1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 1: Man two o'clock hour of the Bumper and Bupper program 2 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 1: starts right now. Lun Annie will join at about five 3 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 1: thirty this afternoon. Michael Hurley kind enough to join us now, 4 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 1: former CIA officer, longtime friend to this program, and of 5 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 1: course he dine his own joining us via the Connecticot 6 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 1: Water Systems hotline. 7 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 2: Mike, how are you, sir? 8 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 3: I'm fine. Danne good. Good to connect with you. 9 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 1: It's out standing to connect with you. Let's not waste 10 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 1: any time here. The President, I think this was earlier 11 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 1: this morning, said that if he doesn't get what he 12 00:00:55,080 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 1: wants by this eight pm Eastern seven pm Central time deadline, 13 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 1: Iranian civilization will die. 14 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 2: Does he mean it? 15 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:12,560 Speaker 3: Well, I have no idea what that means. Actually, I 16 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:17,480 Speaker 3: suppose it means they'll be stepped up bombing. That would 17 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 3: be I guess, one possible action. It seems pretty over 18 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:27,200 Speaker 3: the top kind of an expression from what I understand 19 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 3: talks that had been going on indirectly Dan as far 20 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:36,959 Speaker 3: as I know of US officials with Pakistan being I 21 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:42,120 Speaker 3: think the principal mediator with the Iranians, that those have 22 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:46,319 Speaker 3: kind of broken down. Although I just saw something within 23 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 3: the last hour where the Pakistani Prime Minister has said 24 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 3: that there is a channel and some discussions are taking place. 25 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 3: From what I understand, there's an President Trump has given 26 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 3: an eight pm Eastern time deadline this evening and for 27 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 3: I guess the Iranians to make some sort of concessions 28 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:13,959 Speaker 3: and we'll see what happens after that. I can only 29 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 3: hazard a guess what might happen. 30 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 1: You've been around this sort of conversation for a long 31 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:24,520 Speaker 1: time and worked inside government as well. How disturbing do 32 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:28,959 Speaker 1: you find the rhetoric, period, because this is fairly from 33 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:32,920 Speaker 1: a United States president on the record, in public, not 34 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 1: necessarily behind the scenes, where obviously things can get very 35 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 1: direct and very politically incorrect. How disturbing do you find 36 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 1: the rhetoric being this public from a president? 37 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 3: Well, it's very unusual. I don't recall any president negotiating 38 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 3: this way or making these kinds of direct threats. Maybe 39 00:02:55,040 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 3: they're hyperbolic, so it's very unusual. It's President Trump's he 40 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 3: believes it's worked in the past in certain situations, maybe 41 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 3: with the pressure that was put in put on Venezuela 42 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 3: before that successful US military operation that didn't cost any 43 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:18,519 Speaker 3: US lives and got Maduro out of the country here 44 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:22,960 Speaker 3: into the United States. So I think those kinds of 45 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:28,360 Speaker 3: successes have reinforced in President Trump's mind that that sort 46 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 3: of approach works. But to answer your question correctly, no, 47 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 3: I think those kinds of threats that he's using are 48 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 3: highly unusual there. They are sort of typical of him, 49 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 3: I would say, And to me, it's definitely not my style, 50 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 3: not the style that I've seen before. Whether it works 51 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 3: or not, I guess we'll have to judge as the 52 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 3: days go by. 53 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 1: All right, So let's let's center on one aspect of 54 00:03:56,400 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 1: the rhetoric the last several days, if not weeks, having 55 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 1: to do with the the Strait of horror moves, because 56 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 1: as you know, he's been all over the map from 57 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 1: not my problem, it'll say it'll it'll reopen naturally. I 58 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:12,839 Speaker 1: think it was one of the quotes he said back 59 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 1: when we're about to wrap this thing up, before he 60 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 1: decided it's non negotiable, the straits got to be reopened 61 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 1: or if not, Iranian civilization will die. So how do 62 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 1: we explain these reversals? Because the people who support Trump, 63 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 1: they what they always fall. 64 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 2: Back on was he's just playing the game. 65 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 1: This is the this is the sort of transactional negotiating 66 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 1: game that he always plays, which would indicate a belief 67 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 1: that he is in control of all of this. 68 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 2: I don't see that control. 69 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 1: And I'm trying to understand, you know, where we are 70 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 1: in the Strait of horror moves and and what you know, 71 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 1: what what is really at stake here from our from 72 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:55,720 Speaker 1: this country's standpoint. 73 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 3: Well, that's those are very good points, Dan, and I 74 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:05,919 Speaker 3: think that I don't know whether he's in control or 75 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 3: not of this. I'm sure you've read some of the 76 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 3: in depth reporting in the New York Times and other 77 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 3: newspapers about the decision making that went into President Trump's 78 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:24,159 Speaker 3: decision to launch on Iran in the first place, and 79 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 3: there were very strong reservations i think expressed particularly by 80 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 3: Secretary of State Marco Rubio, Vice President JD. Vance, and 81 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 3: also the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs General Dan Kine, 82 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 3: with specific mention of the Straits of horror moves and 83 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 3: that that's a point of vulnerability. It's unclear to me 84 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:51,920 Speaker 3: how much they really fought through what the possible consequences 85 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 3: would be to shipping through the straits and its effect 86 00:05:56,920 --> 00:05:59,360 Speaker 3: on the world economy, on gas prices here in the 87 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 3: United States and around the world. How much attention and 88 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 3: detail did they really did they really pay to that? 89 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 3: I think that it seems to me from at least 90 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:13,040 Speaker 3: some of the reporting I've read, was that I think 91 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 3: President Trump believed that that Iran could be brought to 92 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 3: its knees very quickly, and that that that would possibly 93 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:26,480 Speaker 3: lead to regime change and kind of an uprising, and 94 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 3: then the United States would be dealing with a more 95 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 3: with with a more democratic style government at least not 96 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 3: a theocratic one, and a more reasonable one, and that 97 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 3: therefore we would really have to address longer term the 98 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:42,600 Speaker 3: straights and for moves issue. But that is that is 99 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 3: the key thing. And because the theocratic regime, the Mullas 100 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 3: are still in charge in Iran, that is one of 101 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:51,360 Speaker 3: their points of power and they're going to use it. 102 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 3: They're going to use it as long as they can. 103 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 3: That's their key, key leverage and I think to get 104 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 3: control of it that I have yet to see what 105 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 3: the plan is for the US to do that and 106 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:09,279 Speaker 3: how it will be done again, I don't know that 107 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 3: after eight o'clock tonight or in the coming days or not, 108 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:16,679 Speaker 3: but that is really the key challenge and the key question. 109 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 1: You mentioned some of the reporting that's been done, and 110 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 1: that's where I was going next. New York Times has 111 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 1: an extensive co byline story I think Maggie Haberman's one 112 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 1: of the writers in on it, that lays out what's 113 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 1: described as a fairly extraordinary, you could say, presentation offered 114 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 1: up by Net and Yahoo to convince Trump to. 115 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 2: Go to war. 116 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 1: Let me read you a couple of sentences from that piece. 117 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 1: In the situation room room on February eleventh, mister Nettan 118 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 1: Yahoo made a hard sell, suggesting that Iran was ripe 119 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 1: for regime change and expressing the belief that a joint 120 00:07:56,480 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 1: US Israeli mission could finally bring it into the Islamic Republican. 121 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 1: At one point, the Israelis played for mister Trump a 122 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 1: brief video that included a montage of potential new leaders 123 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 1: who could take over the country if the hardline government fell, 124 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 1: and among those featured was Rais Pau Labbi, the exiled 125 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 1: son of Iran's last shah, now Washington based dissident mister 126 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 1: Yahun his team outline conditions They portrayed his point to 127 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 1: near certain victory. 128 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 2: As well. 129 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 1: The reporting in this looks pretty good, pretty thorough, and 130 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:34,679 Speaker 1: pretty deep, and it certainly does sound more and more 131 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:41,960 Speaker 1: as if there was a very slick presentation. And let's 132 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:44,559 Speaker 1: face it, this is a guy who likes slick man. 133 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:47,679 Speaker 1: The president likes stuff that's presented to him in this 134 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:50,959 Speaker 1: kind of fashion. That may have gone a long way 135 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:54,720 Speaker 1: towards convincing a president who campaigned on an utterly and 136 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 1: completely diametrically opposed approach on things like this, to say, hey, what. 137 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 2: The hell, let's go it, let's going on the deal 138 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 2: with Israel. 139 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 3: Well, Dan, at first, given your own extensive background as 140 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 3: a reporter, you're in a really good position, I think, 141 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:16,320 Speaker 3: to evaluate sort of these stories that come out just 142 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:18,679 Speaker 3: in terms of whether they appear to be accurate and 143 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:21,079 Speaker 3: the sourcing and so on. I think that's pretty important 144 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:24,680 Speaker 3: because I don't know what the percentage is now, but 145 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 3: a good portion of the country sort of doesn't believe 146 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 3: mainstream media these days. You know, it's often described as 147 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 3: fake news. I looked at that article. I read it. 148 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 3: It is a very thoroughly researched and extensive article in 149 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 3: the New York Times, And you're right, it's Maggie Haberman. 150 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 3: I forget who the co author of it is. You 151 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 3: may have seen in the article that they're publishing a 152 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 3: book I think that's coming out in late tune called 153 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 3: Regime Change. That I think that article is is extracted 154 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 3: from that larger work that they're doing. But I'll just 155 00:09:57,880 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 3: say that in reading that article, which struck me as comprehensive, 156 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 3: it's pretty clear to me that they had multiple, multiple sources, 157 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:09,679 Speaker 3: likely who were present at the series of meetings in 158 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:13,439 Speaker 3: the Situation Room at the White House. And I also 159 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:16,320 Speaker 3: was struck by that passage you read. And what I 160 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 3: recall is well too that after Prime Minister Netanyahu and 161 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 3: the chief of the Masad, Israeli intelligence service made their presentations, 162 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:30,319 Speaker 3: the chief the Masad did it via video teleconference piped 163 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 3: into the situation room. Net Yahoo was there that it's 164 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:39,679 Speaker 3: I think. President Trump then went around the table later 165 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 3: on with his top national security advisors and asked each 166 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:46,560 Speaker 3: one of them what they thought. And I was struck 167 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 3: by General Kine, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, 168 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:54,720 Speaker 3: who sort of said, this is fairly typical of Israeli presentations. 169 00:10:55,280 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 3: They will do a very hard sell. They underestimate the 170 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 3: problem of of of regime change, and that that that 171 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 3: that's how it struck him that it was it was 172 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 3: very much a hard sell that the Israelis were doing, 173 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 3: and that President Trump seemed to be on board with Uh, 174 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 3: with Prime Minister net Yahoo Uh. I think the discussion 175 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 3: then turned into that, yes, the United States could could 176 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 3: achieve the military objectives tactically take out the Iranian Air 177 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:33,559 Speaker 3: Force and the Iranian Navy, et cetera. But some of 178 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:36,960 Speaker 3: the other things that the Israelis were arguing or presenting 179 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 3: would be relatively achievable were actually much more difficult problems, 180 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:49,520 Speaker 3: those being removing the leadership and introducing a more you know, 181 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:53,959 Speaker 3: sort of democratic based government into Iran, and then actually 182 00:11:54,000 --> 00:12:01,200 Speaker 3: securing the the enriched weapons grade uranium that is the underlying, 183 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 3: the underlying thing I think that the US is really trying. 184 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:06,160 Speaker 1: To do well, you know, the one of the hard 185 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 1: one of the challenges I think in talking about this story, 186 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 1: and I think you and I got into this a 187 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:13,440 Speaker 1: little bit last time, is that if you question some 188 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 1: aspects of either the I guess policy approach or the 189 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 1: working theory going in and then the execution of it, 190 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 1: that you're somehow not holding this Iranian regime responsible for 191 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 1: its misdeeds over a long period of time. And I 192 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 1: think we're in agreement on this. I mean we the 193 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 1: latest numbers I've seen from some of the. 194 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:47,840 Speaker 2: Most I guess you could say. 195 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 1: Objective observers when it comes to how many have died 196 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 1: have been killed in Iran since the joint efforts by 197 00:12:57,040 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 1: the United States in Iran, and the numbers I and 198 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:01,560 Speaker 1: of course they're all estimates, but the numbers I see 199 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 1: are in the I don't know, two to three to 200 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:06,680 Speaker 1: four thousand range. 201 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 2: That that's not anything to dismiss. 202 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 1: That's a lot of individuals, and some of those, by 203 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 1: the way, a decent number of those, maybe two thousand 204 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:20,679 Speaker 1: or more civilians. But on the other hand, we know, 205 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 1: we've talked about this that regarding the most recent crackdowns 206 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:28,840 Speaker 1: that took place before all this bombing by that despotic regime, 207 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:33,199 Speaker 1: the numbers of dead again from some of the same sources, 208 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 1: range anywhere from like seven thousand to thirty six thousand, 209 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 1: and that's a big range. Who knows what the actual 210 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:43,959 Speaker 1: number is. And so I don't want to forget the regime. 211 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 1: And part of the reason I think you've got people 212 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 1: inside that country who are saying, keep at it, keep bombing, 213 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 1: We're willing to take all of the chaos that we're 214 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:58,560 Speaker 1: living with. Is the evil nature of the regime, the 215 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 1: repressive nature of the regime, the idea though even for 216 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:05,680 Speaker 1: people inside it, or I think for those of us 217 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 1: who do not want to hesitate to call out the 218 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:13,319 Speaker 1: destruction far greater right now to this point caused by 219 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:16,200 Speaker 1: the regime itself than what's taken place in terms of 220 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 1: fatalities in the bombing, still should be able, I think, 221 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 1: to question strategy or wonder about what the approach is, 222 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 1: whether this is the most sensible approach going forward and 223 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 1: again getting to it's got to be strategic. Whatever your 224 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 1: endgame is, there has to be some strategy that gets 225 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 1: us to a place where everybody understands this is why 226 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 1: we went down the road we did. 227 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 2: Does that make sense? 228 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 3: I agree. I agree with you, Dan, and I would 229 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 3: say even I think that the least of the reasonable 230 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 3: democratic leaders in the Democratic Party on this, everybody, I 231 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 3: think understands that for forty seven years that the Iranian 232 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:03,080 Speaker 3: deocratic government has been theocratic regime has been wreaking havoc 233 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 3: across them. Add least Americans have been murdered, our soldiers 234 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 3: have been attacked, our air bases have been attacked in 235 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 3: various countries, and so, you know, for forty seven years, 236 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 3: it's just been it's been a it's been a huge problem. 237 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 3: And and the idea of it getting actually producing nuclear 238 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 3: nuclear weapons and then having the ballistic missiles that could 239 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 3: conceivably reach the United States, of course it can already 240 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 3: reach Israel, you know, is a terrifying thing. And so 241 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 3: there's ample reasons for having the sternest approach with Iran. 242 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 3: At the same time, though, I think, as you point out, 243 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 3: I think it's totally it's part of it's part of 244 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:51,240 Speaker 3: our country. It's part of our free society to to 245 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 3: engage in debate and to be critical and to to 246 00:15:57,640 --> 00:16:00,200 Speaker 3: really look at and and and probe into what is 247 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 3: the strategy is that is the strategy designed to achieve 248 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 3: the the ends that you know, I think most reasonable 249 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 3: people would actually want a peaceful eon that doesn't have 250 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 3: nuclear weapons to be a threat to its neighbors, and 251 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 3: and and Iran that would engage in business, you know, 252 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 3: engage with the rest of the world in productive ways 253 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 3: rather than the destructive ways that have taken place in 254 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 3: the past. But yet it is I think, I think 255 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 3: it's really important that that our leaders and what I 256 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 3: think I see as I see is I guess it's 257 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 3: it's I don't get political in these calls, as you know, Dan, 258 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:40,440 Speaker 3: but as I I guess I see as I think, 259 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:45,480 Speaker 3: it's a weakness of any administration not to not not 260 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:49,400 Speaker 3: to engage with the leadership in Congress a small number 261 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 3: of the leaders of the important committees, to brief them 262 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 3: in advance and to get input on really important decisions 263 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 3: that that are are critical and that might involve the 264 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:08,679 Speaker 3: deployment of US forces put Americans lives in jeopardy. And 265 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 3: I think when that doesn't happen, it's it actually is, 266 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:16,200 Speaker 3: it's it's not good for any administration to block out 267 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:21,640 Speaker 3: that kind of that kind of constructive critique or give 268 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 3: and take to try to arrive at the best policy. 269 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:25,200 Speaker 3: That's my view. 270 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:27,959 Speaker 1: Michael Hurley is joining us on the fans six five 271 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 1: one guy rights. If Israel is allowed to have nuclear 272 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 1: bombs for their protection, why can't Iran? I think I 273 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 1: know the answer to that, at least from my point 274 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:38,919 Speaker 1: of view, but I want yours. What would your answer 275 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 1: be to six y five to one guy. 276 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:44,440 Speaker 3: Well, I think part of that answer is that Iran 277 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 3: and previously other regional powers have wanted the complete destruction 278 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:55,240 Speaker 3: of Israel, to just completely wipe it out, to push 279 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:59,919 Speaker 3: it into the CEA essentially, And so if that's the 280 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:03,879 Speaker 3: if that's the actual goal, then you know, having a 281 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:08,400 Speaker 3: deterrent capability is important. 282 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 2: I think. 283 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 3: The other for Israel, the other the other aspect of 284 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:17,800 Speaker 3: that is that I got much more personally nuclear weapons 285 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:22,680 Speaker 3: under the control of a of a democratically elected government 286 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:28,119 Speaker 3: than than a a more authoritarian type state where those 287 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 3: weapons could be used just based on the whim of 288 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 3: you know, one or two leaders. 289 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:37,959 Speaker 2: Uh, let's also at least what's your view. I totally agree. 290 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 1: I mean I think you could, I think, to a 291 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:43,440 Speaker 1: certain extent to make the argument that if Israel has 292 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:45,880 Speaker 1: nuclear weapons, I don't believe you can correct me. You'd 293 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 1: know this better than i I. I don't think they've 294 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:52,600 Speaker 1: used them. The concern is a belief that if in 295 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:55,520 Speaker 1: Iranian regime, and I think this is pretty much shared 296 00:18:55,560 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 1: by Republican leadership and you know, Republican democrats and democratic presidents, 297 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 1: I should say, Republican presidents and democratic presidences as well, 298 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 1: that as soon as Iran had access to what we 299 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 1: classify as nuclear weapons, they would not hesitate to use them, 300 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:15,800 Speaker 1: at the very least obviously to to to attempt to 301 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 1: wipe out Israel. Now, I know there's some people say, well, no, 302 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:22,119 Speaker 1: it's the even they understand mutual destruction deals. At the 303 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:25,199 Speaker 1: minute they do that there would be response. But I 304 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:29,639 Speaker 1: think that that's the concern, is that this zealotry is 305 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 1: such that there would be no hesitation to not just 306 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:35,679 Speaker 1: threaten to use that weapon, but to use it correct. 307 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:39,679 Speaker 3: Well, that's right, and and I think that's what I 308 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:44,680 Speaker 3: was trying to say, that that in Israel, nuclear weapons 309 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 3: are are a deterrent capability, uh, you know, deterring Iran 310 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 3: or any other enemy from from from using those sorts 311 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:56,080 Speaker 3: of weapons on them, and that that I would just 312 00:19:56,160 --> 00:20:01,120 Speaker 3: have greater belief that that they would not be deployed 313 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:05,120 Speaker 3: offensively unless Israel was attacked real quickly. 314 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:09,199 Speaker 1: We did have a story in which a pretty apparently 315 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:14,000 Speaker 1: a fairly daring rescue mission successfully returned one of two 316 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:18,240 Speaker 1: individuals that had been had been shot down. I don't 317 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:20,399 Speaker 1: know if it's how hard it is to even know 318 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 1: the details of this, how difficult it was. This was 319 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 1: a fighter jet that was shut down. The two American 320 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:32,959 Speaker 1: airmen then were stranded in Iranian territory, and they were 321 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 1: ultimately able to get both of them back safely as well. 322 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 1: What do you know about this story in terms of 323 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:44,359 Speaker 1: I guess you could say the difficulties, the challenges that 324 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:45,840 Speaker 1: might be involved. 325 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:48,240 Speaker 2: How unprecedented an operation was this. 326 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:56,480 Speaker 3: We've rescued down pilots in previous constant zones I can 327 00:20:56,520 --> 00:21:00,639 Speaker 3: remember back into the mid to late nineties in Bosnia, 328 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 3: and there are other examples of it. It is a 329 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:09,359 Speaker 3: it is certainly a daring and courageous sort of action 330 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:14,040 Speaker 3: and operation. I applaud it and the idea, I mean, 331 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:18,680 Speaker 3: the importance of all our people in the military services 332 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:21,399 Speaker 3: who are deployed in harm's way to know that we 333 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:23,920 Speaker 3: won't forget them and that we'll do our level best 334 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 3: to get them back safely as quickly as possible. I 335 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:32,640 Speaker 3: think is is very important. I've read some of the details, 336 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:36,240 Speaker 3: at least what's been reported about how this was done, 337 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 3: and it it sort of made use of the capabilities 338 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:44,399 Speaker 3: a number of different agencies, and I think it's pretty 339 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:49,119 Speaker 3: amazing really what happened. What I don't like is the 340 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 3: sort of triumphalism about it that that you know, it's 341 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:58,240 Speaker 3: kind of rubbing Iran's you know, face or nose in 342 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:03,360 Speaker 3: it when something like that could happen with all the 343 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 3: air sort ties that are taking place over Iran, that 344 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:09,640 Speaker 3: can be equipment failures, another plane might be shot down, 345 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:14,159 Speaker 3: and you know, like when the leadership talks about some 346 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:17,959 Speaker 3: of the details, Dan, I think, I think it's going 347 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:20,200 Speaker 3: to make that much more difficult to pull this off 348 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 3: again the next time. That's just that's just my view, 349 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:27,199 Speaker 3: and I think it's great. We need to celebrate it. 350 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:31,959 Speaker 3: I think it's wonderful that both those both the members 351 00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:35,040 Speaker 3: of that that crew I think it was a F 352 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:39,119 Speaker 3: fifteen E plane that was shot down, that they're back. 353 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 3: But I think that I actually think this is one 354 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 3: of the things that that an administration needs to be 355 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:50,400 Speaker 3: really responsible about in talking about how they did it, 356 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 3: because it's very likely that we'll have to deal with 357 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 3: it again and and we want to be able to 358 00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 3: get to have the same level for the record. 359 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:01,439 Speaker 2: We should make. 360 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:05,200 Speaker 1: I should mention that the pilot was rescued about six 361 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 1: hours later after ejection, but it was the aircraft's weapons 362 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:15,600 Speaker 1: systems officer that continued to be missing, and then that's 363 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:19,200 Speaker 1: what that led to the ultimate rescue for I guess 364 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:22,399 Speaker 1: it took a couple of days there, longer than it 365 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 1: did to get the pilot all right. So to wrap 366 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 1: this up for today, we've got this deadline in place. 367 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:32,920 Speaker 1: We don't really know what to make of the deadline tonight. 368 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:36,879 Speaker 1: So leaving aside that for a minute, because we explored 369 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:41,439 Speaker 1: that early, give me your best what is the best 370 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:45,879 Speaker 1: case from your position or your point of view, the 371 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:50,160 Speaker 1: best case scenario about how this might play out. I'm 372 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 1: not talking about the deadline so much as how this 373 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:57,359 Speaker 1: might be brought to a close, how this might be 374 00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:01,480 Speaker 1: brought back in the other direction. What's in the best 375 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 1: interests of trying to get that done? What are the 376 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 1: I don't know two or three things you think are 377 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:11,240 Speaker 1: the key to ending this thing as well as can 378 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:13,440 Speaker 1: be ended under the current circumstance. 379 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:17,399 Speaker 3: I think there's a number of different ways that it 380 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:22,560 Speaker 3: could go. If President Trump and his administration, if their 381 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:29,879 Speaker 3: principal goal still is to secure the enriched uranium, the 382 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:34,359 Speaker 3: weapons great enriched uranium and the uraniums have many tons 383 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:38,720 Speaker 3: of it. That is going to require ground operations in Iran, 384 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:44,760 Speaker 3: and if they can live with not achieving that objective, 385 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:51,200 Speaker 3: but having already reduced at least the conventional military capabilities 386 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:56,720 Speaker 3: of Iran, then I could see this ending through some 387 00:24:56,800 --> 00:25:00,960 Speaker 3: kind of negotiation there seem to have and a fairly 388 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 3: productive channel set up with Pakistan, as we discussed as 389 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:09,199 Speaker 3: a mediator and just agreeing you know what what we 390 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:10,720 Speaker 3: tend to see in the press, and I think this 391 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:14,480 Speaker 3: is the announcements of President Trump and the threats and 392 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:17,960 Speaker 3: then the counter threats from the Iranian the Iranian government. 393 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:22,120 Speaker 3: A lot of that, I think is you know, just posturing. 394 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 3: The negotiations, if they take place behind the scenes, away 395 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 3: from the headlines, will will will be focused on a 396 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:38,200 Speaker 3: much narrower set of achievable things. Uh for example, getting 397 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:42,720 Speaker 3: getting a cease fire would be one of them. And 398 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:47,440 Speaker 3: then insisting that the Iranians open the strength of humor 399 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:52,080 Speaker 3: or moves to to the transit of the the oil ships, 400 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:57,080 Speaker 3: the ships carrying oil. I think that would be an 401 00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 3: important thing also from the United States point of view, 402 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:05,200 Speaker 3: to insist that Iran stop financing it's these various militias 403 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,880 Speaker 3: and other countries in the Middle East. So I guess 404 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:11,680 Speaker 3: to answer your question, I think the way I could 405 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:15,680 Speaker 3: see this ending is through that kind of low key, 406 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:21,320 Speaker 3: behind the scenes negotiations in which each side doesn't get 407 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 3: its maximal position but gets something something fairly sufficient that 408 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,520 Speaker 3: they can live with. That's how I see it. It 409 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:33,000 Speaker 3: could end, at least. 410 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:34,879 Speaker 2: For the time being. I appreciate it. 411 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:37,600 Speaker 3: That'll take time to Dan, that's for sure. 412 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:40,720 Speaker 2: I appreciate the conversation. As always, Mike will be in touch. 413 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:42,640 Speaker 3: My pleasure, Dan, Thank you. 414 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:47,119 Speaker 1: That's Michael Hurley, former CIA officer, serves several tours of duty, 415 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:50,480 Speaker 1: including in the Middle East, worked on the nine to 416 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 1: eleven commission as well. Bradshawn Bryant Kiffin text line has 417 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 1: been red hot for the last half hour. We may 418 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,720 Speaker 1: run through some of those via the six four six 419 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:06,359 Speaker 1: eighty six. We've got Louis coming up in about one hour. 420 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,400 Speaker 1: I've got it done as I want to discuss it's 421 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:13,720 Speaker 1: more locally related or connected, and we'll keep an eye 422 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 1: on that that deadline for later tonight and what indeed 423 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 1: it might mean and where this thing might be headed 424 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,679 Speaker 1: as well. Back after a brief pause, as we continue 425 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 1: the four o'clock hour in. 426 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:24,120 Speaker 3: The fan. 427 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 1: Mile and No I don't mean that literally today, I hope, 428 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:58,680 Speaker 1: I certainly hope that would indeed be the case. Thank 429 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 1: you for each and every one of your texts via 430 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:05,680 Speaker 1: the brats on Brian kfan text line. It's on tilt 431 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,440 Speaker 1: right now and everybody seems to be mad at us, 432 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 1: which is I think probably a good sign. I saw 433 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:14,520 Speaker 1: this story via stardimmune dot com. I think it was 434 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:18,679 Speaker 1: a roper story. Let me give you a couple of 435 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:23,440 Speaker 1: morsels from it. Our cities faced so many intractable problems 436 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,120 Speaker 1: that signs of actual progress sometimes have trouble breaking through 437 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 1: all the gloomy noise. So allow me to shout from 438 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:31,600 Speaker 1: the rooftops. The conditions are getting better on our region's 439 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:35,119 Speaker 1: light rail system, which has suffered reputational collapse in recent 440 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:39,000 Speaker 1: years due to bad passenger behavior. Significant investments by Metro 441 00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 1: Transit have now made it quite common to encounter some 442 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:45,080 Speaker 1: official presence while riding the train. 443 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:45,800 Speaker 2: It's good news. 444 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:51,120 Speaker 1: More eyes on the trains means far fewer smoky commutes. 445 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,360 Speaker 1: Yet many former writers still haven't gotten back on board. 446 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:58,880 Speaker 1: Rail ridership has had in anemic post pandemic recovery, and 447 00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:01,440 Speaker 1: while commuting patterns have changed the light rail is also 448 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:05,760 Speaker 1: dogged by the impression that it is not safe. There's 449 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:08,800 Speaker 1: a quote from the Metro Transit general manager. We are 450 00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,960 Speaker 1: investing in improvements that, over time, I believe will help 451 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:15,480 Speaker 1: us increase ridership. I don't think it's going to be overnight. 452 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,719 Speaker 1: The share of riders reporting feelings safe on trains has 453 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,840 Speaker 1: risen by about eight percent for two consecutive years, but 454 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:25,760 Speaker 1: that brings it to just forty nine percent, so the 455 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:32,200 Speaker 1: mission is far from complete. He writes that Metro Transits 456 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,880 Speaker 1: aggressive interest in curbing problematic behavior could be a lesson 457 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,400 Speaker 1: for other local governments, which have struggled to do the 458 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,480 Speaker 1: same in commercial areas such as uptown, but the agency 459 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 1: was only able to do it because of an infusion 460 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:47,400 Speaker 1: of cash from a new sales tax. The most noticeable 461 00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:51,320 Speaker 1: difference is the army of blue jacketed Transit Rider Investment 462 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:55,200 Speaker 1: Program Agents TRIP agents, who check fares and keep a 463 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:58,200 Speaker 1: watchful eye on light rail and rapid bus lines in 464 00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:00,840 Speaker 1: Their numbers have ballooned one hundred and forty in just 465 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,120 Speaker 1: two years, with plans to reach two hundred and fifteen 466 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:06,240 Speaker 1: by the end of the year. There's also a cadre 467 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:10,360 Speaker 1: of private security staff who patrol key stations as well. 468 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,560 Speaker 1: Metro Transit has developed a homeless Action team and plans 469 00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:18,280 Speaker 1: to begin contracting this year for mental health crisis folks 470 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:22,440 Speaker 1: as well, and that these reinforcements have freed up Metro 471 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:26,320 Speaker 1: Transit police officers to focus on responding to actual crimes 472 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:32,600 Speaker 1: versus checking fairs, which was once one of their primary responsibilities. 473 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,000 Speaker 1: There's a part of me that is here to give 474 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:41,280 Speaker 1: this the bumper and bump or seal of approval, but 475 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:44,000 Speaker 1: there's another part of me that wants to give it 476 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:48,280 Speaker 1: the done ass And ultimately I chose Dunas because I 477 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:56,360 Speaker 1: feel like this should be the minimum, This should be 478 00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:02,760 Speaker 1: the baseline if you believe in mass transit, and I do. 479 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:05,120 Speaker 1: And I know it's harder here than some cities where 480 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:09,400 Speaker 1: it's not as embedded in the culture going back decades 481 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:13,800 Speaker 1: and decades and decades even centuries. But if it ever 482 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:15,760 Speaker 1: was going to have a chance at a place like this, 483 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:20,400 Speaker 1: where the traditions weren't established, then a basic feeling of 484 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:24,760 Speaker 1: safety of not running into whatever one tends to run 485 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:31,080 Speaker 1: into on these trains has to be automatic, has to 486 00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:34,680 Speaker 1: be the baseline, and the notion that we have to 487 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:40,120 Speaker 1: celebrate What did he say, feeling safe on trains? The 488 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:43,360 Speaker 1: share of writers feeling safe has gone up eight percent 489 00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:46,600 Speaker 1: for two consecutive years. That's what we're left to celebrate. 490 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:48,800 Speaker 1: I guess you can do you know, small moves if 491 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:54,440 Speaker 1: you want, but all along, as far as I'm concerned, 492 00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:57,280 Speaker 1: if you don't have it's a lack of emphasis. 493 00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:58,680 Speaker 2: Now he's suggesting it's. 494 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:00,360 Speaker 1: A lack of money, and that maybe part of the 495 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,960 Speaker 1: story too, But I also think it's a lack of will. 496 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:07,400 Speaker 1: I think that's been part of the story. 497 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:08,480 Speaker 2: The will has to be. 498 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:15,800 Speaker 1: People have to trust that when they get on a train, 499 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:21,040 Speaker 1: they can sit mind their own business while away the 500 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:25,040 Speaker 1: time on their phone, read, look out the windows, fall asleep, 501 00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:30,440 Speaker 1: look out the window, pontificate to the person next to 502 00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:32,240 Speaker 1: them if they want to, if they're traveling with somebody, 503 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,120 Speaker 1: or even if they're not traveling with somebody, if there's 504 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:36,640 Speaker 1: chances are they won't be person right next to you 505 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,960 Speaker 1: based on the numbers, that has to be not like 506 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:44,400 Speaker 1: a point of celebration, like that's a goal to get 507 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:48,880 Speaker 1: to that from the beginning has to be an emphasis, 508 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:53,080 Speaker 1: and that shouldn't, in my opinion, be a left versus 509 00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:53,640 Speaker 1: right thing. 510 00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:55,080 Speaker 2: It shouldn't. 511 00:32:56,480 --> 00:33:02,840 Speaker 1: Nothing else matters in a mass transit program. Then the 512 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:07,200 Speaker 1: notion that you may not like the speed, you may 513 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:12,760 Speaker 1: not like the stopping points, whatever, but the one thing 514 00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,320 Speaker 1: you can pretty much count on with very rare exception, 515 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:18,440 Speaker 1: is you're not going to be hassled. You're not going 516 00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:20,840 Speaker 1: to walk into a situation. 517 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:23,080 Speaker 2: And so. 518 00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:28,080 Speaker 1: There's a part of me that says, yeah, it's a 519 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:30,320 Speaker 1: seal of approval, but it's really still more of a 520 00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:36,760 Speaker 1: done as that it's taking this long because I don't 521 00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:37,840 Speaker 1: think it's just money. 522 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:38,440 Speaker 2: I don't. 523 00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:44,120 Speaker 1: I think it's the will to, whether it's law enforcement 524 00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:49,280 Speaker 1: or somebody in that role, to confront if necessary, to 525 00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:53,800 Speaker 1: get involved if necessary. And in this community there's been 526 00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:57,080 Speaker 1: such a fear of that kind of confrontation and what 527 00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:00,640 Speaker 1: it might lead to that I think it has contributed 528 00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:04,480 Speaker 1: to sort of the hands off approach, which has, guess what, 529 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:08,960 Speaker 1: contributed to the fact to a belief that you can 530 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,040 Speaker 1: pretty much get on these trains and do whatever you 531 00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:17,600 Speaker 1: want if you're up to no good, and so anything is, 532 00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:21,600 Speaker 1: you know, any improvement is I guess worth celebrating. But 533 00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:24,600 Speaker 1: it's also, like I said, worth us kind of shaking 534 00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:27,600 Speaker 1: our head and say, really, that's what we're left to celebrate. 535 00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,960 Speaker 1: That's the done as part what should have been obvious 536 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:37,719 Speaker 1: from the beginning regarding what needs to be rooted out 537 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:43,160 Speaker 1: and confronted. For too long, I think has been well, 538 00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:45,080 Speaker 1: that's how bad is it really? And you know what 539 00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:48,919 Speaker 1: is that person bothering you? Well, they just just don't 540 00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:54,080 Speaker 1: worry about it, which sounds good but doesn't encourage the 541 00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:56,600 Speaker 1: notion that you're going to have a I'm not saying 542 00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:59,520 Speaker 1: there's got to be a party experience on a tra 543 00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:02,200 Speaker 1: on mass transit on the. 544 00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:04,480 Speaker 2: Chu Chuo, but it shouldn't. 545 00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:08,480 Speaker 1: You shouldn't have to get on with trepidation about what 546 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:13,719 Speaker 1: you're dealing with. And is it possible that the reality 547 00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,600 Speaker 1: is not as bad as the perception? Maybe, but a 548 00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:19,960 Speaker 1: lot of the perception has been driven by reality. This 549 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:25,160 Speaker 1: story itself would indicate as much. Certainly, there was a 550 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:27,320 Speaker 1: decision made here we need we're going to put greater 551 00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:32,359 Speaker 1: presence and any place you go in the country when 552 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:34,879 Speaker 1: it comes to mass transit, isn't that what most people 553 00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:39,399 Speaker 1: look for? Presence individuals, I mean as simple as I can, 554 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,240 Speaker 1: you know, like to get to your damn rental car 555 00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,160 Speaker 1: at O'Hare. Now you got to get on well you 556 00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:46,759 Speaker 1: can still do buses, I think, but you get on 557 00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:52,359 Speaker 1: a shuttle, and even at O'Hare, before you've lift left 558 00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:56,319 Speaker 1: the terminal in that main area, what do you see. 559 00:35:56,480 --> 00:36:00,080 Speaker 1: You see presence of either police or you see some 560 00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:01,760 Speaker 1: one who might be quasi police. 561 00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:05,040 Speaker 2: There's the sense of if something. 562 00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:06,440 Speaker 1: Gets out of control here, we're going to take a 563 00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,080 Speaker 1: look at it and we're going to intervene on it. 564 00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:13,040 Speaker 1: And and and to me, all this is is confirmation 565 00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:16,680 Speaker 1: that those who have gone, who've been screaming this out forever, 566 00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:21,560 Speaker 1: have been proven right. But it shouldn't have been that difficult, uh, 567 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:25,319 Speaker 1: A challenge to get others to understand the importance of 568 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:29,040 Speaker 1: that issue, because safety on mass transit is everything. You 569 00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:36,200 Speaker 1: have to have people believing they can trust that it's 570 00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:39,799 Speaker 1: reliable and it is safe if you have If you 571 00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:42,840 Speaker 1: don't have that on mass transit, you're dead. Especially in 572 00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:46,000 Speaker 1: a town where it's not embedded. Like I said, in 573 00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:47,600 Speaker 1: the car, you're trying to jump start it, or you're 574 00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:49,839 Speaker 1: trying to jump start exactly it. So in any case, 575 00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:52,200 Speaker 1: anything anything that you I don't know if you saw the. 576 00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:52,759 Speaker 2: Story I did. 577 00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:55,879 Speaker 4: Actually I was talking to someone, I do think lack 578 00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:58,000 Speaker 4: of manpower and woman power has been a big issue 579 00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:00,960 Speaker 4: because I know a lot of police office officers in 580 00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,160 Speaker 4: their spare time, when they're not on the clock for 581 00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:06,760 Speaker 4: their city will go help out with metro transit because 582 00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,960 Speaker 4: they've needed it because there haven't been the right numbers. 583 00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:12,880 Speaker 4: And one individual because there's a couple of different things 584 00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:15,719 Speaker 4: that make it unsafe. It's the actual crime or the 585 00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:20,800 Speaker 4: appearance of unsafe. It's the crime where people are getting 586 00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:23,319 Speaker 4: hassled or things are going on, and then it's the 587 00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:26,480 Speaker 4: mental health part of it, where people are just having breakdowns. Yes, 588 00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:31,120 Speaker 4: And one individual describes to me as the it's a 589 00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:34,560 Speaker 4: floating mental health issue that just goes from downtown to 590 00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:37,080 Speaker 4: the airport, to the mall, wherever it's going. It just 591 00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:40,959 Speaker 4: it moves, And the mental health stuff is really hard 592 00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:44,000 Speaker 4: to stop and really hard to do anything about, and 593 00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:46,759 Speaker 4: you need to actually worry about the actual crime. So 594 00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:49,239 Speaker 4: while you're going to take care of that, the rest 595 00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:52,000 Speaker 4: of the stuff is so they need more people. It 596 00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:55,000 Speaker 4: was the bottom line of the conversation that I had, Yes, But. 597 00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:59,600 Speaker 1: I also, again I don't think in some parts of 598 00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:05,080 Speaker 1: the polite spectrum there was much interest in that part 599 00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:05,880 Speaker 1: of the story. 600 00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:07,759 Speaker 2: It was what are you afraid of? Exactly? What what do 601 00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,040 Speaker 2: you mean? Because I give you an example. 602 00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:12,160 Speaker 1: I've got a text here from an individual says, well, 603 00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,279 Speaker 1: when people perceive their feeling unsafe, how much of that 604 00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:19,640 Speaker 1: is they just see homeless individuals and minorities. Now, I'm 605 00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:21,640 Speaker 1: not going to sit here and vouch for every person 606 00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:24,400 Speaker 1: and how they might overreact to a situation, but I 607 00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,880 Speaker 1: honestly believe most people who are in a position to 608 00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:31,719 Speaker 1: use mass transit don't care whether it's a minority or 609 00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:35,160 Speaker 1: a majority, someone who is quote unquote homeless or not. 610 00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:39,640 Speaker 1: They don't want to be hassled. And in some cases 611 00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:41,839 Speaker 1: some of the homeless individuals you're talking about there may 612 00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:46,000 Speaker 1: be mental challenges and issues to your point there, and 613 00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:51,640 Speaker 1: individuals who are caught in that malstrom are also capable 614 00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:57,360 Speaker 1: of making it harder for other people to just feel safe, 615 00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:03,799 Speaker 1: whether indeed that individual represents anybody who's actually dangerous. You 616 00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:07,160 Speaker 1: cannot have if you're doing it right, you can't have 617 00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:10,800 Speaker 1: the trains be a housing station for homeless people. 618 00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:12,720 Speaker 2: It is fraught. 619 00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:16,160 Speaker 1: It may lead to no difficulty, but it may well 620 00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:20,480 Speaker 1: lead to difficulty as well, and I'll say again, Yeah, 621 00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:23,719 Speaker 1: I think it's manpower, but I think I think it's 622 00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:27,200 Speaker 1: some part of the political circles. 623 00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:31,239 Speaker 2: It's it's been dismissed as not just part of city life. 624 00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:31,360 Speaker 5: Man. 625 00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:32,719 Speaker 2: You got to understand there's going to be or you're 626 00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:34,239 Speaker 2: going to see say you're not You're not in the 627 00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:35,240 Speaker 2: suburbs anymore. 628 00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:38,879 Speaker 1: And I'll say again, you can go with that if 629 00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:41,120 Speaker 1: you want, if it makes you feel better, but it's 630 00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:46,160 Speaker 1: not addressing the issues that, again, are supposed to be 631 00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:50,960 Speaker 1: about maximizing what I think most people believe is an 632 00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:55,080 Speaker 1: important enterprise for our present and our future, what mass 633 00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:59,560 Speaker 1: transit when it is well used and as an effective 634 00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:04,200 Speaker 1: tool in terms of the entire transportation platform, or whatever 635 00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:08,560 Speaker 1: else you might want to. Indeed, indeed call it UH 636 00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,359 Speaker 1: six four six eighty six is the Bradshaw and Bryant 637 00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:15,160 Speaker 1: k f A N text line as well. 638 00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:17,279 Speaker 2: You can pause here. 639 00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:20,160 Speaker 1: Oh that's right, I got uh, I got behind my 640 00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:22,680 Speaker 1: bad we went along with Michael Hurley. I'm glad you 641 00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:25,600 Speaker 1: reminded me. We'll go we'll break in break now and 642 00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:28,080 Speaker 1: then get a short segment. Prepare for Top five at five. 643 00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:31,279 Speaker 1: Don't forget lou Nanny on your favorite hockey team, can 644 00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:34,600 Speaker 1: they catch the Dallas Stars? And does he care whether 645 00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:46,919 Speaker 1: they catch the Dallas Stars. 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A couple of texts 654 00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:25,160 Speaker 1: to get into regarding are done as combination, done as seal. 655 00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:27,640 Speaker 2: Of approval issue. 656 00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:32,759 Speaker 1: We were just discussing matt in Saint Paul writes, I 657 00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:34,400 Speaker 1: have to bring up my issues with light rail. I 658 00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:35,880 Speaker 1: actually had someone accused me to my face, and I'm 659 00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:39,120 Speaker 1: probably just uncomfortable unhoused people. I replied that I used 660 00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:40,880 Speaker 1: to live in the Bronx and was much more comfortable 661 00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:45,600 Speaker 1: with mass transit there, and they basically doubled down as well. 662 00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:49,680 Speaker 2: He finds that quite frustrating. 663 00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:56,560 Speaker 1: Again, you can be humane about dealing with individuals who 664 00:41:56,600 --> 00:42:01,759 Speaker 1: are in difficult circumstance. No, I don't think it's impossible 665 00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:05,640 Speaker 1: to do that. But again, I don't think you give 666 00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:08,880 Speaker 1: any of these enterprises the best chance if you do 667 00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:14,480 Speaker 1: not acknowledge the problem. And I think for too long 668 00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,160 Speaker 1: there has been a dismissal of the problem on the 669 00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:20,799 Speaker 1: basis of those issues where you're just you're just uncomfortable. 670 00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:25,240 Speaker 1: Why is that individual bothering you? When there are numerous 671 00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:34,120 Speaker 1: examples of what that can lead to, confrontations, difficulties. It's 672 00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:38,000 Speaker 1: just not something that, certainly on a regular basis, you 673 00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:40,560 Speaker 1: should have to deal with on trains. And the way 674 00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:44,880 Speaker 1: you have a better chance to feel a little safer 675 00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:49,160 Speaker 1: in that regard is if you have either law enforcement 676 00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:52,759 Speaker 1: present or individuals who work for that part of law 677 00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:56,200 Speaker 1: enforcement present as well. There's got to be a will 678 00:42:56,920 --> 00:43:01,200 Speaker 1: that people have a if leaning back up, there are 679 00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:06,480 Speaker 1: no rights here, but it's strategic. If your goal is 680 00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:10,200 Speaker 1: to make mass transit as vibrant and as successful as 681 00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:13,399 Speaker 1: possible for all the obvious reasons. If that's the goal, 682 00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:17,120 Speaker 1: then you cannot ignore this aspect of the story on 683 00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:18,800 Speaker 1: the basis of well what do you what are you 684 00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:19,279 Speaker 1: scared of? 685 00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:23,720 Speaker 2: Exactly? You're You're you're not going to get anywhere. 686 00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:27,360 Speaker 1: You're not showing to me you're serious about the issue 687 00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:32,200 Speaker 1: if ultimately that's the goal. And again, I don't think 688 00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:36,240 Speaker 1: that should necessarily be a lefty thing or a righty 689 00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:40,200 Speaker 1: thing at at all. There are a couple of people 690 00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:45,720 Speaker 1: talking about mental health issues, which which has become unquestionably 691 00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:48,080 Speaker 1: part of the story. 692 00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:51,360 Speaker 2: Six five to one guy rights. 693 00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:53,440 Speaker 1: I've written trains all over the world in New York, Tokyo, 694 00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:57,040 Speaker 1: d C, London, Paris, even on the queue from Rigo 695 00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:58,920 Speaker 1: Park back home from work late at night. The T 696 00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:03,240 Speaker 1: twin City is the only line I had problems on drugs, crime, 697 00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:09,080 Speaker 1: et cetera. And why do the Metro transit cars drive 698 00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:11,719 Speaker 1: in cars get on the train like they do in 699 00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:15,520 Speaker 1: New York. Well, I think this story seems to indicate 700 00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:17,120 Speaker 1: there is more of that taking place. 701 00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:17,799 Speaker 2: I don't know. 702 00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:20,719 Speaker 1: I can't speak to those what that approach is or 703 00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:24,360 Speaker 1: what those numbers actually represent. 704 00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:29,080 Speaker 2: I'm not sure. Can you make perfection in any situation 705 00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:30,000 Speaker 2: in a city? No. 706 00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:34,919 Speaker 1: I think actually most people understand that as well. It's 707 00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:37,359 Speaker 1: not going to be a perfect score. But there has 708 00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:42,160 Speaker 1: to be signs given to writers that you're trying. And 709 00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:44,880 Speaker 1: let's be honest. For too long, there was just not 710 00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:51,040 Speaker 1: that much indication that this was considered a priority. Now, 711 00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:55,760 Speaker 1: along with what appears to be some funding, it's looking 712 00:44:55,840 --> 00:45:00,120 Speaker 1: more like a priority again, where a greater effort is 713 00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:01,240 Speaker 1: being shown for a lot of people. 714 00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:03,080 Speaker 2: I think that's all they're looking for, just a little 715 00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:03,560 Speaker 2: bit of effort. 716 00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:08,920 Speaker 4: Top five Wolves Wild Twins National Championship and which coach 717 00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:13,040 Speaker 4: went signetti on it and told his team google me