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Speaker 1: Bill Cunningham, the Great American October the seventh, twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: those of the Jewish faith. I think throughout the world

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Speaker 1: as far as the of the aggravation of what happened

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Speaker 1: what happened on that date is incredible. And joining you

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Speaker 1: and I now as Urik Kaufman, author of American Intafada

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Speaker 1: and Professor Uri Kaufman, welcome again to the Bill Cunningham Show.

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Speaker 1: And much as we did during nine to eleven or

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Speaker 1: maybe Pearl Harbor, the world change for Israel on October

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Speaker 1: the seventh, twenty twenty three. Can you describe Israel, say,

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Speaker 1: on October the third or fourth of twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 1: two or three days before the attack by hamas the

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Speaker 1: status of Israel at that point. Then we're going to

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Speaker 1: compare it to what Israel was today after October the seventh,

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Speaker 1: and what's happening today. But describe Israel, say a couple

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Speaker 1: of days before October the seventh.

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Speaker 2: You go back to let's say October the sixth, twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty three. Okay, Israel, I could say was in its

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Speaker 2: golden age. Its economy was thriving. It's per capita income

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Speaker 2: was higher than Germany, Italy, Britain, France, Canada. Even it

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Speaker 2: seemed like it was in an extended period of peace.

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Speaker 2: It was only spending three and a half percent of

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Speaker 2: its GDP on defense, the lowest level in its history,

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Speaker 2: I think, even a bit lower than what we spent

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Speaker 2: here in America. It really looked like blue skies ahead,

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Speaker 2: and then just overnight the whole thing went upside down,

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Speaker 2: which kind of is what happened in nineteen seventy three.

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Speaker 2: It looked like everything was great, and then October the sixth,

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Speaker 2: nineteen seventy three, came along and everything got turned upside down.

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Speaker 1: Of course, I was there six months before that. I

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Speaker 1: sensed when I spoke to israelis I spent time in

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Speaker 1: the West Bank, spent time in Masada, spent time in

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Speaker 1: Palestinian held territories. It was safe, it was secure. We

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Speaker 1: were told there might be some rockets at the Hotel David.

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Speaker 1: If that's the case, we'll give you a warning, go

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Speaker 1: into the stairwell. None of that happened. The streets were

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Speaker 1: full of tourism. I was told that before October the seventh,

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Speaker 1: and you know, there was full employment. About twenty five

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Speaker 1: thousand Palestinians came across the checkpoints every day. There was

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Speaker 1: a sense that we're over the hump. The Abraham Accords

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Speaker 1: were not quite fully implemented, but Trump was going to

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Speaker 1: win the election, in which case it'll be better. And

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden October seventh happened. Can you to

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Speaker 1: tell the American people why it happened? We've gone back

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Speaker 1: in time with Pearl Harbor and with nine to eleven.

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Speaker 1: Why did October the seventh happen? And why weren't the

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Speaker 1: Israeli government prepared for that?

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Speaker 2: Well, the lead that it happened was that CAMAS wanted

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Speaker 2: to prevent normalization between Israel and Saudi Arabia. And of course,

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Speaker 2: when we talk about CAMAS, it's a terrorist group. We

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Speaker 2: don't know the inner workings, it's all opaque. But this

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Speaker 2: is basically a good I guess you could say, assessment

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Speaker 2: of what happened. They did not want to see Israel normalized.

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Speaker 2: There was, as you say, talk of the Abraham Accords,

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Speaker 2: President Trump's Abraham Accords expanding, expanding to Saudi Arabia, expanding

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Speaker 2: to a country called Oman. Maybe some other players and

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Speaker 2: Hamas saw this. And you have to understand, Kamas never

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Speaker 2: gave up its dream of genocide, of killing all the Jews,

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Speaker 2: of wiping Israel off the map. Iran never gave up

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Speaker 2: on that dream. They had a clock ticking in downtown Tehran,

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Speaker 2: ticking down to a date in twenty forty when they

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Speaker 2: said they were going to kill all the Jews. Hesbila

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Speaker 2: what they called the ring of fire around Israel. It

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Speaker 2: was Camas, and not just Kamas in Gaza, but Hamas

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Speaker 2: in Judea, Samaria. It was Hesbola up in Lebanon. It

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Speaker 2: was Bishar Assad in Syria. It was the Iraqi militias

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Speaker 2: Iran itself. So they have this ring of fire. They

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Speaker 2: that ye yes Cin Nooir, the head of the mosque,

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Speaker 2: what happened. You never really need much of a reason. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 2: with the Jahadists, I guess you can say that it's

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Speaker 1: Why did October seventh militarily from the AMAS perspective, why

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Speaker 2: It's exactly what happened in nineteen seventy three. There was

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Speaker 2: a failure of a core assumption. The core assumption was

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Speaker 2: the Palestinians in Gaza are not going to go to

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Speaker 2: have to realize at that moment, as you indicated, seventeen

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Speaker 2: every day. Israel was supplying Gaza with sixty seven thousand

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Speaker 2: its fuel by the way, as an asside, The New

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Speaker 2: York Times described this as a blockade, sometimes as the

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Speaker 2: Draconian blockade. They like making stuff up. But the Palestinians

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Speaker 2: and God, there was no blockade. It was the opposite.

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Speaker 2: They had effectively given them the benefits of peace. Prime

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Speaker 2: there is thought to be natural gas, which would be,

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Speaker 2: of course a big source of wealth for the Palestinian people.

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Speaker 2: And no one dreamt that they would blow that up,

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Speaker 2: but they did, and they did because, as the Kamas

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Speaker 2: leaders themselves said, they're not like you and me. They're

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Speaker 2: not like the West. They're not really concerned about bettering

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Speaker 2: the lives of their people. They're not concerned with raising

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Speaker 2: their kids. They just want to wipe Israel off the map.

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Speaker 2: They just want to come a genocide, they say'd user

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Speaker 2: you can really say the same about Iran. The Ayapola

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Speaker 2: Homini back in the day once said the revolution was

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Speaker 2: not about the price of watermelons, and what he met

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Speaker 2: by that was if I were to ask you what's

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Speaker 2: the role of government, you'd say, well, the role of

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Speaker 2: then you might say, without a trick question, isn't that

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Speaker 2: obvious over there? That's not the way the Islamists look

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Speaker 2: at it. They view the role of government as trying

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Speaker 2: and killing all the people they deemed to be infidels,

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Speaker 2: and that's more important than anything else, and that is

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Speaker 2: why all their resources are directed towards war, towards Hesbola,

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Speaker 2: towards the hoolies. Even now, the Iranians can't keep the

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Speaker 2: lights on, they don't have water. I mean, certain basic

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Speaker 2: And yet the Iranians are still sending billions and billions

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Speaker 2: this is what's most important to them. That could just

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Speaker 2: make one final pull. When President Obama did the Iran deal,

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Speaker 2: it freed up over one hundred billion dollars to the Iranians,

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Speaker 2: hes bought a kama because that's their national priority, that's

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Speaker 2: fundamental misunderstanding of Iranian priorities. And again, as you said,

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Speaker 2: thank with President Trump is in the White House and

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Speaker 2: we finally understand our enemies a little better than we

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Speaker 1: It's a culture of death. Some of US leaders when

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Speaker 1: asked why do you build your facilities underground below hospitals

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Speaker 1: and orphanages, in schools and apartment buildings, it's because the

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Speaker 1: civilians that are being killed to get at them are

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Speaker 1: also part of the Intifada against Israel. They want Palestinians

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Speaker 1: in order to demonstrate to the UN into the world

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Speaker 1: world that there's some sort of holocaust happening, some sort

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Speaker 1: of genosade happening, which is a bunch of bs. They

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Speaker 1: Hamas specifically wants men, women, and children and gods it'll

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Speaker 1: be killed, and that's part of the Intifada, that's part

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Speaker 1: of They're part of it. They want four year old

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Speaker 1: they want. It's a culture of death, not a culture

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Speaker 3: So why should anyone make peace with them? Right right now?

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Speaker 1: You know the talks are ongoing, it's going to be close.

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Speaker 1: The hostages are going to be released, allegedly. I'll believe

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Speaker 1: it when I see it. But why do business with

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Speaker 1: them at all? Because whether it's five thousand left or

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Speaker 3: Why accept their word for anything? We know what they want.

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Speaker 2: Well, they're not accepting their word. And that's what's different

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Speaker 2: about it this time. This time, we're not trusting the Palestinians.

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Speaker 2: The way the deal is set up, the first thing

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Speaker 2: that happens is the hostages go free. That's what we

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Speaker 2: key point. Israel is going to stay in Gaza with

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Speaker 2: can no longer flood it with weapons from Egypt from Sinai. Now,

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Speaker 2: when Kamala Harris was vice president, she said, I will

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Speaker 2: not allow this. It was in a speech in July

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Speaker 2: then if you're doing that, you're basically trusting Comas to

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Speaker 2: This time it's going to be different, and President Trump

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Speaker 2: has made that absolutely clear. He is also said Camas

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Speaker 2: Gaza is going to demilitarize. There will be some sort

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Speaker 2: which isn't really much better, they're just not going to

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Speaker 2: bit better because now Israel will be in charge of

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Speaker 2: security instead of trusting the Palestinians who've broken their word,

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Speaker 2: basically broken every treaty they've ever signed.

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Speaker 1: Professor Yurik Kaufman, can you address yourself to the issue

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Speaker 1: why is Israel so despised by Europe, by the UN,

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Speaker 1: by American college kids, if a poll was done about

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Speaker 1: do you support Palestinians or israel I think the poll

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Speaker 1: indicates two thirds of Americans wrongfully educated by the miseducation systems.

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Speaker 1: We have support Palestinians over Israelis, who simply won piece

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Speaker 1: and Israel has few friends in the world.

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Speaker 3: Why is that?

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Speaker 2: The easiest way to understand this is to engage in

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Speaker 2: a thought experiment. So let's assume every fact of the

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Speaker 2: October seven attack happened exactly the way it did. Total

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Speaker 2: unprovoked attack. Twelve hundred people murdered, two hundred and fifty ostages,

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Speaker 2: women raped. One more fact you need to know the

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Speaker 2: Biden administration budgeted billions of dollars in aid for Gaza,

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Speaker 2: to whom they would characterize as the innocent civilians. Okay,

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Speaker 2: let's assume all that happened exactly the way it did.

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Speaker 2: Only let's assume the attackers were Germans of another era

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Speaker 2: or Ukrainians, in other words, are white supremacists. Let's assume

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Speaker 2: they were white people. Right, do you really think that

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Speaker 2: Biden would have budgeted billions of dollars to white people

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Speaker 2: who said Jews are apes and pigs? And now hold

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Speaker 2: the thought, let's change all the identities of the players.

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Speaker 1: I went there. I went to Israel. You know, I

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Speaker 1: It's been used throughout history. The policies of the Iranian

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Speaker 1: it's not our problem. It's the Jews causing the difficulties.

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Speaker 1: It's the classic what alf Hitler used against the Jews

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Speaker 1: the Israeli wants to do is live in peace. Israel

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Speaker 1: It is a Western style democracy. The truth will set

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Speaker 1: to change my opinion, So I changed the facts. The

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Speaker 1: All hell would break loose and then it's a culture

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Speaker 1: And I'm sure in the months ahead, when peace finally

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Speaker 1: And I guess they're going to change governments, and I

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Speaker 1: to defending our homeland and the professor Uri Kaufman book

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Speaker 1: Is America into Intofada. We've not even touched the surface

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Speaker 1: of the of what's happening on college campus is how

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Speaker 1: they're infiltrated and paid for by ignorance from the river

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Speaker 1: They have no idea it's Jordan. In other words, killed

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Speaker 1: the Jews the six million that remained. But Professor, well,

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Speaker 1: today's a big day. We'll see what happens down the road.

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Speaker 1: But thanks for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show and

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Speaker 1: Ury Kaufman the book Is America into Fada? Once again,

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Speaker 1: Thanks for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show. Professor, you're

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Speaker 1: a great American. I think you have it right, and

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Speaker 1: I think I have it right.

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Speaker 2: I couldn't agree more. And thank you so much for

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Speaker 2: and a pleasure to be on the show.

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Speaker 3: God Bless America, God bless Israel. Thank you very much.

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