WEBVTT - Plain Glass, Stain Glass with Pastor Chad Hovind 12/17/2025

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<v Speaker 1>Pastor Chad. Good morning to you, sir. I hope you're will.

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<v Speaker 2>Good morn Tom.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm doing great.

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<v Speaker 2>How about yourself?

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<v Speaker 1>Doing great? No complaints? You know Christmas and you and

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<v Speaker 1>I have talked about this. We talked about it right

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<v Speaker 1>and before Thanksgiving on how holidays can be very, very

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<v Speaker 1>stressful to people. But you suggest that actually Christmas time

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<v Speaker 1>can help us deal with stress.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, definitely can.

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<v Speaker 3>And even if you have a cursory knowledge of Christmas

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<v Speaker 3>and the story of what God did at Christmas, it's

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<v Speaker 3>a story that God came and adapted himself to us.

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<v Speaker 3>So think about God as a multi dimensional being beyond

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<v Speaker 3>time and space, and he was willing to come in

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<v Speaker 3>the form of a child, and just think, if that's true. Right,

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<v Speaker 3>I believe it's true, But if someone doesn't. If it

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<v Speaker 3>was true that the God who made all the universe

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<v Speaker 3>and holds all the planets and all the atoms adapted

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<v Speaker 3>to you in such a dramatic way, then you might say, wow,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, idd did that for me, and maybe I

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<v Speaker 3>could adapt slightly to my crazy uncle or my cousin

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<v Speaker 3>or my relative is driving me crazy. So it's kind

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<v Speaker 3>of a call to adapt, which is if God adapted

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<v Speaker 3>to me, maybe I can adapt to others.

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<v Speaker 2>It's also call for reconciliation.

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<v Speaker 3>Where you think about what family doesn't need a little

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<v Speaker 3>bit more reconciliation. Somebody not to hold some bitterness, somebody

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<v Speaker 3>to maybe get over something significantly happened, but it's time

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<v Speaker 3>to move on. While the whole story of Christmas is

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<v Speaker 3>the story of reconciliation, God wanted to reconcile with us,

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<v Speaker 3>and honestly, we weren't taking the first step, so he

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<v Speaker 3>took the first step. I had that I haven't talked

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<v Speaker 3>to my sister in law for fifteen years after a

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<v Speaker 3>big conflict that happened. I'd reconcile it with my brother,

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<v Speaker 3>as we mentioned four or five months ago, but not

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<v Speaker 3>my sister in law and my wife and I decided,

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<v Speaker 3>you know what, this is the year we're going to

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<v Speaker 3>do it. And honestly, because it's the right thing to do,

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<v Speaker 3>not quite the motivation we needed.

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<v Speaker 2>It'll be good for you.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe what really motivated us to hit FaceTime video and

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<v Speaker 3>have that conversation was, you know what, God adapted, and

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<v Speaker 3>God reconciled with us when we did a whole lot

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<v Speaker 3>worse to him. Let's do it and so after about

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<v Speaker 3>an hour conversation, for the first time in fifteen years,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, we've now got a full path for families

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<v Speaker 3>to get together again for Christmas.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was tough.

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<v Speaker 3>It was a tough conversation, and yet we felt like

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<v Speaker 3>the spirit of Christmas is I want to do unto

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<v Speaker 3>others what God.

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<v Speaker 2>Did to me.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to tack a couple of well known actors

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<v Speaker 1>that you've talked about recently in some of your sermons

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<v Speaker 1>here and around Christmas. Let's start with Jimmy Stewart and

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<v Speaker 1>his father who sent him Psalm ninety one when he

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<v Speaker 1>went off to war. And then Jimmy Stewart talking about

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<v Speaker 1>why he got so cheerful during the filming of Its

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<v Speaker 1>A Wonderful Life.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you know Jimmy Stewart, we know him often from

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<v Speaker 3>Its Wonderful Life those other wonderful movies. He was a

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<v Speaker 3>brigadier general as well and disembalming in World War Two,

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<v Speaker 3>and he had a lot of PTSD, so that you

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<v Speaker 3>know shows up in some of the movies. But when

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<v Speaker 3>he went off to war, his father was a real

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<v Speaker 3>strong Christian believer in God in the Bible, and so

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<v Speaker 3>he sent a little personal note that said, Hey, in

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<v Speaker 3>the middle of this madness, I want you to know

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<v Speaker 3>you can trust God to be your tower, your refuge,

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<v Speaker 3>and the one that will guide you in the midst

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<v Speaker 3>of this. He saved the stem a copy of Psalm

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<v Speaker 3>ninety one. It's kind of the source of strength you

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<v Speaker 3>would have in the middle of the madness of war.

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<v Speaker 3>But after his filming of its wonderful life is that

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<v Speaker 3>moment he gets real tearful. He's crying out God, and

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<v Speaker 3>I need your help. If you're really up there, I

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<v Speaker 3>just need you to step in. And he later Jimmy

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<v Speaker 3>Stewart said he just felt in that moment the hearts

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<v Speaker 3>of so many who feel like in life, let alone

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<v Speaker 3>Christmas time that they don't havingyone to turn to, the

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<v Speaker 3>real sense of emptiness and real sense of you know,

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<v Speaker 3>what's meaning, what's purpose, and that in that moment he

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<v Speaker 3>felt like he was channeling those who didn't have access

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<v Speaker 3>to that purpose and really felt that and he realized

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<v Speaker 3>that's really the call of Christmas, is that we all

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<v Speaker 3>are calling out for God to be with us. And

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<v Speaker 3>even one of Jesus's nicknames is Immanuel, which means God

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<v Speaker 3>with us. If you're going through grieving this Christmas and

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<v Speaker 3>you need some comfort. God with us will be your

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<v Speaker 3>comfort if you're looking for someone who can take the

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<v Speaker 3>manure of life, and life certainly shows a play and

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<v Speaker 3>manure at us and turn into fertilizer for new growth.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's a story of Christmas.

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<v Speaker 3>And he's even born into a cave or an animal

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<v Speaker 3>stall with manure everywhere, and look at the incredible story

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<v Speaker 3>of purpose and meaning that he brings out of the

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<v Speaker 3>manure that he's born into.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>Recently, Kevin Kostner, he just released a documentary on Christmas

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<v Speaker 1>where he talks about his faith and you can find

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<v Speaker 1>this on Disney Plus, but basically talk about how he

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<v Speaker 1>walked through the entire Christmas story from start to finish.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, really interesting.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a documentary and then Nancy's talking. There's some scenes

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<v Speaker 3>that things are acted out, and in general it was

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<v Speaker 3>really good. One he begins by talking about his first

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<v Speaker 3>acting debut. What's playing an angel or playing one of

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<v Speaker 3>the wise men in a Nativity scene. He had one

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<v Speaker 3>big line, hark, and he missed it because his turmine

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<v Speaker 3>kept falling over his head. He said his love of

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<v Speaker 3>acting began there and he kept just periodically through the play,

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<v Speaker 3>saying hark again again, because you know, I missed the

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<v Speaker 3>big moment.

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<v Speaker 2>But he kind of walks through that.

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<v Speaker 3>Many people have thought that Christmas is a is a

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<v Speaker 3>miss or is a nice story, like a long time

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<v Speaker 3>ago in a galaxy far far away. He kind of

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<v Speaker 3>roots it in the history and shows this really happened.

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<v Speaker 3>It happened in the facts. He shows you kind of

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<v Speaker 3>what was going on during that time period. One of

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<v Speaker 3>the things he highlights is King Herod, and King Herod

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<v Speaker 3>is like a footnote in the Christmas story, and yet

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<v Speaker 3>King Herod is probably one of the most powerful men.

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<v Speaker 2>Who've ever lived.

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<v Speaker 3>They did a great job of describing this historic figure.

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<v Speaker 3>If you've ever been to Israel or heard of Israel,

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<v Speaker 3>you know the Jewish Temple is built on this giant

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<v Speaker 3>mount that was built by King Herod, the guy trying

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<v Speaker 3>to kill Jesus.

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<v Speaker 2>Masada.

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<v Speaker 3>Have you ever heard of or seen pictures of Masada

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<v Speaker 3>massive rocket by the dead sea. The guy built eleven

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<v Speaker 3>swimming pools and a fully functional sauna in the middle

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<v Speaker 3>of a desert at six pc. Guy was an unbelievable engineer.

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<v Speaker 3>He ran this spice factory. I've been to the Herod's

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<v Speaker 3>spice factory, and actually the Wiseman would have gone right

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<v Speaker 3>past that spice factory as part of the trade routes.

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<v Speaker 3>He also built this massive place called Cesri and maritime.

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<v Speaker 3>Bottom line is they did a great job of describing

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<v Speaker 3>him and showing the evidence of Herod as a historic figure,

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<v Speaker 3>that Jesus was born to the days of guy was

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<v Speaker 3>the most powerful man in the world, probably next to

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<v Speaker 3>the Caesar at the time, probably one of those wealthy

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<v Speaker 3>people who ever lived. And he's the one trying to

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<v Speaker 3>kill Jesus. And then they kind of get into his

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<v Speaker 3>mania and all historians show what a maniac he is,

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<v Speaker 3>so scared somebody's gonna take his kingdom from him. He

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<v Speaker 3>killed off his son. They got a scene in the

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<v Speaker 3>documentary where it shows him killing off his son in

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<v Speaker 3>the in the in the hot tub together which he

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<v Speaker 3>killed many of his sons and many of his wives.

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<v Speaker 3>And what of his wives throws herself off, I think

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<v Speaker 3>it's Masada, and kills herself rather than stay with her husband.

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<v Speaker 3>That's also an active there. They want you to see

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<v Speaker 3>this guy who's going after Jesus was tyrannical and was

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<v Speaker 3>suspicious and paranoid. So when those wise men show up

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<v Speaker 3>and say, hey, good news, there's a new king in town.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, this is like the worst guy you could

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<v Speaker 3>ever say that to. And they also show that, you

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<v Speaker 3>think in the Christmas story we kind of have all

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<v Speaker 3>this nostalgia around it, but there's a lot of tragedy.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, he then kills off all the boys in

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<v Speaker 3>Bethlehem trying.

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<v Speaker 2>To get after Jesus. So I thought they did a mess.

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<v Speaker 3>This incredible job of showing that God was born into

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<v Speaker 3>this world with pain and suffering and difficulty. He's on

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<v Speaker 3>the run from Herod he had. In the middle of that,

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<v Speaker 3>God enters into our pain and shows that he's willing

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<v Speaker 3>to not.

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<v Speaker 2>Watch from a distance.

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<v Speaker 3>But as John Osborne used to say in her song,

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<v Speaker 3>you know what, God was one of us.

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<v Speaker 2>He became the story.

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<v Speaker 3>And so then you get to see Mary and Joseph

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<v Speaker 3>kind of what was like in their lives during those days.

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<v Speaker 3>It gives you a little cultural feel for what it

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<v Speaker 3>was like for their patrol the period, how devastated Joseph

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<v Speaker 3>was when he heard the news and the angel pierce him.

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<v Speaker 3>The really great historic and inspirational pieces to it, and

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<v Speaker 3>quite frankly toward the end, Kevin Costler says, many people

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<v Speaker 3>believe that now he died ROAs from the dead.

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<v Speaker 2>And he says, I'm one of those, So I was.

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<v Speaker 3>Surprised, and how kind of hapt there he was and

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<v Speaker 3>articulating his belief and faith in Jesus' birth, his death,

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<v Speaker 3>and his resurrection.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, for those who are non believers, and look, there

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<v Speaker 1>are a lot of them out there driving around right

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<v Speaker 1>now that might roll their eyes and all that kind

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<v Speaker 1>of thing. But one thing that cannot be disputed is

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<v Speaker 1>that Jesus was a real person who walked this earth

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<v Speaker 1>just like you and I. And if you just read

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<v Speaker 1>about the way he lived his life, and he really

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<v Speaker 1>only ministered of his thirty three years on this earth,

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<v Speaker 1>he really only ministered, I think for about three years.

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<v Speaker 1>So even if you don't believe in, let's say, the resurrection, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>and you think a lot of this stuff is just

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<v Speaker 1>total nonsense, it's a fairy tale, what cannot be disputed

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<v Speaker 1>is that Jesus did live in this world and the

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<v Speaker 1>things that he did while he was here. All of us,

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<v Speaker 1>believer or non believer, can take a lot out of it,

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<v Speaker 1>especially during this time of the year.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, with that a doubt and if you're just a

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<v Speaker 3>facts person again, I see myself as a philosopher and

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<v Speaker 3>a facts guy. You know the Great Isaiah Scroll. We

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<v Speaker 3>have a copy of that because it does he scrolls

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<v Speaker 3>at one hundred and twenty five BC. We know it's

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<v Speaker 3>everything written in Isaiah written at seven hundred BC, but

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<v Speaker 3>we have a complete copy of one twenty five BC.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a fact of history.

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<v Speaker 3>And in that book one hundred years before Jesus, we

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<v Speaker 3>have a copy of it. It predicts he will be

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<v Speaker 3>born into the land of Zebulin enough tally that's the

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<v Speaker 3>area need of ser Galley, That's where I'm side would come,

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<v Speaker 3>where he's going to live. How he's going to be born,

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<v Speaker 3>born of a virgin, predicted one hundred years in advance.

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<v Speaker 3>Who's going to come visit him, Rulers and kings from

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<v Speaker 3>a non Jewish nations, bringing specific gifts of gold and

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<v Speaker 3>of frankinsense that happens. Specifically, he'll be died by being pierced,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, crucifixion. He'll be killed between other criminals. All

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<v Speaker 3>of these are very specific, very detailed predictions. We have

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<v Speaker 3>the writings and the facts of where he's going to live,

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<v Speaker 3>how he's going to die, what he's going to talk,

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<v Speaker 3>how he's going to talk, what his message is going

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<v Speaker 3>to be. So I would just say, if you're a

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<v Speaker 3>person who's into puzzles or archaeology or facts, this is

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<v Speaker 3>more than just a story. There are actual concrete evidence

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<v Speaker 3>that one can look at and one can say, Wow,

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<v Speaker 3>not only do he live an inspiring life, the life

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<v Speaker 3>I wish I could be capable of living, but also

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<v Speaker 3>the facts of history push me to look at the

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<v Speaker 3>preponderance of evidence and say, I need to wrestle with

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<v Speaker 3>whether or not this really happened, because how in the

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<v Speaker 3>world do you predict in that level specificity that many

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<v Speaker 3>details about any one human being hundreds of years in advance.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's just so inspiring this time of year, and

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<v Speaker 1>all of us have the things we have to deal with,

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<v Speaker 1>whether it's, as you mentioned earlier, somebody in the family

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<v Speaker 1>that we've had issues with, and we're concerned about what

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<v Speaker 1>might happen around the dinner table, or what might happen

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<v Speaker 1>if we get into a discussion about this or that

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever the case may be. But you know, this

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<v Speaker 1>is just such a wonderful conversation to have this time

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<v Speaker 1>of year and really every day of every year. So

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<v Speaker 1>I wish you and your family, Pastor Chad, a very

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<v Speaker 1>very merry Christmas, and can't wait to be with you

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<v Speaker 1>on Christmas Eve.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, all ten services, we'll see it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, no kidding, all ten of them. They got going on,

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<v Speaker 1>Pastor Chad Oven. We call it plain glass, stained glass.

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<v Speaker 1>We do it every single week.