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Speaker 1: Boston's Bulldozer never sleeps. The Kooner Report weekend edition on

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Speaker 1: the Voice of Boston w RKO.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Grace putting liberals in their place. Grace Vuoto, my

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Speaker 2: better half, my wonderful wife, and yes I did marry

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Speaker 2: up and she's a big Italy soccer fan. Grace. I

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Speaker 2: want to ask you, obviously about drugs and whether we

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Speaker 2: should legalize them. That's what many people are now saying

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Speaker 2: that the drug war has failed. And yes Trump is

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Speaker 2: blowing up these boats. Good for him, obviously, it's you know,

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Speaker 2: he's going after these drug traffickers and drug smugglers, the cocaine,

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Speaker 2: the fentanyl. It's killing one hundred thousand Americans every year.

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Speaker 2: But before I get into that topic, I've got to

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Speaker 2: ask you you was it two thousand and six when

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Speaker 2: Italy won the World Cup and then you and your

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Speaker 2: family and your friends, you guys went to downtown Montreal

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Speaker 2: and you guys blocked traffic and you guys were was

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Speaker 2: it in little Italy and then you guys were dancing

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Speaker 2: to Tarantel in the middle of the street blocking traffic.

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Speaker 2: Was that two thousand and six? And I know when

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Speaker 2: Italy won the Euros what is it a couple of

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Speaker 2: years ago you were cheering in the house site. Honestly,

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Speaker 2: I thought the roof was going to collapse, you were

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Speaker 2: cheering so loud. How do you feel about Trump threatening

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Speaker 2: now to take the World Cup or those matches designated

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Speaker 2: for Boston for the twenty twenty six World Cup out

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Speaker 2: of Boston if Michelle WU doesn't stop with their soft

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Speaker 2: on crime, pro illegal alien policies. Do you support Trump

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Speaker 2: on this?

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Speaker 3: Jeff, yes, I do. You know, I think there's nothing

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Speaker 3: more important, no matter what hobby or recreation we might

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Speaker 3: individually adore, I think there's nothing more important than clamping

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Speaker 3: down on the crime that we have seen across this

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Speaker 3: beautiful kind and on getting the illegal immigrants to go home.

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Speaker 3: And look, you know, for all of those who are saying, oh,

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Speaker 3: you know, we've got to defend these people, you know,

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Speaker 3: as these activists are doing, remember that there have been

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Speaker 3: so many messages aired on TV telling illegal immigrants to

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Speaker 3: go home voluntarily. They're even going to get government assistance

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Speaker 3: to go home. So, as far as I'm concerned, they're

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Speaker 3: bringing all of this upon themselves. Those who came illegally

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Speaker 3: violated our laws, and they should just be leaving, and

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Speaker 3: if they're not going to leave voluntarily, they're going to

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Speaker 3: be forced out with all of the methods that we

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Speaker 3: have pimpid and it takes a person like Trump to

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Speaker 3: enforce our laws. He's doing what no other president has

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Speaker 3: had the courage to do in this regard.

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Speaker 2: Is this also because Italy doesn't seem to be frankly

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Speaker 2: very good this year?

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Speaker 3: You're hilarius.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: My favorite matches though, are with Italy and Croatia playing

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Speaker 3: when we win the last minute, A big who's now moment?

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Speaker 2: Grace, I've got to ask you, there's now look Trump

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Speaker 2: now is there's a massive military build up. I talked

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Speaker 2: about this in the opening hour of the show. It's

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Speaker 2: the biggest build up that we've had in the Caribbean,

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Speaker 2: in that part of the world in over three decades.

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Speaker 2: The last time we did anything close to this we

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Speaker 2: invaded Panama in nineteen eighty nine to oust Manuel nor Diega.

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Speaker 2: This was under Bush Forty one ten thousand US troops

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Speaker 2: now are there near the Venezuelan border. Three destroyers have

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Speaker 2: now been moved into the area, about a dozen F

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Speaker 2: thirty five fighter jets. You've got a flotilla of you've

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Speaker 2: got spy planes, you've got special forces now right on

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Speaker 2: the Venezuelan border. They've now just sent in a major

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Speaker 2: Marines expeditionary unit. Clearly, the drums of war are now beating.

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Speaker 2: Trump has let it be known he wants Maduro to

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Speaker 2: be overthrown. He'd rather the Venezuelan people do it themselves.

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Speaker 2: But he is now starting to call for regime change.

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Speaker 2: And a major reason is because of all of the

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Speaker 2: drugs that Meduro is helping to flood our country with,

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Speaker 2: and the fact now that he is literally financially and

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Speaker 2: And Trump is now, as you know, blowing up these

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Speaker 2: six of them, killing twenty seven venezuel In nationals. And

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Speaker 2: so he's hammering the supply side. But many are now

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Speaker 2: a failure. It's been going on for forty years. More

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Speaker 2: intensity under Reagan, more intensity under Trump, less intensity under Obama.

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Speaker 2: But if you keep going after the supply it won't

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Speaker 2: an insatiable demand in America for whatever reason, for cocaine,

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Speaker 2: and that really now, maybe the answer is to legalize it.

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Speaker 3: What say you, I think that the legalization of marijuana

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Speaker 3: has been a complete disaster. There are reports that what

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Speaker 3: we've done so far has dramatically increased vehicle fatalities, and

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Speaker 3: we're just at the beginning of doing the research on

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Speaker 3: what these legalization efforts have done. I don't think we

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Speaker 3: you have to keep fighting it on every front that

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Speaker 3: they're not just a threat to themselves. There are a

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Speaker 3: in people on marijuana who are killing others with their

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Speaker 3: one of those issues, Jeff. I know people say we

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Speaker 3: just got to throw up our hands sometimes and legalize it,

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Speaker 3: and then what it's only going to It's only going

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Speaker 3: to lead to more crime if you do that. So

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Speaker 3: that's that's quicksand.

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Speaker 2: Well, let me just play You know, I agree with you,

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Speaker 2: but let me just play Devil's advocate. The way we

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Speaker 2: got rid of prohibition and we relegalized alcohol, and so

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Speaker 2: the argument is, do the same thing with drugs. This

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Speaker 2: would get organized crime out of the racket. This would

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Speaker 2: end the wealth and the power of the drug cartels.

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Speaker 2: And you could tax it, you could regulate it, you

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Speaker 2: could treat it like you do alcohol, like you do cigarettes,

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Speaker 2: like you do marijuana. Now and this way, you know, yes,

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Speaker 2: people will hurt themselves, but people smoke that. Everybody knows

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Speaker 2: it causes lung cancer or throat cancer. People do marijuana.

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Speaker 2: It causes lung cancer and throat cancer. And apparently now

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Speaker 2: it's much more potent now than it was thirty forty

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Speaker 2: hurt themselves, that's their business. But at least this way,

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Speaker 2: if you legalize it, A, we're not waging a war anymore,

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Speaker 2: we don't, you know, we're not bombing poppy fields and

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Speaker 2: So yeah, it doesn't stop crime. Completely, but it takes

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Speaker 2: organized crime out of it, and it doesn't feed them

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Speaker 2: billions of dollars a year. What say you?

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Speaker 3: Honestly, I think it's a preposterous argument, just because, first

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Speaker 3: of all, we've seen already with marijuana that it doesn't

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Speaker 3: legalizing these substances, it doesn't stop the illegal trafficking of it,

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Speaker 3: that's point number one. So what you're going to have

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Speaker 3: it from a legal purchase, plus you're still going to

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Speaker 3: definitely not the solution. And another issue is that it's

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Speaker 3: very different than alcohol. You know, Jeff, you and I

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Speaker 3: we come from European families. We were exposed to alcohol

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Speaker 3: It was very customary to be given a little bit

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Speaker 3: up not having much interest in alcohol because it is

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Speaker 3: not necessarily as addictive as you know, these substances, I

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Speaker 3: just much much more toxic. And it's not just that

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Speaker 3: those individuals are going to hurt themselves, which obviously we

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Speaker 2: We've got about two minutes. And the reason why I'm

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Speaker 2: saying this is this is a bit of a deeper question.

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Speaker 2: But why why does the United States? And it's been

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Speaker 2: West in general, But let's just focus on America. What

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Speaker 2: is Why are there so many Americans who have this

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Speaker 2: insatiable appetite, you know, not just marijuana, but heroin, fentanyl,

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Speaker 2: What's driving this? What's causing this?

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Speaker 3: Well, Jeff, you know, you and I are historians. You

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Speaker 3: know there was four for centuries you had people that

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Speaker 3: new as we think it is. There's always been a

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Speaker 3: the point that they'll do anything. But to answer your

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Speaker 3: so so widespread is that essentially, children are raised from

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Speaker 3: that they can put into their bodies. And by the

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Speaker 3: grace of God, some of them escape without getting an addiction,

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Speaker 3: so what message are we sending our young people? What

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Speaker 3: been taught? Well, they're going to say it's to entertain

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Speaker 2: You know, Grace, it's funny, But as you're talking now,

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Speaker 2: I can almost see the spirit of Charlie Kirk going

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Speaker 2: through you, because that's an argument that he made that

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Speaker 2: too many young people today are driven too much by

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Speaker 2: the pleasure principle, as he put it, and not God

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Speaker 2: and family and work.

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