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Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ Boston's news radio.

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Speaker 2: All right, we'll come back everybody. Thank you, Dan Watkins.

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Speaker 2: We are going to open up a topic here tonight

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Speaker 2: that we haven't talked about much lately. We haven't talked

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Speaker 2: about much at all. As I think all of you know,

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Speaker 2: marijuana is now legal in Massachusetts, not only legal for

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Speaker 2: medicinal purposes, but also legal for recreational purposes. And this

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Speaker 2: effort dates back for years when there were people who

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Speaker 2: argued that medicinal marijuana was necessary because a lot of

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Speaker 2: people or some people received a medical benefit from the

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Speaker 2: use of marijuana cannabis in some form of fashion. And

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Speaker 2: shortly after medical marijuana became available in legal in Massachusetts,

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Speaker 2: then there was a push for recreational marijuana. Now again,

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Speaker 2: the push was for limited The arguments were that there's

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Speaker 2: an underground and people are buying marijuana on the black market,

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Speaker 2: and the government is not getting any tax revenue from

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Speaker 2: black market transactions, and therefore what should happen is that

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Speaker 2: there should be an effort whereby the state would run

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Speaker 2: the stale distribution of marijuana through state authorized businesses, and

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Speaker 2: substantial revenues would endure to the benefit of cities and

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Speaker 2: towns in the state of Massachusetts, and so we had

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Speaker 2: recreational marijuana. And what we were told was that if

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Speaker 2: people wanted to purchase marijuana in whatever form, they would

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Speaker 2: have a right to purchase the marijuana, but they couldn't

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Speaker 2: use it publicly. They would have to drive it to

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Speaker 2: their home, and if they wanted to enjoy marijuana, they

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Speaker 2: would enjoy it in the privacy of their home. Well,

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Speaker 2: a couple of years now there's been a push for

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Speaker 2: cannabis cafes, and lo and behold, it appears that maybe

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Speaker 2: even as early as this week, the Cannabis Commission here

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Speaker 2: in Massachusetts will lay the groundwork to authorize those cannabis cafes.

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Speaker 2: It could pass as early some reports say as early

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Speaker 2: as tomorrow. The final meeting of the embattled Cannabis Control

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Speaker 2: Commission here in Massachusetts is tomorrow, And so don't be surprised.

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Speaker 2: We always like to be ahead of the curve here

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Speaker 2: a little bit, So don't be surprised if this time

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Speaker 2: tomorrow night, you know, so called social use of marijuana

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Speaker 2: at dispensaries and lounges will be available. Now, it may

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Speaker 2: take a few weeks or a few months for some

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Speaker 2: of these locations to be established, but all of a

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Speaker 2: sudden marijuana which again arrived as a medical variety of marijuana,

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Speaker 2: and then it was a limited public purchase, but private

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Speaker 2: consumption now sounds to me like you'll be able to

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Speaker 2: go to yoga classes and and and and and smoke

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Speaker 2: a joint, or you'll be able to drive to a

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Speaker 2: the equivalent of a barberom. Now, I know the argument

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Speaker 2: for the folks who are in favor of this is,

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Speaker 2: as it has always been, that hey, you know, people

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Speaker 2: drink and drive, so why not allow people to enjoy

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Speaker 2: marijuana and with all the convenience of drinking and driving.

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Speaker 2: And they're for all the marijuana that has been consumed

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Speaker 2: in not only Massachusetts, but in a whole lot of

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Speaker 2: other states around the country. It appears to me that

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Speaker 2: no one has ever been able to say that there

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Speaker 2: has been a single automobile accident that is related to marijuana. Now,

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Speaker 2: I'm saying that sarcastically because obviously they have been obviously,

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Speaker 2: but because you can test drivers for blood alcohol content,

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Speaker 2: they're a legitimate scientific test that law enforcement can use

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Speaker 2: to determine if someone is involved in either an accident

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Speaker 2: or is pulled over for suspicion of DUI, they can

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Speaker 2: decide pretty scientifically offer them a breathalyzer test, or invite

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Speaker 2: alcohol so called back blood alcohol content test. But marijuana,

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Speaker 2: there is no test. I mean, you can have a

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Speaker 2: trooper stop you on the side of the road and say, man,

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Speaker 2: as soon as I open the door, it reeked. The

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Speaker 2: He smelled. You can smell it. I mean, obviously people

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Speaker 2: smell it walking the streets of Boston. But I don't

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Speaker 2: think there are arrests that. I haven't seen any studies.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if there's been a study done, I

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Speaker 2: haven't seen it which has said that, you know, autumnobile

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Speaker 2: fatalities or automobile accidents whatever increased, or pedestrian accidents have increased.

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Speaker 2: So for either lack of trying or maybe lack of

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Speaker 2: But it's it's not a harmless drug. Look, I'm telling

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Speaker 2: you right now, I'm not a marijuana user, never been.

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Speaker 2: I look at marijuana use as similar to cigarette use,

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Speaker 2: and that some people can smoke a pack of carton

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Speaker 2: of cigarettes a day, well not probably, but a couple

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Speaker 2: of two packs a day, two packs a day I

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Speaker 2: the same time, if you're smoking weed, I assume you

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Speaker 2: have the potential as a side I can't say benefit,

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Speaker 2: lung cancer. So would I advise people to become regular

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Speaker 2: marijuana smokers. Absolutely not. But we are going to be infused,

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Speaker 2: for lack of a better term, as a result of

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Speaker 2: these cannabis cafes. You're gonna I mean, it's gonna change

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Speaker 2: Massachusetts and they're going to become legal. There's nothing we

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Speaker 2: can do about it. There's nothing we can do about it.

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Speaker 2: At this point, I think it's pretty clear that this

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Speaker 2: fight has been lost. I hope that no one in

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Speaker 2: your family or no one in my family ever ends

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Speaker 2: up using the drug and causing medical complications in anyone's

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Speaker 2: life that you or I know. I hope that no

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Speaker 2: one in within our families are ever injured by someone

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Speaker 2: under the influence of marijuana, either with an automobile or

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Speaker 2: some other vehicle. But I think it's inevitable, and I

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Speaker 2: think that as a society we don't really care. And

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Speaker 2: it's like, you know, the genies side of the bottle,

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Speaker 2: And I kind of think it's sad because I think

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Speaker 2: that is the world in which and I know what

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Speaker 2: the arguments are, and you want to make the arguments,

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Speaker 2: that's fine. You know, marijuana some people, For them, marijuana

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Speaker 2: is the same as it is for you having a

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Speaker 2: beer in a glass of wine. I think it's a

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Speaker 2: little different, to be honest with you. Does alcohol consumption

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Speaker 2: cause problems? Yep, absolutely, up to and including sorosis of delivery.

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Speaker 2: I get it. Dreaking too much wine, absolutely sure. I

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Speaker 2: mean eating too much ice cream, probably get overweight. That

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Speaker 2: leads to a bunch of diseases. I get it. But

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Speaker 2: all we're doing is we're we're making one more opportunity

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Speaker 2: for people to engage in something which can be addictive. Uh,

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Speaker 2: and I think can be harmful. So all of you

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Speaker 2: who disagree with me, I want you to call because

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Speaker 2: they want to give you an opportunity to make the

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Speaker 2: arguments that also celebrate the fact that the marijuana industry

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Speaker 2: has won here in Massachusetts and one big time six

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Speaker 2: seven two thirty six one seven nine three, one ten thirty.

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Speaker 2: My name is Dan Ray. I'm a bit of a contrarian.

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Speaker 2: I know a lot of my friends are going to say, hey,

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Speaker 2: you posit yourself as a libertarian. I just think that

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Speaker 2: you got a balance. You just got to balance what

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Speaker 2: when you balance benefit versus detriment, I think that it's

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Speaker 2: pretty clear there's more damage than benefit. So there are

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Speaker 2: the phone numbers. You have the number, let's get it

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Speaker 2: going right after this quick break here on Nightside.

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Speaker 1: You're on Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm WZ Boston's

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Speaker 1: news radio.

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Speaker 2: Really hear from an article in the Axios Boston Back

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Speaker 2: in January, almost a year ago, Massachusetts cannabis cafe regulations

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Speaker 2: take shape. State of play a cannabis businesses and users

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Speaker 2: who support cannabis cafes, restaurants, and lounges have waited years

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Speaker 2: for them to go live, even after Massachusetts passed laws

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Speaker 2: allowing them. As a cannabis user, I don't leave my

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Speaker 2: house as Sam cantor who owns Sam cant Events, High Road,

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Speaker 2: Canna Yoga, and dinner at Mary's. It has to be

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Speaker 2: an ability to have a safe place to consume these products,

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Speaker 2: especially when there's so much more beneficial than alcohol. There's

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Speaker 2: the argument regulators were able to move forward with the

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Speaker 2: pilot after the state passed it's twenty twenty two cannabis

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Speaker 2: reform law. Instead, they opted to skip the pilot and

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Speaker 2: propose regulations to make cannabis cafes and lounges of reality,

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Speaker 2: but the drafted regulations didn't move forward until late twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty four. A supplemental license lets cannabis dispensaries, cultivators, delivery operators,

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Speaker 2: and other businesses set up on site consumption businesses cannabis cafes.

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Speaker 2: A hospitality license lets non cannabis businesses, including movie theaters

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Speaker 2: and gyms get it in the action. So get you

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Speaker 2: hospitality licenses and the event organize a license. Let's qualifying

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Speaker 2: cannabis businesses get temporary permits for events. How about that?

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Speaker 2: I mean, the sky's the limit. Sky's the limit, it

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Speaker 2: says here. Picture. Cannabis is in high demand in Massachusetts,

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Speaker 2: with gross sales exceeding a record one point six billion

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Speaker 2: last year. Reality check, Cannabis businesses are struggling to make money,

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Speaker 2: in some cases to stay afloat because after years of

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Speaker 2: covering startup costs and waiting for licenses, they face an

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Speaker 2: oversaturated market. Oh I'm feeling sorry. Perhaps the biggest local

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Speaker 2: example is x Apex Noir, the downtown Boston dispensary owned

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Speaker 2: by former Boston City council Tito Jackson. Jackson envisioned a

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Speaker 2: he decided to offer a liquor license instead. Oh man,

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Speaker 2: this is great stuff. Welcome to Massachusetts, everybody. Yeah, so

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Speaker 2: messed up? Paul is in need him? Hey Paul, welcome

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Speaker 2: to night's side. Are you going to start us off

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Speaker 2: this hour? How are you? This evening couldn't be better.

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Speaker 2: I feel like all the horses have left the barn.

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Speaker 2: But other than that, I'm fine.

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Speaker 3: It's crazy. This is a very bad idea. I'm curious

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Speaker 3: what legislator introduced this bill to legalize these cannabis cafes.

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Speaker 3: Do you know who the legislature is the proposed this.

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Speaker 2: I think it was. I think it was done by

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Speaker 2: I believe that it's it was a group effort. I mean,

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Speaker 2: the legislature decided this was a revenue stream, a potential

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Speaker 2: become a very different state here. I mean, you're just

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Speaker 2: adding an element here in Massachusetts that we frankly, you know,

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Speaker 2: who knows what it's going to look like four or

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Speaker 3: And keepan magus is still illegal. It's a controlled substance

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Speaker 3: in the guys of the federal government too.

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Speaker 2: I understand that. But but no one's going to get

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Speaker 2: arrested for it. Number one. I mean, you know, if

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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm gonna go one line when I get

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Speaker 3: off the phone, but I don't I don't mean. I

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Speaker 3: don't know why you're reluctant not to mention the names

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Speaker 3: of the people that are sponsoring these bills and who's

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Speaker 3: proposing this legislation. It's a bad idea.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and well, this is what I'm trying to say, Paul,

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Speaker 2: is that if this was a bill that was up

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Speaker 2: for debate next week, I would I would say to you,

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Speaker 2: you know, and I've done this many times, call you logo, legislators.

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Speaker 2: The horse has left the barn here. I did not

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Speaker 2: do uh, nor mine a position. Now I could have

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Speaker 2: other side of the table for me, I could say,

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Speaker 2: you know, do a Google search here and find out.

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Speaker 2: It's going to be voted on tomorrow by the State

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Speaker 3: You know as well as I do. It all comes

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Speaker 2: So instead of going down to Harry's Bar on the corner,

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Speaker 3: Well, you can go, I'll stay home.

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Speaker 2: That's all I mean. If if I'm laughing at it,

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Speaker 2: All right, man, thank you, thankall, appreciate it, Thank you much.

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Speaker 1: Ray I'm Boston's News Radio.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So Paul is a little disappointed. And by the way,

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Speaker 2: I just did a little research. There is a ballot

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Speaker 2: criminal penalties. Signature collection proponents did submit that required seventy

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Speaker 2: a second round of signatures a smaller group twelve thousand

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Speaker 2: No other state has reversed recreational marijuana once it was legalized.

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Speaker 2: They may be states that might do it. I don't

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Speaker 2: think Massachusetts is likely one of those states. Harvey Silverglate

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Speaker 2: By the way, Thanks very much, Harvey for the photographs

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Speaker 5: It's not a question of whether canabis is good. It

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Speaker 5: obviously is not. However, it is a question of whether

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Speaker 5: was a sellony. I about five percent of my law

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Speaker 5: my legislator to vote to legalize it. Number one. The

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Speaker 2: Well, it did hard, but I'm sure you know there

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Speaker 2: So there is a black market out there, and some

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Speaker 5: But it's much reduced.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, there are a lot of people who are saying, hey,

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Speaker 2: I'll buy it, I guess illegally, but I wanted to

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Speaker 5: Well, First of all, I think that the problem is

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Speaker 2: Directly, but they're benefiting from it because they're getting the

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Speaker 4: Okay, let me finish my point.

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Speaker 5: Number two, marijuana is substantially less dangerous than a cigarette tobacco,

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Speaker 2: In all those things, well, they make a lot of

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Speaker 4: Okay, but the only way of finding out is to

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Speaker 2: Well, it's going to be study in a lot of states,

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Speaker 4: Look, it's a question of what is the.

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Speaker 5: Less the lesser of two evils, And in making that judgment,

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Speaker 2: Okay, I understand that. Let me let me post, let

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Speaker 2: You know, back in the nineteen twenties, on the early mons,

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Speaker 5: The criminals, which put the criminal gangs with Chicago out

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Speaker 2: Sure, no, well they found other other businesses to be

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Speaker 4: I think we're all as they were illegal, right.

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Speaker 2: I get it, I get it. I don't know if

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Speaker 5: And the question is balancings that cost to give us

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Speaker 2: Harvey is always great to hear your voice. Thank you

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Speaker 2: very much. You are a voice of reason.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, Thank you, my friend.

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Speaker 5: Not everybody says that, thanks, thanksactly.

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Speaker 2: Thank you much. I will all right. Six one seven

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Speaker 2: We got Mark and Jean coming up, and Steven Steve

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Speaker 2: back porch, because this is the equivalent of a virtual

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Speaker 2: back porch. You were talking to people across the country

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Speaker 2: when you call nightside, do not do not hesitate. Joined

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Speaker 2: the conversation.

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Speaker 1: Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm w Boston's news Radio.

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Speaker 2: Let we go next to Mark and taunting, Hey, Mark,

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Speaker 2: welcome to night Side. Your thoughts on cannabis cafes coming

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Speaker 2: to a neighborhood near you.

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Speaker 4: Hey, Dan, how are you doing?

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Speaker 2: I doing great, sir, Welcome.

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Speaker 4: I'm Dan. I'm just letting you know I am so

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Speaker 4: not against what's going on with the cannabis cafes. I'm

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Speaker 4: actually a weed smoker. And I wondered if people out there,

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Speaker 4: like Paul they have if they ever tried weed, because

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Speaker 4: maybe if they tried it, the thing is, they might

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Speaker 4: like it or help them. And it does help me

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Speaker 4: driving on the highway much much better than being sober

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Speaker 4: believer or not.

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Speaker 2: That I don't believe. But tell me how it does.

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Speaker 4: Oh how does it help you? Very simple, Dan, say,

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Speaker 4: if someone cut me off, I'll be going berserk my

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Speaker 4: horns swearing at them.

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Speaker 5: Otherwise, when I'm.

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Speaker 4: Like, say, if I smoke a pre roll before I

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Speaker 4: go on the highway, I'm more relaxed, calm. I drive

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Speaker 4: the speed limit, and even my friends say that I

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Speaker 4: drive better when i'm How do I say this? When

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Speaker 4: I'm high?

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Speaker 2: Do you think do you think that your reactions are

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Speaker 2: as quick when you're driving and someone slams on the brakes,

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Speaker 2: you know, in front of you because they're trying to

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Speaker 2: avoid something and maybe you don't see it. Do you

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Speaker 2: think that your reactions are as quick once you're once

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Speaker 2: you're high, then when you're when you're normal, when you're

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Speaker 2: not high.

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Speaker 4: Reactions, No, not really. I usually put it on cruise control.

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Speaker 4: I have an O four Chevy Blazer. Actually it's three

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Speaker 4: hundred and forty thousand miles and it keeps going. I'm

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Speaker 4: going from Totten to Boston a couple of times a week.

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Speaker 2: But what I'm saying is, you know you're going to

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Speaker 2: be out there, maybe on the road tonight. So if

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Speaker 2: somebody you know makes a mistake and all of a

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Speaker 2: sudden they swerve over into your lane. You know, we

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Speaker 2: all have to drive defensively, and sometimes you have to

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Speaker 2: react to something that someone else does. That's dumb. I'm

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Speaker 2: just asking you about your reflexes. Do you think that

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Speaker 2: when you're stoned or you're high. Did you reflexes while

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Speaker 2: you're driving a car at sixty or sixty five or

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Speaker 2: seventy miles an hour? Are are as acute, are as good,

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Speaker 2: are as quick?

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Speaker 4: I can't answer that. I'll have to do that with

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Speaker 4: the ask one of my friends to do a test

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Speaker 4: like that.

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Speaker 2: Well, what does your mind tell you? Seriously, I mean, look,

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Speaker 2: come on, if you're stoned and you're under the influence

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Speaker 2: of marijuana. Look, if you're under the influence of alcohol,

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Speaker 2: your react your reaction is slowed down. That's you know,

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Speaker 2: that's one of the things that they've proven science. It's

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Speaker 2: been proven many many times.

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Speaker 4: That are anxiety too, sorry interrupt, Like my anxiety is

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Speaker 4: last night one hundred percent less. I don't know what

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Speaker 4: to say, Like say, if someone cut me off and

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Speaker 4: there was a cafe at the next exit, saying taunt

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Speaker 4: and I'll be hitting every exit, stopping at a cafe

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Speaker 4: to small a pre roll to get me back on

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Speaker 4: the road to Boston. That's how I'm not against this

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Speaker 4: at Allay.

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Speaker 2: Well, if they ever come up with a marijuana test,

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Speaker 2: look interesting. I never expect someone who would call and

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Speaker 2: would say that they're a better and more alert driver

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Speaker 2: when they're stoned. Mark, You're a medical miracle. That's all

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Speaker 2: I could say. Thanks, congratulations, and thank you for calling in.

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Speaker 2: I do appreciate you taking the time to call call

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Speaker 2: the program. Good night, good night.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, let me go to.

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Speaker 2: Gail and Brookline. Gail, you're next to a night sig.

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Speaker 2: Go right ahead.

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Speaker 6: Oh hi, Dan, I thank you for posing those good

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Speaker 6: questions to Mark. And hopefully I won't be going to

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Speaker 6: Taunton any time soon. I think this judgment might be off,

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Speaker 6: but I was just calling in regard to the article

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Speaker 6: that was in Newall Street Journal today called potheads head

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Speaker 6: for the Er. And this is from the mass General

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Speaker 6: Brigham Hospital finding that the share of adolescents with psychiatric

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Speaker 6: emergencies all virtually test for plot.

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Speaker 2: That article. Yeah, okay, yeah.

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Speaker 7: It's called potheads head for the ear. And some of

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Speaker 7: the things that they've said in this article, according to

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Speaker 7: is marijuana dailely, marijuana use is more common than daily

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Speaker 7: alcohol use according to Carnegie milln analysis last year. So

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Speaker 7: I think you're you're so accurate when we talk about

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Speaker 7: we don't know a lot about pot. We're only studying

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Speaker 7: it now after we've made it legal and so and

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Speaker 7: things are popping up that, uh, people need to be

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Speaker 7: aware of. It's not an easy nothing drugs and so.

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Speaker 7: What if we have alcohol already, does that mean we

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Speaker 7: have to add something else that's not going to be

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Speaker 7: great for people?

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Speaker 2: Why not add LSD? The same theory is that since

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Speaker 2: we have alcohol, the door is wide open. Why not

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Speaker 2: legalize pentanyl? Why not legalize heroin? Why not legalize LSD?

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Speaker 2: We have alcohol? I mean, people are killed in automobile

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Speaker 2: accidents involving alcohol. We know that, but I suspect that

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Speaker 2: people are also going to be killed in automobile accidents

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Speaker 2: involving marijuana.

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Speaker 5: Oh.

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Speaker 6: I totally agree. And as you mentioned earlier, we don't

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Speaker 6: have any real accurate way of testing yet, which is

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Speaker 6: a real, real danger I think, and I don't know

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Speaker 6: when we're ever going to get to that point to

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Speaker 6: finding a reliable testing method.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure that there is a reliable testing method,

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Speaker 2: and I think that that could be frightening. Gail, thanks

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Speaker 2: so much. I'm going to try to read that article

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Speaker 2: maybe before the next hour, because I think we'll continue

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Speaker 2: our conversation into the next hour as well.

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Speaker 7: Oh Dan, thank you, Take care.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Gail, appreciate it. Let me go next to Geene

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Speaker 2: and ever GANE want to get you in here before

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Speaker 2: the ten o'clock news.

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Speaker 8: Go right ahead, Gene, okay, Hi, Dan liss So listen.

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Speaker 8: There was a study done, and I believe it was

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Speaker 8: mass General in Boston. You can probably find it online

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Speaker 8: if you look for it. But they were studying the

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Speaker 8: marijuana and they saw a lot of patients or people

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Speaker 8: in the study that could get psychosis from it and

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Speaker 8: all these other problems from being smoking marijuana. Number One,

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Speaker 8: I have asthma. I'm walking down the street for a

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Speaker 8: healthy walk and these morons are blowing it out because

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Speaker 8: I can't stand it. I can't breathe, And you know,

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Speaker 8: you're selling our people in the grocery stores disgusting. It's disgusting.

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Speaker 8: It's so bad, it's really bad, right, right.

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Speaker 2: But what I'm saying is there's a lot of things

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Speaker 2: that I don't know that that's a strong argument, uh,

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Speaker 2: in the sense that there's a lot of people in

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Speaker 2: grocery stores who are disgusting without marijuana.

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Speaker 8: Why shouldn't I be able to walk a healthy walk

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Speaker 8: and not have to have problems breathing because of their

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Speaker 8: crap coming out of their cars, them walking by me.

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Speaker 2: I understand that. I do understand that, but I'm not

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Speaker 2: sure that that's going to be the argument that's going

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Speaker 2: to swing the public vote. I think I think that

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Speaker 2: at some point if people to begin to understand that, hey,

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Speaker 2: this is a substance that maybe some people really like,

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Speaker 2: but but they're smoking marijuana. It's bad psychologically, is a

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Speaker 2: dangerous activity on a number of levels.

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Speaker 8: It's not for the brain. It's best for children to

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Speaker 8: be around.

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Speaker 5: Okay, I'm sure, go ahead everywhere.

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Speaker 8: It's just another reason why I want to get out

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Speaker 8: of Massachusetts if I have a place to go, because

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Speaker 8: I can stand the creeps running that. They're doing the

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Speaker 8: wrong thing all the time.

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Speaker 2: The we're electing, we're electing the creeps that are running it. Geane,

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Speaker 2: remember that, Okay.

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Speaker 8: But something has to happen. Maybe they shouldn't allow this

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Speaker 8: until they have a law where they can do testing, just.

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Speaker 2: Like that of the bar. Again, there'll be a referendum

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Speaker 2: a year from now. We'll talk about it. Jeane. All right,

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Speaker 2: I'm at I'm at the ten. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 8: Right, I'm again, good night.

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Speaker 2: I know you are. For those of you who are

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Speaker 2: on the line, we're going to stick with this. I

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Speaker 2: think it's an interesting topic. That's my decision. Steve, you

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Speaker 2: stay there, you'll be up. Bob. Yeah, you're gonna get

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Speaker 2: a chance, and we have room for you six one

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Speaker 2: seven two four ten thirty six one seven if. Whatever

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Speaker 2: your position on this issue, I think it's an important

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Speaker 2: conversation right here in North America's backboarch coming back after

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Speaker 2: this