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Speaker 1: Human from the fish filled Midwest lakes to the deep

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Speaker 1: woods of the North Upland prairies filled with pheasants, to

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Speaker 1: the whistling wings of duck ponds. This is Saturday Morning

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Speaker 1: Fan Outdoors, your show for hunting and fishing tips, topics

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Speaker 1: and conversations. You can also send us a question or

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Speaker 1: opinion by emailing us booth at kfean dot com. Here's

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Speaker 1: your host, the Fans, Captain Billy Hildebrand.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Fan Outdoors, Faithful, Yes, good morning. The time

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Speaker 2: snuck up on me. I was chatting with my executive

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Speaker 2: producer and all of a sudden it was ready to roll. Well,

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Speaker 2: good for you, good for us. I hope you're awake.

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Speaker 2: Maybe you're lying in bed, that's okay too. But if

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Speaker 2: you look outside, I think right now you will see

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Speaker 2: a full moon. At least I think it's a full moon.

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Speaker 2: And you know what's even better, The high today is

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Speaker 2: about sixteen to eighteen degrees. Doesn't sound like much, but

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Speaker 2: it is. And the other thing. From one week ago

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Speaker 2: today we have gained eighteen minutes of daylight. Yeah, how

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Speaker 2: about that? Huh? Not a bad deal. We are moving

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Speaker 2: ever so gradually towards spring, but one of our first

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Speaker 2: guests is right here right now, and we are ready

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Speaker 2: to think I think about spring, but it's not. We've

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Speaker 2: got a lot of ice out there. We have got

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Speaker 2: a lot of ice fishing yet to do. And a

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Speaker 2: man that knows what's going on in central Minnesota and

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Speaker 2: beyond is a very good friend of mine, mister Denny

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Speaker 2: Fletcher of Fletcher's Bait and Tackle, and he joins us

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Speaker 2: right now and we will bring him on. And good morning,

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Speaker 2: mister Denny.

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Speaker 3: Morning bell.

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Speaker 2: Well, eighteen degrees ain't a whole lot, but it's a start.

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Speaker 4: Oh my goodness, it's been cold out there, hasn't it.

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Speaker 2: Oh God, I just you know, I, as a much

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Speaker 2: much younger person, I remember those cold snaps, but I

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Speaker 2: had forgotten him until it approached us now, and it

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Speaker 2: used to be a lot colder. And I'll bet it

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Speaker 2: was that cold, Denny. I'll bet your dad had a

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Speaker 2: heck of a time with a bait shop.

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Speaker 4: The modern day chain saws are a lot better than

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Speaker 4: the old ones, and we have to use them every

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Speaker 4: day to open the holes, to check the traps. And

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Speaker 4: we actually did a lot of chiseling back there with

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Speaker 4: with the chain sauce so it is better now than

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Speaker 4: it was then. Having said that, my friend, this week,

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Speaker 4: I think I bought four new chains, two tips for

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Speaker 4: two chain saws, and had to replace one bar because

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Speaker 4: we're freezing our We're freezing our chain sauce up so

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Speaker 4: bad when it's this cold and it's uh, it's one

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Speaker 4: of those times of the year that being in the

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Speaker 4: bait business, you definitely earn your dollars.

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Speaker 2: Well, you are you worried about the there ponds with

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Speaker 2: the mintos freezing solid or losing oxygen.

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Speaker 4: Every every year this time of year you start to

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Speaker 4: lose some oxygen, but without we don't have harmony any

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Speaker 4: snow cover on the lakes and on our mental ponds.

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Speaker 4: Most of that blew off end or out with the

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Speaker 4: warm spell. We have a little bit of blue ice

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Speaker 4: on the ponds, but it's not significant. So I don't

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Speaker 4: think we're going to have hardly any winter kill or

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Speaker 4: very little on our mental pond. So that's not going

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Speaker 4: to be an issue this year unless going forward we

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Speaker 2: Well, when you're trapping the minerals, then we'll talk about

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Speaker 2: fishing in a second. But when you're trapping the minerals,

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Speaker 2: when the guys are trapping them and checking them, are

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Speaker 2: are your traps? Are those clover traps that you guys

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Speaker 4: H We use primarily clover leaf traps.

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Speaker 3: We checked probably.

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Speaker 4: Fifty of those a day, depending on which ponds we're

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Speaker 4: going to. Uh. But our shiners that we have left

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Speaker 4: got on my east farm, and so it's like an

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Speaker 4: these shiners late in the year they really start to

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Speaker 4: get dormant out in that Pondly it's hard to trap them.

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Speaker 3: So we we had.

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Speaker 4: To open up a big hole and put in one of.

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Speaker 3: Our one of our big hoop nets. They're fifty feet long.

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Speaker 4: And that has been helping us some.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, that's UH.

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Speaker 4: And you can't push that ice under because the middles

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Speaker 3: It gets it gets difficult.

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Speaker 5: It's it's a lot of work.

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Speaker 2: I don't think the general public. Denny realizes how much

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Speaker 4: For them in the winter time. It is just about cruel.

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Speaker 4: Noah and Hunter, my two grandsons, and and Sean's been

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Speaker 4: it takes three people to do that. They come in

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Speaker 4: I did it myself myself for forty years.

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Speaker 3: I know what it's like.

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Speaker 4: And they come in and there they're just playing. Froze

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Speaker 4: the equipment, froze up the tank. You can't get there, nothing,

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Speaker 4: nothing will work. And it's definitely you know, you gotta love,

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Speaker 4: you gotta love what you do to do this this

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Speaker 3: It's not a lot of fun.

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Speaker 2: No I can understand that now about fishing. I can't

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Speaker 2: believe there's a whole bunch of people that are going

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Speaker 2: a little bit better now, but it's still not great.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 4: The only reason that we're as busy as we are

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Speaker 4: Minnesota and us bake goers, the ones that are doing this,

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Speaker 4: we're not able to keep up because it's this this

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Speaker 4: winter fishing is so popular the last few years, but

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Speaker 4: we got we got shiners left, and our bait shop

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Speaker 4: is just going crazy busy with with But it's not

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Speaker 4: it's not because the fisher biting very well.

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Speaker 3: Because I haven't had a really good fishing.

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Speaker 4: Report from anybody for for your in this cold spell.

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Speaker 4: Everything's pretty lethargic. But we're still busy because we have

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Speaker 4: these darn shiners. That's it's keeping us hopping around here.

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you that.

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Speaker 2: Well, what about comes spring, Denny, And once the walleye

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Speaker 2: Lake of the Woods. Is that too far for people

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Speaker 4: We sell a lot of mintos for Lake of the Woods,

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Speaker 4: especially the brassy shiners. Bill Lake of the Woods and

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Speaker 4: Rainy River has this emerald chiner run up there and

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Speaker 4: this fall for whatever reason, and I'm not familiar with

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Speaker 4: to sell to all their clienteles. So those folks up

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Speaker 4: I have a lot of brassy shiners still cribbed up

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Speaker 4: we'll still be selling them, and we'll have golden shiners

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Speaker 4: they also have that a lot of folks participate in

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Speaker 4: that big northern tip up fishing up there, so we'll

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Speaker 4: have those big soccer midos, the eight ten toll in

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Speaker 4: soccer middles that they can use for tip up fishing.

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Speaker 4: So even though the inland season closes, we do see

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Speaker 4: have a certain amount of people that come in that

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Speaker 2: Way all right now selfishly, And that would be me,

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Speaker 2: what's your spring baits situation gonna be?

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Speaker 4: The brassy's look fantastic. The spot tails that's always up

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Speaker 4: to Mother nature. As everyone knows. Uh, yeah, and I

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Speaker 4: assume that they'll be fine. We usually don't have any

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Speaker 4: problem getting enough spot tails here and spot tails is

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Speaker 4: So and our fat hit ponds, you know they're gonna

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Speaker 4: they're gonna carr over. So things I'm looking fine.

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Speaker 6: Uh.

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Speaker 4: I've got one one golden China fand I did not

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Speaker 4: harvest last fall. Overn over run my farm so that

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Speaker 4: we always leave one so that we have them golden

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Speaker 3: The opening a couple of weeks.

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Speaker 4: So things are looking fine as far as said, and

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Speaker 4: I'll have your brassy's bill, don't have.

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Speaker 6: To worry about it.

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Speaker 2: Well, I am. I'm thinking thringer ready for a long time,

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Speaker 2: my friend with the uh. With that being said, the

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Speaker 2: out there is a lot of purchase. As far as

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Speaker 2: our perch prevalence are they in all the lakes around

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Speaker 4: Perch sock lake perch population. Little Falls area fisheries guys

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Speaker 4: have told us Sean and I that we have never

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Speaker 4: seen a population of perch like that. It's just an

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Speaker 4: e armous amount of perch out there, and I think

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Speaker 4: that's part of the reason why we've had a pretty

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Speaker 4: Lake being so prevalent and well, one of my grandson's

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Speaker 4: brought in a waller the other day and they were

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Speaker 4: working that. I said, I'll clean that. It was about

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Speaker 4: two and a half pounds. I said, I'll clean him

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Speaker 4: for supper for Kathy and I I opened him up

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Speaker 4: and his stock was just chuck fulls I opened you must.

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Speaker 3: See what he got.

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Speaker 4: He had seven or eight perch in him, And I thought, no,

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Speaker 4: wonder the fish aren't biting with that many.

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Speaker 3: Is that easy to.

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Speaker 4: Fill yourself up with perchase? They don't have to, They

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Speaker 4: don't have to eat our shiners and whatever we're putting

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Speaker 3: So, to cast your question, Sock Lake has got the most.

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Speaker 3: We do not have a.

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Speaker 4: Huge perch population above and beyond what's normal for this area,

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Speaker 4: but Sock Lake is is definitely a different scenario right now.

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Speaker 2: Well, do you, in your opinion, Danny, do you think

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Speaker 2: that some of these fish and the game fish in

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Speaker 2: the lake are going to uh eat enough to make

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Speaker 2: it a little better fishing come spring or nobody really knows.

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Speaker 4: I suppose generally speaking, that's what happens though, uh as

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Speaker 4: you know, uh, you and I went out last fallen

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Speaker 4: Sock Lake and it was just a enormous amount of

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Speaker 4: perch there in the lake at the time, and we

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Speaker 4: were catching like you took me on a little trip

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Speaker 4: and you showed me where where they were at from

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Speaker 4: your previous experience. And I haven't caught fish like that

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Speaker 4: in a long time. So the fish will be there,

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Speaker 4: the fish will be biting, That fish population will be

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Speaker 4: I don't say, because these these game fish are going

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Speaker 2: Okay, last question, Jenny. The panfish sunfish last spring were

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Speaker 2: Crappies we caught some, but not like I caught in

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Speaker 4: The sunfishing on Socc Lake is making a major rebound,

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Speaker 4: and I am just tickled to death by that. The

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Speaker 3: The lake Association do quite as much wheat spring.

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Speaker 4: So we have our we have our our aquatic vegetation up,

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Speaker 4: Sunfish population is going to continue to expand as long

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Speaker 4: you look at them, you can we could just about

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Speaker 4: to be a lot of fun. Our crappie population, however.

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Speaker 2: Yah.

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Speaker 3: But there's not a lot of them.

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Speaker 4: So I'm hoping here we have another batch coming up

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Speaker 2: Danny. I'll let you get back to it, my friend,

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Speaker 2: but I thank you for your time and look forward

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Speaker 2: you bet been my pleasure, you bet you. That's Steady Fletcher,

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Speaker 2: Fletcher's and Tackle Sock Center, Minnesota. You can look it up.

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Speaker 2: It's easy to find. It's easy to get back on

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Speaker 2: pro angler, mister Tommy George coming up on Fan Outdoors

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Speaker 2: nineteen minutes after the hour of six am on a

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Speaker 2: Fan Outdoors Saturday. We are bobless this morning. He is

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Speaker 2: in well Brett's a home state of Iowa, and he

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Speaker 2: we'll just continue. But going along down the fishing road.

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Speaker 2: Our next guest, mister Tommy George, joins us. All right now, Tommy,

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Speaker 2: good morning, sir.

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Speaker 5: Good morning Billy and Brett also, and uh it's uh,

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Speaker 5: it's finally gonna be fairly decent.

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Speaker 3: Billy.

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Speaker 5: I was talking to him, and I are so tired

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Speaker 2: So bring cabin casts, you bring back the spring and

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Speaker 2: you're talking to the choir here, buddy.

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Speaker 3: Me too, Gilly.

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Speaker 5: But anyways, it's tomorrow it's going to be so nice,

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Speaker 5: and uh, I will I will be fishing tomorrow. I

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Speaker 2: Well, what you know, after typically in your experience, Tommy,

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Speaker 2: with when you've got such an extreme cold front coming

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Speaker 2: difficult to catch, but we've always said here they still

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Speaker 5: Billy, you're one hundred percent correct, you know, like you said,

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Speaker 5: it does slow down, and this is the kind of

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Speaker 5: the dolls. Rooms of the winner fish do slow down,

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Speaker 5: just like Danny Fletcher said, but they still have to eat.

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Speaker 5: You know, in the wintertime, they don't have to eat

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Speaker 5: could get by with just some of the zoop lank.

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Speaker 5: Then that's in the lakes, and that's swimming around and

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Speaker 5: nurse swiming, you know, catching what they need. But they

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Speaker 5: don't need a lot, So they're not very active. They

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Speaker 5: And so when you go out. I was just out

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Speaker 5: a little bit ago, and I did catch some sunfish.

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Speaker 5: They weren't big to me. My average sunfish that I

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Speaker 5: like to keep is like eight inches. But you know,

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Speaker 5: there's nothing wrong with fix and seven inch sunfish either.

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Speaker 5: They had an article in that Minnesota Boland here many

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Speaker 5: and what they said, and there what trophy sunfish was

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Speaker 5: six to seven inch sunfish. And I thought, you know,

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Speaker 5: but I'm not worried about catching that biggest sunfish or anything.

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Speaker 7: But they were right.

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Speaker 5: A seven inch sunfish is a very very good tasting

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Speaker 5: funny and I said this before, Billy, when you have

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Speaker 5: do taste against. And like Steve Bauman going this praise

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Speaker 5: They actually they taste better than the bigger Philly is.

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Speaker 5: So I don't mind taking a seven inch Sunday. And

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Speaker 2: And Tommy I used to when I take the boys fishing,

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Speaker 2: I was willing to clean because it all fell on

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Speaker 2: But when the fish are small, they're just harder to clean.

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Speaker 5: That's for sure, Billy at all there, if you think

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Speaker 5: about it, like you said, just take enough what you

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Speaker 7: Quite a bit I.

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Speaker 5: Fish myself, surely, But so that means I'm gonna need

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Speaker 5: a number more of stunnies. But like to me, ten sunfish,

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Speaker 5: whether I whether they're big or not, is more than

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Speaker 5: and she loves them. So there's nothing wrong with some

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Speaker 5: I feel pretty proud of that. I'm not I'm not

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Speaker 2: So when you're cooking fish, Tommy, do you deep fry

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Speaker 5: Yep, that's it.

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Speaker 5: I'm cooking them an electric fry pan, okay, with a

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Speaker 5: they're very good. They always come out the same. And

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Speaker 5: usually panned forying them, and sometimes they just do them

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Speaker 5: It's almost like so, but there's a lot of different

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Speaker 5: That glass dish, and I spray them with a little

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Speaker 5: I do coat them and I put the flays in there.

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Speaker 5: But then I take a chocolate butter and I put

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Speaker 2: One of the things that I have done, I discovered

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Speaker 2: then put them on foil, put the butter in there,

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Speaker 2: and cook it. And it's basically they're cooked in butter,

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Speaker 2: of my favorite ways to cook it, unless somebody else

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Speaker 7: Is my favorite, right right.

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Speaker 5: You know, My sister in law and my son Andy's

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Speaker 5: wife Jenny, she cooked them just that way. Billy and

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Speaker 5: And she always asked me, she says, next time you

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Speaker 5: love that. He says, that's perfect, gen because she does

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Speaker 5: them just like you. And she puts uh seizings lumbama

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Speaker 5: And she's got a blackstone too, what they use in camping.

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Speaker 5: But like you said, it's too hard to do the

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Speaker 3: What she does.

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Speaker 5: And I don't do that much. I leave that to her.

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Speaker 5: But I'm doing my own thing, just cooking them, you know,

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Speaker 5: in my fright pand and different ways. So Billy, you're right,

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Speaker 5: that's a very good way. I had her fish and

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Speaker 5: they're unbelievable.

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Speaker 2: Well, my oldest son Eric, he has become a Lefties

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00:24:56,359 --> 00:25:00,520
Speaker 2: fan too, and ever since you told us about it summer,

437
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 2: we have been using that an awful lot. Sometimes what

438
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:09,199
Speaker 2: we'll do is mix like Lefties and shore lunch or

439
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:11,919
Speaker 2: whatever we've got and put it all together so you

440
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,440
Speaker 2: can never duplicate it. And sometimes you get some really

441
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 2: good ones. Other times, see.

442
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:23,360
Speaker 5: Really, you are so right. I mean, I can't believe it.

443
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:28,879
Speaker 5: I have done that exactly. I used to switch, or

444
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:32,520
Speaker 5: not switch, but just add different ones so I wouldn't waste.

445
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 7: Any of them.

446
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, sometimes you end up with just a little batter left,

447
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,040
Speaker 5: and other times you have a bunch of better of

448
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:42,240
Speaker 5: different stuff that wasn't your favorite. But if you mix it, sometimes,

449
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 5: like you said, you get some outstanding flavors. And what

450
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 5: I should do is write some of that down. But

451
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,399
Speaker 5: I'm so used to lefties now, I don't worry about,

452
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:53,080
Speaker 5: you know, anything left over.

453
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:55,639
Speaker 2: Well, if you're mixing them all up, your head on

454
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 2: a good one, Tommy, you're never going to duplicate it

455
00:25:58,560 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 2: because it's never the same.

456
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:01,639
Speaker 7: So that's true.

457
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 2: I just eat it, enjoy it. And one thing when

458
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 2: I'm living up with the lake, I can if I

459
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:12,679
Speaker 2: catch a couple of fish, I can fillay them and

460
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:16,440
Speaker 2: cook them up in matter of an hour. And when

461
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 2: they're that fresh, they are so good. And I'm just

462
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:23,200
Speaker 2: making myself so hungry right now, Billy.

463
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 5: I'll tell you one thing that I absolutely love to do.

464
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:30,639
Speaker 5: I don't do it a lot, but when I do,

465
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:34,239
Speaker 5: have some stunnies that are left over with and I

466
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 5: love cold fish. In the morning, I'll make eggs. I

467
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 5: always put my bake eggs and bacon graefe. So what

468
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:45,920
Speaker 5: I'll do is I'll make my eggs and I'll pull

469
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,439
Speaker 5: them out and I throw the fish, the colds on

470
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:51,679
Speaker 5: fish in the bacon grease, and I eat them up

471
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:57,160
Speaker 5: that way. Oh my god, that's a whole different taste too. Wow.

472
00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:00,040
Speaker 5: What a fabulous breakfast at.

473
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 2: And the other one of the things that Eric told

474
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,960
Speaker 2: me when that was when he was in college already,

475
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 2: when they would go fishing, well, he's supposed to be

476
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 2: going to class and he's going fishing. But that's another story.

477
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 2: But when they'd have leftover fish, he said, never cover

478
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:19,920
Speaker 2: it when you put it in the refrigerator. Leave it

479
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 2: in a pan that's not covered, because then it won't

480
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 2: get all mushy and soft, and it stays the same

481
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:31,119
Speaker 2: consistency it is when you're when you are taking it

482
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 2: right off cooking it. But cold fish like that, Oh,

483
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 2: everybody just digs into this in this in the morning

484
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 2: before we're going to go back out and has a

485
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:44,680
Speaker 2: whole handful of fish before they get back into the boat.

486
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 5: I don't blame him at all, Billy.

487
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 3: That's just what I do too.

488
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 5: That's why I always cook extra fish, just spoort of

489
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:57,199
Speaker 5: the morning, and there's nothing like it. So yeah, and

490
00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:01,240
Speaker 5: I don't mind that that limit that I chose to

491
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 5: pick ten for me is perfect and I don't need

492
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:07,159
Speaker 5: anymore because I love fresh fish, like you said, So

493
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 5: it's uh, it's going to.

494
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 3: Be really good tomorrow.

495
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:14,719
Speaker 5: I'm gonna go out tomorrow and that I'll see how

496
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 5: that has changed their mood and you know, for for

497
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 5: biting and being aggressive. Other than that, go ahead.

498
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,640
Speaker 2: Are you still using when you start like tomorrow? Will

499
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 2: you use a real little fly or a little jig

500
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 2: with something on it?

501
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 7: Yeah?

502
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 5: You know, Billy, I'll use some tongusten just to get

503
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,920
Speaker 5: down to where I want. And I'm using my back clard.

504
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 5: Seeing the action on the screen. That tells you so much.

505
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 5: And if I can, I'll be hope hopefully I can

506
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 5: still sightfish and uh, that's my absolute favorite. And you

507
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 5: can really tell the mood to fish, the mood of

508
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 5: the fish by site fishing. If they're aggressive or they're

509
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 5: just a real target at her They come up to

510
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 5: the bait and they just look at it and they

511
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 5: swim away slowly. It tells you so much. But also

512
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 5: your Bachelor unit will.

513
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 3: Tell you the same.

514
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 5: But it's not as fun. And I'm told I showed

515
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 5: a few people on a sitefish and it's one of

516
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 5: their favorite ways of fishing now. So there's so much

517
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 5: to do out there and that's why it keeps us busy,

518
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 5: and my boats all charge it up. In fact, I

519
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 5: just unplugged it yesterday and so it's ready to go,

520
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 5: and I am too.

521
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 2: Tommy will let you go, my friend. I do. Thank

522
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 2: you for your time, and it's always fun chatting with you, Bud,

523
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 2: but good luck if you go fishing, let me know.

524
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 5: Thanks, Billy, I appreciate it, you bet you.

525
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 2: That's Tommy George, pro angler, Tommy George, and he joins

526
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 2: us often, and as a number of our guests do.

527
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 2: It's always nice to stay on top of the fishing.

528
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 2: And we're not letting you go yet because he's coming

529
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 2: right around the corner from the Brainerd Lakes area. There's

530
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 2: a man who guides a lot, but I know him

531
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 2: more as a competitive angler that he is an incredible,

532
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:17,479
Speaker 2: incredible angler. But it's not just fishing he does. He

533
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 2: makes bacon. I know that he makes maple syrup because

534
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 2: it's so good. Yeah. Tom Whitehead joins us right after this.

535
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 2: This is the fan. Time is rolling on by getting

536
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 2: a little bit brighter outside, but it's still quite dark out.

537
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 2: But last night about five fifteen, Eric and I looked

538
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 2: out and went out of his left his house for

539
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 2: an activity with the at his son, my grandson over

540
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 2: at his school. And it was to raise some money.

541
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 2: A fundraiser kind of event. I had forgot what it's

542
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 2: like to be in an elementary school with a whole

543
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 2: population there, and it's I spent a lot of time

544
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 2: in secondary schools teaching, but usually junior high and senior high.

545
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 2: Elementary school's different world, a real different world. Anyway, it

546
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 2: was fun. But we had daylight at five point fifteen,

547
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 2: and that's kind of nice to see again. Our next

548
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 2: guest is waiting patiently for me to get done babbling

549
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 2: and bring him into the show, because he's an excellent,

550
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 2: excellent angler, and I know he's guided a bit too,

551
00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 2: but he also maple syruping is right around on the

552
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 2: corner and he will be very active that way, and

553
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 2: he does a heck of a job making bacon to

554
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 2: a little bit later too, Mister Tom Whitehead joins us

555
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 2: right now from the Brainard Lakes area, and Tom, good morning, sir.

556
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 2: How are you?

557
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 6: Good morning? I'm doing great? How are you not too bad?

558
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 2: I'm tired of cold, but other than that, it's, you know,

559
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 2: just me whining. I guess that's just about it.

560
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 7: I'm right with you.

561
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,959
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, have you been fishing during this cold stuff?

562
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 7: No?

563
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 2: Okay, that's pretty emphatic.

564
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 6: Maybe maybe years ago, but it's getting I mean it

565
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 6: was we had some pretty nasty cold up here. I

566
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 6: mean we had negative twenties at night. Yeah, you know,

567
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 6: it's it's it's tough. I fish out of a portable.

568
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 6: You know, I see a mobile, so I don't have

569
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 6: a permanent to go out too, you know, so that

570
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 6: changes things a little bit. You know, you're talking either

571
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,719
Speaker 6: before where there a snowbill. So getting everything running and

572
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 6: keeping it running in that cold sometimes is a job

573
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 6: in itself. So I'll start getting out though this weekend

574
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 6: and I'm going to hit it pretty hard proby the

575
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 6: rest of the season.

576
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 2: Okay, So are you are you going to go to

577
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:19,479
Speaker 2: some of your old haunts and check those out or

578
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 2: how do you approach it after something because I know

579
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 2: you've been through this before, but how do you approach

580
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 2: it after the extreme weather that we've had.

581
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 6: Well, I'm going to do more exploring. I'm gonna go out,

582
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 6: I'm gonna stay mobile. You know I kind of the

583
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 6: last few years, I've kind of gotten into that old

584
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 6: habit of Yeah, I'm just going to go back out

585
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 6: to my old spots and you know, grind it out,

586
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 6: and you know which is it's fine, but there's so

587
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 6: many spots I haven't hit in the last few years

588
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 6: that I just want to go out and do a

589
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 6: little more exploring crappies and walleyes and you know, just

590
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 6: move around till you find some active fish. And it's

591
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 6: you know, it's hard to do when it's cold like

592
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 6: it has been. But when it's warmer, you know, a

593
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 6: guy can get out and and not have to set

594
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 6: up the shelter right away, and drill some holes and

595
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 6: run the graph and and you know, try to locate

596
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 6: some schools of fish. And then once you find a

597
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 6: few biers, you know, then you can pop everything up

598
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 6: and sit there. But you know, it's something I've kind

599
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:16,959
Speaker 6: of missed out in the last couple of years because

600
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,799
Speaker 6: I've just haven't taken the time, I guess to do it.

601
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 6: But I'm gonna do a lot more of it from

602
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 6: now till till late ice till the end of the season.

603
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 2: So do tom do you rely on anybody else if

604
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 2: you're struggling to catch fish, Maybe that doesn't happen, but

605
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 2: if you would be, do you have people I'm sure

606
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,799
Speaker 2: you have that you could call just to find out

607
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 2: what they're doing. If it's totally different than yourself.

608
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,319
Speaker 6: You know, I've got a few friends that you know,

609
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 6: I may, but I don't know. To me, it's the challenge, okay,

610
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 6: just like any other it's the challenge. So I like

611
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:51,759
Speaker 6: to go out there and do it on my own.

612
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 6: And I don't like fishing around crowds of people. I'd

613
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:56,839
Speaker 6: rather be out there where it's a nay some quiet. Yeah,

614
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 6: And that's a big part of it to me, is

615
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 6: just just being out there and being away from the

616
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 6: crowds and and doing my own thing.

617
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 2: I guess, well, do you find the fishing much better

618
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 2: than a rout of crowd?

619
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:13,719
Speaker 6: I find the the environment and the ambiance a lot better.

620
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 6: You know. I may not be catching as many fish,

621
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 6: but it's just there again, it's the challenge of me

622
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:21,399
Speaker 6: and the fish. You know, I'm not I'm not going

623
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 6: out there where everybody else has been and just you know,

624
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 6: drilling old holes out and fishing where everybody else has

625
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 6: been it and there again, that's just something I enjoy.

626
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 2: How will you approach it when you get back out there,

627
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:35,359
Speaker 2: if you're gonna if you're gonna get after it, as

628
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 2: you said, Uh, how will you begin that?

629
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:42,720
Speaker 3: Well?

630
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:44,799
Speaker 6: I start out, you know, with a map, and of

631
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 6: course we got all the map chips and the and

632
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 6: the GPS is, and I might sit on my couch

633
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 6: where nicer worm and pull up a map on my

634
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 6: I got a helix seven, a couple of them that

635
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 6: are portables, and I might pull one of those up

636
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 6: and just start dropping way points on inside corners and

637
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 6: points on a big flats, you know, for the walleyes,

638
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 6: and then you know, it gives me a reference point

639
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 6: to run out to and and drill some holes and

640
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:10,360
Speaker 6: check it out. Crappies pan fishing, and mostly the crappies

641
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 6: now are going to be on the basins and the

642
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 6: deeper water in the lakes, which will change, you know

643
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 6: when we start getting into March, when the when the

644
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 6: snow starts to melt on the ice and things start

645
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:20,879
Speaker 6: to warm up. They're start pulling up in the weed

646
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 6: edges again. You know, they're pre spring areas, the pre

647
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 6: spawn areas, or I would say pre pre spawn areas.

648
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 6: But I do a lot of work, just like I said,

649
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 6: just with the map, sitting in the house and marking

650
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 6: out likely spots. It eliminates a lot of running around

651
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 6: chasing your tail you know, but it's there again. It's

652
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:45,840
Speaker 6: just it's just a lot of looking, a lot of exploring,

653
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 6: and you know it's it's it can be a challenge

654
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 6: on a lake you don't know, but boy, when you

655
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:53,760
Speaker 6: do find them, it's very, very, very reward rewarding.

656
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:59,799
Speaker 2: I do agree, Tom, When when you are on a

657
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 2: bud of water and you don't see fish right away,

658
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 2: how long will you stay or do you leave right away?

659
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:10,240
Speaker 6: You know, it kind of goes on a gut feeling.

660
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 6: You know, if I'm sitting and I'm not seeing bait fish,

661
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:17,359
Speaker 6: I'm not seeing anything come in. I might stay there

662
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 6: fifteen minutes to a half an hour if it's a

663
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 6: new spot, and I just keep moving. You know, it's

664
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 6: like the old the old saying that you know, I

665
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 6: heard Alinder say years ago, and ninety percent of the

666
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 6: fish are and ten percent of the lake yeap, you

667
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 6: You've got to find that ten percent and then you

668
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 6: know they're not always biting. But if I'm seeing fish,

669
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 6: you know that that's I'll just wait them out because

670
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 6: you know it's going to change, especially when it when

671
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 6: it gets towards evening, we get the low light conditions.

672
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 6: But uh, you know, I've got one spot where I

673
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 6: used to catch giant croppies those thirty feet of water,

674
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 6: and the bite went from nine o'clock to midnight. I'm

675
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:55,839
Speaker 6: too old for that now. I'm not going to sit

676
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:59,359
Speaker 6: up sure night. So you know, I'm going to keep

677
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 6: moving around till I find the biters.

678
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:06,319
Speaker 2: I'm laughing because, yeah, I'm not real mad at them

679
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:10,720
Speaker 2: anymore either. I just it's just not in my line

680
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:17,320
Speaker 2: of work anymore. Yeah, with that with you, I remember

681
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 2: one time we talked and the weeds were something that

682
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 2: you relied on. Is that not this time of year?

683
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 2: Are they more? Do you find them more in the

684
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 2: basins or on the edges of basins, or on the

685
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 2: inside or points inside turns or points like that in

686
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 2: more of a basin situation.

687
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:39,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, ideally, if I could find a steep

688
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 6: dropping point going out into a basin, it gives the

689
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:46,959
Speaker 6: It gives you an advantage. You know, it's a place

690
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 6: where they have to swim by. If the croppies are

691
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 6: on a basin, they're just roaming around all day long

692
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 6: out in the middle of nowhere.

693
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:54,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you've got a point or a.

694
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 6: Rock pile or something out there that that you can.

695
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,840
Speaker 6: You know, it's almost like an opening in a fence

696
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 6: where the deer have to come through. It gives you

697
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:05,760
Speaker 6: a little bit of an advantage. But you know, green

698
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:09,320
Speaker 6: weeds are always a plus. Green weeds give off oxygen,

699
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 6: and we're mid midwinter now, so the more green weeds

700
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 6: you can find, the more oxygen content there is, which

701
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 6: is going to hold bait, fish and everything else. That's

702
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 6: a huge plus. Doesn't mean they're going to be there

703
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 6: all day long. You know, the croppies are probably going

704
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:26,800
Speaker 6: to stay out in that deep basin, but they'll swing

705
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 6: by there to feed sometime during the day or evening. Walleyes,

706
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 6: you know, weeds. There's a couple of lakes where I

707
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 6: fish weed walleyes when I look for coontail out in

708
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 6: a little bit deeper water that eighteen to twenty two

709
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:41,800
Speaker 6: feet of water. But mostly they're just a structure fish.

710
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 6: You know, they're on flats. They'll come up and feed

711
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 6: on the flats. They're gaining a change. A change is

712
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 6: a big thing, any transition where you might be sand

713
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:53,360
Speaker 6: on one side of a point mud on the other side.

714
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:56,840
Speaker 6: You might have a handful of rocks on a point

715
00:39:56,920 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 6: that's all sand, anything different like that will will increase

716
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 6: your eyes tremendously.

717
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 2: It used to be said that, I used to I

718
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:08,439
Speaker 2: heard some people say in a long time ago, if

719
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 2: the primary forage was you know, it didn't make any difference.

720
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 2: If the fish were stocked, they would be weed fish.

721
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:20,759
Speaker 2: Now I'm not sure, sir. I always believe that, do you.

722
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 3: Yeah.

723
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 6: I mean, I am a firm believer in that. I've

724
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:26,239
Speaker 6: got a lake right down on the road to me

725
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:30,360
Speaker 6: that fish a lot all year round, and there's like

726
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 6: two different types of walleys, and these lakes up here

727
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 6: seems like it seems like the natural spawners going in,

728
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 6: they spend their legs in the deep water. Normally they

729
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 6: hatch up in the rocks and the reefs and where

730
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 6: the wind blows. And when they hatch, they head off

731
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:46,400
Speaker 6: for deep water for cover. The DNR pulls up with

732
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 6: a truck dumps the stockfish in at a boat landing.

733
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 6: The first thing they do is head for cover, which

734
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 6: is going to be a weed line.

735
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 2: Yep.

736
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:55,759
Speaker 6: Now they've got everything they need. They've got food there,

737
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 6: they've got cover there, they've got shade, they've got oxygen.

738
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 6: Everything in the weed line, and most of them never leave,

739
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:05,319
Speaker 6: and you know, I'll catch them in the weeds all

740
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 6: year long on certain lakes. Not all lakes, you know,

741
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 6: but there's certain lakes up here where I think there's

742
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 6: almost like two different types of longleys. You get your

743
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:15,320
Speaker 6: weed walleys and you're naturally spawned walleys.

744
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 2: And I remember one time we were talking soft water, though,

745
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 2: and you said that the weeds are a magnet for

746
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 2: you because they've always got bait fish in them because

747
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 2: it provides cover and basically or a channel or a

748
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:40,360
Speaker 2: place that's through the weeds allows fish to ambush ambush

749
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 2: bait fish because feeding fish are always going to be active.

750
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:48,839
Speaker 2: Is that still true, right?

751
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 5: You know?

752
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:52,839
Speaker 6: And I try to find places if I call them

753
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 6: feeding areas. It might be a hard spot, you know,

754
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:57,880
Speaker 6: in a center of some weeds where the weeds don't grow.

755
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,840
Speaker 6: Might be a point, it may be an inside corner.

756
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 6: But I kind of key on that stuff because the

757
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 6: reason why is there might be walleys out and thirty

758
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:11,839
Speaker 6: feet of water, but they're inactive. I mean, you can

759
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 6: sit and fish them all day long and maybe you'll

760
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:15,799
Speaker 6: catch one or two. I'd rather be up in an

761
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 6: area where the fish are there for one reason and

762
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 6: one reason only, and that's to eat. Even in the summertime,

763
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 6: I'll fish walleyes in that fifteen to seventeen feet of

764
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 6: water and sometimes ten twelve feet of water with jigs

765
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 6: and mintos because if they're there, if I find them,

766
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 6: they're there for one reason. That's that's the feed, and

767
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 6: those fish are going to be active. I can find

768
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 6: suspended fish out on Gull Lake here all the time.

769
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,240
Speaker 6: You're not going to get them to bite, very seldom

770
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 6: unless you get a reaction bite with a you know,

771
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:46,839
Speaker 6: some kind of a fast moving bait. But when they're

772
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:48,840
Speaker 6: up shallow like that on the weed lines, they're up

773
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 6: there to feed you, and that I'd rather fish active fish.

774
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 6: You know, they're looking for trouble than ones that are

775
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 6: out there just taking a nap.

776
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:58,239
Speaker 2: What about all the lakes you've got up there? Do

777
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:02,800
Speaker 2: they tend to have different characteristic as far as speed

778
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 2: and what the fish do? And do some lakes like

779
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:11,360
Speaker 2: different colors and other lakes? Have you found that or

780
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 2: is it pretty much a one size fits all kind

781
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:15,439
Speaker 2: of a thing.

782
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 6: Oh, they're definitely different. Back in the eighties when I

783
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:22,799
Speaker 6: guided from Mark kept full time, you know, I did

784
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 6: I did a six year gig there with the Missa

785
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 6: Gaid's League and learned so much fishing with those guys.

786
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 6: We would fish round Lake and Gully and they're connected.

787
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:35,319
Speaker 6: You can go between the two under the highway and

788
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 6: we would fish one lake and it was a white jig.

789
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 6: You'd go across the other lake and it was sharkhroose jig,

790
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 6: and that was that was, you know, pretty rock solid rule.

791
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 5: That happened over and over and over again.

792
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 6: You could be fishing on Gully like in that seventeen

793
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 6: to twenty foot of water. You go up on Pelican,

794
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 6: you're out in twenty five feet water. Pelican Lake would

795
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 6: have two different weed lines, two separate weed lines. You'd

796
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 6: have a weed line that would end, and most of

797
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 6: our lakes around here, the water clear is pretty close

798
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 6: to the same, So the weed lines end in that

799
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 6: fifteen to seventeen feet. Well, light can't penetrate the water

800
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:08,320
Speaker 6: any longer, so the weeds stop growing. Up on Pelican,

801
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:10,399
Speaker 6: you'd have a normal weedline like that, and then you'd

802
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 6: go a little farther and it might be that, you know,

803
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:16,399
Speaker 6: twenty feet to twenty two feet, here's another weed line.

804
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 7: You know, just like I said, like you.

805
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 6: Were saying, every lake's a little bit different. The white

806
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:26,360
Speaker 6: fish chain is completely different than the Gulf chain. But

807
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 6: you know, and that's why you can't just stick with

808
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 6: one one thing. I see these guys going out there

809
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:35,400
Speaker 6: winter and summer and just grinding it out with the

810
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 6: same bait all day long, and then they come home

811
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 6: and say, well the fish were biting, Well, did you

812
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:41,759
Speaker 6: try anything else? Did you try a different color, did

813
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:43,879
Speaker 6: you try a swim bait, did you try a moving bait,

814
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:45,880
Speaker 6: did you just you know, did you try bob or

815
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 6: slip bobbers? You know, it's you got to mix it

816
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 6: up a little bit and see what the fish.

817
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 5: Want, and every day it's going to change a little bit.

818
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:56,240
Speaker 6: But yeah, the short answer is, yeah, the lakes are different.

819
00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 6: Water clarity being the same, they still are are different

820
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 6: lakes because of the different types of weeds, different bait fish.

821
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:08,799
Speaker 6: Possibly you know, some lakes have more crayfish than others do.

822
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 6: But yeah, it's every lake's a little bit different.

823
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 2: Do you have go to baits that you just maybe

824
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 2: you get to a new lake, you're just going to

825
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:23,399
Speaker 2: start that, start with that and maybe change as as

826
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:26,960
Speaker 2: dictated by fishing yeah, Yeah.

827
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 6: It's gonna be you know, lakes that have big, big

828
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:31,799
Speaker 6: flats on them. You know, maybe I'll pull out to

829
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 6: a lake that's got huge fingers of that nine to

830
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 6: seventeen feet of water, just big flats. I'll do some

831
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:43,840
Speaker 6: slip bobber fishing if it's windy. You know, jig and

832
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:46,799
Speaker 6: minto is always the standard early in the season. Then

833
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:49,319
Speaker 6: we switch over like jigs and leaches a little later. Yeah,

834
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 6: But lately, you know, the last few years, it's been

835
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:54,719
Speaker 6: a lot more artificials. I throw all out of the

836
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 6: north on Walleye candy baits. I soak them in a

837
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 6: scent they absorb center made out of tpe plastic, which

838
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:03,839
Speaker 6: you can stretch them out a mile without breaking, and

839
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 6: it causes them to absorb sense. So I use a

840
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 6: scent called Billy Rub. It's made right down there in

841
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 6: the Twin Cities. It's made out of the real stuff.

842
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 6: So when you by leech, it's made out of real leaches.

843
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 6: The night crawlers made out of real night crawlers. The

844
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:18,279
Speaker 6: waxworms made out of real waxworm. So I'll rub those down,

845
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:19,879
Speaker 6: put them back in the package and let them soak

846
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:23,360
Speaker 6: in and I'll go out and throw those, you know,

847
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 6: from the paddle tail to the snap jigging baits, the

848
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 6: curl tails and catching more and more fishing on artificials

849
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:35,800
Speaker 6: now and it's it's kind of a reaction bait, I guess,

850
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 6: other than you know, soak and a live bait out there,

851
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 6: and live bait's getting more and more expensive and harder

852
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:45,319
Speaker 6: to get, and you know, it's it's the preferred thing

853
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 6: when you're fishing walleyes. But if you start fishing some

854
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:52,880
Speaker 6: of these newer plastics, and like I said, descented plastics especially,

855
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 6: you're gonna you're gonna have a lot of success. And

856
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:59,799
Speaker 6: the colors nowadays on these plastics are unbelievable. Like you

857
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 6: and I when we started back in the bass tournament days,

858
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 6: you know, we had we maybe had black black drape

859
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:08,359
Speaker 6: and a strawberry color. That was it for plastics. And

860
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:11,320
Speaker 6: now there's just a I mean match, the hatch type

861
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:15,840
Speaker 6: everything you can imagine, you know, for baits. But do

862
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:18,400
Speaker 6: I have go to baits a handful of them. But

863
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 6: then it's like you know, people I say, what's your

864
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 6: favorite bait, It's whatever the fisher bite in that day.

865
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you still got to find out what that

866
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:25,920
Speaker 2: bait is.

867
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 6: Oh, definitely, And that doesn't mean you have to have

868
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 6: forty fishing rods like I'm staring at over here in

869
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 6: the corner of my office here. If you've got three

870
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:39,799
Speaker 6: rods and put braid on one, put mono on one,

871
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:42,280
Speaker 6: and I always use four carbon leaders for a carbon

872
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:45,880
Speaker 6: completely disappears in the water. It's very very very abrasion

873
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:49,279
Speaker 6: resistant for the zebra muscles and for the pike, and

874
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:51,920
Speaker 6: I will rig them up with different baits according to

875
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 6: what I'm running on there. For line, you know, I'll

876
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 6: have I'll have a slip bobber rod, a jig rod,

877
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 6: and a swim bait ride normally, and then there's times

878
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 6: of years where you'll go to the you know, I

879
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 6: use the North pitch and puppet, but you know, the

880
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 6: jig wrap type baits and you know, if you're if

881
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:10,799
Speaker 6: you're fishing, like I said, with the plastics nowadays, with

882
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 6: the paddle tails, it's it imitates bait fish so well.

883
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 6: And with the scent, I mean you can catch everything

884
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 6: on him. I've caught everything on the same bait on

885
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 6: the same day. I've cut everything from crappies to big Pike,

886
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 6: two nice Walleyes and Bass all on the same bait.

887
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 2: Tom, we have to take a pause. Are you okay?

888
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 2: Holding with us for another segment? Wonderful our guests, okay,

889
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 2: that's a good deal.

890
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 6: Eleven blow outside.

891
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 7: It's too cold yet.

892
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:42,799
Speaker 2: I'm waiting about that boy. I'm after my own heart.

893
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:46,400
Speaker 2: Our guest is Tom Whitehead, and he's up in the

894
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:49,799
Speaker 2: Brainerd Lakes area. And before we finish our conversation, if

895
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 2: you'd like to get together, I'll tell you how to

896
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:56,240
Speaker 2: do that too. And is if you go with Tom,

897
00:48:56,480 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 2: I guarantee you keep an open mind, you will learn something.

898
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:05,239
Speaker 2: Ask questions and you will get answers. Will take a

899
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 2: pause and be right back with another segment with Tom

900
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 2: Whitehead after.

901
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 7: This Human.

902
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 2: We're back. We'll be with you until the eight o'clock

903
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:33,799
Speaker 2: hour and then turn the reins over to end the

904
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:39,799
Speaker 2: zone with Davey Sinnecon and Trent Tucker double T. But

905
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 2: right now we're with you because it's just a little

906
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 2: bit after seven o'clock. Right now, I almost said four. No,

907
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:51,800
Speaker 2: that's when I got up seven o' five to be exactly.

908
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 2: Our guest right now is Tom Whitehead, and he is

909
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 2: up in the Brainerd Lakes area. He lives up there

910
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:03,240
Speaker 2: and he is a fishing guide. He's a tournament angler

911
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:08,239
Speaker 2: that's very accomplished, and he's an excellent angler. But he's

912
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:10,879
Speaker 2: also I think if you got in the boat with him,

913
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:15,280
Speaker 2: he would become your fishing teacher. So we've been chatting

914
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 2: with him about that too, Tom. I know we started

915
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 2: talking about fishing, but maple syruping isn't too far away,

916
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 2: is it.

917
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:27,879
Speaker 6: No. I've looked back in my records and we usually

918
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:31,399
Speaker 6: start about the first week in March on a standard year.

919
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:34,400
Speaker 6: You know, mother nature dictates when that happens, but we

920
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 6: really start tapping tries early March and probably start boiling,

921
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 6: you know, mid March in a normal year.

922
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:44,760
Speaker 2: Well do you do you rely on just that specifically

923
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:47,840
Speaker 2: the taps and buckets or do you run some of

924
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:51,919
Speaker 2: the tube being the vacuum tubing that some of the

925
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:54,480
Speaker 2: some of the bigger outfits to do.

926
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 6: No, that's kind of the commercial guys that run those

927
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:03,920
Speaker 6: big tubes in the vacuum systems. We use regular taps

928
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 6: or spiles what the correct name is for them, and

929
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:09,279
Speaker 6: then we just use the hangars with the bags and

930
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 6: that seems to work. For our operation. We only hang

931
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 6: about forty I think forty two or forty four taps out,

932
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:19,880
Speaker 6: and that's plenty for us, you know, it keeps us busy.

933
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 6: Matter of fact, last year, I think we gave way

934
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 6: about three hundred gallons a sap to another young guy

935
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 6: up here that does it commercially. He'll take all the

936
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 6: extra that we have, but that's more than enough to

937
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:33,359
Speaker 6: keep us going.

938
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:37,360
Speaker 2: I think that the color of maple syrup does that

939
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:42,839
Speaker 2: depend on the time of year, the tree itself, or

940
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:44,840
Speaker 2: what dictates the color.

941
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:50,080
Speaker 6: Normally it is as the season progresses, it gets darker

942
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:53,560
Speaker 6: and darker, and the flavor changes. It gets to be

943
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:57,719
Speaker 6: more of a richer, more calmly flavor, I guess. And

944
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:00,799
Speaker 6: you know the early excuse me, early stuff is going

945
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:02,919
Speaker 6: to be more your golden what they would call great,

946
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 6: a fancy type. We eat it all. We don't care,

947
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:09,799
Speaker 6: you know, what they want. It's you know, graded or

948
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 6: whatever they claim as The darker stuff is better for

949
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:18,719
Speaker 6: like glazes on hams and things like that. But you know,

950
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:22,040
Speaker 6: to me, it's just another flavor. It's a richer flavor.

951
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:26,320
Speaker 6: It still tastes good on the pancakes and the waffles.

952
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:30,759
Speaker 6: I'm not going to use it just for glazes and

953
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 6: so it Yeah, it does change. I mean, but we

954
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:38,440
Speaker 6: have had years where like last year, it started out

955
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:40,480
Speaker 6: like normal golden and it got darker, and then all

956
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:43,359
Speaker 6: of a sudden, I got a bash that was golden again. Well,

957
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 6: and then then I went back to dark again the

958
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:47,359
Speaker 6: next batch. So it's you know, mother nature is it's

959
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:50,759
Speaker 6: pretty amazing because it throws a curveball at you all

960
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 6: the time. There's no set rules.

961
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:56,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it's not just maples that you can tap,

962
00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 2: is it. I mean, can you tap a birch or

963
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:01,399
Speaker 2: a box elder or something like that.

964
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:04,720
Speaker 6: Yeah, other parts of the state they do box elder.

965
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 6: I have not tried it. I know a guy on

966
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:09,320
Speaker 6: Facebook that doesn't, and he said it's more of a

967
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 6: nuttier flavor birch you can do, but I don't know

968
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 6: anybody that really does. Because maple syrup on the standard

969
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:21,440
Speaker 6: rule is forty gallons of sap to one gallon of syrup.

970
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:24,240
Speaker 6: Birch is going to be twice that eighty gallons.

971
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 2: Oh wow.

972
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:27,760
Speaker 6: One. So I stand out there, you know, sixteen eighteen

973
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 6: hours doing a boil. I'm not going to stand out

974
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:32,600
Speaker 6: there for you know, thirty two hours to get a

975
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 6: gallon a syrup, so it's I would rather and I

976
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:40,360
Speaker 6: heard it's not. The flavor is not as good. So

977
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 6: as long as we have plenty of maples around here

978
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:44,239
Speaker 6: to tap, I'm just going to stick with with.

979
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 7: What we know.

980
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:47,880
Speaker 6: I did add we did add a reverse osmosis system

981
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 6: for this next season, which you can run the sap

982
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 6: through that and that will take out forty to fifty

983
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:55,839
Speaker 6: percent of the water before you even start cooking, because

984
00:53:55,840 --> 00:54:00,439
Speaker 6: the cooking process basically is evaporation, and that will speed

985
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:03,439
Speaker 6: up the cooking time or it'll double my production, which

986
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:06,799
Speaker 6: is what I'm looking at, and we're gonna We're going

987
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:08,840
Speaker 6: to run that this year for the first time ever.

988
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:11,600
Speaker 6: And I know a lot of people do it, this

989
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:13,600
Speaker 6: is the first time for us, But if it changes

990
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:15,600
Speaker 6: the flavor of our syrup, we're going to go back

991
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:17,600
Speaker 6: to the old school way, because that's what means a

992
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:19,799
Speaker 6: lot to us, is our quality. You know, we could

993
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:22,440
Speaker 6: consider ourselves a small batch operation, which is a lot

994
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 6: of hands on. We control everything. We don't use any

995
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 6: any foaming, anti foaming chemicals anything in our syrup. It's

996
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:34,719
Speaker 6: all natural and we're very proud of that and we

997
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 6: want to keep it that way. So we'll see how

998
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:38,680
Speaker 6: it goes. Like I said, the first batch, we're going

999
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:40,480
Speaker 6: to use it and if it changes the flavor, we're

1000
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:41,520
Speaker 6: going back to the oglia.

1001
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 2: Well the reverse osmostis what is a I mean, I've

1002
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:48,480
Speaker 2: heard that a number of times talked about, but I

1003
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:51,719
Speaker 2: know it takes out more of the moisture about as

1004
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:58,640
Speaker 2: you said, But how what is it? It's easy for

1005
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 2: people to say it, and I can say it too,

1006
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:02,680
Speaker 2: but I haven't got a cool what it is.

1007
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:07,279
Speaker 6: It's it's actually it's a pump with a bunch of filters,

1008
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:12,640
Speaker 6: very very fine filters, and it runs through you know.

1009
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:14,439
Speaker 6: And what I'll have to do is when we store

1010
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 6: our sap and plastic garbage cans that are designated just

1011
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 6: for that, we bleach them out every year and they're

1012
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:23,360
Speaker 6: they're super clean. It's not something we put our recycling

1013
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:26,279
Speaker 6: in the other part of the season, you know. So

1014
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:30,360
Speaker 6: and what we'll do is we'll have a couple buckets

1015
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 6: of sap, you know, fresh out of the trees, and

1016
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:34,319
Speaker 6: we run it through. You put hose in there. It

1017
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:38,319
Speaker 6: runs through the system, through the filter system. Then there's

1018
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 6: a small pump there, and what happens is they will

1019
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:43,799
Speaker 6: go into two buckets or two more I should say,

1020
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:47,879
Speaker 6: two more garbage cans. The one hose coming out will

1021
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:51,239
Speaker 6: be pure water. The other hose coming out will be

1022
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:53,680
Speaker 6: our sap that we're gonna want to boil, that we're

1023
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:54,200
Speaker 6: gonna want.

1024
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:54,560
Speaker 3: To cook down.

1025
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:57,360
Speaker 6: So you're gonna end up with with two by products.

1026
00:55:57,360 --> 00:55:58,960
Speaker 6: You're gonna have, you know, the sap that you want

1027
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:01,080
Speaker 6: to keep, and then the pure water that you can

1028
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:06,000
Speaker 6: dump out. You can use it for whatever. But it's basically,

1029
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:08,320
Speaker 6: just like I said, just several filters, and some of

1030
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:11,680
Speaker 6: them are super super fine. That's the only bad thing

1031
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:14,200
Speaker 6: about an RO system is it's a lot of maintenance,

1032
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:17,800
Speaker 6: washing it and keeping it in clean, keeping the filters clean,

1033
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:22,160
Speaker 6: keeping the bacteria out of the filters. That's that's a big,

1034
00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:25,560
Speaker 6: big chore. So, like I said, we're gonna try it.

1035
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:27,520
Speaker 6: We're gonna we're gonna see how it goes. Because there again,

1036
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:29,279
Speaker 6: like the like we're talking about the cold weather, I'm

1037
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:31,239
Speaker 6: getting too old to standouts to eighteen hours a day.

1038
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 6: You know, some mornings a single digits I get the

1039
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:36,600
Speaker 6: big So if I can cut my my boiling town

1040
00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:39,640
Speaker 6: time in half, and I'm and produce the same amount

1041
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:42,200
Speaker 6: that I'm doing now, or I can kind of have

1042
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:44,239
Speaker 6: a happy medium where instead of sixteen hour days, I

1043
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 6: gonna have a twelve hour day and instead of producing

1044
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:49,000
Speaker 6: two gallons of syrup that day, I'm producing you know,

1045
00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:52,040
Speaker 6: three three and a half. That's what I'm kind of

1046
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:52,560
Speaker 6: looking for.

1047
00:56:53,239 --> 00:56:56,760
Speaker 2: So and the last question Tom, with the maple trees,

1048
00:56:57,400 --> 00:57:01,120
Speaker 2: typically how much or what dictates how much SAP you

1049
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:03,360
Speaker 2: get from a particular tree.

1050
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:10,720
Speaker 6: That's all mother nature. That's weather weather driven barometer. We've

1051
00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:12,799
Speaker 6: noticed if we have a storm coming in, a front

1052
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:15,920
Speaker 6: coming in that you know, just like the bite fishing,

1053
00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:17,960
Speaker 6: everything in mother nature is kind of related to that.

1054
00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:20,800
Speaker 6: You know, are the fish biting while the barometer is dropping?

1055
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:22,840
Speaker 6: You know, I mean the SAP runs more when the

1056
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:26,960
Speaker 6: barometer is changing. If you have just steady weather, you'll have,

1057
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:30,040
Speaker 6: you know, a day where you'll get a quarter of

1058
00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:31,760
Speaker 6: a bag and the next day you'll get a full bag.

1059
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:35,240
Speaker 6: It's all it's all weather driven, and it's kind of

1060
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:38,960
Speaker 6: hard to predict there again, Mother nature has its own

1061
00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:42,520
Speaker 6: rules and we just have to follow them.

1062
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:43,760
Speaker 7: But it's we.

1063
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 6: Have some days where we'll go out in the bags

1064
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:47,040
Speaker 6: they're completely full. We'll dump them in the morning and

1065
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:49,040
Speaker 6: they're full again in the afternoon. We'll go out some

1066
00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:51,240
Speaker 6: days where two days they sit there and you'll maybe

1067
00:57:51,240 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 6: have a third of a bag. So it's hard to

1068
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:57,960
Speaker 6: plan anything. You just kind of have to there again,

1069
00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:01,080
Speaker 6: go by the weather. But the is and this happens

1070
00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:03,040
Speaker 6: all the time. And I had to laugh when they're

1071
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:05,880
Speaker 6: talking about the exploding trees in this cold weather that

1072
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:09,960
Speaker 6: we had. I'm sure everybody saw that trees. Mother nature

1073
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:13,040
Speaker 6: is pretty cool because it protects things. And when it's

1074
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:16,760
Speaker 6: really cold like that the trees when we're tapping when

1075
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:19,600
Speaker 6: it's cold out, it pushes the sap down into the

1076
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:23,360
Speaker 6: roots to protect the tree. When it's warm, what it's

1077
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:25,760
Speaker 6: about forty degrees, that sap will come up into the

1078
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 6: limbs to start feeding the buds on the trees, and

1079
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:32,560
Speaker 6: at night it goes back down the into the roots.

1080
00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:34,880
Speaker 6: That's how you get the sappooling in a tree when

1081
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:37,840
Speaker 6: you're putting a tap in it. So what you really wanted,

1082
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:40,080
Speaker 6: you want forties during the day and you want below

1083
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:44,080
Speaker 6: freezing at night. So that's kind of what we look for.

1084
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:46,000
Speaker 6: But there again, it's all up to mother nature. So

1085
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:48,120
Speaker 6: I kind of laughed when I heard the exploding tree things,

1086
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 6: because you know, from my understanding, most of the trees

1087
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:53,440
Speaker 6: push the sap down into the roots in the wintertime

1088
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:56,160
Speaker 6: and they kind of just become dormant. So there's really

1089
00:58:56,160 --> 00:58:58,720
Speaker 6: not moisture in the tree to you know, make it explode.

1090
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:01,440
Speaker 2: But but I know.

1091
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:03,479
Speaker 7: I didn't.

1092
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:05,680
Speaker 6: I didn't see any I didn't hear any of my neighborhoods,

1093
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:06,800
Speaker 6: so I didn't.

1094
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:09,840
Speaker 2: I haven't either. I mean, I hear trucks drive by

1095
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:11,960
Speaker 2: in the morning, but it's usually the base. I can

1096
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:14,480
Speaker 2: hear what it goes by. I has nothing to do

1097
00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:15,200
Speaker 2: with the tree.

1098
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:16,600
Speaker 3: The wood.

1099
00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:18,640
Speaker 6: The wood in my deck was popping pretty loud a

1100
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:20,080
Speaker 6: couple of evenings where it was cooling down.

1101
00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:25,040
Speaker 2: But oh, okay, I'd said it last question, but it's not.

1102
00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:30,880
Speaker 2: How when can you tell that the sap is done running.

1103
00:59:32,520 --> 00:59:34,760
Speaker 6: It just when it comes out of a tree. It's

1104
00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:38,840
Speaker 6: it's crystal clear. I mean, it is absolutely the purest

1105
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:42,240
Speaker 6: looking liquid there is. I mean, it is clean, clean,

1106
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:46,960
Speaker 6: pure clear color. Once it starts getting cloudy, if there's

1107
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:50,480
Speaker 6: any tint to a yellowness or cloudiness to it, it's done.

1108
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:55,320
Speaker 6: It becomes bitter. That is no good anymore, is at

1109
00:59:55,360 --> 00:59:57,840
Speaker 6: the end of the season. Well, we used to think

1110
00:59:57,840 --> 01:00:00,120
Speaker 6: it was till one season. I had a buddy of

1111
01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:03,560
Speaker 6: mine and I used to help, and I went to

1112
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:05,720
Speaker 6: a tree and on one side of the tree he

1113
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:07,400
Speaker 6: had he had a bucket. He'd put the spouts and

1114
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:09,360
Speaker 6: the buckets on her. One side of the tree it

1115
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:13,760
Speaker 6: was clear. One side of the tree was cloudy. Same tree. Well,

1116
01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:16,240
Speaker 6: everything started getting cloudy. We thought, well, we're done, you know,

1117
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:17,880
Speaker 6: at the end of the season. This that, and we

1118
01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:20,480
Speaker 6: had a couple of mornings where the lowers were in

1119
01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:23,240
Speaker 6: the in the double digits. I think it was fifteen degrees.

1120
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:26,360
Speaker 6: A couple of mornings, the sap reverted back to clear.

1121
01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:28,800
Speaker 6: It went from cloudy back to clear. And we've never

1122
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:32,520
Speaker 6: seen that before. So it's, you know, it's one of

1123
01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:35,440
Speaker 6: those things where there again mother nature. Yeah, you know,

1124
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:39,680
Speaker 6: you just got to keep track of it and watch it.

1125
01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:42,880
Speaker 6: And you know, but normally, normally what happens with us

1126
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:45,080
Speaker 6: is the last few years, it's it's we've had a

1127
01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:48,040
Speaker 6: pretty good season. It runs pretty steady for quite a while,

1128
01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:50,520
Speaker 6: and what good to a point where we're just where

1129
01:00:50,560 --> 01:00:52,360
Speaker 6: we're just tired of it. It's like a lot of things,

1130
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:57,160
Speaker 6: you know, we enjoy it. It's fun, it's very very rewarding.

1131
01:00:57,600 --> 01:01:01,800
Speaker 6: But when it becomes work, the fund goes away, you know.

1132
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:05,840
Speaker 6: So last year I think I did eight or nine boils,

1133
01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:09,000
Speaker 6: which is you know, just just think those are sixteen

1134
01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:13,040
Speaker 6: eighteen hour days plus another probably you know, eight hours

1135
01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:17,320
Speaker 6: of finishing that product. So it takes some time. And

1136
01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:20,080
Speaker 6: like I said, after eight or nine, after about five

1137
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:22,240
Speaker 6: or six, it starts becoming work. You know, you got

1138
01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:24,000
Speaker 6: to force yourself to get out of bed four o'clock

1139
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:27,360
Speaker 6: in the morning, get the fire going, and it's it's

1140
01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:30,840
Speaker 6: still a hobby for us. So you know, if people

1141
01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:32,520
Speaker 6: are you know, and people can do it, we have

1142
01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:34,240
Speaker 6: people that right and bring it right in town. My

1143
01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:36,320
Speaker 6: wife's nurse at the hospital. Right across the road from

1144
01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:38,439
Speaker 6: the hospital, there's a house with a couple of big

1145
01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:42,640
Speaker 6: maple trees. They'll put out maybe half a dozen bags

1146
01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:45,600
Speaker 6: on those trees, and I'm sure they probably cook it

1147
01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:47,160
Speaker 6: down on the stove in the house. So if you're

1148
01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:49,080
Speaker 6: I mean, you could be living in the Twin Cities.

1149
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:51,200
Speaker 6: If you've got a couple of maple trees in your yard,

1150
01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:53,800
Speaker 6: go to Fleet Farm buy a couple of spiles, buy

1151
01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:56,720
Speaker 6: a couple of hangers, and some bags, and as long

1152
01:01:56,760 --> 01:01:58,959
Speaker 6: as you store it in the refrigerator, you can store

1153
01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:01,760
Speaker 6: the sap for the week and just get enough to

1154
01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:03,320
Speaker 6: where you can just cook it down on your stove

1155
01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:05,160
Speaker 6: and try out. It's kind of fun. It's kind of

1156
01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:07,280
Speaker 6: a fun hobby. You don't have to be out in

1157
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:09,440
Speaker 6: the middle of nowhere. You don't have to have forty too,

1158
01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:11,720
Speaker 6: you know. I know people that do over two hundred tabs.

1159
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:14,360
Speaker 6: You can do it with just a handful, and there's

1160
01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:18,840
Speaker 6: nothing really expensive to buy. We do it just by

1161
01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:21,600
Speaker 6: taste and texture, and then when our finished product, we

1162
01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:23,720
Speaker 6: do by temperature with a candy Tromo.

1163
01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:27,080
Speaker 2: Tom. If people want to get in the board, to

1164
01:02:27,080 --> 01:02:31,240
Speaker 2: get in the boat way ahead of myself, I'd like

1165
01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:33,840
Speaker 2: to go fishing with you on the ice or in

1166
01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:36,160
Speaker 2: the boat later. How can they get in touch with.

1167
01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:39,320
Speaker 6: You, Well, I don't really guide in the winter time,

1168
01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:43,360
Speaker 6: but I'm guiding all summer long, and if they really

1169
01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:44,560
Speaker 6: want to get a hold of me, you can go

1170
01:02:44,640 --> 01:02:47,120
Speaker 6: to my I've got my personal website, and I've got

1171
01:02:47,160 --> 01:02:51,919
Speaker 6: another website that's called I'm outdoors Guide Service. Okay, don't

1172
01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:53,640
Speaker 6: ask me where the I'm out Doors came from, but

1173
01:02:53,680 --> 01:02:56,080
Speaker 6: it was years ago. So it's I'm Outdoors Guide service.

1174
01:02:56,560 --> 01:02:58,960
Speaker 6: My phone numbers on there, my emails on there, everything

1175
01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:00,400
Speaker 6: is on there. You can get a hold to me.

1176
01:03:01,680 --> 01:03:03,960
Speaker 6: You know. I'll start guiding when the crappies start moving

1177
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:06,200
Speaker 6: in in the in the early spring, you know, probably

1178
01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:08,040
Speaker 6: in April, and I'll go all the way through fall.

1179
01:03:08,080 --> 01:03:12,000
Speaker 6: We had a fantastic fall last year again for everything

1180
01:03:12,200 --> 01:03:17,280
Speaker 6: bass Walley's Big Pike and I you know, I'm one

1181
01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:19,280
Speaker 6: of those people and you can I like to talk

1182
01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:22,800
Speaker 6: my wife. Could I go into a I'll go into

1183
01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:25,680
Speaker 6: a shop, a sports shop or a fleet farm or something,

1184
01:03:25,720 --> 01:03:27,960
Speaker 6: and somebody will ask a question that she just rolls

1185
01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:29,520
Speaker 6: her eyes and walks away because she knows it's going

1186
01:03:29,560 --> 01:03:33,040
Speaker 6: to be an hour. But you know, somebody asked me

1187
01:03:33,040 --> 01:03:34,360
Speaker 6: wants to He said, why do you give away all

1188
01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:36,720
Speaker 6: your secrets? And I said secrets. You know, I've spent

1189
01:03:36,760 --> 01:03:39,080
Speaker 6: over fifty years on the water in a boat on

1190
01:03:39,160 --> 01:03:41,280
Speaker 6: the ice doing this stuff. It's been my whole life.

1191
01:03:41,320 --> 01:03:44,000
Speaker 6: I've made a living, you know, as a sales rep

1192
01:03:44,200 --> 01:03:49,320
Speaker 6: in the outdoor industry and fishing and guiding and I said, someday,

1193
01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:51,120
Speaker 6: I'm not going to be here any longer. And what's

1194
01:03:51,120 --> 01:03:54,320
Speaker 6: it going to do? All this, all my information I've collected,

1195
01:03:54,880 --> 01:03:57,440
Speaker 6: all the trial and error that I've I've gone through,

1196
01:03:58,440 --> 01:04:00,160
Speaker 6: and you know, all my time on the water, I'm

1197
01:04:00,200 --> 01:04:03,160
Speaker 6: just gonna take it with me to the grave. Well

1198
01:04:03,160 --> 01:04:05,680
Speaker 6: that makes no sense, you know, It's why would I

1199
01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:08,320
Speaker 6: have done that? You know, all that time? And so

1200
01:04:08,560 --> 01:04:10,080
Speaker 6: I share it with you know, I talked to some

1201
01:04:10,120 --> 01:04:13,680
Speaker 6: of the high school fishing teams. I'm willing to tell

1202
01:04:13,680 --> 01:04:15,880
Speaker 6: you just about everything. I won't show you my spots

1203
01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:18,320
Speaker 6: and the GPS coordinates, but I will I will share

1204
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:21,920
Speaker 6: everything I've learned over the last fifty plus years with you,

1205
01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:24,919
Speaker 6: no problem. I have no problem with that. Like I said,

1206
01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:27,520
Speaker 6: it's I'd rather share it than take it to the

1207
01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:30,640
Speaker 6: grave with me. And you know what, what was that

1208
01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:33,000
Speaker 6: any good for? You know, being selfish with all that?

1209
01:04:35,080 --> 01:04:36,800
Speaker 6: But anyway, stuff rambling.

1210
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:40,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, Tom, thank you so much for your time, my friend.

1211
01:04:40,960 --> 01:04:45,160
Speaker 2: I appreciate it and we'll talk again. But until that time,

1212
01:04:45,240 --> 01:04:46,800
Speaker 2: good fishing and have a fun time.

1213
01:04:47,920 --> 01:04:49,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, thank you, thanks for having me anytime.

1214
01:04:50,120 --> 01:04:53,160
Speaker 2: Thanks you bet we will do it again. That's Tom

1215
01:04:53,320 --> 01:04:59,880
Speaker 2: Whitehead up in the Brainerd Lakes area of the Encyclopedia

1216
01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:03,840
Speaker 2: of Knowledge and willing to share. We'll take a pause

1217
01:05:03,880 --> 01:05:08,600
Speaker 2: and be back with mister Steve carass Away of Wileye

1218
01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:23,520
Speaker 2: Hunter Guide Service on Vermillion right after this twenty four

1219
01:05:23,560 --> 01:05:26,320
Speaker 2: minutes after the hour of seven o'clock. I am late

1220
01:05:26,520 --> 01:05:30,640
Speaker 2: getting to our next guest, but I do apologize beforehand.

1221
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:33,080
Speaker 2: We're going to talk. We're going to take you up

1222
01:05:33,120 --> 01:05:38,560
Speaker 2: to Vermillion and talk to the owner of Walleye Hunter

1223
01:05:39,320 --> 01:05:45,280
Speaker 2: Guide Service on Lake Vermillion, mister Steve carass Away. Steve,

1224
01:05:45,720 --> 01:05:48,680
Speaker 2: sorry about the late start, but we'll make it better.

1225
01:05:49,720 --> 01:05:51,200
Speaker 2: Good morning, and how are you, sir?

1226
01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:55,080
Speaker 7: Good morning, Good morning to you guys. Thanks for having me.

1227
01:05:55,120 --> 01:05:58,080
Speaker 7: Really appreciate being on. I don't mind it delayed. Is

1228
01:05:58,680 --> 01:06:01,120
Speaker 7: it's cold up here. I'm sitting the shorte Lake very Million,

1229
01:06:01,240 --> 01:06:04,200
Speaker 7: ready to head out and go after some walle eyes

1230
01:06:04,320 --> 01:06:07,840
Speaker 7: today kind of you know, first warm up we've had

1231
01:06:07,880 --> 01:06:10,040
Speaker 7: in a while, so the fisher are starting to bite

1232
01:06:10,040 --> 01:06:12,720
Speaker 7: a little better. So excited to get back on the

1233
01:06:12,760 --> 01:06:14,680
Speaker 7: ice here. As soon as we get off the phone.

1234
01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:17,600
Speaker 2: Well, no, have you been on the ice during this

1235
01:06:17,720 --> 01:06:18,360
Speaker 2: cold spell?

1236
01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:23,080
Speaker 7: Well, I was out last Sunday. It wore was kind

1237
01:06:23,080 --> 01:06:25,160
Speaker 7: of the first day got warmer and I got out.

1238
01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:27,440
Speaker 7: I had about a week and a half off and

1239
01:06:27,680 --> 01:06:32,360
Speaker 7: went out and did really well last last Sunday evening,

1240
01:06:32,920 --> 01:06:34,960
Speaker 7: and then took a week off, and then you know,

1241
01:06:35,080 --> 01:06:37,920
Speaker 7: last yesterday, I went out with a buddy. I got

1242
01:06:37,960 --> 01:06:40,480
Speaker 7: a guide buddy justin chrome up here, and you can

1243
01:06:40,480 --> 01:06:42,240
Speaker 7: get the ice fish a whole lot. And I got

1244
01:06:42,240 --> 01:06:45,240
Speaker 7: the permanent shack out right now, so and up here

1245
01:06:45,280 --> 01:06:50,360
Speaker 7: you can drive anyone. I am not a big opponent

1246
01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:53,200
Speaker 7: of driving vehicles on the lake, although most people are.

1247
01:06:53,880 --> 01:06:58,760
Speaker 7: But I have a portable illuminolite shack that I can

1248
01:06:58,800 --> 01:07:02,000
Speaker 7: put anywhere on the lake, and normally a snowmobile to it.

1249
01:07:02,120 --> 01:07:05,400
Speaker 7: So my dad usually doesn't come with me my friends

1250
01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:07,600
Speaker 7: just because it's cold to get out there. But now

1251
01:07:07,640 --> 01:07:09,960
Speaker 7: I can drive a truck to it, so I had

1252
01:07:10,080 --> 01:07:12,360
Speaker 7: justin come out yesterday. We had a lot of laughs.

1253
01:07:12,680 --> 01:07:14,960
Speaker 7: We caught some nice fish, and of course we missed

1254
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:18,480
Speaker 7: more fish than we caught, but we're getting some really

1255
01:07:18,600 --> 01:07:21,280
Speaker 7: nice sized fish right now. We've got no dinks. Yesterday.

1256
01:07:22,320 --> 01:07:25,080
Speaker 7: We're just getting a lot of those solid sixteen to

1257
01:07:25,120 --> 01:07:27,960
Speaker 7: eighteen inch fish. And I had one that was I

1258
01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:31,040
Speaker 7: think thirty right up the hole, in on the hole

1259
01:07:31,080 --> 01:07:33,959
Speaker 7: and fell off, and it was most this pointy fish

1260
01:07:33,960 --> 01:07:35,520
Speaker 7: I've had on of the year, that's for sure.

1261
01:07:35,640 --> 01:07:40,800
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, I've caught over thirty on soft water.

1262
01:07:41,320 --> 01:07:44,840
Speaker 2: I can't imagine steve through the ice. I just can't imagine.

1263
01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:48,520
Speaker 7: I was nervous, like I was literally shaking. I've never

1264
01:07:48,520 --> 01:07:51,120
Speaker 7: got thirty on the ice either. And I was explainings

1265
01:07:51,200 --> 01:07:54,120
Speaker 7: right before Justin showed up and I explained to him

1266
01:07:54,320 --> 01:07:56,720
Speaker 7: exactly how it was. It was like this wouldn't fight,

1267
01:07:56,760 --> 01:07:58,720
Speaker 7: it would just kind of sit there and then it

1268
01:07:58,760 --> 01:08:01,880
Speaker 7: would move a little bit. And He's like, yeah, I'm

1269
01:08:01,880 --> 01:08:03,560
Speaker 7: not hundreds in sure it was a wall like that,

1270
01:08:04,200 --> 01:08:06,760
Speaker 7: but I'm pretty pretty shirt the way it was fighting

1271
01:08:06,760 --> 01:08:09,240
Speaker 7: and I saw at the bottom of the hole. But man,

1272
01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:11,040
Speaker 7: that's what you live for. That's the fun of these

1273
01:08:11,520 --> 01:08:14,640
Speaker 7: ice fishing adventures. And right now we're kind of lucky.

1274
01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:17,800
Speaker 7: You're we don't have the luck you. Lake of the

1275
01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:20,599
Speaker 7: Woods has that mid day bite all winter. Lake Vermilion

1276
01:08:20,680 --> 01:08:23,720
Speaker 7: is generally in morning and evening bite. But you know,

1277
01:08:23,840 --> 01:08:26,960
Speaker 7: we had the the full moon a couple of days ago,

1278
01:08:27,120 --> 01:08:30,280
Speaker 7: so with the full moon on Vermillion, it typically means

1279
01:08:30,320 --> 01:08:34,839
Speaker 7: the midday bite is much better and the late night bite,

1280
01:08:35,520 --> 01:08:38,479
Speaker 7: so like last night, even with a clear sky and

1281
01:08:39,320 --> 01:08:42,120
Speaker 7: close to a full moon. This morning, I've already gotten

1282
01:08:42,200 --> 01:08:45,799
Speaker 7: pictures some people at the on the sleeperhouses on Vermilion.

1283
01:08:45,840 --> 01:08:48,559
Speaker 7: There's a nice sleeper system on Vermillion here out of

1284
01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:52,280
Speaker 7: Lake Vermilion ice fishing, and they do the spots of

1285
01:08:52,320 --> 01:08:54,240
Speaker 7: the ice castles. And I'm already getting pictures this morning.

1286
01:08:54,240 --> 01:08:55,920
Speaker 7: And the people with some nice slot fish overnight.

1287
01:08:57,200 --> 01:09:01,280
Speaker 2: Interesting. That would be fun, I guess. I don't know.

1288
01:09:03,600 --> 01:09:04,920
Speaker 7: Do you want to get wake up in the middle

1289
01:09:04,960 --> 01:09:07,840
Speaker 7: of the night and get out of bed and do it?

1290
01:09:07,880 --> 01:09:10,000
Speaker 7: Some people love it, you know, maybe once a night,

1291
01:09:10,080 --> 01:09:12,320
Speaker 7: but you know, I.

1292
01:09:12,400 --> 01:09:16,400
Speaker 2: Was, I'm just not that. I'm not that mad at

1293
01:09:16,439 --> 01:09:18,840
Speaker 2: anything anymore. I used to be.

1294
01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:21,160
Speaker 7: Yeah, I know. And most of the night they're the

1295
01:09:21,200 --> 01:09:22,920
Speaker 7: ones that are too big to keep anyway, so you're

1296
01:09:23,120 --> 01:09:25,679
Speaker 7: you're getting a nice photo. But that's what you get.

1297
01:09:25,720 --> 01:09:27,680
Speaker 7: And so some people live for that and just love it.

1298
01:09:29,320 --> 01:09:30,720
Speaker 2: What are you using for bait then?

1299
01:09:30,840 --> 01:09:36,160
Speaker 7: Primarily, well, I'm a go to Swedish pimple mintohead guy.

1300
01:09:36,200 --> 01:09:40,200
Speaker 7: That's what I used ninety percent of the time. But lately,

1301
01:09:40,200 --> 01:09:42,840
Speaker 7: I've been kind of using some more these somo's and

1302
01:09:43,720 --> 01:09:47,400
Speaker 7: slab wraps just because catching fish like this to try

1303
01:09:47,439 --> 01:09:51,400
Speaker 7: an experiment and uh, to see what's biting. And you know,

1304
01:09:51,960 --> 01:09:54,960
Speaker 7: sometimes if I have a fish come up three times

1305
01:09:55,360 --> 01:09:57,880
Speaker 7: and look at my lure, this is you know, this

1306
01:09:57,960 --> 01:09:59,920
Speaker 7: is kind of justin cromy was explaining to me yesterday

1307
01:10:00,520 --> 01:10:03,479
Speaker 7: his old thing three times too. And if it comes

1308
01:10:03,560 --> 01:10:06,519
Speaker 7: up and really looks and three times they don't bite,

1309
01:10:07,040 --> 01:10:09,920
Speaker 7: then you switch lures. And the one thing that I

1310
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:12,439
Speaker 7: kind of learned though too is on a vex flower,

1311
01:10:12,560 --> 01:10:14,839
Speaker 7: just because you have a fish clumb three times not bite,

1312
01:10:15,040 --> 01:10:17,400
Speaker 7: it doesn't mean it's a fish you're looking for. With

1313
01:10:17,560 --> 01:10:20,320
Speaker 7: these live scopes, now I can tell ope, that's only

1314
01:10:20,439 --> 01:10:22,479
Speaker 7: eight inch fish. You know, if you have eight in

1315
01:10:22,560 --> 01:10:27,040
Speaker 7: fish comp to you three times and not bite. So

1316
01:10:27,040 --> 01:10:28,600
Speaker 7: that's one of the biggest things I've learned with this

1317
01:10:28,680 --> 01:10:32,320
Speaker 7: live scope is I can tell what kind of fish

1318
01:10:32,360 --> 01:10:34,639
Speaker 7: they are. They make sure that foxy on the right size,

1319
01:10:34,800 --> 01:10:36,600
Speaker 7: so then I know, hey, it's not biting. Hey, I

1320
01:10:36,600 --> 01:10:37,799
Speaker 7: don't want the one to bite anyway.

1321
01:10:39,120 --> 01:10:45,240
Speaker 2: Interesting, all right, Well, if you're using a middle head

1322
01:10:46,280 --> 01:10:52,280
Speaker 2: and is that primarily fat head or what kind of

1323
01:10:52,320 --> 01:10:54,000
Speaker 2: does it? They can make a difference what kind of

1324
01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:56,960
Speaker 2: minno as it is or is it just the descent

1325
01:10:57,120 --> 01:10:58,719
Speaker 2: from pinching it off.

1326
01:10:59,840 --> 01:11:02,160
Speaker 7: I think it's just the scent. So if I could

1327
01:11:02,160 --> 01:11:04,680
Speaker 7: please any of the fat heads or the chubbs. I'm

1328
01:11:04,680 --> 01:11:08,679
Speaker 7: not a big shiner guy, mostly because they die pretty quick,

1329
01:11:08,720 --> 01:11:13,080
Speaker 7: but I've always wanted to drive down to Sink Cloud

1330
01:11:13,080 --> 01:11:14,840
Speaker 7: and get some of those brassy shiners. I also had

1331
01:11:14,840 --> 01:11:17,080
Speaker 7: to convince my wife that, hey, you need to drive

1332
01:11:17,160 --> 01:11:18,880
Speaker 7: down there and get me some of these because I

1333
01:11:19,080 --> 01:11:21,840
Speaker 7: need to try them. So next time I go to

1334
01:11:21,880 --> 01:11:24,800
Speaker 7: sink Cloud, I don't care when it is, and go

1335
01:11:24,920 --> 01:11:26,800
Speaker 7: Sox Center. I mean, and I'm gonna get some of

1336
01:11:26,800 --> 01:11:28,679
Speaker 7: these brassy shiners and give them a time er million,

1337
01:11:28,720 --> 01:11:30,760
Speaker 7: because like that's like what I really want to talk,

1338
01:11:30,920 --> 01:11:31,920
Speaker 7: just to see if they work.

1339
01:11:32,439 --> 01:11:34,760
Speaker 2: They do work. I don't know if they work up there,

1340
01:11:34,800 --> 01:11:40,599
Speaker 2: but I can testify Steve that they they're a wild mintal.

1341
01:11:40,960 --> 01:11:43,479
Speaker 2: I mean, when you put them on a hook, they

1342
01:11:43,640 --> 01:11:47,080
Speaker 2: are nothing but wild. And when Fletcher brought him out

1343
01:11:47,120 --> 01:11:49,240
Speaker 2: and showed it to me in a jar the first

1344
01:11:49,280 --> 01:11:53,679
Speaker 2: time he was out on the air with me two

1345
01:11:53,720 --> 01:11:57,480
Speaker 2: three years ago, it was like it was on steroids.

1346
01:11:57,680 --> 01:11:59,640
Speaker 2: I mean, you give it some speed and that's what

1347
01:11:59,680 --> 01:12:02,680
Speaker 2: it was the whole time, just killing that all.

1348
01:12:02,720 --> 01:12:05,120
Speaker 7: That's what makes a good minno. I mean, the livelier

1349
01:12:05,160 --> 01:12:07,400
Speaker 7: it is, the more fish you're gonna catch. When you

1350
01:12:07,400 --> 01:12:10,879
Speaker 7: see your minnow down there moving around, your bobbers bouncing,

1351
01:12:11,439 --> 01:12:13,360
Speaker 7: even with no fish are on, that's the one it's

1352
01:12:13,360 --> 01:12:15,400
Speaker 7: gonna get a fish. So sometimes your bobber moving and

1353
01:12:15,439 --> 01:12:17,880
Speaker 7: you go, one's biting it. No, that minno is just

1354
01:12:17,880 --> 01:12:20,320
Speaker 7: getting excited. And the bigger than minnow the marks say

1355
01:12:20,400 --> 01:12:22,000
Speaker 7: they get when a fish comes, they try to get

1356
01:12:22,040 --> 01:12:24,720
Speaker 7: away and that really triggers them the bite. Yeah, it

1357
01:12:24,720 --> 01:12:29,040
Speaker 7: seems like lately some days it's either all rattle reels

1358
01:12:29,080 --> 01:12:32,160
Speaker 7: and bobbers or all jigs, And it's kind of switching

1359
01:12:32,240 --> 01:12:34,360
Speaker 7: day to day too. So it's like I always start

1360
01:12:34,439 --> 01:12:37,120
Speaker 7: out with a rattle reel down or a bobber and

1361
01:12:37,200 --> 01:12:39,679
Speaker 7: a jig, And sometimes if they're just putting the rattle reels,

1362
01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:42,600
Speaker 7: you always put two rattle reels down and sitting and

1363
01:12:42,600 --> 01:12:44,400
Speaker 7: watch them both, and sometimes that's more productive.

1364
01:12:45,439 --> 01:12:49,120
Speaker 2: Well, does your whatever you're fishing with, does it change

1365
01:12:49,240 --> 01:12:53,160
Speaker 2: in soft water time or you're pretty much Swedish pimpoles

1366
01:12:53,280 --> 01:12:56,320
Speaker 2: and jigging in the summer too.

1367
01:12:57,800 --> 01:13:00,240
Speaker 7: Now summer is completely different. I've never even I do

1368
01:13:00,240 --> 01:13:02,639
Speaker 7: the sweetsh pimple in the summer, although I have thought

1369
01:13:02,680 --> 01:13:05,200
Speaker 7: about it. You know, the summer is more of the

1370
01:13:05,520 --> 01:13:09,960
Speaker 7: classic jigg and minnow jigging worm and and lindy rigging

1371
01:13:10,320 --> 01:13:13,759
Speaker 7: with a bug driven maypicker million A lot of times

1372
01:13:13,760 --> 01:13:16,880
Speaker 7: that dragging in the bottom with a lindy rig in

1373
01:13:16,960 --> 01:13:19,320
Speaker 7: the mud is the ticket to get these fish because

1374
01:13:19,320 --> 01:13:22,920
Speaker 7: they're always chasing the bug larvae on the bottom. And

1375
01:13:22,960 --> 01:13:25,720
Speaker 7: these fish are kind of you know, more body work

1376
01:13:25,760 --> 01:13:28,160
Speaker 7: bottle rinted than a lot of the clear lakes.

1377
01:13:28,160 --> 01:13:33,760
Speaker 2: So it's interesting. Yeah, you sent me a picture with

1378
01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:37,519
Speaker 2: some fish that were not loleyes and said it was

1379
01:13:38,160 --> 01:13:40,320
Speaker 2: interesting years this year for that.

1380
01:13:41,520 --> 01:13:43,960
Speaker 7: Oh so we had a kind of a late fall

1381
01:13:44,040 --> 01:13:48,920
Speaker 7: this year where the water slowed cooled down slowly, so

1382
01:13:48,960 --> 01:13:50,840
Speaker 7: the white fish and two of these spawn was a

1383
01:13:50,880 --> 01:13:53,960
Speaker 7: little bit later. I do a lot of netting for

1384
01:13:54,040 --> 01:13:58,320
Speaker 7: whitefish and in this lake too, and so that the

1385
01:13:58,800 --> 01:14:02,320
Speaker 7: spawn with a little slow, so the white fish stayed

1386
01:14:02,360 --> 01:14:06,439
Speaker 7: in the spawning areas. Once the ice froze. These white

1387
01:14:06,439 --> 01:14:08,839
Speaker 7: fish they spawn in the fall, they'll lay their eggs

1388
01:14:09,640 --> 01:14:11,400
Speaker 7: in the same age as toolkies do, and then those

1389
01:14:11,439 --> 01:14:13,280
Speaker 7: eggs will sit on the bottom of the lake all

1390
01:14:13,320 --> 01:14:17,240
Speaker 7: winter and then they'll hatch in the spring. So these walls,

1391
01:14:17,439 --> 01:14:21,200
Speaker 7: these white fish were still hanging around these sandy gravel

1392
01:14:21,840 --> 01:14:26,240
Speaker 7: shoreline breaks, and when we started fishing them, we started

1393
01:14:26,240 --> 01:14:29,439
Speaker 7: marking these giant fish and we're like, oh my god,

1394
01:14:29,600 --> 01:14:31,760
Speaker 7: Like this is middle of the day and we catch

1395
01:14:31,800 --> 01:14:36,280
Speaker 7: the first one and it's about a seven pound of

1396
01:14:36,520 --> 01:14:39,920
Speaker 7: lake whitefish and we could barely get it through the

1397
01:14:39,920 --> 01:14:41,760
Speaker 7: hole and we're like, oh my god. And we would

1398
01:14:41,800 --> 01:14:43,479
Speaker 7: be marked like four or five of them before we

1399
01:14:43,520 --> 01:14:45,640
Speaker 7: caught that one. By the end of the day, I

1400
01:14:45,680 --> 01:14:51,360
Speaker 7: think we had a dozen whitefish between five and eight pounds.

1401
01:14:53,200 --> 01:14:57,200
Speaker 7: Eight walleyes that were, you know, fourteen to sixteen eighteen inches,

1402
01:14:57,240 --> 01:15:02,400
Speaker 7: and these whitefish just drew the nice size walleyes. It

1403
01:15:02,479 --> 01:15:05,200
Speaker 7: was one of the most memorable days fishing I've ever had.

1404
01:15:05,200 --> 01:15:07,800
Speaker 7: Have never had it that good. But they get a

1405
01:15:07,920 --> 01:15:10,400
Speaker 7: unique species like that. These white fish are just a

1406
01:15:11,000 --> 01:15:14,200
Speaker 7: great eating fish too. They're not like tool fees are

1407
01:15:14,240 --> 01:15:17,360
Speaker 7: the you know, the very similar and a lot of

1408
01:15:17,360 --> 01:15:19,680
Speaker 7: people can't tell the difference. But if you look at

1409
01:15:19,720 --> 01:15:23,280
Speaker 7: them side by side, it's night and day difference. When

1410
01:15:23,360 --> 01:15:25,320
Speaker 7: you see the the white fish is more of a

1411
01:15:25,360 --> 01:15:29,360
Speaker 7: bottom feeder, so the top of the mouth overhanging because

1412
01:15:29,400 --> 01:15:32,040
Speaker 7: that's an overbite because they're digging in the rocks where

1413
01:15:32,040 --> 01:15:35,120
Speaker 7: a tulip most time feeds up, so that bottom lip

1414
01:15:35,720 --> 01:15:38,160
Speaker 7: sticks out as they're always kind of going to the

1415
01:15:38,160 --> 01:15:40,240
Speaker 7: surface and feeding on the surface in those bugs.

1416
01:15:41,120 --> 01:15:43,839
Speaker 2: Huh. Interesting, But they are a good eating fish.

1417
01:15:44,040 --> 01:15:48,760
Speaker 7: The white fish, oh, the white fish are incredible.

1418
01:15:49,000 --> 01:15:49,160
Speaker 6: You know.

1419
01:15:49,840 --> 01:15:51,320
Speaker 7: One way to tell there's between a tulipe and a

1420
01:15:51,360 --> 01:15:53,880
Speaker 7: whitefish if you get one in your hand and you

1421
01:15:53,920 --> 01:15:57,759
Speaker 7: start stinking and you're like, oh, that's the tulip. Tulip

1422
01:15:57,840 --> 01:15:59,240
Speaker 7: be I don't get that. I mix it up to

1423
01:15:59,320 --> 01:16:01,800
Speaker 7: it's two of bees with a bee. But two of

1424
01:16:01,840 --> 01:16:05,160
Speaker 7: these are very stinky. We call them stinkies up here.

1425
01:16:05,200 --> 01:16:09,479
Speaker 7: But the white fish has no smell and just a

1426
01:16:09,520 --> 01:16:13,000
Speaker 7: great great fish. You can pan, fry it, bake it,

1427
01:16:13,600 --> 01:16:15,760
Speaker 7: and smoking it of course is very good. It's one

1428
01:16:15,760 --> 01:16:17,720
Speaker 7: of those fish you can do all three different things.

1429
01:16:17,800 --> 01:16:18,960
Speaker 7: That's very very good.

1430
01:16:19,560 --> 01:16:21,920
Speaker 2: I'll bet they've got a fight too when you get

1431
01:16:21,920 --> 01:16:25,360
Speaker 2: those on because looking at the tail they've got to

1432
01:16:25,479 --> 01:16:27,160
Speaker 2: have a lot of power in that.

1433
01:16:29,200 --> 01:16:31,800
Speaker 7: It is. It's like taking like a big blue gill

1434
01:16:31,880 --> 01:16:34,519
Speaker 7: almost like it's a combination of a blue gill and

1435
01:16:34,560 --> 01:16:36,880
Speaker 7: a small mouth bass and you put it all together

1436
01:16:37,040 --> 01:16:40,280
Speaker 7: and it's a fighting machine. And we're pretty they didn't

1437
01:16:40,280 --> 01:16:42,160
Speaker 7: fight right away to hook them on the bottom and

1438
01:16:42,160 --> 01:16:44,960
Speaker 7: we're like, huh, well, I think at first, I think

1439
01:16:44,960 --> 01:16:47,559
Speaker 7: we got a little walleye well halfway up to hold.

1440
01:16:47,600 --> 01:16:51,240
Speaker 7: These things just took off. So it was it was

1441
01:16:51,320 --> 01:16:52,920
Speaker 7: unique like that too. So when you hook them, we

1442
01:16:52,960 --> 01:16:54,679
Speaker 7: missed one, like I don't know what it was for sure,

1443
01:16:54,720 --> 01:16:56,800
Speaker 7: but once you got them halfway up, you really knew

1444
01:16:56,800 --> 01:16:59,160
Speaker 7: it is a white fish because they go sideways and

1445
01:16:59,200 --> 01:17:00,559
Speaker 7: they go and they pull.

1446
01:17:01,280 --> 01:17:02,400
Speaker 2: What do you catch them? Honesty?

1447
01:17:03,880 --> 01:17:10,519
Speaker 7: It was the same Swedish pimple and middlehead, so we

1448
01:17:10,520 --> 01:17:12,400
Speaker 7: weren't targeting now. We were in a walleye spot. We

1449
01:17:12,439 --> 01:17:14,800
Speaker 7: think we had a good day of walleyes at the

1450
01:17:14,840 --> 01:17:17,240
Speaker 7: time too, so it was, you know, it was literally

1451
01:17:17,280 --> 01:17:19,320
Speaker 7: an accident how we ran into him, but it was,

1452
01:17:19,800 --> 01:17:22,719
Speaker 7: you know, really close. It was right off the shore

1453
01:17:22,840 --> 01:17:24,719
Speaker 7: where I met my two will be in white fish,

1454
01:17:24,720 --> 01:17:26,320
Speaker 7: so I kind of knew they were in the area

1455
01:17:26,360 --> 01:17:29,599
Speaker 7: this time of year. But we were just targeting walleye

1456
01:17:29,600 --> 01:17:31,680
Speaker 7: and happened to get lucky and have a great day

1457
01:17:31,720 --> 01:17:32,519
Speaker 7: of white fish fishing.

1458
01:17:33,160 --> 01:17:35,479
Speaker 2: When will you start guiding soft water? I suppose you

1459
01:17:35,520 --> 01:17:36,800
Speaker 2: need soft water, that's the.

1460
01:17:38,240 --> 01:17:40,639
Speaker 7: Yeah, so right away in the spring. I mean, that's

1461
01:17:40,760 --> 01:17:43,320
Speaker 7: the absolute best time in Lake Premillion is in themate

1462
01:17:43,439 --> 01:17:45,960
Speaker 7: to mid June. That's the time when you get the

1463
01:17:45,960 --> 01:17:48,040
Speaker 7: big fish. Most of the pictures on a million of

1464
01:17:48,080 --> 01:17:50,439
Speaker 7: those slot fish and stuff, ninety tent of my big

1465
01:17:50,479 --> 01:17:54,720
Speaker 7: fish come before mid June, and they're shallow and they're

1466
01:17:54,840 --> 01:17:58,080
Speaker 7: fun to catch. So I really looked forward to that

1467
01:17:58,520 --> 01:18:01,479
Speaker 7: open water season. I'm getting boat rigged up already. We

1468
01:18:01,479 --> 01:18:05,439
Speaker 7: were talking strategy last night of you know, just even

1469
01:18:05,479 --> 01:18:07,840
Speaker 7: getting over care of your buddies and talking about you know,

1470
01:18:07,920 --> 01:18:10,200
Speaker 7: we were talking about leg core last night and to

1471
01:18:10,479 --> 01:18:13,360
Speaker 7: use it mono or should be using braid. You know

1472
01:18:13,360 --> 01:18:15,080
Speaker 7: a lot of times like in the winter, just talking

1473
01:18:15,080 --> 01:18:16,960
Speaker 7: to your buddies, you can get together and just learn

1474
01:18:17,040 --> 01:18:19,320
Speaker 7: so much stuff of a little tweak you could do

1475
01:18:19,360 --> 01:18:21,599
Speaker 7: to really help out in your open water season.

1476
01:18:21,720 --> 01:18:25,360
Speaker 2: So yeah, well, how do if people wanted to schedule sometime,

1477
01:18:25,400 --> 01:18:26,519
Speaker 2: how do they do that? Steve.

1478
01:18:27,560 --> 01:18:29,920
Speaker 7: Yeah, if you look up Vermillion wall Ie hunt Guide

1479
01:18:29,960 --> 01:18:33,120
Speaker 7: Service online or on Facebook, I ty get some stuff

1480
01:18:33,120 --> 01:18:35,360
Speaker 7: on Facebook. You know, people get the itch to see

1481
01:18:35,360 --> 01:18:36,680
Speaker 7: what's going on in a million, So I try to

1482
01:18:36,720 --> 01:18:38,479
Speaker 7: just keep people updated with what's going on in the

1483
01:18:38,479 --> 01:18:42,080
Speaker 7: winter and the summer. So check me out there. And

1484
01:18:42,120 --> 01:18:44,960
Speaker 7: I love to take anybody I'm like themillion to show

1485
01:18:44,960 --> 01:18:46,360
Speaker 7: it what Pavillion really had to offer.

1486
01:18:46,720 --> 01:18:49,960
Speaker 2: Wonderful. Well, Steve, I thank you for your time, sir,

1487
01:18:50,040 --> 01:18:53,120
Speaker 2: and I'm sure we'll talk again, all right, had a

1488
01:18:53,160 --> 01:18:56,920
Speaker 2: good day and you too. That's Steve Carrassaway. While I

1489
01:18:57,040 --> 01:19:01,400
Speaker 2: hunter Guide service on Lake for millions, sometimes that can

1490
01:19:01,439 --> 01:19:04,360
Speaker 2: be a tough light. And just ask Bob. He's a

1491
01:19:04,479 --> 01:19:08,040
Speaker 2: vacation there a few times, but I know that if

1492
01:19:08,040 --> 01:19:10,320
Speaker 2: he was in studio with me, he would have plenty

1493
01:19:10,320 --> 01:19:14,240
Speaker 2: of questions for Steve. Or right after this too, or

1494
01:19:14,320 --> 01:19:17,200
Speaker 2: during the segment, we'll take a pause and come back

1495
01:19:17,240 --> 01:19:20,400
Speaker 2: with one more segment before in the Zone takes over.

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Speaker 2: Right after this, here we are our last segment for

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Speaker 2: this Saturday. The time just absolutely flies when we have

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Speaker 2: chance to spend it with you. It is pretty interesting.

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Speaker 2: I was in a store this last week and the

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Speaker 2: manager was at the register and I walked up to

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Speaker 2: pay for whatever I had, and she said, this guy,

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Speaker 2: this guy knows you. And he was kind of shy,

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Speaker 2: had been talking to her, and he kind of looked

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Speaker 2: down to the ground, and she said, I told him

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Speaker 2: you're a good guy and you wouldn't bite you could

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Speaker 2: may be more willing to talk to you. And I said,

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Speaker 2: of course. So I walked over and looked up and

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Speaker 2: I said, I understand we know each other and he

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Speaker 2: said yep. And I said, you must be listening to

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Speaker 2: the radio. And with being on the radio, I kind

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Speaker 2: of enjoy the anonymity that it does give me. But

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Speaker 2: I welcome somebody coming in and say, yeah, I know you.

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Speaker 2: And he said, yeah, I've been listening to you for

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Speaker 2: a lot of years. And it's really we talked a

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Speaker 2: bit about some things in the outdoors and some frustrations

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Speaker 2: and some of the good stuff. But it's it's it's

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Speaker 2: kind of special when somebody comes up and said they

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Speaker 2: do listen and they do enjoy the conversation. So thank you.

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Speaker 2: I didn't get the gentleman's name, but thank you for

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Speaker 2: mentioning that you do listen. It's it's I do. I

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Speaker 2: do enjoy that. I really do one thing going on

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Speaker 2: in my house right now, and you might be interested

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Speaker 2: in this too, because I am in the fifth day

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Speaker 2: of pickling northern pike. And I cannot lay any claims

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Speaker 2: to the recipe that I do use because it came

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Speaker 2: from I think, well, it came from my in law.

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Speaker 2: It is my father and mother in law because they

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Speaker 2: were they pickled a lot of fish Bohemian, you know,

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Speaker 2: And there's my father in law used to pride himself

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Speaker 2: in saying that thing goes to waste. Well, they did

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Speaker 2: a lot of winter fishing because they worked in the

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Speaker 2: trades and owned their own businesses, so they spent a

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Speaker 2: lot of time on the ice, and pickling fish was

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Speaker 2: one of them. And I just fell in love with it.

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Speaker 2: And I think that the recipe. I have no idea

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Speaker 2: who these people are, but I think they had written

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Speaker 2: at the top of the recipe card brushes the recipe

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Speaker 2: and from Alec will probably recognize it. But I have

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Speaker 2: about twenty pounds of pike in the that we had

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Speaker 2: kept throughout the summer, and there's some lakes where under

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Speaker 2: twenty two inches they have too many pike, and one

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Speaker 2: of them isn't far from where we spent a lot

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Speaker 2: of time in the summer, and so we went out

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Speaker 2: a couple times and it's really a blast. There were

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Speaker 2: four of us that went out and caught a bunch

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Speaker 2: of pike and fight. I don't especially care to clean them,

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Speaker 2: but we did clean them, took the skin off, and

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Speaker 2: then froze them, wrapped them in the saran wrap, and

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Speaker 2: then vacuum sealed them and put them in the freezer.

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Speaker 2: And so I took them out about a week and

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Speaker 2: a half ago, and I'm in, like I said, the

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Speaker 2: fifth about the fifth day. But the first time you

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Speaker 2: put it first, you have to cut the fish up

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Speaker 2: into small chunks, and that's what they're going to end

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Speaker 2: up in. And I cannot eat. I cannot eat some

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Speaker 2: of the the canned stuff and some of the commercial

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Speaker 2: stuff you eat because it's just not the same. It's soft,

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Speaker 2: it's mushy. This is not that, and the bones disappear

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Speaker 2: and it's nice and firm, and I love it, love

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Speaker 2: it on crackers as a snack. And I had some

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Speaker 2: venison that I will also snack onto. A smoked venison

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Speaker 2: hind that Brothers Meats does for me, and it is

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Speaker 2: really really good. I used to get it at Ossio,

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Speaker 2: but they quit making it and found brothers do an excellent,

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Speaker 2: excellent job. But this picklefish right now, it's in pickling salt,

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Speaker 2: and I think it was five aast cup. I've got

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Speaker 2: the whole recipe and I'd be happy to share it

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Speaker 2: if you're interested too. But it's five a's cup of

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Speaker 2: pickling salt. And then you put pickling salt for the

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Speaker 2: fish and sprinkle it over it, and then you cover

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Speaker 2: it with brown vinegar. And it has to stand seven days.

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Speaker 2: But as it's standing, you need to stir it every

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Speaker 2: day because the filets, the chunks of fish will tend

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Speaker 2: to stick to each other, so you want to break

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Speaker 2: them apart. And then after that you wash it really good.

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Speaker 2: The end probably eight days, I will, and you wash it,

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Speaker 2: dump the vinegar out, wash it real good, and then

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Speaker 2: make a brine that consists of a quart for well

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Speaker 2: about a gallon of fish, a quart of white vinegar,

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Speaker 2: two and a half cups of sugar, five a ounce

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Speaker 2: of pickling spice, six bay leaves, and mix it. First,

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Speaker 2: bring it to a boil, let it cool, and then

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Speaker 2: to that brine I add about a cup of white zinfandel,

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Speaker 2: strawberry flavored wine and an expensive wine. It's the same

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Speaker 2: wine I used to cook duck and goose in, and

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Speaker 2: it's just a wine that I discovered. They talk about

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Speaker 2: some other stuff, silver satin, I think, and I didn't

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Speaker 2: like that at all. It was too bitter and this

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Speaker 2: is not that way. But then when the solution's cool,

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Speaker 2: I'll put cut onions into slices. I'll put it in

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Speaker 2: pint bottles this year Eric wanted and layer it with onions,

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Speaker 2: fish onions, fish onions, fish until we fill the jar

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Speaker 2: up and then pour the brine in it, cover it,

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Speaker 2: put it back in the fridge for about another four

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Speaker 2: or five days, and eat it anytime after that, and

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Speaker 2: it lasts an awful long time. I'm eating the last

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Speaker 2: of my last year's fish right now and it's just

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Speaker 2: about gone. But it is easy, it's delicious, it's firm,

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Speaker 2: and it makes all the difference in the world. If

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Speaker 2: you are interested, I'll just bring the recipe along or

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Speaker 2: post it someplace on Facebook or maybe even on the

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Speaker 2: fans website. I'm not sure if we still do that.

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Speaker 2: I haven't written anything for the Fan for a long time,

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Speaker 2: but I'll get it to your read it off. Read

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Speaker 2: the recipe in the air next week perhaps too. But

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Speaker 2: it is good and it just takes some flaying pike.

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Speaker 2: Don't worry about the bones because they disappear and soften up,

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Speaker 2: and that is a pretty good deal. The other thing

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Speaker 2: that came to mind too, Eric right now is he'll

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Speaker 2: leave Monday morning. But they're going north and they have helicopters,

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Speaker 2: multiple helicopters, and they're going to go up in northeastern

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Speaker 2: Minnesota and shoot a dart, a tranquilizing dart at moose

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Speaker 2: and the moose will it'll put the moose out for

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Speaker 2: a period of time. They go in and put a

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Speaker 2: collar on the moose like they have done before, and

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Speaker 2: take the vitals of it, and then the moose goes

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Speaker 2: on air they talk about and on air means they're

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Speaker 2: on computer, and if something happens to the moose, they

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Speaker 2: can see it on the computer and they have to

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Speaker 2: go to it and retrieve the collar because the collar

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Speaker 2: will send a message out not only for the location,

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Speaker 2: but also sends a death text to them. And that

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Speaker 2: death text is in the form if it doesn't move

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Speaker 2: for a period of time, it sends the text to

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Speaker 2: the observer, and that was in the last time they

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Speaker 2: did it. That was Eric. He had to keep an

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Speaker 2: eye on that and they had to go in and

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Speaker 2: get the moose, retrieve the collar, get the moose out.

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Speaker 2: But I'm going to see if I can get somebody

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Speaker 2: on to tell us exactly about it too, and all

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Speaker 2: that goes on. But I know, just in hearing him

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Speaker 2: describe what they go through, it's quite an experience. It's

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Speaker 2: an awful, awful lot of work, but it's one that

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Speaker 2: they do to learn more about mooves. And they were

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Speaker 2: just they put a different I think an airplane up

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Speaker 2: and look to see if moose are using some of

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Speaker 2: the cutover areas that they have cut with the intention

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Speaker 2: of moose using them. And they're finding moose in these

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Speaker 2: areas again, and that's all good because moose were on

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Speaker 2: the decline. I don't know if you've heard that or not,

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Speaker 2: but a lot of that has to do with a

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Speaker 2: white tailed deer in the ticks, the winter ticks that

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Speaker 2: don't bother the deer, but the brainworm from the tick

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Speaker 2: will get into the moose and actually kill them. They

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Speaker 2: will They can drain them of blood, which is not

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Speaker 2: a real pleasant thing, but they're trying to learn more

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Speaker 2: about these moos. The music is playing, which means it's

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Speaker 2: exactly what I told you it'll mean. It means it's

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Speaker 2: time for us to turn the reins of the fan

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Speaker 2: over to the guys from in the zone, Trent Tucker

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Speaker 2: and Davy Sinecon because they're following us immediately. But I

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Speaker 2: want to say thank you to our guests for joining us.

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Speaker 2: Denny Fletcher of Fletcher's Bait and Tackle, Tommy George, pro

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Speaker 2: angler Tommy George, Tom Whitehead up in the Brainerd Lakes area.

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Speaker 2: If you'd like to get together with him, he will

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Speaker 2: do so in the summertime. Also Steve Carrassaway of Walleye

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Speaker 2: Hunter Guide Service up in Lake Vermilion. So for my

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Speaker 2: producer executive producer Blakemore, I'm Billy Hildebrand saying have a

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Speaker 2: great weekend, TATA