Speaker 1: Sean Burch has a brand new documentary. It's called Kings
Speaker 1: of the Forest.
Speaker 2: He also has a brand new book, Sweat Working, The
Speaker 2: Mastery Guide to revolutionizing your life and professional relationships through wellness.
Speaker 1: Please welcome our friend, mister Shawn Birch.
Speaker 3: Hello, sir, Hello. I love when you come in, but
Speaker 3: you also make me very mad.
Speaker 4: Thank you. No, you know what I get.
Speaker 1: I get very angry. I get very angry. No because
Speaker 1: I'm I'm just I'm envious. That's my problem.
Speaker 3: I'm envious because I always and we always get into
Speaker 3: this conversation where I love that you've been on top
Speaker 3: of Everest. I'm obsessed with wanting to just see the
Speaker 3: top of Everest. And then every time you come in,
Speaker 3: I'm like, I could be like Sean, e but the
Speaker 3: but but you've done that, and I love that. And
Speaker 3: it's not just that it's all the lifestyle and everything.
Speaker 3: I get very envious of it. But I love that
Speaker 3: you do all the things that you do.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it's nice not to go on in
Speaker 5: expeditions and not having to shower for thirty forty fifty days.
Speaker 4: I enjoy that as well.
Speaker 3: By the way, that's the one part that I could
Speaker 3: get done. Yeah, I just figured out you gravitate towards
Speaker 3: that part of that. That's why I mentioned it. Wait,
Speaker 3: so wait a minute, like when you go do well,
Speaker 3: no to Elliott will be stupid.
Speaker 1: There's no showers up on the mountains. You're not doing
Speaker 1: any of that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, no, I I.
Speaker 5: Kind of That's part of the expedition that I enjoy
Speaker 5: the most. It's really simplistic, Right, you have mountains to climb,
Speaker 5: and that's the goal. You don't have to worry about
Speaker 5: your mortgage payments, you don't have to worry about your phone,
Speaker 5: you don't have to worry about anything else. You just
Speaker 5: worry about the goal at hand, whatever mountain that day
Speaker 5: I was, you know, choosing to climb. And then on
Speaker 5: long expeditions, you know you just everesus right in front
Speaker 5: of you. You just sit there and every day I
Speaker 5: would just meditate on, okay, just get to the top.
Speaker 4: Get to the top, you know, safely and back.
Speaker 3: What's the long What is the longest expedition you've done?
Speaker 5: The longest one I've I've done is was probably crossing
Speaker 5: the Pall. I did it and that was forty nine
Speaker 5: days and.
Speaker 1: You went fifty days without it.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: But when I was on the now Geo show, I
Speaker 4: think I didn't. I think I did sixty nine days.
Speaker 1: Oh did you really that was the I did a
Speaker 1: Rod show? Right?
Speaker 4: No, it was.
Speaker 5: It was Ultimate Survival Alaska. They took us around Alaska,
Speaker 5: competing against each oe like I Navy seals and that's
Speaker 5: right Native Alaskans.
Speaker 1: And that was sixty nine days with happening.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and no brushing your teeth.
Speaker 4: No, I brushed my teeth.
Speaker 1: Oh that please, money and civil I've scrubbed.
Speaker 3: My nuts in a month, but I'm brushing my teeth.
Speaker 3: But wait, you know what, so I was reading your book.
Speaker 3: I was reading your book. First of all, it took
Speaker 3: me about an hour to get through the title. So
Speaker 3: the that part was good. No, no, But did we
Speaker 3: know this or do I just not?
Speaker 1: Remember?
Speaker 3: You didn't start climbing until you were in your late twenties. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: like you didn't climb your first mount until you were
Speaker 3: twenty nine.
Speaker 4: Twenty nine? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Is that your late start, very late start.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I mean I I'd always wanted to climb, but then
Speaker 5: you know, there's not too many high helsitude peaks in Virginia,
Speaker 5: so I was.
Speaker 4: I was.
Speaker 5: It was kind of a goal I had set for myself.
Speaker 5: And then suddenly, you know, I had a relation, really
Speaker 5: special relationship with my grandfather. When he passed away, he
Speaker 5: was kind of like, you know, you got to live
Speaker 5: your life and do everything you've always wanted to do.
Speaker 5: And that kind of hit it home to me when
Speaker 5: he died that you know, he's right, I got to
Speaker 5: start doing these things. So I just said, you know
Speaker 5: what I'm going to try to I'm going to go
Speaker 5: climb everest and I'm going to figure out how to
Speaker 5: do it. And I started climbing smaller peaks and I
Speaker 5: found out that I was really good at it. I
Speaker 5: was already teaching fitness right, so I was already in shape.
Speaker 5: So I was working out every single day, four hours
Speaker 5: on end, and then when I got to high altitude,
Speaker 5: I just really found that I excelled at it and
Speaker 5: then just kind of steamrolled from there.
Speaker 3: So was it the is that what got you to
Speaker 3: Because you're right, and you do mention that that that
Speaker 3: your grandfather had said you got to go live with life,
Speaker 3: like go live life and the but and like you said,
Speaker 3: you were already working out.
Speaker 1: You were a fitness guy and all that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, But was the thing that got you to to
Speaker 3: being a mountaineer?
Speaker 1: Was it just Everest? Was that it?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 5: No, It's just I used to read books on their
Speaker 5: hardship and what they went through, and I I needed that.
Speaker 5: I thought I was soft, and I thought that in
Speaker 5: order for me to go row as a as an individual,
Speaker 5: I need to put myself through the uh strenuous, let's say,
Speaker 5: types of activities such as mountaineering, that I would learn
Speaker 5: more about myself. And I've always wont I always liked hiking. Again,
Speaker 5: I wasn't a climber, so when I started mountaineering, I
Speaker 5: was like, Oh, I really like this and then it
Speaker 5: just again, it just kind of steamrolled from there, and
Speaker 5: the more I got on the mountains, the more I
Speaker 5: just found that that's where I felt at home the most.
Speaker 5: Because you're afraid of heights, yes, very much so.
Speaker 1: But you'll sleep.
Speaker 3: You've told us stories in the past where you'll sleep
Speaker 3: on like a cliff or like a ledge and a
Speaker 3: sleeping bag where it's six inches and you're going you're
Speaker 3: going down.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Mostly when I'm climbing, you don't really, I don't sleep. Try,
Speaker 5: I try more stable when I'm climbing.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I mean there's a couple photos from my altitude pks
Speaker 5: that I've done that are just like right on the edge.
Speaker 4: I just don't look down.
Speaker 5: I just look my camera and take a picture, but
Speaker 5: I don't look at it, you know.
Speaker 1: But what do you do?
Speaker 3: Like the one the one image that comes to mind,
Speaker 3: not that you you've done, but like just being afraid
Speaker 3: of heights is I feel like everybody has seen the
Speaker 3: picture of that ladder on Everest where you walk across
Speaker 3: the ladder, and I mean, I have no idea what
Speaker 3: that drop is like, Like, I don't know that I'm
Speaker 3: afraid of heights, but I have this thing where if
Speaker 3: I'm up high on something, I want to jump off
Speaker 3: of it. I don't know what that's called, and I
Speaker 3: obviously never would, but I would never be able to
Speaker 3: walk across that ladder. Like that's what's preventing me, honestly
Speaker 3: from Everest.
Speaker 1: I would never be able to do. If you're afraid
Speaker 1: of heights, how do you walk across that ladder?
Speaker 5: That's a great point, I mean that's the really I
Speaker 5: was thinking, how when I got to the first big
Speaker 5: cravross that I was crossing.
Speaker 4: I was like, oh my god, I look down. I
Speaker 4: was like, how am I going to do this?
Speaker 5: I have to do it seven eight times up and down,
Speaker 5: and I just said, hey, you know what, I've got
Speaker 5: to go.
Speaker 4: I've got to do it. I've got to do it.
Speaker 4: So I just didn't look down.
Speaker 5: And you know, and I have some film and stuff
Speaker 5: like that from some of my last films. I just
Speaker 5: put the video camera down, but I wasn't looking I
Speaker 5: was just looking straight across. I never looked down because
Speaker 5: I thought, like, you know, I like probably like you,
Speaker 5: I just I would freak out.
Speaker 1: Right, But you don't have to look down.
Speaker 3: But you you know, you're on a ladder with yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: thousands of feet beneath you, Like you don't.
Speaker 1: You can look wherever you want, you know what's there.
Speaker 4: Be completely present. That's how you do it.
Speaker 3: Hey, So get me to get me to the book.
Speaker 3: I remember hyper fitness was the was the last one.
Speaker 3: So sweat working and you go through like all of
Speaker 3: these these these disciplines to have in order to network,
Speaker 3: but through different different ways of getting that done.
Speaker 4: Correct. Yeah. I didn't come up with the name sweat working.
Speaker 5: I was actually reading an article a couple of years ago,
Speaker 5: and I think it was in Men's Health about you know, oh,
Speaker 5: this is how you work. You know you work, how
Speaker 5: you network is you exercise together and we call it sweatwork.
Speaker 4: And I was like, well, I've been doing this for
Speaker 4: twenty years. So I looked it up.
Speaker 5: I did research, and I was like, there was not
Speaker 5: a single book about it. So I started writing the
Speaker 5: book about how do you go about doing that? You know,
Speaker 5: if you're an HR executive, if you're you want to
Speaker 5: work for you with your team, how do you how
Speaker 5: do you go about doing every single little thing? And
Speaker 5: that's what I started to do is just start outlining
Speaker 5: it so anybody can implement this into their company and
Speaker 5: also for themselves, you know, start exercising.
Speaker 3: Do people like from now now that the book is out,
Speaker 3: do people like our companies? Because in the book you
Speaker 3: even talk about like, hey, reach out to us. Are
Speaker 3: companies starting to do that where it's like let's find
Speaker 3: ways to incorporate sweat working instead of networking?
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's out there with with bigger companies, it's out there,
Speaker 5: but I want to do it for all companies, right
Speaker 5: as kind of a way to say, hey, this is
Speaker 5: a normal thing that you do.
Speaker 4: It's like everyone goes to conferences and things like that.
Speaker 5: I've been to hundreds of those things doing speeches, and
Speaker 5: a lot of those times they walk around like their's zombies.
Speaker 5: They're just done with it, you know, the happy hour
Speaker 5: and stuff. I'm trying to make it more interesting, kind
Speaker 5: of a way to say, hey, let's do movement instead.
Speaker 5: So yeah, I want to implement into all companies, not
Speaker 5: just larger companies. So that's why I give that outline
Speaker 5: of how to do go about.
Speaker 1: But what's the easy way to get started.
Speaker 5: To get started in sweat working? Yeah, exactly, buy the book.
Speaker 4: I tell you, I tell you, I'll tell you how
Speaker 4: to do it. That's why I don't have to answer you.
Speaker 4: I'll give you the link.
Speaker 3: No, no, But what I'm saying is I could see
Speaker 3: somebody going like in theory, great idea, great idea.
Speaker 1: In in in implementation, implementing it not so easy to do.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's why in the book, I you know, I
Speaker 5: literally outline it. Talk to you, Here's how do you
Speaker 5: do when you pitch it to your bosses? Right, here's
Speaker 5: what to say, here's the benefits of doing that, and
Speaker 5: then from there here's your first session. Here's what I
Speaker 5: would recommend you in, like a walking session, or you know,
Speaker 5: if you're at a conference, maybe do a session at
Speaker 5: a museum, but do something active. I find that connections
Speaker 5: are much more meaningful when you do that, not at
Speaker 5: a at a at a happy hour where thirty or
Speaker 5: forty minutes you've had three or four drinks and you
Speaker 5: just you know, you forget the person and you forget
Speaker 5: what do you even talk about here? Is I have
Speaker 5: found the most meaningful relationships on the mountains and in
Speaker 5: fitness classes, right bar none. So that's what I'm trying
Speaker 5: to do with with this with the book.
Speaker 1: And then the other thing.
Speaker 3: One of the other things you talk about the book
Speaker 3: is that everybody needs to have a moral code. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it has a moral code, but you should write it down.
Speaker 4: Yeah do you do that and stick to it? Well?
Speaker 5: I know it by you know, my moral code is
Speaker 5: very deep and everything I do, so I don't need
Speaker 5: to write it down anymore. But that's one of my things,
Speaker 5: is I is everyone needs a moral code, and if
Speaker 5: you don't have it, because I've asked people that, you know,
Speaker 5: when I've done leadership classes and work with executives like,
Speaker 5: what's your moral code? And it kind of startles them.
Speaker 5: It's almost like, you know, the same thing as what
Speaker 5: are your goals? You just saw personal goals for five
Speaker 5: or ten years out. It's the same thing. They go,
Speaker 5: I never really thought about it. We'll find that moral
Speaker 5: code and stick to it no matter what.
Speaker 3: And you say, read it every like when you first
Speaker 3: do it, write it down and just keep updating it
Speaker 3: and add to it and make it a living document
Speaker 3: and then make sure you read it and make sure
Speaker 3: you remember it.
Speaker 1: And if you have to do it every day.
Speaker 3: Until you like you're you and you remember it or
Speaker 3: add something to it, but that you know. But but
Speaker 3: it gets back to the same thing, like moral code,
Speaker 3: Like I think I'm a halfway decent person, like okay,
Speaker 3: but I wouldn't even know what to write down.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well see there you go. You don't know. That's
Speaker 4: what you said.
Speaker 1: What are you going to do years I sit in
Speaker 1: this goddamn chair.
Speaker 5: Yeah I know, but you have goals. I'm sure personal goals.
Speaker 5: You have to dig deeper than that. You know, you're
Speaker 5: on this earth for a certain amount of time. You
Speaker 5: stress that, you really really stress that, especially now, especially
Speaker 5: I mean, you travel around the world and you see
Speaker 5: how the world plays out within different countries, and you
Speaker 5: really have to have this strict moral.
Speaker 4: Code and stick to it.
Speaker 5: Because the biggest thing that bothers me is this authenticity
Speaker 5: I talk about in the book. I call genuineness, not authenticity,
Speaker 5: because everyone throws that I'm so authentic or what we're
Speaker 5: posting is so authentic. It's so much it's so much
Speaker 5: overused that authenticity is done. So my thing is start
Speaker 5: with that moral code with yourself and then stick with that.
Speaker 3: What was the first thing you wrote down when you
Speaker 3: when you when you were creating your own moral code,
Speaker 3: or like you said, I know my moral code like
Speaker 3: if it were if it were, if it were a pyramid.
Speaker 3: What is the big one at the base?
Speaker 5: Resilience, perseverance, honesty, Right, my word's my word. Those are
Speaker 5: major components to my thing. If I say I'm going
Speaker 5: to do something, I'll do it. I don't like to quit.
Speaker 5: So that's a big thing that's helped me on expeditions.
Speaker 5: If I set myself a goal, I won't stop until
Speaker 5: it's done, no matter what. I don't you know, the
Speaker 5: pain or the hardship that goes through it, and that
Speaker 5: kind of drives that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but don't you also have to Now I'm going
Speaker 3: to talk you out of your moral code.
Speaker 1: No, no, but but but also you have to be smart.
Speaker 3: I'm assuming you have found yourself in situations on a
Speaker 3: mountain or wherever it is, and you're like, I don't
Speaker 3: want to quit, but I'm also gonna die if I
Speaker 3: keep going.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've turned around. Yeah, but still it kills you.
Speaker 5: I start, and when you start an expedition, whatever it is,
Speaker 5: or any goal, you have to believe one hundred percent
Speaker 5: that you will complete the goal. So every expedition I start,
Speaker 5: every mountain, I climb for that particular day while I'm
Speaker 5: doing first as since I think I'm going to reach
Speaker 5: that top. But of course as you go things change,
Speaker 5: weather changes, and then you reevaluate. Am I sticking to
Speaker 5: my moral code if I turn around?
Speaker 4: Yes? Because if I don't, I'm probably going to die.
Speaker 1: Sure.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but if I.
Speaker 5: Try my best, if I'm working my hardest, then outside forces,
Speaker 5: let's say weather, right, then I can live with that.
Speaker 5: I just can't live with me quitting, quitting or going average.
Speaker 4: I don't want to.
Speaker 5: Life is too important. Never be average. Never be average.
Speaker 5: I'm always trying to learn to be a better person
Speaker 5: every single day.
Speaker 3: And the other thing like you talk about like you
Speaker 3: only like life is you only have one life and
Speaker 3: that's it. And you do talk about the the the
Speaker 3: how you use time right and like no, because we
Speaker 3: have that conversation all the time. Is like it's time's
Speaker 3: all the same. It's just how do you manage it?
Speaker 3: But you almost go like a step further than that
Speaker 3: of everybody makes an excuse, but you find you make time.
Speaker 5: Correct, I've many many people. I just don't have the time.
Speaker 5: So I'm okay, let's allocate that time. How do you
Speaker 5: many hours in the day?
Speaker 4: Okay? What means that? You know?
Speaker 5: What means something to you? Okay, so you just you
Speaker 5: have to allocate it.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 5: That's why with sweatwork, and I'm trying to like, well,
Speaker 5: if we get companies forces the wellness on you, forces
Speaker 5: the movement, then you will see the benefits of it,
Speaker 5: and then from there you can take it on and
Speaker 5: have it involve evolve in your own life and improve
Speaker 5: your own life. But it's this that initial part of
Speaker 5: getting you to exercise, getting you to move, to see
Speaker 5: those benefits of it, but you've got to have back
Speaker 5: to the time. You've got to have You've got to
Speaker 5: find the time because everyone has the same twenty four hours, right,
Speaker 5: And I've never said I've never heard somebody say, you know,
Speaker 5: I've got it's.
Speaker 4: Got too much time every single day.
Speaker 5: I've never heard that, So it's like, yes, I know,
Speaker 5: I know the fact, but find the time whatever it is.
Speaker 3: Do you ever have a day though, where you just
Speaker 3: lay on the couch and eat Chinese food?
Speaker 5: I have a day is where I relax, but I
Speaker 5: don't sit on the I mean yeah, I mean I can.
Speaker 5: I don't take a day off from exercising. No, never, never.
Speaker 5: If I can, if I can do it, if I'm traveling,
Speaker 5: then yeah, but I'll still walk that night, or I'll
Speaker 5: walk an hour.
Speaker 1: You walk after every after every meal? I do part walk?
Speaker 3: No, but you yeah, no, but you say that like
Speaker 3: after every meal you walk?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean if you if you live in my town,
Speaker 5: you'll see me walking every day.
Speaker 4: So that's me.
Speaker 5: I'm sure people will make fun of it because it's
Speaker 5: like this guy's out there no matter what.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I love it.
Speaker 5: It makes you feel good, makes you know, helps with digestion,
Speaker 5: sets the tongue.
Speaker 3: Will you explain something in the book which I thought
Speaker 3: was really good, rich cars.
Speaker 5: Will you explain that, Yeah, it's just having Uh, it's
Speaker 5: it's it's a kind of a way to look if
Speaker 5: you don't have that moral code, to use rich cars
Speaker 5: as a component of that.
Speaker 4: So go through those things.
Speaker 5: It's just a way to remember it, you know, and uh,
Speaker 5: and then try to implement those things into your life. Again,
Speaker 5: if you don't have the moral code, I give you
Speaker 5: a guidance for you to find that moral code, whatever
Speaker 5: that is.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: The then a couple of other things that I learned
Speaker 3: in the By the way, I'm just dunkin Donuts.
Speaker 1: Just got here. Do you want a donut?
Speaker 4: I'm okay.
Speaker 5: When's the last time you had a donut?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 4: That's a good question.
Speaker 5: Thirty thirty thirty years donut in thirty years.
Speaker 4: Thirty years now. I don't eat desserts usually, yeah, and I.
Speaker 1: Do actually news no, no, no, these are breakfast.
Speaker 4: Okay, these are breakfast.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 5: I do. On my birthday and on my son's birthday.
Speaker 5: Because you met Hans a couple of years ago, we
Speaker 5: each we get a cake and we each we split it.
Speaker 4: He eats half of it night fast. No, no, we each.
Speaker 5: Eat half a cake and then we feel terrible for
Speaker 5: the rest of the night.
Speaker 4: But yeah, it's like a tradition.
Speaker 1: The but you have it, you you literally have not
Speaker 1: had it.
Speaker 5: I mean, I think the only thing I was in
Speaker 5: I think I was in Norway in ninety six. Was
Speaker 5: the last time I had it. I'm trying to think. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I think so. When I started Mountain.
Speaker 1: Norway of ninety six was the last.
Speaker 4: Arctic circle that was on a boat and I said,
Speaker 4: here's the time. I don't remember the.
Speaker 3: The but is it like that's donuts right, which, by.
Speaker 1: The way, you have no idea what you're missing?
Speaker 4: No I do.
Speaker 1: No, you don't know. You don't you don't the but like,
Speaker 1: will you eat junk food at all?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 4: I try not.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, what's what?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Like, what's your junk food? On my with salt? Well,
Speaker 4: you know, I eat the peanut butter, right, I don't
Speaker 4: see that.
Speaker 1: Junk food like like like an animal, I do.
Speaker 5: I eat a lot of peanut butter. But on the
Speaker 5: birthday stuff, I will pizza eating pizza. My son bides
Speaker 5: a pizza. He eats a pizza. That's you know, once
Speaker 5: a year, Yeah, once or twice a year pizza. Oh
Speaker 5: my god, it's so freaking it's so good. Right, it's
Speaker 5: that crack. Yeah, no crack, but this is cracked pretty
Speaker 5: damn good.
Speaker 1: Wait, so you eat you eat a pizza twice a year?
Speaker 4: Yeah, whole pizza?
Speaker 1: I was.
Speaker 5: I mean, I gave you two or three? I mean,
Speaker 5: it's it's it is bottomless. Oh yeah, so good.
Speaker 3: I was just complaining the other day that it had
Speaker 3: been a week since I had had pizza.
Speaker 4: Para Jones and you're twitching. You knew something was wrong. Pizza.
Speaker 1: That's part of my moral code. Yeah, I happy to
Speaker 1: write it.
Speaker 4: Write it down, Write that down.
Speaker 1: Now that's your pyramid. Empathy. Oh that's the base. Yeah.
Speaker 3: On top of that is like empathy and try not
Speaker 3: to lie that much, that much.
Speaker 1: But now, you weren't always like that. You weren't always
Speaker 1: like that, No.
Speaker 5: No, you know, you know, being the gen X generation,
Speaker 5: I think I was always searching growing up, searching for
Speaker 5: something what I didn't know, but always, you know.
Speaker 3: There was you tell a story in the book, Well, actually,
Speaker 3: you know what. Before we get to that, there's a
Speaker 3: couple of things that came out of the book about
Speaker 3: you personally that I didn't know you're shy.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, really shy.
Speaker 5: If I get in front of if i'm it's like
Speaker 5: a presentation in front of people, I can be myself.
Speaker 4: But normally, yeah, I'm not.
Speaker 5: I'm not really open with people about, you know, things,
Speaker 5: because I don't think they understand. If I tell them
Speaker 5: a story about again going to conference, right something happy
Speaker 5: are about, you know, an expedition, They're like, oh, that
Speaker 5: sounds interesting, you know, they just have no clue of
Speaker 5: what what it's like. So I don't bother even talking
Speaker 5: about it. So I kind of kind of laid back
Speaker 5: and don't even talk about it all or anything.
Speaker 3: No, but I'm like, and I get from from your side, like, listen,
Speaker 3: I don't know what it would be like to be
Speaker 3: on an expedition, but it doesn't mean it's not fascinating.
Speaker 3: I would love to hear about it, So it doesn't
Speaker 3: mean that it's not fascinating to know.
Speaker 5: I know you you like it, so I can I
Speaker 5: can feel that. But when I go to a conference
Speaker 5: and there's some guy going, oh, really, you time to
Speaker 5: first ascent?
Speaker 4: What's that?
Speaker 5: As soon as I say I'm like, okay, you know
Speaker 5: they and it's fine. I'm not asking him to know it,
Speaker 5: but I'm thinking, like, okay, this is gonna be you
Speaker 5: know, although it sounds exciting, sounds dangerous, you know, right, why
Speaker 5: do you do it?
Speaker 4: That kind of stuff?
Speaker 3: But when you talk about that, you say that not
Speaker 3: only are you shy, but you're also hesitant to make
Speaker 3: new friends.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know. I Trust is a big
Speaker 4: thing with me.
Speaker 5: It's part of my moral code, and I don't just
Speaker 5: for I think part of part of my job.
Speaker 4: I don't trust a lot of people.
Speaker 5: I've just been disappointed so many times with their word right, yeah,
Speaker 5: we're gonna do this or we're gonna do that, and
Speaker 5: then they don't follow through.
Speaker 4: Get very disappointed.
Speaker 5: So a lack of trust I much rather have someone
Speaker 5: doesn't want to do it, to say hey, I don't
Speaker 5: I'm not gonna to do this, right, I'm not going
Speaker 5: to do that. I can take that, But there's ghosting
Speaker 5: stuff and all that kind of I just eats me
Speaker 5: up inside.
Speaker 4: So I just don't trust people.
Speaker 3: Because I wondered if it was, like when I first
Speaker 3: read that is, whether it was because of who you are,
Speaker 3: where you don't. You don't the trusting I get because
Speaker 3: to trust somebody literally is to put your life in
Speaker 3: their hands. The the like, if Diane does something, is
Speaker 3: it gonna piss me off? Can we get in trouble
Speaker 3: with the FCC? Yeah, we can do all of that,
Speaker 3: but I'm not going to fall to my death. Like
Speaker 3: when you try whatever your Diane is, you could die.
Speaker 5: Yep, No, you're exactly right. That's why I do stuff
Speaker 5: sol Yeah, you know it. I mean, that's it was.
Speaker 5: I was thinking, well, if I'm roped to somebody, I
Speaker 5: got to put my trust in their hands, so if
Speaker 5: they fall off or they slip, then I can go
Speaker 5: down with them if I don't blame them. So I'm thinking, oh,
Speaker 5: forget it. I'd rather just do it myself. So if
Speaker 5: I have no regrets, if I go in here, if
Speaker 5: I die, it's my own fault. But yeah, you hit
Speaker 5: it right in the nail right now.
Speaker 3: Do you also feel that going the other way is
Speaker 3: somebody's putting that much trust in you and you don't
Speaker 3: want that burden.
Speaker 5: No, if I'm guiding somebody, I've guided people on some
Speaker 5: high outside. I enjoy that because it's I'm seeing them
Speaker 5: reach their goals and seeing them do things that they've
Speaker 5: never done before. I get more excitement about that.
Speaker 1: Of watching them them.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I love that because they just think I didn't
Speaker 5: think I could do it and they're and they're doing it.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 5: That really excites me because then they're they realize what
Speaker 5: they're capable of doing in life, and this is hopefully
Speaker 5: just to start for them. And climbing a mountain or
Speaker 5: climbing a high peak is a good way to start
Speaker 5: that of what you're capable of doing.
Speaker 3: So does it bother you that every time I talk
Speaker 3: to I tell you we're going to go climb together.
Speaker 5: And I know that's a good segment, right in that segment,
Speaker 5: because yes, exactly right, we need to get you on
Speaker 5: a peak. And I talked to tell her about that
Speaker 5: or el I was like, we got to talk about,
Speaker 5: you know, doing the shaft but Manchaster or something like that.
Speaker 1: The where is that?
Speaker 5: That's in California. It's a volcano. It's about of fourteen thousand,
Speaker 5: but it has snow, has make a good terrain where
Speaker 5: you can put on crampons, so you can learn a
Speaker 5: lot about mountaineering. But it's not to me too dangerous,
Speaker 5: even though to you I didn't send the link. Someone
Speaker 5: did die on there September September, some tech bro died, so,
Speaker 5: which is very unfortunate.
Speaker 3: Right, But the no, no, But but if I told you,
Speaker 3: I was like, I would love to do it.
Speaker 1: I really would. I just don't.
Speaker 5: I know perfect I don't have the time. Yes, it's
Speaker 5: not on my moral code list. You've got to get
Speaker 5: you on a peak.
Speaker 1: You know. I've been working on this for what I
Speaker 1: think fourteen years. Fourteen years, yes, and it's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: Getting me there.
Speaker 3: We're getting there, chipping away now, chipping away. Here's the
Speaker 3: other thing that I want to bring up, and don't
Speaker 3: beat don't be mad at me.
Speaker 1: Well, it's in the book. You can't be mad at me.
Speaker 3: You talk about a real dark part of your life
Speaker 3: which I don't think you'd ever shared with us. About
Speaker 3: a long four years you were going through a nasty
Speaker 3: separation and a nasty divorce. Yeah, you felt like you
Speaker 3: would you had failed, and you took a job at
Speaker 3: a wellness resort in China, in China, and how did
Speaker 3: you how did you end up going to China?
Speaker 5: They contacted me. They had a wellness director that I
Speaker 5: had quit. I should have contacted him first. He was
Speaker 5: based in Hong Kong and they asked me if I
Speaker 5: wanted to think about doing the position. And at that
Speaker 5: time I was were going through a tough time with
Speaker 5: my my ex.
Speaker 4: Wife, and I just kind of said, oh, this could
Speaker 4: be great.
Speaker 5: You know, while this director, I could teach people about
Speaker 5: fitness because they would look at they would look a
Speaker 5: dumbbells and be like, oh, you know, like they didn't
Speaker 5: know what it was, and a bosue ball they would
Speaker 5: be like, oh, foreign to me. So I took the
Speaker 5: job and then went over to it's called Mission Hills
Speaker 5: Resort and just outside Hong Kong about hour and a
Speaker 5: half and stayed there for about a year. And uh,
Speaker 5: it was so painful, you know, because I left my
Speaker 5: son and I kind of just got Instead of facing it,
Speaker 5: I just wanted to separate myself from it and thought
Speaker 5: that would help, but it only made it worse, made
Speaker 5: it real bad.
Speaker 1: You talk about and I can't even imagine this.
Speaker 3: You talk about you had there was some coworker there
Speaker 3: that that that you were friendly with, and you guys
Speaker 3: would just sit there and just get hammered every.
Speaker 4: Night, every night every but you get drunk every night
Speaker 4: every night.
Speaker 5: We couldn't wait, and and we knew it was bad,
Speaker 5: but we were just it was just it was killing me.
Speaker 4: But it was like my only solace was that, you know.
Speaker 5: And then next day I'd wake up, I'd work out
Speaker 5: still for a couple hours, I would train people, and
Speaker 5: that night I was just like, oh my god, and
Speaker 5: I was like, you know, if I keep doing this,
Speaker 5: I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna die.
Speaker 4: And you knew it.
Speaker 1: It was even imagine you yeah drinking.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I mean it was. It was real bad,
Speaker 5: real bad. There's nothing there's nothing worse feeling. I'm sure
Speaker 5: people out there know he's waking up and not can't
Speaker 5: caring about the day, you know, not caring if you
Speaker 5: get out of bed.
Speaker 4: Or not caring if you wake you know what happens
Speaker 4: to you. It was worse. I just didn't care.
Speaker 5: And then I kind of again, as always, I kind
Speaker 5: of gravitate towards my son, thinking like this is I'm
Speaker 5: not being a father, I'm just being a right. I'm
Speaker 5: just disappointing him and I'm disappointing myself. I need to
Speaker 5: get back there. I need to be the father I
Speaker 5: know I need to be for him. And then I
Speaker 5: got injured in China on riting on these they have
Speaker 5: these steep stairs and they're really I guess because I
Speaker 5: guess they have a little more little feet or something.
Speaker 5: I don't know, the real skinny stares. And I tripped
Speaker 5: and hit my head and had to go to the
Speaker 5: hospital and got stitches, and then I got I came
Speaker 5: back and then a month later I just said I'm done.
Speaker 4: I'm done.
Speaker 5: And my boss I was working with this she was God,
Speaker 5: she was vindictive and oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: What not to was horribly toped.
Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, I've never seen someone that toxic in
Speaker 5: my life. But uh yeah, it was awful. And that
Speaker 5: was one of the reasons why, because she just didn't care,
Speaker 5: and she would she'd tells stories about people. I mean,
Speaker 5: it's like this petty stuff. I'm like, what am I
Speaker 5: doing here?
Speaker 1: I love gossip.
Speaker 5: So I was like, I got to get back, you know,
Speaker 5: I got to get back to myself. So luckily enough
Speaker 5: I got out of there and and time, because if
Speaker 5: I stayed there for another year, I probably wouldn't have
Speaker 5: I wouldn't have come out of it.
Speaker 1: No, and you would have been drinking the whole Oh.
Speaker 4: My god, Yeah, yeah, it was, it was. It was bad.
Speaker 3: Also, you talk about how so then then fast forward
Speaker 3: a little bit, you talk about how you get into
Speaker 3: hiking and and and obviously still you're working out. You
Speaker 3: are you, You are a good person. Fitness is important.
Speaker 3: Being a good person is important. But then you start
Speaker 3: talking about climbing and starting to to climb mountains, and
Speaker 3: you talk about how that's where you feel such peace
Speaker 3: and such comfort, and you start talking about just being
Speaker 3: there on the silence of the mountains when you're and
Speaker 3: like you may you do a lot of whether it's
Speaker 3: solo climbs or first ascent climes where you're you're climate
Speaker 3: peaks and mountains that nobody's ever been on before, or
Speaker 3: you'll just do it by yourself and you're up there
Speaker 3: and I don't know how long that takes. Is it
Speaker 3: like when you lay down at night, or if it's
Speaker 3: at night, like if you get up early and it's
Speaker 3: the middle of the night, if you will and you're
Speaker 3: going to push yourself to summit, is it just dead silent?
Speaker 4: Well?
Speaker 5: Yeah, the weather, your wind, Yeah, if there's no wind,
Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, it's that's why I love nature. You know,
Speaker 5: it's just because it doesn't judge, does you. Everyone in
Speaker 5: society judges you everyone everyone you meet. As soon as
Speaker 5: you meet somebody new, they judge you on who you are,
Speaker 5: possibly how you look and all that tough your appearance.
Speaker 5: But when you're in the mountains, it's just nature and
Speaker 5: it's just there. And I love that because it doesn't
Speaker 5: judge you and you can just take it all in.
Speaker 5: It's for what it is, and it's it's and it's beautiful.
Speaker 1: It's well, beautiful was the word I was going to use.
Speaker 3: When you're up there, like we're well, I mean, you're
Speaker 3: a warranton, but like I'm a total city kid. So
Speaker 3: like stars, you don't see a lot of.
Speaker 1: When you're on a mountain. Is it Is it crazy?
Speaker 4: It's crazy.
Speaker 5: When I was in my last expedition in Argentina, i'd
Speaker 5: go out there at night. It was freezing, but I'd
Speaker 5: still I'd wrap myself up and go out there and
Speaker 5: just stare at the stars. It was like they're they're right,
Speaker 5: You're right on you, They're right on you. I remember
Speaker 5: when I climbed my eight thousand meter peaks, and stuff
Speaker 5: like that. It feels like you can go out there
Speaker 5: and touch it. It's so bright. I still every night
Speaker 5: when I walk, I walk, I look at the stars.
Speaker 5: I was looking at them last night. I'll send pictures
Speaker 5: to like my mother and stuff like that, like here,
Speaker 5: look at the stars. Look at these satellites go across.
Speaker 5: It's oh, it's incredible. I never it never gets old
Speaker 5: to me.
Speaker 4: Never love it.
Speaker 1: What was the first mountain you climb?
Speaker 5: First mountain? I climbed uh with Shasta. I climbed it
Speaker 5: with my cousin, right, And that's the one we're gonna do.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, yeah, we.
Speaker 5: Did it without that's a really good story. We did
Speaker 5: it without crampons, and we didn't know the route went up.
Speaker 5: We went up the side of the face and we
Speaker 5: I had one ice axe. We had trekking poles that
Speaker 5: we narrowed down and we're just like climbing up there
Speaker 5: and we had no clue what we're doing. As we're
Speaker 5: coming down, people were like, did you see those idiots
Speaker 5: that were on the mountain And we're like, hey, they're
Speaker 5: talking about us.
Speaker 4: We need to reach the summit.
Speaker 5: And we camped out at you know, at twelve thousand
Speaker 5: feet and we're freezing, we're hypoxic, you know, headaches and
Speaker 5: stuff like that.
Speaker 1: But dude, you think I'm climbing there? We'll do it.
Speaker 4: The I didn't know what I was doing.
Speaker 5: I was just like, oh, yeah, well, I climbed from
Speaker 5: the bottom to the summit in like, you know, ten
Speaker 5: hours that whole day we you know, I didn't know
Speaker 5: if you're not supposed to do that.
Speaker 4: I was just kind of figuring it out.
Speaker 1: How long would it take me? How long we do it?
Speaker 4: We do it day and a half and a half.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we'll start and then we'll camp at I think
Speaker 5: it's called camp helling at ten thousand feet.
Speaker 4: Stay the night there, make sure you're feeling good next I.
Speaker 1: Don't want to be hypoxy.
Speaker 4: No, you want to be hypoxic.
Speaker 5: We'll go up to summit, come back down, come back
Speaker 5: to camp, and then if you feel good, we'll walk
Speaker 5: back down or spend a.
Speaker 4: Night extra day.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I probably won't feel good.
Speaker 4: Maybe No, No, I I had the plan. I have
Speaker 4: the plan.
Speaker 1: Good because he doesn't. Well, I know that. Hey.
Speaker 3: You know like sometimes like outside of hotels or like restaurants,
Speaker 3: they have like that little stand where you like put
Speaker 3: cigarette butts.
Speaker 1: Into Do they have those on the mountain like on
Speaker 1: the way up? I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't want to mess with nature, but I am
Speaker 3: going to smoke all the way up and down.
Speaker 4: We'll get you a few, but we'll bring We'll bring
Speaker 4: a fruit portable ones.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: Well, they don't need sherpas on Shaska.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 1: No, he's carrying my cigarettes.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that.
Speaker 1: Big back, that's my guy, Marlboro Sherpa. Yeah, that's who
Speaker 1: i'd bring along. When did you climb? When did you climb?
Speaker 1: I'm she should she sha pangmagma?
Speaker 4: Yeah, when did you climb that two thousand and.
Speaker 1: One fourteenth highest mountain in the world?
Speaker 4: Yep?
Speaker 3: Is that the only time you wrote a note where
Speaker 3: you felt like you were gonna die? Yeah?
Speaker 4: That was a tough expedition.
Speaker 5: I was with another climber guy named Dan missouris one
Speaker 5: of the best American climbers we have, and uh, it
Speaker 5: just hitting me on the mountain. We didn't see anybody
Speaker 5: for like three days and we were climbing up towards
Speaker 5: the summer. It was about two forty five and that's
Speaker 5: like usually they turnaround time, so it was really windy.
Speaker 5: I was looking at him and we're just like, you know,
Speaker 5: He's like, is it worth it?
Speaker 4: And I go, it's worth it. And then we didn't
Speaker 4: talk for the next six hours and we just climbed.
Speaker 5: We got up there about eight thirty nine o'clock at night,
Speaker 5: and by that time we were already our lungs were
Speaker 5: fun out with food because every time we'd breathe the
Speaker 5: goo google it would gurgle, so we knew we were dying.
Speaker 5: So we got up there, took some photos and then uh.
Speaker 5: And then in the snowstorm, got back down to high
Speaker 5: Camp and we should have gone kept going down, but
Speaker 5: we were so tired, so we got water and hydrated
Speaker 5: and then we're lucky enough to get back down the
Speaker 5: next day. But that's when I started to get my
Speaker 5: black fingers. Was that expedition. And I came back down
Speaker 5: my finger my tops of my fingers were all black, right,
Speaker 5: and frostbite.
Speaker 1: But in the in the book, you talk about like
Speaker 1: you wrote out your final words.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I always do that before you know, so I
Speaker 4: was writing.
Speaker 3: You.
Speaker 5: So when I go to Shasta, I have to write
Speaker 5: my final words. No, no, no, I did that on
Speaker 5: Shishi and Pangmatic. I always keep journals and stuff like that.
Speaker 5: So this was my first eight thousand meter peak, so
Speaker 5: I didn't know what to expect. There are not a
Speaker 5: lot of people on the mountain. Uh So, again it
Speaker 5: was still that lack of confidence of like, can I
Speaker 5: do this? Can I do this without something intery auction?
Speaker 5: And can I get to the top. I'm climbing with
Speaker 5: a great climber who's been on K two and so
Speaker 5: so I wrote out, you know, if I don't come back,
Speaker 5: they at least find that, and you know, give that
Speaker 5: to my uh No, I wasn't. I wasn't engaged yet,
Speaker 5: but yeah, to give that to my family and things
Speaker 5: like that. So I wrote it all out.
Speaker 3: When you when you say you were with this guy
Speaker 3: and you didn't see anybody else on the mountain, no,
Speaker 3: and you just kind of looked at each other, and
Speaker 3: then for the next six hours you didn't speak speak.
Speaker 3: Are you like when you when you do an expedition? Obviously,
Speaker 3: if you're by yourself, you're not talking.
Speaker 1: I get it.
Speaker 3: But if you're with another climber or a couple of people,
Speaker 3: do you prefer it being quiet?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 5: I mean at that altitude, it's so tough just to
Speaker 5: take a step, so you don't want to waste time
Speaker 5: hate you know what?
Speaker 4: You know what not fourteen thousand.
Speaker 1: You'll be fine, but I'm worried about you because I
Speaker 1: won't shut up.
Speaker 4: No, that's fine.
Speaker 5: Oh okay, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, No, I'm
Speaker 5: sure you have some good stories, so I'll be listening
Speaker 5: to that.
Speaker 4: That's fine.
Speaker 1: No. Yeah, he died talking.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he guys talking.
Speaker 1: He died from getting pushed.
Speaker 4: That's right.
Speaker 3: Is there is there a And I know I don't
Speaker 3: want to get too far away from like because that
Speaker 3: the book isn't your memoir.
Speaker 1: The book is all about you, but that's coming.
Speaker 5: I've been working on that for ten years and that book,
Speaker 5: when it comes out, is going to be all the
Speaker 5: stories of all my expeditions, me growing up, living in
Speaker 5: Northern Virginia with my friends and stuff like that. How
Speaker 5: we base life, how we looked at life, and then
Speaker 5: from thereative kind of evolves.
Speaker 3: Because the book, the book at its court, but the
Speaker 3: stories that get interwoven through everything really are very fascinating.
Speaker 1: Cool.
Speaker 3: But like you do talk about the like, if you
Speaker 3: get back to the essence of the book, it is
Speaker 3: preparing your body, preparing your head, preparing your heart, if
Speaker 3: you will, all of the not from a health standpoint,
Speaker 3: but from just the kind of person you are. That
Speaker 3: whether it's mountaineering or whatever it is, is preparing yourself
Speaker 3: to be able to do all of those things as
Speaker 3: a healthy, good human being.
Speaker 5: One hundred percent right there. You just said it all.
Speaker 5: It's perfect exactly. That's why I wrote the book was
Speaker 5: for that reason.
Speaker 4: You know the stories.
Speaker 5: I put in there, a little bit of stories because
Speaker 5: I know everyone likes to hear the stories and things
Speaker 5: like that, but the main part was to do that,
Speaker 5: so it's always for them. How do you better yourself,
Speaker 5: become a better person, reach for those goals you've set
Speaker 5: for yourself? How do you go about doing that through movement?
Speaker 5: Through connection? I mean definitely we've lost connection of course
Speaker 5: in society today. I was getting that connection back with
Speaker 5: other people and then and the movement in that process
Speaker 5: and how that can help you.
Speaker 3: And like there's even a part in there where you
Speaker 3: talk about like you're at a conference and you're speaking,
Speaker 3: or you've been asked to go to like lunches and stuff,
Speaker 3: but not by name, but Leonsis gets a mention in there. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, when I came back from from Everest.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 4: I was invited to Tyson's Corner and a bunch of
Speaker 4: high tech guy. I didn't know who they were. I
Speaker 4: was just meeting.
Speaker 5: I was with somebody and we had a nice lunch
Speaker 5: and stuff like that. But then I started to figure out, oh,
Speaker 5: this is how it rolls. Let me look at your
Speaker 5: faint on that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was. It was eye opening. Is a learning experience.
Speaker 4: I don't remember. I don't remember that.
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Speaker 1: He's got a brand new book out, Sweat Working. They
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Speaker 1: Also new documentary called Kings of the Forests. The documentary
Speaker 1: is great.
Speaker 4: I appreciate that.
Speaker 1: That is really really well you just so I don't
Speaker 1: mess it up.
Speaker 3: The people the Kings of the fort ROUTI yeah, route
Speaker 3: route all right, yeah, because I want to make sure
Speaker 3: I get that right.
Speaker 1: The it is a nomadic tribe. It's one hundred and
Speaker 1: twenty five people. Yep. Where did you first encounter them?
Speaker 4: Actually through a contact in Nepal.
Speaker 6: He told me, you know, we were working together on
Speaker 6: the Icefall Doctors of Everest, and then he said, hey,
Speaker 6: there's a group of people that they only talk with me,
Speaker 6: and they move every two months unless someone dies, they'll
Speaker 6: move the next day and they'll call me. Whenever they're
Speaker 6: in a specific area, they'll find it, go to town,
Speaker 6: find a phone call, just to stay in touch. He's
Speaker 6: he had been in touch with him for like fifteen
Speaker 6: years and said, hey, I think there might be something here.
Speaker 6: So I started to investigate and said, hey, you know
Speaker 6: this is great.
Speaker 1: This Uh.
Speaker 5: They don't have any oral history, they don't have any
Speaker 5: written text about their life. They don't take photographs. So
Speaker 5: I knew the fact that they're depleting and they're going
Speaker 5: to be extinct. That's even more so after I filmed,
Speaker 5: so I was like, I want to do an oral
Speaker 5: history of the route before they disappear. So I went
Speaker 5: out there and spent a couple of days with them
Speaker 5: in the field.
Speaker 3: The and they're not a just so we're real clear.
Speaker 3: It's not an uncontacted tribe of people. But they are
Speaker 3: very and like you said, like they'll go to market
Speaker 3: to sell things and to get things, and I understand that,
Speaker 3: but they're not they're not a social group.
Speaker 5: No, they like to stick to themselves. I wouldn't even
Speaker 5: been allowed in there if it wasn't for Hari, you know.
Speaker 5: That's why I kind of dedicate the film to him,
Speaker 5: because if it wasn't for him, I wouldn't have even
Speaker 5: been there in the first place. So they had to
Speaker 5: kind of warm up to me, which took a while.
Speaker 5: You know, things like the drone that helped. That's when
Speaker 5: they're like, oh, this guy is interesting. I too, because
Speaker 5: there's no electronics.
Speaker 3: There's no like, nobody's got a phone, nobody's got an iPad, like,
Speaker 3: nobody's like there's I don't want to say they have
Speaker 3: nothing because they are so happy, like they are very
Speaker 3: very happy people. But the two things when you bring
Speaker 3: that drone out and they're looking at it, they're looking at.
Speaker 1: It like, dude, what are you doing?
Speaker 5: The first time they've ever seen something like that, So
Speaker 5: they're all like, oh my god, that's amazing.
Speaker 3: But also there's some scenes where they're walking by like
Speaker 3: they're they're they're moving. They're a nomadic tron and they're
Speaker 3: moving and you could tell they walk by the camera
Speaker 3: because you get one of these.
Speaker 5: They're checking it out. Yeah for sure, Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 5: They like to see themselves, you know, after your videotape them,
Speaker 5: they like to see you would show back kind of
Speaker 5: like some of them, most of the kids. The kids
Speaker 5: like to look at themselves. So that was cool, and
Speaker 5: they're grown ups kind of kept it themselves.
Speaker 4: They really you know, and you you you.
Speaker 3: You talk about how, like you just said, you wanted
Speaker 3: to do like a history of them before they go extinct,
Speaker 3: and you talk about how their society is disappearing, but
Speaker 3: also their ideals are disappearing.
Speaker 1: So I think like the society part, I think I get.
Speaker 1: What about the ideals part.
Speaker 5: Though, Well, it's just because of so many outside forces
Speaker 5: now are coming in. Since I've filmed, they actually have
Speaker 5: like a government official that stays with them from what
Speaker 5: I've read all the time, and so they have all
Speaker 5: these outside forces, so they can't really live the life
Speaker 5: I think they really want to live, and they're seeing
Speaker 5: it disappear unfortunately for them. And then a couple of
Speaker 5: the the younger ones have been kind of whisked away
Speaker 5: by townies and things like that. So it hasn't gone
Speaker 5: really well from them, especially since even since I filmed.
Speaker 5: That's why I'm really glad I filmed. It's only gotten worse.
Speaker 5: And I think they again, they said within ten years
Speaker 5: they think they'll be extinct or at least separated completely.
Speaker 3: So that band of one hundred and twenty five, if
Speaker 3: you will, yeah, they won't. They won't exist as a
Speaker 3: band of one hundred and twenty five.
Speaker 4: That's what they say.
Speaker 5: I mean, who knows, but yeah, I mean it's it's
Speaker 5: rapidly deterior and I think just because again there's so
Speaker 5: much outside people coming in now all the time. They
Speaker 5: can't really live their life the way they feel they
Speaker 5: want to live it. But they're trying to, you know,
Speaker 5: they're still trying to keep They've done it for centuries.
Speaker 3: So like with with outside people coming in, is it
Speaker 3: too hard to resist when they see what I don't
Speaker 3: I even want to say what modern things look like,
Speaker 3: but just the toys or you know what I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't know what to call it. Where they go.
Speaker 3: Maybe better isn't the right word, because they're they're happy people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but is it just you at some point you
Speaker 1: just can't resist it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, I when I was an I member,
Speaker 5: I was in town before I was waiting for the
Speaker 5: to to walk out, and uh, the couple of kids
Speaker 5: came into town and they trying to get me to
Speaker 5: buy them cokes and stuff like that, and I think,
Speaker 5: you know, just again the outside things are like okay,
Speaker 5: or crackers or.
Speaker 4: Something like that. They're not used to having that right.
Speaker 4: They're used to having their with their you know, they
Speaker 4: eat monkey. They didn't get into that. I couldn't.
Speaker 5: I was trying to get him to talk about that
Speaker 5: they hunt monkey through nets like monkey nets, but they
Speaker 5: wouldn't let me. I wanted to go on a hunt
Speaker 5: with them, but they was like absolutely not, you're not
Speaker 5: going to do this.
Speaker 4: But I was able to.
Speaker 1: They think people wouldn't be able to.
Speaker 5: Yeah, maybe they look down upon them because you're not
Speaker 5: supposed to do that with a monkey. But yeah, they're
Speaker 5: like they're the only ones that usually they eat monkey.
Speaker 5: That's their meat, their may meat.
Speaker 1: So there's there's a there's a one scene in the
Speaker 1: in the documentary.
Speaker 3: I mean you've seen a couple of times but the
Speaker 3: one one that really sticks out where people from the
Speaker 3: family have gone out to I'm assuming to go get
Speaker 3: food and maybe I'm wrong, but they come.
Speaker 1: Back with like a stack of it's well water, Oh
Speaker 1: it's water. Oh okay, I gotcha, but like a huge stack.
Speaker 1: I don't even know what you call those things, but there's.
Speaker 3: Like a huge stack of like buckets on top of buckets,
Speaker 3: on top of buckets on their head.
Speaker 1: I assumed it was some kind of food. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it would make sense that it's water.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's the women go out and get fresh water,
Speaker 5: which was They had to walk a long way when
Speaker 5: I was when I was with them because it was
Speaker 5: way way far away where there's clean water. So they
Speaker 5: bring a ton of them and then they carry them
Speaker 5: on top of their heads. They just stack them up
Speaker 5: as you saw and seeing the film.
Speaker 1: And what is the like you said, they move every
Speaker 1: two and a half months or sooner.
Speaker 5: If someone dies, they'll move the next day. Why that's
Speaker 5: just part of their their culture, their religion. If someone dies,
Speaker 5: they move the very next day. But they move every
Speaker 5: two and a half months, and they won't go back
Speaker 5: to the same area for like another twenty years. It's
Speaker 5: like an environmentalist type of thing. They know, you know,
Speaker 5: they use up the resources and then they move and
Speaker 5: then they just kind of do like a big circle
Speaker 5: around Nepal in certain areas, mostly in the middle of Nepal,
Speaker 5: and then come back. They'll call it come back to
Speaker 5: around that area about twenty years later. But they just
Speaker 5: keep moving and moving and moving. So they set up,
Speaker 5: you know, there's temporary shelters and then day two days boom,
Speaker 5: they're gone.
Speaker 3: And they said they never fight, they never, they never.
Speaker 3: They they if there's an if there's a disagree, everybody
Speaker 3: sits down.
Speaker 1: They just figure it out.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's equal, women and men are equal in their
Speaker 5: decisions and things like that. The guy that I was
Speaker 5: talking to, he was just the spokesperson, but he was,
Speaker 5: you know, the de facto leader. But he really wasn't
Speaker 5: the leader, but he was the spokesperson who was willing
Speaker 5: to tell me all the traditions and the beliefs of
Speaker 5: what they of the royalty of people do you believe?
Speaker 3: Well, let me back up a step, and I don't
Speaker 3: I don't mean this to sound negative towards them.
Speaker 1: What do they do all day?
Speaker 4: Sit around? Sound make food?
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it's if you see in the film, it's
Speaker 5: becoming kind of dirty if they stay there for what
Speaker 5: I was dead been there for about a month and
Speaker 5: a half.
Speaker 4: So again, hygiene is not a big thing.
Speaker 5: That's one of the reasons why they're having trouble, right,
Speaker 5: it's getting more dirty and bringing outside things in so
Speaker 5: it's not as clean sources as well. But yeah, they
Speaker 5: just a lot of them just sit around and uh,
Speaker 5: you know, like the one thing with the guy playing
Speaker 5: with his kids. You know, they're just sitting there eating
Speaker 5: bananas and just hang out each day and it's it's
Speaker 5: really hot, so they'll hang out and talk with each other,
Speaker 5: and then during the day they'll stay in their tents
Speaker 5: with their kids and their family, and then they'll come
Speaker 5: out at night, whether a cooking rice or something like that.
Speaker 5: And they'll go into town periodically, go into town to
Speaker 5: trade stuff. Right, they make the woodwork, so going on
Speaker 5: and and sell that. From that, they'll get their rice
Speaker 5: or whatever, barley or whatever wherever they whatever they need.
Speaker 3: Because some some of the some of the members are
Speaker 3: wearing loincloths or or like a like almost like a
Speaker 3: not like a bed sheet, but just like sudden they
Speaker 3: wrap around and then I'm looking at some of them
Speaker 3: like you got slides on, bro, Like that's all right,
Speaker 3: Like you're doing all right there.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they'll take it where they can get it, for sure.
Speaker 5: I mean, if someone gives them stuff, they'll take it.
Speaker 5: It's not like no I can't. They'll take it if
Speaker 5: they're if if someone gives it to them. But they
Speaker 5: usually don't buy this thing. The only one only money
Speaker 5: they use from their materials that they sell is for
Speaker 5: usually just for basic like food and then you know,
Speaker 5: for brushing teeth, I guess and the.
Speaker 3: Like. When you said like they don't they don't do anything,
Speaker 3: like at one point you're trying to like dance with
Speaker 3: them or something, and I was like, you can't dance
Speaker 3: all day, Like.
Speaker 1: That's not that's not gonna happen.
Speaker 4: Well, that was a special ceremony.
Speaker 5: And first of all, I don't dance, so I was
Speaker 5: dancing with them all I was filming them dance.
Speaker 4: I'm God forbidden me dancing with him. Puts on camera.
Speaker 1: No no, no, no, this is the electric slot.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah no that would that would that would not
Speaker 4: be good material to watch.
Speaker 1: Did they like your tattoos?
Speaker 4: Yeah? They thought that was interesting.
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, I bet, because I mean, it
Speaker 3: doesn't get addressed, but at some point you stick out
Speaker 3: a little bit when you're like yeah with them.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they knew I was coming for I had a guy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but like you you're just you know, like you're
Speaker 3: wearing like you got a backpack and you've got like obviously.
Speaker 1: You had a drone, and but your arms are exposed.
Speaker 1: And I was thinking, like for the for the younger kids.
Speaker 3: Maybe for the adults they wouldn't care, but like for
Speaker 3: the younger kids, I would think they would see your
Speaker 3: arms and go like that's kind of bad ass or
Speaker 3: intrigued by it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'd intrigued, was probably. Yeah, they're very intrigued.
Speaker 5: They'd follow me around everywhere, of course, and you know
Speaker 5: I show that a little bit in the film about
Speaker 5: how they're following me around and just you know, making
Speaker 5: sounds and stuff like that. Again, they could they would
Speaker 5: mimic what I was saying, but they didn't understand what
Speaker 5: I was saying.
Speaker 3: What is the other than just capturing their history or
Speaker 3: being able to document if they if if within the
Speaker 3: next ten years they they don't exist anymore.
Speaker 1: What a horrible thing to say that feels weird to say.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's sad.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 5: They live a simple life, and that's one of the
Speaker 5: things that kind of got gravitated towards it. And it
Speaker 5: goes back to our discussion earlier on mountaineering is life
Speaker 5: doesn't have to be complicated. We make it complicated. You know,
Speaker 5: you go to the store and you want to get yogurt.
Speaker 5: You got twenty different yogurts. You only need one, you know.
Speaker 5: It just things get complicated and everything there is very simplistic,
Speaker 5: and that's unfortunately deteriorating. And so that's why I thought
Speaker 5: it was important. I thought I could learn from them,
Speaker 5: and I did, of course. On again, life doesn't have
Speaker 5: to be that hard.
Speaker 4: Just we make it hard on ourselves, I think a
Speaker 4: lot of the time.
Speaker 3: And it is.
Speaker 1: But it's funny when you watch the when you watch
Speaker 1: the documentary, it seems like it's hard.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's not that that time. It's not
Speaker 4: for me, yeah absolutely.
Speaker 5: I mean, people like oh, without their phones and having
Speaker 5: to search for food and go out hunting, Yeah for sure.
Speaker 5: You know, I don't know if i'd like that twenty
Speaker 5: four to seven either. I just like the simplistic aspect
Speaker 5: of being in nature, and I think anybody can get
Speaker 5: used to it if you're put in that position long enough.
Speaker 4: But yeah, for sure, it's not for it, not for everyone.
Speaker 3: At the end of the at the end of the
Speaker 3: document Oh, let me back up, because I wanted to
Speaker 3: ask you, so, other than just documenting that there existence
Speaker 3: or a little bit of a history, what else, what
Speaker 3: else are you hoping to get out of it, other
Speaker 3: than just to celebrate them or exposed not exposed sounds
Speaker 3: like you're taking advantage of them, but just that these
Speaker 3: people existed.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's my whole thing. Yeah, I mean, I'm not
Speaker 5: there to make money. You lose money in documentary filmmaking.
Speaker 5: I've I've flust so much money on this. It's it's
Speaker 5: the matter of just documenting what I feel is an
Speaker 5: important component of life and being on this earth is Hey,
Speaker 5: these are a group of people. I want to document
Speaker 5: them before they're before they're gone. I feel it's important,
Speaker 5: and some other people may not feel that way.
Speaker 3: I do.
Speaker 4: I feel that's important. So that's why I was there.
Speaker 3: Have you watched the credits to the movie, the credits
Speaker 3: of the documentary of the documentary, Yeah, so like when
Speaker 3: it rolls at the end. You've watched all of those
Speaker 3: atmosphere drone eight.
Speaker 4: Yeah you wrote that, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean it's
Speaker 4: computer writing. It's not.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 1: I got all excited.
Speaker 5: I'm like, you're on the soundtrack. Yeah, I'm on a soundtrack,
Speaker 5: but it's it's something I created. I mean, I play
Speaker 5: guitar and drums, but you do. Yeah, yeah, guitar drums.
Speaker 1: And where you like a like Nepall mountain drum circle.
Speaker 4: Guy, everyone gather around. I will now play my guitar.
Speaker 1: It's your favorite time of night, and you.
Speaker 5: Will sting along with me. There is only one river
Speaker 5: as ode to Everest. No no, but yeah, me and
Speaker 5: me and my son jam all the time. But I
Speaker 5: didn't feel I thought it was too much work to
Speaker 5: do that. So, you know, through the through the atmospheric
Speaker 5: drum thing, which is is not really complicated to do
Speaker 5: these days, right. I did that because I like those
Speaker 5: steady sounds that I feel are ominous and kind of
Speaker 5: set the tone of the film.
Speaker 4: Sure, and that's that's.
Speaker 1: What I do. Okay. I got all excited.
Speaker 3: I was like, man, you're on the soundtrack, look at
Speaker 3: you go? The all right, So we had the book,
Speaker 3: we have the documentary. Obviously you're still doing all your
Speaker 3: fitness stuff and all that. What what are you like,
Speaker 3: what do we do next?
Speaker 5: Well, I'm still you know, still doing the leadership, executive leadership.
Speaker 5: I'm still doing yeah, film work. I'm I'm working on
Speaker 5: trying to get an expedition going back. I want to
Speaker 5: go to to India Himalaya, but I'm having tough time
Speaker 5: finding a logistic team. I thought I found one and
Speaker 5: then I said, you know, what recommendations do you have?
Speaker 5: So they sent me a bunch of stuff. So I
Speaker 5: was looking through it and I was like, this has
Speaker 5: kind of been done. You know, I want something a
Speaker 5: little bit. Can you do something a little bit more challenging,
Speaker 5: little something that kind of sets the bar? And then
Speaker 5: they ghosted me.
Speaker 4: You stop talking to me. I'm like, oh, here you
Speaker 4: go here again. They just tell me you can't do
Speaker 4: it or you don't want to do it.
Speaker 3: But but what is the like when you say the
Speaker 3: India Himalaya is what am I looking at there?
Speaker 4: It's the Himalaya. I just in India. I've never been to.
Speaker 5: It's kind of like the reason I went to Spain
Speaker 5: for the one of the film premieres is. I've never
Speaker 5: been into Spain, and it's always nice to see your
Speaker 5: film on a big screen. So, and I love the Himalaya.
Speaker 5: I've never been to India, so here you go. Here's
Speaker 5: two things. It's like when I went to the North Pole. Right,
Speaker 5: I've never been a North Pole. I've never won a marathon.
Speaker 5: Let's do two things.
Speaker 1: Those both out.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So I was thinking, well, I love to go
Speaker 5: to India, the northern part. I've heard some good things
Speaker 5: about it, and I would love to go back to
Speaker 5: the Himalaya. I heard there's some really that, you know,
Speaker 5: the Pakistan in India that kind of have some they're
Speaker 5: bumping heads, but there's some kind of sketchy areas and
Speaker 5: some mountaineers mountaineering regions that I was thinking, you know what,
Speaker 5: that kind of sounds enticing, So maybe I'll look. I'm
Speaker 5: looking into it to see if I can go there.
Speaker 5: And this would be after, of course, our hiking trip
Speaker 5: to Shasta.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, that's part.
Speaker 4: That's number one.
Speaker 1: Is there a good time like two things? Number one,
Speaker 1: is there a good time of year to do that?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Usually in the spring, like May, like out.
Speaker 1: Of twenty twenty six, you're talking.
Speaker 4: About Shasta, you're talking about India, Himalaya.
Speaker 1: You think you're getting me on the India. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'd love to go. I love the idiots.
Speaker 5: We can go all all summer, but I like going
Speaker 5: early because it's more snow. It's easier to hike, easier
Speaker 5: to climb.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, I mean I like snow like, I'm good
Speaker 1: with that.
Speaker 4: You learn crampons, getting crampons a man and ice ACKs,
Speaker 4: the you love.
Speaker 1: That beautiful the What is the is there? Do I
Speaker 1: have to do any pre training?
Speaker 4: Well?
Speaker 5: You have the book on hyper Fitness, which of course
Speaker 5: I know you've read from cover to cover several times.
Speaker 4: You told me it was on your sam that you're
Speaker 4: still there. You're still there. You're looking at it every
Speaker 4: night and just just.
Speaker 1: Sweat working like it's right there with it. No, No,
Speaker 1: like is there?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 1: Would I would I have to put in a crap
Speaker 1: ton of training?
Speaker 4: No, I don't think so.
Speaker 5: I mean if we could set you on a just
Speaker 5: start off with the walking thing and we can work
Speaker 5: off to it, I gotta I go to find out.
Speaker 5: You know, dive deeper? And what are you doing every
Speaker 5: day your exercise? You're looking at it right yeah, right there.
Speaker 5: My feet my seat don't reach the floor, so.
Speaker 1: I do hop to get down. It's like box jumping.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Now I think, I know, I think. I think mentally,
Speaker 5: I think you're I think you could do it. Just mentally,
Speaker 5: I think you're mentally really strong.
Speaker 4: I really I think so.
Speaker 5: Just from through the years of hearing you, I was like,
Speaker 5: I bet you if I make it stubborn enough, like
Speaker 5: hey man, you can't do it, you'll be more like, Oh, I.
Speaker 1: Would love I would I would love to go.
Speaker 3: That'd be a good warm up to get I would
Speaker 3: feel good about getting you set for India.
Speaker 5: I would love to get you on that mountain and
Speaker 5: get you to summit, and then you just how you
Speaker 5: evolve after that, how you look at life. I guarantee
Speaker 5: it it would be you'll look at it differently in
Speaker 5: a more positive way.
Speaker 1: Can I ask you this, of all of the how
Speaker 1: many how many mountains have you summitted?
Speaker 5: How many people first ascents? I've done over one hundred
Speaker 5: and forty first ascents?
Speaker 1: First ascent meaning you're the first first person I've ever.
Speaker 5: Known one hundred and forty of those, and then other
Speaker 5: mountains I don't know, are many hundreds I'm gonna say hundreds,
Speaker 5: but I've done I used.
Speaker 1: Its one hundred and forty. You were the first one.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah, I'm author using separate from from the
Speaker 5: first ascents. I've done the first ascent one hundred and forty,
Speaker 5: and then you know, then the other mountains I've climbed
Speaker 5: that other people I've climb you know, I did that volcano,
Speaker 5: one of the highest volcanoes, and a couple of eight
Speaker 5: thousand meter peaks, a bunch of fourteen ers here, climbed
Speaker 5: a bunch of fourteen ers with my son.
Speaker 4: So I don't know, maybe to two hundred.
Speaker 3: If you is there a place on the on the
Speaker 3: globe that you've stood that is the most beautiful view.
Speaker 1: Of the world us?
Speaker 4: Every first ascent?
Speaker 3: Is it?
Speaker 1: Really?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 5: It's it's It's an incredible feeling to step atop a
Speaker 5: mountain that no one's ever been.
Speaker 4: I can't.
Speaker 5: It's indescribable to me, at least it is like, Okay,
Speaker 5: I'm the first person to view this. I get a big,
Speaker 5: big joy out of it. Makes all the hard work,
Speaker 5: you know, the dowting and going why am I doing this?
Speaker 5: This is a stupid makes it all worth it. Every
Speaker 5: any mountain I I I climbed at the top, it's
Speaker 5: always that that same feeling I get just energizes me.
Speaker 5: And no matter how tired I am, when I get
Speaker 5: bound to the bottom the next down rated role, I'm
Speaker 5: I get I'm really tired.
Speaker 4: I sleep, I wake up, I'm like, let's go. I
Speaker 4: just I get so excited about.
Speaker 1: When is a When is the last time you were
Speaker 1: on a mountain.
Speaker 4: Of a big mountain?
Speaker 5: I mean, I want hiking, just some mountains in Spain,
Speaker 5: but that's when Spain. But that's not too high. I
Speaker 5: you know, I'd say anything of value. Let's say, for
Speaker 5: the better term, was the highest volcano was in Argentina?
Speaker 1: And how long ago was that?
Speaker 4: Uh year, year and a half?
Speaker 1: Oh, okay, year and a half, forgot that bad but
Speaker 1: half ago. But you're jones in like, oh my.
Speaker 5: God, yeah, yeah, oh my gosh. Yeah, I'd go tomorrow
Speaker 5: in him if I could. I'm just trying to. I'm
Speaker 5: thinking about actually just going there with my backpack and
Speaker 5: just like screw it, I'm just gonna go there, no
Speaker 5: plans and then just start figuring out mountains to climb.
Speaker 3: If you get that hair in your ass and you're like,
Speaker 3: I have to go during the summer. Go, don't let
Speaker 3: me hold you back. You go.
Speaker 1: We're gonna, we're gonna go in May. We're gonna be there.
Speaker 1: We're gonna know we're going.
Speaker 4: We'll go in May early June.
Speaker 5: It's not gonna it's not gonna uphold anything that I've
Speaker 5: I'm doing, dude.
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Speaker 1: it makes me upset with myself, but I love when
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Speaker 4: So I feel good about that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because you know, you know exactly what's gonna happen
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Speaker 3: You know what. During during the commercial I walk back in,
Speaker 3: Sean uttered a sentence. I almost I honestly thought I
Speaker 3: was gonna vomit. He and Christian were talking. He was like, Oh,
Speaker 3: I never go out to eat. You know, I've been
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Speaker 1: Have you ever door dashed a meal?
Speaker 4: I don't. I've never do on a mountain. I don't
Speaker 4: have an account none of that stuff. Nope, don't got it,
Speaker 4: don't have it. Don't have it. I told you.
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Speaker 5: Yes, I don't want to go to that side because
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