WEBVTT - Early Voting on CA Prop 50 | Vaccine Skepticism Hits Pet Owners

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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to Bill Handle on demand from KFI AM

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<v Speaker 1>six fortyfi AM six forty Bill Handle.

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<v Speaker 2>Here it is a Tuesday morning, October twenty eighth.

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<v Speaker 1>All right.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the big issues that we're dealing with, and

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<v Speaker 2>that's coming up this election coming up November fourth.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's right around the corner is the.

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<v Speaker 2>Is Proposition fifty special election, and that's the only thing

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<v Speaker 2>on the ballot, and it's two hundred three hundred million dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it is a chunk of money to hold

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<v Speaker 2>any kind of election in the state, statewide election. And

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<v Speaker 2>Prop fifty, as you probably know, is in response to

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<v Speaker 2>what Texas did at the urging of President Trump. President

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<v Speaker 2>Trump picks up the phone and says to Republicans or

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<v Speaker 2>Republican legislatures or companies, here's what I want you to do.

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<v Speaker 2>And before where he actually puts down the phone, they're

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<v Speaker 2>already doing it. He certainly does that with Congress, He

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<v Speaker 2>certainly certainly does that with state legislatures. And that's what

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<v Speaker 2>happened in Texas. Texas. Usually it has to do with redistricting,

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<v Speaker 2>and generally redistricting is done by the legislature in many states,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's done every ten years.

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<v Speaker 1>Based on the census.

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<v Speaker 2>Trump asked Texas to throw that away and mid census

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<v Speaker 2>then redistrict. Redistricting mean they draw up a new map,

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<v Speaker 2>and based on the map and the number of Democrats Republicans,

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<v Speaker 2>things like if there is a democratic area, a state

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<v Speaker 2>can redraft the entire map. So basically, all the Democrats

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<v Speaker 2>are crowded in the one district that's a throwaway that

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<v Speaker 2>becomes democratic, but the other ones, the swing areas around it,

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<v Speaker 2>you can have them lean or Republican as opposed to

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<v Speaker 2>let's say, even Stephen And that's what Texas did. Texas

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<v Speaker 2>created effectively five new districts leaning Republicans and therefore changing

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<v Speaker 2>what Congress is going to be made of. All Right,

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<v Speaker 2>so California says, okay, we're gonna go this. We're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>do the same damn thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>The problem in California is that by proposition, we have

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<v Speaker 2>voted not for the legislature to read district but an

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<v Speaker 2>independent commission, so no politics are brought into it. Equal

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<v Speaker 2>number of Democrats, Republicans and at the same time some

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<v Speaker 2>independent authorities.

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<v Speaker 1>So what has happened is that.

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<v Speaker 2>There is a special election saying we're gonna California's going

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<v Speaker 2>to bring it in to the same way Texas is.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the fight for Prop fifty except the differences. We

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<v Speaker 2>have a we have a democratic legislature and we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to add five new Democratic seats or move it around,

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<v Speaker 2>so Democrats will probably prevail. Now that has to be

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<v Speaker 2>done by proposition, because establishing the Independent Commission was done

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<v Speaker 2>by proposition. So you can only undo a proposition by

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<v Speaker 2>proposition or changing in the Constitution of California, which, by

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<v Speaker 2>the way, no one has any doalua what it looks like.

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<v Speaker 1>It's five hundred pages.

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<v Speaker 2>There are things in the constitution that were passed twenty

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<v Speaker 2>years ago that we've reversed and then reversed again, and

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<v Speaker 2>then reversed back again.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a god awful mess. So now we have this

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<v Speaker 1>massive move in the state, and.

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<v Speaker 2>Because it is a democratically led state, on the ballot

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<v Speaker 2>it goes and the legislature put this on the ballot.

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<v Speaker 1>Which way are we going to go?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, there's the anti fifty movement out there, of which

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<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump is the head of it. He doesn't want

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<v Speaker 2>Democrats prevailing. He only wants Republicans, which makes sense. He's

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<v Speaker 2>a Republican president.

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<v Speaker 1>I get that.

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<v Speaker 2>And also what he is doing is and this is

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<v Speaker 2>against the wishes in the philosophy of the Republican Party

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<v Speaker 2>in California, and that is to go against the mail

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<v Speaker 2>in ballots. There have been more than four million of

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<v Speaker 2>these mail in ballots already brought in. Eighteen percent eighteen

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<v Speaker 2>percent of the people have already sent in their ballots

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<v Speaker 2>I have. That is as of Friday, and Democrats outpace

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<v Speaker 2>Republicans returning those ballots twenty eight percent. Those without a

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<v Speaker 2>party preference that's me or any political party, twenty one

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<v Speaker 2>percent of us have returned those ballots. So let me

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<v Speaker 2>tell you this is really scaring Republicans, big time Republicans.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's what Trump writes. No, this is with the San

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<v Speaker 2>Diego GOP posted. It's simple, Republicans need to stop complaining

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<v Speaker 2>and vote. We ask and ask and yes and ask.

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<v Speaker 2>Yet turnout still lags. To win this one GOP turnout

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<v Speaker 2>needs to be terially better than average.

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<v Speaker 1>It's very doable, but it just won't happen. You have

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<v Speaker 1>to work at it.

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<v Speaker 2>Now. The president, for some reason, thinks that early voting

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<v Speaker 2>hurts the party. Historically, early voting helped the Republicans. It

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<v Speaker 2>was the Democrats who walked in on election day and

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<v Speaker 2>voted that has reversed, and the GOP is saying, we've

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<v Speaker 2>got to go back to those days, and the President

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<v Speaker 2>not recognizing that, certainly at least in California, is pushing

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<v Speaker 2>to get rid of mail in ballots. And now you

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<v Speaker 2>have the fight or the argument between President Trump and

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<v Speaker 2>the California GOP, the California Republicans. And if I'll tell

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<v Speaker 2>you right now, if Trump prevails on this one and

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<v Speaker 2>again this is this is not politics, this is just facts.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I'm just looking at this sort of objectively.

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<v Speaker 2>If Trump prevailed, the Republicans will lose because Republicans don't

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<v Speaker 2>vote early. And the Republican Party in California says, we

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<v Speaker 2>have to vote early, we have to vote early. We're

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<v Speaker 2>going to lose if we don't vote early. The Democrats

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<v Speaker 2>are and the President hates early voting, hates mail in ballots,

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<v Speaker 2>always has and he's fighting like crazy and for the

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<v Speaker 2>sake of the Republican Party here in California. And now

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<v Speaker 2>I'm arguing for the Republican Party, I well, it depends

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<v Speaker 2>on it doesn't matter what I hope happens. But I

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<v Speaker 2>think what's going to happen is the Republicans are going

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<v Speaker 2>to get hurt big time if they listen to President

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<v Speaker 2>Trump on this one. All right, LA homeowners are among

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<v Speaker 2>and this is Southern California in general. This is a

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<v Speaker 2>story about LA because LA is sort of the poster

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<v Speaker 2>child of all of Southern California. We're among the most

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<v Speaker 2>house poor in the country. What is house poor? Well,

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<v Speaker 2>first of all, a study published by Consumer Affairs and

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<v Speaker 2>it's a finance terms. They did the study. I'll tell

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<v Speaker 2>you about the stats in a minute. They did this study,

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<v Speaker 2>and house poor is the finance term you used to

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<v Speaker 2>describe someone who spends a disproportionate amount of their income

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<v Speaker 2>on housing costs, with very little leftover for other expenses. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>as of this report, it says that about a third

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<v Speaker 2>of the cost of housing is what it's costing homeowners

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<v Speaker 2>currently in Southern California.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, it always used to.

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<v Speaker 2>Be that renters would pay a disproportionate share. We always

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<v Speaker 2>talked about renters and when you look at finance, your

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<v Speaker 2>borrowing money, or you're looking at stats, you should only

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<v Speaker 2>pay about a third of your income towards housing. And

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<v Speaker 2>Amy said, Oh, Bill Amy, and how much did you

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<v Speaker 2>say you paid. I'm sorry to interrupt you. How much

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<v Speaker 2>do you pay as a percentage of your income towards

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<v Speaker 2>your rent?

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<v Speaker 1>Over half? See?

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<v Speaker 2>And that is unfortunately more more usual than not in

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<v Speaker 2>southern California. But I want to go to home ownership

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<v Speaker 2>for a moment. Here's a stat The typical household in

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<v Speaker 2>LA earns about almost eleven thousand dollars per month, spends

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<v Speaker 2>more than thirty five hundred in a housing about thirty

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<v Speaker 2>two and a half percent.

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<v Speaker 1>LA monthly housing costs among the highest.

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<v Speaker 2>And so what they've done, the consumer affairs folks, They

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<v Speaker 2>have listed California or Southern California as number four in

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<v Speaker 2>the nation as opposed to in describing the most unreachable,

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<v Speaker 2>unaffordable houses.

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<v Speaker 1>A couple of things.

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<v Speaker 2>Inflation that affects all of us property tax double the

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<v Speaker 2>national average. Because there's a million dollar home is nothing

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<v Speaker 2>out there today a median in I think we're almost

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<v Speaker 2>at a million dollars in median income, and that is

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<v Speaker 2>outpacing what the homeowners are earning. Every year, housing costs

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<v Speaker 2>increase almost four percent from twenty three to twenty twenty four,

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<v Speaker 2>incomes fell by zero point one percent. Houses are getting

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<v Speaker 2>more expensive, income is dropping, and that is uh, it's

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<v Speaker 2>a real problem. And this is a conversation I have

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<v Speaker 2>with Lindsey all the time, and she is very angry

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<v Speaker 2>that I'm a baby boomer. Why because I and that's

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<v Speaker 2>you that are in the world of baby boom boom osity.

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<v Speaker 1>Boomiosity that we are.

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<v Speaker 2>We've taken all the good stuff pright when we bought

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<v Speaker 2>for When we first bought houses, mortgages were low. Houses

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<v Speaker 2>were two hundred and three hundred thousand dollars. Today houses

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<v Speaker 2>are completely out of reach. When I sold the Persian Palace,

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<v Speaker 2>and just before I sold it, I looked at it

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<v Speaker 2>and we were listing it. Uh it was I say,

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<v Speaker 2>I would tell myself, I could never afford to buy

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<v Speaker 2>this house. Today, there is no way I could afford

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<v Speaker 2>to buy this house. And I make a good living.

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<v Speaker 2>And how did I have that house? I bought my

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<v Speaker 2>first one in my twenties, then I sold it and

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<v Speaker 2>bought another one in my thirties, and then another one

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<v Speaker 2>in my thirties, and then in my forties I bought

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<v Speaker 2>another one and just kept on climbing that ladder. You

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<v Speaker 2>can't climb the ladder today, because you can't get on

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<v Speaker 2>the ladder. I talked to my daughter, Pamela, and she said, Dad,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm never going to be able to afford a house

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<v Speaker 2>here in southern California.

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<v Speaker 1>Am I Not a chance? Not a chance. Median price

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<v Speaker 1>for a home is over a million dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>Where does someone in their twenties or early thirties get,

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<v Speaker 2>first of all, two hundred thousand dollars down payment and

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<v Speaker 2>then pay six or seven thousand dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>A month in mortgage payments? Can't be done.

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<v Speaker 2>So why as I started this that I say, statistically,

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<v Speaker 2>according to Consumer Affairs, we are number four as the

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<v Speaker 2>most expensive city for housing.

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<v Speaker 1>Why should we be number one? The only reason we're not.

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<v Speaker 2>The most expensive is because we actually earn more money

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<v Speaker 2>than in other cities.

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<v Speaker 1>The earning gap is bigger.

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<v Speaker 2>Southern Californians earn a lot of money, however, relative to

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<v Speaker 2>the price of housing.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's no fun. So I just want to make

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<v Speaker 1>you feel better.

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<v Speaker 2>So Amy, now that you're paying over fifty percent, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to suggest you just kill yourself because there's there's

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<v Speaker 2>no future for you.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I already have a house in Oregon. I'm holding

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<v Speaker 1>on to that. Yeah, you have to.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, just real quickly, I want to ask you this question.

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<v Speaker 2>How how big is your house? How many square footage?

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<v Speaker 2>How many square feets?

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<v Speaker 1>Eighteen eighteen fifty?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, eighteen hundred eighteen fifty, which is you know it's

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<v Speaker 2>small on the house front, big on the apartment size.

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<v Speaker 2>But okay, let's say it's a moderately sized homes.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a four bedroom house. Yeah, okay, what's your property tax?

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<v Speaker 1>I have no idea? Wow? That helps?

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<v Speaker 2>That helps me at this segment a lot. How can

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<v Speaker 2>you have no idea what your property tax is on

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<v Speaker 2>a house you own.

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<v Speaker 1>Because it's all written into the mortgage, so I don't

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<v Speaker 1>have to. I just don't even worry about it because

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<v Speaker 1>it's just there. Okay, But the point is it's affordable.

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<v Speaker 2>Boy, you didn't help me at this segment at all, Amy, Sorry, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>this was not good.

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<v Speaker 1>I should Yeah, that one didn't work at all. Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Moving into politics now, Uh, the midterms are coming up,

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<v Speaker 2>and then we look at the presidential because that's obviously

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<v Speaker 2>the big one and it's going to be wide open,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe unless President Trump wins a third term and the

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<v Speaker 2>Constitution is amended.

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<v Speaker 1>So do I think that's going to happen.

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<v Speaker 2>I do not. As a matter of fact, We're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>change Hail to the Chief to hail to the Trump Right,

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<v Speaker 2>ain't gonna happen, Okay, I mean people have all kinds

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<v Speaker 2>of wishes. Now what does happen is what happens during

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<v Speaker 2>the primaries, right, And which state is first? We often

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<v Speaker 2>hear about New Hampshire's the first state in the Union

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<v Speaker 2>to have that primary. And it's one little town in

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<v Speaker 2>New Hampshire where four people vote, and the influence that

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<v Speaker 2>it has for people voting is extraordinary. It's covered just

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<v Speaker 2>to a huge extent by the media because that sets

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<v Speaker 2>the stage, and early early primaries mean that it looks

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<v Speaker 2>like we're going to see.

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<v Speaker 1>Who the nominee is where.

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<v Speaker 2>Quite often, by the time California comes into it, we're

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<v Speaker 2>on Super Tuesday, it's already been done, and we really

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<v Speaker 2>don't have much influence.

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<v Speaker 1>Forty million people. We're talking about primaries.

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<v Speaker 2>We're talking about candidate for either the Publican ticket or

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<v Speaker 2>the Democratic ticket. And there are four states that were

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<v Speaker 2>always always there at the front, New Hampshire being one

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<v Speaker 2>of them, North Carolina being another one, Iowa being another one.

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<v Speaker 1>Now Iowa is the caucus.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, usually primaries are run basically like general elections.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, you vote in the booth, then there's your primary.

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<v Speaker 2>The Iowa caucuses are fascinating because this goes way way

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<v Speaker 2>back historically. And typically you'd have, for example, Republican Party

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<v Speaker 2>members who were chosen to elect the primary candidate.

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<v Speaker 1>They would meet in a gymnasium. For example.

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<v Speaker 2>They would all meet in the gymnasium, and let's say

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<v Speaker 2>there were four candidates over there. In that corner is

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<v Speaker 2>Candidate A, the other corner is candidate B. And people

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<v Speaker 2>were milling around and they just went to those corners

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<v Speaker 2>and then those votes counted. That's how they put a

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<v Speaker 2>candidate on the ballot in Iowa with the caucuses. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>it is completely crazy. The point is that you have

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<v Speaker 2>these states that have relatively low populations have extraordinary influence

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<v Speaker 2>on who the candidates are. Why, because they're early and

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<v Speaker 2>you can say, oh, boy, Iowa, this candidate is substantially ahead,

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<v Speaker 2>and here you go. Therefore we have a candidate that

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<v Speaker 2>very well might win because that candidate is getting all

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<v Speaker 2>the attention. Well, you now have the Democratic in this case,

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<v Speaker 2>is the Democratic National Committee is saying no, it was

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<v Speaker 2>a disaster last time with Iowa. So what they are

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<v Speaker 2>doing instead of the big four that traditionally have gone first,

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<v Speaker 2>they need permission from the Democratic National Committee. The lineup

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<v Speaker 2>the dates are allowed by the Democratic National Committee. That's

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<v Speaker 2>who sets up the date. And by the way, you

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<v Speaker 2>know who owns a Democratic National Committe.

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<v Speaker 1>Who controlled it the.

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<v Speaker 2>President And Joe Biden was the one that was really

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<v Speaker 2>pissed off last time around, so he told the DNCA,

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<v Speaker 2>here's the way it should be done. And the president,

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<v Speaker 2>the sitting president is always in charge of the party

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<v Speaker 2>where he or.

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<v Speaker 1>She comes from.

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<v Speaker 2>And so what is the DNC doing. They're asking for invitations?

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<v Speaker 2>Why don't you apply and see who goes first? Because

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<v Speaker 2>now there is a run up. Every state wants to

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<v Speaker 2>go first because every state wants to be more influential

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<v Speaker 2>than the other state. So you have a little, tiny state,

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<v Speaker 2>relatively little state, let's say Iowa, or let's say well

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<v Speaker 2>in New Hampshire's ridiculous, has six people in the entire state.

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<v Speaker 2>Or you have North Carolina. I mean there's a fair

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<v Speaker 2>number of people, but certainly not California. Why do they

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<v Speaker 2>want to go first because quite often if there's a

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<v Speaker 2>front runner in those early states. The momentums now, the

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<v Speaker 2>momentum now starts swinging and by the time we get

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<v Speaker 2>to California, it's.

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<v Speaker 1>Sort of all done. And frankly, you know, we're a

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<v Speaker 1>powerful state.

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<v Speaker 2>We should have a lot more say in what happens

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<v Speaker 2>than we do, and New Hampshire should have a lot

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<v Speaker 2>less say in what they do.

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<v Speaker 1>You can put.

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<v Speaker 2>Excuse me, you can put all of New Hampshire in

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<v Speaker 2>well South Coast Plaza.

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<v Speaker 1>That's it.

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<v Speaker 2>That's their New Hampshire right there, both in terms of

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<v Speaker 2>size and in terms of population. And can you imagine

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<v Speaker 2>it actually can be argued New Hampshire has more influence

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<v Speaker 2>than California does. And then Super Tuesday does it for everybody.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean that wraps it all up. Quite often before

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<v Speaker 2>Super Tuesday, the nomination has already done, so they're changing

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<v Speaker 2>it around.

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<v Speaker 1>Although I love the idea of the caucus.

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<v Speaker 2>You guys who are voting for name candidate here, you

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<v Speaker 2>go under the basketball hoop and will count you and

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<v Speaker 2>the other ones. You go to the exit door or

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<v Speaker 2>right next to the exit door, and we'll count you there.

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<v Speaker 2>And then they mill around and they change because everybody's talking.

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<v Speaker 2>You go to your neighbor go, no, no, you want

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<v Speaker 2>this guy, So he walks across to the other corner.

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<v Speaker 2>It's great fun. Now I love these stories. This one's

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<v Speaker 2>about vaccines and the anti vaxers. And if you've been

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<v Speaker 2>listening to this show at all, you know that I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not a big anti vaxers. I actually believe in vaccines.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's real science. Okay, So this is the story.

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<v Speaker 2>They came out of Statico, which is online publication, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's an interview with doctor Kelly McGuire. And most of

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<v Speaker 2>her career, vaccination she's a vet, was a routine, very

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<v Speaker 2>unremarkable part of her works, just a small animal veterinarian,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was just no big deal. You take your pet,

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<v Speaker 2>end to get vaccinated, your dog. You know, you get

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<v Speaker 2>the raby shot. I mean that's sort of a given

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<v Speaker 2>matter of fact.

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<v Speaker 1>I as law.

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<v Speaker 2>But after the pandemic hit she was having really long

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<v Speaker 2>adversarial discussions and altercations with pet owners about the safety,

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<v Speaker 2>the necessity of vaccines, clients accuser of pushing vaccines so

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<v Speaker 2>she can make more money. And over the last several years,

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<v Speaker 2>the anti vaxx movement has of course exploded, fueled in

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<v Speaker 2>part by COVID nine.

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<v Speaker 1>The politicism, the politicis politicization of it.

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<v Speaker 2>And then of course Robert Kennedy, who actually headed a

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<v Speaker 2>created an organization to fight vaccines. Well, people are being

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<v Speaker 2>vaccinated way less mistles have come storming back.

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<v Speaker 1>Vice vaccine mandates are under fire.

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<v Speaker 2>Last month, Floor announced plans to end all vaccine mandates.

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<v Speaker 2>By law, any kid can go to school without any

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<v Speaker 2>vaccination whatsoever.

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<v Speaker 1>And so the question now is has it gone in

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<v Speaker 1>the world of.

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<v Speaker 2>Animals and veterinarians the anti vaxx movement, yes, it has

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<v Speaker 2>no question about it. Now. There is there's no solid

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<v Speaker 2>data on vaccination rates and American pets, so we don't

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<v Speaker 2>have that information. But there are some recent studies suggest

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<v Speaker 2>that there is a big or bigger share of owners

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<v Speaker 2>that have concerns about vaccinations.

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<v Speaker 1>One Ohio State University.

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<v Speaker 2>Veterinarian veterinarian who has studied this as, are we going

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<v Speaker 2>to start undoing mandates for rabies vaccinations, which is one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred percent fatal when a dog has it. And by

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<v Speaker 2>the way, when you get bitten by a dog that

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<v Speaker 2>has rabies, that's a lot of fun. It really is, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>so real quickly, because I want to get to this

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<v Speaker 2>because this one is absolutely more fun than you can imagine,

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<v Speaker 2>all right. Twenty twenty three survey fifty two of pet

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<v Speaker 2>owners express some uncertainty about the safety, efficacy importance of

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<v Speaker 2>pet vaccinations. Vaccine hesitancy among the veterinary crowd, like the

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<v Speaker 2>human counterpart is going up.

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<v Speaker 1>So here is my favorite, my absolute favorite.

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<v Speaker 2>According to this article, some people worry that pets receive

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<v Speaker 2>too many vaccination Lindsey does.

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<v Speaker 1>She has a minimum, but she doesn't go all out

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<v Speaker 1>like I do.

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<v Speaker 2>And people believe it's better for pets to get immunity

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<v Speaker 2>from the disease itself. There's that crowd too, right, You

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<v Speaker 2>get the disease and you become immune rabies. How about

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<v Speaker 2>this one? You die, boy, that's immunity. Once you're dead,

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<v Speaker 2>you're not catching anything anymore. You are completely immune. And

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<v Speaker 2>now my favorite. There's a growing group that express the

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<v Speaker 2>express concern that vaccines could lead to cognitive and behavioral

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<v Speaker 2>changes in their pets, including, drum roll please, autism autism

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<v Speaker 2>in your dog. Now, I don't know what an autistic

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<v Speaker 2>dog looks like. Maybe it looks down at the ground,

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't bark, doesn't talk. It's not particularly social But when

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<v Speaker 2>we've reached the point that, by the way, autism does

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<v Speaker 2>not exist in any species other than humans, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know if you're aware of that. Cats don't get autism,

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<v Speaker 2>canaries don't get autism, antelope don't get autism.

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<v Speaker 1>Ardvarks don't get autism. Humans get autism.

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<v Speaker 2>When you have a movement that says they're concerned about

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<v Speaker 2>autism in dogs and cats, you've just reached crazy to

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<v Speaker 2>a level that is almost incomprehensible. I mean, this is

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<v Speaker 2>crazy with a capital K. I'll tell you that right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Boy KF I am six forty.

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