1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:03,080 Speaker 1: Michael and Dragon, you better brace yourself for all the 2 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 1: talk back and text you're going to get after the 3 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:11,119 Speaker 1: programming is posted today. People are going to be so confused. 4 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 1: Despite yesterday's program explaining that we're reversing back to the 5 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 1: original posting of them, this just gets really confusing. 6 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:23,799 Speaker 2: They're going to be even more confused when I posted 7 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 2: hour three, hour one than hour two. 8 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:28,320 Speaker 3: It's going to be just every day, just randomly just 9 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 3: post you know whatever. 10 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 2: In fact, you might even go back and just rearrange 11 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:37,240 Speaker 2: days just just because, particularly if I'm carrying topic over 12 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:39,879 Speaker 2: from the bottom of an email the end of an 13 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:42,519 Speaker 2: hour to or into the next hour, do that so. 14 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 3: You know, they hear the end at the beginning, the beginning, 15 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:45,480 Speaker 3: at the end, and. 16 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:47,479 Speaker 2: You know what, I actually think I'm going to do that? 17 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:50,559 Speaker 2: No do not, I really I know you want to. 18 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 2: I know you want to. No no, no, no, don't 19 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 2: just tr us I know you want to. I do 20 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:06,480 Speaker 2: fully understand that. And there's some of the goobers out 21 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 2: there that would absolutely love that too. Yes, but then 22 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 2: we got to remember the bottom line, we're as much 23 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:20,959 Speaker 2: fun as well. We can't admit that on there, but 24 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 2: as much fun as we have. We're still we're still 25 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:25,760 Speaker 2: working and. 26 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 4: We still get paid well, but we get paid right. 27 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 2: We're still trying to produce a air quote quality product. Okay, 28 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 2: you asked for it. Here we go. I have gone 29 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:43,199 Speaker 2: through as much as I can, as quickly as I can. 30 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 2: It's a six to three decision. The Supreme Court struck 31 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 2: down all of President Trump's i EPA based tariffs. That 32 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 2: means the twenty five percent tariffs on Canada and Mexico, 33 00:01:57,320 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 2: the ten to twenty percent tariffs on China for drug trafficking, 34 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 2: and the sweeping reciprocal tariffs, some of which win as 35 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 2: high as one hundred and forty five percent on some 36 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 2: Chinese goods are gone. Every penny of APA tariff authority 37 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 2: that the President claimed under emergency powers is now constitutionally 38 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 2: null and void. The core holding is one sentence. The 39 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 2: International Emergency Economic Powers Act does not give the President 40 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:31,080 Speaker 2: the power to impose tariffs full stop. 41 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:31,800 Speaker 3: That's just it. 42 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 2: But the vote six to three outlines a coalition among 43 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 2: the justices that I find bizarre, And the justices who 44 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 2: agreed on the result disagree very sharply on why, which 45 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 2: matters enormously for what is going to come next, if anything, 46 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 2: in full by Chief Justice, the Chief Justice John Roberts 47 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:08,639 Speaker 2: with the opinion. He was joined in full by Gorsecham Barrett. 48 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 2: He was joined on the core statutory analysis by Sodomayor, 49 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 2: Kagan and Jackson. Now Roberts opens by reaching back to 50 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:24,240 Speaker 2: what lawyers refer to as first principles, and honestly he 51 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 2: does it pretty beautifully. Article one, Section eight of the 52 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 2: Constitution gives Congress and Congress alone the power to quote 53 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 2: lay and collect taxes, duties in imposts and excises end quote. 54 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 3: It's not an accident. 55 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 2: The Chief Justice notes that this power appears first in 56 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 2: Congress's list of powers. Alexander Hamilton called it quote the 57 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 2: most important of the authorities in this new constitution that 58 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 2: they were adopting. So the framer's fresh off a revolution 59 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 2: that was fought over taxation without representation, gave Congress alone 60 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 2: access to the pockets of the people. Now, the President conceded, 61 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:15,119 Speaker 2: as he really honestly had to do, that he has 62 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 2: no inherent peacetime tariff authority and he's not claiming war 63 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:24,599 Speaker 2: powers here after all, even as the Chief Justice really 64 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:28,039 Speaker 2: dryly notes, the United States is not at war with 65 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 2: every nation in the world. So the entire defense ended 66 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 2: up resting on one statute, and that is AEPA. Here's 67 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 2: the language that you need to hear and understand that 68 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 2: comes out of AEPA. When the President declares a national 69 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 2: emergency to deal with a quote unusual and extraordinary threat, 70 00:04:54,440 --> 00:05:04,039 Speaker 2: then the President may investigate, block, regulate, direct, and compel, nullify, void, prevent, 71 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 2: or prohibit importation or exportation. Got it, you did not 72 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 2: hear me use the word tariff. He may investigate, block, regulate, direct, 73 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 2: and compel, nullify, void, prevent or prohibit the importation or exportation. Now, 74 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:26,919 Speaker 2: the government argued that to regulate importation gave them the 75 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 2: authority to impose tariffs, to which the Chief Justice says no, 76 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:37,159 Speaker 2: and he had several reasons. I want to skim through 77 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:40,040 Speaker 2: the several reasons before I get into the coalition between 78 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 2: the justices. The first is what we call the Major 79 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 2: Question doctrine. When Congress wants to delegate an extraordinary power, 80 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 2: particularly one of Congress's own core constitutional powers, it has 81 00:05:55,760 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 2: to do that in explicit and clear turns. Now, Congress 82 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:04,360 Speaker 2: has used I mean, I'm sorry, the courts. The courts 83 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 2: have used that doctrine to reject claims that vague statutory 84 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:11,839 Speaker 2: language gave agencies the power to you know, mandate vaccines 85 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:15,360 Speaker 2: on eighty four million Americans, or force the nationwide transition 86 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 2: away from coal, or to cancel four hundred and thirty 87 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 2: billion dollars in student loan debt. Here, the Chief Justice says, 88 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 2: the stakes dwarf all those prior cases combined. 89 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:29,280 Speaker 3: The government itself. 90 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 2: They were boasting that tariffs would reduce the national deficit 91 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:36,679 Speaker 2: by four trillion dollars and with unlocked fifteen trillion dollars 92 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 2: in trade agreements. So if there ever was this is 93 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:43,920 Speaker 2: such a big time policy call, Congress would not have. 94 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 3: Secretly hidden that in vague language. This is it. 95 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 2: That's it, So major questions doctrine. The second is the 96 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 2: Plaine statutory text. The word regulate does not mean tax. 97 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:03,839 Speaker 2: And the Chief Justice notes that Congress has delegated tariff 98 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:08,280 Speaker 2: authority dozens of times in American history, and every single 99 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 2: time that had delegated a tariff to the President, it 100 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 2: did so by using the words duty or tariff. And 101 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 2: they put caps on the amount fifty percent here or 102 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 2: fifteen percent there, It doesn't mean any difference. They also 103 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 2: put time limits, and they certain they put in certain 104 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 2: procedural requirements. The IEPA statute doesn't do any of that. 105 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 2: No mention of duties, no caps, no time limit, no 106 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 2: procedural prerequisites. And in the fifty year history of AIPA, 107 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 2: no president, not not one single one, had ever read 108 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 2: it to authorize tariffs. That kind of historical silence to 109 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 2: me and obviously to the Chief Justice is in his 110 00:07:56,480 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 2: words telling, So you've got the major questions doctrine, you 111 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 2: get the plane statutory text, and then you have this 112 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 2: constitutional landmine. I would describe it this way. AIPA gives 113 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 2: the power to regulate importation or exportation, but the Constitution 114 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 2: expressly forbids taxing exports. Article one, Section nine, clause five. 115 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 2: If you want to look it up, if regulate importation, 116 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:36,320 Speaker 2: the power to tax imports, then regulate exportation the power 117 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:41,559 Speaker 2: to tax exports would make half of that statute unconstitutional. 118 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 3: Just trust me on this. 119 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:49,440 Speaker 2: Courts avoid reading statutes that way if it's going to 120 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 2: blow up the entirety of the statute. So the bottom 121 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 2: line from the Chief Justice was basically, AIPA does not 122 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 2: authorize the president to impose tariffs. So the federal Circuit 123 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 2: decision that's struck down. The tariffs is affirmed. Here's where 124 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 2: I think the case gets at least I want to 125 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 2: try to make this interesting to you too, because it 126 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 2: were eventually going to get to the question of so 127 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 2: what's next, and there are so many what next questions? Well, 128 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 2: let me just tell you briefly about how this decision 129 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 2: was put together. So the Chief Justice wrote the decision. Now, 130 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 2: Justice Gorsuch concurred in the decision, and Justice Barrett joined 131 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 2: in Gorsuch decision in full but right separately to defend 132 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 2: the Major Questions doctrine. I don't know the exact number, 133 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 2: but I counted probably sixty pages of Justice gor Such 134 00:09:56,400 --> 00:10:03,600 Speaker 2: decision concurring with the Chief Justice opinion. That's amazing. But 135 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 2: here was something in dor such that I absolutely love. 136 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 2: He tortures the liberal justices Kagan, Soldo, Mayor, and Jackson 137 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 2: spent years. Not Jackson, she hasn't been on that long, 138 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 2: but Higgins and Soda, Mayor has spent years dissenting in 139 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 2: cases where the Court used the Major Question doctrine to 140 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 2: limit executive agency power, arguing that broad statutory language should 141 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 2: be read broadly when agencies want to regulate the economy. 142 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 2: They called the Major Question doctrine a magical novelty that 143 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:50,959 Speaker 2: appeared out of thin air. Interestingly, now that they've been 144 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 2: confronted with the broad language in this statute that was 145 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:58,560 Speaker 2: used by Trump, they suddenly discovered that context and structure 146 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 2: limits matter. So Gorsuch methodically runs through every prior case, 147 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 2: the Osha vaccine, mandates the ep coal regulations, student loan cancelation, 148 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:14,680 Speaker 2: and shows how those liberal justices argued for expansion of 149 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 2: executive power every single time. His conclusion is scathing. He writes, 150 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:28,959 Speaker 2: if my colleagues all but apply the Major Question doctrine today, 151 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 2: maybe they are simply recognizing what they have another separation 152 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 2: of power cases. Or maybe my colleagues believe the power 153 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 2: to the power the president asserts here outstripped even those 154 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:42,320 Speaker 2: powers that executive officials assert it in our past Major 155 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 2: question cases. But whatever the case, my concurring colleagues course 156 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:51,080 Speaker 2: today suggests that skeptics ohe the Major Questions doctrine the 157 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:54,839 Speaker 2: second look, he just deviscerates them in that sentence because 158 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 2: he's been saying, you've used it all the time, and 159 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:01,839 Speaker 2: now that it's here and it's actually you know, based 160 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 2: on the Major Questions doctrine. Now you suddenly don't want 161 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:10,440 Speaker 2: to use it, And he goes on in parts that 162 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 2: are probably not important to you, but he shows the 163 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 2: principle that extraordinary power requires explicit authorization, and that goes 164 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 2: all the way back to English common law, American corporate law, 165 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:25,960 Speaker 2: agency law, the very first railroad commissions. So the Major 166 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:29,720 Speaker 2: Question doctrine isn't some invention. It's a retort. It's a 167 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 2: return to a form after a decade long detour under 168 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 2: the Chevron difference, which they earlier overruled. And suddenly the 169 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:47,439 Speaker 2: liberals in the court are putting themselves in pretzels simply 170 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:50,719 Speaker 2: because what they wanted to do. Now I happen to 171 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:55,479 Speaker 2: agree with Robert's decision. Generally, I don't think the IPA 172 00:12:55,960 --> 00:13:00,200 Speaker 2: gave the president explicit authority to impose the terraff. Now, 173 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 2: let me make sure you understand something. There are plenty 174 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:08,439 Speaker 2: of other statutes which gave the president and gives still 175 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:12,679 Speaker 2: gives today the president authority to impose tariffs. Congress has 176 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:17,280 Speaker 2: explicitly done that in the Major Question doctrine concepts they have. 177 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 2: Congress has said, hey, in these circumstances, you can impose 178 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 2: tariffs in these circumstances, you can impost tariffs in these circumstances, 179 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 2: you can impose tariffs till that exists, and he has 180 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:30,040 Speaker 2: a lot of other choices. It befuddles me why they 181 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 2: chose IEPA to do this. And in fact, if you remember, 182 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:40,560 Speaker 2: in the oral arguments at one the Solicitor General who 183 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:43,960 Speaker 2: argues the case on behalf of the government, had barely 184 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 2: started the oral arguments where Roberts intervenes interrupts him, which 185 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 2: is perfectly right. That happens all the time. It says, 186 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 2: aren't you talking about attacks? And unfortunately the Solicitor General 187 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 2: knew he had been caught right there because the tariff 188 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 2: is a tax, and so he had to answer, yes, 189 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:10,160 Speaker 2: it is. Well, that's set right there. Anybody was paying 190 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 2: any attention new that some decision five to four, sixty three, 191 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 2: seven to two, whatever's going to be maybe unanimous, that 192 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 2: they were going to read IEPA because AIPA does not 193 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 2: talk about tariffs, it does not talk about taxes. So 194 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 2: under the Major Questions doctrine, Congress never gave in that 195 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 2: particular statute the authority of the president to impose a tariff, 196 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 2: and they got caught red handed right. 197 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 3: Off the bat. 198 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 2: And then you've got you got Justice Barrett concurring, you 199 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 2: got Justice Kagan concurring in part, you got Justice Jackson 200 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 2: concurring in part. And then you finally get to the descents, 201 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 2: and you got Cavanaugh and Thomas dissenting. Now Cavanaugh joined 202 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 2: by Olita A. Thomas Alito would have upheld the tariffs. Now, 203 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 2: he's not some wild eyed dissenter here. He accepts the framework, 204 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 2: He accepts the major Questions doctrine. He even accepts the 205 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 2: standard that Roberts applies. He just thinks the government met 206 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 2: the standard. His arguments pretty simple. Regulate importation has historically 207 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 2: included the power to impose a tariff. And he goes 208 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 2: back to nineteen seventy one when Nixon imposed a ten 209 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 2: percent import surcharge and was defended in lower courts using 210 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 2: the exact same language in the current IEPIS Statute, and 211 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 2: the Court of Customs and Appeals upheld it. When Congress 212 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 2: drafted IOPA back in nineteen seventy seven, they knew about 213 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:46,560 Speaker 2: Nixon tariffs, and if they didn't want to regulate importation 214 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 2: to include tariffs, they would have said so. And I 215 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 2: think that's a very valid argument. I just fall on 216 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 2: the side that they didn't include it. But this is 217 00:15:57,440 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 2: a major question because the power to tax is the 218 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 2: very first power of Congress, and in the IEPA Statute 219 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 2: it talks about regulating imports and exports, but it does 220 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 2: not talk about taxing exports or imports, which you would 221 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 2: do through tariffs. So while I understand Kevanaugh's argument completely, 222 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 2: I just think it happens to be off. 223 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 3: Thomas. He takes the longest view of any justice. 224 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:32,360 Speaker 2: His argument is that the non delegation doctrine, the rule 225 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 2: against Congress handing off its power to the president, only 226 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 2: applies to Congress's core legislative power, which is the power 227 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 2: to make rules that deprive people of life, liberty, or property. 228 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 2: And Thomas's argument is that tariffs on imports don't do that. 229 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 2: He says, and he's right about this. Importing is a privilege, 230 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 2: it's not a right, and therefore Congress can delegate tariff's 231 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 2: power to the president has complete as it wants, with 232 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 2: no constitutional limit, and do it forever if it wants 233 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 2: to do that. That's the most radical position in the case. 234 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:11,160 Speaker 2: And even Gore such responds that if Thomas is right. 235 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:16,360 Speaker 2: Congress could also hand over war powers, borrowing authorities, spending 236 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:20,200 Speaker 2: authority because none of those directly direct deprived of person 237 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:23,159 Speaker 2: of life, liberty, or property. Thomas has an answer for 238 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:26,679 Speaker 2: that too, but it's a minority position even in descent. 239 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:31,600 Speaker 2: Rarely do I disagree with Thomas, but in this case 240 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:32,400 Speaker 2: I do. 241 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:36,160 Speaker 1: Since when I'm talking about politics today, can we talk 242 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:39,400 Speaker 1: about Sunday National Margarite today? 243 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 3: Now? 244 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:46,399 Speaker 5: I believe Michael Brown has perfected the margarita recipe? Do 245 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 5: you mind sharing that with the class. 246 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 2: Michael Brown, You need a really good repisodo tequila. Just 247 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:59,680 Speaker 2: find the smoothest that you can, your choice of either 248 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:04,479 Speaker 2: tro or triple seck, either one lime juice over rocks. 249 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 2: That's it, salted rimmed, Fine, that's it. You don't none 250 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:12,879 Speaker 2: of this is gave syrup. None, None of this uh mix, 251 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:17,760 Speaker 2: none of that. That's not a margarita. Margarita is simple, 252 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 2: plain and actually bartenders I found that. Yeah, it depends 253 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:27,920 Speaker 2: on the on the restaurant. Most bartenders will be statty. 254 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 2: Here you request that there are some who go huh 255 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:36,240 Speaker 2: when we get the house margarita. Yes, the house margarita 256 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 2: has a ton of mix. And sugar and a bunch 257 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:41,160 Speaker 2: of other crap in. And it's too sweet. Now, trust 258 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 2: me what you're gonna taste. That's why I say quantro 259 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:45,480 Speaker 2: or triple seck. But you want a little sour, you 260 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 2: want a little sweet, a little sweet, triple seck, little sour. 261 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:53,920 Speaker 2: Maybe quantroll, but if you went a really good one, 262 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 2: equal parts tequila and quantroll or maybe two thirds one third, 263 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 2: but I and lime juice. 264 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:02,639 Speaker 3: It's a taste. 265 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:06,920 Speaker 2: Oh man, I'm fasting because I have a blood draw 266 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:10,919 Speaker 2: right after the program, you know, for doctor Grossman. And 267 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:14,159 Speaker 2: now I'm thinking, do you think that margarita would affect 268 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:15,880 Speaker 2: my blood draw if I just did it right now? 269 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:16,879 Speaker 3: I don't think so. 270 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:19,320 Speaker 4: I don't think so. Maybe just maybe just a little, 271 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:20,119 Speaker 4: I don't know. 272 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 5: I don't know. 273 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:23,120 Speaker 2: And by the way, tequila is if you're if you're 274 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:27,679 Speaker 2: looking to control blood sugar, tequila is very good for 275 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:30,879 Speaker 2: your glycemic index because it doesn't spike it. Yes, you 276 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 2: can sit tequila all day long. It's which we've been 277 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:37,199 Speaker 2: thrown to do. Back now, let me just give you 278 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:41,760 Speaker 2: a warning. Trump's supposed to speak. Let's see what do 279 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 2: they Let me go back here at twelve forty five Eastern. 280 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 2: That would be ten for that's about ten minutes from now. 281 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:53,879 Speaker 2: Dragon's going to drop into it. And if he comes 282 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 2: out and speaks on time, which if he speaks on 283 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:02,400 Speaker 2: time and it's a about tariffs, will take a few 284 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:05,639 Speaker 2: minutes of it until he starts a drone on. 285 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 3: This is the best ever. This is the worst thing 286 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:11,280 Speaker 3: ever in the history of mankind. It's all that. I'm 287 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:12,240 Speaker 3: not going to listen to it. 288 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 2: But if you're don if you're don't directly address or 289 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:17,480 Speaker 2: attack this Supreme Court, then of course you want to 290 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 2: hear that worst thing to democracy ever. I'm sure worst 291 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:23,399 Speaker 2: thing to democracy. It's like you know, and uh and 292 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:25,920 Speaker 2: I and I would just warn all those countries, ar 293 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 2: I've impose those tariffs that because there are some trade 294 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:32,680 Speaker 2: associations and others that have already written letters to the 295 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 2: White House and the Treasury Department where's my refund? I 296 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:40,359 Speaker 2: want my refund back. So this truly is a cluster. 297 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 2: And this gets us to what I think is the 298 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:48,320 Speaker 2: politically delicious irony here. The three liberal justices Kagan, sould 299 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:52,440 Speaker 2: of my Orange Jackson, they have spent years arguing that 300 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:57,159 Speaker 2: the executive branch should have maximum flexibility to regulate the 301 00:20:57,240 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 2: national economy through broad delegated as authority. They just voted 302 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 2: to strip the president, this president, of that very authority. 303 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 2: Now they're going to insist they reached this result on 304 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:14,440 Speaker 2: pure statutory grounds without using the major question doctrine. 305 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:16,480 Speaker 3: And they're probably technically correct. 306 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:22,399 Speaker 2: But as Gore such brilliantly demonstrated, the reasoning they deployed 307 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:26,320 Speaker 2: looks exactly like the major question doctrine. They just put 308 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:31,399 Speaker 2: a different label on that stupid jar. Meanwhile, the three descenders, Kavanil, Thomas, 309 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 2: and Ledo, they're the justices most associated with executive power, skepticism, 310 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:42,960 Speaker 2: and with originalism. Yet here they are defending the president's 311 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:50,159 Speaker 2: emergency tariff authority. As we all know, politics what yes, 312 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:56,040 Speaker 2: strange bedfellows. Now, for Trump, this is a genuine political blow. 313 00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 2: But it's not fatal at all. Don't let him tell 314 00:21:59,080 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 2: you it's fatal. 315 00:21:59,640 --> 00:21:59,919 Speaker 3: It's not. 316 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 2: The tariff policy was central to its economic agenda. But 317 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:07,440 Speaker 2: now what he needs to do? And I love this 318 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:12,119 Speaker 2: because if Trump understands the long game, here's what he 319 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:17,120 Speaker 2: needs to do. He needs Congress controlled by Republicans, House 320 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:22,160 Speaker 2: and Senate to deliver. This is an opportunity, a legislative 321 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 2: mandate for tariffs is on far stronger constitutional footing than 322 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:32,959 Speaker 2: any sort of executive emergency declaration, and passing that legislation 323 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:37,640 Speaker 2: is going to require the Republican caucus to come together, 324 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:45,239 Speaker 2: develop a consensus deal with the Senate filibuster rules, and 325 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:50,800 Speaker 2: requires members of Congress to personally own the economic consequences 326 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:55,360 Speaker 2: of whatever rates they set. As much as I bitched 327 00:22:55,359 --> 00:23:00,600 Speaker 2: known about Congress doing nothing, here they can step up 328 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:04,840 Speaker 2: and actually show that they can do something. And one 329 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:10,200 Speaker 2: more thing worth noting, this case was brought by small businesses, 330 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:15,679 Speaker 2: Learning Resources, Inc. And Vos Selections, not by the foreign governments, 331 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:20,240 Speaker 2: not by Democrat states. The plainists are truly the very 332 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:25,639 Speaker 2: constituency that Republicans typically champion. The businesses paying these tariffs 333 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:29,359 Speaker 2: have been the unnamed victims of tariffs, and today the 334 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 2: Supreme Court game a voice. The Supreme Court just told 335 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:36,399 Speaker 2: a president with a sixty three majority that the power 336 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:39,520 Speaker 2: to set tariff policy belongs to Congress, always has, always will, 337 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:43,240 Speaker 2: and no emergency declaration changes that. The Framers gave Congress 338 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 2: alone access to the pockets of the people. And two 339 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:50,560 Speaker 2: words hidden in a nineteen seventy seven emergency power statute. 340 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:54,360 Speaker 2: Don't change two hundred and thirty years of constitutional structure. 341 00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 2: If this president or any president wants a tariff, he 342 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:01,480 Speaker 2: needs to go to Congress and get it the old 343 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 2: fashioned way, or use another statute which authorizes tariffs. May 344 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 2: not be enough for him, but if he wants these 345 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:16,920 Speaker 2: particular tariffs to stay in place, particularly what let's take 346 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 2: the I think one hundred and twenty five percent on 347 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 2: Chinese goods because of all their manufacturing pre precursors defentanyl. 348 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:30,720 Speaker 2: That's a very good, legitimate tariff that I think is 349 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:35,400 Speaker 2: another eighty twenty issue. Hey, listen, China is poisoning this country, 350 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:39,760 Speaker 2: poisoning our own people by sending these precursors to fentanyl 351 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:43,479 Speaker 2: to Mexico where that gets manufactured by the cartels and 352 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:49,240 Speaker 2: then sneaked into this country. Let's punish China for That's 353 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:51,159 Speaker 2: that ought to be an eighty That ought to be 354 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,920 Speaker 2: a ninety ten issue. I say ninety ten because ten 355 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,800 Speaker 2: percent of the Marxist that, well, maybe maybe it's more 356 00:24:56,840 --> 00:25:00,920 Speaker 2: than that in the Democrat Party don't want to do that. 357 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 2: They don't care about that. They would rather have NGO's 358 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:09,119 Speaker 2: developing programs to treat the addiction as opposed to cutting 359 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:12,240 Speaker 2: off the flow of the problem that's creating the addiction. 360 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:17,040 Speaker 2: So make it one of those eighty twenty ninety ten 361 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 2: issues for Congress on these particular tariffs, and say do it, 362 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 2: or this is the lawyer speaking now, or take it 363 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:32,360 Speaker 2: in the other direction and say, okay, well, I'm gonna 364 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:34,639 Speaker 2: use these other statutes, and I'm going to use the 365 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 2: other statutes, and I'm going to start imposing the terrafts 366 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,360 Speaker 2: based on these other statutes. And now where are we. 367 00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 2: We're back to square wore in terms of litigation, and 368 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 2: somebody somewhere will go get an injunction, probably in the 369 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:48,600 Speaker 2: DC District Court, they'll go to the DC Appellate Court, 370 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 2: and it'll finally get back to the US Supreme Court 371 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:56,720 Speaker 2: once again. But the other practical consideration is for these 372 00:25:56,760 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 2: small businesses who are now already saying, to the white hells, 373 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:04,160 Speaker 2: where's our refund? I don't know hell the hell they're 374 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,440 Speaker 2: going to do refunds. 375 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:14,000 Speaker 5: I disagree on your margarita mix, sir, However, I do 376 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:16,920 Speaker 5: agree with the lime juice. I think I might skip 377 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 5: a quant row or a triple sec that's for somebody 378 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:26,280 Speaker 5: else's taste. However, I would say, switch out the repisodo 379 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:31,360 Speaker 5: throwing some mescal. Get that smoky taste. Good stuff. 380 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:37,960 Speaker 3: I don't disagree with that whatsoever. But are you saying 381 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:38,840 Speaker 3: that you would. 382 00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:43,720 Speaker 2: Put mix in, you would put mix in mescal or 383 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:46,600 Speaker 2: a Gollvey syrup. That kind of defeats the whole purpose. 384 00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:52,800 Speaker 2: So I'm not so so come back, wait, don't go away. 385 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:54,440 Speaker 2: I mean I need to know what you mean by that, 386 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 2: because and somebody else, what about a Naho? I like 387 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 2: repastota because like mescal, it's it's older, aged longer. It 388 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 2: does have a smoother, uh somewhat smoky er flavor to it, 389 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 2: but it's probably overkilled for a lot of people because 390 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:14,120 Speaker 2: the bar is going to If you ask in any 391 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:19,920 Speaker 2: typical bar for a reprisodo tequila, they thinking they're thinking 392 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 2: to themselves, ching ching ching ching, and they're gonna charge 393 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,920 Speaker 2: you out the wazoo for it. So a blanco or 394 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,800 Speaker 2: in naho would be fine. But if you just want 395 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:33,040 Speaker 2: the classic repisodo or mescal. I don't have a problem 396 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:37,560 Speaker 2: whatsoever with mescal, and there are some very good mescals 397 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:41,520 Speaker 2: out there, but I'm really curious if you can three 398 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 2: three one zero three tell us. It was you, Micha 399 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,480 Speaker 2: or Michael and tell us. Were you still going to 400 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 2: put mix or a gollfy syrup in it? Oh? Man, 401 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,199 Speaker 2: you're running it. You're running it. I don't care if 402 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,000 Speaker 2: you don't want the quantra on the triple sect. But 403 00:27:56,080 --> 00:28:00,119 Speaker 2: if you're doing otherwise, you're just If what you're doing 404 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:06,400 Speaker 2: is tequila whatever age you want and lime juice, you're 405 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:09,320 Speaker 2: not having a margarita. You're just sipping tequila with lime 406 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:12,760 Speaker 2: juice in. That's all you're doing. That's not the definition 407 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:17,400 Speaker 2: of a margarita. But so the breakdown, by the way, 408 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:23,040 Speaker 2: it's ten fifty one. Trump was scheduled at ten forty five, 409 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,960 Speaker 2: actually twelve forty five Eastern time, and so it's twelve 410 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:31,880 Speaker 2: fifty one. Maybe he's still having his diet cocin Acdonalds 411 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:35,959 Speaker 2: is his big Mac or whatever, and he's looking over 412 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,680 Speaker 2: his notes, really good notes, really. 413 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:39,240 Speaker 3: The best notes ever. 414 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 2: Is that is this one of the requirements of being 415 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:43,840 Speaker 2: the president of the United States of America is that 416 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,320 Speaker 2: you set out a time that you're going to speak 417 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 2: to the media and then you. 418 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,719 Speaker 4: Don't show up on time. Is this the requirement? 419 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:56,120 Speaker 2: No, because my old boss was just the opposite. If 420 00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:59,480 Speaker 2: he were scheduled for ten forty five and the staff 421 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:01,840 Speaker 2: didn't have you at the podium by ten forty five, 422 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:04,320 Speaker 2: he would have just he'd just walk off leaving, just 423 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:07,080 Speaker 2: walk out and start doing it. Or if the meeting 424 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,920 Speaker 2: was scheduled, oh, here we got c NBC's getting ready 425 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:10,160 Speaker 2: to go. 426 00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:11,080 Speaker 3: Uh. 427 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,440 Speaker 2: If he had the meeting schedule for ten forty five 428 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 2: and you walked in at ten forty six, you got 429 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:21,000 Speaker 2: the look or the door would be locked. Oh, never 430 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:24,520 Speaker 2: want that to happen. Never want that to happen. So 431 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,040 Speaker 2: let's see what are we doing. So we're got just 432 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:28,760 Speaker 2: crawd noise coming down the line over here, So I 433 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:30,600 Speaker 2: don't think it's gonna happen in the next few minutes. 434 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:32,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, so what are we gonna do for two minutes? 435 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:33,280 Speaker 3: What are you gonna do with? 436 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:37,320 Speaker 2: Well, he had a question on the text line waffle fries, 437 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:41,080 Speaker 2: crinkle fries. You used to love waffle fries from Chick 438 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:43,360 Speaker 2: fil A until they changed the recipe here and how 439 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:46,440 Speaker 2: it's cooked or whatsoever. So I can't really do those anymore. 440 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:50,040 Speaker 2: And hardly anybody has crinkle fries, let alone does them. 441 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 4: Well, so I don't even order them. 442 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,400 Speaker 3: I think Arby's Mail has crinkle fries, do they? 443 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:56,959 Speaker 2: I think so, Well, if you're going to Arby's, you're 444 00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:59,760 Speaker 2: gonna get the curly fries, so there's no point in 445 00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:03,320 Speaker 2: get have him crinkle fries there. And you know, and 446 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 2: I know you and I disagree on this, but I 447 00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:09,280 Speaker 2: I don't find the Chick fil A Wafflefly waffle Fly. 448 00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,080 Speaker 2: I don't find him that to be all that bad. 449 00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:14,000 Speaker 2: I don't find them be that bad. I don't find 450 00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:16,560 Speaker 2: it'll be great, but I don't find it'll be bad. Well, 451 00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:18,760 Speaker 2: they were supposed to make them more golden than crispy, 452 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:21,120 Speaker 2: and they did the exact opposite. And nobody seems to 453 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:26,440 Speaker 2: care as much as I do. You know ahead yesterday? No, No, 454 00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:32,680 Speaker 2: some people don't. Some people despise their fries. I don't 455 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:32,960 Speaker 2: get it. 456 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:35,920 Speaker 4: I could take him or leieve them. I mean, I don't. 457 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:37,640 Speaker 1: Know. 458 00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:43,560 Speaker 2: Well, but anyway, I ordered the double double, no cheese, 459 00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:48,840 Speaker 2: but the onion so cheese burgers. Why can't you put 460 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:53,280 Speaker 2: cheese on a burger? It's supposed to be there, it doesn't. 461 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,040 Speaker 3: Have to be there. Sometimes I do the cheese, sometimes 462 00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:56,640 Speaker 3: I don't do. 463 00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,360 Speaker 2: Is the burger just dry? At that point no, because 464 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,280 Speaker 2: in and out they have a sauce. So there's a sauce, 465 00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:04,360 Speaker 2: so you get the sauce. But I wanted the onion. 466 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:06,200 Speaker 2: I chose the onion because I didn't have any meetings, 467 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:07,360 Speaker 2: so it was like, I don't care about you know, 468 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:09,520 Speaker 2: I don't care how bad my breath is, so I'm 469 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:11,400 Speaker 2: gonna have the onions. I had the onion, but the 470 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,960 Speaker 2: fries yesterday were extra crispy and they were really really good. Man, 471 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,480 Speaker 2: that place was packed. Well, yeah, it's in and out, 472 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:19,719 Speaker 2: it's gonna be, but not all of them are always 473 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:24,200 Speaker 2: that packed. Somebody it's been for lunchtime. It's about i'd 474 00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:27,280 Speaker 2: left here, put some gas. It was probably about twelve 475 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:28,000 Speaker 2: forty or something. 476 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:28,920 Speaker 4: That's lunchtime. 477 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,600 Speaker 2: Well, I was coming, somebody should have cleared a spot 478 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:37,480 Speaker 2: for me. And I'm not gonna eat in and out 479 00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,560 Speaker 2: in the beamer, so that's not gonna happen. It still 480 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:44,800 Speaker 2: smells new, it doesn't smell like stale hamburgers, so I'm 481 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:45,560 Speaker 2: not gonna do that. 482 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:46,880 Speaker 3: I'm not gonna do that at all.