WEBVTT - 10-7-25 Willie with Uri Kaufman

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<v Speaker 1>Bill Cunningham, the Great American October the seventh, twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 1>three is a date that will live in infamy for

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<v Speaker 1>those of the Jewish faith. I think throughout the world

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<v Speaker 1>as far as the of the aggravation of what happened

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<v Speaker 1>with the Hamas has below all the Islamic extremists and

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<v Speaker 1>what happened on that date is incredible. And joining you

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<v Speaker 1>and I now as Urik Kaufman, author of American Intafada

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<v Speaker 1>and Professor Uri Kaufman, welcome again to the Bill Cunningham Show.

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<v Speaker 1>And much as we did during nine to eleven or

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<v Speaker 1>maybe Pearl Harbor, the world change for Israel on October

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<v Speaker 1>the seventh, twenty twenty three. Can you describe Israel, say,

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<v Speaker 1>on October the third or fourth of twenty twenty three,

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<v Speaker 1>two or three days before the attack by hamas the

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<v Speaker 1>status of Israel at that point. Then we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>compare it to what Israel was today after October the seventh,

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<v Speaker 1>and what's happening today. But describe Israel, say a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of days before October the seventh.

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<v Speaker 2>You go back to let's say October the sixth, twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty three. Okay, Israel, I could say was in its

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<v Speaker 2>golden age. Its economy was thriving. It's per capita income

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<v Speaker 2>was higher than Germany, Italy, Britain, France, Canada. Even it

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<v Speaker 2>seemed like it was in an extended period of peace.

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<v Speaker 2>It was only spending three and a half percent of

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<v Speaker 2>its GDP on defense, the lowest level in its history,

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<v Speaker 2>I think, even a bit lower than what we spent

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<v Speaker 2>here in America. It really looked like blue skies ahead,

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<v Speaker 2>and then just overnight the whole thing went upside down,

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<v Speaker 2>which kind of is what happened in nineteen seventy three.

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<v Speaker 2>It looked like everything was great, and then October the sixth,

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen seventy three, came along and everything got turned upside down.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, I was there six months before that. I

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<v Speaker 1>sensed when I spoke to israelis I spent time in

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<v Speaker 1>the West Bank, spent time in Masada, spent time in

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<v Speaker 1>Palestinian held territories. It was safe, it was secure. We

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<v Speaker 1>were told there might be some rockets at the Hotel David.

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<v Speaker 1>If that's the case, we'll give you a warning, go

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<v Speaker 1>into the stairwell. None of that happened. The streets were

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<v Speaker 1>full of tourism. I was told that before October the seventh,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, there was full employment. About twenty five

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<v Speaker 1>thousand Palestinians came across the checkpoints every day. There was

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<v Speaker 1>a sense that we're over the hump. The Abraham Accords

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<v Speaker 1>were not quite fully implemented, but Trump was going to

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<v Speaker 1>win the election, in which case it'll be better. And

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<v Speaker 1>all of a sudden October seventh happened. Can you to

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<v Speaker 1>tell the American people why it happened? We've gone back

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<v Speaker 1>in time with Pearl Harbor and with nine to eleven.

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<v Speaker 1>Why did October the seventh happen? And why weren't the

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<v Speaker 1>Israeli government prepared for that?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the lead that it happened was that CAMAS wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to prevent normalization between Israel and Saudi Arabia. And of course,

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<v Speaker 2>when we talk about CAMAS, it's a terrorist group. We

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<v Speaker 2>don't know the inner workings, it's all opaque. But this

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<v Speaker 2>is basically a good I guess you could say, assessment

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<v Speaker 2>of what happened. They did not want to see Israel normalized.

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<v Speaker 2>There was, as you say, talk of the Abraham Accords,

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<v Speaker 2>President Trump's Abraham Accords expanding, expanding to Saudi Arabia, expanding

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<v Speaker 2>to a country called Oman. Maybe some other players and

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<v Speaker 2>Hamas saw this. And you have to understand, Kamas never

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<v Speaker 2>gave up its dream of genocide, of killing all the Jews,

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<v Speaker 2>of wiping Israel off the map. Iran never gave up

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<v Speaker 2>on that dream. They had a clock ticking in downtown Tehran,

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<v Speaker 2>ticking down to a date in twenty forty when they

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<v Speaker 2>said they were going to kill all the Jews. Hesbila

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<v Speaker 2>never gave up on the dream, and Iran had built

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<v Speaker 2>what they called the ring of fire around Israel. It

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<v Speaker 2>was Camas, and not just Kamas in Gaza, but Hamas

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<v Speaker 2>in Judea, Samaria. It was Hesbola up in Lebanon. It

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<v Speaker 2>was Bishar Assad in Syria. It was the Iraqi militias

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<v Speaker 2>in Iraq. She had militias in Iraq, and of course

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<v Speaker 2>it was Yemen where you have the who, theies, and

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<v Speaker 2>Iran itself. So they have this ring of fire. They

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<v Speaker 2>always said they were going to activate it at some

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<v Speaker 2>point to wipe Israel off the map. It does appear

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<v Speaker 2>that ye yes Cin Nooir, the head of the mosque,

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<v Speaker 2>jumped the gun and he dragged the region into a

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<v Speaker 2>war before Iran would have wanted it but that's really

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<v Speaker 2>what happened. You never really need much of a reason. Unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 2>with the Jahadists, I guess you can say that it's

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<v Speaker 2>when they're living in peace that you have to ask

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<v Speaker 2>yourself why that's happening.

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<v Speaker 1>Why did October seventh militarily from the AMAS perspective, why

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<v Speaker 1>did it succeed? Why was the idea of unprepared?

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<v Speaker 2>It's exactly what happened in nineteen seventy three. There was

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<v Speaker 2>a failure of a core assumption. The core assumption was

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<v Speaker 2>the Palestinians in Gaza are not going to go to

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<v Speaker 2>war because it would be an active national suicide. You

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<v Speaker 2>have to realize at that moment, as you indicated, seventeen

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<v Speaker 2>thousand Palestinians from Gaza were working in Israel each and

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<v Speaker 2>every day. Israel was supplying Gaza with sixty seven thousand

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<v Speaker 2>trucks filled with supplies. Israel supplied Gaza with five point

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<v Speaker 2>seven billion yallons of water, of its electricity, all of

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<v Speaker 2>its fuel by the way, as an asside, The New

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<v Speaker 2>York Times described this as a blockade, sometimes as the

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<v Speaker 2>Draconian blockade. They like making stuff up. But the Palestinians

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<v Speaker 2>and God, there was no blockade. It was the opposite.

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<v Speaker 2>They had effectively given them the benefits of peace. Prime

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<v Speaker 2>Minister in Nitanie, who had even announced a few weeks

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<v Speaker 2>before that Gods and Palestinians could explore for offshore natural

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<v Speaker 2>gas in the Mediterranean off the coast of Goza, where

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<v Speaker 2>there is thought to be natural gas, which would be,

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<v Speaker 2>of course a big source of wealth for the Palestinian people.

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<v Speaker 2>And no one dreamt that they would blow that up,

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<v Speaker 2>but they did, and they did because, as the Kamas

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<v Speaker 2>leaders themselves said, they're not like you and me. They're

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<v Speaker 2>not like the West. They're not really concerned about bettering

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<v Speaker 2>the lives of their people. They're not concerned with raising

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<v Speaker 2>their kids. They just want to wipe Israel off the map.

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<v Speaker 2>They just want to come a genocide, they say'd user

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<v Speaker 2>apes and pigs, and that's more important to them. And

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<v Speaker 2>you can really say the same about Iran. The Ayapola

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<v Speaker 2>Homini back in the day once said the revolution was

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<v Speaker 2>not about the price of watermelons, and what he met

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<v Speaker 2>by that was if I were to ask you what's

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<v Speaker 2>the role of government, you'd say, well, the role of

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<v Speaker 2>government is to improve the lives of the citizenry. And

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<v Speaker 2>then you might say, without a trick question, isn't that

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<v Speaker 2>obvious over there? That's not the way the Islamists look

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<v Speaker 2>at it. They view the role of government as trying

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<v Speaker 2>to create this caliphate, hopefully in the capitol of Mecca,

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<v Speaker 2>and killing all the people they deemed to be infidels,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's more important than anything else, and that is

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<v Speaker 2>why all their resources are directed towards war, towards Hesbola,

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<v Speaker 2>towards the hoolies. Even now, the Iranians can't keep the

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<v Speaker 2>lights on, they don't have water. I mean, certain basic

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<v Speaker 2>things we take for granted. You turn the faucet, water

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<v Speaker 2>comes out. They can't take that for granted in Iran.

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<v Speaker 2>And yet the Iranians are still sending billions and billions

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<v Speaker 2>of dollars. Took thems to Hespula, to the Hoovies, because again,

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<v Speaker 2>this is what's most important to them. That could just

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<v Speaker 2>make one final pull. When President Obama did the Iran deal,

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<v Speaker 2>it freed up over one hundred billion dollars to the Iranians,

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<v Speaker 2>and at the time, President Obama said, well, they're going

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<v Speaker 2>to spend that money on their kids, on their country,

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<v Speaker 2>on their economy, And it was ridiculous they took that

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<v Speaker 2>money and they sent it to the who these the

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<v Speaker 2>hes bought a kama because that's their national priority, that's

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<v Speaker 2>what's most important to them, and it just showed a

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<v Speaker 2>fundamental misunderstanding of Iranian priorities. And again, as you said,

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<v Speaker 2>thank with President Trump is in the White House and

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<v Speaker 2>we finally understand our enemies a little better than we

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<v Speaker 2>did before.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a culture of death. Some of US leaders when

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<v Speaker 1>asked why do you build your facilities underground below hospitals

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<v Speaker 1>and orphanages, in schools and apartment buildings, it's because the

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<v Speaker 1>civilians that are being killed to get at them are

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<v Speaker 1>also part of the Intifada against Israel. They want Palestinians

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<v Speaker 1>and gods and children to be killed by the Jew

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<v Speaker 1>in order to demonstrate to the UN into the world

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<v Speaker 1>world that there's some sort of holocaust happening, some sort

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<v Speaker 1>of genosade happening, which is a bunch of bs. They

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<v Speaker 1>Hamas specifically wants men, women, and children and gods it'll

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<v Speaker 1>be killed, and that's part of the Intifada, that's part

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<v Speaker 1>of They're part of it. They want four year old

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<v Speaker 1>girls to have their legs blown off because that's what

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<v Speaker 1>they want. It's a culture of death, not a culture

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<v Speaker 1>of life.

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<v Speaker 3>So why should anyone make peace with them? Right right now?

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<v Speaker 1>You know the talks are ongoing, it's going to be close.

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<v Speaker 1>The hostages are going to be released, allegedly. I'll believe

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<v Speaker 1>it when I see it. But why do business with

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<v Speaker 1>them at all? Because whether it's five thousand left or

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<v Speaker 1>five hundred left, they're committed to the destruction, the murder

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<v Speaker 1>of Jews and Westerners whoever they might be found.

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<v Speaker 3>Why accept their word for anything? We know what they want.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, they're not accepting their word. And that's what's different

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<v Speaker 2>about it this time. This time, we're not trusting the Palestinians.

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<v Speaker 2>The way the deal is set up, the first thing

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<v Speaker 2>that happens is the hostages go free. That's what we

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<v Speaker 2>all want to sha. The second thing, though, is the

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<v Speaker 2>key point. Israel is going to stay in Gaza with

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<v Speaker 2>its soldiers in a perimeter surrounding Gaza so that they

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<v Speaker 2>can no longer flood it with weapons from Egypt from Sinai. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>when Kamala Harris was vice president, she said, I will

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<v Speaker 2>not allow this. It was in a speech in July

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<v Speaker 2>of twenty twenty four when she was already, he presumed

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<v Speaker 2>a candidate for the Democrats. She said, I will not

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<v Speaker 2>allow this. I'm not going to let Israel have a

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<v Speaker 2>presence there. It'll shrink Gaza and that'll hurt the Palestinians. Well, well,

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<v Speaker 2>then if you're doing that, you're basically trusting Comas to

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<v Speaker 2>not do what he has done before and has been

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<v Speaker 2>doing for decades, which is just rearmed for the next round.

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<v Speaker 2>This time it's going to be different, and President Trump

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<v Speaker 2>has made that absolutely clear. He is also said Camas

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<v Speaker 2>is not going to be in power when this is over.

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<v Speaker 2>Gaza is going to demilitarize. There will be some sort

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<v Speaker 2>of civilian government, but Hamasa and the PA, the Palestinian authority,

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<v Speaker 2>which isn't really much better, they're just not going to

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<v Speaker 2>be allowed to take a part in that. So we

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<v Speaker 2>can only hope that it's going to get a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit better because now Israel will be in charge of

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<v Speaker 2>security instead of trusting the Palestinians who've broken their word,

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<v Speaker 2>basically broken every treaty they've ever signed.

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<v Speaker 1>Professor Yurik Kaufman, can you address yourself to the issue

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<v Speaker 1>why is Israel so despised by Europe, by the UN,

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<v Speaker 1>by American college kids, if a poll was done about

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<v Speaker 1>do you support Palestinians or israel I think the poll

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<v Speaker 1>indicates two thirds of Americans wrongfully educated by the miseducation systems.

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<v Speaker 1>We have support Palestinians over Israelis, who simply won piece

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<v Speaker 1>and Israel has few friends in the world.

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<v Speaker 3>Why is that?

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<v Speaker 2>The easiest way to understand this is to engage in

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<v Speaker 2>a thought experiment. So let's assume every fact of the

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<v Speaker 2>October seven attack happened exactly the way it did. Total

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<v Speaker 2>unprovoked attack. Twelve hundred people murdered, two hundred and fifty ostages,

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<v Speaker 2>women raped. One more fact you need to know the

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<v Speaker 2>Biden administration budgeted billions of dollars in aid for Gaza,

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<v Speaker 2>to whom they would characterize as the innocent civilians. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>let's assume all that happened exactly the way it did.

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<v Speaker 2>Only let's assume the attackers were Germans of another era

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<v Speaker 2>or Ukrainians, in other words, are white supremacists. Let's assume

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<v Speaker 2>they were white people. Right, do you really think that

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<v Speaker 2>Biden would have budgeted billions of dollars to white people

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<v Speaker 2>who said Jews are apes and pigs? And now hold

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<v Speaker 2>the thought, let's change all the identities of the players.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's assume again same attack, and let's assume white supremacists

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<v Speaker 2>instead of Arab supremacists. But let's assume they murdered twelve

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<v Speaker 2>hundred black people and they raped black women. And now

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<v Speaker 2>a Republican administration said, let's give billions of dollars to

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<v Speaker 2>the innocent civilians, the innocent white supremacist who say that

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<v Speaker 2>blacks are apes and pigs. There would have been rioting

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<v Speaker 2>in the streets, and rightly so. So what we have

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<v Speaker 2>here is this weird kind of dynamic. And then you

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<v Speaker 2>get into something called cognitive dis where when people have

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<v Speaker 2>deeply held beliefs and then facts appear the contradict the

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<v Speaker 2>belief people change the facts, not the beliefs. And that's

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<v Speaker 2>why Barack Obama, right after the attack tweeted that we

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<v Speaker 2>have to say facts that there's unclean hands on both sides. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>why don't he draw the moral equivalents, he said, because

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<v Speaker 2>of what he terms the unbearable occupation, Well, there was

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<v Speaker 2>no occupation Israels was drawn from Goza eighteen years before.

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<v Speaker 2>But he didn't like those facts, so he changed the

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<v Speaker 2>facts to fit the narrative and just one final thought.

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<v Speaker 2>Imagine for a moment again, a thought experiment. Every fact

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<v Speaker 2>happened exactly the way it did, and Iran was run

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<v Speaker 2>not by crazy ayahtolas who say jewser apes and pigs,

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<v Speaker 2>but by white supremacists who say Blacks are apes and pigs.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you really think he would have done in Iranvian?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you really think that Barack Obama would have agreed

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<v Speaker 2>that they get to keep the first generation centri if

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<v Speaker 2>you just continue their research, get over one hundred billion

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<v Speaker 2>dollars to spend on insurgents killing black people. They get

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<v Speaker 2>to make arms in five years, missiles in abs. They

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<v Speaker 2>enrich uranium in ten fifteen years later, from the beginning

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<v Speaker 2>of the agreement its sunsets. They get all the enriched

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<v Speaker 2>uranium back. The experts say the breakout period maybe a

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<v Speaker 2>few weeks, maybe a few months. The Iranians say they're

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<v Speaker 2>going to take that and drop a bomb on black people,

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<v Speaker 2>kill all the black people. Do you really think that

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<v Speaker 2>Obama would have done a deal? Of course not. But

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<v Speaker 2>it was with a regime run by what is turned

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<v Speaker 2>people of color, and the people they're fighting are a

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<v Speaker 2>white group of privileged. The Jews, and now suddenly it

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<v Speaker 2>all gets scrambled and you can convince yourself cognitive dissonance

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<v Speaker 2>that well, maybe the Iranians really hate us because of

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<v Speaker 2>that coop in nineteen fifty three, which is of course ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 2>The Iatola's Beast at Whop as well, just for the

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<v Speaker 2>same reason we did. They didn't want to see a

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<v Speaker 2>communist running Uran anymore than we did. I'm not defending

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<v Speaker 2>the coup itself. I'm just pointing out that's not why

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<v Speaker 2>they hate us. It's absurd, you know, And you to

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<v Speaker 2>convince yourself, well, they'll take that one hundred billion dollars,

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<v Speaker 2>they'll spend it on their kids. They're gonna lie to

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<v Speaker 2>love us. They're people of color, they're fighting oppression, and

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<v Speaker 2>you get all this nonsense which has passed around his truth,

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<v Speaker 2>and not just in college campuses, but in mainstream media,

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<v Speaker 2>in the New York Times, in CNN, in the BBC

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<v Speaker 2>by Christian Amenport. But I have to say not by

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<v Speaker 2>Bill Cunningham. And that's why it's so important to listen

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<v Speaker 2>to your show.

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<v Speaker 1>I went there. I went to Israel. You know, I

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<v Speaker 1>worked in Jewish law firms for a long time. Katzman

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<v Speaker 1>logan and helper, and for some reason, I feel a

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<v Speaker 1>great affinity for the Jewish people. What they've had to

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<v Speaker 1>put up with the Ring of Fire was something which

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<v Speaker 1>has largely been eliminated except for what's happening in certain

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<v Speaker 1>parts of Iran, in which they won't give up, they

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<v Speaker 1>won't spend their money to help their own people. They

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<v Speaker 1>continue to have the outside power about to take you over.

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<v Speaker 1>It's been used throughout history. The policies of the Iranian

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<v Speaker 1>government is awful, it's terrible, it makes no sense. However,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not our problem. It's the Jews causing the difficulties.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the classic what alf Hitler used against the Jews

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<v Speaker 1>is not our policies that have failed, is the Jews

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<v Speaker 1>destroying us. And that same idea is our policies have

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<v Speaker 1>failed internally. We can't look at ourselves as having failed.

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<v Speaker 1>Got to blame someone else for it. And that's always

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<v Speaker 1>throughout history the jew for causing the problems. And all

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<v Speaker 1>the Israeli wants to do is live in peace. Israel

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<v Speaker 1>is a multi dimensional I've seen the gay pride flag

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<v Speaker 1>flying in Jerusalem. I've gone to Catholic masses in Jerusalem.

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<v Speaker 1>I've seen twenty twenty five percent of the Kanesse are Muslims.

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<v Speaker 1>It is a Western style democracy. The truth will set

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<v Speaker 1>you free. But many as you say, I'm not going

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<v Speaker 1>to change my opinion, So I changed the facts. The

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<v Speaker 1>Palestinians have been in charge of the gods for almost

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<v Speaker 1>twenty years, and that they freely elected Hamasta be their government.

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<v Speaker 1>Knowing I think what would happen in the long run,

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<v Speaker 1>begging that Iran will get the nuclear weapon quickly.

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<v Speaker 3>Set it out over Israel.

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<v Speaker 1>All hell would break loose and then it's a culture

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<v Speaker 1>of death, and then they'll go to heaven with the

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<v Speaker 1>seventy two virgins. And I wish the rest of the

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<v Speaker 1>world could see the reality of what Israel faces and

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<v Speaker 1>what they've overcome. They've called the desert to bloom. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a multi functional, multi dimensional Western democracy and it's working.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm sure in the months ahead, when peace finally

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<v Speaker 1>comes and Benjamin not to, you know who's government's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be in trouble for not being prepared for what

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<v Speaker 1>happened on October the seventh, It's going to be a problem.

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<v Speaker 1>And I guess they're going to change governments, and I

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<v Speaker 1>pray the next government has his attitude when it comes

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<v Speaker 1>to defending our homeland and the professor Uri Kaufman book

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<v Speaker 1>Is America into Intofada. We've not even touched the surface

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<v Speaker 1>of the of what's happening on college campus is how

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<v Speaker 1>they're infiltrated and paid for by ignorance from the river

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<v Speaker 1>to the sea. They think it's the Mississippi and the Caribbean.

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<v Speaker 1>They have no idea it's Jordan. In other words, killed

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<v Speaker 1>the Jews the six million that remained. But Professor, well,

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<v Speaker 1>today's a big day. We'll see what happens down the road.

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<v Speaker 1>But thanks for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show and

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<v Speaker 1>Ury Kaufman the book Is America into Fada? Once again,

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show. Professor, you're

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<v Speaker 1>a great American. I think you have it right, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think I have it right.

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<v Speaker 2>I couldn't agree more. And thank you so much for

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<v Speaker 2>having me. It's always a privilege to speak to you

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<v Speaker 2>and a pleasure to be on the show.

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<v Speaker 3>God Bless America, God bless Israel. Thank you very much.

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