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Speaker 2: I'm continuing to monitor this story out of Washington where

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Speaker 2: two members of the West Virginia National Guard were shot.

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Speaker 2: There were initial reports that they had died in the shooting,

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Speaker 2: A male and female member of the West Virginia National Guard.

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Speaker 2: They're shot. According to the Associated Press, this is a

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Speaker 2: of some sort. The suspect is who is in custody,

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Speaker 2: was also shot. Unclear as to who shot the suspect.

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Speaker 2: There are police and National Guard members throughout the Washington area.

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Speaker 2: The suspect his shot. The wounds he suffered were not

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Speaker 2: believed to be life threatening. Sounds as if he is

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Speaker 2: in better shape than the two National Guard members that

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Speaker 2: he allegedly shot. This is all on the condition of anonymity.

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Speaker 2: Two law enforcement officials and a person familiar with the

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Speaker 2: matter said the suspect was believed to be an Afghan

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Speaker 2: national who entered the US in September of twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: one and has been living in Washington State. Again, this

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Speaker 2: suspect has been identified by law enforcement officials as Romanola Lockamwall,

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Speaker 2: but authorities were still working to fully confirm his background.

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Speaker 2: They said that people could not discuss the tales of

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Speaker 2: an ongoing investigation, and spoke to the Associated Press on

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Speaker 2: sure this will be a subject that we'll be discussed

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Speaker 2: tomorrow as the situation is clarified by people at Thanksgiving dinner,

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Speaker 2: Which gives me the segue to invite all of you

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Speaker 2: and I've saved it until tonight. I know many of

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Speaker 2: Now nine years removed from the election of twenty sixteen,

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Speaker 2: Trump's first term was served. Joe Biden defeated Donald Trump

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Speaker 2: was reelected, the second US president to be reelected after

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Speaker 2: at Thanksgiving dinner because frankly, I talk about politics all

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Speaker 2: And it doesn't matter whether you like Donald Trump or

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Speaker 2: Zohan Mamdani. Politics are around us. It's as simple as that.

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Speaker 2: And I think that when you're enjoying people's companies company

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Speaker 2: that we we will indeed have a thirteenth annual night

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Speaker 2: Is there a sided politics at your Thanksgiving dinner table tomorrow?

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Speaker 2: All right, let's go back to the phones. Are gonna

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Speaker 3: Go right ahead, Hey Dan, Happy Thanksgiving everybody?

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Speaker 2: Happy Thanks given to you as well.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, great to hear you. Thanks for the great topic.

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Speaker 3: I just know that you know, Trump brought in uh,

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Speaker 3: Do you do you? Once again, Like I said, sometimes

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Speaker 3: Okay, I like the way you think.

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Speaker 2: My friend work back at you. Thank you, Matthew. Look

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Speaker 2: By the way, this story in Washington is developing. UH

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Speaker 2: I'm great? Thank you for calling in, particularly here on

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well look, I'm not saying it has to be

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Speaker 2: to do? You obviously do you know, everyone who's going

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Speaker 2: to be with you tomorrow after tomorrow during the day.

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Speaker 5: No, just my oldest sons in my wife. But I'm

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Speaker 5: going back to when there with toddlers and just like

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Speaker 5: when I was a kid with my brother.

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Speaker 2: I understand. No, you're saying that historically there's been no

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Speaker 2: conversation like that in your family, which is great. You've

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Speaker 2: enjoyed the holidays. I but I well, you know, there

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Speaker 2: have been different times. I'm sure that back in the

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Speaker 2: late sixties early seventies there was some conversation about the

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Speaker 2: Vietnam War and draft card burning and stuff like that,

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Speaker 2: and there probably was sometimes when they would talk about

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Speaker 2: you know, Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinsky or whatever. I

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Speaker 2: just think it's one of those times where people may

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Speaker 2: bring it up or they may choose not to. And

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Speaker 2: I think that it's great what you will be doing tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: You know, you're the people who will be there, and

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Speaker 2: you know it's not gonna be brought up. There will

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Speaker 2: be some people, though, who are going to Thanksgiving dinner

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Speaker 2: tomorrow and they're going to see Jaeus. What do I

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Speaker 2: do if Uncle Harry has a couple of beers and

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Speaker 2: starts talking about how he loves Donald Trump, Or what

456
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Speaker 2: do I do when Aunt Millie, you know, has her

457
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Speaker 2: Hillary Clinton button on and says we still should have

458
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Speaker 2: liked Hillary president. That's all I'm saying. I'm trying to

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to lighten it up a little bit and

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Speaker 2: give people a chance to think about what they would do.

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Speaker 6: That's but I mean maybe I just maybe, as I

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Speaker 6: got to be fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, you know, going out,

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Speaker 6: you know, we have dinner and then going out and

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Speaker 6: seeing my friends or girlfriend whoever.

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Speaker 5: But I'm just saying, if just treat its still a

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Speaker 5: doubts there, treat it this, but there's toddles there. Just

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Speaker 5: leave the politics out.

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Speaker 2: All right? Fair enough, you're the other first vote for

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Speaker 2: leave the politics out. There may be more people out

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Speaker 2: there than you realize. And you had the coverage to call.

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Speaker 2: I hope some other folks call. Whether they agree to

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Speaker 2: disagree with you, we can. We'll talk it out here

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Speaker 2: at night side. Nick, Thanks so much, Thanks so much calling.

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Speaker 3: Have a happy Thanksgiving one.

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Speaker 5: More than yeah, I miss your intro. This is the

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Speaker 5: first time I'm talking to you. I used to call

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Speaker 5: Bradley Jay in the overnight years ago, but I loved

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Speaker 5: your intro before you are what the intro was? Back

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Speaker 5: to which talk and the smartest man on radio. I

480
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Speaker 5: love the show.

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Speaker 2: Well, Nick, first time calling. We got to give you

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Speaker 2: rather Claus. This is great. Two first time callers right

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Speaker 2: in a row. Again. You seem to be a voice

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Speaker 2: of reason as well. So please come on back soon.

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Speaker 5: Okay, thank you very much.

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Speaker 2: I will and have a great Thanksgiving. Say happy Thanksgiving

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Speaker 2: everybody in your family for us. Thank you. Talk to

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Speaker 2: you SOTUD.

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Speaker 5: You're welcome.

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Speaker 2: All right, we're going to take a break. We're coming

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Speaker 2: up on ten forty five. Don't want to short change anybody.

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Speaker 2: And I'd like to see these lines getting a little

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Speaker 2: more active. On the six one, Nick presented and dipped

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Speaker 2: an interesting point of view. Both callers, Matthew and Nick

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Speaker 2: have been fabulous callers. I want to hear from you

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Speaker 2: six one seven, four ten thirty six one seven, nine

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Speaker 2: three ten thirty. I am here. This is not taped.

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Speaker 2: I should emphasize you're not listening to a replay of

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Speaker 2: Night Side. This is this is Thanksgiving Eve. I'm working. Uh,

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Speaker 2: I hope you're listening. If you're driving somewhere, join us.

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Speaker 2: Tell us where you're going to let's have a little

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Speaker 2: let's kick back, let's start Thanksgiving weekend here. I'm not

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Speaker 2: looking to engage in a huge brawl, but I'm throwing

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Speaker 2: it out as a topic and a question. If you

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00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 2: have a better idea, feel free to join the conversation.

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Speaker 2: My name is Dan Ray, and this is Nightside on

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Speaker 2: Thanksgiving Eve, twenty twenty five. And we should all be

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Speaker 2: thankful that we have Thanksgiving, and we should all be

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Speaker 2: thankful that we have people tomorrow to share it with.

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Speaker 2: And I hope all of you will be somewhere tomorrow

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Speaker 2: with friends and loved ones. That's my Thanksgiving wish for

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Speaker 2: all of you. Back on Nightside after.

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Speaker 1: This, You're on Nightside with Dan Ray on you Bzy,

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Speaker 1: Boston's news radio.

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Speaker 2: Back to the phones, were go going to go to

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Speaker 2: William in Boston. William, you're next on Nightside.

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Speaker 4: Welcome, Hello, Dan, How are you tonight?

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Speaker 2: I'm doing great, William? What's your thought on Thanksgiving tomorrow?

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00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 2: When someone tries to serve you side dish of politics?

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Speaker 2: Gonna do well?

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Speaker 4: You know, for our family, we're really not Trump supporters,

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Speaker 4: so I think, you know, if those conversations go there,

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Speaker 4: it'll be pretty much about the horror stories and the

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Speaker 4: things that have happened on his current so that there.

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Speaker 2: Would be a consensus amongst your family.

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Speaker 4: Okay, absolutely, And I mean even in America now, I

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Speaker 4: think what Trump pulled to what sixty seven percent disapproval

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Speaker 4: ratings recently within the polls, And it just seems every

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Speaker 4: day there's more shocking news that happens in this country.

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Speaker 4: And I think a lot of it really has to

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Speaker 4: do with his policies, his positions, his tweets, the messages

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Speaker 4: that he sends to America that it's it's okay to discriminate,

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Speaker 4: it's it's okay to uh, you know, not support people

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Speaker 4: that don't look like you or maybe from another country,

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Speaker 4: and particularly if the black or brown. I mean, it's

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Speaker 4: just it's scary, it really is.

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Speaker 2: Okay, give me, give me the policy that most upsets you.

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Speaker 2: It sounds to me like you're concerned learned about how

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Speaker 2: he's treating black and brown people. Do you feel that

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Speaker 2: he's making a mistake trying to get people out of

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Speaker 2: the country who are actual who are here illegally and

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Speaker 2: are criminals or do you support him on that, but

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Speaker 2: you feel that the net that he has cast is

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Speaker 2: too wide.

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Speaker 4: I agree with the criminalis they should be gone, but

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Speaker 4: I do think that the net is too wide. And

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Speaker 4: I think these ice rays across the country were there

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Speaker 4: just going in and sweeping up people and you know,

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Speaker 4: taking them out of places where they work or whether

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Speaker 4: the landscape is or hospitals or restaurants. It's it's not good.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so something So let me just make sure I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: If someone's here illegally, uh, and these they he or

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Speaker 2: she has been identified as being here illegally, but they're working.

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Speaker 2: They're working as an orderly at a hospital, they're working

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Speaker 2: as a mechanic in a garage. Uh. They they should

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Speaker 2: not be deported, is what I'm hearing you say.

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Speaker 4: I don't what I'm what I'm here. What my position is,

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Speaker 4: I don't particularly care for the tactics in the strategies

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Speaker 4: of bringing ice into these cities, of them going around

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Speaker 4: and just grabbing people indiscriminately and then seeing whether they

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Speaker 4: are sistance or not.

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Speaker 2: I find that to be So what could he Okay,

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Speaker 2: if you were his advisor and he said to you, look,

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Speaker 2: I want you to give you some advice. What should

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Speaker 2: I do to get people out he's closed the border,

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Speaker 2: so the floor of people coming in the country certainly

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Speaker 2: has slowed, if not stopped. What should he do that

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Speaker 2: would one accommodate your desire to see bad people who

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Speaker 2: are here illegally gone. And how can he do it

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Speaker 2: other than the way he's doing it, in your opinion.

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Speaker 4: The better way I think he could provide, let's say,

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Speaker 4: amnesty and have conversations with people that are here illegally,

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Speaker 4: that are working, that are paying taxes, that are doing

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Speaker 4: the right thing, and look at some kind of strategy

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Speaker 4: of program or tactics that will allow them to stay

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Speaker 4: and work into become citizens in this country. I mean,

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Speaker 4: who doesn't want to go to come to America. It

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Speaker 4: is the greatest country in the world, without a doubt,

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Speaker 4: and I think people are coming here and look for opportunities. Now,

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Speaker 4: are we saying that all immigrants are allegal aliens of

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Speaker 4: bad No. A lot of them are hard working and

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Speaker 4: they just want to do the best that they can

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Speaker 4: for their families, and you know, I think they want

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Speaker 4: to send money home. But I do think it's a

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Speaker 4: political tactic that has been fruitful for Trump. I mean

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Speaker 4: I think that he is he has really well.

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Speaker 2: It got be that fruitful if his numbers are that bad.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, again, you're telling me sixty seven

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Speaker 2: percent of the people, what else has he done well?

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Speaker 4: Time out? That's because he's elected now. But I think

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Speaker 4: those the messages that he was saying to get him

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Speaker 4: elected and worked them in the election. He struck a

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Speaker 4: raw nerve in this country.

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Speaker 2: Gott he got a little over fifty percent. It wasn't

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Speaker 2: a it wasn't a mandate. Let me ask you this.

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Speaker 2: They're hitting the drug boats coming out of Venezuela. What

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Speaker 2: do you think about that?

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Speaker 4: You know, I got to tell you well that I'm okay.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you guy, that's okay.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I got to think about it. I mean,

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Speaker 4: you know, there's no due processes. It is pretty judgmental. However,

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Speaker 4: these people are doing illegal things, and they are in

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Speaker 4: international waters and they're bringing still have the resources, and

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Speaker 4: they're bringing drugs in. And I would trust the you know,

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Speaker 4: the FBI or whatever agencies monitor those things. I don't

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Speaker 4: think that they do it indiscriminately. They just don't blow

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Speaker 4: anybody's boat out of the water. I think they probably

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Speaker 4: have uh information and intel the.

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Speaker 2: Tells, you know. I'm with you that you and I

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Speaker 2: together on that William great call. You got to call

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Speaker 2: more off are your first time caller?

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Speaker 4: Actually it's my my second time. But but I will

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Speaker 4: say what I want to before closing, is I do

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Speaker 4: think that Tansis are really high in this country now

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Speaker 4: because the consequences of his statements, his positions, and a

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Speaker 4: lot of the tweets and the kind of acts that

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Speaker 4: he's stirred up in his country. I mean the other

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Speaker 4: day is that did you see that guy in California

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Speaker 4: just shot at that Mexican guy over we don't know what,

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Speaker 4: and and and people push them back and shototte. They're

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Speaker 4: out blowing whistles anytime I shows up, So it's really tense.

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Speaker 4: So to your point, if if I had a scenario

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Speaker 4: where someone came to my house and it was a

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Speaker 4: pro Trump support, I would deflect. I think similar to

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Speaker 4: what the other person said, I think, you know, that

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Speaker 4: whole issue around aliens and the Atlas one that's coming

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Speaker 4: towards the Earth is an interesting topic, yes, because you

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Speaker 4: really can't you can't reason with zealous. I found that

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Speaker 4: people that love Trump love Trump, and there's just no

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Speaker 4: middle ground with them.

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Speaker 2: There's not I think there are very few people who

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Speaker 2: are in bivalent. Let me put it like that, William,

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Speaker 2: I got to run one more in. Thank you much,

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Speaker 2: my friend. I hope you come get it more often. Okay,

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Speaker 2: thank you for the call.

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Speaker 4: Yep, have a great one.

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Speaker 2: Let me go to Dave in New Hampshire, Davia next

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Speaker 2: on NIGHTSID Welcome, Hey.

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Speaker 7: Dan, Is it okay to talk about the thing you

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Speaker 7: were talking about with the National Guard shooting?

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Speaker 2: Sure?

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Speaker 7: Okay, I was going to talk about Thanksgiving? But then

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Speaker 7: so yeah, back in you read Reason magazine very much.

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Speaker 2: I'm familiar with that. Can I tell you I read

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Speaker 2: it every month? But you know, I'm certainly familiar with it.

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Speaker 7: Back back in nineteen eighty five, there was an article

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Speaker 7: there that changed my life to some extent. And it

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Speaker 7: was the rationality of their argument. They were saying, okay,

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Speaker 7: they were talking about terrorism in Ireland. They were saying,

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Speaker 7: you know what, this guy who's been charged, he's actually

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Speaker 7: they say he's not a terrorist, be because he didn't

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Speaker 7: try to harm bystanders or civilians or something like that.

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Speaker 7: It was Bobby SAMs and he was charged with killing

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Speaker 7: a British police officer. I believe are a rough police

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Speaker 7: officer in Northern Ireland. That kind of a killing. When

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Speaker 7: you when you kill government people, that's an act of war,

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Speaker 7: but it's not terrorism.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you I'm going to disagree with you

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Speaker 2: and understand that if someone comes here, uh and for

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Speaker 2: some reason, and again I don't, they're reporting this guy

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Speaker 2: as from Afghanistan. Okay. My suspicion is that if that,

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Speaker 2: we're not going to find that this guy worked with

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Speaker 2: US troops in Afghanistan. Somehow he got here. Let's find

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Speaker 2: the facts, okay, which facts are stubborn things. Let's find

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Speaker 2: out why he came here. If he just decided that

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Speaker 2: he was going to kill a couple of National guardsmen

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Speaker 2: from Virginia who are simply doing what they have been

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Speaker 2: told to do, and that is to to patrol the

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Speaker 2: streets of Washington and has come all the way from

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Speaker 2: Washington State, which is what's being reported, I would consider that,

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Speaker 2: unless I could be proven, unless someone could prove me

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Speaker 2: to the contrary, that's a pretty terrorist act. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I don't care if the guy, maybe we'll find out

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Speaker 2: he was just a nut job, you know. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I don't buy the idea that if you want to

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Speaker 2: take a shot at a police officer because you don't

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Speaker 2: like police, or you don't like firefighters, or you don't

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Speaker 2: like people in uniform and you don't like National guardsmen

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Speaker 2: or you don't like US military's. That's pure terrorist, and

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Speaker 2: particularly when you're doing it within blocks of the White House.

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Speaker 7: What we can agree about is that it's a horrific

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Speaker 7: thing that should never be done. You never go kinetic

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Speaker 7: against your own government. There's always better ways to fight them.

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Speaker 7: They are more effective.

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Speaker 2: It's called elections.

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Speaker 7: Well, not necessarily, but it's you know, strikes are actually

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Speaker 7: considered to be the most effective way of bringing down

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Speaker 7: a government.

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Speaker 2: Well again, I don't think we've brought down a government

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Speaker 2: in the country since seventeen eighty seven, and I don't

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Speaker 2: think we're going to bring down a government within this country.

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Speaker 2: We've brought down presidencies and I can and I can

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Speaker 2: name several of them because of elections. Okay, in recent

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Speaker 2: within my lifetime, Joe Biden was turned out of office

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Speaker 2: because of his performance of the dates the debate stage,

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Speaker 2: and people lost total confidence in his ability to be president.

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump lost in twenty twenty because of some of

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Speaker 2: the comments that he made. Hillary Clinton lost because she

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Speaker 2: was very unlikable. Dave them up on my break. Thanks

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Speaker 2: so much for your call. Enjoy the conversation. Keep calling

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Speaker 2: the show. Thank you much, Happy Thanksgving, good night. We'll

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Speaker 2: take a break, coming right back only one line six seven, two, five, four,

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Speaker 2: ten thirty