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Speaker 3: Guaranteed Human After.

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Speaker 1: I'm John Caldera. It's the last day of the year.

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Speaker 1: It's fun listening to Jimmy talk about blues. Back in

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Speaker 1: a previous life, I actually had a job. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: actually once worked for a living. I don't recommend it,

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Speaker 1: by the way, and I was a stage hand, among

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Speaker 1: other things. I owned a small stage lighting company. I

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Speaker 1: ended up doing lots of rock and roll shows and others.

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Speaker 1: And I've done lights for bb King towards the end

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Speaker 1: of end of his life. I did lights for Coco Taylor.

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Speaker 1: Jimmy's still listening, did a lot of blues shows. I'm

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Speaker 1: trying to remember. There was one guy who went by sea.

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Speaker 1: If I google this, three hundred pounds of Heavenly Joy.

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Speaker 4: Let me see.

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Speaker 1: Heavenly Joy. Big Twists. That was it, Big Twist. His

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Speaker 1: name was Big Twist and the Mellow Fellows. He was

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Speaker 1: a he was a great guitarist, and the day after

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Speaker 1: I did lights for him, he did a show someplace

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Speaker 1: else and died on stage. As any three hundred pound

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Speaker 1: blues guy should do, Yeah, Big Twist and the Mellow fellows.

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Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, buddy guy, I've done lights for many times. Oh,

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Speaker 1: just some great blues. It's it's fun. It's fun listening

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Speaker 1: to Jimmy on his blues heart because how to put it, Ah,

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Speaker 1: Jimmy is so so white. I mean, maybe you haven't

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Speaker 1: met him, maybe you just know him by voice. Maybe

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Speaker 1: you read his stuff in the Denver Gazette, which you

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Speaker 1: should do. Is probably one of the best columnists in town.

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Speaker 1: But he comes across as this, this this nice little

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Speaker 1: white boy. Yeah, the kind of guy hold the door

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Speaker 1: open for you. Hi, Hi, sir, Hi mam. You know,

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Speaker 1: the boy scout and then he whips out of blues

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Speaker 1: harp and goes to town. There there's something there. There's

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Speaker 1: definitely a crossroads story. Jimmy sold his soul somewhere, but

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Speaker 1: we'll deal with that later. Three or three seven, one,

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Speaker 1: three eight five eight five seven one three eighty five

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Speaker 1: eighty five bed night Horse Campbell passed away. For those

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Speaker 1: of us who are political junkies, he was an amazing

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Speaker 1: Colorado politician. Was not a fan, but he he was.

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Speaker 1: He was a character, and he liked being a character.

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Speaker 1: I think he liked his image as a Harley riding

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Speaker 1: member of the Northern China Indian tribe. He was in

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Speaker 1: the US House of Representatives for it's like ninety three

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Speaker 1: and then he he was in the Senate for a

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Speaker 1: good long time. He was one of the first party switchers.

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Speaker 1: He he switched from being a Democrat to a Republican,

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Speaker 1: and it caused some serious headaches in Colorado. That's back

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Speaker 1: when Colorado was a conservative ish state. And one of

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Speaker 1: the beautiful things about Colorado, at least back then, was

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Speaker 1: that it was a split state. What I mean by

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Speaker 1: that is on statewide ballot issues, quite often Coloraddens would

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Speaker 1: split their ticket, vote for a Republican senator like Hank

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Speaker 1: governor like Roy Romer deck Lamb. It happened all the

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Speaker 1: time on the same ballot, which really spoke to the

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Speaker 1: independent spirit of Coloraddens. But after a while, particularly during

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Speaker 1: the early George Bush years. I'm trying to remember exactly

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Speaker 1: when it happened. The Ben Nighthorse Campbell was the first

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Speaker 1: to switch parties. Just had enough of the Democratic Party

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Speaker 1: as a Democratic Party was getting more and more liberal.

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Speaker 1: I can't imagine what he would think of it. Now,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't mean he was a conservative by any means.

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Speaker 1: He was a liberal Republican, a conservative ish Democrat. And

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Speaker 1: what's not was for him this Senate, if I recall,

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Speaker 1: the Senate at the time, was a Republican dominated Senate,

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Speaker 1: so he could do some horse trading, which was, hey,

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Speaker 1: if I if I join your party, will you give

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Speaker 1: me some choice committee seat assignments. And of course Republicans

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Speaker 1: are salivating at that because they need extra votes and

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Speaker 1: they want to make sure that they have a larger majority,

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Speaker 1: which is crucial in politics. Crucial. Yeah, you might not

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Speaker 1: like the Republicans, you might not like the Democrats, but

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Speaker 1: the party that is in control gets to control what

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Speaker 1: comes forward. That's why having Republican or Democratic control of

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Speaker 1: that's crucial. And you might not like the squishy Republican

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Speaker 1: move forward and it can go the other direction. Nineteen

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Speaker 1: ninety five, Switch to nineteen ninety five, all right, and

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Speaker 1: that was I'm trying to remember. Was that I think

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Speaker 1: that was George Was that W's time? Yeah, that was

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Speaker 1: before the free for all in Republican politics, before you know,

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Speaker 1: each other up. Then then that was that was different.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, my poor little son calls me every day.

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Speaker 1: Watch this. You got to be part of this. Hey, buddy,

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Speaker 1: I gotta I'm on the radio. I can't talk to

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Speaker 1: you right now, dude, I'm on the radio. I can't

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Speaker 1: talk to you. I love you. Goodbye.

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Speaker 4: Oh yes, I'm.

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Speaker 1: On the radio. I love you. Got a run by,

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Speaker 1: all right. So my son, who has Down syndrome, has

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Speaker 1: a phone, and you might ask, well, why did you

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Speaker 1: just answer that call? Because if I didn't answer that call,

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Speaker 1: he'd call me like twenty eight times, twenty eight times

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Speaker 1: until I did. And I love it. I just love it.

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Speaker 1: I just love it, love it, love it. But he

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Speaker 1: always manages to call, you know, when I'm in a meeting.

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Speaker 1: It's like he has a sonar call dad, Call dad? Anyway,

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Speaker 1: where was I my boy? So Clinton was president, Sorry

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Speaker 1: about that. And in Colorado at the time, the Republican

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Speaker 1: Party was much more organized, much more orderly, and there

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Speaker 1: was a system and guys like Bill Armstrong, late great

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Speaker 1: Senator Bill Armstrong, who I always considered to be the

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Speaker 1: godfather of Republican politics. Here. He had a calming effect

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Speaker 1: of settling party disputes behind closed doors. And if there

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Speaker 1: were two people running for a state Senate seat, yeah

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Speaker 1: he would. He would intervene and in the most sophisticated

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Speaker 1: way say, Frank, you're a great guy. I just don't

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Speaker 1: think this is your year. And if you step aside

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Speaker 1: and let let Hank over there go, or Tim go

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Speaker 1: forward and drop out of this race, you know what

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Speaker 1: next year or in two years when you do run,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to lead the fundraising campaign to make sure

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Speaker 1: you get the nomination. And the guy would gough, Yes, godfather, understand, godfather,

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Speaker 1: and that all that in fighting was to taken care

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Speaker 1: of behind closed doors, instead of today where we have

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Speaker 1: thirty eight people running for a governor. So at the time,

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Speaker 1: Scott McGinnis, who was the congressman on the Western Slope,

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Speaker 1: it was his turn to run for US Senate. It

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Speaker 1: was his turn to run for US Senate, and he

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Speaker 1: was going to run against I think he was going

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Speaker 1: to run against Campbell, and then Campbell says, I'm going

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Speaker 1: to switch parties, which is a great thing for everybody

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Speaker 1: except Congressman Scott McGinnis, who wants to be United States Senator.

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Speaker 1: And so Scott got the treatment from the rich guys

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Speaker 1: of Scott, we love you. But having a defector come

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Speaker 1: from the other side joining our camp now, who's a

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Speaker 1: incumbent and will certainly win in a reelection, you need

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Speaker 1: to step back. You cannot challenge him and being a

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Speaker 1: dutiful soldier, because that's what Republicans did back in that day.

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Speaker 1: Scott McGinnis, who's a really fantastic guy, stepped back and

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Speaker 1: said yes, Godfathers and and didn't run. Of course, then

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Speaker 1: by the time it was the Senate seat was open again.

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Speaker 1: The demographics of Colorado has changed, the sense of Colorado

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Speaker 1: has changed, and that was that. Of course. Later Scott

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Speaker 1: McGinnis went on to run for governor and then get

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Speaker 1: into a heated primary with Dan Mays. Dan Mays, I

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Speaker 1: know I'm going on a tangent. Was really the first

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Speaker 1: time that the left in Colorado were much smarter, much

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Speaker 1: better organized, and have a lot more money. It was

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Speaker 1: the first time the Democrats got in in Colorado Republican politics,

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Speaker 1: and they threw about six hundred thousand dollars into attack

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Speaker 1: ads against Scott McGinnis right before the primary so that

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Speaker 1: Dan Mays would win the nomination. Why because Dan Mayes

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Speaker 1: was a crook and there was no way he could win.

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Speaker 1: He just spoke a good game and sure enough, Dan

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Speaker 1: Mays got ten. No, actually I think he managed eleven

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Speaker 1: eleven percent of the vote. Eleven percent of the vote

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Speaker 1: in the general. This is how good the Democrats are.

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Speaker 1: Bring that to this year. Republicans love to hear people

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Speaker 1: say what they want to say and they believe them.

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Speaker 1: So with the fifty eight guys running for the Republican

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Speaker 1: says the right stuff and excites the base the way

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Speaker 1: Dan Mays did, but turns out to be Dan Mays.

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Speaker 1: Like you know, Keildera's first political axiom, there is nothing

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Speaker 1: that Republicans can't screw up. I use more colorful language,

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Speaker 1: but the FCC won't let me. And Republicans tend to

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Speaker 1: get really excited about people who pound their fists on

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Speaker 1: the podium when they're giving a speech and bleed out

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Speaker 1: a bunch of red meat. That's great, but it doesn't

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Speaker 1: mean they're the guys who can win in the fall.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't mean that they have what it takes. And

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Speaker 1: I look at the clown car that is the Republican

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Speaker 1: gubernatorial pool right now, and I go, oh my god.

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Speaker 1: I can't believe some of these characters. Furthermore, it doesn't matter.

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Speaker 1: A Republican is not going to become a governor next year.

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Speaker 1: I hate to break this to you, It's not going

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Speaker 1: Ben Nighthorse Campbell was actually born Benny Marshall Campbell Benny Marshall,

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Speaker 1: just like Gary Hartpence changed his name to Gary Hart

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Speaker 1: for if it's a stage name. Ben Benny Marshall Campbell

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Speaker 1: changed his name to Ben Nighthorse Campbell leaned into being

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Speaker 1: the Democratic Party, and he switched in nineteen ninety five.

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Speaker 1: MM in two thousand and four, he didn't run for

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Speaker 1: a third term. Ken Salazar won that election, and he's

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Speaker 1: got an amazing history. Night Horse Campbell. He was on

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Speaker 1: an Olympic I can't believe this. He won a gold

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Speaker 1: the United US national titles. He competed in judo in

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Speaker 1: the nineteen sixty four Summer Olympics in Tokyo. He was

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Speaker 1: the first Native American to make the judo team. As

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Speaker 1: if that's important. And then before he got into politics,

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Speaker 1: Indian market in Santa Fe and he made jewelry and

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Speaker 1: he kept doing that. He kept doing that his entire life.

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Speaker 1: Not incredible, It's it's really kind of cool. When you

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Speaker 1: go down to the state capitol. He was elected to

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Speaker 1: the legislature in nineteen eighty two. I remember this. I

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Speaker 1: remember this so vividly, and he can go down there

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Speaker 1: and you can still see the pictures of him on

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Speaker 1: the wall. Just incredible, just incredible. They just worried to hear.

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Speaker 1: This is Wikipedia stuff, so take it for what it's worth.

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Speaker 1: In the early nineteen nineties marked a turning point in

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Speaker 1: Campbell's political career. Nineteen ninety two, after Tim Worth announced

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Speaker 1: his retirement, Campbell won a three way Democratic primary against

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Speaker 1: former Governor Richard Lamb and Boulder County Commissioner Josie Heath

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Speaker 1: during the primary came pain. Lamb supporters accused Heath of

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Speaker 1: spoiling the election by splitting the vote of the party's

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Speaker 1: left wing, which is true. Heath's campaign Our due was Campbell,

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Speaker 1: who should not have run. So finally a little democratic dysfunction.

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Speaker 1: But it doesn't matter they want anyway. Campbell won the primary,

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Speaker 1: then defeated Terry Considine. What a Greek guy Terry Considine is.

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Speaker 1: And it's just these I just remember these things so

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Speaker 1: very vividly. I'm sorry to see Campbell go just because

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Speaker 1: he's a piece of history. He's just a piece of

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Speaker 1: Colorado history. I don't think he was an ideologue the

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Speaker 1: way that I like my politicians. I think he was

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Speaker 1: Bad jokes, all sorts of typos. You'll love it. Meantime,

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Speaker 1: let's grab a couple of these phone calls. Scott, good

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Speaker 1: morning and welcome.

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Speaker 5: Hey Johnny C. It's got the nurse from shot the nurse,

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Speaker 5: the trader, the trader.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're up in Cheyenne now right. You're a refugee something.

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Speaker 1: You are, You're a deserter. The word is deserter. You

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Speaker 5: Oh god, yeah, I don't want to do that. I

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Speaker 1: You're in a safe state, or I just throw this

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Speaker 1: All I appreciate that. Thank you, Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: you've thought about it yourself, though, haven't you? You have

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Speaker 1: That in tomorrow, yes, nine states are lowering their income tax.

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Speaker 1: Top billing goes to Ohio, which is moving to a

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Speaker 1: two point seven five flat income tax. Do you hear

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Speaker 1: that two point seventy five. The eight other states to

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Speaker 1: hit the parade Georgia, India, Kentucky, Indiana, Kentucky, Mississippi, Montana, Nebraska,

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Speaker 1: North Carolina, Oklahoma. Nebraska is going to get the largest

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Speaker 1: cut from four and a half percent, I mean down

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Speaker 1: to four point five to five percent from five point two.

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Speaker 1: This is the world in which we're living, and in

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Speaker 1: Colorado the liberals want to go the other direction. We'll

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Speaker 1: talk about that in the next hour two. Stay tuned.

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Speaker 1: I'm John Caldera. Keep it right here here in KOA

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Speaker 1: Good morning, Welcome, It's the end of the year. And

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Speaker 1: as you know now, as you know, democracy is under threat.

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Speaker 1: That is democracy is under threat. We're fighting to say

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Speaker 1: our democracy now. It's not Trump. It's actually from the

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Speaker 1: Colorado State legislature and nearly a third of them got

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Speaker 1: into office without being elected. They're known as vacancy committees.

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Speaker 1: Sherry Pike from Complete Colorado has been covering the legislature

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Speaker 1: as a veteran reporter. If you don't know Complete Colorado,

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Speaker 1: Colorado dot com. Complete Colorado dot Com. Every day we

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Speaker 1: aggregate stories from around the state and then join it

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Speaker 1: with unique ap style reporting from folks like Sherry who

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Speaker 1: keep an eye on the legislature. Go figure, someone should

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Speaker 1: hey Sherry, thank you so much for joining us. Happy

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Speaker 1: New Year, all the rest. When somebody in the legislature,

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Speaker 1: when somebody is from the legislature quits, dies, gets tossed out,

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Speaker 1: runs from the law, and there's a vacancy, what is

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Speaker 1: the procedure to to replace that person?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 7: Sure, So all Colorado House and Senate districts within their

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Speaker 7: respective counties have something called a vacancy committee. So generally

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Speaker 7: those vacancy committees are made up by party insiders. So

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Speaker 7: when you go to your caucuses and your assemblies and

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Speaker 7: all this other stuff, you are elected by your party

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Speaker 7: to serve on these vacancy committees.

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Speaker 1: And so this and only for people who show up

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Speaker 1: at the caucuses that weird Tuesday once every other year

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Speaker 1: kind of thing.

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Speaker 7: Right, Yeah, the caucuses and the general assemblies and you know,

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Speaker 7: the county assemblies of state assemblies depending upon you know

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Speaker 7: what office committee you're going to set on sit on. Yes,

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Speaker 7: you have to be actively involved in your party and

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Speaker 7: show up to these caucuses and assemblies in order to

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Speaker 7: sit on these vacancy committees, and they they will. They

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Speaker 7: generally are comprised of a percentage of the voters within

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Speaker 7: that district, and we're talking a very small percentage. So

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Speaker 7: some districts may have twelve people on the vacancy committee.

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Speaker 7: Other districts may have forty people on the disc on

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Speaker 7: the vacancy committee. But we're talking not much more than

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Speaker 7: forty or forty five people. And those are in districts

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Speaker 7: that you know, are very large districts, so they're a

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Speaker 7: very small percentage of the number of voters. And then

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Speaker 7: they are people that are insiders within the party that

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Speaker 7: make them.

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Speaker 1: I can repeat that back to you make sure I

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Speaker 1: got this. So before someone is elected, the parties in

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Speaker 1: each district. Let's say there's a state House district and

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Speaker 1: we have sixty five of those in Colorado. So the

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Speaker 1: Democrats put up together their vacancy committee and Republicans put

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Speaker 1: together their vacancy committee for before the election happens. Is

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Speaker 1: it before or after.

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Speaker 4: Both?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 7: Correct? Yes, I mean people can sit on these vacancy

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Speaker 7: committees for years because they just keep getting re elected

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Speaker 7: to it.

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Speaker 4: But yes, they put them together, and.

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Speaker 1: Nothing happens to this vacancy committee unless a politician leaves

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Speaker 1: or dies or gets kicked out, right, correct, So yeah,

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Speaker 1: I've been elected to the vacancy committee. We've never once met.

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Speaker 1: It's an emergency committee. Basically, if something happens, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: call you. Here's here's the list it is.

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Speaker 7: Yes, all right, Yes, that's exactly what it is.

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Speaker 1: So out of the one hundred legislators in Colorado, how

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Speaker 1: many of them got into the legislature by a vacancy committee?

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Speaker 1: That is, in not being elected at first, but became

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Speaker 1: became I'm a representative or a senator just because these

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Speaker 1: twelve to forty people in a committee chose them.

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Speaker 7: More than you would imagine. So last year, in twenty

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Speaker 7: twenty five, there was nearly two dozen of the one

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Speaker 7: hundred lawmakers, So you're talking nearly a quarter of the

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Speaker 7: lawmakers that were serving in those seats were appointed by

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Speaker 7: a vacancy committee. So nearly twenty five percent of the

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Speaker 7: lawmakers in Colorado were elected by a group of people

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Speaker 7: that are party insiders, and only a very small sliver

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Speaker 7: of the representation of that district. The year before that,

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Speaker 7: there was thirty.

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Speaker 1: You're kidding me, So sid of the legislature started their

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Speaker 1: elected career without being elected? Correct?

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Speaker 7: Correct?

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Speaker 1: Does that strike you as crazy? Beans?

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Speaker 7: It's absolutely ridiculous. I mean, we have elections for a reason.

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Speaker 7: To the elections. You know, everybody should have an opportunity

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Speaker 7: to elect who they want to represent. But being elected

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Speaker 7: by a small group of people is just preposterous. And

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Speaker 7: one really good example that I'll give you so why

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Speaker 7: it's so bad is Chris Hansen. So, Senator Chris Hansen

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Speaker 7: was elected to was re elected to his Senate district

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Speaker 7: in twenty twenty four, just days after he was elected. Now,

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Speaker 7: keep in mind, senators in Colorado serve for four years.

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Speaker 7: Just days after he was elected, he stepped down from

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Speaker 7: that position to take a job with an electric cooperative,

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Speaker 7: an electric co op in southern in southwestern Colorado.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, now he knew he was going

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Speaker 1: to take this, he knew that that job was a

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Speaker 1: potential and it's a well paid job. This is when

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Speaker 1: you say politics doesn't pay and it's all community service

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Speaker 1: and it's public service. Bs. This guy cashed out any

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Speaker 1: three days after being sworn in.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: Correct, I don't know if there was exactly three, but

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Speaker 7: it was pretty closely. But the irony in h you know,

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Speaker 7: not only yes, he knew he was taken out job

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Speaker 7: before he got elected. But here's here's why. I mean,

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Speaker 7: any smart person can conclude why he went ahead and ran.

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Speaker 7: This was a Denver Democrat, Okay, his only opponent in

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Speaker 7: his race was a libertarian. So had he not ran,

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Speaker 7: it's likely that that libertarian could have won that seat

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Speaker 7: and taken a seat away from the Democrats representing Colorado

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Speaker 7: in Denver. So Chris went ahead and ran. And then

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Speaker 7: right after he won, he stepped down and a vacancy

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Speaker 7: committee got to appoint his position right after that.

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Speaker 1: And from my look at this, it seems as though

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Speaker 1: the representatives who come back, or the people who are

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Speaker 1: appointed are i'll youse my term, out of touch with Colorado.

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Speaker 1: This is why we have so many wild progressives and socialists.

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Speaker 1: Many of them were just appointed. They didn't win an election,

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Speaker 1: they were just appointed.

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Speaker 7: Well that's very accurate, because all one has to do

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Speaker 7: is look to the last primary election, especially among the

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Speaker 7: Democrat party. Because let me say, last in twenty twenty four,

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Speaker 7: three of those appointed lawmakers were Democrats, So twenty seven

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Speaker 7: of the thirty that were appointed in twenty twenty four

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Speaker 7: twenty twenty four primary or twenty two, maybe it was

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Speaker 7: a twenty twenty, No, it would have been the twenty

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Speaker 7: twenty four primary. In the twenty twenty four Democrat primaries

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Speaker 7: in Colorado, all of the ridiculously far left crazies super

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Speaker 7: progressives lost their primaries to more moderate Democrats. So the

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Speaker 7: people are not wanting and most of those had been appointed.

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Speaker 7: Most of those that lost their primaries to more moderate

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Speaker 7: Democrats had been previously appointed to those seats.

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking about it. Is it representative EPs being one

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Speaker 1: of those? And she was one of those that was

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Speaker 1: the crazy lady who was screaming Palestinian uh, yelling Palestinian

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Speaker 1: stuff from the gallery when a Jewish legislator was speaking.

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Speaker 1: And who is the other guy who was the communist?

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Speaker 7: Oh god, I can't remember his.

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Speaker 1: Name, Hernandez. I can't who took out the American flag

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Speaker 1: off of his desk and put in the Palestinian flag.

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Speaker 1: These these guys were appointed and then when it came

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Speaker 1: to their own primaries. They lost their primaries the next

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Speaker 1: time out. They were out of touch even for Democrats.

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Speaker 7: Yes, and they were out of touch for Democrats in

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Speaker 7: very highly progressive.

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Speaker 4: Cities like Denver and Boulder.

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Speaker 7: So you know it's not even democrat city, you know,

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Speaker 7: like Fort Collins, which is definitely blue. However, it's not

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Speaker 7: quite as.

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Speaker 4: Far to the left as Boulder in Denver yet.

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Speaker 7: But yeah, these were Democrats who lost in very progressive

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Speaker 7: cities to more moderate Democrats.

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Speaker 1: All right, All of which to bring us up to

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Speaker 1: your most recent story at Complete Colorado dot Com. That's

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Speaker 1: Complete Colorado dot Com about Representative Shannon Bird and represented

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Speaker 1: Bird resigned, right, she did?

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Speaker 4: She did?

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Speaker 1: Why did she resign?

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Speaker 7: Because she's running as one of the gazillion different Democrats

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Speaker 7: that are running in Congressional District eight, which is Adams

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Speaker 7: and Wells County, part of Adams and Welch take outs.

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Speaker 1: So she's going after all right, so she needs to

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Speaker 1: be she needs to be. That vacancy needs to be filled.

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Speaker 1: Tell me the story, correct.

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Speaker 7: So when Birds stepped down, keeping in mind that she

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Speaker 7: announced her candidacy for Congressional district eight months ago, right,

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Speaker 7: and I think we were even maybe still in the

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Speaker 7: legislative session last year when she announced she was going.

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Speaker 1: To run for the full thork so I think so.

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Speaker 7: So Yeah, it was late May, early June when she

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Speaker 7: started making those announcements that she was going to run

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Speaker 7: for that seat. Don't quote me, but I'm almost confident.

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Speaker 7: So she announced that she was going to run for

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Speaker 7: this seat, and she spent all of the summer and

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Speaker 7: most of the fall just running for the seat. Assuming

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Speaker 7: she was coming back to fill her legislative seat in

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Speaker 7: twenty twenty five. Well, no, that didn't happen. She eventually announced,

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Speaker 7: I don't know, maybe about three four weeks ago, that

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Speaker 7: she was going to go ahead and step down and

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Speaker 7: not fill her the last year of her house seat

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Speaker 7: in Colorado because she needed to focus on her candidacy

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Speaker 7: for District eight, because the people of Senator or of

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Speaker 7: CD eight needed to have somebody who was focused on them.

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Speaker 7: That being said, instead of just resigning, she put a

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Speaker 7: date on her resignation and of January fifth, I will

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Speaker 7: be stepping down so that I can focus on my

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Speaker 7: CD eight race.

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Speaker 1: January fifth. That's January fifth, that's in a few days

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Speaker 1: from now.

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Speaker 7: Yep, five days from now.

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Speaker 1: All right, so she's still a state representative, but on

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Speaker 1: January fifth, she won't be correct. Okay, correct, I'm with you.

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Speaker 1: Keep going.

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Speaker 7: So interestingly enough, we sat back complete Colorado and we

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Speaker 7: were like, there has to be a reason why she

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Speaker 7: put a specific on it, Like why would you put

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Speaker 7: a specific date on it? So I started calling around

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Speaker 7: and asking people that I felt would be in the know,

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Speaker 7: and eventually I found one person who I won't name

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Speaker 7: who that person was.

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Speaker 4: But they came back and they said.

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Speaker 7: Well, yeah, not going there. They came back and they said, well, yeah,

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Speaker 7: because of state law, if her tenate, if her successor

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Speaker 7: does not serve more than a half of the term,

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Speaker 7: that term that they do serve doesn't count towards state

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Speaker 7: statute laws that says a representative can only serve four

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Speaker 7: two year terms in the state House, so a total

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Speaker 7: of eight sessions correct, And I'm like, what do you

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Speaker 7: mean more than half? I went in and I looked

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Speaker 7: at state statute, and sure enough, Colorado has a law

656
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Speaker 7: that says if you are appointed to serve as a

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Speaker 7: representative or a senator and you serve less than has

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Speaker 7: the term, it doesn't count. Well, we pretend like.

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Speaker 1: You were never there it doesn't count towards term limits.

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Speaker 1: So basically somebody can spend instead of just eight years

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Speaker 1: as a legislator or as a House member, they could

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Speaker 1: actually spend nine years if it's just a little less

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Speaker 1: than halfway through that term that they're appointed to correct.

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Speaker 7: And this is something that has been litigated already in

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Speaker 7: state courts, and so everybody knows that if it goes

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Speaker 7: to court, there's already precedent for it. So we're just

667
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Speaker 7: going to do it because we're not going to get

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Speaker 7: sued because there's already president in the Colorado Supreme Court

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Speaker 7: or Colorado just a court for how how this will

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Speaker 7: play out, and they won, and so we're just going

671
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Speaker 7: to go ahead and do this. Back in two thousand

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Speaker 7: and six, Senator Joan Fitzgerald resigned her offer, announced her

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Speaker 7: intention not to run for reelection, and somebody was appointed.

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Speaker 7: Republicans sued in Denver District Court, saying that she had

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Speaker 7: originally excuse me she announced her intention to run for reelection.

676
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Speaker 7: Fitzgerald had been appointed to her original seat in two

677
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Speaker 7: thousand when Senator Grandpis died a few minutes after he

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Speaker 7: was elected, and Republicans argued in court that she had

679
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Speaker 7: served more than half the term and therefore she was

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Speaker 7: not eligible to run a two thousand and six because

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Speaker 7: that first term counted, and a district court judge in Denver,

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Speaker 7: Catherine Lemon, said, no, you're wrong because of the way

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Speaker 7: they defined half of a term and instead of counting

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Speaker 7: half of the term in the case of a House seat,

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Speaker 7: which would be let's say half of a term of

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Speaker 7: a House seat was one full legislative session. There's two

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Speaker 7: sessions in a House seat, so if you serve one

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Speaker 7: full legislative session, that's half of a term that will

689
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Speaker 7: count towards your total term limits. Nope, that's not what

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Speaker 7: they did. Instead, they said that a term they defined

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Speaker 7: the term of office as being the number of days

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Speaker 7: between the start of one legislative session to the start

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Speaker 7: date of the next legislator or one legislative term to

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Speaker 7: the start of the next legislative term. So in the

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Speaker 7: case of Shannon Bird, her term that she's currently in

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Speaker 7: would have started on January eighth, twenty twenty five and

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Speaker 7: run through January thirteenth of twenty twenty seven, which is

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Speaker 7: seven hundred and thirty five days. So therefore, anybody who

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Speaker 7: served more than half of seven hundred and thirty five days.

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Speaker 7: No law, or anybody who serves less than half of

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Speaker 7: seven hundred and thirty five days is not considered to

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Speaker 7: have fulfilled the term of office.

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Speaker 1: So that's why she chose that date. So she's still

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Speaker 1: a representative. And then on the someone will fill that position,

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Speaker 1: and that someone will be set up to run for

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Speaker 1: four more terms after that. Correct, nice work if you

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Speaker 1: can get it.

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Speaker 5: Exactly.

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Speaker 7: Because by the number of dates, and because a replacement

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Speaker 7: is not considered to be a replacement until they're sworn

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Speaker 7: in on the first day of the legislative session, whomever

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Speaker 7: is appointed to serve, no matter when they're appointed prior

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Speaker 7: to the start of this session, which is January fourteenth,

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Speaker 7: will fall at least four days short of the state's

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Speaker 7: definition of a term of office.

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Speaker 1: That is delicious, just delicious, all right, And so it

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Speaker 1: denies it denies us the ability to to get new

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Speaker 1: blood in there. And is there any reform to this?

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Speaker 1: I know people are looking at different ways because when

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Speaker 1: when nearly thirty percent of your elected officials weren't elected,

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Speaker 1: something's wrong. Can't we just have a special election or something?

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Speaker 4: Well?

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Speaker 7: And that's you know, so last year when Democrats were

724
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Speaker 7: catching all kinds of flack finally for the fact that

725
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Speaker 7: they continue to step down in point and step down

726
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Speaker 7: in a point. The state legislature, supposedly in a bipartisan effort,

727
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:34,919
Speaker 7: agreed that the way that state legislators and county commissioners

728
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Speaker 7: were appointed was wrong. So they passed new legislation saying,

729
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Speaker 7: here's what we're going to do to reform this vacancy thing.

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Speaker 7: But they didn't address this part, and they really didn't

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Speaker 7: address any real reform. All they basically said is we're

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Speaker 7: going to make we're going to make the process more transparent.

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Speaker 7: So now you twelve people can gather in this building

734
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Speaker 7: and a point whoever on a point, you just have

735
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Speaker 7: to live stream it so the other twenty eight thousand

736
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Speaker 7: people in your district can watch you appoint them. I mean,

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Speaker 7: the laws that they passed didn't really change the laws

738
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Speaker 7: that were in place. It just made it more of

739
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Speaker 7: a laughable transparent type of process. But yes, definitely, reform

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Speaker 7: needs to take place somehow, some way that says you

741
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Speaker 7: can't do this. But until Colorado isn't a one party rule,

742
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Speaker 7: that's not going to happen. I mean, as long as

743
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Speaker 7: Democrats can continue to get away with it. That's not

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Speaker 7: going to happen.

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Speaker 1: Point well taken, pay and ahead.

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Speaker 7: The other side of that, the other side of that is,

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Speaker 7: in addition to this constant ongoing appointment by small committees

748
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Speaker 7: is the musical chairs that they play. So when a

749
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Speaker 7: House member resigns for any reason, excuse me, when a

750
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:09,880
Speaker 7: Senate member resigns for any reason, generally they will pull

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Speaker 7: up one of their own in the House. That then

752
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:16,239
Speaker 7: leaves the House seat open for an appointment. And that's

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Speaker 7: how a lot of these are taking place. And unfortunately,

754
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Speaker 7: with the death of Senator Winter that just recently happened

755
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Speaker 7: that you know, obviously that's beyond Senator Winter's control. However,

756
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Speaker 7: they appointed somebody to replace Senator faith Winter in the

757
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Speaker 7: Senate discession that they appointed him with representatively set who

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Speaker 7: Now his seat is open, so now his seat will

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Speaker 7: get an appointment.

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Speaker 1: And the dominoes go, hey, thank you so much. I

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Speaker 1: appreciate that. If people want to read this article, go

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Speaker 1: to Complete Colorado dot Com. Complete Colorado dot Com. Sherry Pipe, thank.

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Speaker 7: You so much, Thank you, Happy New Year.

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Speaker 1: Happy New Year. Back after this. I'm John Caldera. You're

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Speaker 1: on Kowa News Talk Sport John Caldera give me a call.

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Speaker 1: Three h three seven eight five eighty five heard from

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Speaker 1: Sherry Pife, who runs uh who's a reporter at Complete

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Speaker 1: Colorado dot Com. I work at Independence Institute. I'm not

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Speaker 1: saying it's a real job. I'm saying I get a paycheck,

770
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Speaker 1: which is ridiculous. But I go there and there are

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Speaker 1: people who actually work there, And one is Kathleen Chandler,

772
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Speaker 1: who is the one of these women who just doesn't stop.

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Speaker 1: If you take a photograph of her, she's a blur.

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Speaker 1: You know these people, They're just constantly emotional. And one

775
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:38,680
Speaker 1: of her passions is to get people involved in the

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Speaker 1: process of government. And I'm not talking about local or

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Speaker 1: federal government. I'm talking about local government. Kathleen, Thanks just

778
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Speaker 1: spending a little time with me. I appreciate what you do.

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Speaker 8: Why why do you have such a passion Well, hello,

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Speaker 8: why do you have such a passion about local government

781
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Speaker 8: compared to all the things that are happening in Washington.

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Speaker 9: Well, local government is something that will actually touch your

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Speaker 9: life today. You know what happens at the federal government. Sure,

784
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Speaker 9: that's important, and it will eventually trickle down and probably

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Speaker 9: affect you in a variety of ways. But tomorrow they

786
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:20,839
Speaker 9: could pass an ordinance that could change where you're going

787
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Speaker 9: to put your fence on your private property, or if

788
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Speaker 9: you have a business, all of a sudden you have

789
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Speaker 9: to get an extra license, or like tomorrow, the minimum

790
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Speaker 9: wage is going.

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Speaker 6: To go up.

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Speaker 9: Your local government, your state government, can produce a law

793
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Speaker 9: that will affect your life and a myriad of ways,

794
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:44,480
Speaker 9: very quickly and very specifically to you. And of course

795
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Speaker 9: all of the other laws that are get passed at

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Speaker 9: the federal level are very important, but there's nothing more

797
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Speaker 9: important than what's going to happen in your local government.

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Speaker 1: And there's this other thing that I think the enemies

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Speaker 1: of freedom understand, which is local government. What happens in

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Speaker 1: your city, what happens in your school district. A handful

801
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Speaker 1: of people, I mean, just a couple of people can

802
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Speaker 1: make a huge difference versus to get something done in Washington.

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Speaker 1: I mean, in order to get something done in Washington,

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Speaker 1: you've got to change Congress, you've got to change the presidency.

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00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:31,000
Speaker 1: One person really can't do much. One person keeping an

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Speaker 1: eye on your city or a department of your city

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Speaker 1: can change the course of it it's just I'm always

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Speaker 1: amazed how one person can make a difference.

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Speaker 9: Well, I'm going to tell a quick story. My husband, Roger,

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Speaker 9: and I are live in a little area where literally

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Speaker 9: there was one gas station.

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Speaker 7: This is years ago.

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Speaker 9: Was it a five mile radius of our house when

814
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:54,920
Speaker 9: we first moved here. Well, we all of a sudden

815
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Speaker 9: look across the street and there's a sign that says

816
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Speaker 9: coming soon, Maverick gas station come to the public herring.

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Speaker 7: So Roger and I are like, sure, we're activists.

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Speaker 9: We go and literally we are the only people there.

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Speaker 9: It's the the owner of the property and all of

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Speaker 9: the planning and zoning and Roger and me and a

821
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Speaker 9: bunch of lawyers of course, and they started this entire presentation,

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Speaker 9: and the poor gentleman from the Maverick d gas station

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Speaker 9: gets done with his entire presentation, and the planning and

824
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Speaker 9: zoning person who is the chairman, says, well, you know,

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Speaker 9: I am going to vote no on this gas station

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Speaker 9: because well, I don't like the size of the caliper

827
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Speaker 9: of trees that you're putting in the property. What I mean,

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Speaker 9: it was like the mostiously stupid thing. So the guy said,

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Speaker 9: are you telling me that I'm going to have to

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Speaker 9: start all over. And the guy's like, yeah, you'll have

831
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Speaker 9: to come back to us if we vote, you know,

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Speaker 9: and against your design. Well, all of a sudden, they said,

833
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Speaker 9: is there public comment? Well I'm there, So I waved

834
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Speaker 9: my hand and I've run up to the podium and

835
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Speaker 9: I said, excuse me, mister planning and zoning people, are

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Speaker 9: you all going to deny a needed gas station in

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Speaker 9: my community because you don't like the size of the caliber.

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Speaker 7: Of trees like they're going to grow?

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Speaker 9: I mean, this is insanity.

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Speaker 7: And I sit down. Roger.

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Speaker 9: They asked for public comment, he does the exact same thing. Well,

842
00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:21,440
Speaker 9: after some deliberation, they voted to put in the gas station.

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Speaker 9: And there is a Maverick gas station on the corner

844
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Speaker 9: of my subdivision to this day. And all I could

845
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:28,720
Speaker 9: think of was this poor man is going to have

846
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Speaker 9: to spend potentially thousands of dollars go back to the

847
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Speaker 9: you know, the planning commission. Startle because why, this guy

848
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:39,720
Speaker 9: had some kind of power trip. If we hadn't been there,

849
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Speaker 9: I don't know if they would have passed or not.

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Speaker 9: But that's the power that one person has.

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Speaker 1: It's a little story. That little story is so beautiful one.

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Speaker 1: It first, that describes what a little busybody you are

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Speaker 1: that you'd actually go to this meeting. And no, we

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Speaker 1: don't do that.

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Speaker 9: Aunt p was a busybody.

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Speaker 1: He was a busy body, and everybody loved aunt Pee.

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Speaker 1: But the point being that the power of this appointed board,

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Speaker 1: the zoning board, to mess with a guy's livelihood. All

859
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Speaker 1: he wants to do is risk his own wealth, his

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Speaker 1: own capital, his own time, his own energy by putting

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Speaker 1: up a gas station, which, by the way, you guys

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Speaker 1: need because you need another place to buy gas that's

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Speaker 1: closer than five miles away. Yeah, like you know. And

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Speaker 1: who's going to stop him from doing this. Somebody who

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Speaker 1: has no rooster in the fight. Some guy who goes,

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Speaker 1: I don't like that, t me. Now, you can't do it.

867
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Speaker 1: And it's just ridiculous, the power of these local positions.

868
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Speaker 1: All right. So you've been on a tear for the

869
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:57,560
Speaker 1: last few years trying to convince people who like freedom

870
00:59:57,600 --> 01:00:01,840
Speaker 1: to get on these boards and commissions, which, by the way,

871
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:04,960
Speaker 1: I think leftists love being on these boards and commissions.

872
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:07,840
Speaker 1: They love this stuff because they get to say, I

873
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:10,280
Speaker 1: don't like the sighs of that. I mean, can you

874
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:14,160
Speaker 1: get something that's a bit more I know, now bluish

875
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:17,240
Speaker 1: and because they love to control other people's lives. And

876
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:19,880
Speaker 1: you know this mission, which I think is just an

877
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:24,520
Speaker 1: incredible mission to get people saying, people on boards and commissions,

878
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:25,600
Speaker 1: how goes it?

879
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:30,640
Speaker 9: Well, exactly what you're describing. If somebody that had been

880
01:00:30,680 --> 01:00:34,360
Speaker 9: liberty loving had been on that board about planning and zoning,

881
01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:38,000
Speaker 9: perhaps this wouldn't have happened to that poor gentleman. So

882
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:41,360
Speaker 9: my goal is to get liberty loving people on boards

883
01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:46,080
Speaker 9: like that, all planning and zoning commissions, water commissions, fire districts,

884
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:51,720
Speaker 9: library districts, park and wreck citizen budget advisory commissions, even

885
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:55,680
Speaker 9: your local county fair board. Everybody loves a good old

886
01:00:55,720 --> 01:01:00,800
Speaker 9: county fair, right, but these are usually housed or people

887
01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:04,920
Speaker 9: that like to control your life are usually the ones

888
01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:07,959
Speaker 9: that want to be on these commissions. Well why well

889
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:11,120
Speaker 9: because they know they can control you and not least

890
01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:12,919
Speaker 9: have their name in the paper all the time.

891
01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:13,240
Speaker 1: Right.

892
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:16,800
Speaker 9: So my goal is to start changing the makeup of

893
01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:20,320
Speaker 9: these boards and commissions and getting more liberty loved, more

894
01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:24,000
Speaker 9: community minded, more people that are saying, hey, look it's

895
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:27,439
Speaker 9: your private property, Hey it's your business, Hey it's your

896
01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:31,640
Speaker 9: community and stop pulling back and let the overreach of

897
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:35,000
Speaker 9: government stop today so that we can start taking back

898
01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:35,800
Speaker 9: our communities.

899
01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:39,640
Speaker 7: And so I'm going around teaching classes on.

900
01:01:39,640 --> 01:01:43,160
Speaker 9: How to do this. It's except actually it's more complicated

901
01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:46,040
Speaker 9: than one would would imagine, because government likes to make

902
01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:51,480
Speaker 9: things complicated. It's also more hidden because again and things

903
01:01:51,480 --> 01:01:55,080
Speaker 9: in the shadows is something that government can control. And

904
01:01:55,120 --> 01:01:58,000
Speaker 9: so it is actually a little more daunting. But I'm

905
01:01:58,040 --> 01:02:00,800
Speaker 9: here to help you, right. The goal is to get

906
01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:04,080
Speaker 9: you and on this board and then to make you

907
01:02:04,120 --> 01:02:05,360
Speaker 9: successful so that.

908
01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:07,200
Speaker 7: Your community can be changed.

909
01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:10,520
Speaker 9: This is actually more of a cultural change than it

910
01:02:10,560 --> 01:02:14,200
Speaker 9: is even a political change, the idea that you are

911
01:02:14,240 --> 01:02:16,360
Speaker 9: the solution to the overreach of company.

912
01:02:16,440 --> 01:02:20,840
Speaker 1: Listen, lady, that's all well and good, but I got

913
01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:23,760
Speaker 1: a life, I got kids to take care of. I

914
01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:26,400
Speaker 1: on this, I don't want to spend my time on

915
01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:32,200
Speaker 1: some planning board someplace. I'll, you know, I'll go fight

916
01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:34,520
Speaker 1: for Trump, but I don't want to give, you know,

917
01:02:34,680 --> 01:02:38,320
Speaker 1: one night a month to a planning commission. That just

918
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:41,000
Speaker 1: doesn't sound fun to me.

919
01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:45,600
Speaker 9: You're well, it isn't exactly unfun. It is kind of fun.

920
01:02:45,640 --> 01:02:47,360
Speaker 9: You get to meet new people, you get to do

921
01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:50,040
Speaker 9: things you've never done before. And as you said, it

922
01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:54,800
Speaker 9: usually is about ten hours a month, maybe fifteen depending

923
01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:56,760
Speaker 9: on the commission and how much reading you have to do.

924
01:02:57,320 --> 01:03:01,400
Speaker 9: But if you really bring it down to your local level,

925
01:03:01,680 --> 01:03:06,280
Speaker 9: is your community, is your family? Is your area worth

926
01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:09,919
Speaker 9: that investment of time? Absolutely it is. If you don't

927
01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:13,280
Speaker 9: get involved, then who will you know? It will be

928
01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:15,040
Speaker 9: the busy body And the next thing you know, you're

929
01:03:15,040 --> 01:03:16,440
Speaker 9: going to wake up and you're not going to be

930
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:18,280
Speaker 9: able to do the things that you thought you could

931
01:03:18,280 --> 01:03:21,520
Speaker 9: do with your own private property because somebody else has

932
01:03:21,560 --> 01:03:26,120
Speaker 9: gotten on that board. Hoas are the classic example of this.

933
01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:31,240
Speaker 9: All HOA boards are elected, but there are so few people,

934
01:03:31,640 --> 01:03:35,080
Speaker 9: but they're basically a volunteer position, you know, even though

935
01:03:35,080 --> 01:03:37,680
Speaker 9: you're elected, obviously there's no campaigning or anything.

936
01:03:38,120 --> 01:03:39,720
Speaker 7: But they're the most unsung people.

937
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:42,360
Speaker 9: When I was on my HOA, of course I was

938
01:03:42,840 --> 01:03:46,800
Speaker 9: on my ay. I was able to get chickens put

939
01:03:46,840 --> 01:03:50,960
Speaker 9: back into my community because I wanted chickens, and I'm thinking, well,

940
01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:53,520
Speaker 9: why should anybody tell me about not having chickens?

941
01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:54,360
Speaker 7: So I was.

942
01:03:54,600 --> 01:03:57,560
Speaker 9: I got on for a very selfish reason. But then

943
01:03:57,680 --> 01:03:59,720
Speaker 9: I've opened it up and now we have people all

944
01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:03,200
Speaker 9: over community that have chickens. So what you can do

945
01:04:03,240 --> 01:04:06,240
Speaker 9: for your community not only benefits you, but it is

946
01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:10,120
Speaker 9: a cultural change. And then when I got my chickens,

947
01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:12,880
Speaker 9: I waited another year or so and then I handed

948
01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:15,840
Speaker 9: it off to the next set of board members. That's

949
01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:17,520
Speaker 9: what I call civic engagement.

950
01:04:17,560 --> 01:04:22,919
Speaker 1: In civic involvement, also it leads some people to other positions.

951
01:04:23,080 --> 01:04:26,440
Speaker 1: You now sit on the RTD Board of Directors because

952
01:04:26,720 --> 01:04:28,680
Speaker 1: you got turned on by this and you ran for

953
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:33,520
Speaker 1: office and you won't, which is incredible other people. I'm

954
01:04:33,520 --> 01:04:36,200
Speaker 1: not saying everybody has to, you know, become an elected official,

955
01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:41,480
Speaker 1: but you learn so much getting involved in local government.

956
01:04:41,520 --> 01:04:45,880
Speaker 1: You really get to see the machinery of what happens,

957
01:04:46,080 --> 01:04:50,240
Speaker 1: and you become wise to the ways of the bureaucracy,

958
01:04:50,320 --> 01:04:55,960
Speaker 1: how they cozy up to business, how people manipulate other

959
01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:59,400
Speaker 1: people's lives in a million different ways. And it's all

960
01:04:59,440 --> 01:05:01,960
Speaker 1: on the local side, and you can stop it. And

961
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:04,360
Speaker 1: I got to tell you it's very, very empowering.

962
01:05:05,360 --> 01:05:06,680
Speaker 4: It's just what it really is.

963
01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:10,680
Speaker 1: If people want to learn more about this and follow

964
01:05:10,760 --> 01:05:13,600
Speaker 1: your lead, where do they go, Well, they.

965
01:05:13,520 --> 01:05:16,160
Speaker 9: Can go to the website at the Independence Institute, which

966
01:05:16,200 --> 01:05:19,680
Speaker 9: is Thinkfreedom dot org and on our website there's a

967
01:05:19,680 --> 01:05:22,560
Speaker 9: little tab that says get involved, and under there is

968
01:05:22,600 --> 01:05:28,280
Speaker 9: the Civic Citizens Involvement Project. And if you want me

969
01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:31,400
Speaker 9: to come to your group, whatever that is. Maybe it's

970
01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:34,600
Speaker 9: a church group, maybe it's a civic involvement group, or

971
01:05:34,640 --> 01:05:37,160
Speaker 9: maybe it's just a bunch of ladies together for bunco.

972
01:05:37,320 --> 01:05:40,560
Speaker 9: I don't care, and I'll come and teach a class

973
01:05:40,600 --> 01:05:44,320
Speaker 9: on how to do this. And it really actually is empowering.

974
01:05:44,920 --> 01:05:46,680
Speaker 9: Not only do you think you can get on a

975
01:05:46,680 --> 01:05:49,560
Speaker 9: border commission, but it could lead to other things. But

976
01:05:49,680 --> 01:05:51,480
Speaker 9: the best thing that it's going to lead to is

977
01:05:51,560 --> 01:05:56,480
Speaker 9: just civic engagement in general. Our civic knowledge about how

978
01:05:56,600 --> 01:06:00,440
Speaker 9: government works, about how things are is so ah low

979
01:06:00,560 --> 01:06:02,400
Speaker 9: right now. I mean, you know, people don't even know

980
01:06:02,440 --> 01:06:04,760
Speaker 9: the branches of government. They don't know who does what.

981
01:06:05,360 --> 01:06:07,880
Speaker 1: Well, if they do, they certainly know the federal side.

982
01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:13,280
Speaker 1: But on the local side, Colorado has five thousand local

983
01:06:13,320 --> 01:06:19,400
Speaker 1: governments and special districts. That's where the machinery of oppression is.

984
01:06:19,520 --> 01:06:24,920
Speaker 1: That's where the machinery of special interests rise free. And

985
01:06:25,680 --> 01:06:28,800
Speaker 1: to be involved in that in finding out is the

986
01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:32,200
Speaker 1: education people need and it's I think it's just empowering,

987
01:06:32,200 --> 01:06:34,520
Speaker 1: all right, So one more time, go thinkfreedom dot org.

988
01:06:34,880 --> 01:06:38,560
Speaker 1: Under the get involved tab you'll see the Citizens Involvement Project.

989
01:06:39,080 --> 01:06:44,280
Speaker 1: Look for Kathleen Chandler at Independence Institute. Kathleen, You've always

990
01:06:44,320 --> 01:06:46,120
Speaker 1: been an inspiration. I don't know how you do it,

991
01:06:46,640 --> 01:06:49,120
Speaker 1: so just you have to.

992
01:06:49,040 --> 01:06:51,560
Speaker 9: Give a big shout out. Today is my husband's birthday,

993
01:06:52,840 --> 01:06:56,760
Speaker 9: and so Roger is out there listening, and thanks John

994
01:06:56,800 --> 01:07:01,439
Speaker 9: for letting us work on Eyear's Eve and for being

995
01:07:01,440 --> 01:07:02,960
Speaker 9: the slave driver that you are.

996
01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:05,600
Speaker 7: A Hackey office, so you're hardly ever there.

997
01:07:05,680 --> 01:07:06,919
Speaker 9: So what do I say?

998
01:07:07,160 --> 01:07:10,120
Speaker 1: It sound like I work? Hey, thank you so much, Kathleen,

999
01:07:10,320 --> 01:07:13,640
Speaker 1: appreciate it. I'm back after this three or three seven one, three,

1000
01:07:13,720 --> 01:07:16,640
Speaker 1: eight five eight five seven one three eighty five eighty five.

1001
01:07:16,800 --> 01:07:19,680
Speaker 1: Keep it here. You're on KOA News Talk Sports. It's

1002
01:07:19,720 --> 01:07:22,680
Speaker 1: the end of the year. I'll tell you what. When

1003
01:07:22,680 --> 01:07:24,439
Speaker 1: we get back, why don't we spend a little time

1004
01:07:24,520 --> 01:07:28,120
Speaker 1: chatting about some things that will be different next year,

1005
01:07:28,520 --> 01:07:30,439
Speaker 1: including some of the laws that are coming into place.

1006
01:07:30,480 --> 01:07:35,160
Speaker 1: But also I want some predictions what's going to happen

1007
01:07:35,520 --> 01:07:39,400
Speaker 1: next year. And I'm thinking politically because that's my world.

1008
01:07:40,080 --> 01:07:45,000
Speaker 1: I'll put out one right now. I think I think

1009
01:07:45,400 --> 01:07:49,000
Speaker 1: Phil Wiser, our ag is going to be our next governor.

1010
01:07:50,360 --> 01:07:52,480
Speaker 1: I think that's going to happen. I'm not saying that's

1011
01:07:52,480 --> 01:07:54,040
Speaker 1: what I want to happen. Let me be you that

1012
01:07:54,560 --> 01:08:00,160
Speaker 1: real clear, and I'll explain why. I think it's going

1013
01:08:00,200 --> 01:08:01,760
Speaker 1: to be a shame. I think it's gonna be terrible

1014
01:08:01,800 --> 01:08:08,160
Speaker 1: for the state. But that's just a prediction. I could

1015
01:08:08,160 --> 01:08:11,480
Speaker 1: be wrong. Tell me three or three seven, one, three

1016
01:08:11,560 --> 01:08:13,680
Speaker 1: eighty five, eighty five back after the news. Keep it

1017
01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:16,519
Speaker 1: right here. You're on KOA News Sports.

1018
01:08:16,200 --> 01:08:20,920
Speaker 2: Talk KOA, and I heard radio station.

1019
01:08:22,880 --> 01:08:25,160
Speaker 3: Guaranteed Human you.

1020
01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:27,280
Speaker 1: You've noticed this too. The older you get, the faster

1021
01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:30,360
Speaker 1: it goes. Had a friend once say, it's the uh,

1022
01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:34,840
Speaker 1: it's the toilet paper theory of life. Now, the less

1023
01:08:34,880 --> 01:08:39,400
Speaker 1: you have, the faster it goes, the more it spins. Yeah,

1024
01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:44,240
Speaker 1: that's that's about right. Used to feel like years when

1025
01:08:44,280 --> 01:08:47,799
Speaker 1: you were a kid. That makes sense. When you're a kid,

1026
01:08:48,439 --> 01:08:53,080
Speaker 1: you're five years old, the year is twenty percent of

1027
01:08:53,120 --> 01:08:56,719
Speaker 1: your life. You just lived a year that's twenty percent

1028
01:08:56,800 --> 01:09:02,720
Speaker 1: of your life, and now it's you know, one sixtieth

1029
01:09:02,840 --> 01:09:06,559
Speaker 1: of your life. So of course it's going to seem faster.

1030
01:09:07,720 --> 01:09:11,800
Speaker 1: And then there's this other thing, which is been there

1031
01:09:11,920 --> 01:09:18,160
Speaker 1: done that. The been there done that issue is pretty straightforward.

1032
01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:25,160
Speaker 1: There are very few really new experiences as you get older.

1033
01:09:25,360 --> 01:09:30,200
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you go to different places. That's different, but

1034
01:09:30,320 --> 01:09:32,760
Speaker 1: you know what it's like to travel. You've been on airplanes.

1035
01:09:33,320 --> 01:09:35,720
Speaker 1: You know. You might pick up a new sport, you

1036
01:09:35,760 --> 01:09:38,800
Speaker 1: pick up pickleball, but you know you've done tennis and

1037
01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:41,760
Speaker 1: you've done racketball, so you kind of you know there's

1038
01:09:41,840 --> 01:09:45,720
Speaker 1: a thing there. And so as you get older, it's

1039
01:09:45,760 --> 01:09:51,240
Speaker 1: really important, I think to do new things, which to say,

1040
01:09:51,280 --> 01:09:57,519
Speaker 1: I'm I'm changing my gender now. I what it's better

1041
01:09:57,600 --> 01:10:03,479
Speaker 1: time now than ever. I'm not having any luck with women.

1042
01:10:03,720 --> 01:10:05,479
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about going gay. I don't know if you

1043
01:10:06,360 --> 01:10:08,760
Speaker 1: have to like take a class or something to become gay.

1044
01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:10,880
Speaker 1: I don't know exactly how that works. But you know,

1045
01:10:12,120 --> 01:10:13,960
Speaker 1: it's not like my love life could be any worse.

1046
01:10:14,320 --> 01:10:16,559
Speaker 1: Just something to think about, all right. Three h three

1047
01:10:17,640 --> 01:10:25,280
Speaker 1: seven one, three eighty five eighty five. The next the

1048
01:10:25,320 --> 01:10:29,960
Speaker 1: next year is going to be a fascinating year. It's

1049
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:33,400
Speaker 1: gonna be a fascinating political year. Let's work from the

1050
01:10:33,400 --> 01:10:37,040
Speaker 1: top down we're gonna have our midterm elections, and it's

1051
01:10:37,280 --> 01:10:41,600
Speaker 1: likely the Republicans will lose control of the House. I

1052
01:10:42,160 --> 01:10:45,479
Speaker 1: would be surprised if they keep control of the House.

1053
01:10:46,360 --> 01:10:51,559
Speaker 1: It is such a slim slim slim majority right now,

1054
01:10:52,720 --> 01:10:56,360
Speaker 1: and whatever party is in control, whatever party has the

1055
01:10:56,360 --> 01:11:02,280
Speaker 1: White House in midterm elections, they usually lose. It's it's

1056
01:11:02,320 --> 01:11:05,560
Speaker 1: not a guarantee, but it's pretty close to a guarantee,

1057
01:11:06,960 --> 01:11:11,400
Speaker 1: which means, as usual, Republicans are going to miss an

1058
01:11:11,400 --> 01:11:18,920
Speaker 1: opportunity between now and the midterm election. All these great

1059
01:11:19,120 --> 01:11:24,160
Speaker 1: things that Trump is doing by executive order are temporary,

1060
01:11:24,560 --> 01:11:31,679
Speaker 1: absolutely temporary, unless they're codified. So he can he can

1061
01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:37,000
Speaker 1: open up drilling in different places. He can he can

1062
01:11:37,040 --> 01:11:40,320
Speaker 1: give permission for pipelines to go in, oh, whatever it is.

1063
01:11:40,920 --> 01:11:47,080
Speaker 1: But when AOC becomes president in three years, she's just

1064
01:11:47,120 --> 01:11:49,280
Speaker 1: going to change it back and go back the other

1065
01:11:49,320 --> 01:11:56,360
Speaker 1: direction because it's not permanent. You have to make these

1066
01:11:56,479 --> 01:12:03,920
Speaker 1: changes permanent. So all these great things he's doing saying no,

1067
01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:06,280
Speaker 1: we're not going to give any money to schools that

1068
01:12:06,360 --> 01:12:12,160
Speaker 1: allow boys to play in girls' sports. Great, and that's

1069
01:12:12,200 --> 01:12:15,160
Speaker 1: going to get changed unless we pass a law that

1070
01:12:15,240 --> 01:12:20,840
Speaker 1: the next president has to abide by here in Colorado.

1071
01:12:21,160 --> 01:12:24,439
Speaker 1: That fight is going to be the eighth congressional Gabe

1072
01:12:24,479 --> 01:12:31,680
Speaker 1: Evans seat. He won in a pretty tight race, in

1073
01:12:31,760 --> 01:12:38,920
Speaker 1: a very tight race. That's impressive. Can he keep it?

1074
01:12:40,200 --> 01:12:45,000
Speaker 1: I don't know. Keep in mind that Trump is hated

1075
01:12:45,200 --> 01:12:48,280
Speaker 1: in this state. He does not do well in this state. No,

1076
01:12:48,400 --> 01:12:50,880
Speaker 1: you might love him, you might think he's the best

1077
01:12:50,880 --> 01:12:55,800
Speaker 1: president ever, but most Coloraden's tend to disagree with you.

1078
01:12:59,520 --> 01:13:04,679
Speaker 1: So will Gabe Evans keep keep that seat? I honestly

1079
01:13:04,720 --> 01:13:09,479
Speaker 1: don't know. I've I've heard of polling that shows he's

1080
01:13:09,520 --> 01:13:16,200
Speaker 1: doing okay, I've I don't trust polling. I don't trust polling.

1081
01:13:17,000 --> 01:13:22,559
Speaker 1: I don't know if you know of these futures sites.

1082
01:13:23,479 --> 01:13:25,879
Speaker 1: They say it's it's not good to gamble on elections,

1083
01:13:25,880 --> 01:13:28,280
Speaker 1: but there's there's some sites. I'm blanking out on the names.

1084
01:13:28,320 --> 01:13:30,960
Speaker 1: It used to be in trade and I'll remember the

1085
01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:35,760
Speaker 1: other sites where you can bet on the outcome of

1086
01:13:35,840 --> 01:13:37,479
Speaker 1: different things. Yeah, you can bet on who's going to

1087
01:13:37,560 --> 01:13:40,360
Speaker 1: win the super Bowl, But you can also bet on

1088
01:13:40,680 --> 01:13:45,280
Speaker 1: will the Federal Reserve lower interest rate interest rates at

1089
01:13:45,280 --> 01:13:49,080
Speaker 1: their next meeting, who's going to be the next congressman here,

1090
01:13:49,120 --> 01:13:53,799
Speaker 1: Who's going to be the next president. And amazingly those

1091
01:13:54,200 --> 01:14:02,960
Speaker 1: sites are ridiculously accurate compared to poles, I mean wildly accurate.

1092
01:14:03,680 --> 01:14:11,040
Speaker 1: Why because when a guy calls you from a polling firm,

1093
01:14:11,200 --> 01:14:16,080
Speaker 1: you might not tell them the truth. You might put

1094
01:14:16,120 --> 01:14:21,479
Speaker 1: in what you want to happen, but not what you

1095
01:14:21,600 --> 01:14:30,280
Speaker 1: think actually will happen. That's why. That's why sites like Kalshi,

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01:14:30,479 --> 01:14:35,519
Speaker 1: which is k A L s I s h I

1097
01:14:35,600 --> 01:14:39,679
Speaker 1: excoose me or predict it or polymarket. They're basically sports

1098
01:14:39,680 --> 01:14:45,320
Speaker 1: betting apps that include political stuff too. So instead of

1099
01:14:45,360 --> 01:14:48,040
Speaker 1: just betting, you know, on fan duel about the Broncos,

1100
01:14:48,080 --> 01:14:51,519
Speaker 1: you can bet who's going to who's going to win

1101
01:14:51,840 --> 01:14:56,519
Speaker 1: the next races. And since people are putting their money

1102
01:14:56,720 --> 01:15:01,599
Speaker 1: on it, they're more disconnected from their own personal feelings

1103
01:15:01,600 --> 01:15:03,519
Speaker 1: of who they like and who they don't like, and

1104
01:15:03,560 --> 01:15:09,320
Speaker 1: they start gathering information just like sports betters do. Oh,

1105
01:15:09,479 --> 01:15:12,520
Speaker 1: what's the position of the team, what are the injuries?

1106
01:15:12,800 --> 01:15:15,519
Speaker 1: You know, what are the opponents doing? You know, they

1107
01:15:15,520 --> 01:15:17,560
Speaker 1: look at all this stuff, what's a home field advantage?

1108
01:15:17,560 --> 01:15:22,960
Speaker 1: What's this who? And they they they analyze it. So

1109
01:15:23,000 --> 01:15:27,960
Speaker 1: this is not gonna surprise you. But Calshi, those gamblers

1110
01:15:28,080 --> 01:15:33,200
Speaker 1: give ninety five percent odds that a Democrat will be

1111
01:15:33,280 --> 01:15:39,479
Speaker 1: Colorado's next governor. Yeah, that sounds that sounds about right.

1112
01:15:41,560 --> 01:15:45,639
Speaker 1: Ninety five percent odds. Right now, the Democrat's gonna win.

1113
01:15:45,920 --> 01:15:48,280
Speaker 1: So Republicans can say, oh no, if only we have

1114
01:15:48,320 --> 01:15:50,800
Speaker 1: a more trumpet. There's more trumply that all right, you

1115
01:15:50,840 --> 01:15:57,800
Speaker 1: can think that, But the odds makers, the people who

1116
01:15:57,800 --> 01:16:00,720
Speaker 1: are putting their money on the line, don't agree with you.

1117
01:16:02,920 --> 01:16:09,439
Speaker 1: Colorado's next attorney general an eighty six percent chance it

1118
01:16:09,479 --> 01:16:16,320
Speaker 1: will be a Democrat, and our next United States Senator

1119
01:16:16,680 --> 01:16:21,240
Speaker 1: is going to be I don't wait for it, by

1120
01:16:21,320 --> 01:16:25,640
Speaker 1: ninety seven percent, it's going to be a Democrat. So

1121
01:16:25,760 --> 01:16:29,840
Speaker 1: this is kind of interesting even though it says the

1122
01:16:29,880 --> 01:16:33,280
Speaker 1: next senator is going to be a Democrat. This is

1123
01:16:33,479 --> 01:16:38,240
Speaker 1: Hickenlooper's reelection. When you take a look at who will

1124
01:16:38,240 --> 01:16:44,400
Speaker 1: win the primary, it gives Hickenlooper only an eighty percent

1125
01:16:44,560 --> 01:16:48,559
Speaker 1: chance of winning his own primary. A different site called

1126
01:16:48,600 --> 01:16:53,280
Speaker 1: polymarket has him at get this, only sixty six percent.

1127
01:16:56,760 --> 01:17:03,320
Speaker 1: That's fascinating. Does it mean that people are betting that

1128
01:17:03,320 --> 01:17:09,960
Speaker 1: that Hickenlooper is no longer exciting, no longer attractive. Maybe

1129
01:17:10,000 --> 01:17:14,280
Speaker 1: he's a little long in the tooth for Colorado voters

1130
01:17:14,960 --> 01:17:18,639
Speaker 1: that could be right now. I couldn't find I couldn't

1131
01:17:18,720 --> 01:17:22,120
Speaker 1: find something on the actual who's going to be the

1132
01:17:22,120 --> 01:17:26,400
Speaker 1: next governor other than it's going to be it's going

1133
01:17:26,479 --> 01:17:30,240
Speaker 1: to be a Democrat. And so I'm gonna put out

1134
01:17:30,280 --> 01:17:32,799
Speaker 1: this prediction. I think it's going to be Phil Wiser.

1135
01:17:34,320 --> 01:17:39,920
Speaker 1: I think the idea of Bennett being a shoe in

1136
01:17:40,400 --> 01:17:42,160
Speaker 1: is a mistake. Let's take a quick break and then

1137
01:17:42,160 --> 01:17:44,000
Speaker 1: I'll explain my reasoning on that. Tell me if you

1138
01:17:44,040 --> 01:17:45,960
Speaker 1: think I'm right, and if you've got a prediction for

1139
01:17:46,000 --> 01:17:48,200
Speaker 1: this you cooming year, let me know what it is.

1140
01:17:48,240 --> 01:17:51,920
Speaker 1: Three h three seven to one, three eight five eight

1141
01:17:52,000 --> 01:17:54,200
Speaker 1: five the seven one three eight, five eight five. I'm

1142
01:17:54,240 --> 01:17:58,160
Speaker 1: John Caldrek. Keep it here, Colorado's greatest station for news,

1143
01:17:58,439 --> 01:18:01,439
Speaker 1: sports and talk. Cal Dara, it's the last day of

1144
01:18:01,479 --> 01:18:03,320
Speaker 1: the year. Spends a little time with me. Give me

1145
01:18:03,400 --> 01:18:05,360
Speaker 1: a call, three or three seven to one to three,

1146
01:18:05,640 --> 01:18:09,960
Speaker 1: eight five eighty five. My prediction for next year local politics.

1147
01:18:10,479 --> 01:18:15,360
Speaker 1: I think Democrats continue to have a massive choke hold

1148
01:18:15,439 --> 01:18:19,200
Speaker 1: on the House, the Senate here in Colorado, and I

1149
01:18:19,240 --> 01:18:24,760
Speaker 1: think Wiser beats Michael Bennett in a huge upset for

1150
01:18:24,840 --> 01:18:29,559
Speaker 1: the primary here in Colorado for a governor. What do

1151
01:18:29,640 --> 01:18:31,960
Speaker 1: you say, Let's go to the lines talk to David

1152
01:18:31,960 --> 01:18:35,519
Speaker 1: three h three seven to one, three eighty five, eighty five. Hey, David,

1153
01:18:35,840 --> 01:18:36,519
Speaker 1: glad to have you.

1154
01:18:39,320 --> 01:18:41,120
Speaker 6: Good to hear you on the blowtorchs.

1155
01:18:41,640 --> 01:18:42,559
Speaker 1: It's good to be here.

1156
01:18:42,720 --> 01:18:45,679
Speaker 4: I just wanted to well, yeah, I just.

1157
01:18:45,600 --> 01:18:48,320
Speaker 6: Wanted to echo what you were talking about last hour

1158
01:18:48,640 --> 01:18:53,960
Speaker 6: about getting involved. I'm on a town council, just got

1159
01:18:54,120 --> 01:18:59,200
Speaker 6: elected for another four years. And you know, I for

1160
01:18:59,320 --> 01:19:02,600
Speaker 6: twenty plus years in the town that I mean, I

1161
01:19:02,640 --> 01:19:05,280
Speaker 6: bet on the sidelines and through rocks and you know,

1162
01:19:05,400 --> 01:19:08,600
Speaker 6: talked about how well they're in bed with the developers

1163
01:19:08,680 --> 01:19:10,360
Speaker 6: and you know how they do all that stuff at

1164
01:19:10,360 --> 01:19:13,640
Speaker 6: the town. You know, once you get involved and you

1165
01:19:13,720 --> 01:19:18,800
Speaker 6: really understand how the sausage is made, you get a

1166
01:19:18,800 --> 01:19:24,120
Speaker 6: better understanding and you really feel like all it takes

1167
01:19:24,200 --> 01:19:27,800
Speaker 6: is an education. And I think the left is very

1168
01:19:27,840 --> 01:19:32,400
Speaker 6: active when there's open seats on school boards and town councils.

1169
01:19:34,120 --> 01:19:37,800
Speaker 6: The conservatives not to sleep and next thing you know,

1170
01:19:38,000 --> 01:19:39,080
Speaker 6: it's leaning the wrong way.

1171
01:19:39,200 --> 01:19:45,559
Speaker 1: So it is it's addictive. It's addictive in a way.

1172
01:19:45,840 --> 01:19:50,759
Speaker 1: Once you get involved in local politics. It's addictive because

1173
01:19:50,840 --> 01:19:56,040
Speaker 1: you you end up understanding what's what's going on at

1174
01:19:56,040 --> 01:19:58,680
Speaker 1: a deeper level, and you look at people who just

1175
01:19:58,760 --> 01:20:01,200
Speaker 1: kind of bitch about things, and you go, you don't

1176
01:20:01,320 --> 01:20:04,960
Speaker 1: quite get any here's what's really at play. Here are

1177
01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:08,240
Speaker 1: the people who are really making money off of what's

1178
01:20:08,320 --> 01:20:12,960
Speaker 1: going on. Here are the special interests that that or

1179
01:20:13,000 --> 01:20:15,920
Speaker 1: even though there's just a couple of these guys, they

1180
01:20:15,960 --> 01:20:19,479
Speaker 1: control everything, right.

1181
01:20:21,200 --> 01:20:23,960
Speaker 6: So it's I think, you know, we're lucky in our

1182
01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:27,479
Speaker 6: small town. I'm up in Severance. We don't have a

1183
01:20:27,479 --> 01:20:31,280
Speaker 6: lot of that going on as much as a big

1184
01:20:31,360 --> 01:20:35,920
Speaker 6: metro area does. It's easy to spot from the outside

1185
01:20:36,000 --> 01:20:40,759
Speaker 6: looking into those metro areas, but it all starts locally,

1186
01:20:40,800 --> 01:20:44,120
Speaker 6: I think. And the more the more momentum you can gain,

1187
01:20:44,479 --> 01:20:49,080
Speaker 6: the more educated you can come about how the process works.

1188
01:20:49,520 --> 01:20:52,519
Speaker 6: Something as simple as land usee codes. People don't understand

1189
01:20:52,560 --> 01:20:56,519
Speaker 6: why why councils approve new developments when they don't people

1190
01:20:56,520 --> 01:20:59,599
Speaker 6: don't want growth, Well, they met the land usee code.

1191
01:20:59,680 --> 01:21:04,200
Speaker 6: If wait right, well no, they see us. It's people

1192
01:21:04,360 --> 01:21:07,400
Speaker 6: really at the beginning, they're like up and arms. Next

1193
01:21:07,400 --> 01:21:09,680
Speaker 6: thing you know, you explain it to them and they go, oh,

1194
01:21:09,720 --> 01:21:11,080
Speaker 6: I get it, no problem.

1195
01:21:11,120 --> 01:21:17,120
Speaker 1: Thanks, Yeah, I get it now. Yeah, I get that part,

1196
01:21:17,479 --> 01:21:20,879
Speaker 1: you know. And you For four years I was sentenced

1197
01:21:20,920 --> 01:21:25,640
Speaker 1: to the Regional Transportation boarder directors and I was a

1198
01:21:25,720 --> 01:21:30,080
Speaker 1: chairman as well. In those four years, I learn more

1199
01:21:30,120 --> 01:21:34,160
Speaker 1: about politics. I learn more about what really happens in

1200
01:21:34,200 --> 01:21:37,519
Speaker 1: the Denver metro area where the power sources are, how

1201
01:21:37,600 --> 01:21:41,719
Speaker 1: people are ripped off, how bond dealers and unions run

1202
01:21:41,840 --> 01:21:47,960
Speaker 1: the joint in nitty gritty detail, and how progressives who

1203
01:21:48,080 --> 01:21:52,360
Speaker 1: love to control other people's lives control the mechanisms of

1204
01:21:52,439 --> 01:21:57,759
Speaker 1: government to manipulate how you live, how you commute, where

1205
01:21:57,840 --> 01:22:01,000
Speaker 1: you live, in your entire life. And I wouldn't have

1206
01:22:01,080 --> 01:22:03,760
Speaker 1: understood it, and do I'm not. I wouldn't be doing

1207
01:22:03,760 --> 01:22:05,960
Speaker 1: what I'm doing today if I didn't do that so

1208
01:22:06,040 --> 01:22:11,960
Speaker 1: many years ago. Great stuff, Hey David, thank you so much.

1209
01:22:12,120 --> 01:22:14,599
Speaker 1: Three or three seven one three eight five eighty five.

1210
01:22:14,640 --> 01:22:19,040
Speaker 1: What is your political prediction for Colorado coming up in

1211
01:22:19,080 --> 01:22:22,639
Speaker 1: twenty twenty six. I'm John Caldera. You you're on KOA

1212
01:22:22,800 --> 01:22:25,880
Speaker 1: News Talk Sports. I don't care if you don't care,

1213
01:22:26,000 --> 01:22:29,240
Speaker 1: I care. Three or three seven only three eighty five

1214
01:22:29,439 --> 01:22:34,879
Speaker 1: eighty five. Let's get to the phones. I'm John Caldera, Glenn,

1215
01:22:35,080 --> 01:22:37,280
Speaker 1: glad to have you. You're on KOAP.

1216
01:22:37,960 --> 01:22:41,120
Speaker 4: Well, thank you, John. I've been listening to your show,

1217
01:22:41,560 --> 01:22:45,599
Speaker 4: and while I wholeheartedly agree with your guests that you

1218
01:22:45,640 --> 01:22:50,720
Speaker 4: should get involved, I just want to, I don't know,

1219
01:22:51,520 --> 01:22:55,880
Speaker 4: tell you a little story about I live in Lakewood

1220
01:22:56,000 --> 01:22:58,880
Speaker 4: in one of the areas where they closed the school,

1221
01:23:00,160 --> 01:23:05,320
Speaker 4: and the school put up notices that they were going

1222
01:23:05,360 --> 01:23:09,400
Speaker 4: to sell the property and put up houses, and they

1223
01:23:09,439 --> 01:23:15,360
Speaker 4: weren't houses that were going to fit into the neighborhood.

1224
01:23:16,040 --> 01:23:19,679
Speaker 4: So I would guess over a hundred of us got together,

1225
01:23:20,439 --> 01:23:26,479
Speaker 4: went to the meetings and voiced our opinion, and believe

1226
01:23:26,520 --> 01:23:30,559
Speaker 4: it or not, it had no difference on the outcome.

1227
01:23:31,960 --> 01:23:34,840
Speaker 4: They had already decided they were going to sell the

1228
01:23:34,880 --> 01:23:40,120
Speaker 4: property to an investor that was going to do this

1229
01:23:40,240 --> 01:23:42,639
Speaker 4: to the neighborhood, no matter how many people.

1230
01:23:43,160 --> 01:23:45,240
Speaker 1: One of the reasons stuff like that happens, and it

1231
01:23:45,400 --> 01:23:50,920
Speaker 1: happens so often, is that the interested parties, the concentrated interests,

1232
01:23:51,880 --> 01:23:56,559
Speaker 1: are involved from the get go that by the time

1233
01:23:57,120 --> 01:24:03,040
Speaker 1: the time that normal people you know what's going to happen,

1234
01:24:04,640 --> 01:24:09,600
Speaker 1: it's already cooked. And those people in the know realize, well,

1235
01:24:09,640 --> 01:24:11,439
Speaker 1: there's nothing they can do about it. We've got the

1236
01:24:11,479 --> 01:24:14,200
Speaker 1: signed contracts, we've got the votes signed up. There's nothing

1237
01:24:14,240 --> 01:24:18,760
Speaker 1: that can happen. I look at on Colfax Avenue, the

1238
01:24:19,280 --> 01:24:22,320
Speaker 1: RTD is going to put in this ridiculous bus rapid

1239
01:24:22,360 --> 01:24:26,080
Speaker 1: transit system, which is not going to help traffic. It's

1240
01:24:26,120 --> 01:24:29,960
Speaker 1: going to make traffic much worse. And it's going to

1241
01:24:30,000 --> 01:24:33,160
Speaker 1: make sure that nobody else can compete for that busway

1242
01:24:33,240 --> 01:24:35,840
Speaker 1: other than RTD. So it's a nice way to take

1243
01:24:35,840 --> 01:24:39,800
Speaker 1: away lanes of general traffic and replace it with something

1244
01:24:39,840 --> 01:24:44,600
Speaker 1: that only RTD can do. It's like, this is a terrible, terrible,

1245
01:24:44,800 --> 01:24:47,760
Speaker 1: terrible idea on so many ways. Maybe if they had

1246
01:24:47,760 --> 01:24:50,840
Speaker 1: a bus lane that other carpoolers could use, or you

1247
01:24:50,840 --> 01:24:54,080
Speaker 1: could buy your way into or something, it might make

1248
01:24:54,160 --> 01:24:55,960
Speaker 1: some more sense. But no, that's not what they do.

1249
01:24:56,560 --> 01:25:01,040
Speaker 1: And by the time you realize what they're doing, it's

1250
01:25:01,240 --> 01:25:05,640
Speaker 1: done because well, you weren't there at the beginning. The

1251
01:25:05,720 --> 01:25:09,680
Speaker 1: idea of getting people involved on boards and commissions or

1252
01:25:09,720 --> 01:25:14,559
Speaker 1: on school boards early on is that you could stop

1253
01:25:14,640 --> 01:25:20,040
Speaker 1: that stuff before it happens if we do have to know.

1254
01:25:20,040 --> 01:25:23,040
Speaker 4: About it the whole That was the whole idea. We

1255
01:25:23,040 --> 01:25:27,160
Speaker 4: were fighting the school board Jefferson County School who has

1256
01:25:27,560 --> 01:25:33,400
Speaker 4: you know? You know they have closed seventeen properties. We were

1257
01:25:33,320 --> 01:25:36,840
Speaker 4: fighting them, and we were also fighting the council people

1258
01:25:36,920 --> 01:25:40,400
Speaker 4: who for some reason thought this was a good idea

1259
01:25:40,479 --> 01:25:42,880
Speaker 4: to close the school that has been here.

1260
01:25:43,640 --> 01:25:45,600
Speaker 1: Well, you don't need to make the argument to me

1261
01:25:46,320 --> 01:25:48,479
Speaker 1: of why you're right and they're wrong. I mean, I

1262
01:25:48,920 --> 01:25:53,439
Speaker 1: get that. My point being, let me get the thought out.

1263
01:25:53,479 --> 01:25:57,280
Speaker 1: Let me get the thought out. If let's say you

1264
01:25:57,760 --> 01:26:00,920
Speaker 1: were on the school board, do you think this would

1265
01:26:00,920 --> 01:26:05,320
Speaker 1: have happened if you were on the school board before

1266
01:26:05,320 --> 01:26:07,320
Speaker 1: it happened, pardon me.

1267
01:26:07,479 --> 01:26:10,879
Speaker 4: I would only have one vote, but you would.

1268
01:26:10,720 --> 01:26:13,439
Speaker 1: Have had so much more. You would be the guy

1269
01:26:13,520 --> 01:26:18,960
Speaker 1: who could then tell other people what is really happening.

1270
01:26:19,520 --> 01:26:23,080
Speaker 1: You're the guy who could started up and get things

1271
01:26:23,120 --> 01:26:26,120
Speaker 1: going early on, My point being. One of the reasons

1272
01:26:26,160 --> 01:26:30,439
Speaker 1: government advances so much is that those of us who

1273
01:26:30,479 --> 01:26:32,879
Speaker 1: believe in freedom, those of us who are liberty junkies,

1274
01:26:32,920 --> 01:26:38,599
Speaker 1: we get involved in fights after the fight is over,

1275
01:26:38,880 --> 01:26:43,080
Speaker 1: thinking we still have some sway in it. What we

1276
01:26:43,120 --> 01:26:45,760
Speaker 1: need to do is get more people involved in the

1277
01:26:45,800 --> 01:26:51,200
Speaker 1: inner workings of government earlier on to protect our freedoms

1278
01:26:51,240 --> 01:26:53,200
Speaker 1: and that's a tough thing to do because it's against

1279
01:26:53,400 --> 01:26:57,280
Speaker 1: our nature to get involved in government. Where do they

1280
01:26:57,320 --> 01:27:02,479
Speaker 1: tell people what to do? And so have you ever

1281
01:27:02,720 --> 01:27:05,080
Speaker 1: volunteered to be on the governmental board or commission?

1282
01:27:06,439 --> 01:27:06,719
Speaker 6: Well?

1283
01:27:06,880 --> 01:27:10,759
Speaker 4: No, I mean I actually volunteered when we were because

1284
01:27:10,800 --> 01:27:14,679
Speaker 4: they went through the ropes. I mean, they did everything properly.

1285
01:27:15,240 --> 01:27:17,640
Speaker 4: Hang on they Have you.

1286
01:27:17,640 --> 01:27:20,720
Speaker 1: Ever volunteered to be on a board or commission that

1287
01:27:20,800 --> 01:27:22,799
Speaker 1: is a governmental board or a governmental commission?

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Speaker 4: I volunteered this time to be on the commission, on

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Speaker 4: the board that would decide which what to do with

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Speaker 4: this property? And I was, you know, overlooked on that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Did you have any friends on the school.

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Speaker 4: For Your answer is yes, and my answer is yes.

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Speaker 1: But that's.

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Speaker 4: I guess what I'm saying is we don't always even

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Speaker 4: though we get involved, we don't always get the results

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Speaker 4: we want. Man had to stand up in their meeting

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Speaker 4: and reminded all the people in the school and all

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Speaker 4: the people on the council members that they are elected

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Speaker 4: and we can that's the only way we can retaliate.

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Speaker 1: You know. It's it's a shame that by the time,

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Speaker 1: by the time it gets to the committee room, I

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Speaker 1: think about about the attack on gun rights in Colorado.

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Speaker 1: By the time the committee hears it in the state legislature,

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Speaker 1: and you might get five hundred gunnies there screaming about it.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. They've sewn up the votes, and so

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Speaker 1: they'll look at you and be polite while you while

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Speaker 1: you say the things you want to say, and then

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Speaker 1: they'll they'll vote the way that they planned on voting.

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Speaker 1: That's why good lobbyists and good citizen activists are involved early.

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Speaker 1: And it's one of the problems of numbers. Let me

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Speaker 1: let me give you an example in Greeley, in the

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Speaker 1: heart of oil and gas country. This is years back,

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Speaker 1: the Greely Energy Advisory Board for the city brought forward

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Speaker 1: a proposal to immediately end all fracking. Now, this is

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Speaker 1: in the heart of oil and gas country. But the

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Speaker 1: left is so well organized and they take over these

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Speaker 1: energy committees that the city council was forced to vote

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Speaker 1: on a fracking ban that would have destroyed their city. Now,

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Speaker 1: fortunately they voted it down, but the fact that these

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Speaker 1: activists were appointed and they were happy to bring forward

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Speaker 1: this proposal shows you the power that the left has

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Speaker 1: to get involved in enterynook and cranny of government and

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Speaker 1: our team Team Freedom. Well, we got lives, We've got

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Speaker 1: families and jobs and things to take care of. And

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Speaker 1: it's too bad we've lost that sense of we've got

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Speaker 1: to get involved and and do something in our community.

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Speaker 1: Because if we did it, if we match them person

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Speaker 1: for person easily, we'd win easily. We just don't show

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Speaker 1: up to play any other comments. What would do just

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Speaker 1: out of curiosity, knowing what you know now and what

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Speaker 1: happened on the issue that was important to you, if

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Speaker 1: you had to do this differently, go back several years,

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Speaker 1: what would you do differently to get the out political

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Speaker 1: outcome you wanted.

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Speaker 4: The only thing that I could have done differently is

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Speaker 4: try to run for school board. Yeah, because I mean

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Speaker 4: I understood why they closed the school. They weren't getting

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Speaker 4: the amount of people they needed to keep it open, right,

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Speaker 4: But they flawed everything involved in it because they didn't

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Speaker 4: tell anybody they were closing the school until basically it

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Speaker 4: was too late, and then they flawed it. By the

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Speaker 4: whole history of this school was we just finished paying

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Speaker 4: I mean true taxpayers' money, of course, but they just

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Speaker 4: did a renovation of this school.

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Speaker 1: They always have a bond dealing. It doesn't matter what happens.

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Speaker 1: Bond dealers always win. I haven't figured it out, but

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Speaker 1: they always win. In school unions always win. Clinton, thanks

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Speaker 1: for the call. I appreciate it. Three h three seven

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Speaker 1: one three eighty five eighty five seven one three eight

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Speaker 1: five eighty five. Do you have some predictions for what's

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Speaker 1: going to happen next year? Going forward? The reason I

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Speaker 1: think Wiser wins the primary is several points. One. I

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01:31:55,560 --> 01:32:01,520
Speaker 1: think Kyl Ruddens are looking for fresh, younger faces and politics,

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Speaker 1: and everyone says, well, Bennett's got all the name recognition,

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Speaker 1: to which I say, does he? Does he? Really? There

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Speaker 1: are two positions in Colorado that guarantee you news coverage

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Speaker 1: almost daily. One is being the governor of Colorado, and

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Speaker 1: the second is being the mayor of Denver, who gets

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Speaker 1: the least amount of coverage in Colorado. To be honest,

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Speaker 1: it's our federal delegation. Nobody hears from them, And now

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Speaker 1: that our newspapers are no longer newspapers and there are

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Speaker 1: no longer Washington bureaus from the Denver Post or the

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Speaker 1: Rocky Mountain News or whomever, we really don't hear a

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Speaker 1: lot from our senators so yeah, they might have been

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Speaker 1: a big deal way back when, but I just don't think,

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Speaker 1: given how many people have come into Colorado since that

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Speaker 1: they're common names. And let me go a little further,

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Speaker 1: Bennett is not what you call an engaging character. He's

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Speaker 1: not an exciting character. Oh yeah, every now and then

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Speaker 1: he has his temper tantrum on the Senate floor and

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Speaker 1: he yells and it's very cute. But he's not a

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Speaker 1: guy who I think connects well with people. I also

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Speaker 1: think he doesn't really know what goes on in Colorado,

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Speaker 1: which is somewhat important for a governor. Whereas Wiser uses

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Speaker 1: his office as a constant, absolute, constant push to get

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01:33:45,920 --> 01:33:49,800
Speaker 1: pr there's no one he wants to. He assued the

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Speaker 1: Trump administration now forty six times. It all seems pretty

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01:33:58,120 --> 01:34:02,960
Speaker 1: ridiculous to me. But it's forty six different press releases,

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Speaker 1: forty six different press conferences, forty six different articles in

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Speaker 1: the newspaper showing how he's fighting the scourge of Trump

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Speaker 1: for Coloraden's Bennett says he needs to become governor in

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Speaker 1: order to protect us from from Trump. It's like, what

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Speaker 1: has what position has more power to protect us from Trump?

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Speaker 1: Is it the governor here or is it the Senate

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Speaker 1: out there? It's definitely the Senate. If you want to

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Speaker 1: be a check in balance to Trump, you stay in

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Speaker 1: the Senate. So I think a lot of primary primary

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Speaker 1: voters are going to look at this and go, let

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Speaker 1: me see if I got this right. I like Bennett,

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Speaker 1: and I like him as a congressman, but if I

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Speaker 1: vote for him here, he stops being a congressman, and

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Speaker 1: I don't know who replaces him. If I vote for Wiser,

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Speaker 1: I know who's going to be by senator. Bennett continues

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Speaker 1: to be senator, and I get this guy's governor. That's

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Speaker 1: a huge advantage for Wiser. But here's the real reason

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Speaker 1: I don't think Bennett wins is that he's playing cage

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Speaker 1: on who replaces him. He has made it very clear

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Speaker 1: that he will not resign his position as United States

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Speaker 1: Senator until he is sworn in as governor. And then

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Speaker 1: who gets to decide who fills the vacancy in a

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Speaker 1: US Senate seat here in Colorado? Get ready for this.

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Speaker 1: It's the governor. Bennett will be naming his own replacement,

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01:36:00,640 --> 01:36:04,960
Speaker 1: but he won't tell us who who he's replacing himself with.

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Speaker 1: Who are you replacing yourself with I'll tell you when

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Speaker 1: I win. So we're not voting for one position with Bennett,

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01:36:16,200 --> 01:36:18,439
Speaker 1: we're voting for two. If you vote for Bennett in

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01:36:18,479 --> 01:36:21,439
Speaker 1: the primary, if you vote for Bennett in the general,

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01:36:22,040 --> 01:36:26,880
Speaker 1: you're voting for Bennett for governor and a mystery candidate

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Speaker 1: to be named later by Bennett to replace him as

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Speaker 1: a senator. People aren't not going to like that, even

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Speaker 1: Democrats who like Bennett support Bennett and go, who are

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Speaker 1: you going to replace yourself with? Well, I'll decide that later. No,

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Speaker 1: tell me now, because I'm voting for two people. If

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Speaker 1: I vote for you, I vote for two people, and

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01:36:52,880 --> 01:36:55,200
Speaker 1: I should know who that other person is. I should

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01:36:55,280 --> 01:36:59,720
Speaker 1: know who your replacement is going to be. Is it

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Speaker 1: going to be Jared? Pull us? Fine, I'd I'd be

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Speaker 1: happy if Jared was our senator? Why because when he

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Speaker 1: represented us in in Congress, he wasn't that bad, particularly

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Speaker 1: for the liberal district of Boulder that he represented. And

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Speaker 1: now that all of Colorado's like Boulder, Eh, we could

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Speaker 1: do much worse. So tell us, tell us that's why

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Speaker 1: I believe Bennett loses. We will find out does Gabe

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Speaker 1: Evans win reelection? I don't know. I think he does.

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Speaker 1: I think he can. I think there's gonna be such

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Speaker 1: disruption in the Democratic circles to go after him, that

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01:37:54,120 --> 01:38:01,600
Speaker 1: that they're gonna beat each other up. Of course, Keildera's

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Speaker 1: first political axiom that Republicans can't you know, there's nothing

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Speaker 1: that they can't up. Who knows, Maybe Gabe Evans will

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01:38:12,640 --> 01:38:15,560
Speaker 1: get beat up at a primary and that will hurt him.

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01:38:15,600 --> 01:38:21,599
Speaker 1: Maybe a Libertarian will run and take away votes. How

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Speaker 1: neither of those really happens. I'm also amazed that we

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Speaker 1: have five hundred people running on the Republican side for

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Speaker 1: governor next year. I can't even name them all. Of course,

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Speaker 1: you have Barbara Kirkmeyer and Victor Marx and Greg Oh

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Speaker 1: come on, John, Greg Lopez, You've got Baisley. You've got

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Speaker 1: all these people running. But when it comes to running

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Speaker 1: for United States Senator against Hickenlooper, they're There's only one

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Speaker 1: Republican that I'm aware of. If there's another one, let

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Speaker 1: me know, a guy named Janek. Good guy. He's going

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Speaker 1: to get killed, but a good guy. Why don't the

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Speaker 1: Republicans go after that hick seat? I don't know, is

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01:39:19,240 --> 01:39:23,760
Speaker 1: it not sexy enough? Everyone wants to be governor. I'd

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Speaker 1: like to be governor eral three seven one three eight

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Speaker 1: five eight five seven one three eighty five eighty five.

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Speaker 1: What is your prediction for Colorado politics. I'll tell you this.

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Speaker 1: There is a movement to get some ballot initiatives on.

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01:39:41,240 --> 01:39:45,880
Speaker 1: Some are already on. One that'll be interesting is one

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01:39:45,920 --> 01:39:51,839
Speaker 1: that would require Colorado law enforcement to work with ICE

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01:39:54,000 --> 01:39:59,880
Speaker 1: when it comes to immigration, so that that they have

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Speaker 1: over guys to ICE to be exported, exported, deported. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if that passes. I hope it passes. I'm

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Speaker 1: not certain. There's could be a ballid initiative that keeps

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Speaker 1: boys out of girls' sports. Should that get on, it

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01:40:21,160 --> 01:40:26,280
Speaker 1: passes in a heartbeat. There could be an initiative that

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Speaker 1: would ban surgical procedures for people under eighteen for gender reassignment.

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Speaker 1: That'll be tougher to pass. It passes, though, there's no

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Speaker 1: question in my mind it passes. Why because even progressives go, yeah,

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Speaker 1: twelve year olds shouldn't be able to decide to get tattoos,

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Speaker 1: but they should be able to decide to have their

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Speaker 1: breast removed or they have their genitals cut off. That's okay,

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Speaker 1: That doesn't work when you're eighteen, go for it. If

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Speaker 1: these things get on the ball and they've got a

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Speaker 1: long waist to go to do it, I think they pass.

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Speaker 1: Could be a fascinating, fascinating year. On the federal side,

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Speaker 1: I don't see how Trump holds onto the House. I

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Speaker 1: just don't see it. I think Republicans hold onto the Senate,

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Speaker 1: but I don't think they hold onto the House. And

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Speaker 1: there we miss the opportunity at which point the next

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Speaker 1: two years after that become not really a lame duck presidency.

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Speaker 1: But there's not a lot he can do except scare people.

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Speaker 1: And there's already talk of who's going to run for

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Speaker 1: president right now it seems that that jd vance the

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Speaker 1: odds on favorite to run from the Republicans or the

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Speaker 1: Republican side. I predict a battle between AOC and Gavin

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Speaker 1: Newsom on the left, and God help us, we need

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Speaker 1: someone saying and neither one of them are all right.

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Speaker 1: Three oh three seven one three eighty five eighty five.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for letting me spend some time with you. Check

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