1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:05,480 Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Dan Ray WBZ, Boston's radio. 2 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:07,720 Speaker 2: For those of you who are just joining us, We 3 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:10,960 Speaker 2: just spent an hour with Boston City council Ed Flynn 4 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 2: talking about a real issue in the part of Boston 5 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:19,919 Speaker 2: that is called Chinatown. It is an area down and 6 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 2: now the Theater District used to be the combat Zone. 7 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 2: At Flen mentioned when his dad became mayor in nineteen 8 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:32,200 Speaker 2: eighty four. I was elected in eighty three, there were 9 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:39,160 Speaker 2: forty four we'll call them emporium of interpretive dance strip 10 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:43,599 Speaker 2: joints in the combat Zone and it was a wild place. Now, 11 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:46,960 Speaker 2: it had been very wild in the nineteen seventies. And 12 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 2: actually there was a real tragedy where a young Harvard 13 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 2: football player on the Saturday evening after Harvard had played Yale, 14 00:00:56,880 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 2: a group of the players apparently went to the combat 15 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 2: Zone and an individual named Andy Andrew Popolo was stabbed 16 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:07,039 Speaker 2: to death. And that was really the beginning of the 17 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:09,679 Speaker 2: demise of the combat Zone. People realized it was not 18 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:14,840 Speaker 2: quite the body but innocent place. There was drug dealing, 19 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 2: and obviously there was violence, maybe not necessarily inside the clubs, 20 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:23,839 Speaker 2: but that was what was going on outside the clubs. Anyway, 21 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:29,640 Speaker 2: there are now two strip clubs in what was the 22 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:31,679 Speaker 2: combat zone but it's now the Theater District. One of 23 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:32,479 Speaker 2: them wants to move. 24 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:33,479 Speaker 3: Well. 25 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 2: The two of them are on a side street called 26 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 2: the Green Street, which is off the Beaten Path, and 27 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 2: one of them, Centerfolds, wants to move to Stuart Street, 28 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:45,559 Speaker 2: the old Jacob Wirth restaurant on Stewart Street, which would 29 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 2: be a great location. And We've had an interesting hour, 30 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 2: and I'm going to continue the conversation, and I'd love 31 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 2: to hear from as many of you as possible because 32 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 2: Ed Flynn is trying to make sure that his constituents 33 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 2: in China Town he represents Chinatown, amongst other other communities, 34 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 2: are respected and are treated respectfully. I'm not sure that 35 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:14,799 Speaker 2: he feels that the uh this, this relocation can be stopped, 36 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 2: but what he wants to do is set up some 37 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 2: protocols and procedures so that this will not open the 38 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 2: floodcads for a return to more of this so called 39 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:28,360 Speaker 2: adult entertainment within what is now the Theater District but 40 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 2: was the combat zone. I hope most of you have 41 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 2: followed that part of the conversation. We will flesh it 42 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:38,800 Speaker 2: out with callers. The only lines open right now if 43 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 2: you'd like to get through six point seven nine thirty 44 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 2: Our right little lines are full, and let us go 45 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 2: to them right now. Going to go to Bob down 46 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 2: in the Cape. Bob on Cape Cod Bob, appreciate you 47 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 2: holding through the news. Thank you for your patience. You 48 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 2: are on the Earbob. 49 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 4: Hey. 50 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 5: Thanks. 51 00:02:55,800 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 6: I want to make two comments. First, I remember the 52 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 6: combat zone, as you know, when I was in college 53 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:09,080 Speaker 6: in the seventies, so you know, frankly I didn't know 54 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:11,800 Speaker 6: there's two other clubs in the area. But you know, 55 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:14,640 Speaker 6: it's kind of disingenuous to call it the combat zone 56 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:18,919 Speaker 6: or even the thought of rebirthing what was the combat zone, 57 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 6: which was lots of clubs and lots of street walkers. 58 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 6: The second thing is I liked the idea of mister Flynn, 59 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:32,359 Speaker 6: you know, creating you know, an architecture that you could 60 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 6: have more community input. The question, if he was still on, 61 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 6: was you know, what's the bounds of that community input. 62 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 6: For example, let's say an Italian restaurant wanted to move 63 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 6: into China down. That's certainly a lot more digestible, no 64 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 6: pun intended, right, but it's different than the sort of 65 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 6: the trend of the kinds of things that are in 66 00:03:57,080 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 6: that area and throughout the DA district in general. Right 67 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:08,839 Speaker 6: with with this initiative that he has allow existing businesses 68 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 6: and residents, is uh to uh discriminate against someone who 69 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 6: has opened up an Italian restaurant? 70 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 2: No, No, I don't think so, because I can tell 71 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 2: you that I have been in the Stuart Street area, 72 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:25,919 Speaker 2: which you know this the combat zone. There was a 73 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:29,159 Speaker 2: guessing nation. I called it like an adult entertainment district. 74 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:33,839 Speaker 2: But it has it has boundaries, and there are there 75 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:38,039 Speaker 2: are other restaurants except more than just Chinese restaurants, and 76 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:41,280 Speaker 2: they would I don't think uh that that a group 77 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 2: of well you know. 78 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:44,839 Speaker 6: You you can pick you can pick the exception, right, 79 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 6: but you get my point. 80 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:48,040 Speaker 3: No, I do understand your point. 81 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:50,200 Speaker 2: But but what he's saying, I think what I think 82 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 2: what he's saying is that to the families of Chinatown. 83 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 3: This is their neighborhood. 84 00:04:56,920 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 2: This is where they live, this is where their kids 85 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:02,279 Speaker 2: go to school in the early years, this is where 86 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:08,359 Speaker 2: multi generational families live, and maybe many of them moved 87 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:14,479 Speaker 2: into the area many years ago when prices were cheaper. 88 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:17,480 Speaker 2: And he just wants to make sure that the people 89 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:21,280 Speaker 2: who were there have some say and some import over 90 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 2: what expaniends and what arrives. 91 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it's just that my concern is, really, 92 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 6: is there overage or is there some bounds and to 93 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 6: what he's proposing, and having not read the document, I 94 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 6: don't know. 95 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:37,039 Speaker 3: Yeah. 96 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:40,480 Speaker 2: Well, no, no, you asked the right questions and there 97 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 2: are concerns. But again with I think most of us, 98 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 2: if we thought that there was going to be a 99 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 2: strip club opening in our neighborhoods, most of us would 100 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:57,839 Speaker 2: probably be a little concerned about the clientele that that 101 00:05:57,960 --> 00:05:59,720 Speaker 2: would draw late night clientele. 102 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 3: And I'm not saying. 103 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:04,360 Speaker 2: That that it necessarily would would lead to criminal activity, 104 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 2: but certainly there was a lot of criminal activity going 105 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 2: on in the combat zone at its height in the steps. 106 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 6: Oh sure, you know, you're one hundred percent right, but 107 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 6: let me let me let me give you an example. 108 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 6: I know there's a little bit out of context, but 109 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 6: you know, the town of Foulmouth, we must have I 110 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 6: don't know, ten dunkin donuts. There are a lot of 111 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 6: people that would like to say, hey, we should have 112 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 6: more community input that let's mix up a few less 113 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:37,719 Speaker 6: banks and a few less dunkin Donuts and let's let's 114 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 6: encourage other mom and pops or other types of entities 115 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 6: to come into you know, that kind. 116 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 5: Of a zone. 117 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 6: Right, And so I get, I get the community planning 118 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:53,360 Speaker 6: is good. It's just make sure it's not too discriminatory, right, Yeah, no. 119 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 3: No one wants it to be discriminatory. 120 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 2: But and again, you have, for example, up north of 121 00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 2: Boston on Route one, uh, you have a lot of 122 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:06,919 Speaker 2: well you have some very well known emporium of interpretive dance, 123 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 2: and that's a lot more acceptable there when it's not 124 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 2: within you know, a couple one hundred feet of of 125 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 2: of of a neighborhood. 126 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 6: That's you know, see, that's the judgment I can't make. 127 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 6: I didn't know they were there. I didn't know the 128 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 6: tour in downtown Boston either. But you know, if I 129 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 6: was a property owner on the next street over, you know, 130 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 6: maybe I'd have same concern that some of the residents 131 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 6: in Chinatown. 132 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 3: I don't know. 133 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 2: You could always have that if people want to open 134 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 2: up a prison, if they want to open a prison 135 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 2: or a waste treatment plant, you're always going to have 136 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 2: people who are going to say, why why did we 137 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 2: have to have it, and people will always argue, well, 138 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 2: that's a nimby reaction, not in my backyard. 139 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 3: But there's a lot of this stuff that you don't 140 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 3: want in your backyard. I mean, you know you're in 141 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 3: your neighborhood. 142 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 2: Not necessary metaphorically in your backyard. Look, I appreciate Bob 143 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:09,720 Speaker 2: the call. I assume you're in Falmouth. I hope you have. 144 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 6: A great I'm I work in Boston. I'm on my 145 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 6: way home to the Cape. But thanks to taking my 146 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 6: call and have a good night. 147 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 2: Well you, thank you very much for calling, and thanks 148 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 2: for listening to Night'side. We're here Monday through Friday night 149 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 2: from eight and midnight. We'll get you home safe and sound. 150 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 6: Okay, sure, mast Thank you sir, take. 151 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 3: It easy, a great night. 152 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 2: Six one, seven, two, five, four, ten thirty, six, one, seven, 153 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 2: nine thirty. I got an open line on each of those, 154 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 2: if you want to get in. We're talking about what 155 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 2: some in Boston's Chinatown district are concerned about in former 156 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 2: city or I shouldn't say current city councilor uh who's 157 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:50,080 Speaker 2: standing for re election tomorrow ed Flynn is out speaking 158 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 2: spoke with us last hour. I thought really eloquently to 159 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:59,439 Speaker 2: defend the rights of the residents of what was once 160 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 2: the car that zone is now sort of thought of 161 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 2: more by people as the theater district, that they have 162 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 2: a right to express how their community evolves and whether 163 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 2: it evolves back words to where they were more strip joints, 164 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 2: probably the restaurants, or whether it moves forward and maybe 165 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 2: even changes from the point of view of the community 166 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:30,079 Speaker 2: for the better. Cynthia from Boston joins us. Got Martin 167 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:31,839 Speaker 2: in the South, then I got some open lines here, 168 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:36,199 Speaker 2: so jump on board. The question is really simple. It's 169 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 2: easy to say, oh, it doesn't affect you were me 170 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 2: because we don't live in that part of Boston. But 171 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 2: it does. It does because if that's I thought. The 172 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:50,680 Speaker 2: silliest argument was made in the Global article by someone 173 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:53,560 Speaker 2: I forget who it was, saying that we need more 174 00:09:54,200 --> 00:10:00,440 Speaker 2: emporium of interpretive dance or emporia of interpretive dance to 175 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 2: to help bring big conventions to Boston. You know, I mean, 176 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 2: I would hope people are not coming to Boston to 177 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:11,440 Speaker 2: go to strip giants. I would hope there's a lot 178 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:14,840 Speaker 2: to see in Boston, whether it's great restaurants, sporting goods, 179 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 2: the sporting events, theaters, whatever, or historically his history as 180 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:25,320 Speaker 2: opposed to coming in and spending what few hours conventioneers 181 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:29,680 Speaker 2: might have UH in a dark, dank uh emporium of 182 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:33,679 Speaker 2: interpretive dance. We'll be back, but maybe maybe I'm being unrealistic. 183 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 2: Six one seven, two five four, ten thirty. If you're 184 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 2: in Chinatown, love to hear from it for sure. Six 185 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 2: one seven, nine ten thirty. We're coming right back on night. 186 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 1: Side Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm Boston's news radio. 187 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 2: We're talking about the quality of life in Boston's Chinatown 188 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 2: with us. 189 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 7: Is Cynthia Can I speak? 190 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 8: Can I speak? 191 00:10:57,400 --> 00:11:01,319 Speaker 2: Yes, Cynthia, Yes, I'm about to introduce welcome. 192 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 8: I was like, can I stay to the long commercial break? 193 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 8: I think it's funny everybody's talking about China Town and 194 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 8: I'm the only Chinese person. I can't get a word 195 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 8: an edge white that I also grew up in the 196 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:17,560 Speaker 8: combat zone, and I'm also a writer I write about 197 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 8: I write a blog site called Hudson Street Chronicles. It's 198 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:24,200 Speaker 8: about the displacement of one hundred Chinese and Syrian families 199 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:27,960 Speaker 8: because of the Highway. The first I call that the 200 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 8: very first gentrification the highway. So people can get home 201 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:35,439 Speaker 8: faster from bits downtown jobs to the suburban homes. And 202 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 8: I was displaced. I was thirteen. There's no real housing. 203 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:43,080 Speaker 8: My mother didn't speak English. My uncle happened to own 204 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:47,199 Speaker 8: a house, a grief revival building designed by Childs Bulfinch. 205 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:49,439 Speaker 8: But it was in the middle of the combat zone. 206 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 8: Is on Knap Street if you're familiar, and Nap Street 207 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 8: is between Beech Street and Nieland Street. It's smack in 208 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:55,960 Speaker 8: the middle of combat zone. 209 00:11:57,440 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 2: Boston City Council or Flynn reference Knapp Street earlier this evening. 210 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 2: So obviously, I assume you as a community activist. I 211 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 2: assume that if you're a writer and you have are 212 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 2: so steeped in the history, you must be a. 213 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 3: Community action child. 214 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:19,080 Speaker 8: I was a child, I am a teacher. I am 215 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 8: a writer. I just finished my I finished documentary subject 216 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 8: for a Breakwater Studio documentary. They just came out October seventeenth, 217 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 8: had its world premier called Love Chinatown. It's a it's 218 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:36,200 Speaker 8: a letter to the world about who we are and 219 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 8: and not allowing a narrative about us create a reality 220 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 8: for us that is unfair because I grew up in 221 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:50,719 Speaker 8: the combat zone, so why so it was such a 222 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:53,960 Speaker 8: big deal because mister Poppolo was killed right in violence. 223 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 9: Right. 224 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 8: Well, it happened that a lot of the strip joints 225 00:12:57,280 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 8: and everything were owned. 226 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 10: I'm not saying this. 227 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 8: To be an ethnic but it was owned by an 228 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:04,720 Speaker 8: Italian Mantumte. 229 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:09,040 Speaker 2: Link in theo who was a student at Harvard. 230 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 7: No, no, I'm not linking him. 231 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 8: I'm just saying you mentioned it. 232 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 2: I'm just saying that I think what I'd like to 233 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 2: focus on with you, because you do have some expertise 234 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 2: and a historical perspective here, What I'd like to focus 235 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:28,560 Speaker 2: on is what is your understanding of how people who 236 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 2: are living in Chinatown now, how concerned are they about 237 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:37,080 Speaker 2: the potential relocation of this one of these two clubs 238 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:40,840 Speaker 2: on Lagraine Street to a much more prominent location on 239 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:41,680 Speaker 2: Stewart Street. 240 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 8: It may begin, it may begin a trend that it's 241 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 8: okay to put what they used to call the adult 242 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 8: entertainment district when it was at City Hall, which they 243 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:57,679 Speaker 8: had was called Gulleige Square. And so they moved it. 244 00:13:57,760 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 8: They decided to move it. I have found the paperwork 245 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 8: that they found. They decided to move it next to 246 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 8: Chinatown because they said it was a neighborhood of low 247 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:08,480 Speaker 8: vo to participation. So once you stop that trend, I 248 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 8: mean the combat zone overflowed into Nap Street. I was 249 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:16,720 Speaker 8: only thirteen. That is a special kind of violence, Okay, 250 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 8: A thirteen year old girl had to walk walk around 251 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 8: the pimps and the prostitutes, walk around the street walkers. 252 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 8: That was the center of the garment district as well historically, 253 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 8: so the Chinese. 254 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 2: But what I'm trying to do here, I'm trying to 255 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 2: make the connection that when Rayflin became mayor in nineteen 256 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 2: eighty four and you were a young girl there, there 257 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 2: were fun lived. 258 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 8: In the combat zone in nineteen In the nineteen seventies. 259 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 3: There were forty four strip joints. Now, yeah, only. 260 00:14:55,160 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 2: Two strip joints, which sure, which I'm sure you perceive 261 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 2: as a positive development. Now, one of those businesses wants 262 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 2: to relocate itself in a much more prominent location. 263 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 8: And I know it's worth. 264 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 3: You know what, why don't you just go ahead? 265 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:21,160 Speaker 2: And I'm going to listen to you because I think 266 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 2: you have trouble listening to me, So why don't why 267 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 2: don't you just make whatever check I got? I got 268 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 2: about a minute and a half here into the news. 269 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 2: So let me just turn the microphone over to you. 270 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 2: You go right ahead, Cynthia. 271 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 8: I'm all ears, Okay, I think I think that well. 272 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 8: I think that it's funny as I listened to the 273 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 8: conversation so far that the man previous to me was 274 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 8: worried about discriminatory against him opening an Italian restaurant. Chinatown's formed. 275 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 8: That's so funny that somebody's worried about Chinatown being discriminatory. 276 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:55,720 Speaker 8: China Town was formed out of discrimination, okay, And we 277 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:58,640 Speaker 8: don't like any trends with children. There's a school up 278 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 8: the street and jessio Quin's the school children walk through 279 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 8: the area. I lived in that area when I was thirteen, okay, 280 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 8: all the way to a high school and college. I'm 281 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 8: very familiar with combat zone activity, strip joints, prostitutes, street walkers, 282 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 8: and once something like that is allowed, what they call 283 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 8: the adult entertainment district, those recoins and called the combat zone. Okay, please, 284 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 8: cause everywhere all lit up on Washington Street, Okay. I 285 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 8: wrote about that recently. And I think once that trend begins, 286 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 8: it becomes okay. Then businesses feel that it's okay to 287 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 8: expand that type of what they call adult entertainment district. 288 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 8: My concern is that I'm always concerned about children, because 289 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 8: I am a teacher, children having and mothers having to 290 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 8: walk around that kind of activity like I had to 291 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 8: with my immigrant mother who didn't speak any English. 292 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 10: I had to learn how to walk. 293 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 2: Okay, Well, Cynthia, thank you for your eloquence. I do 294 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 2: appreciate all the information you've provided us, But I'm up 295 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 2: on my newscast at the bottom of the hour. Next time, 296 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 2: perhaps we can have an even better conversation. Thank you 297 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 2: so much for you for your call. A great night, 298 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:08,200 Speaker 2: good night. Here comes the news. If you'd like to 299 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 2: join us. The only lines open right now are six one, seven, two, five, four, 300 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 2: ten thirty. I think Ed Flynn is right. I wish 301 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:20,200 Speaker 2: Cynthia had been able to give us more respective from 302 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:24,439 Speaker 2: the community today. She's very interested in her own history, 303 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 2: her own experience, her own family history, which is interesting, 304 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 2: no doubt. But when she went off to talk about 305 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:37,760 Speaker 2: Indie Popolo and related to the mafia, I got very uncomfortable, 306 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:40,159 Speaker 2: and I was very uncomfortable when I kind of have 307 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:42,639 Speaker 2: a conversation with a caller. I just want to have 308 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 2: a conversation. You can make whatever points you want. I'm 309 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:51,119 Speaker 2: very respectful, but I when I've been interrupted for like 310 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 2: the eighth time in a call, at that point, I'm 311 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:56,200 Speaker 2: going to shut the conversation down and give you a 312 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 2: chance to wrap it up, which I did. 313 00:17:58,400 --> 00:17:59,680 Speaker 3: Now here comes the news. 314 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:02,639 Speaker 2: I'll give you some conversationalists for the balance of this 315 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:05,879 Speaker 2: half hour six one, seven, two, five, four, ten thirty. 316 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:08,879 Speaker 2: I don't think it's fair to Chinatown. Whether or not 317 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 2: Centerfolds has the right to move into a better location. 318 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:14,200 Speaker 2: That may be simply a legal issue, but they certainly 319 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:18,160 Speaker 2: should not have the right to reverse the trend, which 320 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:23,080 Speaker 2: is to have turned the combat zone into the theater district, 321 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 2: and hopefully it will continue to go in that direction. 322 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 2: We're back on Nightside after this. 323 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:36,000 Speaker 1: You're on Nightside with Dan Ray on WBS Boston's news radio. 324 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 2: Back to the phones, you go. Let me go to 325 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:39,720 Speaker 2: Martin near the South End. Martin, appreciate you. Call you 326 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:40,960 Speaker 2: next on nightside. 327 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 11: Sir, hi Am Martin Cher. I'm calling from the south In. 328 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:48,120 Speaker 3: Yeah. 329 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 11: I opposed the Compact Zone expanding their Boston Chinatown because 330 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:58,360 Speaker 11: there's two schools there, they Quincy Elementary School and the 331 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:03,720 Speaker 11: Jessiquincy Upper School, and it's not safe for students and family. 332 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:07,400 Speaker 3: I think that's a legitimate concern. 333 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 2: Now, what this club would say is again I did 334 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:15,240 Speaker 2: not with us tonight, but I think what they would 335 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:18,760 Speaker 2: say is that this is not an expansion. It's simply 336 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:23,680 Speaker 2: a relocation for them to a better location. I'm sure 337 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:27,359 Speaker 2: that that doesn't persuade you, that's for sure. 338 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 3: But what would you say to them now. 339 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:35,919 Speaker 2: They're saying we're all they would say, we're already here. 340 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 2: We just want to move from the Green Street to 341 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:44,119 Speaker 2: to a better location with the old Jacob Wartz restaurant 342 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:44,960 Speaker 2: on Stewart Street. 343 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:48,560 Speaker 11: I don't want them to open. 344 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 2: I oppose Okay, but but and again I understand that 345 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:55,680 Speaker 2: that position. 346 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:59,720 Speaker 3: But is there a specific you mentioned? 347 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 2: It's it's bad for the neighborhood, any other argument that 348 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:07,120 Speaker 2: you want to make. 349 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 3: I just want to give you an opportunity to express. 350 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:12,639 Speaker 2: You say, no, okay, well, thank you then, thank you 351 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:15,680 Speaker 2: for taking the time to call sir, appreciate it very. 352 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:18,120 Speaker 11: Much, thank you, having good night, Thank you very much. 353 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:22,679 Speaker 2: Okay, all right, let me go next to George, one 354 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:24,240 Speaker 2: of my favorite callers in reading. 355 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:26,680 Speaker 3: Hey, George, GEO not George. 356 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:31,439 Speaker 7: Geo otherwise known as Geo. It's a pleasure. Now I 357 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:35,440 Speaker 7: have some details, so please don't stop me on number 358 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 7: four because I can go all the way to number eight. 359 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:41,959 Speaker 7: First of all, Stuart Street is near the Common, so 360 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 7: this is the worst possible idea. Now a good idea 361 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 7: you may or may not know. On Route sixteen in Chelsea, 362 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 7: I met the Mayor of Chelsea at the opening of 363 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:59,120 Speaker 7: the remodeled Mystic Mall, which had an expanded the biggest 364 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 7: market basket in the area. It is across the street 365 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:09,119 Speaker 7: from a hospital complex in Chelsea with Mass General and 366 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:13,639 Speaker 7: other hospitals and research facilities. But in the last twenty 367 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:20,720 Speaker 7: years they have located eight high rise luxury hotels that 368 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:24,960 Speaker 7: are within two miles of the airport. In a five 369 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:29,919 Speaker 7: minute cab ride. As opposed to the client, tell that 370 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 7: this club would like to entertain is people flying in. 371 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 7: Not only is it two miles from the airport, it's 372 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:42,639 Speaker 7: two miles from the undeveloped former racetracks. Not only is 373 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:45,359 Speaker 7: it two miles from there, but it's two miles to 374 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:46,440 Speaker 7: the wind casino. 375 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:50,720 Speaker 2: You're trying to suggest, do you know just why? I 376 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 2: understand where you're taking us here again interesting geography. What 377 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 2: you're saying is there are better locations for this type 378 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:03,959 Speaker 2: of entertainment than in than in Chinatown, is what I 379 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:04,679 Speaker 2: think what you're. 380 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:08,439 Speaker 7: Saying, yes, by a factor of like one hundred to one. 381 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:11,680 Speaker 7: You know, I did a lot of traveling throughout this country, 382 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:16,359 Speaker 7: and we celebrated by going to nightclubs in New York 383 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 7: and strip clubs and places where you could get a 384 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 7: steak in Kansas City and they would cut your tie 385 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 7: off as when they put the plate down with a steak. 386 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:28,679 Speaker 7: So there's all kinds of experiences that people want to have. 387 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:33,200 Speaker 9: If you want to understand that, Yeah, yeah, high rollers 388 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:36,639 Speaker 9: don't want to come to Stuart Street when they can 389 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 9: get off the plane in eight minutes, they can pick 390 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:41,840 Speaker 9: up their bags in another eight minutes. 391 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:45,199 Speaker 7: They're using their cell phone in a luxury room and 392 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:50,639 Speaker 7: tipping somebody. And the fact that that that redevelopment of 393 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 7: all those hotels happens in a neighborhood of red brick warehouses. 394 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:01,400 Speaker 7: There are no people on the street at night. There 395 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:03,720 Speaker 7: is no possibility I'm. 396 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:04,240 Speaker 3: Gonna do GEO. 397 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 2: I'm hoping that someone from the Centerfolds Club, the management 398 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:17,400 Speaker 2: of Centifolds club is listening, and maybe they will jump 399 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 2: upon your idea, your suggestion, and this will be a 400 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 2: good solution and everyone will be happier. 401 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 7: The Wind Casino is a short cab right of about 402 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:33,320 Speaker 7: six minutes. That's why the hotels are there. Because the 403 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:38,040 Speaker 7: Wind Casino is up the Mystic River two or three miles. 404 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I understand that. I understand that. 405 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:44,480 Speaker 7: And again just let me let me show out another thing, 406 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:49,480 Speaker 7: because the Wind Casino is built on a former chemical 407 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 7: plant which made agent orange. But however, from the Wind 408 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:58,959 Speaker 7: Casino you could take a shuttle boat down to the hotels, 409 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 7: and the shuttle boat could take you as well to 410 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:03,880 Speaker 7: the airport down the Mischian River. 411 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 3: Good to know. 412 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 2: Good, So again I want to get back to the 413 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:13,800 Speaker 2: topic at hand. You know your geography, geo, you have youth. 414 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:16,960 Speaker 7: One final thing to my father. My father was a 415 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 7: lawyer for the telephone company, and in the nineteen sixties 416 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 7: he went to New York and he went to San 417 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:26,960 Speaker 7: Francisco and he brought back a Chinese pagoda telephone booth. 418 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:31,119 Speaker 7: Chinatown in the nineteen sixties had their own government in 419 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:33,960 Speaker 7: order to cut up the streets and put in payphones 420 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:37,600 Speaker 7: and not have them destroyed at night by people who 421 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:42,199 Speaker 7: either didn't like the neighborhood or didn't like payphones. But 422 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:46,199 Speaker 7: the payphones my father wanted them because the people in 423 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 7: Chinatown did not have telephones. They had to walk to 424 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:52,280 Speaker 7: another neighborhood, father away to get to a payphone. 425 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 3: OK. 426 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 2: Good history, a geo, great history. But I've got other calls. 427 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,120 Speaker 2: I got to jump to this. I think was one 428 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:00,160 Speaker 2: of our most productive conversations. 429 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 8: Uh. 430 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:06,920 Speaker 7: Ed ed ed Flynn has offered something after the horses 431 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:11,959 Speaker 7: have left the barn an amendment after this, uh, this 432 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 7: abomination happens no one. 433 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:15,119 Speaker 3: You know what. 434 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:17,119 Speaker 2: I wish you would call that and maybe tomorrow you 435 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:18,880 Speaker 2: could call his office and help him out. 436 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:22,919 Speaker 7: One night I ran back from the tech attorney to 437 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,600 Speaker 7: city Hall with his father. Yeah, and he told me, 438 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 7: he said, what you brought back from the. 439 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 4: From the uh uh A patent office today, I'm not 440 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:34,960 Speaker 4: going to have time to deal with Tommy is going 441 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 4: to take that over the police department. UH stuff in cruises, 442 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:44,240 Speaker 4: facial recognition uh. And he said, I need to pay 443 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:45,600 Speaker 4: more attention to my family. 444 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:50,640 Speaker 2: I again, you're with your breath and with the knowledge 445 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:54,000 Speaker 2: is breathtaking. And I really appreciate you as a caller. 446 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:58,760 Speaker 2: Thank you so much to you. Have a great night. Okay, 447 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:02,080 Speaker 2: moving right along, gonna go to Raymond in Boston. Hi, Raymond, welcome, 448 00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:03,399 Speaker 2: you're next night's side. 449 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:09,200 Speaker 5: Hey how are you? Maybe? Uh, you know, I don't 450 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:12,200 Speaker 5: live in terna Time, but I I uh, I've been 451 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:17,719 Speaker 5: to the Chinatown since since the seventy and I know 452 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 5: how hot we did to get the Combats away from Chinatown. Yeah, 453 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:27,119 Speaker 5: and and at this time Chinatown is it's not like 454 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,600 Speaker 5: they used to be tern of time used to be, 455 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:36,680 Speaker 5: you know, because of the the cleanness, the the parking 456 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:40,679 Speaker 5: and you know, all the all the all the different 457 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 5: sture have a different like a variety of business. So 458 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:52,440 Speaker 5: Chinatown getting like it's more is more, you know, more 459 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:56,200 Speaker 5: Chinese people move away from from Chinatown to like Quincy 460 00:26:56,400 --> 00:27:00,840 Speaker 5: to modern you know, some sub suburban not sure which 461 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:01,280 Speaker 5: is which. 462 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:05,639 Speaker 2: Normal you know, groups when they arrive here, they have 463 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:09,679 Speaker 2: tended to sort of stick together, just like the Irish 464 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:11,960 Speaker 2: were in South Boston and the Italians are in the 465 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:15,680 Speaker 2: North End. And over time they uh, they got better 466 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:17,280 Speaker 2: jobs and moved to. 467 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 3: Places that had more room. I think everybody wants the same. 468 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,439 Speaker 2: This is one of the themes of my show Raymond, 469 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:28,680 Speaker 2: and that is that I think everybody, irrespective of their backgrounds, 470 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,360 Speaker 2: wants the same thing. They want their children to live 471 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 2: in better circumstances than they lived, and they want to 472 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,639 Speaker 2: have a home where their family can can feel safe 473 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,440 Speaker 2: and sound and maybe a little bit of a backyard 474 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:42,360 Speaker 2: where the kids can play. I think I think we're 475 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,199 Speaker 2: all similar. I think we're all more similar than we 476 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:46,080 Speaker 2: are just similar. 477 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,879 Speaker 5: What I'm saying is Tanhan is still a ton of 478 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 5: time people like like like me. You know, I don't 479 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 5: live in Chinatown, but I always you know, I go 480 00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:58,480 Speaker 5: to you at least twice a week to do shopping, 481 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 5: to hang out with my friend. And they is like that. 482 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 5: And I'm sure for people a lot of Chinese family 483 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:05,960 Speaker 5: like me, a lot of Chinese people like me, they 484 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,879 Speaker 5: want to go to Chinatown and hang around and and 485 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:12,720 Speaker 5: and get associate. But the thing is, like, I mean, 486 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:17,280 Speaker 5: I remember I get involved with the UH the neon 487 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:20,199 Speaker 5: light against the neon light, and I was saying I 488 00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:24,639 Speaker 5: was at the meeting against the UH, the marijuana and 489 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,600 Speaker 5: things like that. Yeah, now now we are talking about 490 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:29,840 Speaker 5: even worse. I mean, Comebackstone, coming back. 491 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:32,640 Speaker 3: This is by the way. 492 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:34,320 Speaker 2: I don't think, you know, to be honest with you, 493 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:35,720 Speaker 2: I don't think it's going to come back. 494 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:37,920 Speaker 3: I think that that I don't know me. 495 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:42,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that Ed Flynn is basically trying to say, Okay, uh, 496 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:47,440 Speaker 2: this is a an alarm bell. The fact that UH, 497 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,560 Speaker 2: this particular location wants to leave La Grain Street, which 498 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 2: is a kind of a little side street uh in 499 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:57,040 Speaker 2: in in that in that neighborhood, and wants to move 500 00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 2: out uh into the Jacob Wortz Restaurant, which in a 501 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:05,960 Speaker 2: much more prominent location. He wants to make sure that 502 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:09,560 Speaker 2: doesn't set a precedent and that all of a sudden, uh, 503 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:14,800 Speaker 2: there'll be other UH clubs of this type trying to relocate. 504 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,560 Speaker 2: I think that's I think that's where he sees the 505 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:22,160 Speaker 2: battle needs to be fought. In my opinion, we're about you. 506 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,680 Speaker 2: You were out of uh. Do you still live in Boston? 507 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:25,960 Speaker 2: Are you outside of Boston? 508 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 3: Raymond? 509 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 5: Oh, outside of Boston. I'm Firmingham right now. 510 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 3: In Firmingham, okay, So where you live or that where 511 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:32,840 Speaker 3: you're passing through? 512 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:35,280 Speaker 5: No, No, I live I live in Birmingham. 513 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:37,760 Speaker 2: Okay, great, And I'm sure there are a lot of 514 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,360 Speaker 2: people who once lived in Chinatown. 515 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:40,120 Speaker 3: Who have. 516 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:45,960 Speaker 2: Who have moved to various various suburbs and locations. 517 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:51,920 Speaker 5: You know, because I belong to a communities social club 518 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:55,240 Speaker 5: which is right and Turnata, and we have some we 519 00:29:55,320 --> 00:30:01,480 Speaker 5: have some leasing property, you know. For for some like immigrants, 520 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:05,040 Speaker 5: especially people who who who have worked in the in 521 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:08,600 Speaker 5: the nearby restaurant, they don't want to take too much 522 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,800 Speaker 5: time they travel from Yeah, I know Quincy and Modern 523 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:14,680 Speaker 5: is a nice time. But but a lot of restaurant 524 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:18,000 Speaker 5: people they go to Chinatown and get together and then 525 00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:22,000 Speaker 5: they uh, they take a car pool or something to 526 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:26,920 Speaker 5: to a different restaurants at different times, and and and 527 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:30,600 Speaker 5: there's no there's not a great idea to have something 528 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:35,080 Speaker 5: like so negative thing in Chinatown for for at least 529 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:37,920 Speaker 5: you know, like oh yeah, I. 530 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,800 Speaker 2: Think if you listen to us to our hour and 531 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:43,960 Speaker 2: a half on this tonight, you would you would understand 532 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 2: that that's pretty much the tone of most people who 533 00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:50,400 Speaker 2: are who are listening and calling in Raymond. Thank you 534 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:52,200 Speaker 2: very much for for taking the time to call. Have 535 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:54,280 Speaker 2: you called my show before? Is this your first time calling? 536 00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:58,760 Speaker 5: It's my first one. 537 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:01,560 Speaker 2: Please get do need to call and continue to listen 538 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:03,440 Speaker 2: and tell your friends. Thank you so much for joining me. 539 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,040 Speaker 3: Thank you, Raymond. Okay, we're gonna take a quick break. 540 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:09,760 Speaker 2: I can still handle a couple more calls on this 541 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,960 Speaker 2: topic if you would like to. We'll change topics at eleven. 542 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:18,840 Speaker 2: But the question here is has Chinatown and the people 543 00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:22,480 Speaker 2: who live in Chinatown have they really gotten the short 544 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,560 Speaker 2: end of the stick for the last fifty or so years, 545 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:30,600 Speaker 2: and they are concerned, as his council of Flynn, that 546 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:36,560 Speaker 2: this seemingly benign move of this club centerfolds from the 547 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,880 Speaker 2: Grain Street to Stuart Street might not be as benign 548 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:44,280 Speaker 2: as it looks. So rather ed Flynn is. He's not 549 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:47,400 Speaker 2: promising that he can stop this move, but what he's 550 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:51,040 Speaker 2: saying is that he can stop this from initiating much 551 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:55,360 Speaker 2: more similar activity in the Chinatown neighborhood. And I think 552 00:31:55,400 --> 00:32:00,320 Speaker 2: that is good representation. And it's him thinking ahead and 553 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:04,280 Speaker 2: not being unrealistic, not over promising and under delivery. 554 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:04,920 Speaker 3: Uh. 555 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,240 Speaker 2: If you want to get a final word in before 556 00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:09,920 Speaker 2: the eleven o'clock news, here's some line six one seven, 557 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:13,280 Speaker 2: two five four ten thirty or six one seven nine 558 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:15,640 Speaker 2: three one ten thirty. And I guess there's not a 559 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:19,680 Speaker 2: person out there tonight that I can that. I can 560 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:23,600 Speaker 2: imagine who would say they would welcome this type of 561 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:29,280 Speaker 2: venue in their community. If you disagree, and you would, 562 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:31,760 Speaker 2: I'd love to know why. Back on Nightside. 563 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:35,400 Speaker 1: After this, it's night Side with Dan Ray on w 564 00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:37,760 Speaker 1: Boston's news radio. 565 00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,720 Speaker 3: All right, let me go to Sandy in Hampton. I'm 566 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:43,720 Speaker 3: not sure if that's Hampton Beach, Hampton, New Hampshire. Where 567 00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:45,000 Speaker 3: about Sandy is. 568 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:48,560 Speaker 10: With Hampton Hampton, Hampton Beach, Yeah. 569 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:48,760 Speaker 3: Hampton Beach. 570 00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,760 Speaker 2: Okay, Rob didn't put up their beach, so I was guessing, 571 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:55,040 Speaker 2: welcome to Nightside, Sandy, How are you okay? 572 00:32:56,040 --> 00:33:00,440 Speaker 10: So I have two points. First, with Geo what Geo 573 00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:03,240 Speaker 10: had said. I don't think Centerfolds would go for that 574 00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:06,080 Speaker 10: because they're looking for an increase in foot traffic. 575 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:06,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so. 576 00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:11,360 Speaker 2: Geo has a lot of information, and sometimes that information 577 00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:13,600 Speaker 2: is right on the money, and sometimes it's a little 578 00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:18,440 Speaker 2: I would characterize it as extraneous, and I don't think 579 00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,800 Speaker 2: we're at the point where Centerfolds is likely going to 580 00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,400 Speaker 2: jump on that. But maybe if they do, GEO can 581 00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,880 Speaker 2: call back and. 582 00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:28,200 Speaker 3: And claim that he played the idea. 583 00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:33,480 Speaker 2: Now, I think Centerfold has an existing clientele and they 584 00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:36,680 Speaker 2: probably are looking to expand and move from a little 585 00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:41,880 Speaker 2: side street with Grain Street to Stewart Street, which is 586 00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:43,640 Speaker 2: I don't know if you're familiar with Stewart Street, but 587 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,760 Speaker 2: it's right across from a Tought medical center and it's 588 00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:51,760 Speaker 2: a it's a prime location, you know. I mean, I'm 589 00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:53,640 Speaker 2: sure that there would be all sorts of fights over 590 00:33:53,720 --> 00:34:00,000 Speaker 2: how much electronic advertising were allowed and all of that. 591 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,640 Speaker 2: I think people are just concerned and rightfully so that 592 00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:08,000 Speaker 2: that's going to change the you know, the the atmosphere 593 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,839 Speaker 2: in that community in the wrong direction after so many 594 00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:15,480 Speaker 2: years of these these locations leaving. But yeah, I agree 595 00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,080 Speaker 2: with you. I think that they're very happy with where 596 00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:18,520 Speaker 2: they are. 597 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,840 Speaker 10: Yeah, But my point as for the combat. So I 598 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,439 Speaker 10: used to go there when I was a kid, and 599 00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:28,080 Speaker 10: you never went there alone. You always had to go 600 00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:30,719 Speaker 10: with the friends. If we went to go visit, we 601 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:35,480 Speaker 10: had friends in the area, and you had to be 602 00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:39,200 Speaker 10: real careful because of a young girl. Pimp should try 603 00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:43,160 Speaker 10: to pick you up that you you would sit down. 604 00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:46,319 Speaker 10: Your friend goes to the bathroom and somebody's swooping real 605 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:48,239 Speaker 10: sweet and try to get you to go away with them. 606 00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:50,879 Speaker 2: So let me ask you what so you're saying that 607 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:54,200 Speaker 2: you as a as a young girl. When you say 608 00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:57,040 Speaker 2: young girl, you're talking like fourteen or fifteen or what 609 00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:57,680 Speaker 2: age are. 610 00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:00,720 Speaker 10: You talking about, Yeah, thirteen, fourteen year all yeah. 611 00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:04,040 Speaker 2: Okay, and you would go into Boston, into the combat zone, 612 00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:06,319 Speaker 2: and you would go into some of these dens of 613 00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,200 Speaker 2: iniquity and observe Oh no, no, no. 614 00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:12,919 Speaker 10: We would be like we'd go into a restaurant. 615 00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:15,600 Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I thought for a moment you were going 616 00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:16,040 Speaker 3: in there. 617 00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,479 Speaker 7: Okay, Oh no, no, I was. 618 00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:22,560 Speaker 2: Worried about you, Sandy, Okay, you can't. 619 00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:25,359 Speaker 10: You can go in in that area today and it 620 00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,080 Speaker 10: feels relaxed, you feel sank, Yes, but. 621 00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:31,040 Speaker 3: It feels as a very different time, very different vibe. 622 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,880 Speaker 10: Then you couldn't you couldn't sit down alone because the 623 00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,520 Speaker 10: pimp would swip sweet swoop in as a young kid, 624 00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:37,560 Speaker 10: try to pick you up. 625 00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:40,719 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, they would. That was yeah. 626 00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,920 Speaker 2: And there were some girls who would who would succumb 627 00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:49,160 Speaker 2: to those entreaties and find themselves in some very difficult circumstances. Sandy, 628 00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:51,080 Speaker 2: I want to get one more in before the break. 629 00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,840 Speaker 2: Thanks for thanks for helping us wrap the hour. The 630 00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:57,440 Speaker 2: two hours here a really interesting perspective of a young girl. 631 00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:00,920 Speaker 3: Thanks Sandy, Thanks great down and go to Susan and 632 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:02,719 Speaker 3: mald and Susan you and next you're going to wrap 633 00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:03,000 Speaker 3: the hour. 634 00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:06,799 Speaker 12: Go right ahead, Susan, Hi, thanks for taking my call. 635 00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:10,400 Speaker 12: I just want to echo the sentiment of the prior caller. 636 00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:15,359 Speaker 12: I also remember going into Chinatown in the nineties and 637 00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:19,319 Speaker 12: seeing after a certain hour you would see like prostitutes 638 00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:22,760 Speaker 12: on the street and sort of like John's like lurking around. 639 00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,720 Speaker 12: And it definitely has changed a lot since those days. 640 00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,000 Speaker 2: Would you want to go Let me ask you, would 641 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,120 Speaker 2: you go in to observe that or did you go 642 00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:35,920 Speaker 2: in not realizing that was what was part of the scene, 643 00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:39,160 Speaker 2: And and you'd say, hey, I'm not coming back, Well, 644 00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:40,319 Speaker 2: what what drew you in? 645 00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:45,319 Speaker 12: Well, my family is Chinese, so growing up that was 646 00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:48,879 Speaker 12: really if you wanted to eat like authentic Chinese food 647 00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:50,399 Speaker 12: and get threes and stuff like that. 648 00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:52,480 Speaker 3: So we're we're going in there for the legitimate reasons. 649 00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:54,560 Speaker 2: And then you found out that there was some peripheral 650 00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:58,600 Speaker 2: activity which was pretty dangerous. 651 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,600 Speaker 12: Yeah, an family that lived there, that lived there too, 652 00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:05,200 Speaker 12: that had to sort of like navigate through that in 653 00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,520 Speaker 12: the evenings, and it wasn't It wasn't pleasant. So I 654 00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:10,640 Speaker 12: just want to reiterate sort of the sentiment of other 655 00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:14,680 Speaker 12: callers too, that where the centerfold is now is very 656 00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:18,239 Speaker 12: different than the jacob Worth location. Yes, that location is 657 00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:21,759 Speaker 12: super prominent. It's on the main road. It's right down 658 00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:26,040 Speaker 12: the street with an eyeshot of two schools. There's a 659 00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:29,440 Speaker 12: bunch of childcare centers over there as well, versus like 660 00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:31,480 Speaker 12: right now, I'm like grund just sort of tucked out. 661 00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:31,719 Speaker 8: Of the way. 662 00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:35,520 Speaker 12: It's not close to like childcare centers. Like you wouldn't 663 00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:39,000 Speaker 12: really necessarily know it's there because it's on a side street. 664 00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:40,439 Speaker 3: Yeah, you have. 665 00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:42,560 Speaker 2: Been several people that have made that comment, and I 666 00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,120 Speaker 2: think that's the most important comment, to be honest with you, 667 00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:47,640 Speaker 2: as well as just the quality of the neighborhood. 668 00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:50,960 Speaker 3: Sandy Susan Rather, I wish you had called early, but 669 00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:52,680 Speaker 3: I'm flat out of time, so I got to let 670 00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:55,560 Speaker 3: you run. Okay, thanks so much for coming. Have you 671 00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:57,040 Speaker 3: called before? Is this your first time? 672 00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:00,319 Speaker 12: I called once? Probably many years ago. 673 00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:04,319 Speaker 3: Well, come on back more often. Don't be a stranger. Okay, 674 00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:06,000 Speaker 3: thanks for joining us tonight. 675 00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:08,600 Speaker 12: Thank you, every good evening. 676 00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:10,560 Speaker 3: You too, have a great night. Good night. Okay, we'll 677 00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:11,080 Speaker 3: take a break. 678 00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:13,560 Speaker 2: Coming back, I want to talk on the other side 679 00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:16,640 Speaker 2: about the sixty minutes interview last night with President Trump 680 00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:20,400 Speaker 2: and with Nora o'donald. It was good TV. It was 681 00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:23,920 Speaker 2: a good interview and Donald Trump gave as good as 682 00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:25,840 Speaker 2: he got. And we'll play some of the tape and 683 00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:28,319 Speaker 2: also get your reaction to it. Coming back on nights side,