1 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 1: My deep dive into the mediocre nature of this sports 2 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:26,480 Speaker 1: market from a men's professional sports standpoint is never ending. 3 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 1: We explored this again yesterday early in the show, and 4 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:38,159 Speaker 1: my latest deep dive was to go back, what's this year? 5 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:40,519 Speaker 1: Is it twenty twenty five? I went back to the 6 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 1: year two thousand, so quarter century, quarter century the last 7 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:50,080 Speaker 1: twenty five years. And these numbers are unofficial because I 8 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 1: did them in a hurry, So I'll try to stand 9 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 1: by them, but I'm not going to pretend they might 10 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 1: not be like one or two off. 11 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 2: But I don't think they'd be much off. And here's 12 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 2: what I have. 13 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 1: Over the last twenty five years. Because a lot of 14 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 1: what we discussed yesterday was our lack of playoffs success. Right, 15 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 1: the Wild have not gotten out of the first round 16 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 1: in a decade. The Wolves finally have turned it, it seems, 17 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 1: after you know, not making the playoffs it felt like forever. 18 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:26,959 Speaker 1: The Twins have been in and out on that, Vikings 19 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 1: have been in and out on that. But the emphasis 20 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 1: was on, well, once the few times we got there, 21 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:35,400 Speaker 1: what did we do? And you know, in the case 22 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:39,760 Speaker 1: of the Wolves, they've been now to the conference finals 23 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:44,479 Speaker 1: three times they got there. What twenty some years ago 24 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 1: and then finally got back the last two years. That's 25 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 1: the nice change. The wild have done it once, very 26 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 1: early in their history. The Vikings have done it a 27 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 1: few times, but then they really haven't been competitive, most 28 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 1: recently when they got there to the NFC title run. 29 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 1: I guess you would say, but there's another side to 30 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 1: this that I think also should be emphasized in reinforcing 31 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:13,640 Speaker 1: just how bad we've had it here without maybe even 32 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:19,360 Speaker 1: realizing it. If you go back to two thousand, I 33 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 1: have the wild Wolves, Twins and Vikings missing the playoffs entirely, 34 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 1: a combined fifty seven times. 35 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 3: The stories a stadium could. 36 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 2: Tell fifty seven. All this negativity that's in this town sucks. 37 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 1: Now, Let's remember something. It doesn't take a lot to 38 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:43,639 Speaker 1: make the NBA playoffs. It doesn't take a lot. Well, 39 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 1: maybe it doesn't that you could argue in the Western 40 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:48,800 Speaker 1: Conference these days, but in general, doesn't take a lot. 41 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:52,799 Speaker 1: It's not a banner worthy achievement to make the playoffs 42 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 1: in the Stanley Cup playoffs. 43 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:56,079 Speaker 2: Correct, in the NHL. 44 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 1: Baseball it's becoming less and less a badge of honor, 45 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 1: just the act of getting there. You could say, it's 46 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 1: been a little more challenging. Fewer teams than football than 47 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 1: the hockey and basketball, and in the case of the Vikings, 48 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 1: even that, there's been a little bit of inflation, right 49 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 1: because we've added some teams as well. 50 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 2: Fifty seven times we haven't even gotten there. 51 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 1: And for the record, here's our since two thousand, those 52 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 1: four teams combined record in the postseason eighty six victories, 53 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:31,080 Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty one losses. 54 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 3: Did you see the game? 55 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 2: Eighty six. 56 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 3: And one f one. 57 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 2: You want to do the winning percentageize, don't. 58 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 3: It's not very good. 59 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 2: It can't. It doesn't sound very good, does it. 60 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 4: Know? 61 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 2: Somebody and I forgot to save it. 62 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 1: When we got into this yesterday morning, somebody did the 63 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 1: deep dive in a different way. 64 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 2: They compared. We're one of the few markets. 65 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 1: How many markets have the big four sports on the 66 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 1: men's side. 67 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 3: That's a good question. I don't know. 68 00:03:58,040 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 2: It's the top of my head. 69 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 1: York, Yeah, Boston, Chicago, Chicago, Los Angeles, Philadelphia, Detroit. There 70 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 1: aren't that many the Las Boston, yeah. And the number 71 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 1: of of of markets lay back up of the of 72 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 1: the markets that have all the teams. Our overall winning 73 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:21,280 Speaker 1: percentage was dead last Yeah, probably not close, and. 74 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:22,040 Speaker 2: It wasn't close. 75 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 1: And there were we were like in the three hundreds, 76 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:27,600 Speaker 1: and there were a few markets that were over collectively 77 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:28,920 Speaker 1: over five hundred. 78 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:32,040 Speaker 2: And there's sports radios. Yeah, that's it. 79 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 1: That explains it. Yeah, it's not good. This has been 80 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 1: a depressing a couple of days. I'm not gonna lie. 81 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:40,159 Speaker 1: The rain I think got to you. I think the 82 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:42,480 Speaker 1: gloominess got to you this week that you want to 83 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:45,359 Speaker 1: go down this road and revisit this path. Well, just 84 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 1: because it is something that we all know in the 85 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:48,919 Speaker 1: back of our minds, but I think it's one of 86 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 1: those things you. 87 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 2: Have to you have to reemphasize it. 88 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:53,839 Speaker 1: Pain, Like a therapist would say, it's a pain that 89 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 1: you haven't dealt with. Correct, It's a pain that you're suppressing. 90 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 1: It's a pain that you're leaving down there. And those pains, 91 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 1: those the dangerous ones, I believe, because you got to 92 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:05,600 Speaker 1: deal with them at some point. The longer you suppress them, 93 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:08,360 Speaker 1: they just sit there. And this has been one of 94 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:10,280 Speaker 1: those weekends where it doesn't feel good to get all 95 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 1: of this out, and unfortunately, I don't think it's going 96 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 1: to make us feel any better though, which is the 97 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 1: point now of trying to get all of this stuff 98 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 1: out very very That's sad but true. I would say 99 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:21,720 Speaker 1: you got to deal with the feeling. You gotta get 100 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 1: the feelings out. Well, I think you do. 101 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 4: You have to. 102 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:25,159 Speaker 1: You have to hit it head on. I think you 103 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 1: can't run from it or pretend it's not true. But 104 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 1: also for me, part of this is not forgetting it, 105 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 1: because I do think you get so immune to it, 106 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 1: almost som numb to it, that you raw. 107 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 2: You forget that. No it you people don't have a. 108 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 1: Right to be mad at you if you're frustrated, so 109 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 1: well catch be more positive about It's like, well, positivity 110 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 1: is in part based on performance and on history, and 111 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:53,160 Speaker 1: we got a lot of bad history. We really do 112 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:56,279 Speaker 1: that that's gone on way too long. And maybe, as 113 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:59,160 Speaker 1: the theory was offered up by Clayton yesterday, it all 114 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 1: goes back to this date, this very date, nineteen ninety one, 115 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:06,800 Speaker 1: the curse of the Halloween Blizzard. Never thought of that, 116 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 1: I don't know, because everything has seemed to change since 117 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 1: the Halloween Blizzard. On the men's side, yeah, we keep 118 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 1: going with that qualifier. 119 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 2: We're aware. 120 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 1: On the women's side, but on the on the we 121 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:23,240 Speaker 1: got the frisbee team. That's true finals this last year. 122 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, very true. 123 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 1: So save your emails. But that's the clear line of demarcation, 124 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 1: isn't it. Yeah, when you think about it, that's our 125 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:33,479 Speaker 1: billy goat for sure. It's not and I don't know 126 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:35,280 Speaker 1: what we do with that, and it's not encouraging. Did 127 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 1: you see the I retweeted it the text the tweet 128 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 1: from Clayton today Hollywood or should say Halloween blizzard curse 129 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 1: Mount Pinatubo interrupted earlier that summer and may have played 130 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 1: a role. Coloney and Wahlberg dealing with the perfect storm 131 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:54,279 Speaker 1: in the Atlantic funneled the jet stream our way minus 132 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 1: I should say thirty eight inches of snow fell into 133 00:06:56,440 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 1: luth and twenty twenty nine would be thirty eight years. 134 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:01,720 Speaker 1: Think about it, Well, that might be stretching it, that 135 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 1: last one Clayton goodness, but. 136 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:07,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's uh, we were all there for it. What 137 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:08,920 Speaker 2: we have to figure out is. 138 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 1: What's the strategy for if that's the curse, how do 139 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 1: you reverse that curse? 140 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 2: Yes, that's what we're trying to figure out. That's what 141 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 2: we're not sure of. 142 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 1: Is it have to be like I said in El 143 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 1: Nino October, whereas the it's eighty degrees and there's a tornado. 144 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 1: Feel like we've had those. Yeah, we have good heandos 145 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 1: or La ninas, whatever we're supposed to have. I don't know. 146 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 1: Maybe it's another blizzard. It's very difficult to say. All right, 147 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 1: let's try to get some bonus bucks going, shall we. Yes, 148 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 1: The fan of two men and a junk truck want 149 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 1: to give you a shot to win bonus bucks. It 150 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 1: is our national cash contest. Final keyword of the four 151 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 1: o'clock Hour this week is money. Go to cafe in 152 00:07:44,520 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 1: dot com and enter the keyword money. Ben Gesslin coming 153 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 1: up bottom of the hour. Leavelle is scheduled for five 154 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 1: point thirty tonight. Do you know if we have on 155 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 1: this show any. 156 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 2: Credible mid dot sources. 157 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 1: I'm guessing we don't because I have over the years 158 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 1: ripped them as often as I have, and I understand 159 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 1: that's now hanging fruit and everybody likes doing it and 160 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 1: it's cliched and all that stuff, And I feel like 161 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 1: we would have because of that, gotten some mid dot sources. 162 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:33,199 Speaker 1: You know, people that say, hey, you're off on this, 163 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 1: or well you pull this threat, Maybe you'd have the 164 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:43,080 Speaker 1: answer to the question, do we have any notion as 165 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 1: to when the absolute major war zone like construction that's 166 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 1: taking place on off of three ninety four right near 167 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:57,119 Speaker 1: us on Louisiana and Xenia Park place, when that project, 168 00:08:57,160 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 1: which looks like by the way at the end of 169 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 1: it isn't going to be that much more efficient than 170 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:04,320 Speaker 1: what we have right now. I hate to say it's. 171 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 2: Starting to come together, you can tell, but I'm not 172 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 2: exactly what we're going to get out of it. 173 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 1: Is there any estimate because it doesn't look to me 174 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 1: like it will be done until the spring? Oh really, 175 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 1: I think it looks like it's almost done, does at 176 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 1: least in one of the exits. But I don't know 177 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:22,719 Speaker 1: if there are more optimistic maybe people you probably are, Uh, 178 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:24,679 Speaker 1: there may be people out there that can answer the question, 179 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 1: because you know, my pet, Peeve I've talked about it 180 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 1: is that to this point, the way they've done it, 181 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 1: they did not need to shut both exits down. 182 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 2: They could have found a. 183 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 1: Way, at least for a portion of this period to 184 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 1: keep one of them open instead of we'll do them 185 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 1: back to back so that we're inconveniencing everybody who wants 186 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 1: to get off on either of those very busy exits 187 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 1: in the What would that technically be Saint Louis Park 188 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 1: or Minneapolis. I don't even know Louis Park, and. 189 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 2: Help on that. 190 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 1: Let me know this is also this isn't traffic or 191 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:04,440 Speaker 1: construction related, but it is driving related. Nothing scientific about this. 192 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 1: Maybe it's just bad luck, but has something when it 193 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 1: comes to the rules of the road, one of them 194 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 1: that I grew up with was that when you are 195 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 1: on a dark road where there are not a lot 196 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 1: of street lights and visibility can be a bit challenging, 197 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:28,719 Speaker 1: you have an opportunity to put on what they call 198 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:29,439 Speaker 1: in the business, or. 199 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:30,720 Speaker 2: They used to call your bright lights. 200 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, an extra headlight, whatever it is, whatever constitutes 201 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 1: bright lights. 202 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 3: Right. 203 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 2: But the rule of thumb that most of us were taught. 204 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:46,080 Speaker 1: Was that as quickly as possible, when someone in their 205 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:50,280 Speaker 1: car is coming from the other direction, you turn your 206 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:54,559 Speaker 1: bright lights off so they're not blinded trying to go 207 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 1: by you. Is that message no longer conveyed? 208 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 4: Is it? 209 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 2: Nobody cares? 210 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 1: I will tell you that in the last three weeks, 211 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 1: multiple double digit occasions in which I've run across this 212 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 1: where it's really the people coming from there. They've got 213 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 1: their brights on, and no matter what you do to 214 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:23,439 Speaker 1: try to remind them, they just keep them on. 215 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:25,840 Speaker 2: So is it I don't care? 216 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:27,200 Speaker 3: Is it? 217 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:30,079 Speaker 1: I'm not really affecting you, so it shouldn't matter. Even 218 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 1: though it does affect you, it can't affect you. What's 219 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 1: the deal? How difficult is it to remember to turn 220 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 1: off your bright bleeping lights? I didn't think it was 221 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:42,839 Speaker 1: that big of a challenge, but it appears to me 222 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 1: it's becoming that. I'm curious if other people are having 223 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:48,320 Speaker 1: that experience that you're having, because I don't recall having 224 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 1: that recently. Really, No, maybe it's just my Larry David 225 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:53,840 Speaker 1: like battle, Yeah, people are finding you. 226 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 3: Yeah. 227 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 1: I feel like I always see people power down. Sometimes 228 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 1: it feels like people hit a bump in the road 229 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 1: or whatever and their lights get brighter for like a 230 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:06,439 Speaker 1: split second and they kind of like flash right at 231 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:08,719 Speaker 1: you and then drop down. I don't know, and a 232 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 1: lot of cars now away. You know, I'll be honest. 233 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 1: Sometimes you forget sure and so then you if you 234 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 1: are signaled though by the other person, that's oh, you're right, 235 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 1: My bad man. I'll turn them down. Sorry, it shouldn't 236 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 1: be that difficult. But we got people who maybe they 237 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 1: don't even do they are there people who have it's 238 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 1: been so long since they've taken a driver's test, for example, 239 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 1: because I don't even think it would give them anymore 240 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 1: that they don't even know that. That's the rule of thought. 241 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:39,439 Speaker 1: That's thing that No, No, it's dark around here and 242 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 1: they I'm not really affecting anybody else. I'm just going 243 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 1: to keep my bright lights on to because it helps 244 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 1: me see better. I think all this goes back to 245 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:49,719 Speaker 1: Parrington parenting, probably because I can vividly remember, you know, 246 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 1: and you've got family to live in Iowa and Wisconsin. 247 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:55,320 Speaker 1: You're on a lot of two lane dark roads at night, 248 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:59,719 Speaker 1: driving for the holidays or family activities, graduations at the 249 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:04,200 Speaker 1: University Minnesota. And I remember my parents always tell me 250 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:06,200 Speaker 1: when I'm a kid, when I was a kid, yeah, 251 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:08,439 Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta power down. You go brights when 252 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 1: you can, but you gotta power down because you got 253 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:12,200 Speaker 1: to help out the other drivers too. 254 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 2: It all goes back to parenting. It's not just your road. 255 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 1: Like if we just say it's just not your your 256 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:21,440 Speaker 1: commercial aircraft. You're not in a private plane around with 257 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 1: other people. We struck a nerve because there are a 258 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 1: number of people who are weighing in on this, and 259 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:32,719 Speaker 1: they're adding some interesting wrinkles. For example, today, these new 260 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 1: car headlights are so bright they look like bright lights. 261 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 2: I wondered that too. 262 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:41,080 Speaker 1: If you flash them and nothing happens, that's possible. To 263 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 1: that point, Hendo, these new crazy bright led headlights. Hate them. 264 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:49,679 Speaker 1: Those are their low beams. Now, I am aware of 265 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 1: some of that, but in most of the cases I'm 266 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 1: looking at not the brightness, but it's the it's it's 267 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 1: the cars that have two headlights and they're not both 268 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 1: supposed to be on. If if you are if you 269 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 1: do not have your bright lights on, I don't believe 270 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 1: to that point. Hold On, I had a good one 271 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 1: here where they're coming in fast. This was from a 272 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 1: I think a delivery driver problem. I like these, Yeah, 273 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 1: I know LEDs. Dan just did a complete Jerry Seinfeld, 274 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 1: What is the deal with? What's the deal without Carl that? 275 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 2: Where did it go? 276 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 1: The Curby enthusiasm, Larry David getting tpee because he refused 277 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 1: to give yes like some eighteen year olds, Candy and 278 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 1: Curby enthusiasm. It's outstanding, There's no question it's it's one 279 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 1: of the best. Lots of new cars today have automatic 280 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 1: brights and you just let the car do it for you. 281 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 3: Correct. 282 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 1: Those are the beautiful people cars. You have the thing 283 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 1: my ram truck. I never have to touch it. We're 284 00:14:57,560 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 1: happy for you and your ram truck. 285 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 2: Dan, It's not just you. 286 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 1: I'm a professional delivery driver and I get this fifty 287 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 1: thousand times a week now. 288 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 2: Again, the led part is part of the story, but. 289 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 1: I'm not buying that's that explains all of it. I 290 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 1: think it's another example of we all are so self 291 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 1: absorbed that we literally think that we when we're out 292 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 1: on the road or on an airplane or in public, 293 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 1: we don't have to mess with anybody else. I mean, 294 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 1: this happened good example of this. Can't remember the name 295 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 1: of the store I took g and a couple of 296 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 1: her buddies to. This was several weeks ago, mall of hysteria. 297 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 1: This was for a prom and they all wanted to 298 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 1: go to the same outlet. I cannot remember the name 299 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 1: of the place. All I know is the line. It 300 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 1: was easy enough to get in, but the line to 301 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:03,920 Speaker 1: try something on was literally an hour long. So I 302 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:06,240 Speaker 1: just am doing laps while, you know, while they're waiting 303 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 1: in line, and they got into I mean that a 304 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 1: woman with a stroller I presume a young kid as well, 305 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 1: just decided that she couldn't wait. 306 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 2: She just decided I can't wait. 307 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 1: So I am going to force my way into this line, 308 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 1: basically saying I'm sorry, I can't wait. You're gonna have 309 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 1: to let me in the percentage of individuals I believe 310 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 1: capable of that kind of haughtiness. It's always existed, but 311 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 1: I think it's way up and it's all part of 312 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 1: the same piece, this this self absorption notion that I 313 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 1: my time is more valuable. No, no, you're not as 314 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 1: busy as me. You can't be as busy as me. 315 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 1: And I need to get in there. And by the way, 316 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 1: there are people and God bless them, in the checkout 317 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 1: line at the grocery store, and I give credit. They'll 318 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:04,359 Speaker 1: see somebody behind them. They'll have like thirty items and 319 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:06,719 Speaker 1: they'll see somebody behind them has four, and they'll go, 320 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:08,960 Speaker 1: you go ahead of me. The people I melt when 321 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 1: people do that. That's amazing. I buy all their stuff. 322 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:13,679 Speaker 1: I'm not sure I'm even capable of it. But I 323 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:17,200 Speaker 1: but I. But that's the sign that that's the behavior 324 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 1: where you go, well, that's someone who gets it that 325 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 1: the world doesn't revolve around them. And then you got 326 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:23,480 Speaker 1: these chumblones. And I'm gonna put my brights on. I 327 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 1: don't care. I'm gonna take my shoes and socks off 328 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 1: in the in the in the in the airplane, I 329 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:30,199 Speaker 1: don't care. I don't care what my feet look like 330 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:32,000 Speaker 1: or smell like, doesn't matter. You're just gonna have to 331 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:32,520 Speaker 1: deal with it. 332 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:35,399 Speaker 2: I bought it. I bought a seat. It's my seat. 333 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:38,359 Speaker 1: Or I'm gonna keep my brides on, or I'm gonna 334 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 1: you know, I'm just gonna butt in line. And by 335 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 1: the way, in this case, you're trying, as an adult 336 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:47,920 Speaker 1: to intimidate adolescent girls largely, you know, which is another 337 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:49,880 Speaker 1: thing that that really annoyed me about the whole thing. 338 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 1: You're just trying to scare them. To their credit, they 339 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:53,920 Speaker 1: didn't they didn't budge. 340 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 2: They said, what. 341 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 1: I mean, come on, there's a there's a GUARDSI line. 342 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:02,440 Speaker 1: We'd still be in line there, so perrero in line. 343 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:05,040 Speaker 1: They weren't getting oh that's too good. All right, let's 344 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:07,200 Speaker 1: do this. Let's pause. Maybe we can get to the 345 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 1: bottom of this controversy and talk to Ben Gestling about 346 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:16,240 Speaker 1: the Vikings latest injury updates his confidence level for Vikings Lions. 347 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 1: Is this the week the Vikings can indeed plant their feet? 348 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:22,119 Speaker 1: How important is it that they attempt to do so? 349 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 1: Ben is next right here in the fan. Time now 350 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 1: for the Vikings Report on the Fan, presented by Miller Lyte. 351 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:34,200 Speaker 1: Vikings wide receiver Adam Thielen joins Dan Burrero. 352 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:51,640 Speaker 4: Next. 353 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:56,399 Speaker 1: Questions for Ben Gesling hit the branch on Brian k 354 00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 1: f a N text line six four six eighty six. 355 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:02,400 Speaker 1: One of the great things about doing a radio show 356 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 1: rather than being on television is you do not have 357 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:09,359 Speaker 1: to on Halloween feel obligated to go to Drosoprokos to 358 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 1: every show on ESPN, even Cornheiser and Wilbon. 359 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:17,359 Speaker 2: My God, radio doesn't matter. 360 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 1: Well, I guess it can matter if we're a show 361 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:22,520 Speaker 1: that is live streamed, but we rarely are in that position. 362 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 1: We're lucky if anybody's still here by the time we're 363 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 1: on at three o'clock Friday. Ben Gestling is with us 364 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 1: via the Kinnectico Water Systems hotline brought to you by 365 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 1: our great friends at Standard Heating and Air Conditioning. Do 366 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 1: not forget to get in on the action for a 367 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 1: furnace check as we prepare for winter through Standard Heating 368 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:45,200 Speaker 1: and Air guessing. 369 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 2: I'll ask you, you're not in the well. 370 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 1: You're in a business that's becoming more visual, even the 371 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 1: inkstained retch business. Now you guys got to do videos, 372 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:59,120 Speaker 1: et cetera. So was there any pressure today to get 373 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:01,159 Speaker 1: dressed up in some I'm kind of a costume for 374 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:03,640 Speaker 1: any of the video stuff that you guys occasionally do 375 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:04,920 Speaker 1: at the Start Tribune. 376 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:08,119 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I did shoot a video today, but no, 377 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 5: I felt no great pressure to be in a costume. 378 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:13,199 Speaker 5: I was trying to think when I was in my 379 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 5: ESPN days, if I ever was on TV on Halloween, 380 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:19,399 Speaker 5: and if that ever came up, I don't recall. I mean, 381 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:21,359 Speaker 5: the Viking's played on Halloween. I think one of my 382 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 5: maybe my last year at ESPN, it was a Monday 383 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:27,200 Speaker 5: night game. But no, I don't think I've ever had 384 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:30,159 Speaker 5: to do it. I think my usual joke would be 385 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 5: that I'm going dressed as a reporter who didn't have 386 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:36,480 Speaker 5: time to think of anything clever. So but no nothing 387 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:40,960 Speaker 5: today that was requiring me to be particularly festive for 388 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:42,679 Speaker 5: the holiday, at least on camera. 389 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:46,400 Speaker 1: Well, the closest we came to it, Lori Fisher, who 390 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:51,280 Speaker 1: executive produces the Enough Said program and joins us weekly, 391 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 1: has already I mean, she's worn five different costumes this week, 392 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 1: and I did go along with because I knew she'd 393 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 1: be bitter if I didn't. She found I think she 394 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 1: said her mom bought some like so called scary masks 395 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 1: too from Walmart and gave one to me, one to 396 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 1: guard Zy, one to her, and for one of our 397 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:18,359 Speaker 1: promotional things, we all wore the silly masks. That's the 398 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:21,960 Speaker 1: closest that I think that I have indeed come to it. 399 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:24,600 Speaker 1: So I'm glad you did not have to get dragged 400 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:27,200 Speaker 1: down into that muck all that much. 401 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:28,159 Speaker 3: Tell us. 402 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:33,360 Speaker 1: Did I read this rite that those of you who 403 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:38,920 Speaker 1: attended the KFC presser today came away from it fairly 404 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:42,920 Speaker 1: optimistic or that the coach seemed reasonably optimistic that both 405 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:47,479 Speaker 1: of our starting tackles offensive tackles might play on Sunday. 406 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:50,240 Speaker 5: Yes, that is in fact the case, and I think 407 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:53,119 Speaker 5: they will have to figure out a little bit of it. 408 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 3: As you go towards it. 409 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 5: I mean, Christian Darisaw got a limited portion of work today. 410 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 3: After being full on Wednesday. 411 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 5: This has kind of been the pattern they've been in 412 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:05,720 Speaker 5: with him as he comes back from that knee injury. 413 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:08,520 Speaker 5: But yeah, I think they're optimistic about him. And then 414 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 5: Brian O'Neil was full today, So yes, I think there's 415 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 5: a good chance they have both of them on Sunday. 416 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:17,679 Speaker 5: And I think O'Neil is probably as big of a 417 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:21,200 Speaker 5: deal as anybody given the fact that Aiden Hutchinson lines 418 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:23,439 Speaker 5: up on that side of the line more often, so 419 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 5: O'Neil will get a lot of that work if he 420 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:28,200 Speaker 5: is in fact out there at right tackle. But yeah, 421 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:32,400 Speaker 5: there's optimism optimism about those two. And then Andrew van Ginkel. 422 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:35,159 Speaker 5: We should see him for the first time in a 423 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 5: few weeks here as well. 424 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:37,440 Speaker 3: He was a full participant all week. 425 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:40,320 Speaker 5: Sounds like he's got a good chance to play on Sunday. 426 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:44,399 Speaker 1: Let's examine a little more depth of darisaw story, because 427 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:47,639 Speaker 1: it has struck me this week that, if nothing else, 428 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:51,240 Speaker 1: what we seem to be learning is that the Vikings 429 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:55,560 Speaker 1: messaging on Darisaw has not been particularly effective because what 430 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 1: Darisaw has basically said is hey, look all along, it's 431 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:00,200 Speaker 1: a twelve month deal. And actually I was at little 432 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 1: bit ahead and now maybe a little bit behind, but 433 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 1: we all should have known all along that this is 434 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 1: going to be part of the process. And I don't 435 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:11,639 Speaker 1: I'm not disputing that, but in the trenches with you guys, 436 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 1: I don't since throughout training camp and even to the 437 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:18,239 Speaker 1: start of the season that that was the message that 438 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:21,919 Speaker 1: the Vikings had been sending. And it's it's it's a 439 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,320 Speaker 1: challenge because you don't want to say, well, he's not 440 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 1: going to be ready. But to me, I think they 441 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:29,880 Speaker 1: could have done a better job protecting Darisaw a little bit, 442 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:35,160 Speaker 1: unless you'll tell me they might be as surprised as 443 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:37,359 Speaker 1: everybody else is on the way this thing has gone 444 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:39,880 Speaker 1: and the way Darisaw has has handled it the last 445 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:40,639 Speaker 1: few weeks. 446 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:43,480 Speaker 5: Well, I think it's sort of a two stage thing 447 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:47,399 Speaker 5: because in one sense, I mean, this injury was bad 448 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 5: enough that you know it's it's not just the ACL 449 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:52,720 Speaker 5: or he had other ligament damage in there as well, 450 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:56,960 Speaker 5: So you are, i think, always trying to project a 451 00:23:56,960 --> 00:24:00,400 Speaker 5: little bit in terms of how effectively somebody can come 452 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,439 Speaker 5: back in that amount of time, because they are, you know, 453 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:04,240 Speaker 5: they're trying to get him back. I suppose by the 454 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 5: time it's late October when it happens to sure the 455 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:09,960 Speaker 5: beginning of the season, you're talking ten and a half 456 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,600 Speaker 5: eleven months. But he had done so well in the 457 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:15,160 Speaker 5: rehab that I think they were pretty optimistic coming out 458 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 5: of the summer based on the work he'd done in 459 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:20,320 Speaker 5: the rehab. But I think there has been a little 460 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 5: bit of this. It's been a moving target. I think 461 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:28,000 Speaker 5: in some ways of does he feel confident in it, 462 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:31,199 Speaker 5: does he feel like there's any residual effects of it 463 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:33,879 Speaker 5: where I can trust it, I can feel like I 464 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 5: can do everything I need to do, or do you 465 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 5: kind of go through some of these things that just 466 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 5: make you, you know, there's something that lingers in the 467 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:44,640 Speaker 5: back of your mind saying, yeah, I'm I'm moving forward, 468 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:48,439 Speaker 5: I'm making progress. But I don't quite know if it 469 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 5: is one hundred percent a closed case in terms of 470 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:53,879 Speaker 5: the injury, and it's probably not going to be a 471 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:56,239 Speaker 5: completely close case this year. I think we are going 472 00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 5: to see this rhythm of full on Wednesday and then 473 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:03,919 Speaker 5: probably having a day of recovery in a sense, and 474 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,399 Speaker 5: then you see what he does what he does on Friday. 475 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,520 Speaker 5: I think you're going to see that continue throughout the years. 476 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 5: So I think the messaging of it is probably a 477 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:15,639 Speaker 5: little bit of the way he handled the rehab created 478 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:17,480 Speaker 5: a lot of optimism, but then when you get into 479 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:20,400 Speaker 5: more of the football stuff, it's you learn a little 480 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 5: more of, hey, this is actually pretty complex yet, and 481 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 5: trying to have him have full confidence in it, I 482 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:28,520 Speaker 5: think is part of the battle. 483 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,720 Speaker 3: So a lot of I know, a lot of the way. 484 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:34,640 Speaker 5: That they've handled workloads with him on this has been 485 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:37,959 Speaker 5: a discussion where he has a voice in what he 486 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,239 Speaker 5: wants to do and what he feels comfortable doing. And 487 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:44,639 Speaker 5: I think you know that has been a little different 488 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:46,640 Speaker 5: every week too, when you're coming into a Thursday game, 489 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:49,200 Speaker 5: I know, you know, some of those things play into 490 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,480 Speaker 5: how confident is he and the work that he's had 491 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:55,120 Speaker 5: and the recovery time that he's had between games. And 492 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:58,360 Speaker 5: so I think now the hope is that once you're 493 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 5: on this Sunday to Sunday routine for a while, that 494 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 5: it's a little easier to make this a little more predictable. 495 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:09,359 Speaker 5: I certainly think that's what they are hoping will happen. 496 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 3: As we go forward. 497 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:14,320 Speaker 1: Here, I have linked the current delicate condition of the 498 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:18,680 Speaker 1: Vikings to a famous pat Riley quote for the kids. 499 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,479 Speaker 1: Pat Riley, once upon a time, well, it was actually 500 00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:24,800 Speaker 1: a very good player in college at the University of Kentucky. 501 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:28,160 Speaker 1: And then he was an NBA player who once appeared 502 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,720 Speaker 1: by the way, he had a cameo role in a 503 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:34,399 Speaker 1: Colombo episode. That's a story for another day. And then 504 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,120 Speaker 1: ultimately he went on to become the very successful head 505 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:40,960 Speaker 1: coach of Showtime Los Angeles Lakers, and then reinvented himself 506 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 1: in New York, and then reinvented himself again in Miami, 507 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 1: ultimately now being the guy who runs the show. And 508 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:52,360 Speaker 1: way back when this is from Showtime Showtime days, Ryles 509 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:54,680 Speaker 1: once offered those of us who had a good vibe 510 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 1: with him, we called him Ryles had this quote every 511 00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,679 Speaker 1: now and then somewhere some play sometime, you're going to 512 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,399 Speaker 1: have to plant your feet, stand firm, and make a 513 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,080 Speaker 1: point about who you are and what you believe in. 514 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,600 Speaker 1: That sounds very grandiose, but it worked for him in 515 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:14,480 Speaker 1: a sports production and performance sense. The question for you 516 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:19,399 Speaker 1: is if it at least technically seems to apply to 517 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 1: the delicate condition of the Vikings in danger of dropping 518 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:25,239 Speaker 1: to three and five out of the race. If they 519 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:28,479 Speaker 1: can't get it done on the road against a very 520 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 1: good Lion's team, that the season might be coming. A 521 00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:37,200 Speaker 1: part the question, though, is are the Vikings equipped at 522 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 1: this moment to truly plant their feet? Do they have 523 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:45,359 Speaker 1: it in them physically to handle what Riley seems to 524 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,480 Speaker 1: be seem to be challenging his own team about mentally. 525 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:53,359 Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm wondering when he said that if that was 526 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,760 Speaker 5: in the height of the Showtime Lakers, because that obviously 527 00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 5: was a team that was pretty capable of planting its face. 528 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,040 Speaker 5: It had quite a bit of equity with which to 529 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,800 Speaker 5: do it. I think it's a good question. I think 530 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,840 Speaker 5: given the health situations right now, given the fact that 531 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 5: JJ McCarthy is looking for it, still looking for his 532 00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:16,800 Speaker 5: first consistent four quarters of an NFL game, there's a 533 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:20,639 Speaker 5: lot that they have to do. I mean, if you're 534 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 5: going to plant your feet, it would be easier to 535 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,720 Speaker 5: do so on a foundation that's probably a little firmer 536 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:27,720 Speaker 5: than the one they have at the moment. I think 537 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:31,320 Speaker 5: they are going to be healthier than they've been, but 538 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:35,360 Speaker 5: this particular matchup especially with the struggles they've had stopping 539 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:39,280 Speaker 5: the run. I don't like it from that perspective. And 540 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:41,440 Speaker 5: then they are going to have to have a good 541 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:44,160 Speaker 5: plan for McCarthy. Given the pass rush they're going to see. 542 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:47,120 Speaker 5: I would expect you'll see him, you know, try to 543 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:49,240 Speaker 5: have a little bit of a moving pocket. You're making 544 00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 5: Aiden Hutchinson try to tire himself out a little bit, 545 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:53,400 Speaker 5: chase McCarthy around. It'll be a lot of that kind 546 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:58,480 Speaker 5: of stuff. But they have enough between healthy players in 547 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:02,960 Speaker 5: between injured players. It's just kind of not on solid 548 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:06,000 Speaker 5: footing that I think it is hard to say that 549 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,640 Speaker 5: this is a team that, hey, we know what we have, 550 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,520 Speaker 5: we know what we've been and we say enough is enough, 551 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:13,320 Speaker 5: and we're capable of delivering on that. I think it 552 00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:16,360 Speaker 5: would be a little easier to do that if there 553 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 5: was a little more stability. So yeah, I mean, I 554 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:22,480 Speaker 5: think the notion is right that you do have to 555 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:24,920 Speaker 5: be able to do that. Sometimes I just I have 556 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:28,400 Speaker 5: my questions about whether the current state of this team 557 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:29,880 Speaker 5: is one that would allow them to do that. 558 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:33,480 Speaker 1: That's the critical a critical question for sure. You mentioned Hutchinson, 559 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 1: Aiden Hutchinson. Of course, the Vikings did not have to 560 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:40,640 Speaker 1: face him the last time these two teams met. It 561 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:45,040 Speaker 1: sounds as if he has indeed been beast like this 562 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:48,480 Speaker 1: season six sacks in seven games. You know via your 563 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:52,520 Speaker 1: preview of sizing up the matchup that he now has 564 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:56,000 Speaker 1: thirteen and a half sacks in his last twelve games, 565 00:29:56,120 --> 00:30:01,160 Speaker 1: leads the league with four forced fumbles. So who where 566 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:05,200 Speaker 1: does he line up and who gets the unenviable task 567 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:09,160 Speaker 1: of attempting to deal with the beast that is Aiden Hutchinson. 568 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:13,360 Speaker 5: Yeah, he has been on quite a run here, and 569 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 5: I think before he had that gruesome injury last year 570 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,480 Speaker 5: early in the year, people were talking about him as 571 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:20,960 Speaker 5: a possible Defensive Player of the Year candidate. And he's 572 00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:22,720 Speaker 5: kind of picked up where he's left off. So I 573 00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:26,520 Speaker 5: mean he'll be there left end quite a bit on Sunday, 574 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:28,960 Speaker 5: which means he lined up across from Brian O'Neill. I 575 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:32,320 Speaker 5: would expect it's Brian O'Neill with some help. I would 576 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:34,960 Speaker 5: think they're going to try to get some things on 577 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:37,080 Speaker 5: Hutchinson to slow him down. 578 00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:38,360 Speaker 3: You know, that's probably TJ. 579 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:42,800 Speaker 5: Hockinson playing a little bit of that, either as an 580 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:46,200 Speaker 5: extra protector or chipping against his former teammate. I would 581 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,960 Speaker 5: imagine that's going to be a role that falls to 582 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,160 Speaker 5: him quite a bit. With Josh Oliver out, with CJ. 583 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:54,720 Speaker 5: Ham out, I think they'll have to devote some help there, 584 00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:57,600 Speaker 5: even if Brian O'Neill is feeling good enough to go 585 00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:00,520 Speaker 5: back and play, which I think he will play. But yeah, 586 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:02,840 Speaker 5: it is it's a lot for them to deal with 587 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:06,440 Speaker 5: because he's been as explosive as dynamic as just about 588 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:08,240 Speaker 5: any pass rusher in the league. And they've had a 589 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:11,080 Speaker 5: run of these here, whether it's Miles Garrett or whether 590 00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:13,400 Speaker 5: it's Jalen Carter, some of the guys that the Eagles 591 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,800 Speaker 5: have around him. They have had a lot of pass rushers, 592 00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:18,800 Speaker 5: I mean even Khalil Mack kind of dusting it off 593 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:22,480 Speaker 5: last week former you know, longtime Biking's boogeyman, Khalil Mack. 594 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,800 Speaker 5: They've had a lot of people that demand a lot 595 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:29,080 Speaker 5: of attention. And that's where this the health of this 596 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:32,760 Speaker 5: offensive line becomes tricky because you have tackles that you 597 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,360 Speaker 5: normally would be able to say, hey, you've got him, 598 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:37,640 Speaker 5: and we don't need to worry about it a whole lot. 599 00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:39,560 Speaker 5: We don't need to send the extra help this way 600 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:43,160 Speaker 5: but when it's a player of Hutchinson's stature and O'Neill 601 00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:46,040 Speaker 5: is coming off of this injury and trying to work 602 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,200 Speaker 5: through it, it makes it more difficult. And then you 603 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,280 Speaker 5: go to the other side and how much is Dari 604 00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:52,520 Speaker 5: Saw able to just kind of set it and forget 605 00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:54,200 Speaker 5: it there and you're still gonna You're still gonna have 606 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:58,440 Speaker 5: Blake Brandell at center, you know, kind of trying to 607 00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,360 Speaker 5: find his footing there again after a rough game, you know, 608 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,600 Speaker 5: a couple of weeks ago here and working with JJ 609 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,720 Speaker 5: McCarthy setting protections and figuring out where to devote the 610 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:11,560 Speaker 5: extra help. All of that is particularly difficult to do. 611 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:15,479 Speaker 5: So I think the combination of all of those factors, 612 00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:18,560 Speaker 5: whether it's new people in new places, or the guys 613 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:20,680 Speaker 5: that you count on pretty heavily not being one hundred 614 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,400 Speaker 5: percent and the pass rusher that you're going to see 615 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:25,680 Speaker 5: across the line, that's a lot to deal with. I 616 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,000 Speaker 5: don't think that part of it is going to be 617 00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,520 Speaker 5: terribly easy for them to manage. I think if they 618 00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:35,360 Speaker 5: do it, it certainly is going to require a pretty significant 619 00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:36,240 Speaker 5: effort to get it done. 620 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:39,520 Speaker 1: Ben Gaeslink Star Tobune and stardibune dot com. Lavelle will 621 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:44,360 Speaker 1: join at about five thirty ben with us. Now, you know, 622 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:49,640 Speaker 1: I think the chalk would tell you, the unemotional will 623 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:54,040 Speaker 1: tell you. With the kid quarterback coming back, play a 624 00:32:54,120 --> 00:33:01,000 Speaker 1: controlled passing game, hand the ball off, don't try early 625 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:03,920 Speaker 1: for too many big plays, just kind of get some 626 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:09,680 Speaker 1: first downs and extend drives. There's another part of me 627 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:12,320 Speaker 1: that says, as odd as this sounds, maybe in a 628 00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:15,720 Speaker 1: game where you go in as heavy underdogs lots of 629 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,080 Speaker 1: reasons to wonder whether you can plant your feet, that 630 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,800 Speaker 1: what you need to do is what Seawan Salisbury suggests 631 00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,840 Speaker 1: you do every once in a while is just fling it. 632 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:26,840 Speaker 1: And it almost sounds like a contradiction for everything I've 633 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:28,760 Speaker 1: said in the past. And I'm not saying throw the 634 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:32,480 Speaker 1: ball fifty seven times. But sometimes it's one of those 635 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:36,320 Speaker 1: or two of those plays that you're not expecting where 636 00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:37,880 Speaker 1: you're and you're able to make a you know, a 637 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:41,959 Speaker 1: forty seven yard completion downfield that perhaps might be the 638 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,480 Speaker 1: only chance for the Vikings to sort of put the 639 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:47,440 Speaker 1: Lions on their heels a little bit and make this 640 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:49,760 Speaker 1: game more interesting. How do you think koc is going 641 00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:50,560 Speaker 1: to calculate it. 642 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,240 Speaker 5: I mean, I think they will have some things where 643 00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:56,600 Speaker 5: you do have to manage it for McCarthy's sake, But 644 00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:58,600 Speaker 5: there is some wisdom in what you're saying. 645 00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:00,640 Speaker 3: I think for a couple of reasons. 646 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:04,520 Speaker 5: Number one, that level of confidence for him to kind 647 00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:06,360 Speaker 5: of make a couple of plays like that, I think 648 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:08,439 Speaker 5: would be a big deal. I think, I know he's 649 00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:12,520 Speaker 5: feeling pretty eager, pretty excited, feeling pretty good about where 650 00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:15,720 Speaker 5: he's at physically, and you know, maybe you can build 651 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,560 Speaker 5: off of that and get some plays downfield that kind 652 00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,480 Speaker 5: of help him carry that forward. But the other reason 653 00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:24,799 Speaker 5: I think to do that is if you can get 654 00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,920 Speaker 5: the Lions playing from behind. I mean, the Vikings have 655 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:29,839 Speaker 5: not played with the lead much at all this year, 656 00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,480 Speaker 5: and the Lions are set up very well to play 657 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:34,160 Speaker 5: with the lead because of how much they want to 658 00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:36,839 Speaker 5: run the ball and how effectively they do it. If 659 00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,640 Speaker 5: you put them in a situation where they can't lean 660 00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:41,439 Speaker 5: on that quite as much and they've got to drop 661 00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:44,320 Speaker 5: back and get Jared Goff making plays. And Jared Goff 662 00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:49,480 Speaker 5: is having a tremendous year, but he is still vulnerable 663 00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:52,600 Speaker 5: to pressure at times, and he doesn't get pressured a 664 00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:55,040 Speaker 5: lot behind that line. But if you can get to 665 00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:57,880 Speaker 5: him and you can make him affected by some of 666 00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,439 Speaker 5: those things, we have seen him turn the all over. 667 00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:03,400 Speaker 5: The few times he's done it have been when he 668 00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,120 Speaker 5: is dealing with pressure, and it's easier to apply that 669 00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,960 Speaker 5: when you're playing with the leads. So I think to 670 00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,719 Speaker 5: whatever degree you can do that, and maybe that is 671 00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,000 Speaker 5: a couple of shots downfield early. I'm sure they will 672 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,239 Speaker 5: have some of those things in there that they'll want 673 00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:19,440 Speaker 5: to try to get to. I think there's reason to 674 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:22,520 Speaker 5: jump on people that Vikings have not done it well, 675 00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:25,600 Speaker 5: and the Lions are not a team that you want 676 00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:27,799 Speaker 5: to get behind because of all of the things that 677 00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,600 Speaker 5: they do, So yeah, I think there would be some 678 00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:32,319 Speaker 5: logic to try and to do that if they can 679 00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:32,799 Speaker 5: pull it off. 680 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:38,440 Speaker 1: Seventy four point nine percent completion rate percentage for golf, 681 00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:40,440 Speaker 1: and again a lot of those are short passes, but 682 00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:45,600 Speaker 1: that accuracy is tremendous. Part of the reason I think 683 00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,200 Speaker 1: the Lions are so much fun to watch is the 684 00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:50,839 Speaker 1: two headed ground attack, which is more than a ground 685 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:54,560 Speaker 1: attack obviously, right, because Gibbs can make catches as well. 686 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,759 Speaker 1: Two hundred and eighteen yards from scrimmage against Tampa Bay 687 00:35:57,800 --> 00:35:59,200 Speaker 1: Tampa Bay, October twenty. 688 00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:00,880 Speaker 2: Here's the stat that got me. 689 00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:02,960 Speaker 1: And you have these, like I said in your preview, 690 00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:07,360 Speaker 1: Gibbs is averaging five point five point one yards per carry, 691 00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:12,840 Speaker 1: and the backup, David Montgomery, he's averaging four point. 692 00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:14,520 Speaker 2: Six yards per carry. 693 00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:19,080 Speaker 1: They are just so damned good at playing off the run, 694 00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:22,759 Speaker 1: and obviously they're not afraid to throw, but running and 695 00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:25,640 Speaker 1: using running backs in whatever they're doing, I mean, to me, 696 00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:28,880 Speaker 1: that's the ultimate fantasy. And I guess I know the Vikings. 697 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:30,920 Speaker 1: Neither of the Vikings runners are as good as Gibbs. 698 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:32,840 Speaker 1: There's not a lot of runners as good as Gibbs. 699 00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,799 Speaker 1: But part of the reason I think their offense per 700 00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:40,640 Speaker 1: so well is they can implement the use of their 701 00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:43,680 Speaker 1: running game and their running backs as often as they do. 702 00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:47,040 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's absolutely right. And I think the other thing 703 00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:49,719 Speaker 5: that they do that kind of helps them lean into 704 00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:51,800 Speaker 5: this is they go forward a lot on fourth downs. 705 00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:54,400 Speaker 5: And what that does, I think to a defense is 706 00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:56,919 Speaker 5: you're not sitting there after third down and saying, okay, 707 00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:58,799 Speaker 5: we got to stop. We get off the field, We've 708 00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:00,759 Speaker 5: got to go one more and it's probably going to 709 00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:02,960 Speaker 5: be short yardage in a lot of these cases, and 710 00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:05,520 Speaker 5: you have running backs that know how to get yards. 711 00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:08,480 Speaker 5: But whether it's Montgomery between the tackles or Gibbs being 712 00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:12,759 Speaker 5: as elusive as he is, I mean, Gibbs is I 713 00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:16,400 Speaker 5: don't think anybody gets that close to Barry Sanders in 714 00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:19,480 Speaker 5: terms of their dynamism on the field. I mean, I 715 00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:21,279 Speaker 5: was a kid growing up watching Barry Sanders, and I 716 00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:23,640 Speaker 5: don't think there's anybody that runs quite the same way, 717 00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:27,080 Speaker 5: at least in my lifetime as him. But Gibbs gets 718 00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:29,440 Speaker 5: closer to that where it's you think you've got him 719 00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:31,640 Speaker 5: and he takes an ankle away, or he takes a 720 00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:34,839 Speaker 5: shoulder away, or he gives you a cut that you're 721 00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,160 Speaker 5: just kind of grasping an error. And that can be 722 00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:39,759 Speaker 5: effective in a short yard of situation too, because he 723 00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,719 Speaker 5: creates something out of nothing. I think the two of 724 00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:46,200 Speaker 5: them doing that as well as they do has a 725 00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:48,600 Speaker 5: cumulative effect. I mean there's kind of this discussion in 726 00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:52,400 Speaker 5: football of does running the ball a lot have something 727 00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:54,480 Speaker 5: have an effect where it wears a defense down. I 728 00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:56,279 Speaker 5: think a lot of the analytics would say, no, there's 729 00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:58,480 Speaker 5: nothing to that. But I think if you talk to 730 00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:01,480 Speaker 5: players when a team runs the ball this well, and 731 00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:03,160 Speaker 5: they say we are going to run it on fourth 732 00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:05,759 Speaker 5: and one and then hey, we got a first down. 733 00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:07,680 Speaker 5: You're set to have to try to do this four 734 00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:10,680 Speaker 5: more times. It just has an effect to wear you 735 00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:14,160 Speaker 5: down and at least mentally wear you down. So yeah, 736 00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:17,160 Speaker 5: I think what they do they do extremely well, and 737 00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:19,080 Speaker 5: they've figured out how to play off of it with 738 00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:21,759 Speaker 5: the play action with Jared Goff, and I think just 739 00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,200 Speaker 5: a lot of the approach with Dan Campbell is I 740 00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:25,960 Speaker 5: don't give a rip, I'm going to go for it 741 00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:27,680 Speaker 5: and we're gonna play a little loose, and I think 742 00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:28,719 Speaker 5: players feed off of that well. 743 00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:28,960 Speaker 4: You know. 744 00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:34,880 Speaker 1: Lastly, I'm looking at the NFL team defense statistics and 745 00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:39,160 Speaker 1: it's fascinating to see at least in terms of yards 746 00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,840 Speaker 1: given up rushing per game. That doesn't always you know, 747 00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:47,440 Speaker 1: necessarily factor in yards per attempt, but yeah, looking at 748 00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:51,000 Speaker 1: here's here are your top one, two, three four teams 749 00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:57,800 Speaker 1: on handling the rush terms of yardage yielded. One is Seattle, 750 00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:01,799 Speaker 1: two is New England, three is Green Bay, and four 751 00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:06,440 Speaker 1: the Lions. Those are teams all teams with very good records. 752 00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:08,919 Speaker 1: New England has finally emerged a little bit this year 753 00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:12,320 Speaker 1: as Seattle as well, and maybe that answers the question 754 00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:15,799 Speaker 1: about how stubborn the Vikings can get about trying to 755 00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:18,560 Speaker 1: establish a bit of the run. According to these numbers, 756 00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:20,960 Speaker 1: the Lions are pretty good against the Rush. 757 00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:23,680 Speaker 5: Yeah, and the tricky part of that you mentioned those teams. 758 00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:26,040 Speaker 5: The Vikings are going to see three of them this month. 759 00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:29,000 Speaker 5: That's right, I mean it is if you're talking about 760 00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:32,839 Speaker 5: ways to support JJ McCarthy and do some of these 761 00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:34,799 Speaker 5: things that I think they've wanted to do, where it's 762 00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:37,759 Speaker 5: you can run the ball, you can make things a 763 00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:40,959 Speaker 5: little less on his shoulders, less of a drop back game, 764 00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:43,480 Speaker 5: less of a hey, you've got to throw it forty times. 765 00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:46,480 Speaker 5: These are teams that will make it very difficult to 766 00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:50,160 Speaker 5: do that. So if they're able to find something, I 767 00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,239 Speaker 5: think it's a lot of credit to them if they're 768 00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:55,040 Speaker 5: able to make it happen against these particular teams, But 769 00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:57,879 Speaker 5: it does make it more difficult to do it when 770 00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:00,839 Speaker 5: they're facing the types of affronts that they are. And 771 00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:03,520 Speaker 5: then you add to it Hutchinson, and then you know, 772 00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:05,360 Speaker 5: in a couple of weeks you're going to see the 773 00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:09,080 Speaker 5: Packers with Michael Parsons and Rashaun Kerry and then Seattle 774 00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:10,879 Speaker 5: with Leonard Williams in the middle. I mean, there's there's 775 00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:14,000 Speaker 5: a lot of high end, blue chip type players they're 776 00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:15,480 Speaker 5: going to see and they're gonna have to deal with 777 00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,360 Speaker 5: with this line and none of that is going to 778 00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:22,000 Speaker 5: be very easy to do. So the attempts to make 779 00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:26,120 Speaker 5: this offense as user friendly as they can for McCarthy 780 00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:29,080 Speaker 5: do get difficult when you have teams of this quality, 781 00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:32,080 Speaker 5: and I think it's going to You don't want it 782 00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:33,480 Speaker 5: to fall in the kid, but there may be some 783 00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:36,240 Speaker 5: moments where it does, and if he's able to answer 784 00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:38,400 Speaker 5: to it, it's probably a reason to have quite a 785 00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:42,200 Speaker 5: bit of confidence because they are facing as tough of 786 00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:45,160 Speaker 5: a schedule, especially the next month, is just about anyone 787 00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:46,640 Speaker 5: in the league. I was looking this up and I 788 00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:48,600 Speaker 5: think this is in the preview too, but they have 789 00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:53,040 Speaker 5: not lost five straight to the Lions since their first 790 00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:56,400 Speaker 5: five games against them ever, and that streak ended, and 791 00:40:56,440 --> 00:41:01,839 Speaker 5: as a JFK JFK historian ficionado that you are, that's 792 00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:05,160 Speaker 5: freak ended. Two days after the assassination, Peter Roselle decided 793 00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:07,960 Speaker 5: to play those games that Sunday. That's when they finally 794 00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:10,919 Speaker 5: broke it up, the famous decision not to postpone after 795 00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:11,640 Speaker 5: the assassination. 796 00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:15,240 Speaker 1: For the record, Vikings ranked twenty fourth in the league 797 00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:17,960 Speaker 1: against the run, a stat that you know, well, I'm 798 00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:20,800 Speaker 1: sure and doesn't surprise anybody that's watched this team against 799 00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:24,280 Speaker 1: the run. And that's another scary thing about this particular matchup. 800 00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:27,400 Speaker 1: I mean, we're down there with the Jets, the Tennessee Titans, 801 00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:32,360 Speaker 1: the Bears, a number of bottom feeding teams. So there's 802 00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:34,120 Speaker 1: a lot of improving that's going to have to take 803 00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:38,200 Speaker 1: place beyond whatever happens at the quarterback position. Have a 804 00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:42,000 Speaker 1: wonderful trip into Detroit, Michigan, and we will talk next week. 805 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:45,040 Speaker 2: Thank you, Ben, all right, sounds good, Thanks Dan, Ben Gestling. 806 00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:49,080 Speaker 1: Startbune and stardibune dot com brought to you by Standard 807 00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:53,200 Speaker 1: Heating and air Conditioning GUARDSY is on I think some 808 00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:57,200 Speaker 1: Halloween duty with the kids. That means the ever valuable 809 00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:00,799 Speaker 1: Lake Moore is in the chair. Top five at five 810 00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:04,120 Speaker 1: will include what wild Wolves and a World Series update.