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Speaker 1: Well, we are honored to have LAPD Chief Jim McDonald

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Speaker 1: did it. Chief. You have had a busy week. You see,

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Speaker 1: we've got TVs all over this room and you've been

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Speaker 1: It looks like four jackasses, for lack of a better word,

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Speaker 1: thwarted that. And then yesterday you're with the DA who's

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Speaker 1: announcing first degree murder charges with special circumstances against Nick Reiner.

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Speaker 1: We thank you for taking the time out of obviously

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Speaker 1: a very busy week to join us. And another, hope,

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Speaker 1: high profile case that your department has been working very

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Speaker 1: hard on, is of course, the Celeste Reevas murder, the

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Speaker 1: I want to say, early fall September or something like that,

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Speaker 1: And so you have a lot on your plate going on.

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Speaker 1: How does that work? By the way, you know, when

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Speaker 1: you get you get a call in the middle of

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Speaker 1: the night we got to have you here tomorrow. We

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Speaker 1: got to this is going on? Does your phone ever

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Speaker 1: stop ringing? Do you keep it on silent? How does

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Speaker 2: Keep it next to me and on the nightstand, But

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Speaker 2: I never keep it on silent. It can go off anytime,

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Speaker 2: a whole lot of difference. As far as notifications on things.

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Speaker 2: I want to know what's going on and not have

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Speaker 2: to find out about it later. But we do have

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Speaker 2: a screening system that is much more humane than it

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Speaker 2: used to be in days past as far as people

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Speaker 2: taking the calls and screening them and then making the

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Speaker 2: appropriate notifications. Some can wait till seven in the morning,

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Speaker 2: and others. You need to know when it happens.

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Speaker 1: We're talking about your robbery homicide detectives just moments ago

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Speaker 1: That is just good solid I think you referred to

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Speaker 1: But that's really great work they did in such a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, they did a tremendous job, and they

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Speaker 2: are the best in the business. Homicide Special out of

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Speaker 2: RhD handle the case. They brought in Gang and Narcotics Division,

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Speaker 2: very well together and they were able in this case

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Speaker 3: How do you make a decision to get those other

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Speaker 3: I mean, obviously it's very high profile, so there's gonna

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Speaker 3: But how do you determine when other organizations are involved.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, within the LAPD, we used to have divisional detectives

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Speaker 2: are part of Robbery Homicide Division, So the Captain of

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Speaker 2: URHD has the ability to be able to move people around,

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Speaker 2: the cases now go to OURHD. In the big sense.

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Speaker 2: Homicide special got this one, and they are the folks

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Speaker 2: As I mentioned with the Marshalls, that's like all one

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Speaker 1: We get to that, because that's a big issue. Are

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Speaker 1: we ready for that? And your department is so financially

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Speaker 1: they should in that regard Robbery Homicide Division alone. If

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Speaker 1: you read the Harry Bosch novels, Michael Connolly, you've seen heat, right,

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Speaker 1: who hasn't seen heat? You know this division. They are

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Speaker 1: budget cuts. Well, we are hit with these massive, high

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Speaker 2: Yeah. No, our core function is answering radio calls, calls

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Speaker 2: we're down fourteen hundred officers now to give context, when

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Speaker 2: we're fully deployed, we're at ten thousand sworn. That's about

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Speaker 2: and we will make it happen, but certainly we'd like

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Speaker 2: You mentioned robbery. Homicide is not the size it used

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Speaker 3: Do you have an idea historically, when was the LAPD

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Speaker 2: Yeah, twenty nineteen they were at one thousand and three

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Speaker 2: this year, we could be down to eighty three hundred

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Speaker 1: Wow. I think just this year alone, you're looking at

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Speaker 3: That we're talking with LAPD Chief to McDonald, Not at all.

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Speaker 3: We have trug bat teller, we have company and.

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Speaker 1: We want to get right to it because Chief Jim

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Speaker 1: McDonald was so nice to take some time and talk

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Speaker 1: As Chief was telling us, and we touched on robbery

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Speaker 2: Chief Yeah, no, I understand the frustration, but the detectives

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Speaker 1: I think in that case in particular, everyone lawyered up

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Speaker 2: The absence of us putting out information, people fill the

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Speaker 2: We try and address those when it's so prevalent as

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Speaker 3: When you bring up just the idea of misinformation that's

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Speaker 3: the speed with which this information can be spread.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you can't get in front of a story anymore.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, yeah, you look at this and you

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Speaker 2: think where we were. We were penalizing officers for not

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Speaker 2: I see where the argument comes from for our federal

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Speaker 2: So certainly, I think the political response was to try

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Speaker 1: We've got the World Cup coming to town, We've got

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Speaker 1: the Olympics coming to town. All eyes on Los Angeles.

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Speaker 1: I love the Disney movie version of this where everything

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Speaker 1: is great and La looks wonderful, but we are not

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Speaker 1: staffed to secure these events. Well, I shouldn't say that

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Speaker 1: it'll you'll do You'll do a great job regardless, But

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Speaker 1: what is your concern when it comes to securing massive

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the mayor is supportive of our hiring additional officers.

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Speaker 2: She's been pushing that the city council. There are some

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Speaker 2: As I mentioned earlier, we have tremendous relationships with our federal, state,

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Speaker 2: as far as transportation and a lot of the the uh,

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Speaker 2: They have practice fields, practice arenas, they have a lot

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Speaker 2: of places, they have the housing. UH, there's different countries

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Speaker 2: a lot of moving parts. When you put together something

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Speaker 2: and we will be ready. We will be able to

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Speaker 3: We know it's a busy week. We're absolutely blessed that

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Speaker 3: you came in and hung out with us, and we

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Speaker 3: appreciate it. And we'll continue these conversations because I mean,

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Speaker 3: we've said.

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Speaker 1: I can keep them hostage all day. I know, but

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Speaker 1: I don't think that would be a good idea for me.

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Speaker 3: There's something to talk about the other one with the weapons.

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Speaker 3: So it's going to be a harder task than you think.

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Speaker 3: Chief McDonald, Thanks for coming in. We greatly appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Garry, thank you for getting