10:38.120 I think that the governing boards of all of our 1:10:38.160 --> 1:10:43.400 professions would say that. And so if something is against 1:10:43.560 --> 1:10:47.040 my or if something is within my spiritual belief system 1:10:47.280 --> 1:10:49.880 but against my code of ethics, again, I might say 1:10:49.880 --> 1:10:51.640 it to my friends and family and my neighbors, but 1:10:51.720 --> 1:10:52.800 I probably wouldn't. 1:10:52.439 --> 1:10:54.479 Say it to a client. That would be me. 1:10:55.080 --> 1:10:57.000 But I don't know which one trumps which one. And 1:10:57.000 --> 1:10:59.360 that's a really interesting take on it that I frankly 1:10:59.479 --> 1:10:59.960 hadn't thought. 1:11:00.200 --> 1:11:02.960 Yeah, well, that's my job is to push you into 1:11:03.080 --> 1:11:05.040 the outer limits of correct. 1:11:05.800 --> 1:11:06.880 She is Julie head Is. 1:11:06.920 --> 1:11:09.800 You're a licensed mental health therapist Johns Show Everybody Mental 1:11:09.800 --> 1:11:13.040 Health Monday with Julie Hey Julie at Bconnected dot care. 1:11:13.080 --> 1:11:14.160 She practiced out of Clifton. 1:11:14.160 --> 1:11:16.880 If you're looking for more common concern or maybe a 1:11:16.920 --> 1:11:19.799 topic for a future segment, she's there for it. Jewels 1:11:19.840 --> 1:11:22.880 all the best, really thoughtful stuff this morning on a Monday. 1:11:22.880 --> 1:11:24.160 I don't want to think this much on a Monday, 1:11:24.240 --> 1:11:26.960 quite honestly, but well, thank you for being there. 1:11:26.920 --> 1:11:28.320 With me because I thought it was important. 1:11:28.439 --> 1:11:28.720 It was. 1:11:28.800 --> 1:11:33.680 I got your girl. Thanks, I have a great week. Yeah, 1:11:32.920 --> 1:11:35.880 I don't know. I look at the political side of 1:11:35.880 --> 1:11:38.360 this thing, because we do have a obviously we're fighting 1:11:38.400 --> 1:11:42.040 for freedom of religion. It doesn't mean freedom from religion, 1:11:42.040 --> 1:11:44.080 but freedom of religion. And I guess to me, the 1:11:44.240 --> 1:11:46.519 you know, looking at this and what we see, what 1:11:46.560 --> 1:11:49.559 the what what rules we put up for those parents 1:11:49.600 --> 1:11:55.400 who are trying to console a child about their sexual identity? 1:11:55.400 --> 1:11:57.200 For example, is it kind of about odds with this 1:11:58.200 --> 1:12:00.920 uh in that you know, this is about Christian values 1:12:00.920 --> 1:12:03.800 and conservative values and saying hey, listen, now, we don't 1:12:03.800 --> 1:12:05.960 accept that you're gay. We think we can beat the 1:12:05.960 --> 1:12:08.040 gay out of you, so to speak, which I never 1:12:09.040 --> 1:12:11.920 understood why or believe that to be the case. And 1:12:11.960 --> 1:12:13.680 I'm sure you can find people say no, oh it 1:12:13.720 --> 1:12:17.920 worked for me, Yeah did it? Conversely, you know, we 1:12:17.960 --> 1:12:20.040 also have laws that went up in Ohio to protect 1:12:20.479 --> 1:12:23.639 kids from you know, gender reassignment or at least even 1:12:24.040 --> 1:12:26.680 even the discussions that you're having about them when it 1:12:26.720 --> 1:12:29.439 comes to being gayer straight. So I don't know, it 1:12:29.479 --> 1:12:31.320 seems like to me that the laws a little backward 1:12:31.400 --> 1:12:33.599 here in a sense it needs to be consistent across 1:12:33.680 --> 1:12:38.680 the board that you know, the court came out and 1:12:38.720 --> 1:12:41.479 said that the conversion is a bad model to bad idea, 1:12:41.520 --> 1:12:43.840 and I had no idea about the rape and other stuff. 1:12:43.800 --> 1:12:47.080 That's that's I imagine someone actually let their kid do that. 1:12:47.080 --> 1:12:51.720 That's criminal to me because it goes to show you, 1:12:51.800 --> 1:12:53.960 I guess what's more important in your life. I don't know. 1:12:54.960 --> 1:12:56.800 Their challenges that you have to face in life, and 1:12:56.880 --> 1:12:58.519 that's one of them, and it's not with your religion. 1:12:58.520 --> 1:13:00.559 You kind of got to work through that. I don't know, 1:13:00.600 --> 1:13:03.960 having someone raped or forced masturbation. It seems a little extreme, 1:13:04.120 --> 1:13:06.439 beyond the extreme to me, and you wonder about screwing 1:13:06.479 --> 1:13:08.360 people up. But you know, the bottom line, as I said, 1:13:08.479 --> 1:13:10.760 is we're really bad at being parents, all of us. 1:13:10.920 --> 1:13:12.920 No one is really really good at it. Maybe the 1:13:12.920 --> 1:13:16.599 best parents are like, Okay, your kid's fairly well adjusted here, 1:13:16.600 --> 1:13:17.920 and that's the best you can hope for. And that's 1:13:17.920 --> 1:13:21.240 certainly not perfect. But there's a lot of imperfect people 1:13:21.240 --> 1:13:22.759 in the world, and has to do with their parents. 1:13:23.120 --> 1:13:24.680 And not that I'm blaming my mom and dad or 1:13:24.720 --> 1:13:26.880 you should blame your mom and dad, because their mom 1:13:26.880 --> 1:13:28.960 and dad also had a hand. And then as we 1:13:29.080 --> 1:13:32.519 decided to reproduce, we're equally as bad and maybe a 1:13:32.560 --> 1:13:35.400 little bit better in some ways, but maybe not as 1:13:35.439 --> 1:13:37.760 much as you think. I mean, parenting is a tough, 1:13:37.800 --> 1:13:40.680 tough job, and you got to do it's right by 1:13:40.680 --> 1:13:43.280 your kid. I guess that's the bottom line here. The 1:13:43.320 --> 1:13:44.960 court left some wiggle room here though in an eight 1:13:44.960 --> 1:13:47.840 to one thing that speech is speech, conduct is different, 1:13:47.960 --> 1:13:49.800 is what they said here. Got to get to news 1:13:49.800 --> 1:13:52.120 sloany seven hundred WWD Cincinnati. 1:13:52.520 --> 1:13:54.120 Do you want to be an American? 1:13:55.439 --> 1:13:59.639 Got flown here on seven hundred WW Always interesting things 1:13:59.680 --> 1:14:04.840 happen in Cincinnati. Of course, we're following the exploits of 1:14:05.200 --> 1:14:09.960 Frost Brown, Todd Gibbons v and the city the Terry Thigi, 1:14:10.040 --> 1:14:13.240 former police chief of Cincinnati. Last week we had all 1:14:13.240 --> 1:14:15.920 the experts on discussing the case that has now gone 1:14:15.920 --> 1:14:16.880 for well six months. 1:14:16.920 --> 1:14:17.080 Now. 1:14:17.120 --> 1:14:19.479 You fired someone and then six months later come up 1:14:19.479 --> 1:14:21.040 with the reasons as to why you fired her. And 1:14:21.080 --> 1:14:23.120 as you've read through, the nine page took six months 1:14:23.120 --> 1:14:25.080 to come out nine pages. By the way, if you're 1:14:25.080 --> 1:14:27.400 reading through all this, you go, well, I don't really 1:14:27.400 --> 1:14:31.120 see a smoking gun here. He was Cincinnati second in 1:14:31.200 --> 1:14:35.000 command and then the city manager forced him out, and 1:14:35.040 --> 1:14:37.240 he's watching the same thing happen to the woman who 1:14:37.280 --> 1:14:40.360 replaced him. It's Dave Bailey, Dave former CPD colonel and 1:14:40.479 --> 1:14:43.800 executive assistant chief. And you, marrycalled the story years ago, 1:14:44.000 --> 1:14:47.559 back in twenty eighteen that Chief Bailey he was under oath. 1:14:47.600 --> 1:14:50.280 He was forced out after overseeing an audit that found 1:14:50.640 --> 1:14:54.479 exorbitant amounts of overtime in his district, District five, and 1:14:54.479 --> 1:14:56.360 that was commanded by an officer alleged to be a 1:14:56.360 --> 1:15:01.360 close personal friend of then police Chief Elliott and Isaac's 1:15:01.360 --> 1:15:05.240 memo to city manager Harry Black accused Bailey becoming unmanageable 1:15:05.600 --> 1:15:09.200 despite years and years and years of having impeccable reviews. 1:15:10.160 --> 1:15:12.320 Does that sound familiar? It's like the same case all 1:15:12.360 --> 1:15:14.080 over again, Dave Bailey, Welcome to the show. 1:15:14.120 --> 1:15:14.519 How are you? 1:15:15.720 --> 1:15:15.880 Oh? 1:15:15.960 --> 1:15:16.080 Here? 1:15:16.160 --> 1:15:19.280 Mori scotten and thanks for reminding me of all that. 1:15:21.000 --> 1:15:23.200 It seems like yesterday, but it was long ago. As 1:15:23.200 --> 1:15:26.960 Bob Seeker said, now you know, you sadly got two 1:15:27.040 --> 1:15:30.759 years pay full pension cost attax payers like four hundred grand, 1:15:31.320 --> 1:15:32.920 and that is going to be a pittance compared to 1:15:32.960 --> 1:15:35.320 what happens with Chief Thigi. So let's jump right in 1:15:35.400 --> 1:15:39.000 because it's you know, historias repeats itself. She was the 1:15:39.040 --> 1:15:41.479 individual replace you and now she's in the same boat 1:15:41.479 --> 1:15:44.160 you are today. So when you watch city Manager Cheryl 1:15:44.200 --> 1:15:47.519 wrong play Stig on administrative leave last October, what went 1:15:47.520 --> 1:15:49.360 through your mind? Given what you went through that I 1:15:49.439 --> 1:15:51.839 just laid out, Yeah. 1:15:51.680 --> 1:15:52.599 I got back to the day. 1:15:52.760 --> 1:15:53.920 You know what happened to me. 1:15:54.000 --> 1:15:56.439 I'm like, no, no, no, no, I did the right thing. 1:15:56.479 --> 1:15:58.360 I did the right thing. I just know this, this 1:15:58.400 --> 1:16:01.040 can't be happening. And you know, we had an attorney 1:16:01.080 --> 1:16:03.200 to call down and yeah, sure enough, the city manager 1:16:03.200 --> 1:16:05.880 and the police chief no longer want this issue to 1:16:05.920 --> 1:16:08.880 be in the forefront. That was that overtime audit. And 1:16:08.880 --> 1:16:11.080 I'm like, well, I'm doing the right thing. Well, yeah, 1:16:11.080 --> 1:16:13.200 I don't matter, right, And I think, you know, I 1:16:13.200 --> 1:16:16.200 think when you look at this, you know, when you're 1:16:16.240 --> 1:16:21.479 in that position in the police department, when you're a CEO, Yeah, 1:16:22.000 --> 1:16:24.000 you got three banks of people you need to be 1:16:24.000 --> 1:16:25.320 aware of, and that's the people that. 1:16:25.360 --> 1:16:25.800 Work for you. 1:16:25.840 --> 1:16:28.800 Got there's thousands of people in that police department. You 1:16:28.840 --> 1:16:31.440 got to look out for them. You've got your communities 1:16:31.439 --> 1:16:34.639 that you have to be a tenant, that are needs, 1:16:34.680 --> 1:16:37.200 and let me tell you they're all different. But then 1:16:37.240 --> 1:16:40.040 it's the third one, and you've got to understand how 1:16:40.080 --> 1:16:45.360 to navigate the politics right. And you look at big 1:16:45.400 --> 1:16:49.080 city police chief departments across the country. She's still last 1:16:49.120 --> 1:16:51.639 to the chairs. And it's usually because of that third 1:16:52.200 --> 1:16:55.479 that third one. They didn't understand the political landscape. And 1:16:55.479 --> 1:17:00.160 that's usually what gets you know, somebody's police executives, which 1:17:00.240 --> 1:17:01.280 ultimately didn't only got me. 1:17:01.560 --> 1:17:04.240 So she got canned five days before the election, and 1:17:04.280 --> 1:17:06.200 the mayor says, well, it's not political at all. 1:17:06.360 --> 1:17:09.960 You're telling me it's one hundred percent political exactly. 1:17:10.000 --> 1:17:12.800 And I think I was told early on, if you 1:17:12.800 --> 1:17:14.679 want to rise to the ranks of the police department, 1:17:15.040 --> 1:17:17.320 you need to understand city Hall. Now you got a 1:17:17.360 --> 1:17:20.479 manage the Scott. I was able to work for the 1:17:20.600 --> 1:17:25.559 likes of Vali, Lemmy, Milton, Downey, Mayor Cranley, all of 1:17:25.600 --> 1:17:28.799 which the lines weren't blurred. They were law and order people. 1:17:28.840 --> 1:17:31.720 There were the relationship with the police department. Yeah, we 1:17:31.760 --> 1:17:33.320 don't want this in a neighborhoods do you need? What 1:17:33.320 --> 1:17:36.439 do you need to get this done? So when I 1:17:36.479 --> 1:17:38.880 was going through it, I felt like I had the 1:17:38.920 --> 1:17:43.840 full support the elected officials and the city and the mayor. 1:17:44.320 --> 1:17:47.240 We just had a city manager that didn't want this 1:17:47.320 --> 1:17:48.680 issue to rise at the forefront. 1:17:48.880 --> 1:17:52.479 Yeah, Dave Bailey, I read through the report. I had 1:17:52.520 --> 1:17:55.640 employment experts, lawyers, I had a human resources manager to 1:17:55.640 --> 1:17:57.760 look through this on the show, and they said, there's 1:17:57.760 --> 1:18:00.439 really not a lot. There's no answer as to if 1:18:00.439 --> 1:18:02.439 there were justifiable costs for for termination. 1:18:02.520 --> 1:18:03.599 Do you agree with that? Assessment. 1:18:05.040 --> 1:18:07.960 I agree, and I read that report too, and I 1:18:08.000 --> 1:18:10.000 and so many people have come on your show and said, 1:18:10.680 --> 1:18:13.040 we hear a lot of this, witnesses say, witness to say, 1:18:13.040 --> 1:18:16.599 whens to say, but who are these witnesses? And I remember, 1:18:16.960 --> 1:18:18.760 you know, I think you remember we went through this 1:18:20.040 --> 1:18:23.639 some years back with Chief Blackwell. When they decided they 1:18:23.680 --> 1:18:28.080 wanted to part ways with him. It wasn't witness has 1:18:28.080 --> 1:18:32.240 said it was. It was signed statements that were aired publicly. 1:18:33.200 --> 1:18:36.160 That's what was going on side the police department. So yes, 1:18:36.240 --> 1:18:39.160 this is a little head scutching because we got witnesses say, 1:18:39.320 --> 1:18:42.560 but it's not indicative as any major failure inside of 1:18:42.560 --> 1:18:43.320 the police department. 1:18:43.360 --> 1:18:44.800 One of the things came out, she just listen, I'm 1:18:44.800 --> 1:18:46.679 on the job for thirty five years and you worked 1:18:46.720 --> 1:18:49.439 in for I think thirty one years, so almost the 1:18:49.479 --> 1:18:51.920 same amount of time. And said, listen, I never really 1:18:51.960 --> 1:18:53.960 had anything of my jacket that said I did I 1:18:54.000 --> 1:18:56.400 was in subordinate anything bad. Everyone's going to have something 1:18:56.439 --> 1:18:58.800 in there, for sure, but nothing to rise the level 1:18:58.840 --> 1:19:00.760 of hate. You're going to be on on watch, We're 1:19:00.760 --> 1:19:02.040 gonna keep an eye on you, We're going to put 1:19:02.040 --> 1:19:05.600 you on probation. We need a change of your attitude. 1:19:05.720 --> 1:19:07.320 This thing just came out of the blue, kind of 1:19:07.400 --> 1:19:10.400 like with you. And when I hear that, and she said, listen, 1:19:10.439 --> 1:19:12.920 seven years, I've never had a review, uh and a 1:19:13.000 --> 1:19:16.840 plumber review. I had no idea this was coming. And 1:19:17.040 --> 1:19:18.679 the city said, well, that's just how we do things. 1:19:18.680 --> 1:19:21.880 We don't really do reviews. And what did you experience 1:19:22.080 --> 1:19:23.639 relative to that not that long ago. 1:19:25.280 --> 1:19:28.839 That's the same thing. Often there's not a former review, 1:19:29.479 --> 1:19:32.120 and sometimes I think that's done on purpose, so there's 1:19:32.160 --> 1:19:35.360 nothing to go back and look at. So typically when 1:19:35.400 --> 1:19:37.320 you're sitting in their chairs, you don't you don't see 1:19:37.320 --> 1:19:40.559 a review. And then when things aren't going away that 1:19:40.920 --> 1:19:43.439 you know somebody has seen all things they should go, 1:19:44.479 --> 1:19:46.800 you know, all of a sudden, it's like, well this 1:19:46.920 --> 1:19:50.160 isn't right and we're gonna we're going to seek the replace. 1:19:50.720 --> 1:19:52.600 And like I said, I was sitting that day, I'm like, 1:19:52.600 --> 1:19:55.000 wait a minute. I did what I was supposed to do. 1:19:55.080 --> 1:19:58.960 And you know, that audit was mandated by city hall. 1:19:59.080 --> 1:20:02.200 So we we had done two audits about overtime and 1:20:02.200 --> 1:20:04.600 it come up with the same findings. It's like this 1:20:04.840 --> 1:20:08.120 was mandated from the city Manager's office to duty audit, 1:20:08.760 --> 1:20:12.200 and then it's a city manager's audits, you know, office 1:20:12.240 --> 1:20:14.280 of saying no, we don't, we don't want to see 1:20:14.280 --> 1:20:15.040 this issue anymore. 1:20:15.120 --> 1:20:17.479 Yeah, which is the point. You know, if you don't 1:20:17.479 --> 1:20:19.360 have a review in seven years, there's a reason why. 1:20:19.400 --> 1:20:22.880 And it makes it that way, there's plausible deniability. It 1:20:22.960 --> 1:20:24.240 might call yeah, I don't know if it costs you 1:20:24.360 --> 1:20:26.040 less or more in the long run. And again, it's 1:20:26.080 --> 1:20:28.120 not their money, it's the taxpayer's money. So this is 1:20:28.120 --> 1:20:32.120 why history repeats itself, right. 1:20:32.280 --> 1:20:35.880 And you know I told you I reham have houses too, 1:20:35.880 --> 1:20:38.240 And you know I always said in that chair, and 1:20:38.439 --> 1:20:40.599 I'm not being a chiefs Gate, but I always looked 1:20:40.600 --> 1:20:43.599 at that money as that's my money. That's my money too, 1:20:43.680 --> 1:20:46.800 that's gott's. You know, if I can buy a gallon 1:20:46.800 --> 1:20:48.439 of paint for a thirty bucks, why am I going 1:20:48.520 --> 1:20:51.000 to spend fifty Let's let's make sure we take care 1:20:51.040 --> 1:20:53.120 of tax payer money. And I've always been that way, 1:20:53.200 --> 1:20:55.960 always goes look at that money is wait a minute, 1:20:56.080 --> 1:20:58.200 that's my money and I don't want to waste it either. 1:20:59.040 --> 1:21:00.800 And that's what we were trying and accomplished. It's not 1:21:00.840 --> 1:21:03.080 waste touch fare, let's spend it if we need too. 1:21:03.120 --> 1:21:03.840 I'm all for that. 1:21:04.360 --> 1:21:06.160 Yeah, you were told you were And in twenty two 1:21:06.200 --> 1:21:08.919 you're told to do an audit and you found overtime 1:21:08.960 --> 1:21:11.400 in District five that numbers that were incredible. I remember 1:21:11.400 --> 1:21:13.760 reading that story going only crap. These were like, you know, 1:21:13.880 --> 1:21:16.080 you're making like CEO money and you're a beat cop, 1:21:16.200 --> 1:21:18.720 Like what the hell is going on over here? And 1:21:18.760 --> 1:21:20.400 you were told to do that audit and then when 1:21:20.400 --> 1:21:22.960 you find the information, you're the guy that that was pushed, 1:21:22.960 --> 1:21:24.599 that fell on, but pushed on the sword. 1:21:25.840 --> 1:21:28.839 Well, I think it was, hey, we don't like this message. 1:21:28.840 --> 1:21:31.760 If there's only one way to get rid of the message, sure, 1:21:32.080 --> 1:21:34.839 and I think I think I think that's what happened. 1:21:35.600 --> 1:21:37.600 But when you look at that audit, I think the 1:21:37.680 --> 1:21:41.240 conclusions that audit were basically, hey, let's short this up, 1:21:41.439 --> 1:21:44.040 let's get some oversight here. Let's make you know, overtime 1:21:44.160 --> 1:21:47.840 a great thing, and and police departments you need over time. 1:21:47.840 --> 1:21:50.720 There's a sweet spot, you know, sometimes overtime is a 1:21:50.720 --> 1:21:52.360 great thing as opposed to hire an FPE. 1:21:53.320 --> 1:21:55.719 So I like overtime. I think it's it's. 1:21:55.560 --> 1:21:59.320 Well used, it's a great tool, but squandering it again. 1:21:59.680 --> 1:22:02.040 It's want on my money. It needs to control and 1:22:02.080 --> 1:22:04.240 that's all we were trying to say that audit, and 1:22:04.280 --> 1:22:07.599 that's beside the point. But what she sees you're going 1:22:07.600 --> 1:22:11.080 through now is the same thing I did, what you 1:22:11.120 --> 1:22:12.760 asked me did to do and why are you doing 1:22:13.000 --> 1:22:13.800 right well? 1:22:14.040 --> 1:22:15.960 And part of it to show to show these stories 1:22:16.000 --> 1:22:18.360 are are parallel here, Dave Bailey, with what you went 1:22:18.400 --> 1:22:21.240 through as a you know, the second in command essentially 1:22:21.240 --> 1:22:22.920 at CPD before you were sure in the door in 1:22:22.960 --> 1:22:26.120 twenty eighteen, for the same reason, Terry Fiji was uh, 1:22:26.240 --> 1:22:29.280 to some degree, is is overtime? She's like, look, you know, 1:22:30.320 --> 1:22:32.720 cops love overtime until you work them so hard that 1:22:32.760 --> 1:22:35.799 they don't. She was seeing the cop side of this, saying, listen, 1:22:36.560 --> 1:22:38.679 you know you're telling me have them work more overtime. 1:22:38.680 --> 1:22:41.000 But these men and women are working too much to 1:22:41.000 --> 1:22:44.080 the point where they need some relief. I can't continue 1:22:44.160 --> 1:22:47.879 to force them out there and force the mandatory overtime. 1:22:47.920 --> 1:22:49.720 It's it's just not working for us. We've got to 1:22:49.720 --> 1:22:51.559 come up with it. And that was looked at as 1:22:51.920 --> 1:22:55.760 insubordination and that she wasn't tough on crime. To the contrary, 1:22:55.960 --> 1:22:58.599 you're the you know, there's there's lawmakers who are still 1:22:58.600 --> 1:23:00.720 around that they're the reason why you're one hundred and 1:23:00.720 --> 1:23:01.479 fifty cops short. 1:23:01.520 --> 1:23:03.040 It's not Terry FIG's fault. 1:23:04.880 --> 1:23:07.640 Right, and that And that's one of consideration I was 1:23:07.640 --> 1:23:09.759 telling you about. You run a major city police department, 1:23:10.400 --> 1:23:12.840 you have to worry about your workforce. You've got to 1:23:12.920 --> 1:23:15.960 understand when they're tied. And I remember sitting up this good. 1:23:16.040 --> 1:23:18.439 I remember sit up there and we're having talks like 1:23:19.240 --> 1:23:22.439 are we pushing them too hard? You know, maybe maybe 1:23:22.479 --> 1:23:25.479 we have to back off. And we knew when summer 1:23:25.560 --> 1:23:28.479 was coming up. You know, summer's coming up. Let's back 1:23:28.520 --> 1:23:33.120 off for summer because we're getting Keep in mind, Cincinnati 1:23:33.680 --> 1:23:36.960 is an event laden city. It starts on Saint Patrick's 1:23:37.000 --> 1:23:39.400 Day and it runs all the way till the end 1:23:39.400 --> 1:23:41.920 of the year. So you get about six weeks where 1:23:41.960 --> 1:23:44.960 you got to retold that police department. By the end 1:23:44.960 --> 1:23:48.519 of February, you're up and running again. You're you're done, 1:23:48.720 --> 1:23:51.760 and it's you know, it's every weekend. And and I 1:23:51.760 --> 1:23:54.280 think the other thing about these jobs and chiefs DG 1:23:54.439 --> 1:23:56.160 can't talk, and I think I could talk a little bit. 1:23:56.920 --> 1:23:58.960 You don't realize if you immerse yourself in all this, 1:23:59.439 --> 1:24:02.439 you immerse self in that department, you immerse yourself and 1:24:02.520 --> 1:24:05.120 these neighbors. I remember, you know, with the Collaborative Agreement 1:24:05.160 --> 1:24:07.840 all that we're out there rebuild neighborhoods. We're out there 1:24:07.840 --> 1:24:10.000 working with these people on the streets trying to make 1:24:10.000 --> 1:24:10.880 these neighborhoods better. 1:24:11.280 --> 1:24:12.040 Which was a. 1:24:12.000 --> 1:24:14.559 Great thrill for me to watch north Side, watch College, 1:24:14.560 --> 1:24:17.640 You'll rebound, watch the Committee's become great again. But you 1:24:17.640 --> 1:24:20.559 know what, You become attached to these people, you become 1:24:20.600 --> 1:24:23.400 partners with them, You become immersed in all this, and 1:24:23.439 --> 1:24:26.679 then you're sitting in a chair saying we don't need you. 1:24:26.680 --> 1:24:29.719 You didn't do what we wanted you to do. Really, really, 1:24:30.080 --> 1:24:32.840 I plugged in. Everything goes on the city, and that's 1:24:32.880 --> 1:24:34.960 what you're gonna tell me. And I think that's the 1:24:35.040 --> 1:24:39.120 hard part, now, what it was over and you go 1:24:39.280 --> 1:24:41.760 through this the talk radio and then I heard it all, 1:24:41.840 --> 1:24:44.439 you know, and it's horrible for a week or two, 1:24:44.479 --> 1:24:46.599 and it's Dave barely chief fee. She goes on and 1:24:46.600 --> 1:24:49.200 on off. But then when you think about it, and 1:24:49.960 --> 1:24:52.759 I sat there one night, I'm like, you know what. Okay, 1:24:52.920 --> 1:24:54.920 it happened, but you know what, I did the right 1:24:54.920 --> 1:24:57.160 thing and that made it a little bit better for me. 1:24:57.280 --> 1:24:59.600 In the end. It's like, Okay, they don't need me, 1:24:59.640 --> 1:25:01.800 they don't won't meet it. Okay, So but I did 1:25:01.800 --> 1:25:04.720 the right thing and I found some soulis in that. 1:25:04.800 --> 1:25:05.479 I really like. 1:25:05.600 --> 1:25:07.719 Okay, I move on else. 1:25:08.840 --> 1:25:10.519 I know people and myself. You've been through it where 1:25:10.520 --> 1:25:13.439 you're fired, your jobs terminated. You know, not that you 1:25:13.640 --> 1:25:15.360 liked it, but you had more than two years pay 1:25:15.360 --> 1:25:17.479 in full pension. Most people don't get that. So that's 1:25:17.479 --> 1:25:19.599 a feather in your cap that you able to land 1:25:19.640 --> 1:25:21.600 on your feet squarely. But again it gets back to 1:25:21.640 --> 1:25:23.960 the issue. Dave Bailey's here, by the way, former CPD 1:25:24.080 --> 1:25:27.439 colonel executive assistant chief second in command by the way, 1:25:28.120 --> 1:25:31.479 under Chief Isaac and he was Cincinnati second we hasn't mentioned, 1:25:31.560 --> 1:25:33.840 and then the city manager forced him out. He's watching 1:25:33.880 --> 1:25:36.280 the same thing happen to the woman who replaced him. 1:25:36.320 --> 1:25:36.640 That's right. 1:25:36.680 --> 1:25:39.479 Terry Thiji actually replaced Dave Bailey back in the day 1:25:39.479 --> 1:25:40.320 in twenty eighteen. 1:25:40.600 --> 1:25:44.160 And I'll go full circle here. Teresa Thiji replaced you. 1:25:44.280 --> 1:25:46.479 She was described at the time as quote the breath 1:25:46.520 --> 1:25:49.040 of fresh air the department needed, and now witnesses in 1:25:49.120 --> 1:25:52.040 the same report that the city paid for and extended 1:25:52.040 --> 1:25:55.880 three times are using those exact same words to subscribe. 1:25:55.400 --> 1:25:58.200 Interim Chief Adam Haddie. What does that pattern tell. 1:25:58.080 --> 1:26:03.200 You The merry go round continues, don't Scott. It's like 1:26:03.880 --> 1:26:07.639 you know, and I I saw inter a Chief Hemmy 1:26:07.640 --> 1:26:10.840 on TV the other night, and now he's facing budget 1:26:10.920 --> 1:26:13.479 cut and he's facing difficulty. It's like, okay, now how 1:26:13.479 --> 1:26:16.040 do you navigate that? Know what's happened to me and 1:26:16.080 --> 1:26:16.760 what's happening to you? 1:26:16.840 --> 1:26:17.000 Think? 1:26:17.120 --> 1:26:19.479 Now, what how do you navigate through these waters? It's 1:26:19.560 --> 1:26:20.800 very tough, it really is. 1:26:23.200 --> 1:26:25.160 You got to like form some sort of broken Hearts 1:26:25.200 --> 1:26:27.960 club or something like that, right, I. 1:26:27.920 --> 1:26:30.760 Mean, well, you know what, and I will say this, 1:26:31.600 --> 1:26:34.519 I love that job even when times were bad, even 1:26:34.640 --> 1:26:37.640 when you know, the crisis came up, the shooting came up, 1:26:37.680 --> 1:26:40.240 and there was not a day that I didn't like 1:26:40.360 --> 1:26:43.799 doing it. But when it was time to go, okay, 1:26:43.800 --> 1:26:47.360 it's time to go, and and we move on. But 1:26:48.040 --> 1:26:49.840 and I hope Chief Sig can get that. I know 1:26:49.960 --> 1:26:52.760 right now it's a struggling and I know that she 1:26:52.880 --> 1:26:55.320 believed she was wrong, and I think it's pretty clear 1:26:55.400 --> 1:27:00.280 she was. But I couldn't imagine navigating a city, the 1:27:00.479 --> 1:27:03.240 city administration that she's trying to. Like I said at 1:27:03.240 --> 1:27:07.000 the opening, I didn't have that. John Cranley was a 1:27:07.040 --> 1:27:10.160 good mayor. You could go in when you needed something, John, 1:27:10.240 --> 1:27:10.760 what do you need? 1:27:10.920 --> 1:27:11.519 What do you need? 1:27:11.960 --> 1:27:13.920 Let's get this crime. Let's get this crime out of 1:27:13.920 --> 1:27:16.120 my city. And we got to elect official tier that's 1:27:16.120 --> 1:27:16.320 going to. 1:27:16.320 --> 1:27:18.320 Help you get that done. I don't think she had that. 1:27:18.400 --> 1:27:20.320 And I think when we look at what's been going 1:27:20.360 --> 1:27:23.120 on to city Hall, that's the unfortunate thing. They didn't 1:27:23.160 --> 1:27:23.800 have her back. 1:27:24.080 --> 1:27:27.000 That's the take on the guy who essentially the buck 1:27:27.040 --> 1:27:30.599 stopped with and fired you. What's your take and what's 1:27:30.600 --> 1:27:33.200 your perspective then on the current mayor after had purevoll 1:27:33.240 --> 1:27:34.559 and city manager share long. 1:27:37.200 --> 1:27:39.679 Well, from what I've seen, and I see a report 1:27:39.720 --> 1:27:45.360 that's very vague and we don't know who they interviewed, and. 1:27:48.160 --> 1:27:49.639 There's no documentation either. 1:27:49.680 --> 1:27:53.760 By the way they gave their statements but nothing was recorded, 1:27:54.560 --> 1:27:57.320 and some say that they only took the negatives out 1:27:57.320 --> 1:27:58.400 and included positives. 1:28:00.240 --> 1:28:03.479 Yeah, it seems like it's very disheartening. I can't imagine. 1:28:03.640 --> 1:28:06.960 I can't imagine what Chief dig you feels. It's like, really, 1:28:07.560 --> 1:28:10.679 and this is what you're gonna do. And like I said, 1:28:10.720 --> 1:28:13.680 you know, you give. I tell you, Scott is one 1:28:13.720 --> 1:28:17.120 of those jobs and you give thirty some years and 1:28:17.200 --> 1:28:20.120 really you don't realize until you're done. It's like I've 1:28:20.160 --> 1:28:23.160 put my life on hold. I've put my life on hold. 1:28:23.160 --> 1:28:24.120 For this agency. 1:28:25.040 --> 1:28:29.400 And you know, it's like you don't realize what it's like. 1:28:29.479 --> 1:28:31.519 You know, we here Scott's learn on the air every 1:28:31.560 --> 1:28:33.719 day talking to himself on a microphone. But there's hundreds 1:28:33.720 --> 1:28:35.519 of people to make that happen, right say, to the 1:28:35.560 --> 1:28:39.080 police department. There's hundreds of people that make that happen 1:28:39.120 --> 1:28:42.040 every day. You're not the expert. You rely on those people. 1:28:42.080 --> 1:28:45.120 You got relationships with those people. You know that thing 1:28:45.200 --> 1:28:48.360 continues every day and you just you know, that's the 1:28:48.439 --> 1:28:50.720 part that really hurts. It's like, you know what, all 1:28:50.760 --> 1:28:54.200 these people that I work with, and that's I think 1:28:54.240 --> 1:28:55.679 you said it the other day, you had a guest 1:28:55.720 --> 1:28:59.680 on It's always about the people. It's always, yeah, it's 1:28:59.680 --> 1:29:01.600 always people. You know, you might have a boss, you 1:29:01.640 --> 1:29:04.080 don't like you might have a situation I like, but 1:29:04.160 --> 1:29:06.799 you love those people. You love those people in your agency, 1:29:06.840 --> 1:29:09.240 you love the people in the neighborhoods, and that's the 1:29:09.280 --> 1:29:11.080 part to probably get to mourn anything else. 1:29:11.800 --> 1:29:15.120 What does the twenty twenty sixth version of Dave Bailey 1:29:15.200 --> 1:29:17.759 say to the twenty twenty sixth version of Teresa Thiji, 1:29:17.760 --> 1:29:19.240 who's going through the same thing you did. 1:29:22.320 --> 1:29:25.719 I think you you got a great attorney. You listen 1:29:25.760 --> 1:29:27.880 to your attorney. And I knew that was kind of 1:29:27.880 --> 1:29:29.599 hard for me because I want, I want to want. 1:29:30.200 --> 1:29:33.120 You need to listen. You need to listen because we're 1:29:33.120 --> 1:29:34.040 giving you the best advice. 1:29:34.120 --> 1:29:35.200 We can't listen. 1:29:35.600 --> 1:29:39.120 You do what's right. If for any police administrator, I've 1:29:39.160 --> 1:29:42.439 always said this in even afterwards, I hate people going 1:29:42.479 --> 1:29:44.880 to me, what would you do different? I'm sitting in 1:29:44.920 --> 1:29:47.800 that chair, andel, what would you do different? That's a 1:29:47.880 --> 1:29:51.960 simple answer. Do what the people paid you to do. 1:29:52.600 --> 1:29:55.599 If you do that, if you get in those chairs 1:29:56.000 --> 1:29:58.240 and you do what you're supposed to do, you watch 1:29:58.240 --> 1:30:01.200 out for taxpayers, you watch out. You give it best 1:30:01.200 --> 1:30:03.560 police service you can, and if they don't want you, 1:30:03.560 --> 1:30:05.519 you can walk out saying what I'm supposed to do 1:30:06.400 --> 1:30:09.200 and you move forward. That's the best advice I've given him. 1:30:09.360 --> 1:30:11.439 You know, if your trees of Fiji, you know, you 1:30:11.479 --> 1:30:14.040 listen your attorney, you pursue what you need to pursue 1:30:14.040 --> 1:30:16.800 to make yourself whole. But at the end of the day, 1:30:17.680 --> 1:30:19.600 you do you do what's right. And if you do 1:30:19.680 --> 1:30:21.960 what's right, and you do your job and you watch 1:30:21.960 --> 1:30:24.160 out for the things you're supposed to watch out for. Work, okay, 1:30:24.479 --> 1:30:27.080 what's supposed to do. I wish, I wish you makes 1:30:27.080 --> 1:30:29.200 god better luck. And I think I said that one 1:30:29.320 --> 1:30:31.360 when Chief Dijan moved in. I wish they're better luck 1:30:31.400 --> 1:30:32.240 than what I had with this. 1:30:32.479 --> 1:30:35.200 Yeah, yeah, but it looks like it's the same cycle. 1:30:35.200 --> 1:30:37.200 A look that That's why I said, it's a broken 1:30:37.200 --> 1:30:39.599 hearts club. And you can probably have a pretty good 1:30:39.600 --> 1:30:41.559 sized room full of people who have been shafted by 1:30:41.600 --> 1:30:45.360 the city and by politicians, uh for doing their job essentially, 1:30:45.400 --> 1:30:48.840 whether it's you or Terry Figi, because certainly crime levels 1:30:48.880 --> 1:30:50.960 don't look like they have improved since she's gone. But 1:30:51.240 --> 1:30:53.120 and I you know, I wish Chief Handy all the luck. 1:30:53.120 --> 1:30:56.080 Seems like a good guy. It's not about the individual, 1:30:56.360 --> 1:30:59.280 it's about the circumstances in how they choose the ex 1:30:59.400 --> 1:31:03.120 chief of the City Cincinnati or those in command. I 1:31:03.160 --> 1:31:05.240 asked you, you know what advice you would give from 1:31:05.280 --> 1:31:07.599 what you learned in twenty eighteen to t chief feed 1:31:07.640 --> 1:31:09.360 each today and just lay that thing out. 1:31:09.640 --> 1:31:10.479 Uh what can she? 1:31:11.000 --> 1:31:13.559 I suppose It's true of anybody, right if you retire, 1:31:13.680 --> 1:31:15.679 you have this reason why people hang on the jobs. 1:31:15.880 --> 1:31:17.920 Outside of money, of course, is the fear of the unknown. 1:31:18.000 --> 1:31:20.479 You lose your job. There's this great fear it's gonna 1:31:20.520 --> 1:31:21.280 work out for her. 1:31:21.240 --> 1:31:21.679 Isn't it. 1:31:23.280 --> 1:31:27.160 It is? I mean, one way or another, she couldn't 1:31:27.200 --> 1:31:28.519 wind up moving on to something else. 1:31:28.560 --> 1:31:29.960 And I was lucky. 1:31:30.000 --> 1:31:32.639 I walked out that day and I think I started 1:31:32.640 --> 1:31:35.519 rehabibility for the next day home. Yeah, I think I 1:31:35.520 --> 1:31:38.559 did buy a new a new rehab van. I think 1:31:38.640 --> 1:31:40.040 I walked out there. You know what I think I'm 1:31:40.040 --> 1:31:41.640 gonna I'm gonna buy a dry all the month. But 1:31:42.560 --> 1:31:44.000 I was able to do that, and I would I 1:31:44.000 --> 1:31:48.000 would tell anybody, especially in the policing industry. You know 1:31:48.040 --> 1:31:51.360 when you make that accit, you know, have that plan B. 1:31:52.320 --> 1:31:54.360 And you know I her Kan Kob talking the other day, 1:31:54.400 --> 1:31:57.040 and this is very important. Whatever you gonna do with 1:31:57.040 --> 1:32:01.640 the police chief. We're sitting right now in April and 1:32:01.760 --> 1:32:03.439 things are going to start to move in the city, 1:32:04.040 --> 1:32:07.839 and they move quick, and you need to get somebody 1:32:07.960 --> 1:32:11.479 in that chair and support them and get the department 1:32:11.560 --> 1:32:14.479 move in the right direction. That's very important. Actually, we're 1:32:14.479 --> 1:32:16.559 a little bit late right now, because you know, Saint 1:32:16.600 --> 1:32:19.479 Patrick's day is here and gone, and that's when this 1:32:19.560 --> 1:32:22.080 season really starts to ramp up. We got Tasters and 1:32:22.080 --> 1:32:24.799 Adi coming up. We've got all these things come up downtown, 1:32:24.840 --> 1:32:28.360 and it moves, It moves very Look look what. 1:32:28.320 --> 1:32:29.160 Happened on opening day. 1:32:29.200 --> 1:32:30.960 And I hope that's not a precursor for the coming 1:32:31.040 --> 1:32:34.000 year because Adam Henny's plate is already full. But I 1:32:34.040 --> 1:32:35.519 wish that guy all the luck in the world. He's 1:32:35.520 --> 1:32:37.120 going to need it because he's trying to run this 1:32:37.400 --> 1:32:40.400 place department with it sounds like one hand tied behind 1:32:40.400 --> 1:32:40.800 his back. 1:32:40.840 --> 1:32:41.080 He is. 1:32:41.320 --> 1:32:44.320 Dave Bailey jumping on the show this morning, has walked 1:32:44.360 --> 1:32:48.920 in Teresa Thiji's shoes and sadly, almost the exact same 1:32:48.960 --> 1:32:51.160 circumstances that Terry Fiji went through. 1:32:51.400 --> 1:32:52.680 Dave, Thanks for checking in, man. 1:32:52.880 --> 1:32:56.360 I appreciate it and for coming on and sharing this 1:32:56.400 --> 1:32:59.479 insight here because I think it's important perspective when it 1:32:59.479 --> 1:33:01.840 comes to tag pairs and the good people of Cincinnati 1:33:02.080 --> 1:33:03.559 and who's really running the show there. 1:33:04.760 --> 1:33:06.960 Yeah, thanks for having me on it. And again, Cincinnati 1:33:07.000 --> 1:33:10.400 is such a great place. And I always said, you know, 1:33:10.640 --> 1:33:14.680 the people of Cincinnati, they deserve so much better, and 1:33:14.880 --> 1:33:16.519 I hope we get it. And then I guess to 1:33:16.560 --> 1:33:16.880 get up. 1:33:17.080 --> 1:33:17.639 I think we can. 1:33:17.720 --> 1:33:19.080 We can do it all the best. 1:33:21.200 --> 1:33:23.400 And again I was shared by the best. 1:33:23.439 --> 1:33:26.200 All right, take care of my friend Ahi. Thanks, yep, 1:33:26.240 --> 1:33:26.680 see you later. 1:33:26.680 --> 1:33:30.720 They're Dave Bailey, former second command twenty eighteen. He is 1:33:31.000 --> 1:33:34.479 let go for discovering a lot of overtime being spent 1:33:34.520 --> 1:33:36.519 that should have been spent, and they fired him, but 1:33:36.640 --> 1:33:38.720 they asked him to do the investigation. He had the 1:33:38.760 --> 1:33:42.400 answers and they shoot the messenger sound familiar, sloony seven 1:33:42.479 --> 1:33:47.920 hundred w Ald. We'll do a bloat day like drunk 1:33:47.960 --> 1:33:52.320 from ham Get the hamm. Hammon is great man holding 1:33:52.320 --> 1:33:55.120 on to some water much. You got me? You know 1:33:55.160 --> 1:33:58.320 what I'm talking about here? Post Easter should be something 1:33:58.360 --> 1:34:01.679 on Monday with the uh. I don't the sodium hangover 1:34:01.760 --> 1:34:05.519 that you won sodium candy. It's too damn much. It's 1:34:05.520 --> 1:34:09.599 too much Scott flowing here, seven hundred WLW. We've got 1:34:09.720 --> 1:34:12.200 Willy coming up about a half hour. Reds on radio tonight. 1:34:12.360 --> 1:34:15.000 And maybe you weren't paying attention because the holiday weekend 1:34:15.040 --> 1:34:17.160 is here, the weather was nice. Maybe didn't get a 1:34:17.240 --> 1:34:19.200 chance to watch or listen to too much of it. 1:34:19.240 --> 1:34:21.280 I feel you. That's the beauty of baseball. Play so 1:34:21.280 --> 1:34:23.679 many games you know you're gonna wind up missing a few. 1:34:24.560 --> 1:34:27.839 The Reds went into a Globe Life Field in Arlington 1:34:27.880 --> 1:34:30.240 Easter weekend and left with a three game I said, 1:34:30.280 --> 1:34:34.080 three games sweep of the Rangers, first time the Reds 1:34:34.120 --> 1:34:38.519 have had this record this many games in since two 1:34:38.520 --> 1:34:41.280 thousand and one. Well, they won five three to two 1:34:41.439 --> 1:34:45.400 ZIP two one yesterday, outscoring Texas ninety four and held 1:34:45.400 --> 1:34:49.080 the Rangers below a sub two hundred batting average. 1:34:49.160 --> 1:34:50.519 No heirs in three games by this. 1:34:50.680 --> 1:34:52.040 I know, I know it. I know it's a first 1:34:52.040 --> 1:34:56.160 away series of the year. It's early April, but you 1:34:56.200 --> 1:34:58.120 gotta walk away happy if you're a Reds fan. Jeff 1:34:58.160 --> 1:35:01.320 Carry usually joins the show. He is on vacation this week. 1:35:01.640 --> 1:35:04.840 Every time Jeff Carr from lockdown. Reds goes on vacation, 1:35:04.880 --> 1:35:07.400 the Reds go on a heater. Maybe the red should 1:35:07.400 --> 1:35:10.880 get him on the payroll just to stay on vacation permanently. 1:35:12.160 --> 1:35:13.720 But I will set it up in the game later 1:35:13.760 --> 1:35:19.040 tonight against Miami. I said, you know what, I don't 1:35:19.080 --> 1:35:21.360 know when I'm gonna get the you know, the Reds 1:35:21.400 --> 1:35:24.640 package reads it's a hundred bucks and this week, and 1:35:24.680 --> 1:35:26.760 I'm like, I don't want to watch some baseball threw 1:35:26.800 --> 1:35:31.040 the hundred bucks down, And I got to say, after 1:35:31.080 --> 1:35:33.800 watching some of a lot of it, the rotation is 1:35:33.840 --> 1:35:38.080 pitching like it has something to prove after what happened 1:35:38.680 --> 1:35:42.960 with not only Nick Lodolo, but with Hunter Green, the chaos, 1:35:42.960 --> 1:35:46.240 the injuries. The bullpen's holding leads. So Friday, Brady Singer 1:35:46.240 --> 1:35:48.880 comes in and gives you five innings, kept it competitive, 1:35:49.240 --> 1:35:52.120 the pen closes it out. Tony Santian got the winning relief, 1:35:52.120 --> 1:35:54.599 Pegan got the save. But Gon has been the only 1:35:54.640 --> 1:35:58.040 one to me is like not looking like the guy 1:35:58.080 --> 1:36:01.879 they just signed. But Saturday, Rhet Louder, he was just filthy. 1:36:02.600 --> 1:36:05.240 Six shot out innings, held Texas to what three hits, 1:36:06.000 --> 1:36:10.800 only walk two, and the Arrangers went oh for ten rsip. 1:36:11.160 --> 1:36:14.800 That's the kind of start that changes. I think the 1:36:14.840 --> 1:36:17.120 moment of this fan base, quite honestly, of redg nation 1:36:17.320 --> 1:36:20.680 is you look at a younger pitcher like Rhet Louder man, 1:36:20.720 --> 1:36:23.920 you can the bibblehead's going to come next week, I think. 1:36:23.960 --> 1:36:25.880 And then yesterday Chase Burns was the best start of 1:36:25.880 --> 1:36:28.400 the weekend. I thought, Okay Singer was solid, Rhet louder 1:36:28.439 --> 1:36:30.680 was a little a lot better. Chase Burns was just 1:36:30.920 --> 1:36:35.360 mind blowingly good. Six innings, nine k's and one round allowed. 1:36:35.400 --> 1:36:38.200 He's ad a one to five er way two weeks 1:36:38.240 --> 1:36:38.880 into the season. 1:36:38.920 --> 1:36:39.160 ERA. 1:36:39.280 --> 1:36:41.439 Two weeks in the season and the man they accorded 1:36:41.439 --> 1:36:43.240 to be the ace is pitching like one for sure. 1:36:43.320 --> 1:36:46.160 Brock Burke comes in instead of Pegan and slams the 1:36:46.200 --> 1:36:48.960 door shut three strikeouts in the ninth with the save, 1:36:49.479 --> 1:36:52.760 no question about it. In the Reds combined era for 1:36:52.760 --> 1:36:55.160 the Reds pitching under two runs a game against the 1:36:55.240 --> 1:36:57.200 Rangers lineup. By the way, that remember went to the 1:36:57.240 --> 1:36:59.439 World Series not too long ago. Not the same team 1:36:59.479 --> 1:37:02.439 I know, I know, but that's still in a recent memory. 1:37:03.280 --> 1:37:04.920 And the thing is the team isn't beating you with 1:37:04.920 --> 1:37:07.559 a sledgehammer. They just they're grinding these wins out. This 1:37:07.640 --> 1:37:10.519 is a grind right now. Ellie though, had a hit 1:37:10.600 --> 1:37:13.160 in the all three games homeward on Friday, drove and 1:37:13.240 --> 1:37:16.519 run Saturday and yesterday, and he's doing exactly what we 1:37:16.640 --> 1:37:19.280 thought he needed to do in what this lineup needs 1:37:19.320 --> 1:37:21.639 him to do to be a presence the other team 1:37:21.640 --> 1:37:24.479 has to plan around, for sure. Spencer Seer two for four, 1:37:24.840 --> 1:37:28.559 he looks back, home run, two rbi Friday, just consistent. 1:37:28.640 --> 1:37:31.800 Todder Stevenson after starting a little chili homer and two 1:37:31.920 --> 1:37:35.519 RBI on Friday. When he's in the lineup, it looks 1:37:35.560 --> 1:37:37.400 like that catcher spot has some real depth for sure. 1:37:37.400 --> 1:37:40.439 And then Matt McClain, who was extremely disappointing by every 1:37:40.479 --> 1:37:43.800 metric last year. He continues two hits in games one 1:37:43.800 --> 1:37:46.040 and two. He's getting on base, he's creating traffic. And 1:37:46.560 --> 1:37:49.760 Gino drove in the go ahead run on Sunday, and 1:37:49.800 --> 1:37:52.080 that was on a rare bas it it's either home 1:37:52.160 --> 1:37:55.719 run or strikeout. He hits a knock right between second 1:37:55.760 --> 1:37:58.320 and short to drive the go ahead run running on 1:37:58.360 --> 1:38:00.559 Sunday after they had tied it up. Reds wind up 1:38:00.600 --> 1:38:04.639 winning that ball game. Yesterday, Texas was four for twenty six. 1:38:04.680 --> 1:38:06.960 I mentioned with runners in scoring position during the series, 1:38:07.479 --> 1:38:09.679 and you know, go, well, they're just slumping. 1:38:09.720 --> 1:38:11.000 I guess if you're a Rangers, I don't know. 1:38:11.080 --> 1:38:13.960 I think that's the Reds pitching staff executing the plan. 1:38:16.960 --> 1:38:18.760 They had a couple of airs I know in Game 1:38:18.800 --> 1:38:22.360 two that buried them in that shutout. They've got pretty 1:38:22.400 --> 1:38:24.280 good arms in that bullpen, but they couldn't do anything, 1:38:24.360 --> 1:38:28.160 didn't get comfortable against the lineup that the Red Legs have. 1:38:28.400 --> 1:38:30.200 So two weeks into the season, the Reds are playing 1:38:30.200 --> 1:38:32.680 to win in baseball. The rotation is healthy right now. 1:38:32.720 --> 1:38:36.880 Burns Louder Singer looks sharp and a massive swing from 1:38:36.920 --> 1:38:38.200 the and we know when you're not going, man, why 1:38:38.200 --> 1:38:39.800 don't we get Lodola back? When are we getting a 1:38:39.840 --> 1:38:42.920 Hunter greenback? When those concerned, when we're not thinking about 1:38:42.920 --> 1:38:45.040 those guys, it goes to show you how good they are, 1:38:45.080 --> 1:38:46.240 and then you get them back to the line of 1:38:46.320 --> 1:38:51.479 good Lord, watch out and the bullpen. Certainly, burke Is 1:38:51.600 --> 1:38:54.679 was absolutely lights out. Pegan kind of had a rough start. 1:38:54.720 --> 1:38:56.400 Maybe it looks like he's getting it back together. It 1:38:56.439 --> 1:38:58.719 was a now bier when he came in this weekend. 1:38:59.320 --> 1:39:01.920 But the sweep, I think tells you that this team 1:39:01.960 --> 1:39:05.439 can win low scoring games, which was not part of 1:39:05.439 --> 1:39:10.000 the Reds fabric last season, the years before, you know, 1:39:10.120 --> 1:39:11.960 and earlier this. Yeah, I mean one of the games 1:39:12.960 --> 1:39:16.439 against Pittsburgh's like the runs, the leads, a small lead's 1:39:16.439 --> 1:39:19.000 not gonna hold. Well, guess what that was last week. 1:39:19.360 --> 1:39:22.479 Now it's a different story. And granted it's one road 1:39:22.560 --> 1:39:25.600 series against one team. Will find out more tonight, but 1:39:26.120 --> 1:39:27.880 you know, you got to be encouraged if you're a 1:39:27.920 --> 1:39:30.840 Reds fan that they don't really need a beginning. That's 1:39:30.840 --> 1:39:32.640 how good teams win in October, and right now the 1:39:32.640 --> 1:39:34.960 Reds are playing that kind of baseball that will win 1:39:35.040 --> 1:39:37.519 games in October. So they said they're off to Miami, 1:39:37.600 --> 1:39:40.559 nex got the Marlins chance to run that winning streak 1:39:40.600 --> 1:39:43.639 further knock on wood. If everybody can stay healthy, particularly 1:39:43.760 --> 1:39:47.240 pitching rotation looks good enough to keep them in the 1:39:47.240 --> 1:39:49.000 central race hunt well in the summer. And they're right 1:39:49.000 --> 1:39:50.880 there right now, just to game back a first place 1:39:52.160 --> 1:39:54.519 and it being at six and three, best record they've 1:39:54.520 --> 1:39:57.439 had since so won the best started anyway. Miami, though, 1:39:57.439 --> 1:39:59.000 This is the interesting because you think Miami is just 1:39:59.080 --> 1:40:01.160 terrible and be terrible for all long time. But they're 1:40:01.160 --> 1:40:04.519 at five and three right now. The surprising story of 1:40:04.560 --> 1:40:07.680 the NL East Red six and three, Miami five and 1:40:07.720 --> 1:40:10.800 three and the Marlin is supposed to be that that 1:40:11.000 --> 1:40:13.720 you know they're in rebuild mode, but clearly did not 1:40:13.760 --> 1:40:16.400 get the memo from corporate there. And it's a pretty 1:40:16.439 --> 1:40:18.519 competitive East. You got the Mets, you get the Braves 1:40:18.520 --> 1:40:21.720 six and four, and I think you know, certainly in 1:40:21.720 --> 1:40:24.559 this very very young season, this is a really good 1:40:24.560 --> 1:40:27.880 first test for them against his club. Because Miami just 1:40:27.880 --> 1:40:29.800 got roughed up at Yankee Stadium and got blown out 1:40:29.840 --> 1:40:30.800 on Friday eight to two. 1:40:31.680 --> 1:40:33.320 They lost a shootout. 1:40:32.840 --> 1:40:37.080 On Saturday nine to seven, and you know, they come 1:40:37.080 --> 1:40:39.720 home a little beat up. Their pitching staff spin in 1:40:39.840 --> 1:40:42.080 high scoring environments all weekend. It's gonna make them tired. 1:40:42.320 --> 1:40:42.479 You know. 1:40:42.720 --> 1:40:44.600 You look at the runs that they the runs, but 1:40:44.600 --> 1:40:46.479 they put up more runs than two combined for cright 1:40:46.520 --> 1:40:49.400 out loud, the last year's the Reds had. So that's 1:40:49.400 --> 1:40:52.280 a pretty stiff contrast. And then coming into a Reds 1:40:52.280 --> 1:40:54.479 team that held Texas to four runs in three games, 1:40:54.960 --> 1:40:58.280 and that's also a team built around pitching built around defense, 1:40:59.200 --> 1:41:01.680 and the roof will be closed, and we saw that 1:41:01.760 --> 1:41:04.559 last year. Of course, they close that roof or open 1:41:04.600 --> 1:41:07.560 the roof, depending who's pitching for the opposing team. The 1:41:07.600 --> 1:41:10.639 most pitcher friendly environment in the NL, So the Reds 1:41:11.000 --> 1:41:13.160 grinding that two run wins isn't going to change as 1:41:13.200 --> 1:41:17.759 the opponent does. Chase Burns yesterday, Red Louder Saturday. Singer 1:41:17.880 --> 1:41:19.479 was Friday, so we get to see the back end 1:41:19.520 --> 1:41:22.479 of rotation tonight and how the Reds manage those games, 1:41:22.520 --> 1:41:25.800 whether the bullpen can bridge those gaps. Think that'll be 1:41:25.800 --> 1:41:27.759 the story for at least the first couple of games, 1:41:28.640 --> 1:41:30.599 and then he gets Singer Louder. Burns could be available 1:41:30.640 --> 1:41:34.280 again by Wednesday Thursday, and Pegan I'm guessing the close, 1:41:34.320 --> 1:41:36.679 although you know he had that one rough outing struggle 1:41:36.720 --> 1:41:39.040 a little bit, but hopefully he gets back in the Gruz. 1:41:39.479 --> 1:41:41.920 I can't wait to see La de la Cruz, who, 1:41:41.920 --> 1:41:44.200 as I said, had hits on all three games against 1:41:44.240 --> 1:41:47.639 Texas and Homer done Friday, looks a lot more disciplined 1:41:47.640 --> 1:41:50.240 to play play and of course you know his whole thing. 1:41:50.280 --> 1:41:53.559 He sees a lot more muscular, leaner, a lot more 1:41:53.560 --> 1:41:56.800 focused as well, and the way Marlin's pitching looks, I 1:41:56.800 --> 1:41:58.920 think it's gonna be a little different than you know. 1:41:58.960 --> 1:42:01.240 You're gonna see a lot of off speed down on 1:42:01.280 --> 1:42:04.160 the zone, stuff like that. Middle Reds middle Lions get 1:42:04.200 --> 1:42:07.040 a problem for Miami for sure. But the Moderlins rotation. 1:42:07.080 --> 1:42:09.439 I was just reading this right before the news break. 1:42:09.439 --> 1:42:13.559 Here they have quietly developed a very young, very good 1:42:13.840 --> 1:42:15.760 pitching staff to keep came close. So the Reds are 1:42:15.760 --> 1:42:18.320 gonna have to be patient, work the count, and it's 1:42:18.320 --> 1:42:20.479 going to be you know, if you thought this last 1:42:20.520 --> 1:42:23.720 series was a grind, I'm guessing the Miami series is 1:42:23.720 --> 1:42:25.760 going to be probably even more sover grind as well. 1:42:26.240 --> 1:42:27.680 And you know, you look at it, I think the 1:42:27.720 --> 1:42:30.200 Reds are a better team right now. And you got momentum, 1:42:30.520 --> 1:42:32.800 you got arrested top of the rotation, you got arms 1:42:32.840 --> 1:42:35.000 coming back, you got guys starting to hit their stride 1:42:35.680 --> 1:42:37.920 very early in the season, and the hits are coming 1:42:37.960 --> 1:42:40.680 in very timely fashion. So the only risk I think 1:42:40.680 --> 1:42:44.080 would be complacency at this point. And remember, Miami's got 1:42:44.120 --> 1:42:46.400 that home field advantage like no other. That park is 1:42:46.880 --> 1:42:49.760 something else, kind of like the course field of the East. 1:42:49.800 --> 1:42:52.519 If you a different double, different thing. But depending on 1:42:52.560 --> 1:42:54.519 what that roof, what they do with that roof, it's 1:42:54.520 --> 1:42:57.000 a whole different ballgame down there in Miami. So what 1:42:57.040 --> 1:42:59.479 are you hoping for now? Obviously, sweep would be an 1:42:59.560 --> 1:43:02.680 unbelievab statement. You sweep back to back series, that is 1:43:02.800 --> 1:43:06.280 the call for Major League Baseball that the Reds are 1:43:06.360 --> 1:43:09.040 here and they're not going away. But how three of four? 1:43:10.000 --> 1:43:13.639 That would be incredible as well, I know it. Splitting 1:43:13.680 --> 1:43:16.040 the series of two and two would be a pretty 1:43:16.200 --> 1:43:19.160 big disappointment. I think losing the season would be here 1:43:19.200 --> 1:43:21.200 we go again. We'll be panicking a week from now. 1:43:21.240 --> 1:43:23.240 But it's exactly the kind of series if you're a 1:43:23.280 --> 1:43:26.920 playoff contender you need to handle at home. Cincinnati's away, 1:43:26.960 --> 1:43:29.960 but they got the pitching, the momentum, So I don't know. 1:43:30.000 --> 1:43:31.759 I'm hoping for three or four, if not an outright 1:43:31.760 --> 1:43:34.519 sweep starting tonight, and we'll have the call for you 1:43:34.600 --> 1:43:38.400 here on the Home of the Reds seven hundred ww Cincinnati. 1:43:38.640 --> 1:43:39.519 What else going on? 1:43:39.800 --> 1:43:41.559 Willie is going to take care of things starting at 1:43:41.560 --> 1:43:45.120 twelve six this afternoon. I'm sure he'll be discussing what's 1:43:45.120 --> 1:43:48.040 happening in the situation and Iran tomorrow like around one o'clock. 1:43:48.360 --> 1:43:50.160 Again, this is just fluid, so we don't know. 1:43:50.200 --> 1:43:54.040 But the President was going to address from the Situation room, 1:43:54.080 --> 1:43:56.599 I believe it was the White House and the threats 1:43:56.640 --> 1:43:59.599 that he made yesterday a relative to Iran, saying hey 1:43:59.640 --> 1:44:04.160 listen and using some all the strongest language possible and say, 1:44:04.280 --> 1:44:06.400 I'd said the F bomb is pretty the strongest language 1:44:06.479 --> 1:44:10.519 possible on Easter Sunday. Nonetheless, Trump sent that out yesterday 1:44:10.560 --> 1:44:12.920 and social media and said, well, We're going to wipe 1:44:12.920 --> 1:44:14.640 you off the face of the earth. Now, I've kind 1:44:14.640 --> 1:44:17.320 of heard those saber rattling things before from him and 1:44:17.600 --> 1:44:21.160 some exaggerations, but does he actually go in on Tuesday 1:44:21.240 --> 1:44:24.840 being tomorrow and absolutely laid bar Iran because they're not 1:44:24.880 --> 1:44:26.680 opening the strait of our moves and said you'll never 1:44:26.760 --> 1:44:28.400 We're never going to open the strait of horror moves. 1:44:29.439 --> 1:44:32.479 And so you wonder what the retaliation is. And I 1:44:32.479 --> 1:44:36.080 think also maybe some winded Trump's back too because of 1:44:36.120 --> 1:44:39.360 the rescue, the successful rescue mission of not one but 1:44:39.400 --> 1:44:41.360 two of our are men that crashed in country there, 1:44:41.840 --> 1:44:43.479 and so he's got a little bit of a swagger 1:44:43.520 --> 1:44:45.599 about him, and if I'm iran, I'm a little bit worried. 1:44:45.720 --> 1:44:47.120 But as an American in a little bit world, do 1:44:47.160 --> 1:44:49.040 we really want to wipe a ran off the face 1:44:49.040 --> 1:44:50.320 of the earth? And what does that mean for the 1:44:50.360 --> 1:44:52.800 face of the earth? And well gas price is in 1:44:52.880 --> 1:44:55.240 the long term and the short term for that matter. Anyway, 1:44:55.280 --> 1:44:57.320 Willie's on the way next he'll pick up the pieces, 1:44:57.320 --> 1:44:59.720 as he says, at twelve oh six, right here in 1:44:59.720 --> 1:45:01.799 the Hall of the Redgs. Hopefully keep it rolling tonight 1:45:01.880 --> 1:45:04.760 in Miami on seven hundred WW Cincinnati