WEBVTT - Dan Carroll with Christopher Smitherman -- 12/8/25

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<v Speaker 1>Tiger on the Big One seven hundred WLW eleven thirty

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<v Speaker 1>nine coming down the home stretch. Dan Carolyn for Scott Sloan,

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<v Speaker 1>Bill Cunningham, The Great American is coming up at twelve noon,

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<v Speaker 1>so you want to be here for that. When I

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<v Speaker 1>saw this story over the weekend about the eight point

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<v Speaker 1>one million dollars that the City of Cincinnati is going

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<v Speaker 1>to pay out to people who were rioting in the

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<v Speaker 1>streets of downtown Cincinnati, I wrote this Cincinnati where criminals

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<v Speaker 1>do no time, where punks and agitators can riot and

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<v Speaker 1>get paid, and the politicians and judges who allow it

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<v Speaker 1>to happen get re elected on a regular basis. Of course,

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<v Speaker 1>we couldn't let this story pass without having our buddy

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<v Speaker 1>Chris Smithman, the one time Vice mayor of the City

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<v Speaker 1>of Cincinnati, the head of the Law and Public Safety Committee,

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<v Speaker 1>weigh in on this as well. Chris Smitheman, great to

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<v Speaker 1>have you here. Is that a fair statement that I

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<v Speaker 1>wrote that punks and agitators can riot and get paid

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<v Speaker 1>by the city oft Or is that the message that

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<v Speaker 1>we are going to send when this h when this

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<v Speaker 1>settlement gets approved.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, you know, when you think about this and

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<v Speaker 2>I and I and I and I said this publicly,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'll say it again here. The city did not

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<v Speaker 2>have to settle dank Care. The city could have fought

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<v Speaker 2>this and said I'm going to go to a jury trial.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to present evidence, and I'm going to allow

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<v Speaker 2>a jury to make the decision. Right. They knew before

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<v Speaker 2>the election that we just had, which is another problem,

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<v Speaker 2>that they were moving or had probably already dissettled this case.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is all gamesmanship from the elected officials downtown.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I heard the beginning, which I just think

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<v Speaker 2>is riveting. That you're you're the lawyer for the gentleman

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<v Speaker 2>who was viciously attacked in downtown, who city call a

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<v Speaker 2>white racist, who said council members said, I've got one

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<v Speaker 2>in the chamber, and you got forty eight hours to

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<v Speaker 2>arrest somebody white. You heard that lawyer say, I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>gonna settle, I'm gonna go to a jury trial. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>what he's saying here is that a city you are

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<v Speaker 2>better be prepared to come into a court and explain

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<v Speaker 2>your actions, not just from the public, but specifically the

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<v Speaker 2>members of council. The President pro Tien, who said that

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<v Speaker 2>Holly who was almost, in my estimation, was almost murdered

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<v Speaker 2>when she hit the ground. You're gonna have to come

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<v Speaker 2>in the court and explain your words to us. And

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<v Speaker 2>you know what's going to happen, Dan Carroll. At the

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<v Speaker 2>end of that trial, they're going to say this man

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<v Speaker 2>did not start the fight. Because we've seen the videos.

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<v Speaker 2>He now knows that he didn't start to fight. And

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<v Speaker 2>so we know that the city's going to have to

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<v Speaker 2>settle the case. Now, if we just gave this these

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<v Speaker 2>group of people eight or ten million, because the lawyers

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<v Speaker 2>are gonna get two millions, know that they're gonna they're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna be another level of judgment bombs in the next

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<v Speaker 2>couple of years. For this case that we're talking about,

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<v Speaker 2>where at the at the music festival, we had a

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<v Speaker 2>group of people that were viciously attacked and ambushed and

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<v Speaker 2>clearly we can see that they didn't start the fight.

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<v Speaker 2>We also have Chief Washington, this administration fired him wrongly.

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<v Speaker 2>A judge has already said you all fired him wrongly.

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<v Speaker 2>It was appealed. They lost. They're in settlements, Kate, they're

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<v Speaker 2>in settlement talks right now. But there was a trial.

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<v Speaker 2>At least there was there was discussion, and ultimately the

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<v Speaker 2>judge looked at them and said, you're gonna lose. Now

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<v Speaker 2>we've got Chief Fiji, our police chief, who's now negotiating.

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<v Speaker 2>So this isn't just the ten million that I believe.

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<v Speaker 2>It is the two million to the lawyers in eight

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<v Speaker 2>point one million in settlement too. As you've indicated, twelve

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<v Speaker 2>thousand or so per person. When you put all these

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<v Speaker 2>cases together, you're probably talking about twenty million dollars or

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<v Speaker 2>north of that, because we don't know what this gentleman

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<v Speaker 2>is going to get from downtown. He might get ten

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<v Speaker 2>or fifteen million dollars himself because you called him a

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<v Speaker 2>racist on the national stage. How does he repair How

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<v Speaker 2>does that man repair his reputation when you have the

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<v Speaker 2>President pro Tien, the chair of Law and Public Safety,

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<v Speaker 2>members of council saying go arrest somebody white. So when

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<v Speaker 2>you talk about this to me, it's the context, Dan Carroll,

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<v Speaker 2>of all of that together, and this is the most

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<v Speaker 2>outrageous thing that you would see because in the future,

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<v Speaker 2>what's going to happen is we have some incident that's

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<v Speaker 2>that's five hundred miles away from the city of Cincinnati

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<v Speaker 2>and which we had nothing to do with George Floyd,

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<v Speaker 2>meaning our officers did not suffocate George Floyd. We have

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<v Speaker 2>nothing to do with it. But people decide that they

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<v Speaker 2>were going to come down and block our highways and

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<v Speaker 2>set things on fire and break into business is and

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<v Speaker 2>one officer was shot. He had a he had a

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<v Speaker 2>helmet on, so his ballistic helmet stopped him. If not,

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<v Speaker 2>we would have one of our officers killed in downtown.

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<v Speaker 2>You're gonna You're gonna pay out eight point one million dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>And I want the president of the FOP to understand

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<v Speaker 2>that the position here from the city is the problem

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<v Speaker 2>is the city should have fought the case and said

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to go to trial. We're gonna put We're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna put everybody on trial and figure it out, not

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<v Speaker 2>get in a room and settle the case and make

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<v Speaker 2>the taxpayers pay that kind of money.

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<v Speaker 1>So part of this settlement includes the creation of a

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<v Speaker 1>guidebook that established his former stand formal standards for dealing

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<v Speaker 1>with protests and similar events, a standard for dispersal orders

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<v Speaker 1>that police used during civil unrest, and updated procedures for

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<v Speaker 1>mass arrest the Hamilton County Municipal Court. So Chris Smitheman,

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<v Speaker 1>We are you know, they they talk about how well

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<v Speaker 1>the settlement doesn't you know, accepts no blame or it

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't it doesn't find fault with the City of Cincinnati.

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<v Speaker 1>But now we have to go back and say our

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<v Speaker 1>police officers need additional training. Is IRIS really going to

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<v Speaker 1>be in charge of the training now? Is are we

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<v Speaker 1>going to hear from some some you know, community organizers

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<v Speaker 1>on how police ought to deal with these issues?

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<v Speaker 2>Now?

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<v Speaker 1>Are we going to say that the mayor is powerless

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<v Speaker 1>to issue an emergency order for a curfew when there

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<v Speaker 1>is damage and uh and vandalism being committed on the

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<v Speaker 1>streets of Cincinnati, that we have to refer now to

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<v Speaker 1>this guidebook in order to see how to deal with that,

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<v Speaker 1>that the mayor can't exercise his proper his or her

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<v Speaker 1>proper powers to deal with these situations in the future.

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<v Speaker 1>And then, Chris Smitheman, what if you're one of the

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<v Speaker 1>ones who are out there and did not get arrested,

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<v Speaker 1>did not spend a night And I'm and I'm told

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<v Speaker 1>by people who are close to the situation that this

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<v Speaker 1>notion that there weren't bathrooms available, a water or a

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<v Speaker 1>blanket because they might have spent the night waiting to

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<v Speaker 1>be processed into the justice center. What about the people

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<v Speaker 1>who didn't get arrested, who didn't spend the night out there?

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<v Speaker 1>How do you reconcile that If someone right next to

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<v Speaker 1>you who did get arrested winds up getting a twelve

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<v Speaker 1>thousand dollars payday and you're sitting there with nothing, how

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<v Speaker 1>do you How do you deal with that if you're

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<v Speaker 1>one of those people?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't I don't think you reconcile it, Dan Carroll.

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<v Speaker 2>But at the heart of it is the problem here

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<v Speaker 2>is that the city didn't fight the nonsense, right they

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<v Speaker 2>surrender to it.

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<v Speaker 1>Go to court.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the whole part. Court, that's the whole that. Let's

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<v Speaker 2>go to court.

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<v Speaker 1>Come on, al gaer Arthstein, how committed are you to

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<v Speaker 1>the corect That's it.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's go, let's rock and roll. I'm gonna I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to bring my best to the table, even if I

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<v Speaker 2>have to hire outside council and pay them a million

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<v Speaker 2>dollars to fight you because of the implication of losing

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<v Speaker 2>control of the the strong mayor to make decisions like

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<v Speaker 2>a curfew here, meaning you're neutering the mayor when you

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<v Speaker 2>do these kinds of things. This is a horrific decision

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<v Speaker 2>of public policy, and the money that they're paying out,

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<v Speaker 2>it's just it's just completely out rapist. Let me also

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<v Speaker 2>say that John Cranley, if he's listening, if his father

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<v Speaker 2>and mother are listening, you know, if his wife is listening,

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<v Speaker 2>his son is listening. John Cranley, you are a great mayor.

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<v Speaker 2>You made the right decision at the right time. You

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<v Speaker 2>saved our city from being put on fire. Right, this

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<v Speaker 2>is this is where you have the blue dog Democrats

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<v Speaker 2>like the John Cranleys, the Tom Lukens, the Charlie Lucins,

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<v Speaker 2>who really don't exist anymore. They've been marginalized by this

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<v Speaker 2>very liberal left part of the Democratic Party. And anybody

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<v Speaker 2>who doesn't believe that the left has taken over the

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<v Speaker 2>city of Cincinnati. These are the kinds of decisions because

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<v Speaker 2>because our mayor, our city manager, nor the city solicitor

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<v Speaker 2>had to settle this case, they made the decision we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to settle the case. I believe that this thing

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<v Speaker 2>would have gone to trial. They wouldn't have found a

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<v Speaker 2>jury in our in our county, in our state. Even

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<v Speaker 2>if they had moved venue, they wouldn't have found anybody

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<v Speaker 2>that would have said that our Mayor John Cranley and

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<v Speaker 2>facing that what was happening with George Floyd, with highways

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<v Speaker 2>and streets being blocked, things set on fire, businesses being robbed,

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<v Speaker 2>an officer being shot, that we're gonna sit back and

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<v Speaker 2>pay eight point one million dollars out to anybody. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>the peaceful protesters, you and I aren't discussing. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>you know. I can engage in a peaceful protest. That's

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<v Speaker 2>that's not the issue. And so the people who protested peacefully,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't have a beef with that. That's why I

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<v Speaker 2>love this country. My first amendment right, my second Amendment right.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no issue with that. Visu here is that every

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<v Speaker 2>every everybody wasn't doing that if and there wouldn't have

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<v Speaker 2>been fires, streets blocked, businesses robbed and broken into. So

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<v Speaker 2>every everybody wasn't peaceful, and so you're rewarding that bad behavior,

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<v Speaker 2>Dan Carroll, And that's what you're worried about. And at

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<v Speaker 2>the backdrop of it, and I'm gonna say this publicly,

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<v Speaker 2>is that this is a way that people try to

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<v Speaker 2>say racism. This is about racism, This is about white

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<v Speaker 2>people doing stuff to African Americans, African Americans, and not

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<v Speaker 2>that everybody that was arrested was African American. That's not

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<v Speaker 2>what I'm saying. It's this notion that our institution in

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<v Speaker 2>itself is racist and that we weren't out there doing

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<v Speaker 2>our job the city that we're governed to protect, we're

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<v Speaker 2>sworn to protect. And you're gonna see that come out

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<v Speaker 2>in the trial of the white guy who was beat

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<v Speaker 2>up and ambushed in downtown. His lawyer is taking the

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<v Speaker 2>right position that our city solicitors should have taken. Let's

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<v Speaker 2>take this thing to court. I'm not gonna settle. We're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna I want a trial. I want you to dismiss

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<v Speaker 2>all of the all of the dog one charges against

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<v Speaker 2>my client, because when that's all over, you know what's

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<v Speaker 2>going to happen. He's gonna sue the city of Cincinnati

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<v Speaker 2>and win.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Chris Smitheman. When I look back and I remember

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<v Speaker 1>those times in May or late May and the beginning

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<v Speaker 1>of June and twenty twenty, I remember telling my wife,

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<v Speaker 1>what are we going to watch on TV tonight? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to turn the riots on. There are riots

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<v Speaker 1>happening all across the country. City after city where there

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<v Speaker 1>were police cars being overturned, businesses on fire, there were

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<v Speaker 1>demonstrations and fights going on out in the streets. And

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<v Speaker 1>then these individuals tried to bring the same thing to

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<v Speaker 1>the city of Cincinnati, and guess what, it didn't happen

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<v Speaker 1>in the city of Cincinnati because of the actions they

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<v Speaker 1>were taken by our law enforcement and by Mayor John Cranley.

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<v Speaker 1>I had my differences with John Cranley over the years,

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<v Speaker 1>but I think in this instance he did the exact

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<v Speaker 1>right thing. Put the curfew in place, shut it down,

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<v Speaker 1>limited the damage, and did what was right for the

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<v Speaker 1>people of Cincinnati. And he said, he commented on the

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<v Speaker 1>Fox nineteen p that was put out over the weekend,

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<v Speaker 1>he said that curfew in our police department saved our

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<v Speaker 1>city when other cities were burning. Everything I saw was

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<v Speaker 1>of the utmost professionalism and restraint, and their actions saved

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<v Speaker 1>our city. I want the record to show that they

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<v Speaker 1>did a great job. And so now we have to

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<v Speaker 1>for all these protesters who were out there and claimed

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<v Speaker 1>about that. You know, they they might have been a

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<v Speaker 1>little uncomfortable when they were getting booked into the Hamilton

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<v Speaker 1>County Justice Center that we're going to cough up eight

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<v Speaker 1>point one million dollars to satisfy them and make this

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<v Speaker 1>go away, and then set ourselves up for future protesters

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<v Speaker 1>to do the exact same thing. To me, is just

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<v Speaker 1>despicable and there's no way this should be happening.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, let me tell you something that happened to me.

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<v Speaker 2>I parked when I was parking at City Hall. Parking

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<v Speaker 2>lot is across from Plumb and I walked across the

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<v Speaker 2>street and this young white male as I was crossing

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<v Speaker 2>the street demanded that I kneel to him. Hear what

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<v Speaker 2>I said. I demanded that I kneel. I'm going into

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<v Speaker 2>City Hall. This is doing these riots during this craziness.

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<v Speaker 2>I looked at this young white dude and I said, dude,

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<v Speaker 2>have you lost your mind? If you think that I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to be somebody that's gonna kneel to you, you

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<v Speaker 2>have lost your total mind. Now. My problem was, unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 2>and this needs to change, I had to leave my

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<v Speaker 2>weapon in my car every time I got out, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm looking at this craziness happening around City Hall. Because

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<v Speaker 2>we had our swat team in the basement. They're all

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<v Speaker 2>lined up prepared because they're all surrounding City Hall as

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<v Speaker 2>we're going in, right, I'm saying, when I got into

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<v Speaker 2>that basement, from the door all the way down that hallway,

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<v Speaker 2>we had to have our swat teams out there. These

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<v Speaker 2>dudes that are big as big as elephants now they're

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<v Speaker 2>just bative dudes like linemen, and they're down there in

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<v Speaker 2>all of that. I shook everybody's hands as I went

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<v Speaker 2>down that hallway, but I had had some guy outside

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<v Speaker 2>as I'm walking in tell me that I needed to kneel.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm an African American. This is a white dude

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<v Speaker 2>telling me I need to kneel. Kneel for what? Brother,

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<v Speaker 2>what the heck are you talking about? That is how

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<v Speaker 2>crazy it was down there during that period of time,

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<v Speaker 2>right that, where people are trying to make us feel

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<v Speaker 2>uncomfortable as we're trying to do the business of the city.

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<v Speaker 2>It is unbelievable. And I'm going to emphasize here John

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<v Speaker 2>Cranley did a great job if he had not made

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<v Speaker 2>the decisions he made. And by the way, I was

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<v Speaker 2>on and off the phone with John, I was the

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<v Speaker 2>vice mayor at the time. As he was trying to

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<v Speaker 2>sort it all out and make the decisions he was making,

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<v Speaker 2>so John Cranley and I don't want to detach from

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<v Speaker 2>the mayor here. He was making very good decisions, and

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<v Speaker 2>I was doing the very best I could as his

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<v Speaker 2>vice mayor to advise him on how to make good

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<v Speaker 2>decisions to protect the city of Cincinnati. But they were

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<v Speaker 2>his decisions to make, and I am glad he made them.

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<v Speaker 2>If he hadn't done it, as you indicated, Dan, here,

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<v Speaker 2>downtown would have been on fire.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Chris Smitheman. Tomorrow, Tuesday, December ninth, the City of

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<v Speaker 1>Cincinnati's Public Council or I'm sorry, Public Safety and Governance

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<v Speaker 1>Committee is expected to look at this settlement, review it,

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<v Speaker 1>and approve it. I would urge the members of that

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<v Speaker 1>committee to say no. I would urge the members of

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<v Speaker 1>that committee to say, we need to take this to court.

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<v Speaker 1>We need to stand up as a city for what's

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<v Speaker 1>right and send the message that you cannot come into

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<v Speaker 1>our city and agitate and do property damage and ignore

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<v Speaker 1>lawful orders of the Mayor of the City of Cincinnati

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<v Speaker 1>and Cincinnati Police and not expect to be paid for

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<v Speaker 1>We've got one minute, let's.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, And all I will say is that you and

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<v Speaker 2>I agree that peaceful protests in this country are fine

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<v Speaker 2>all day. Maybe you're coming here and it's all days.

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<v Speaker 2>It's what makes the United States the United States. We

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<v Speaker 2>are the greatest experiment on the globe. It's when you

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<v Speaker 2>come and you start destroying things that you and I

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<v Speaker 2>are talking about. And by the way, I'm very sympathetic

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<v Speaker 2>to what happened to George Floyd. In my opinion, it

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<v Speaker 2>shouldn't have happened. It was bad policing, but it had

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<v Speaker 2>nothing to do with the city of Cincinnati. That's the

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<v Speaker 2>most important part of here. We've gone through the collaborative agreement,

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<v Speaker 2>we've had, federal oversight, saw Green has given us the

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<v Speaker 2>green light. This is the greatest Cincinnati Police Department. People

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<v Speaker 2>come from all over the world to see how we

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<v Speaker 2>do policing in the city of Cincinnati. This is a

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<v Speaker 2>flap in the face. Obviously, counsel will rubber stamp this tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't have anything that they'll do anything different. Cheryl,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 1>Brother. All Right, you're the best press we got to run,

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<v Speaker 1>and thank you so much for that. Bill Cunningham is

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<v Speaker 1>coming up next on seven hundred WLW.

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