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Speaker 1: This is Tony Pike since he three sixty about Cincinnati

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Speaker 1: all sincey all day. This is ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati

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Speaker 2: Hi, Hello, welcome in our number two of Tony Pike

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Speaker 2: Sincy three to sixty here on ESPN fifteen thirty. My

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Speaker 2: name is Austin Elmore. No big fella today, Tone is out.

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Speaker 2: He'll be back tomorrow. One hour from right now, we

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Speaker 2: talked to Keegan Nickoson from Bearcat Journal dot com. Keegan

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Speaker 2: just now talking of tweeting about a couple of Bearcat

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Speaker 2: offensive linemen that have decided to come back for next year.

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Speaker 2: We'll get an update on the transfer portal happenings and

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Speaker 2: all that with the Bearcats, what happened last night on

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Speaker 2: the hardwood as well. But right now we keep talking

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Speaker 2: football with a guy that I can't believe I just

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Speaker 2: now thought of this. I'm gonna start calling him this

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Speaker 2: from here on out. Johnny Football. John Sheeran from A

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Speaker 2: to Z Sports covering the Cincinnati Bengals. Hi, Johnny Football,

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Speaker 2: how are you?

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Speaker 3: I feel like we could worship this? There was kind

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Speaker 3: of the stigma with that name you know, like, you know,

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Speaker 3: someone else had it and he got kind of embarrassed

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Speaker 3: by the Bengals, and I kind of embarrassed the Bengals

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Speaker 3: and said the other way around.

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Speaker 2: So you know, uh, yeah, well you could be the

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Speaker 2: reason for change with the Johnny football nickname. We'll work

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Speaker 2: on it. We'll work on it. What do you make

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Speaker 2: of the last two weeks of the Joe Burrow narrative

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Speaker 2: about him and his future and not seeing eye to

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Speaker 2: eye with the organization and what he said yesterday and

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Speaker 2: last week sum it all up for me? What's your

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Speaker 2: general feeling and consensus about Joe Burrow in his relationship

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Speaker 2: with the Bengals right now?

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Speaker 3: We love hearing Joe talk because he is very calculated

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Speaker 3: about what he says, and he's said that I think

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Speaker 3: forbade him. But typically when he says something of substance,

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Speaker 3: it's because he means it. And also he's just he's

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Speaker 3: just a very smart individual, so he think it's about

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Speaker 3: more than just what is directly in front of him.

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Speaker 3: And of course, you know, in the media nowadays, you

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Speaker 3: and that's what generates the headlines. Right So when Joe

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Speaker 3: last week or so of football, and it sounds like, oh,

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Speaker 3: he's thinking very big picture and it doesn't sound very good.

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Speaker 3: It leads to I think a lot of the reactions

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Speaker 3: that we've seen in the past couple of weeks. But

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Speaker 3: I think when you have to try to figure out

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Speaker 3: think about every single angle, from every single avenue, about

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Speaker 3: what everything that is encapsuling what it could possibly be

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Speaker 3: going through his mind right now, which is again coming

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Speaker 3: back from another injury, and thinking about how long he's

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Speaker 3: capable of playing, how long he wants to play, and

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Speaker 3: how that all of that ambition and planning is being

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Speaker 3: you know, deterred by what has happened over the past

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Speaker 3: handful of months here on top of being on a

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Speaker 3: team that, just like he says, is a bad football

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Speaker 3: team that hasn't done enough and needs to continue doing

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Speaker 3: his own.

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Speaker 4: Words, thinking outside the box.

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Speaker 3: So I think it's everything from just him thinking about

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Speaker 3: his own ability, his own durability, his mortality in the game,

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Speaker 3: but also where he stands with this team and what

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Speaker 3: the team needs to do going forward around him, So

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Speaker 3: it's everything. It's not just like, oh, like he's thinking

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Speaker 3: there's thoughts about that that naturally pop up when you're

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Speaker 3: But I think so to boil it down to just

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Speaker 2: Do you think he should play the final three games?

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Speaker 3: I think there's a reason too, because of how he

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Speaker 3: just having one of the worst games of his career,

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Speaker 4: I think having him, giving him.

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Speaker 4: I think it was valuing him.

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Speaker 3: Playing and if you want to talk about like draft

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Speaker 2: When you saw the report this week from Paul Danner

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Speaker 2: also unlikely to be let go, what was your reaction

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Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, the Bengals are.

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Speaker 3: They may not be exactly the same organization as they

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Speaker 3: were loose, but they're still the organization. It's not going

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Speaker 3: the fact that it probably hasn't been questioned at all

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Speaker 3: you know, when the Bengals are bad and it's entering December,

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Speaker 3: like yeah, like maybe there's some conversation about the head coach,

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Speaker 3: but in reality, the front office doesn't really see it

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Speaker 3: kind of the sentiment this year. But hearing that in

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Speaker 3: the fact that he has again two years left of guaranteed,

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Speaker 3: else in twenty twenty seven, the Bengals would still to

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Speaker 4: I guess under the table.

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Speaker 3: I don't like Again, it's not standard practice for teams

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Speaker 3: I don't really know why they wouldn't announce whether it

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Speaker 4: I let that be known.

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Speaker 3: But it definitely did change how I view, like what's

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Speaker 4: Don't think they're gonna fire head coach with two years

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Speaker 2: What did you make of the way Zach talked about

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Speaker 3: It, and he can say that it's going to make

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Speaker 3: is what it is. Like, that's just not how it's

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Speaker 3: it's unfortunate that we can't that anyone in the media

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Speaker 3: everything has to come through him. And it was kind

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Speaker 3: of a weird shippy respond to me like, oh, I'm

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Speaker 3: Like it is unfortunate. That's the problem with the lack

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Speaker 3: is unfortunate that Zach is being put into the situation

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Speaker 3: be his responsibility to talk about his job security. But yeah,

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Speaker 3: I think it just speaks to the lack of transparency

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Speaker 2: Talking to John Sheeran ad Is the Sports I made

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Speaker 2: the point earlier. I think there's a lot of similarities

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty season in terms of cap space, in terms

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Speaker 2: for this offseason, what's an example of something that they

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Speaker 2: and do you feel like they can actually turn this

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Speaker 3: But it just depends on how aggressive they want to

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Speaker 3: if they want to identify what they need, then then

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Speaker 3: the evolution of thinking outside of the box in this

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Speaker 3: case is to not letting anything stopping them from going

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Speaker 3: after and getting the players that whatever Out Golden, whoever

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Speaker 3: Tobin wants, whoever. If you identify that the coaches in

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Speaker 3: the personnal department are not the issue here and it

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Speaker 4: Good as it needs to be.

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Speaker 3: And that was definitely an issue last year in which

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Speaker 3: they weren't aggressive enough. They were sitting on their hands

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Speaker 3: the personal department was figuring out how to extend Jamar

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Speaker 3: Chase and Teggans the contracts that should have been signed

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Speaker 3: months prior to freegency even beginning of the first place.

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Speaker 3: So that cannot be repeated again. They need to be

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Speaker 4: Right, But at the end.

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Speaker 4: As long as you know what you're looking for.

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Speaker 2: When do you start, like digging into draft stuff. When

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Speaker 3: For Johnny Football, it's really just a bad after these

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Speaker 3: I think Moegger said it best in how like his

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Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, great stuff, John. What are you working

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Speaker 3: Again, it's it's you know, the last few weeks of

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Speaker 2: Great stuff, John, thanks for making some time for me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well said well said Brad and the BA who Yeah. Consistency,

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Speaker 11: ever ask Zach Taylor any questions about his contract. If

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Speaker 11: you do, he'll suddenly go combative ex wife on you.

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Speaker 11: Number two. According to Zach Schamar Stewart pays attention during

442
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Speaker 11: team meetings. Dude sits in the front row. He looks

443
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Speaker 11: at Zach, and Zach looks at Chamar, and Chamar is

444
00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:36,760
Speaker 11: absorbing the information he's staring at Zach.

445
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Speaker 4: Zach's looking at.

446
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Speaker 2: He was very complimentary of Shamar Stuart. I think Samar

447
00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:45,479
Speaker 2: is trying to like change a bit of a narrative

448
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Speaker 2: about it. He got off on the wrong foot. I

449
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Speaker 2: hope that this offseason he's healthy, there's no distractions, and

450
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Speaker 2: he can, you know, adequately prepare for an NFL season

451
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Speaker 2: and hopefully be better. I mean, obviously the Bengals are

452
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Speaker 2: going to need him to be better. But it does

453
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Speaker 2: feel like to me, like Shamar Stewart is like, Okay,

454
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Speaker 2: let me let me work on my image here, because

455
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Speaker 2: we clearly didn't get off on the right foot, and

456
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Speaker 2: a lot of Bengals fans are already out on Shamar Stewart,

457
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Speaker 2: and I think that's unfair.

458
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Speaker 8: Yeah, Zach is.

459
00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:18,600
Speaker 11: Looking at Shamar and Shamar making good eye contacts, staring

460
00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:21,480
Speaker 11: right back at Zach and Zach is staring at Shamar.

461
00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:24,480
Speaker 11: They're staring at each other like a couple of love

462
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Speaker 11: sick teenagers. The future looks bright, Chamar's Stewart. The sky's

463
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Speaker 11: the limit.

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Speaker 2: Let's go. Yeah, thank you.

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Speaker 13: We were talking earlier about why the communication of the

466
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Speaker 13: Bengals is there and why can't they tell us? Is

467
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Speaker 13: because I don't think they know. I don't think they

468
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Speaker 13: have a clue because I remember a couple years ago

469
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Speaker 13: during the draft, you guys asked Duke Tobin, who are

470
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Speaker 13: you going to draft? They said, we don't know yet.

471
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Speaker 12: We don't know.

472
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Speaker 13: We don't have anyone specific. We just go about who's

473
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Speaker 13: best on the board. I think they just wing n

474
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Speaker 13: So when they say about the contract, they probably still

475
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Speaker 13: don't know.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, if the contract's been signed, you know

477
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Speaker 2: what the contract is. And also I don't know that

478
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Speaker 2: that's the best analogy. There's never going to tell you

479
00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:07,399
Speaker 2: who you're going to draft. Every GM in the NFL

480
00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:10,680
Speaker 2: would answer that question the same way, But I think

481
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Speaker 2: there might be a little bit of truth to that.

482
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Speaker 2: As sad as that might.

483
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Speaker 6: Be up, guys, but Cahuna in Kentucky, So maybe I'm

484
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Speaker 6: in the minority here. But I don't know all the

485
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Speaker 6: NFL rules. But if the Bengals aren't doing anything against

486
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Speaker 6: the rules like talking to the media disclosing contracts, if

487
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Speaker 6: that's not the rules that they have to do it,

488
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Speaker 6: then why are people the media and why are some

489
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Speaker 6: of the fans so tore up about not knowing? It

490
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Speaker 6: ain't none of our business. It's their team, they're the owners.

491
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Speaker 6: They can do what they want. If you don't like it,

492
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Speaker 6: go route for Cleveland, Gonna see.

493
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Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, I don't know that there's there's anything

494
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Speaker 2: that says they have to disclose whether or not a

495
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Speaker 2: contract extension has been signed. No, there's not. They don't

496
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Speaker 2: have to. But after a report comes out, I think

497
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Speaker 2: it's strange to not really acknowledge it. That I just

498
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Speaker 2: think is weird. And as far as I'm concerned, I'm

499
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Speaker 2: always in favor of transparency and truth seeking, and I

500
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Speaker 2: don't think there's enough of that. Hey, Audie TJ.

501
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Speaker 14: Marvin was asked to go five in the playoffs, what

502
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Speaker 14: he was going to do different that year to prevent

503
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Speaker 14: another early exit, and true Marvin smugness, he says, We're

504
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Speaker 14: not going to.

505
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Speaker 4: Do anything different.

506
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Speaker 2: Why did I do that?

507
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Speaker 14: You know the results after that, Zach is in the

508
00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:28,399
Speaker 14: same comfortable and unaccountable position. Now I did some digging.

509
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Speaker 14: He's one of the lowest paid coaches in the league.

510
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Speaker 14: It doesn't matter if he's the right man, he's the

511
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Speaker 14: right price. This organization simply.

512
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Speaker 2: Has bass act words priorities.

513
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Speaker 14: So let's start talking about how great next is going

514
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Speaker 14: to be?

515
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Speaker 2: Who day. Yeah. I also don't think Zach's money has

516
00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:46,679
Speaker 2: ever been officially out there, so that would be a

517
00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:51,200
Speaker 2: rumor in and of itself, but it's probably true. And yeah,

518
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Speaker 2: I think one of my biggest issues with the Marvin

519
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:56,800
Speaker 2: Lewis era was that, and you can equate this to

520
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Speaker 2: the Palmer thing as well, is that they would be

521
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,240
Speaker 2: good enough to get to the playoffs every year, but

522
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:04,520
Speaker 2: they would never go above and beyond in the off season.

523
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:06,840
Speaker 2: We bitched and moaned about this forever. Is that there

524
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Speaker 2: was a lack of aggression in the off season in

525
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Speaker 2: free agency and trying to get people here. And it

526
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:14,480
Speaker 2: was a stain on the organization. It was a stain

527
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Speaker 2: on Marvin Lewis, it was a stain on Mike Brown.

528
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Speaker 2: They have gotten better at that, but then you look

529
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Speaker 2: at an off season like last year where they chalked

530
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Speaker 2: it all up to bad luck. The off season last

531
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Speaker 2: year was similar to that of the Marvin Lewis era,

532
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Speaker 2: which is, we'll get a couple of low level guys,

533
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Speaker 2: but we're good enough to get back to the playoffs. Well,

534
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Speaker 2: it turns out you're not, and it's more than just

535
00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:36,879
Speaker 2: bad luck. You don't have the depth, you don't have

536
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:40,080
Speaker 2: the good enough you know horses to lead this thing.

537
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Speaker 2: So I think you're right that sort of comfortability is

538
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:49,600
Speaker 2: not a good thing. I don't know if Zach is

539
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Speaker 2: the same personality as Marvin when it comes to that.

540
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Speaker 2: I don't know if I would equate those.

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Speaker 4: Two if they did.

542
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Speaker 12: Like Big Brother, Iheartradios the Saddy edition.

543
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Speaker 4: Who do you think would weigh?

544
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Speaker 2: Mmmm, that's a great question. Big Brother I would like.

545
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Speaker 2: I like my odds personally. Who else would be good

546
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:19,320
Speaker 2: at that? Around here? Mo would be great? I think

547
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 2: Stephan our president, would be wonderful at that. Scott Sloan

548
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Speaker 2: I would actually, I'd probably put I'd probably put Sloaney

549
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Speaker 2: as the favorite. I'd put Scott Sloan as the favorite there.

550
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Speaker 15: Yeah, I want to give a shout out to Sandy

551
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:38,440
Speaker 15: and Tracy too. Die hard Bengals fans. They bleed orange

552
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:42,720
Speaker 15: and black like suffering with the rest of us. Hell yeah,

553
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Speaker 15: I like how Patinas said he didn't have XAVI, you're

554
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:48,640
Speaker 15: ready to play last night? Well you lose by forty five.

555
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:53,760
Speaker 15: I guess not. They couldn't beat Wes Claremont last night.

556
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess that's true.

557
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Speaker 5: Austin a really good prospective people on the Bengals.

558
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Speaker 16: There.

559
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Speaker 5: I actually feel better about the next season with looking

560
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Speaker 5: at the schedule and hoping that they will do what

561
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 5: they need to do finally to get this done for

562
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Speaker 5: Joe and the fans. So Whode go Big Blue, and

563
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:21,680
Speaker 5: go Rid.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Ken, I'm glad that you appreciate that perspective.

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Speaker 2: I'm not I will say, I'm not trying to make

566
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Speaker 2: people feel better. I'm just trying to, Like, I get

567
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Speaker 2: where you're coming from. You have every reason, every reason

568
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Speaker 2: imaginable to be skeptical. I get it, and I am too,

569
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Speaker 2: because I, to quote Marvin, I see better than I hear.

570
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Speaker 2: But I'm just trying to look at it and from

571
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Speaker 2: a fifty thousand foot view and say, Okay, what's true,

572
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Speaker 2: what's not and what could be a potential path and

573
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Speaker 2: That's what I came up with, And I might be wrong.

574
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Speaker 2: I'm allowed, Lord knows I've been wrong before.

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Speaker 3: You know.

576
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Speaker 17: All I wish is that Mike Brown and the Bengals

577
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:07,399
Speaker 17: would realize that they could just go all in, spend

578
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 17: a ton of money all at once, and just nail

579
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Speaker 17: this thing for the next couple of years, get ourselves

580
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 17: at parade, and then they could spend the next fifteen

581
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Speaker 17: years pinching pennies and going into miser mode and losing

582
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Speaker 17: fifteen sixteen, seventeen games a year, and no one would

583
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Speaker 17: care because we had gotten our parade.

584
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Speaker 16: Yeah.

585
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Speaker 2: I think that's It's a fair way to look at it.

586
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:39,120
Speaker 2: I've on the flip side of that, you could say, well,

587
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Speaker 2: they did that in twenty twenty. They spent all the

588
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 2: way up to the cat basically and they failed, and

589
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 2: now what Just to play Devil's advocate there, But I

590
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,919
Speaker 2: agree with you. There's an old saying out there. You

591
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 2: got to spend money to make money.

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Speaker 18: Hey guys, it's Duke Tovin. I just want to let

593
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Speaker 18: you know we're working on an extent within Stone. Yeah,

594
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 18: he'll be our starting safety next year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that would be It would be a dark day

596
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:11,360
Speaker 2: in Bengaledom, as it's.

597
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Speaker 12: Known Austin, Tony, I wish I could sneak into the

598
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:23,639
Speaker 12: Bengals stadium and put on the loud speaker. The Black

599
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:28,399
Speaker 12: Sabbath song changes right when Mike Brown is doing his

600
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Speaker 12: walk in the mornings, goes like.

601
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Speaker 4: Going me change.

602
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I like that. I'm sure Mike would like.

603
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 2: I bet Mike listen a little Black Sabbath. I can

604
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 2: imagine that. You imagine Mike cruising down seventy one listening

605
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 2: to Black Sabbath. You think Mike shedd it here when

606
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 2: Ozzie died.

607
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Speaker 16: Hey, Patty, Patty here, I just want to say Merry Christmas,

608
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Speaker 16: Happy Holidays to everyone. Won't be able to listen next

609
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 16: week at all our families coming into town from Charleston,

610
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 16: including our grandson, and we are going to have a

611
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Speaker 16: house full, including two dogs. It's going to be crazy

612
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 16: and chaotic but wonderful. So just thinking about all you

613
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 16: guys and grateful for you all, and thanks Austin and

614
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 16: Tony for entertaining us. So blessings to you all. Merry Christmas, well.

615
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Speaker 2: Thank you, Patty, and Merry Christmas to you and to

616
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Speaker 2: your family. Yeah. The schedule for next week. Excuse me,

617
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Speaker 2: Tony and I are here on Monday, and I believe

618
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Speaker 2: that's it. Tuesday we are bumped due to Kentucky basketball,

619
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Speaker 2: and I will be on the Roundtable show with Lance

620
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Speaker 2: Tuesday night. But then we are off the rest of

621
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Speaker 2: the week and back Monday Tuesday, the twenty ninth and thirtieth,

622
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 2: if I'm not mistaken, and then we're off again. But yeah,

623
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Speaker 2: we are only here on Monday next week.

624
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Speaker 19: Hey, Jeffer Casey here talking about Zach's compensation and if

625
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 19: he is one of the lowest paid coaches in the league.

626
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Speaker 19: I would say that's probably accurate. It's probably based on

627
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Speaker 19: his performance, along with the Bengals being a cheaper organization.

628
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Speaker 19: What's his overall record, he probably deserves to be towards

629
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Speaker 19: the bottom of the coaching pasco hood.

630
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure a lot of people would agree with you.

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Speaker 20: Shamar Stewart had a standout performance at the twenty twenty

632
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Speaker 20: five Senior Bowl, significantly boosting his draft stock. He dominated

633
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Speaker 20: early practice sessions with his rare combination of size, six

634
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Speaker 20: feet five.

635
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 2: Inches, two hundred and eighty one pounds yeah.

636
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 20: And speed, notably forcing a strip sack against LSU tackle

637
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 20: Emery Jones Junior. His performance was so impressive that he

638
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 20: withdrew from the remainder of the week after just two days,

639
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 20: having already solidified himself as a first round prospect.

640
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 2: This momentum event. Thank you. We knew all that information

641
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 2: about Schamar, but thank you.

642
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 21: A forty one point loss to crighton that home forty

643
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Speaker 21: one points, yeah, Craton Man fire Wes Miller, uh.

644
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 4: Hey, audy, great job on the show. Sorry to double dip.

645
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 21: So evidently we're talking about practice.

646
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 4: Shamar Stewart dominated practice.

647
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, he dominated a senior Bowl practice. Yeah he I mean,

648
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 2: we listened Shamar Stewart. We've talked extensively about his lack

649
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 2: of production in games in college. He clearly is not

650
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 2: produced in the NFL and his limited snaps. I would

651
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 2: love to see over the final three weeks as much

652
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 2: Shamar Stewart as I possibly can, as much McKinley Jackson

653
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 2: as I possibly can, as much Demetrius Nite, as much

654
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 2: Barrett Carter, as much of all those dudes, And listen,

655
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 2: you don't want to look back at last year and

656
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 2: those the final five games. They didn't play a bunch

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Speaker 2: of great quarterbacks. Played a little bit better. You don't

658
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Speaker 2: want that to carry a bunch of weight going into

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Speaker 2: the offseason, but I do think, and based off Paul

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Speaker 2: Dayers reporting earlier this week, these games do carry weight

661
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Speaker 2: when it comes to evaluating going into the offseason, and

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Speaker 2: so that to me puts meaning meaningful snaps on the

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Speaker 2: field for this team, and I think we can learn

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Speaker 2: and get a peak maybe into what their plans might

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Speaker 2: be based off of the way some of those young

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Speaker 2: guys perform and listen, Schamar is going to be a

667
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Speaker 2: part of the story, whether you want him to or not.

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Speaker 2: And it would be great for the Bengals to, you know,

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Speaker 2: finally hit on one of these defensive players that they've

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Speaker 2: spent all these top one hundred picks on. It would

671
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Speaker 2: be great and it would be nice if Shamar Stewart

672
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Speaker 2: was one of those guys, and hopefully we see something

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Speaker 2: out of him over the final three weeks and hopefully

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Speaker 2: he's able to play. That was it for talkbacks. Speaking

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Speaker 2: of playing over the final three weeks, Joe Burrow was

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Speaker 2: asked about it, and Travis Kelcey talked about it. Now

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Speaker 2: that the Chiefs have been eliminated, I thought both of

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Speaker 2: their answers were interesting. You'll hear that next on Football

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Speaker 2: in NATI. This is Tony Pikes since he three sixty

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Speaker 2: on the Home of the Bengals, ESPN fifteen to thirty.

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Speaker 2: As Players Fight to them NINNATI brought to.

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Speaker 1: You in part by Bud Light and by Oakley Greens

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Speaker 1: on ESPN fifteen thirty, the official home of the Cincinnati Bengals.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back in You know. A lot has been made

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Speaker 2: about whether or not Joe Burrow should play in the

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Speaker 2: final three games of the season, and I think it's

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Speaker 2: a fun debate because kind of what we talked about

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Speaker 2: earlier this week, is winning all that important when you

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Speaker 2: have the needs and the holes and the issues that

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Speaker 2: the Bengals have, And should you risk Joe Burrow potentially

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Speaker 2: being injured. I've always stood by the idea that you

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Speaker 2: should not go through life scared, and if a player

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Speaker 2: who has paid well wants to play football, then he

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Speaker 2: should be allowed to play football, whether or not the

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Speaker 2: games have playoff implications or not. Zach Taylor was asked

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Speaker 2: why is Joe playing the final three games? And Zach said,

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Speaker 2: because we want to win, and I can't sit around

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Speaker 2: and say that the standard is the standard, and you

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Speaker 2: should always be trying to win and winning should be

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Speaker 2: the most important thing in YadA, YadA, YadA, and then

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Speaker 2: just be like Joe shouldn't play the last three games.

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Speaker 2: If it's about winning, and if it's about having a standard,

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Speaker 2: and if it's about meeting a standard, and if it's

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Speaker 2: about getting young players to understand what the standard is,

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Speaker 2: then that means you don't just pack up and go

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Speaker 2: home when you get eliminated. It doesn't mean you give

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Speaker 2: up on the season. Now, if you got a knee injury,

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Speaker 2: if you got an ankle injury, if you got something

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Speaker 2: going on, there's no reason to risk it. I get it.

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Speaker 2: But at the same time, like there's got to be

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Speaker 2: a culture, a standard, something here to build off of.

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Speaker 2: And maybe the momentum going into the offseason, maybe that

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Speaker 2: the whole idea is maybe that's overrated, and I think

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Speaker 2: there's probably some validity to that. But is it not

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Speaker 2: about winning at all costs all the time, And isn't

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Speaker 2: it always a good thing to win? And when I

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Speaker 2: think of it, like my favorite players are playing for

718
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Speaker 2: my favorite team, I want to watch them play football.

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Speaker 2: I want to watch Joe Burrow play football. I want

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Speaker 2: to watch Jamar Chase play football. Joe was asked about

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Speaker 2: it earlier this week, actually, just yesterday, was asked about

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Speaker 2: why he wants to play the final three games of

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Speaker 2: the year, played in the last three weeks, so important,

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Speaker 2: be pretty act. Why does it matter to you even.

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Speaker 4: Though you guys are eliminating.

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Speaker 2: I played football.

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Speaker 5: For the same reasons that I want him to push

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Speaker 5: to comeback from injury.

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Speaker 2: For some reasons, I want to play this week.

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Speaker 4: It feels like.

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Speaker 2: Everything everybody's trying to do everything in their power to

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Speaker 2: make me not play football, and I feel like I'm fighting.

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Speaker 22: It, like fighting everybody else.

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Speaker 2: I just want to I just want to play ball.

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Speaker 4: That's all I want to do.

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Speaker 2: It's pretty simple, right, just want to play football. I'm

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Speaker 2: paid to play football.

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Speaker 12: You know.

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Speaker 2: We all propped up Joe for saying what he said

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Speaker 2: prior to the Thanksgiving game, and people were asking why

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Speaker 2: do you want to come back? Why do you want

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Speaker 2: to play? And he's saying, we are paid a lot

743
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Speaker 2: of money to play a kid's game. Why would I not?

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Speaker 2: It can be that simple, can't it. Travis Kelcey is

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Speaker 2: going to be playing for the Chiefs and they're going

746
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Speaker 2: to be eliminated from postseason contention during this game. Chiefs

747
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Speaker 2: haven't missed the playoffs since twenty fourteen. Patrick Mahomes has

748
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:49,879
Speaker 2: never taken a snap in which the Chiefs aren't in

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Speaker 2: contention for the playoffs. It's been a long time for

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Speaker 2: Travis Kelce. On the New Heights Show or the New

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00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 2: Heights Podcast or whatever that thing's called that he does

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Speaker 2: with his brother Jason, Jason asked him about, you know,

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Speaker 2: how do you approach the last three weeks of the season,

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Speaker 2: And here's Travis's response, Yes, how do you approach the

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Speaker 2: rest of the season.

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Speaker 22: Yeah, it's kind of unfamiliar territory at this point for

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Speaker 22: a lot of guys in the building, guys that have

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Speaker 22: been there, and I'm the only one that's been on

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Speaker 22: the team long enough to see us not make the playoffs.

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Speaker 22: There's an integrity thing here that that you know, when

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Speaker 22: you sign up for the gig, you're living out your dreams.

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Speaker 22: You're living out a kid's dream that that never got

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Speaker 22: a chance to do this. You're living out you know, man. Yeah,

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Speaker 22: you're uh. You're playing this game obviously to win Super Bowls.

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Speaker 22: You're playing this game to be in those playoffs scenarios

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Speaker 22: and stuff. But at the end of the day, man,

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Speaker 22: you're playing in the NFL. Yeah, and that's a blessing.

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Speaker 22: That's an honor. It's an honor to be out there.

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Speaker 22: It's an honor to feel the soreness after a game

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Speaker 22: because you're actually out.

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Speaker 4: There, you're doing it, yea.

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Speaker 22: And no matter if you're getting the ball thrown to you,

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Speaker 22: no matter if you're if you're blocking your tail off

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Speaker 22: and you never you know, see the pill. It's it's

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Speaker 22: an honor to be out there in a uniform, playing

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Speaker 22: for the for the guys around you, playing for your family,

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Speaker 22: playing for the people back home that are watching you,

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Speaker 22: that have known you since you were a little kid,

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Speaker 22: dreaming about this moment, dreaming about these moments, being in

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Speaker 22: the NFL. And I'll tell you what, man, If if

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Speaker 22: there's a game to be ad, baby, I'm gonna go

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Speaker 22: out there and I'm gonna love playing in it, no

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Speaker 22: matter if it's a game that uh in the playoffs

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Speaker 22: or gets us in the playoffs, or a game that

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Speaker 22: you know, seems like it doesn't have any implications of that.

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Speaker 22: And that's the integrity you gotta.

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Speaker 2: You gotta go out there with man Travis Kelce obviously

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Speaker 2: in a much different point in his career than than

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Speaker 2: Joe Burrow is, but the point remains the same. Like,

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Speaker 2: these dudes are living out their dreams.

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Speaker 16: And.

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Speaker 2: Why you would willingly step away from that, I think

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Speaker 2: is I just don't understand. And there's already an attitude

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Speaker 2: out there about professional athletes that they only do it

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Speaker 2: for the money. Well, there's an example of a dude

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Speaker 2: that doesn't need another dime the rest of his life,

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Speaker 2: and he's getting emotional, choked up about the idea of

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Speaker 2: not being able to play anymore. Joe Burrow was emotional

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Speaker 2: after the Baltimore game and the thought of his football

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Speaker 2: mortality in the game being taken away from him. Like,

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Speaker 2: we are allowed even though we are not. I'm not

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Speaker 2: you might not be a professional athlete that makes millions

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Speaker 2: of dollars. We're allowed to empathize with these guys. We're

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00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:40,759
Speaker 2: allowed to understand that. You know, this can be hard

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Speaker 2: on them too, and sometimes they just want to play

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Speaker 2: a game. They get paid to play football, So I

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00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:50,919
Speaker 2: want to play football. I mean, that's what I would

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Speaker 2: want to do. I just think it can be that simple.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes we'll take a break we'll come back.

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Speaker 4: This is.

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Speaker 2: ESPN fi teenth.

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Speaker 1: You've been listening to Football in the Natti on ESPN

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Speaker 1: fifteen thirty, the official home of the Cincinnati Bengals.

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Speaker 2: Been a while since we heard this. I said it

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Speaker 2: earlier this week with Tony when's my guy Chris Stapleton'

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Speaker 2: gonna come out with a Christmas album? So I've been

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Speaker 2: listening to iHeart Christmas. I hope you have been too.

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Speaker 2: And I can only imagine something like let It Snow

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Speaker 2: by Chris Stapleton or Please Home? What's that so please

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Speaker 2: come home for Christmas? Whatever? That is just a little

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Speaker 2: Chris Stapleton Christmas music. I can't wait. Somebody get Chris

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Speaker 2: to do that. Uh, wrap it up? Our number two

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Speaker 2: here on since E three sixty coming up in just

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Speaker 2: a couple of minutes. We'll talk to Keegan nickoson Bearcat Journal.

825
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Speaker 2: How did we get to this point with Gisel James

826
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Speaker 2: returning to the Bearcats? Big win for UC last night.

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Speaker 2: We'll also talk to him with the latest the transfer

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Speaker 2: portal for the football team. Quick update on the Bengals.

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Speaker 2: Bengals are starting practice right now. T Higgins, according to

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Speaker 2: Ben Baby, not spotted. Higgins still going through the concussion protocol.

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Speaker 2: He did not practice yesterday and Joe Burrow was on

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Speaker 2: the injury report yesterday. He was listed with a knee

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Speaker 2: injury but was a full participant. He did say yesterday

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Speaker 2: is just a little bit sore, so don't know that

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Speaker 2: that's anything significant, but it was on the injury report yesterday.

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Speaker 2: Cincinnati had a ton of guys on the injury report

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Speaker 2: and Joe was one of them. But T Higgins not

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Speaker 2: spotted at the start of Bengals practice today talking Bearcats

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Speaker 2: with Keegan Nickolson. Next, this is Tony Pikes since he

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Speaker 2: three to sixty on the Home of the Bengals ESPN

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Speaker 2: fifteen to thirty.