1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:03,760 Speaker 1: Hey, Michael, I had heard an extended clip of that 2 00:00:03,920 --> 00:00:08,520 Speaker 1: crazy activist preacher lawyer lady, and it sounded to me 3 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:11,960 Speaker 1: like she said they were at that church because there 4 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:17,720 Speaker 1: was someone there affiliated with the directing the operations of 5 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:21,439 Speaker 1: the ICE agents in Saint Paul. Is that anything that 6 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 1: you heard? 7 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 2: No, I mentioned that the minister is a ICE agent. 8 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 2: In fact, I think he's a supervisor. So in fact, 9 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:41,879 Speaker 2: there may be more than one ICE officer involved in 10 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:49,200 Speaker 2: that church. But yes, that is that is true. Let's 11 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 2: go from that to kind of a broader scope of 12 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 2: the entire immigration debate, because I think it's starting to 13 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 2: turn on a on a simple but I think a 14 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 2: dangerous confusion because some of these activists that is not 15 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:09,679 Speaker 2: going into the church. I think some of these activists 16 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:13,959 Speaker 2: believe that they're free to just follow these federal agents 17 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 2: wherever they go. You know, they've been tracking them from 18 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 2: their hotels and their offices. They've been actually communicating among 19 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 2: themselves about, you know, their movements in real time, and 20 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 2: I think they believe that somehow they can physically interfere 21 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:31,760 Speaker 2: when an arrest is imminent. Now, I don't think that 22 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:37,759 Speaker 2: confusion is accidental. I think that confusion is something nothing. 23 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 2: Let me back up. The confusion is not accidental. What 24 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 2: is happening are that the people, the puppet masters behind 25 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 2: all of this activism, are teaching them that it's okay 26 00:01:54,160 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 2: to do these things. Again. The primary group on by 27 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 2: Source and others is a group called ice Watch. Now 28 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 2: they've been training activists to treat law enforcement, particularly federal 29 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 2: law enforcement, as the prey rather than as officers executing 30 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:19,080 Speaker 2: lawful duties. Minnesota has become the clearest case study because 31 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 2: the law does not permit this kind of conduct and 32 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 2: it never has. And even though there's longstanding case law 33 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 2: that says, you know, arresting or stopping someone, detaining someone 34 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 2: because you are interfering with their activities, you are following them, 35 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:40,640 Speaker 2: you're doing all these things. That's pretty solid case law. 36 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 2: What is interesting to me is that a lot of 37 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:49,520 Speaker 2: judicial efforts are trying to normalize this behavior, and in 38 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 2: doing so, these activist judges who are taking well established 39 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 2: case law turning it on its head, are endangering these 40 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:02,239 Speaker 2: federal agents. Now, remember I come from a point of 41 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 2: view that is a little schizophrenia because i've, as I 42 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:13,800 Speaker 2: have told you a bazillion times, I used to represent 43 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 2: law enforcement when I practice law, and so I know 44 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 2: the dangers and the problems and everything that they face. 45 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:24,960 Speaker 2: I've represented them in the contract negotiations, I've represented them 46 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 2: in federal court. I've represented in almost every aspect of 47 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 2: their profession that you can possibly imagine, including winnings some 48 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 2: civil rights cases for some who had their civil rights violated. 49 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 2: So I'm on their side, But I also have this 50 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 2: anti authoritarian streak, and I know that sometimes that what 51 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 2: we see happening causes us to feel repulsed by it 52 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 2: because it's something that we just don't watch every day, 53 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 2: but now being thrown in our faces all the time 54 00:03:56,080 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 2: because of their tactics. Think about the structure of the tactic. 55 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 2: So with some YAHOO waits outside a hotel or an 56 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 2: office that is known to house federal agents. Now in particular, 57 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 2: I'm talking about immigrations and Customs enforcement. Now I'm going 58 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:18,599 Speaker 2: to use the term federal agents because this is true 59 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:22,919 Speaker 2: of the FBI, it would be true of any federal 60 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 2: law enforcement, the Federal Protective Service, US Marshals, Ice, Customs 61 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:29,480 Speaker 2: and Border Patrol, anybody who has law enforcement authority at 62 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 2: the federal level. So one of these yahoo's waits outside 63 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 2: in their car, waits outside a hotel or an office 64 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 2: where they know these federal law enforcement officers are. So 65 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 2: when the agents leave, the YAHOO then follows in a vehicle. 66 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:51,279 Speaker 2: As they're following, the locations get relayed to others so 67 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 2: that they can warn the illegal aliens, who can then 68 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:58,480 Speaker 2: be told about a their coming or they're in this 69 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 2: area whatever, and that they can and flee and if 70 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 2: they being detained or captured or deported. Now, if federal 71 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 2: law enforcement stops the activist, they issue a warning, what 72 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:21,040 Speaker 2: usually happens is, Yeah, I'll give you an example, because 73 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 2: I bet we've all done this. If you've ever got 74 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:26,720 Speaker 2: a warning or a ticket, I don't care either one 75 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:30,839 Speaker 2: for speeding. You don't just then say thank you officer, 76 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 2: and then you know, he gets back in his car 77 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 2: or she gets back in her car, and you put 78 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:38,920 Speaker 2: your stuff back in your in your console or glove 79 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:40,840 Speaker 2: box or wherever you're gonna put it, and then you 80 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 2: just hit the accelerator and you just go squealing out 81 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 2: the off the shoulder and you know, push it right 82 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:50,359 Speaker 2: back up to hundred miles. Now, you don't do that. 83 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 2: You slow down until you think you're out of the 84 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 2: distance of the radar, and then you pump it back 85 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:00,599 Speaker 2: up to you know, maybe seventy five eighty five miles 86 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:04,840 Speaker 2: an hour. You know you've done it too. But what 87 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 2: happens here is they get the warning and then the 88 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:12,720 Speaker 2: law enforcement officer issues the warning, drives off, and the 89 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:16,040 Speaker 2: activist starts following them anyway, even after being warned, hey, 90 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 2: you know this is against the law. You shouldn't be 91 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 2: doing this. Then the next thing that happens is that 92 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 2: same yahoo decides, oh, I'm going to block the operation 93 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 2: or I'm going to interfere with the stop, and then 94 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 2: that obviously is going to get escalated, just naturally, it's 95 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:35,479 Speaker 2: going to get escalated into a physical confrontation. That is 96 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 2: not a protest. That's where you cross the line into obstruction. 97 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 2: It is surveillance in service of evasion, and under both 98 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:50,720 Speaker 2: Minnesota state law and under US federal law, that is illegal. 99 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 2: And the shooting of Renee Good, or let's just call it, 100 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:59,039 Speaker 2: let's take out the shooting part for a moment, the 101 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 2: incident involving Ray Good Renee Good is actually, even though 102 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 2: it's tragic, is a very clarifying example. After receiving ice 103 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 2: watch training, Renee good used her vehicle to stalk these 104 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 2: Ice agents during an operation. She ultimately attempted to block 105 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 2: their movement. And then when the officers tried to first 106 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 2: warn her, move your car, move your car, she instead 107 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 2: of just moving her car, wanted to talk to them, 108 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 2: wanted to argue with them, wanted to debate them. She 109 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 2: crossed the line. She crossed the line initially when she 110 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 2: pulled her vehicle at an angle to block along with 111 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 2: the other vehicle further down the road, to block the roadway, 112 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 2: and the agent did. If you go back and watch 113 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 2: all the videos, the agent approaches with the first command, madam, ma'am, 114 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 2: please move your car. You gotta move out of it. 115 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 2: Move your car, you know. And then we had the 116 00:07:56,120 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 2: other one where the person pulls up to an intersect 117 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 2: and stops, tries to engage with the officer, and the 118 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 2: office says no, just you know, in points go around, 119 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 2: just keep going, And the camera follows the officer's hand 120 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 2: as he points down the street, and you can see 121 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 2: that she has a clear shot where she makes a 122 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 2: right turn and she can she can continue to move on, 123 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 2: but she doesn't. They stop and they want to argue 124 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 2: because that's how they've been trained, that's what they're told 125 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 2: to do, and then go back to remy good. So 126 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 2: then when the officers try to detain her, that's when 127 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:34,560 Speaker 2: she tries to flee and she hits the agent, And 128 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:36,680 Speaker 2: of course I believe the agent fire and self defense, 129 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:41,320 Speaker 2: and I know it's tragic, but the cause was not 130 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 2: lawful enforcement. The cause was deliberate obstruction using a vehicle 131 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 2: as a weapon. And unfortunately this is not an isolated incident. 132 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 2: It is the predictable endpoint of when ice watch starts, 133 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:59,200 Speaker 2: starts teaching civilians that, you know, if you want to 134 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 2: go tail a federal agent, that's somehow protected conduct. They're 135 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:08,719 Speaker 2: being lied to. And excuse me, interestingly, if you think 136 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 2: I'm just blowing smoke, let's go to Minnesota state law, 137 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 2: because Minnesota state law forgets federal law for a moment. 138 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:20,200 Speaker 2: Minnesota state law is the one that really draws a 139 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:23,960 Speaker 2: straight line here. Mike, is there still a difference between 140 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 2: Customs and Border patrol versus Immigration and customs enforcement? I 141 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 2: thought they were one and the same. No, the now 142 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 2: two separate entities. You have customs and border patrol and 143 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 2: you have immigrations and Customs enforcement. Don't ask me why 144 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:45,199 Speaker 2: one of those stupid things that we did when they 145 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:47,560 Speaker 2: created the HS. That's what Congress wanted, So that's why 146 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:50,679 Speaker 2: we gave Congress what they wanted. But you know, congresss 147 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 2: what they want, and you know they're always right, So 148 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 2: just deal with it. Drag was talking about navy. You 149 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:00,680 Speaker 2: can talk about it in still going back to Minnesota's 150 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:03,959 Speaker 2: law about evading you know cops. You want to talk 151 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 2: about pulling out a NATO and hooking up. 152 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 3: With Kim Jong un or something, Well, it's considering that's 153 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 3: nothing we've talked about today or even yesterday, if I 154 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 3: can recall, I mean, sure, why not? 155 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:18,080 Speaker 2: Well because on the text line for the situation Michael 156 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 2: Brown three three one zero three, I don't see anything 157 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 2: about NATO or you know, hooking up with Putin, you know, 158 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 2: like having a one night stand with Putin or Kim 159 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:28,079 Speaker 2: Jong un like Little fat Boy. I mean, then what 160 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 2: it's what everybody who dreams about, right, having a one 161 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 2: night stand of Little fat Boy? 162 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 3: Agree on three three one o three text micro Michael, 163 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 3: I don't see anything regarding that over there, Okay, but 164 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 3: yet you have. 165 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 2: To drag in and drag me into what you read 166 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:45,080 Speaker 2: on the hate text line. I see, that's the hate 167 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 2: text line versus mine, which is the love text line. 168 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 2: It is fun reading some of the random hate things. 169 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 3: I mean, I applied you for listening, you random hate listener. 170 00:10:55,400 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 2: But at least text me something we're talking about exactly right, Yeah, 171 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 2: because you never know, because you might get me maybe this, 172 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 2: maybe this, you know, the kill. The audience hasn't quite 173 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:11,840 Speaker 2: learned that they can like pull me around like you, 174 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:14,560 Speaker 2: like I get a nose ring and get me chase squirrels. 175 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 2: All the dame chase squirrels quite frequently. Yes, maybe they 176 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 2: haven't quite learned that yet. Minnesota law Minnesota Statute, section 177 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 2: six oh nine point five, in cause you're giving notes, 178 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 2: which I know all of you are, that makes it 179 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 2: a crime to intentionally obstruct, hinder, or prevent the lawful 180 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 2: execution of legal process or the apprehension of another. Now, 181 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:45,560 Speaker 2: I don't know whether you understood that or not. You 182 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:50,439 Speaker 2: understand some basic words here, but it focuses on acts 183 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:55,840 Speaker 2: things you do, not what you think. But what you 184 00:11:56,080 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 2: do following an undercover Minnesota cup after being ordered to 185 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:07,080 Speaker 2: stop is an intentional act under Minnesota law. I see, 186 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 2: I'm talking about miss not talking about federal I'm talking 187 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:14,960 Speaker 2: about Minnesota law, which, by the way, interestingly, because Minnesota 188 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 2: is a sanctuary state. In Minneapolis, I guess Saint Paul 189 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:22,720 Speaker 2: is too. I don't know that Minneapolis is a sanctuary city. 190 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 2: The cops have been told to stand down, so the 191 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:30,560 Speaker 2: cops are not enforcing their own laws, because of course 192 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 2: the entire country is are freaking lawless country nowadays. Oh, 193 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 2: all we do, and we'll take a break. When we 194 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 2: get back, we'll talk about blocking vehicles. Guess what, that's 195 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 2: an intentional act. 196 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 4: Comparing living in a sanctuary city versus not. Over the weekend, 197 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 4: investigative journalist Nick Sorter had his thousand dollars cameras stolen 198 00:12:55,880 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 4: by Somalian thugs. Police basically told him that he was 199 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:03,720 Speaker 4: the problem and he needed to leave. Compare that to 200 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 4: in Deklas County, just a couple miles from Michael D. 201 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:11,280 Speaker 4: Brown's palace, there was a road rage shooting incident on 202 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:14,840 Speaker 4: Friday morning. Suspect rested Saturday. 203 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:19,880 Speaker 2: Morning, and it wasn't me. It was not me, either 204 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:26,320 Speaker 2: the perpetrator or the victim. Back to Minnesota, Listen to 205 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 2: Keith Ellison, the chief law enforcement officer sometimes referred to 206 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 2: as the Attorney General of Minnesota on CNN last night. 207 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 5: Agree with whether they are going to focus or investigate you. 208 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 2: So I wish in a normal time. 209 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:46,560 Speaker 5: I would say no, I'd say this is First Amendment activity. 210 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 2: He's referring to going into the church and disrupting the church. 211 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:56,599 Speaker 2: That's First Amendment activity. They're deliberately misleading people. 212 00:13:56,480 --> 00:14:00,720 Speaker 5: And in time like this, it's just one difficult to 213 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 5: say because the one if one. 214 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 2: Thing's only one thing is clear. If Trump likes you, 215 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 2: you can do the wrong. 216 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:11,079 Speaker 5: If he doesn't, he's going to use every weapon he 217 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 5: can't against you, including our criminal justice system. 218 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 2: We're seeing what it's like you wild game hunters would 219 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 2: understand this, or you've seen this with a rabbit animal 220 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:31,800 Speaker 2: that when they're wounded and they're dying and they're cornered, 221 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 2: they become vicious, wild, crazy, out of their minds. And 222 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 2: that's what the left is doing right now. They're they're 223 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 2: they're finally getting pushed back, and they're claiming that disrupting 224 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 2: a worship service a clearly protected First Amendment right, that 225 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 2: doing that is just your exercise of your First Amendment rights. 226 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 2: I challenge you to go try No, seriously, but rhetorically 227 00:14:57,520 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 2: I would challenge you to go try that. Just go 228 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:03,480 Speaker 2: to some church somewhere in Denver. Well, maybe not Denver 229 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 2: because the lexis point. No, we'll do anything. One of 230 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 2: the suburbs somewhere out and you'll do this. Go to 231 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 2: a little country church somewhere, yeah, where farmer Bill's got 232 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 2: his weapon on him, and go in and disrupt the church. 233 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 2: You'll be escorted out. Put the gun to your head, yeah, 234 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 2: and then kick to the curb as you should be. 235 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 2: As you should be. Oh, that's that's offensive to you. 236 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 2: I'm just getting wound up. As I said, Minnesota state 237 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 2: law draws a really sharp line here. State law. Now 238 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 2: I haven't gotten the federal law yet. Using a car 239 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 2: to box in and pursue cops is inherently dangerous, and 240 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 2: Minnesota courts have never treated that kind of conduct as 241 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 2: somehow a First Amendment expression or a protected action. No, 242 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 2: it is a violation of the law. But Minnesota goes 243 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 2: even further. They criminalize aiding the offender. Another Minnesota statute, 244 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 2: section six nine point four ninety five covers anybody who 245 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 2: assists anybody else, either by word or by deed, if 246 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 2: you have the intent to help them avoid arrest. So 247 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 2: if you're an activist in Minneapolis and you relay retime, 248 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 2: real time locations to an ICE agent so that the 249 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 2: illegal alien can escape apprehension, that's exactly what you're doing. 250 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 2: The fact that the assistance is just information doesn't give 251 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 2: it any sort of the immunity. A lookout who shouts 252 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 2: a warning is still a lookout. The law is looking 253 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:43,800 Speaker 2: to the intent and the effect, not how you frame it, 254 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 2: not what you call it. But the federal law is 255 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 2: even clearer. Interestingly, Congress anticipated this very problem Title eighteen, 256 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 2: Section twenty two thirty two. And if you're keeping track, 257 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 2: subsection C. It is a felony to give advanced notice 258 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:07,680 Speaker 2: of a federal arrest or a federal seizure in order 259 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:11,160 Speaker 2: to prevent that arrest or seizure from taking place. Now, 260 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:14,200 Speaker 2: why do we have a statute like that, because you 261 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 2: can't function as law enforcement if civilians are repented or 262 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 2: are permitted to go shadow the agents and tip off 263 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:24,360 Speaker 2: the targets. And this one does not require any sort 264 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:28,199 Speaker 2: of physical act. It just requires knowledge and acting on 265 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:31,919 Speaker 2: that knowledge, taking that knowledge, and sharing that knowledge. So 266 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:34,160 Speaker 2: if an activist is going to lie in wait, it's 267 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:38,359 Speaker 2: going to follow the agents and then broadcast their movements 268 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:41,800 Speaker 2: for you right now, so that the enforcement action fails. 269 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:45,480 Speaker 2: You've met every element of the federal statue Title eighteen, 270 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:47,560 Speaker 2: section one eleven. We got over this in you know, 271 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 2: ad nauseum, in my opinion, criminalizes forcibly impeding or interfering 272 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:58,240 Speaker 2: the federal offices officers. Now, in that context, it also 273 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 2: includes the use of vha goes to block or wedge 274 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 2: or pursue the cops or the ICE agents, and the 275 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:08,520 Speaker 2: course have consistently held that these physical acts that create 276 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:14,840 Speaker 2: danger satisfy the requirement. So the Minneapolis incidents that everybody's 277 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 2: all on to dither about, where the activists use cars 278 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:20,359 Speaker 2: to trap an unmarked ICE vehicle that falls squarely within 279 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 2: this statute. They're felonies. They're not misunderstanding these They are 280 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 2: certainly not misdemeanors. And then you have very specific statues 281 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:32,879 Speaker 2: with regard to enforcing immigration. Title eight section thirteen twenty 282 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:36,479 Speaker 2: four is a felony to harbor or to shield an 283 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 2: illegal alien from detection, not even the rest. I mean, 284 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:43,960 Speaker 2: that's one thing that's also a violation of the law. 285 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:46,239 Speaker 2: But if you're trying to shield an illegal alien from 286 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:51,120 Speaker 2: even being detected, you've violated federal law. Now, that statute 287 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 2: is most usually applied when you're hiding or transporting the 288 00:18:55,359 --> 00:18:58,399 Speaker 2: individuals like these guys that you know when Biden was 289 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:01,400 Speaker 2: in control and they had all the eighteen wheelers coming 290 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:04,119 Speaker 2: up out of Mexico just loaded. You'll pack to the 291 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:09,400 Speaker 2: gills with people just suffering and usually dying in the heat. Now, 292 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 2: the distinction is the intent, because political speech is protected, 293 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:20,400 Speaker 2: but if you're coordinating evasion through speech, that is not protected. 294 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 2: So where the ICE Watch training collapses is they are 295 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 2: actually instructing the activists to engage in targeted, real time interference. 296 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 2: And we have recent prosecutions to confirm that federal authorities 297 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 2: view this conduct as criminal. Los Angeles, when the activists 298 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:45,360 Speaker 2: who followed an ICE agent to his house livestream the pursuit, 299 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 2: publicized his address, they were induided for conspiracy and related defenses. 300 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:52,800 Speaker 2: They didn't treat it like, oh, this is just journalism 301 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:55,920 Speaker 2: or it's just a protest. It was a coordinated campaign 302 00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:59,200 Speaker 2: that they were trying to intimidate and obstruct the officers 303 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:02,520 Speaker 2: from doing their job. The evidence was their own footage, 304 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:05,919 Speaker 2: their own words, you got to be really stupid not 305 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:09,440 Speaker 2: to get the lesson here. Following agents with the purpose 306 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:12,680 Speaker 2: of interference is a federal and in case of Minnesota, 307 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 2: is a crime. Now against that backdrop, there's a judge 308 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:25,919 Speaker 2: Catherine Menindez. She entered an order recently that is totally 309 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:30,280 Speaker 2: out of line by asserting that safely following federal agents 310 00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:34,440 Speaker 2: at an appropriate distance that does not create reasonable suspicion 311 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 2: for a stop, and the order abstracts conduct from context 312 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 2: because reasonable suspicion you never do that in a vacuum. 313 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:46,520 Speaker 2: It turns on the totality of all the circumstances. So 314 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:49,160 Speaker 2: if you got an activist waiting at a known location 315 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 2: and then following the agents engaged in enforcement, and you're 316 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 2: relaying their movements to other people, and you ignore the 317 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 2: warnings from the agents to stop doing that, and you 318 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:02,480 Speaker 2: keep persisting in doing that despite clear identification, there's no 319 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:06,440 Speaker 2: question these are federal agents. Suspicion is not only reasonable, 320 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 2: I think reasonable suspicion becomes unavoidable. And the courts have 321 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:14,440 Speaker 2: long recognized that repeated following, combined with knowledge of the 322 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 2: law enforcement activity, that supports reasonable suspicion of obstruction or conspiracy, 323 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:23,400 Speaker 2: and you don't have to wait until a suspect completes 324 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 2: the crime, because the Fourth Amendment does permit you to 325 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:31,879 Speaker 2: stop in order to prevent an imminent or immediate interference 326 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:35,880 Speaker 2: with the lawful duties. Now why is that logical? It's 327 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:39,640 Speaker 2: logical because if the rulings were otherwise, that would require 328 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 2: the officers to sit there and tolerate the surveillance that 329 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:46,479 Speaker 2: might have the predictable result of actually escalating into danger 330 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:49,879 Speaker 2: or allowing the illegal alien or the fugitive to escape. 331 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:56,400 Speaker 2: But this order shows just how far the left will go. 332 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:03,120 Speaker 2: When agents up an activist and explain that hey, you're 333 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:07,880 Speaker 2: following me and that's unlawful. They are not conceding legality. 334 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:11,160 Speaker 2: What they're doing is they're putting you on notice. And 335 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:15,919 Speaker 2: that notice matters because once you notify, hey, you're following me, 336 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:20,560 Speaker 2: stop it, or I'll have you arrested, or I will 337 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:28,760 Speaker 2: arrest you, that demonstrates intent, and intent transforms ambiguous conduct 338 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 2: into criminal conduct. Even if I were you know, if 339 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:35,200 Speaker 2: I were just I just happened to happen, because I 340 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:38,920 Speaker 2: don't know, maybe I just had truly, by circumstances, happen 341 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:46,280 Speaker 2: to be following and an unmarked ICE suv doesn't even 342 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 2: have federal plates on it. It's got colrouadle plates on it. 343 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:53,720 Speaker 2: And it's going on the feeder street outside my house, 344 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:56,920 Speaker 2: not my residential street, but the feeder street that takes 345 00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 2: me over to another feeder street that feeds onto the 346 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 2: universe to C. Four seventy and I just happen to 347 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:06,880 Speaker 2: be following them, and I and nobody gets in between us. 348 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:10,119 Speaker 2: I stay, you know, two three four car links behind. 349 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:14,879 Speaker 2: I follow them for several miles. That alone is enough 350 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 2: for them to have a reasonable suspicion that I might 351 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 2: be following them. So under the Fourth Amendment, they can 352 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:24,119 Speaker 2: stop based on a reasonable suspicion that they're following me, 353 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:27,040 Speaker 2: and they can just say, without even asking for ID 354 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 2: or anything else, they can say, hey, stop following us. Yeah. 355 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:37,480 Speaker 2: I may think to myself, oh, well, holy crap, I 356 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:39,560 Speaker 2: didn't know I was following you. I'm not going to 357 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:42,639 Speaker 2: say that. I'm just going to recognize that, oh, I 358 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:46,639 Speaker 2: was unintentionally following an ICE car that may or may 359 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:51,159 Speaker 2: not be involved in activity. Maybe I'm just too stupid. 360 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 2: But I'm going to be okay, officer, and then I'm 361 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 2: going to let them go on, let some cars get 362 00:23:58,040 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 2: behind me, and then I'm going to try to get 363 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:01,639 Speaker 2: onto four seventy. You finally get to work, so I 364 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 2: don't have to call Tepper and say, h yeah, I've 365 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:06,120 Speaker 2: been detained because I was following an ICE agent. Yeah. 366 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:09,480 Speaker 2: I don't think that's gonna happen. But these people won't 367 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:12,560 Speaker 2: do that. They won't do it because they're not reasonable. 368 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 2: So this judge and her order and her reasoning for 369 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:20,440 Speaker 2: that matter, strips the warnings of all of their legal significance, 370 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:24,600 Speaker 2: and it's actually encouraging activists to keep going until some 371 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 2: sort of violence occurs. It's absolutely insane. Take a listen, 372 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:31,200 Speaker 2: and you've. 373 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:33,960 Speaker 5: Been warned to continuing to follow us, and you're breaking 374 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 5: a lot of loud no. 375 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:41,320 Speaker 6: Ryan Acklin says he didn't go seeking out ICE, but 376 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:43,840 Speaker 6: when he saw them circling a grocery store parking lot 377 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:47,760 Speaker 6: in Woodbury, he started following, which eventually caught their attention. 378 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,919 Speaker 2: How are you doing? Can just find things? What can 379 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 2: I do for? 380 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:54,680 Speaker 6: Acclin followed out onto the streets of Woodbury as ICE 381 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 6: agents led him to his always somewhat private neighborhood and 382 00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 6: passed his own home. He must have won my play 383 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 6: because they drove into my neighborhood and a semi called 384 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:07,520 Speaker 6: a sock where I live. There's no circumstance where they 385 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:09,360 Speaker 6: would have rolled through there without knowing that. 386 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:12,280 Speaker 2: They stayed behind them until they stopped him. Just fine, 387 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:14,200 Speaker 2: What can I do for him one morning? 388 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:14,439 Speaker 4: For what? 389 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 2: You will not be follow us anymore, or you will 390 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 2: be arrested. I can follow you wherever I want, we'll 391 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:23,920 Speaker 2: be arrested. No, you cannot, even if it's incidental, once 392 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:29,080 Speaker 2: they've given you the notice that even if it's unintentioned. Truthfully, 393 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 2: this guy admits, no, I wasn't and until I saw 394 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:33,200 Speaker 2: him at a grocery store, and then I did start 395 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 2: following them. So he admits to this to this Fox 396 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,959 Speaker 2: affilies up in Minnesotayeah, I was following them. Doesn't make 397 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:42,480 Speaker 2: any difference what his intent was once they give the notice. 398 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:46,280 Speaker 2: If you want to be a law abiding citizen, you'll 399 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:47,880 Speaker 2: just make a left or right a tourney, you'll take 400 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 2: a different direction, or you'll certainly pass them and get 401 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:53,880 Speaker 2: and get away from But oh no, he's not gonna 402 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:56,080 Speaker 2: do that at all, not at all. Facility for more 403 00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:57,800 Speaker 2: than nine hours and the. 404 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:01,320 Speaker 6: Department of Homeland Security did argue in in Minnesota today 405 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:05,200 Speaker 6: that following them is illegal. The judge has not ruled 406 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:08,680 Speaker 6: on that, but constitutional scholars say judges have consistently ruled 407 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:13,399 Speaker 6: that following them is legal. A judge last week ruled 408 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:16,399 Speaker 6: that the ICE policy that was in place at least 409 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:20,159 Speaker 6: last June that said it was an unlawful form of 410 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:24,639 Speaker 6: civil unrest to record them, well, that was an unconstitutional policy. 411 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:25,120 Speaker 2: Now. 412 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 6: I reached out to ICE to ask about the incident 413 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:30,800 Speaker 6: that happened right here and about the policies, but so 414 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:32,960 Speaker 6: far they have not gotten back to us. 415 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 2: So even the news people are confused about the law. 416 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:42,439 Speaker 2: You would think, which is stupid on my part. You 417 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:45,359 Speaker 2: would think that before they give a report like that, 418 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 2: they might actually consult. They surely have you know, a 419 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:54,159 Speaker 2: lawyer on retainer or if it's you know, if it's 420 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:57,480 Speaker 2: a Fox affiliate, then they've got access to lawyers out 421 00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 2: the wall zoo, and they could they could say, could 422 00:26:59,960 --> 00:27:01,960 Speaker 2: you explain before we do the story, but you listen 423 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,480 Speaker 2: to in fact, either explain to us what the law 424 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,720 Speaker 2: is or here's a package we're about to do on 425 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:11,760 Speaker 2: the evening news. Is this accurate? Because what they just 426 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:17,600 Speaker 2: said is not accurate, and and the cops were absolutely reasonable. Hey, 427 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,120 Speaker 2: we've warned you once. Now the next time we're going 428 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:22,000 Speaker 2: to arrest you. Well you can't do that. Well, you 429 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:26,480 Speaker 2: know you want to find out, because that's that's one 430 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,280 Speaker 2: of the stupidest things to do. You may truly believe 431 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,639 Speaker 2: that they can't do that, But do you want to 432 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:36,160 Speaker 2: find out there? I don't because I don't want even 433 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:39,280 Speaker 2: if I'm right and they can't arrest me, I don't 434 00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 2: want to be hauled off to the hooscal and spend 435 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 2: a night in jail only to find out that way. Yeah, 436 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:49,280 Speaker 2: I was right, but that of course some people actee 437 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 2: exactly what they want because then they've got their lawsuit 438 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:57,879 Speaker 2: for an unlawful arrest. But these are not unlawful arrest. 439 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:04,920 Speaker 2: So this judge, by insulating this behavior from enforcement, that 440 00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:09,560 Speaker 2: order endangers the very activists that these rules are meant 441 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 2: to protect. Because Minnesota has one of the broadest stalking 442 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:17,400 Speaker 2: statutes in the entire country. You commit stalking in Minnesota 443 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:19,960 Speaker 2: if you engage in a course of conduct that you 444 00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:24,240 Speaker 2: know or should know will cause an individual, a specific 445 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:29,080 Speaker 2: individual to feel frightened, threatened, oppressed, persecuted, or intimidated. So 446 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:33,000 Speaker 2: if one private citizen lais and weight outside another citizen's 447 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:36,760 Speaker 2: hotels hotel room, follows them throughout the day, track their 448 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:40,320 Speaker 2: movements by car, and then refuse to disengage after being warned. 449 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,120 Speaker 2: I don't think there's a court that it hesitate to 450 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:47,200 Speaker 2: call that unlawful stalking. But the problem is we got 451 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:49,880 Speaker 2: all these mngos, Ice Watch and all the others, all 452 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 2: these non government organizations to train the civilians to do 453 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:57,520 Speaker 2: exactly that to the undercover federal officers and to lie 454 00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:02,280 Speaker 2: about and lie to them about the law. They promise immunity, 455 00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:07,000 Speaker 2: the NGOs do where there is no immunity, But the 456 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:09,880 Speaker 2: practical effect doing this to law enforcement officers engaged in 457 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:13,280 Speaker 2: dangerous immigration enforcement. That's not even a close case. It's 458 00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:17,080 Speaker 2: obviously illegal, but it's dangerous for you. But they don't care. 459 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 2: And I'll tell you why they don't care. They want 460 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 2: the confrontation. And the NGOs that are training these people, well, 461 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:28,880 Speaker 2: I'm about to say it's gonna be very difficult for 462 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 2: you to swallow, but it is true. The NGOs don't 463 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:38,480 Speaker 2: give one you know what about the people that they're 464 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:44,719 Speaker 2: training unlawfully or training to engage in unlawful activities. They 465 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:48,720 Speaker 2: don't care about them. They don't care. In fact, I 466 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:53,320 Speaker 2: believe that they hope somebody does get shot another Renee 467 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 2: good because they believe because this is politics, this is 468 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:04,480 Speaker 2: all politics. They want the violence, they want the shootings, 469 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:08,720 Speaker 2: they want the deaths because they believe they can turn 470 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:16,640 Speaker 2: American society against deportation and immigration enforcement. Because this is 471 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:20,800 Speaker 2: their This is not just their livelihood, this is the 472 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:26,160 Speaker 2: future of their party, the future of their entire apparatus 473 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:32,280 Speaker 2: has been put upended, stood on its head by one president, 474 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:38,720 Speaker 2: not by Congress. Don't give them a smidgeon of of 475 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:43,960 Speaker 2: of credit for any of this, because, as as Trump said, 476 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:45,600 Speaker 2: we didn't need to change the laws. We just needed 477 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,840 Speaker 2: to change presidents. And we changed presidents, and now we're 478 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:52,680 Speaker 2: actually getting some enforcement. And now everybody is just absolutely 479 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,920 Speaker 2: and I caution you because as I keep telling you, 480 00:30:56,600 --> 00:31:00,800 Speaker 2: it's ugly. Law enforcement is not a or an easy 481 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:04,240 Speaker 2: thing to do. And then you get the numbnuts out 482 00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:06,800 Speaker 2: there that think they're you know, they're the Walmart lawyers. 483 00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:09,440 Speaker 2: I got my degree at Walmart. I know the law, 484 00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:12,080 Speaker 2: and you know I can follow you all day long. Okay, Well, 485 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:16,760 Speaker 2: we'll find out in court. Now, most judges would accept 486 00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:21,200 Speaker 2: a judgment Menendez are going to, you know, say yep, 487 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:26,760 Speaker 2: you were wrong and sucks to be you, but here's 488 00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:29,160 Speaker 2: your fine, and here's your thirty days in jail or 489 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:31,760 Speaker 2: four months in jail or whatever they're going to give you. 490 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:37,280 Speaker 2: These federal immigration agents really odd to just step up 491 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:41,160 Speaker 2: the enforcement and the activists who follow them, warn them 492 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:45,240 Speaker 2: one time, and if they refuse to stop, arrest their 493 00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:50,960 Speaker 2: butts and vehicles that get used in obstruction. You can't 494 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:56,920 Speaker 2: really use civil forfeiture statutes to seize those. At least 495 00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:58,800 Speaker 2: based on my legal research, I don't think you can 496 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,840 Speaker 2: use civil fur to take their cars away from them. 497 00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,360 Speaker 2: But see what you can do. You can seize the 498 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,960 Speaker 2: cars as evidence as yes, this is the car they 499 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:09,760 Speaker 2: were using, this is the car that we stopped, this 500 00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:12,200 Speaker 2: is the car on the body camp. So it's gonna 501 00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:16,000 Speaker 2: it's gonna sit in impound until your case gets heard 502 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,320 Speaker 2: or gets disposed of. So you're gonna be without a 503 00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:21,479 Speaker 2: vehicle for a while. That's what they ought to do, 504 00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:23,920 Speaker 2: and charges ought to be brought under both state and 505 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,840 Speaker 2: federal law where it's applicable. It's not gonna take many 506 00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:29,520 Speaker 2: cases for the public to start understanding that, you know, 507 00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,760 Speaker 2: following these federal agency around is not a protective pastime. 508 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:35,640 Speaker 2: It's not a hobby, it's not really something that's even 509 00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:39,640 Speaker 2: safe to do. And the law here is not novel, 510 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:46,160 Speaker 2: it's not set, it's not unsettled. It's it's clear, it's consistent, 511 00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:51,560 Speaker 2: and it's absolutely logical and long standing. But what is new. 512 00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:56,880 Speaker 2: What's new is the organized effort by ice Watch to 513 00:32:56,920 --> 00:33:00,800 Speaker 2: try and blur the line and to try to push, push, push, 514 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:05,120 Speaker 2: until finally some officer about gets run over or does 515 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:08,480 Speaker 2: actually get hit, has a reasonable fear for their life 516 00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:14,520 Speaker 2: and fires a weapon they want that. I know, that's 517 00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:18,000 Speaker 2: I know, that's an awful thing to say, And I 518 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,240 Speaker 2: only tell you what I really believe, and that's exactly 519 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:20,880 Speaker 2: what I believe.