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Speaker 1: You would know if the guy was a pimp, because

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Speaker 1: certain way with the cane even though he didn't need

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Speaker 2: Let us help you a little bit. All right, that's

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Speaker 2: old school pimps. What are the new? Modern modern day pimps?

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Speaker 2: School me don't look like that song? Well, tell me

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Speaker 2: what they look like? Well, I don't actually know. I

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Speaker 2: don't really know. Well, curious, maybe our listeners. Maybe our listeners.

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Speaker 3: You probably google that modern modern day?

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Speaker 2: What do modern day pimps look like?

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Speaker 3: What they wear?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? All right, I thought they were, but they were jeans.

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Speaker 2: I guarantee they don't want a flannel jeans.

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Speaker 4: I wonder if Bill's ever opened for the Rolling Stones tracksuit?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe a tracksuit?

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Speaker 4: Well you, I mean, I'm just gonna say what you're

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Speaker 2: I'm just modern day pimp. That's what I'm rocking today.

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Speaker 3: If you look at look at yourself right now?

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Speaker 2: Okay? Right, Well, you know when you google it, it

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Speaker 2: does pop up. Let's here.

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Speaker 3: I love that we have him doing that on that computer.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, modern day pimps rarely resemble the stereotypical.

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Speaker 2: That's what I said, last few figures of the nineteenth

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Speaker 2: You that what AI said? That me and Ai? You're right,

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Speaker 1: They typically these days look like a CEO business type,

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Speaker 2: Oh not necessarily, they're just well quaffed. Well quad word, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's a quafter if that's a that's a term for

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Speaker 2: other things. Oh it is, yes, and you just said it? Okay,

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Speaker 2: so did I?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Should I google that? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: That means results to the program director? All right, what's up?

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Speaker 4: I wanted to ask you there? There was an altercation

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Speaker 4: I did not see this one.

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Speaker 4: So there's this altercation during spring practice and it's led

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Speaker 2: So what what is the consensus amongst those who weighed in.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes it gets heated. The type of thing other side

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Speaker 2: you have got to become more of a physical presence

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Speaker 1: And his point was that this is already an undisciplined

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Speaker 1: It's something like this team is different because they're undisciplined.

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Speaker 4: Look well, and he's building off of some other past

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Speaker 3: It's not like we've watched an.

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Speaker 4: And I think we don't jump to too many conclusions

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Speaker 2: I would have to and I watched most of their

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Speaker 2: Were they amongst the leaders in the NCAA in terms

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Speaker 2: So if this was a heavily penalized team, well, that

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Speaker 4: you guys aren't familiar with Alice Guerrero, he's basically tied

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Speaker 2: Well, he had an office, he had access to the

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Speaker 4: So now Tom Brady, minority owner of the Las Vegas Raiders,

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Speaker 3: So I get it. Listen to a Broncos fan.

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Speaker 2: With NFL teams, the head coach is obviously a boss.

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Speaker 1: You know, it kind of reminds me of Russell Wilson

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Speaker 1: And if you pissed off your best player, Max Crosby,

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Speaker 4: Yes, And you can understand from Mark Davis who is

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Speaker 4: But even Mark Davis is probably not in and working

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 4: So this report good reporting there from Mike Silver basically

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Speaker 3: And he is an all time Broncos defensive great.

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Speaker 3: No doubt.

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Speaker 4: All time great for sure, Yeah, no doubt about that.

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Speaker 2: No? Okay, No, you're talking about like defensive.

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Speaker 3: That's a good question. So he's six seven, I.

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Speaker 3: But but from that side, I mean the way he's built.

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Speaker 3: John frankly Meyer six eight the same build.

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't have thought that. So yeah, I think JFM.

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Speaker 4: I mean, the Broncos don't feel very desperate at that position.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it'd be hard to pass up on

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Speaker 3: Oh, he's a great leader. It's captain.

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Speaker 2: I take a look at that.

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Speaker 3: What do you think about that?

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Speaker 4: That mindset, Dave, as you were trying to sell me

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Speaker 2: I think of him more as an outside guy than

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Speaker 3: about well.

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Speaker 2: That okay, Now, those are for sure two different style players.

441
00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:46,520
Speaker 2: Cam Jordan can play and I do believe has played

442
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Speaker 2: most of his career with his hand in the dirt,

443
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Speaker 2: and Vaughn is a two point stance guy coming off

444
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Speaker 2: the edge. So Von Miller is better suited I think

445
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Speaker 2: in an odd mad front or you know, in a

446
00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:05,680
Speaker 2: nickel front where he's lined up outside the tackle.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

448
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Speaker 2: But Cam Jordan is evidently more of a defensive end.

449
00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:15,040
Speaker 2: Miller's more of an edge pass rusher linebacker, and Cam

450
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Speaker 2: Jordan's more of a defensive end.

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Speaker 3: I'm on board with that, So I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I'd say for the Broncos, who might still draft a

453
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Speaker 4: defensive lineman too. You know, you wonder for Cam Jordan

454
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Speaker 4: if if you wait a little bit, like if you

455
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Speaker 4: wait till after the draft, he may not begin a

456
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Speaker 4: hurry to find the next team. May It depends on obviously,

457
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Speaker 4: what the offers are.

458
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Speaker 2: And you don't know what the relationship is with That's

459
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Speaker 2: a great point. Jordan and Sean Payton, so very good,

460
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Speaker 2: might be great, might not.

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Speaker 3: Well in the relationship.

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Speaker 4: Also, I guess intensively to Vance Joseph right Advance, because Vance,

463
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Speaker 4: I imagine, signs off on all these kinds of things.

464
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Speaker 2: So yes, I think it'd be more important because Vance

465
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Speaker 2: really wouldn't know Cam Jordan. Yeah, the way that Sean

466
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Speaker 2: Payton would shop. How many years did Sean Payton coach

467
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Speaker 2: Can Jordan? So he knows everything about him, and Cam

468
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Speaker 2: Jordan knows everything about Sean Payton.

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Speaker 4: So on the text line here, I don't think we

470
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Speaker 4: need Vaughn as a fan. I'm sorry the way things

471
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Speaker 4: worked out for him here, but I just root for

472
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Speaker 4: the laundry.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I the.

474
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Speaker 4: Sense I got on Twitter when Vaughan made his another

475
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Speaker 4: push to Rich Eisen was most Broncos fans were kind.

476
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Speaker 3: Of like, Y, that's that's great, we like you. We

477
00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:27,399
Speaker 3: love Vaughn. He's an all time Bronco.

478
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Speaker 4: But to your point, Rick really liked this Edge group,

479
00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:34,840
Speaker 4: really like what they they bring, and just doesn't feel

480
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Speaker 4: like you need to force anything there with Von Miller.

481
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:39,439
Speaker 4: So anyways, I just wanted to have a conversation about that,

482
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Speaker 4: specifically Cam Jordan, because it felt like there might be

483
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Speaker 4: a fit there with him going into his sixteenth year

484
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Speaker 4: for the Nuggets for a couple of moments, and then

485
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Speaker 4: here at the top of the ear we'll talk about

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Speaker 4: Davi's webb. They got the seven game stretch. I'll start

487
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Speaker 4: with you here, Dave. They got the seven game stretch.

488
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Speaker 4: What's important? I mean, this might be kind of a

489
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Speaker 4: season defining stretch. With about twenty games left in the

490
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Speaker 4: ear you got seven against all playoff teams. I think

491
00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:04,000
Speaker 4: a lot of Nuggas fans are kind of just waiting

492
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Speaker 4: for this team to to really kind of come out

493
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Speaker 4: of their shell. You're supposed to get Earn Gordon back tomorrow,

494
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Speaker 4: and you might even get Peyton Watson back even limited

495
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:13,920
Speaker 4: minutes coming up at the beginning of next week.

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Speaker 3: What's important for you to learn from this team in

497
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Speaker 3: this next seven weeks?

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean nothing really, just just to see what

499
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Speaker 2: the health of the team is. And as you said,

500
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Speaker 2: they get Ag back tomorrow night, which which will be good.

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Speaker 2: You have to sort of ramp him up in terms

502
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Speaker 2: of his minutes he's been out a long time. Peyton

503
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Speaker 2: Watson is still out, so you'd like to get him back.

504
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Speaker 2: I just think you need to get your your key

505
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Speaker 2: pieces back and then get something to get them some

506
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Speaker 2: game time minutes before you roll into the playoffs this year,

507
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Speaker 2: I mean, you'd love to have home court advantage, which

508
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Speaker 2: means you have to finish in the top four.

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Speaker 3: They're a five seed right now, I know, I know.

510
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Speaker 2: Now, I don't think there's you know, oak City I

511
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Speaker 2: think is still the best, the best team, and I

512
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Speaker 2: think because of how they play defense, I think they're

513
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Speaker 2: they're going to be a difficult out. But I think

514
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Speaker 2: the Nuggets matchup and I think the Nuggets eventually will

515
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Speaker 2: get to Oklahoma City and then we'll see. But I

516
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:09,639
Speaker 2: think the Nuggets matchup against anybody else, and it's not

517
00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:12,399
Speaker 2: so much about the anybody else, it's about the Nuggets health.

518
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Speaker 2: I think I would try to get somehow Christian Brown

519
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:21,159
Speaker 2: untracked on offense. I try to get Cam Johnson on

520
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Speaker 2: tracked period, try to create some positive looks and just hope,

521
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Speaker 2: like hell, the ball goes in a couple of times,

522
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Speaker 2: right I mean, but I you know, I like their

523
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Speaker 2: chances if they're healthy rolling into the playoffs. I think

524
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Speaker 2: it's a team that can get to the NBA Championship Series.

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Speaker 1: I love Aaron Gordon, and oh yeah, can you trust

526
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Speaker 1: him to maintain his health down the stretch here, but

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Speaker 1: out since January twenty third, he's had a history of

528
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Speaker 1: these types of soft tissue injuries. To me, he's he's

529
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Speaker 1: the rock of this basketball team. This guy plays defense,

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Speaker 1: he can score. Of course, Jokers the superstar, but to me,

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Speaker 1: Gordon really is the foundation of that that basketball team,

532
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Speaker 1: and you could see without him they don't play defense.

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Speaker 3: Well, that's exactly right.

534
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Speaker 4: So you have your basically your two best defensive players,

535
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Speaker 4: and Peyton Watson and ag have been out and it's

536
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Speaker 4: any wonder why they've been on a bit of.

537
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Speaker 3: The slide where you're talking about that's that's right.

538
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Speaker 4: And you know, for Joker, I don't I don't need

539
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Speaker 4: Joker to be a plus defender. Effort is fine, but he's,

540
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Speaker 4: if not the best basketball player, one of two other

541
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Speaker 4: best basketball players in the world.

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Speaker 3: And a lot of it has to do with his

543
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Speaker 3: vision and his ability to score.

544
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Speaker 4: And so I whatever you get out of him, but

545
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Speaker 4: the problem for in my opinion, for Joker over the

546
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Speaker 4: last several games is in the fourth quarter, he's been

547
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Speaker 4: a bit more of a liability, and so then it's

548
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,680
Speaker 4: like the trade off, but you're gonna have enough.

549
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 2: Big a big enough lead liability.

550
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Speaker 4: How as a defensive player like he's, he's just I

551
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:05,399
Speaker 4: don't know if he's hurt or because the turnover numbers

552
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 4: he's putting up have been the worst of his career

553
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 4: over the stretch.

554
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think teams have gone at him differently. When

555
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:19,119
Speaker 2: you know, when they look at the Nuggets and the

556
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:24,560
Speaker 2: Nuggets except for Jamal, the lack of production, consistent production offensively,

557
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 2: and I think teams have sort of factored that in

558
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 2: as they as they go at him. He's not had

559
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 2: a whole bunch of you know, post ups, single coverage.

560
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 2: Ian shot the ball great from the perimeter. But I mean,

561
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Speaker 2: he would be the last thing I would worry about

562
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 2: with the Nuggets heading into the end of the playoffs.

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Speaker 4: Well, there's one more thing here, and this is kind

564
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 4: of what I'm getting out with these games against teams

565
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Speaker 4: that are in the playoffs, right, they are one in

566
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 4: nine in their last ten against teams with winning records.

567
00:27:57,760 --> 00:27:59,119
Speaker 4: So you have to win over the Jazz of the night.

568
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,399
Speaker 4: You need to do that. You need to just stack

569
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Speaker 4: those wins where you can get them. Well, one to

570
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Speaker 4: nine against teams with winning records over the last ten.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean you over the last ten times they

572
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 2: played like how many weeks. I mean, if they had

573
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 2: that's been right in the midst of all the injuries. Right,

574
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 2: they're not nearly, not nearly as good as a basketball team

575
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 2: with the guys they have out, and they've got a

576
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,119
Speaker 2: couple of guys, I mean, Christian Brown even has been

577
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:31,159
Speaker 2: hurt this year, had had a lengthy layoff trying to

578
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:34,920
Speaker 2: come back from a leg injury. He's he's working himself

579
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 2: back and is not confident shooting the basketball at all.

580
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Speaker 2: I don't think anybody saw Cam Johnson the kind of

581
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 2: year he's having. I don't think anybody saw that. They

582
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 2: don't know exactly how to fix it.

583
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Speaker 3: Yeah, the only win was against Boston.

584
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, so again, I think the next seven games are

585
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 2: against against playoff teams. Yeah, you'd like to you'd like

586
00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 2: to go five hundred, You like to go four and three?

587
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 4: Okay, I listen, you go four and three, And I

588
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 4: think we're having a conversation mid next week saying, Okay,

589
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 4: they're in good shape.

590
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 2: The right of the show, So you don't think they're

591
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 2: going to go for him.

592
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 3: I do not, But then I'll be called a hater

593
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 3: if I say that.

594
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 2: Well that no, you already said it. Well, people know

595
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 2: how they feel about the Nuggets.

596
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 3: I'm intimating it.

597
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 2: They know how you feel.

598
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 1: I what Dave's saying it is, you're already known as

599
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 1: a hater.

600
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you're you're in Oklahoma City.

601
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 1: That's what he's trying to say without saying it. I

602
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 1: just thought I did it out there. I just said it.

603
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Speaker 3: Heyrick, you're really helping you so good.

604
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 2: To have you. Yeah.

605
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 1: How big is the window for the Nuggets with the Jokers?

606
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 1: What thirty thirty one?

607
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 2: I think?

608
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, And he's not having his best year, and he

609
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 1: is lacking some key players that are injured.

610
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 2: But how big is this window? Got number two years,

611
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 2: Jokers having a great year.

612
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's averaging a triple double. He's averaging twenty eight

613
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 4: almost twenty nine points per game. Yeah, twelve point six

614
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 4: rebounds on ten point three d's.

615
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 2: He's playing with, you know, the key guys that they

616
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 2: have to have on this team to win he's playing

617
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 2: without those guys you know, you got Brown, Ag Peyton

618
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 2: Watson turned into one of those guys you know when

619
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 2: when Christian Brown was out. Those three guys have missed

620
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 2: it a lot of time this year. But what's the

621
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 2: window for the Nuggets with Joker? You got?

622
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Speaker 4: I'd say you kinbably got about three to four pretty

623
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Speaker 4: easy years of him still playing at a pretty high level.

624
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Speaker 4: I mean, may maybe you start tapering it off there

625
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 4: when he gets his mid thirties. But even then, it's

626
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 4: not like he's built on ridiculous athleticism. It's about his vision,

627
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 4: It's about his right his ability to to be difficult

628
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 4: to guard.

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Speaker 3: So I don't know, I don't know. What do you think?

630
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 4: What do you think three four years for Joker playing

631
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 4: at a high level still?

632
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 2: Oh, I think he could probably play longer than that

633
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 2: if he wants to. That's the point, right then nobody knows,

634
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 2: I think, except him and his family.

635
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 4: All Right, we come back here at the top of

636
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 4: the hour, we're gonna hear from our guy Benda Nucci,

637
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 4: who had some interesting things to say about Davis Webb.

638
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 4: I want to remind you, see you women will face

639
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 4: Kansas tonight in the first matchup of the Big Twelve

640
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,959
Speaker 4: tournament at seven o'clock. Coverage on six point thirty k

641
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 4: House starts at six thirty PM this evening. CSU women

642
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 4: will play Sunday in the Mountain West Conference Attorney. They're

643
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 4: gonna wait the winner of Grand Canyon in Utah State.

644
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 4: CSU men got a big win last night, as I mentioned,

645
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 4: a two to seventy four over New Mexico.

646
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 3: They had eight straight wins.

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Speaker 4: They're gonna finish their regular season on Saturday, hosting Boise

648
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Speaker 4: States and see U men will wrap up their regular

649
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 4: season on Saturday versus Number two Arizona.

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