WEBVTT - 2-19-26 Scott Sloan Show 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:02.960 Do you want to be in a Mafican Yeah, I 0:00:03.000 --> 0:00:05.560 am sick for the pup baby, sick for the one 0:00:05.559 --> 0:00:09.960 o'clock today women go eh Men beat Sweden to one 0:00:10.000 --> 0:00:13.840 in overtime. Fantastic, fantastic. All right, Scott's throwing back with you. 0:00:13.920 --> 0:00:16.160 Hope you're doing well. Back half of the week upon 0:00:16.239 --> 0:00:18.600 us here on this Thursday morning. If you have a kid, 0:00:19.120 --> 0:00:21.959 maybe a grandkid, maybe a nephew and niece, they play 0:00:22.120 --> 0:00:24.319 high school sports in Ohio, a new law could block 0:00:24.400 --> 0:00:27.600 them from making money off their talent. So lawmakers are 0:00:27.640 --> 0:00:30.400 working on legislation to prevent Ohio high school student athletes 0:00:30.440 --> 0:00:34.360 from earning name, image, likeness NIL compensation. Some of the 0:00:34.479 --> 0:00:36.800 key points real quick here Ohio, we are one of 0:00:36.920 --> 0:00:40.080 forty five states that allows some form of high school NIL. 0:00:41.080 --> 0:00:43.600 And the way the new proposal would work if passed 0:00:43.640 --> 0:00:48.440 in the law is a student earning compensation from an 0:00:48.520 --> 0:00:52.479 NIL deal would lose eligibility in that specific sport, but 0:00:52.560 --> 0:00:54.800 remain eligible another. So if you're a multi sport athlete, 0:00:54.840 --> 0:00:56.840 if I don't know, you get some of NIL endorsement 0:00:56.880 --> 0:00:59.960 for football, you're no longer eligible for playing that sport. 0:01:00.520 --> 0:01:03.960 We had testimony from Steve Speck, who is a coach 0:01:04.000 --> 0:01:08.520 at Dea Xavier, and Jonathan Cooper, superintendent Mason High School, 0:01:08.560 --> 0:01:11.759 testifying as proposed to the bill, they're concerned about pay to play, 0:01:11.800 --> 0:01:15.160 the culture, and also team cohesion. Joining the show is 0:01:15.200 --> 0:01:18.240 the co sponsor of this piece of legislation, That would 0:01:18.280 --> 0:01:21.720 be the esteemed Representative Adam Byrd out of New Richmond 0:01:21.720 --> 0:01:23.520 this morning on seven hundred WLW. 0:01:23.680 --> 0:01:25.880 How are you, Sonny. 0:01:25.920 --> 0:01:27.480 It's great to be with you. We've had a busy 0:01:27.480 --> 0:01:30.440 week in Columbus this week, but it's an honor to 0:01:30.440 --> 0:01:31.880 serve the people of southern Ohio. 0:01:32.000 --> 0:01:34.040 Okay, So I look at this, and you know, I'm 0:01:34.040 --> 0:01:36.560 more at libertarian, so I'll disagree somewhat. I push back 0:01:36.600 --> 0:01:39.920 on this, but the Ohio High School Athletical Associates said, like, 0:01:40.280 --> 0:01:42.280 I think it's four hundred and forty seven members schools 0:01:42.319 --> 0:01:45.760 already voted for Nile with guardrails, so why override that 0:01:45.800 --> 0:01:47.600 decision the schools made themselves. 0:01:48.680 --> 0:01:51.320 Well that's a great point, but if you take a 0:01:51.360 --> 0:01:55.000 look deeper at the number, Sony, about fifty five percent 0:01:55.080 --> 0:01:57.920 of the schools voted yes, about forty five percent of 0:01:57.920 --> 0:02:01.320 the schools voted no or abstained, and I have it 0:02:01.360 --> 0:02:05.440 on good authority with conversations that many people that voted 0:02:05.480 --> 0:02:07.800 guests didn't really want to. They held their nose and 0:02:07.840 --> 0:02:11.560 they did it because OHSAA was asking them to, and 0:02:11.600 --> 0:02:14.919 they were OHSAA is asking them to do this because 0:02:14.960 --> 0:02:18.800 of one judge in Franklin County that issued a temporary 0:02:18.840 --> 0:02:21.160 restraining order on a judgment on a kid from Dayton. 0:02:21.200 --> 0:02:23.600 So you know, it's I don't think that we should 0:02:23.639 --> 0:02:27.639 be sitting around making making decisions of this importance based 0:02:27.639 --> 0:02:30.000 on what one judge in Franklin County says. 0:02:30.120 --> 0:02:33.680 Okay, so I guess the current flame. Well, let me 0:02:33.720 --> 0:02:35.680 back up a second. We're one of forty five states 0:02:35.680 --> 0:02:38.720 that allow nil, some almost the entire country at this point. 0:02:38.880 --> 0:02:41.000 Are you concerned at all this with our student athletes 0:02:41.000 --> 0:02:43.280 at a competitive disadvantage when it comes to recruiting and 0:02:43.320 --> 0:02:45.040 visibility compared to other states. 0:02:46.320 --> 0:02:49.000 Yeah, good point on that, And I have two points 0:02:49.040 --> 0:02:52.200 on that. Number One, when you look at and I've 0:02:52.240 --> 0:02:55.799 done the research from the National Association of State Legislatures 0:02:55.840 --> 0:03:00.400 and those states that are allowing it, overwhelmingly, they are 0:03:00.440 --> 0:03:03.080 doing it because the athletic governing body has made that 0:03:03.120 --> 0:03:05.840 decision and not their state legislator. So they stayed out 0:03:05.840 --> 0:03:10.040 of it. And I think that's a problem, and and 0:03:10.720 --> 0:03:16.120 you know it's it. I think that we use that 0:03:16.200 --> 0:03:21.079 sometimes to make an argument Forlorida. And then secondly, I've 0:03:21.120 --> 0:03:24.600 spoken to Ohio State University athletic director and they don't 0:03:24.600 --> 0:03:27.040 care about this. They don't think it hurts their recruiting. 0:03:27.320 --> 0:03:30.040 I suspect University of Cincinnati and Xavier think the same 0:03:30.080 --> 0:03:34.399 thing because they're international recruiters, they're national recruiters. They get 0:03:34.560 --> 0:03:37.880 five star recruits from California, Florida, Texas all the time. 0:03:37.920 --> 0:03:40.600 So if a if a kid were to leave the 0:03:40.640 --> 0:03:42.600 state of Ohio as a high school athlete to earn 0:03:42.680 --> 0:03:45.520 nil money elsewhere, Ohio State would still be able to 0:03:45.560 --> 0:03:46.839 recruit them and get them back here. 0:03:46.960 --> 0:03:50.720 Gotcha? Do they go? What does getting it right look like? 0:03:50.720 --> 0:03:53.160 I mean, it is a total ban really necessary on this, 0:03:53.240 --> 0:03:54.640 I mean, and as it also as it tended to 0:03:54.680 --> 0:03:57.440 be in permanent. Is this just a pause while a 0:03:57.560 --> 0:04:01.280 more refined policies developed? And so what's the timeline? There 0:04:01.480 --> 0:04:02.680 A lot of elements to that question. 0:04:02.760 --> 0:04:06.240 Go ahead for sure, and so as far as the 0:04:06.280 --> 0:04:09.120 timeline of this bill goes, you know, We had a 0:04:09.560 --> 0:04:13.200 proponent testimony this week in Columbus. Next week we'll hopefully 0:04:13.680 --> 0:04:15.720 I've gotten permission from the chair of the committee to 0:04:16.240 --> 0:04:18.800 have a few more proponent testimonies. But there'll also be 0:04:18.880 --> 0:04:22.159 opportunity next week for opponents of the bills to come 0:04:22.480 --> 0:04:27.680 and testify. And so, you know, my goal would be 0:04:27.720 --> 0:04:30.640 to have this in place for next school year. And 0:04:30.720 --> 0:04:32.960 as you know, whenever the governor signed the bill, it 0:04:33.000 --> 0:04:35.760 doesn't become law for ninety days. So I've got to 0:04:35.760 --> 0:04:37.919 get this done and all the way to the Governor's 0:04:37.920 --> 0:04:39.840 desk by June in order to get it done by 0:04:40.440 --> 0:04:42.640 next school year. So that's a tough timeline. It's a 0:04:42.680 --> 0:04:45.760 big lift, and I realized that. And also as far 0:04:45.800 --> 0:04:49.160 as the bill goes, can it be changed. Of course, 0:04:49.160 --> 0:04:51.560 it can be changed as part of the legislative process. 0:04:51.839 --> 0:04:53.840 Amendments happen all of the time, so we'll see how 0:04:53.839 --> 0:04:54.839 that goes, okay. 0:04:55.800 --> 0:04:57.880 But this would be an outright ban on all of 0:04:57.920 --> 0:05:02.039 it too. And we've talked to past about this representative 0:05:02.080 --> 0:05:05.080 bird you know, the I guess critics and I'm on 0:05:05.120 --> 0:05:07.640 this side it as a as a student, don't you 0:05:07.680 --> 0:05:10.839 have a right You're really you're basically overing a overwriting 0:05:10.880 --> 0:05:14.160 a right students already legally have. You're rolling back an 0:05:14.200 --> 0:05:17.960 opportunity for minors to earn income if you're really really good. 0:05:17.960 --> 0:05:19.920 I don't know if you're an artist, if you're a musician. 0:05:20.120 --> 0:05:23.120 If you are, I don't name a scale a kid has, 0:05:23.160 --> 0:05:26.560 if you can monetize that, why just drawn on exception 0:05:26.640 --> 0:05:28.640 for sports as opposed to other ways or kids to 0:05:28.640 --> 0:05:30.719 earn money. 0:05:30.800 --> 0:05:33.160 Yeah, so there's there's a lot of there's a lot 0:05:33.160 --> 0:05:35.240 of issues here. And that's always a good question that 0:05:35.279 --> 0:05:37.760 you asked me on this smy and and so you 0:05:37.800 --> 0:05:42.440 know already you've got parents and students who are yelling 0:05:42.440 --> 0:05:46.080 at the coach demanding more time. You're you're you're costing 0:05:46.120 --> 0:05:49.080 my kid a scholarship because you're not playing them. Well, 0:05:49.080 --> 0:05:51.080 now they're going to add to that, you're costing my 0:05:51.160 --> 0:05:53.440 kid an nil deal because you're not putting my kid 0:05:53.480 --> 0:05:56.560 in the game. And uh, and so there's all clients 0:05:56.600 --> 0:05:58.599 that there's going to be all kinds of inequality and 0:05:58.880 --> 0:06:03.159 unfairantage to the rich school versus the poor school who 0:06:03.200 --> 0:06:06.040 has you know, the businesses and wealthy alumni that can 0:06:06.080 --> 0:06:08.359 afford to give an il deals you're going to have 0:06:08.400 --> 0:06:10.800 inequality when it comes to male female. We've seen that 0:06:10.880 --> 0:06:13.840 already at the college level. You've got the star versus 0:06:13.839 --> 0:06:16.599 the average kid. And we're going to give the the 0:06:17.000 --> 0:06:20.640 quarterback a big deal. Why the offensive lineman protecting yet nothing? 0:06:21.200 --> 0:06:24.640 And and then how about this mony. I talked yesterday 0:06:25.000 --> 0:06:28.919 in Columbus to a sports agent, a licensed sports agent 0:06:28.920 --> 0:06:34.440 in Ohio. These unscrupulous supports agents that are not licensed 0:06:34.520 --> 0:06:38.359 are already taking advantage of students by signing them to 0:06:38.480 --> 0:06:42.919 twenty percent deals that give the agent twenty percent of 0:06:42.960 --> 0:06:45.960 the nil money. So these kids are already going to 0:06:46.040 --> 0:06:49.359 get are already getting exploited by unscrupulous people. 0:06:49.400 --> 0:06:51.640 Well, how is someone charging the sea for their services 0:06:51.680 --> 0:06:53.839 exploiting them? I mean I could I can say the 0:06:53.839 --> 0:06:56.400 same thing about kids who work and have to pay taxes. 0:06:56.440 --> 0:06:58.760 I might have to now grated they don't, but I 0:06:59.080 --> 0:07:01.040 guess hire a tax professional because I don't know why 0:07:01.040 --> 0:07:02.560 I do. It isn't the same. You know, it's a 0:07:02.600 --> 0:07:05.320 service you have, it's you're taking a percentage of their income, 0:07:05.360 --> 0:07:08.080 which is well, you know, welcome to the real world. 0:07:08.120 --> 0:07:09.640 That's how I would say. A lot of this is like, 0:07:09.680 --> 0:07:11.920 well that's the real world working there that you know, 0:07:12.000 --> 0:07:14.200 some people are born with a skiller set and they 0:07:14.200 --> 0:07:17.480 get elevated above other people have to work on scrap. 0:07:17.640 --> 0:07:18.480 That's part of it, right. 0:07:19.800 --> 0:07:21.960 Well, I'm not talking about the fact that they get 0:07:21.960 --> 0:07:25.320 a cut. I'm talking about the percentage twenty percent. Ask 0:07:25.360 --> 0:07:28.800 Joe Burrow what he thinks about twenty percent for his agent. Uh, 0:07:28.840 --> 0:07:31.840 there's no way. NFL agents don't charge that much. It's 0:07:31.880 --> 0:07:34.560 like three or five percent. Sure, twenty percent is an 0:07:34.600 --> 0:07:41.440 outrageously exploitive amount for these sharky kinds of people that 0:07:41.480 --> 0:07:43.320 are out there hovering around kids. 0:07:43.600 --> 0:07:45.640 Well, okay, if that's the case, so why not just 0:07:45.800 --> 0:07:48.880 regulate it like you do other industries. You know, there's 0:07:49.240 --> 0:07:51.600 if you think, if you think twenty percent is confiscatory, 0:07:51.640 --> 0:07:56.400 and I mean trial attorneys which Adam, you're surrounded by them, legislature, 0:07:56.640 --> 0:07:58.400 they get thirty three percent? Is that fair? 0:08:00.440 --> 0:08:04.200 I see your point. I I you know, I just 0:08:04.600 --> 0:08:07.680 I gave you reasons before why I think that that 0:08:07.800 --> 0:08:11.160 this is not that the best for kids. Uh, they're 0:08:11.160 --> 0:08:13.880 going to be exploited. And how about kids that will 0:08:14.280 --> 0:08:17.360 probably be exploited by their own parents on this money? 0:08:17.360 --> 0:08:20.120 You know, I got your you. Let's say I took 0:08:20.160 --> 0:08:22.800 you to the game. I'm going to siphon off some 0:08:22.920 --> 0:08:25.400 of this. You know, we have child labor laws in 0:08:25.560 --> 0:08:28.840 America for a reason because kids have been exploited for years, 0:08:28.880 --> 0:08:30.560 and I think they're going to get exploited in this 0:08:30.720 --> 0:08:31.440 way too. 0:08:31.880 --> 0:08:34.920 If a I don't know. Okay, So let's not talk 0:08:34.920 --> 0:08:37.920 about what you talk about parents exploiting kids for financial gain. 0:08:38.679 --> 0:08:40.719 There are kids who work on farms or kids who 0:08:40.760 --> 0:08:42.120 work in restaurants. What's the difference. 0:08:44.800 --> 0:08:47.840 Well, uh, you know that's part of part of the 0:08:47.880 --> 0:08:51.320 family heritage for sure. And uh, this is this is 0:08:51.360 --> 0:08:57.000 totally different. We're talking about destroying You've seen the direction 0:08:57.200 --> 0:09:00.720 that College Nil has taken that that game, and it 0:09:00.880 --> 0:09:04.319 is moving in the wrong direction. And we should learn 0:09:04.400 --> 0:09:07.839 from the mistakes of the past. And you know when 0:09:07.840 --> 0:09:10.920 you see things like the University of Cincinnati quarterback leaving 0:09:10.960 --> 0:09:13.880 Cincinnati to go to Texas Tech, not because of a 0:09:13.880 --> 0:09:17.000 certain program or better educational opportunity, but so that he 0:09:17.040 --> 0:09:18.800 can get a five and a half million dollar deal, 0:09:18.840 --> 0:09:21.439 which is, by the way, is more than Shaudur standards 0:09:21.520 --> 0:09:23.439 is going to make in its entire five years old 0:09:23.440 --> 0:09:25.320 doubt right with the Browns. 0:09:25.160 --> 0:09:27.200 Well, God bless America. If you can get that money, 0:09:27.240 --> 0:09:29.760 get that money, get that paper. I'm one hundred percent 0:09:29.800 --> 0:09:31.280 behind that. If you have a skill that no one 0:09:31.320 --> 0:09:33.439 else has and you can make money off it, it's 0:09:33.480 --> 0:09:35.680 your name, it's your image, of your likeness. I just 0:09:35.679 --> 0:09:38.080 don't see why that. You know, the argument in God 0:09:38.080 --> 0:09:41.080 Bless Them. I know Steve Speck at Saint x I 0:09:41.200 --> 0:09:43.760 was talking about this in this testimony that it may 0:09:44.080 --> 0:09:46.439 ruin team cohesion and a pay to play culture. But 0:09:46.480 --> 0:09:48.960 guess what that's outside that. I think that horse has 0:09:48.960 --> 0:09:52.000 already left the barn. Representative Adam Bird out of New 0:09:52.080 --> 0:09:55.280 Richmond in that parents are the ones responsible this because 0:09:55.280 --> 0:09:57.880 I mean, we we train. You know, look at you. 0:09:58.040 --> 0:09:59.400 You know, if you're a dad, you want your kid 0:09:59.480 --> 0:10:01.880 to be an next athlete, the next Joe Burrow, something 0:10:01.920 --> 0:10:03.360 like that. And then there's kids that want to be 0:10:03.360 --> 0:10:05.120 the next Joe Burr, probably more than dad wants them 0:10:05.160 --> 0:10:07.320 to be. They're gonna invest money. If you have the 0:10:07.320 --> 0:10:10.960 money in trainers, you're gonna have in coaches and clinics 0:10:11.000 --> 0:10:12.679 and all these things. And you know, if you're a 0:10:12.760 --> 0:10:15.319 kid who doesn't have the means, you can't if for 0:10:15.400 --> 0:10:18.720 your family can't afford that. Yet at the same time, 0:10:18.800 --> 0:10:21.320 it's it's like this whole thing is driven by that culture. 0:10:21.840 --> 0:10:24.840 The sports clude how the people who are testified against 0:10:24.880 --> 0:10:28.880 it get paid public money and bard to create these 0:10:28.920 --> 0:10:31.280 programs that cause that disparity in the first place. I mean, 0:10:31.280 --> 0:10:34.240 their whole job is basically to arrange athletics, which used 0:10:34.280 --> 0:10:36.480 to be a way for kids to be engaged in 0:10:36.559 --> 0:10:38.240 school and maybe get out of the house and have 0:10:38.280 --> 0:10:41.440 an activity. And now it's you know, every parent thinks 0:10:41.440 --> 0:10:44.080 their kid is the next Joe Burrow or Lebron James, 0:10:44.080 --> 0:10:45.480 and that we know that to be the case, but 0:10:45.520 --> 0:10:47.680 you can't tell mom or dad that they have travel 0:10:47.720 --> 0:10:51.400 teams and everything else. Parents have created this culture because 0:10:51.440 --> 0:10:54.120 they've emphasized that that's really important in their lives. 0:10:55.960 --> 0:10:58.640 Well, again, we go back to the reason why these 0:10:58.679 --> 0:11:03.640 programs exist, why we spend public money on providing these programs. 0:11:03.679 --> 0:11:06.960 You mentioned the pay for coaches, which by the way, 0:11:07.080 --> 0:11:10.160 is not that much. Most coaches are getting paid about 0:11:10.160 --> 0:11:13.160 two dollars an hour, And so we do that because 0:11:13.160 --> 0:11:15.600 it's an extension of the classroom. We want to teach 0:11:15.640 --> 0:11:19.480 them teamworking character and discipline and communication and leadership and 0:11:19.520 --> 0:11:22.680 all of these things, fitness and and so that's the 0:11:22.800 --> 0:11:25.200 reason it's an extension of the classroom. It takes you 0:11:25.240 --> 0:11:27.960 a better employee in the future, a better leader in 0:11:28.000 --> 0:11:30.880 the future, and that's the reason why we do that. 0:11:31.320 --> 0:11:34.480 And we have to protect the amateur status of these 0:11:34.679 --> 0:11:36.680 of these things. And if you want to go make 0:11:36.720 --> 0:11:40.120 money off of your your skills, then go to college 0:11:40.200 --> 0:11:43.400 a year early and earn innil money, go to the Olympics, 0:11:43.400 --> 0:11:47.440 go to a sports a professional sports league. And so 0:11:47.640 --> 0:11:49.240 I think it's really important that we protect you. 0:11:49.400 --> 0:11:51.520 I guess I just don't understand how that underminds all 0:11:51.559 --> 0:11:53.560 this because, as I said, you know, you have kids 0:11:53.559 --> 0:11:56.880 from different economic backgrounds, kids that the haves and have nots, 0:11:56.880 --> 0:11:59.440 and that that's that's got a source attention among kids 0:11:59.440 --> 0:12:03.000 as well. I think that's just part of well society, 0:12:03.040 --> 0:12:05.120 that's just part of assimilation to the society in it. 0:12:06.520 --> 0:12:08.080 So, I mean, did you play on a football or 0:12:08.080 --> 0:12:08.839 basketball team? 0:12:09.800 --> 0:12:10.040 No? 0:12:10.040 --> 0:12:13.680 No football, no basketball. I was baseball, hockey and basically 0:12:13.720 --> 0:12:15.200 just staying around by myself. 0:12:16.200 --> 0:12:18.720 Well there you go. I mean, so you have played 0:12:18.760 --> 0:12:22.880 on some team sports and you're going to create problems 0:12:22.960 --> 0:12:26.120 within that locker room. But when you had the star 0:12:26.320 --> 0:12:30.320 versus the average player, the average play I mean, football 0:12:30.440 --> 0:12:34.760 is the greatest team sport ever imagine. And of course 0:12:34.800 --> 0:12:37.440 I would put hockey in there too, But but you're 0:12:37.520 --> 0:12:41.000 going to you're going to create problems in that locker room. 0:12:41.040 --> 0:12:44.520 You're going to dissolve team cohesion. It's going to be 0:12:44.559 --> 0:12:47.400 a mess. You're going to have kids who were playing 0:12:47.440 --> 0:12:49.040 time so that I can get. 0:12:50.280 --> 0:12:51.960 But don't you have that? But don't you have that 0:12:52.040 --> 0:12:53.680 now we're kids? Don't you have that? 0:12:53.760 --> 0:12:53.920 Now? 0:12:53.920 --> 0:12:56.000 Where kids are going for college scholarships. I mean, there 0:12:56.000 --> 0:12:57.600 are kids who are talented or are going to go 0:12:57.640 --> 0:12:59.600 on and play, and there's kids who are just on 0:12:59.600 --> 0:13:01.400 a bench warmers are crying out a lot like me. 0:13:01.600 --> 0:13:05.200 So I'm like, well, you're ready. That conflict's already built in, 0:13:05.280 --> 0:13:06.400 it's already there. 0:13:08.200 --> 0:13:11.280 And now you're going to make it worse. And so, yes, 0:13:11.440 --> 0:13:13.720 there are there are kids who want to play, they 0:13:13.720 --> 0:13:16.480 want an opportunity, and now you're going to be blaming 0:13:16.520 --> 0:13:19.760 the coach. Uh And who's going to want to do that, sloany, 0:13:19.960 --> 0:13:21.720 who's going to want to go put up with that crap? 0:13:21.800 --> 0:13:25.760 You're already yelling at me because your kid's not that good. 0:13:25.880 --> 0:13:30.120 But yet you're blaming me, and now you're blaming me 0:13:30.160 --> 0:13:31.839 that your kid's not getting in IL money. 0:13:31.920 --> 0:13:35.160 Yeah. Yeah, but again that's a culture parents helped create, 0:13:35.200 --> 0:13:37.240 schools leaned into it as well. Let's say it may 0:13:37.280 --> 0:13:40.880 make it worse, but them are the rules, right, Yeah, I. 0:13:41.200 --> 0:13:43.360 Got to protect amateur system. 0:13:43.520 --> 0:13:45.880 Yeah, I don't. I think amateurism has gone out the 0:13:45.920 --> 0:13:48.800 window early. I mean everything has. Everything's for sale now 0:13:48.800 --> 0:13:51.840 these days. And I think also too. You know, private schools, 0:13:51.880 --> 0:13:54.400 public schools already on an even footing and recruiting. Does 0:13:54.400 --> 0:13:57.520 this address that disparity because you know they're schools in 0:13:57.559 --> 0:13:59.800 the listening area. We know that they wind up going 0:13:59.800 --> 0:14:02.200 in hitting kids from across the country to come to 0:14:02.200 --> 0:14:03.880 school there. They take care of mom and dad with 0:14:03.960 --> 0:14:06.200 jobs whatever it might be. And you know that's that's 0:14:06.240 --> 0:14:08.679 also exploitable, exploitative. Does it address that? 0:14:10.080 --> 0:14:12.320 Are you talking about high school kids? I'm talking about 0:14:12.360 --> 0:14:13.080 high school or college? 0:14:13.240 --> 0:14:14.880 I'm talking about how I'm talking about high school? 0:14:15.920 --> 0:14:18.880 Yeah, that should not be happening. It is, and it's 0:14:19.360 --> 0:14:22.400 exactly right, that's what I'm talking about here. They're not 0:14:22.440 --> 0:14:24.360 allowed to do it, but yet they're doing it. Anyway. 0:14:24.520 --> 0:14:27.520 And so do you think that OHSAA, who's supposed to 0:14:27.520 --> 0:14:31.520 be governing the recruiting or monitoring the fact that recruiting 0:14:31.600 --> 0:14:32.960 is not supposed to happen, you think they're going to 0:14:33.000 --> 0:14:36.280 be able to now add nil and add that into 0:14:36.320 --> 0:14:38.280 their ability to police. I just don't know. 0:14:38.320 --> 0:14:41.320 I don't either. But it's like prohibition. We weren't able 0:14:41.320 --> 0:14:44.080 to enforce prohibition. Any time we ban something for a 0:14:44.120 --> 0:14:46.200 moral cause, and it's you know, you're just gonna have 0:14:46.200 --> 0:14:48.200 more black market. You're gonna make the problem worse. It's 0:14:48.240 --> 0:14:50.000 going to be you know, you think the twenty percent 0:14:50.040 --> 0:14:52.760 from an agent's kind of CD, imagine the backdoor deals 0:14:52.760 --> 0:14:54.280 that are going to get done that are getting done 0:14:54.360 --> 0:14:56.560 now or even prior to this whole thing. Isn't it 0:14:56.560 --> 0:14:57.240 going to make it worse? 0:15:00.200 --> 0:15:02.720 No? No, we're trying to protect what we have. And 0:15:02.800 --> 0:15:06.320 if you're a student who is so talented, uh okay, 0:15:06.400 --> 0:15:08.720 I'm okay if you go to another state and apparently 0:15:09.200 --> 0:15:12.000 Ohio State University is okay with it too because they 0:15:12.000 --> 0:15:15.400 know they can still recruit you back. And uh, you know, 0:15:15.560 --> 0:15:19.720 we're trying to protect what has been an awesome learning 0:15:19.760 --> 0:15:24.200 opportunity and growth opportunity. You know, schools are about a 0:15:24.760 --> 0:15:29.680 producing a workforce for business, the business community, growing kids 0:15:29.680 --> 0:15:32.480 so that they can be great and contributing members of 0:15:32.520 --> 0:15:35.440 our society here in America. And you're going to create 0:15:35.480 --> 0:15:37.960 winners and losers. You're going they're going to view it 0:15:37.960 --> 0:15:41.840 as a job, and you're going to create more inequality 0:15:42.280 --> 0:15:46.840 and uh and and how about this leading uh exploitation 0:15:47.040 --> 0:15:49.440 of kids who shouldn't really even be allowed. They're not 0:15:49.520 --> 0:15:53.080 legally allowed to sign a contract without their parents, and 0:15:54.040 --> 0:15:55.440 this is this is a problem. 0:15:55.840 --> 0:15:58.040 All the parents would be the stewards of that. Again, 0:15:58.080 --> 0:15:59.880 you know, we we we should be allowed to make 0:16:00.280 --> 0:16:02.320 we no one's got the layers we open the show 0:16:02.360 --> 0:16:04.000 up with. No one really has the instruction to be 0:16:04.080 --> 0:16:05.800 the perfect parent. So I don't know if mom and 0:16:05.880 --> 0:16:07.920 dad are supervising. I guess I don't have a problem 0:16:07.920 --> 0:16:09.280 with that. I got to leave it at that. He 0:16:09.360 --> 0:16:11.880 is representative ad and Berta new Richmond always enjoy the 0:16:11.880 --> 0:16:13.920 conversation in the in the debate over this, and I 0:16:14.000 --> 0:16:15.640 know you're open mind enough to go, well, I want 0:16:15.640 --> 0:16:17.280 to hear from student athletes. I want to hear from 0:16:17.280 --> 0:16:19.800 other people besides those who are against us. As well, 0:16:19.800 --> 0:16:22.600 and then formulate good legislation for the people, which I love. 0:16:22.600 --> 0:16:24.280 Ad I'm all the best. Thanks for jumping on this morning. 0:16:24.280 --> 0:16:25.080 I really appreciate it. 0:16:26.240 --> 0:16:27.880 Hey, thanks, and I also want to throw a shout 0:16:27.880 --> 0:16:30.360 out to my joint sponsor with me on this bill, 0:16:30.400 --> 0:16:33.320 Mike Odioso from Green Township on the west side of 0:16:33.360 --> 0:16:36.480 Hamilton County. He's doing a great job with this bill. 0:16:36.560 --> 0:16:40.240 And we're going to have opponent testimony in Columbus next week, Fanny, 0:16:40.320 --> 0:16:41.400 so we'll see who shows up. 0:16:41.480 --> 0:16:43.480 Yeah, yeah, well let's follow up after that. See maybe 0:16:43.560 --> 0:16:45.080 I don't know, maybe it cause you to rethink some 0:16:45.120 --> 0:16:47.680 positions or reinforce them. So I know you, you know 0:16:47.720 --> 0:16:49.360 you want to get it right. I appreciate that about you. 0:16:49.360 --> 0:16:50.120 Thanks again, buddy. 0:16:50.160 --> 0:16:53.040 It might also cause might also cause you to rethink. 0:16:53.320 --> 0:16:55.760 Maybe I'm you know what, I I wanted to change 0:16:55.800 --> 0:16:59.040 my opinion in my mind. Absolutely, give me some evidence 0:16:59.120 --> 0:17:01.440 is to why it's so bad we need to do this, 0:17:01.560 --> 0:17:03.280 and yeah, sure I'm open my enough to do it. 0:17:03.320 --> 0:17:06.480 So it's awesome. I appreciate me. Thanks again. All Right, 0:17:06.960 --> 0:17:08.159 we gotta get a news update. I want to talk 0:17:08.200 --> 0:17:09.680 about this more after the break here and maybe you 0:17:09.680 --> 0:17:10.919 don't have a dog in the hunt with your kid, 0:17:11.040 --> 0:17:13.600 or maybe you did at one point, or you know, 0:17:13.800 --> 0:17:17.560 it's such a bularizing issue. I just I guess I 0:17:17.560 --> 0:17:19.399 got some pushback, and I'll start with this, the idea 0:17:19.440 --> 0:17:22.800 that this destroys team cohesion. Didn't have time to really 0:17:22.840 --> 0:17:25.119 pick that apart, but I will after the break, and 0:17:25.119 --> 0:17:26.879 we'll get your calls and thoughts about this. Whether you 0:17:27.320 --> 0:17:29.800 should kids and their families be allowed to make these 0:17:29.840 --> 0:17:32.639 financial decisions engage in a contract in which they're compensated 0:17:32.640 --> 0:17:34.760 for the name, image and likeness in high school sports. 0:17:35.200 --> 0:17:38.520 Simple question, but a complex issue. We'll get your calls 0:17:38.520 --> 0:17:43.720 in afternoons on seven hundred WW Welcome to it, Scott's 0:17:43.720 --> 0:17:48.000 loan here with you on seven hundred W LW just 0:17:48.080 --> 0:17:50.800 had and my thanks to Representative Adam Bird out of 0:17:50.920 --> 0:17:55.040 New Richmond, Ohio lawmaker who is co sponsoring legislation that 0:17:55.119 --> 0:17:58.840 would block kids from making money off their talent when 0:17:58.840 --> 0:18:01.040 it comes to name, image and likeness. So it's a 0:18:01.200 --> 0:18:03.440 very very small person. Well, a lot of kids play sports, 0:18:03.480 --> 0:18:06.160 but a very small percentage of those kids not only 0:18:06.160 --> 0:18:09.600 go on to college, but even a smaller population are 0:18:09.600 --> 0:18:12.080 going to wind up getting money. So this really affects 0:18:12.320 --> 0:18:14.520 very very few people not to make a big deal 0:18:14.560 --> 0:18:18.760 out of this thing. But I know the libertarian side 0:18:18.760 --> 0:18:20.760 of me is so dead set against this. 0:18:22.960 --> 0:18:23.159 You know. 0:18:23.240 --> 0:18:25.560 One of the things that was testified on the part 0:18:25.640 --> 0:18:29.480 of the coach at Saint X and also the superintendent 0:18:29.520 --> 0:18:33.359 Mason City Schools were that this, if you allow kids 0:18:33.359 --> 0:18:36.639 to take money for their namage and the likeness, that 0:18:36.720 --> 0:18:39.600 it is going to destroy team cohesion. And I just 0:18:40.240 --> 0:18:42.800 I couldn't stress more in my opinion that logic does 0:18:42.840 --> 0:18:47.400 not hold up. Doesn't team cohesion already breakdown over playing time, 0:18:47.720 --> 0:18:51.640 coaching decisions, personality conflicts. Yeah, you could go, well, pay 0:18:51.720 --> 0:18:54.240 it's just going to make it worse, okay, but you 0:18:54.880 --> 0:18:59.800 if that's the construct already, basically you're punishing someone because 0:18:59.840 --> 0:19:02.640 they have I think they were having a god given 0:19:02.680 --> 0:19:06.439 ability to dribble a basketball or throw a football. You know, 0:19:06.560 --> 0:19:08.600 if one player lands I don't know, a local car 0:19:08.680 --> 0:19:11.240 dealership deal, does that How does that really destroy the 0:19:11.280 --> 0:19:12.960 locker room more than the star player getting on the 0:19:13.000 --> 0:19:14.639 playing time or the coaches sew on or whoever it 0:19:14.680 --> 0:19:19.720 might be your favorite, which happens now. And on top 0:19:19.760 --> 0:19:21.840 of that, as I said, some players already have more. 0:19:21.920 --> 0:19:25.040 You you know, if your folks have money, you're gonna 0:19:25.080 --> 0:19:27.480 have better equipment, You're gonna have private trainers, you're gonna 0:19:27.480 --> 0:19:31.720 have showcases, you can go to Nannile doesn't create inequality 0:19:31.720 --> 0:19:35.560 in high school sports. Moms and dads do, and the 0:19:35.680 --> 0:19:42.080 nature of society does. It doesn't make inequality, It just 0:19:42.080 --> 0:19:47.080 makes it more visible, I guess. And the idea is that, well, okay, 0:19:47.119 --> 0:19:48.680 if you want to do that, just go to college. 0:19:49.119 --> 0:19:51.800 Just declare early, go to college early. All right, Well, 0:19:52.640 --> 0:19:55.320 if it's so back, college already proves as manageable. 0:19:55.320 --> 0:19:55.439 Now. 0:19:55.480 --> 0:19:57.320 Granted, there are a lot of warts. There's a lot 0:19:57.320 --> 0:19:59.920 of problems, but anytime you initiate something new and there's 0:20:00.600 --> 0:20:03.840 there's a change, there's gonna be problems with it. I'm 0:20:03.840 --> 0:20:07.040 not denying that it's if not saying it's perfect, but 0:20:07.280 --> 0:20:11.760 it proves it's manageable. College teams have massive anile disparities 0:20:11.760 --> 0:20:14.960 between players and they still win championships, they still build culture, 0:20:15.160 --> 0:20:17.680 they still develop leaders. There's still going to be walk 0:20:17.760 --> 0:20:20.920 ons that don't even get a scholarship, and yet there's 0:20:20.960 --> 0:20:25.840 guys getting paid. So yeah, you can it's being done now. 0:20:26.720 --> 0:20:29.720 I think the real cohesion killer in my opinion, and 0:20:29.760 --> 0:20:31.600 maybe if you're no you played high school sports or 0:20:31.600 --> 0:20:34.840 college sports for that matter. 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If you say, hey, 0:20:56.119 --> 0:20:58.600 you can't make money off your nameagine license and you are, 0:20:58.800 --> 0:21:01.320 let's face, at the top of the town, especially in 0:21:01.760 --> 0:21:04.760 you know, maybe smaller communities, especially because you are literally 0:21:04.800 --> 0:21:08.199 the biggest star in the city and you're sixteen seventeen 0:21:08.280 --> 0:21:12.280 years old, that's okay if you're going to look at 0:21:12.280 --> 0:21:15.000 that person and go, wow, I'm jealous, and it's unfair 0:21:15.040 --> 0:21:17.639 they get the playing time at all recognition. It's the 0:21:17.680 --> 0:21:21.680 old it's the old construct about you know, the head 0:21:21.720 --> 0:21:24.000 of the cheerleading squad and the captain of the football team. 0:21:24.080 --> 0:21:27.160 Day right, mister and missus most popular. Yeah, the doors 0:21:27.200 --> 0:21:28.920 are going to open for you're gonna get treated differently. 0:21:29.880 --> 0:21:33.159 There's parents, there's teachers, there's people, there's teammates that are 0:21:33.200 --> 0:21:34.840 going to if you're the superstar, maybe they want to 0:21:34.840 --> 0:21:36.639 hang around you that someday you go, hey, you know 0:21:36.720 --> 0:21:38.680 I used to put you know, you know Joe Burrow. Yeah, 0:21:38.680 --> 0:21:40.280 I played with him in high school. He's on my team. 0:21:40.320 --> 0:21:43.720 Oh cool, Well, kids want to be around that, and 0:21:43.800 --> 0:21:46.280 I guess too. The flip side of this is a 0:21:46.400 --> 0:21:49.960 kid who lands in nil deal becomes more invested and 0:21:50.000 --> 0:21:52.879 more visible and more accountable for a public brand. And 0:21:52.960 --> 0:21:54.879 I think that can strengthen commitment to a team, not 0:21:54.920 --> 0:21:57.600 weaken it. Like you can get stuff done if you 0:21:57.640 --> 0:21:59.600 have that kind of juice, which is good for all 0:21:59.600 --> 0:22:03.359 your team mates. I think, really what we have here, 0:22:03.440 --> 0:22:07.679 and once again it's the hierarchical society. You know, the 0:22:07.680 --> 0:22:09.840 cohesion argument is going to stroy a team collesion. To me, 0:22:09.880 --> 0:22:14.040 it's really about control. So who loses control when athletes 0:22:14.080 --> 0:22:18.679 gain economic agency when they have agency? Well, the schools do, 0:22:18.800 --> 0:22:21.960 the system does, the coaches do, And you know, we 0:22:21.960 --> 0:22:26.679 don't like that. But the idea that it destroys team cohesion, 0:22:26.760 --> 0:22:29.679 I just I don't buy that and you know, all 0:22:29.760 --> 0:22:31.960 due respect to those who testify because they are professionals 0:22:32.000 --> 0:22:36.080 in the field. But tell me I'm wrong. It's it's 0:22:36.200 --> 0:22:40.200 about control. It's not about trying to protect team integrity. 0:22:40.200 --> 0:22:42.320 My god. You know it's a high school volleyball team 0:22:42.440 --> 0:22:44.399 or you know football, and you know we live or 0:22:44.440 --> 0:22:48.240 die by sports. Sure, but that's that's something that we created. 0:22:48.400 --> 0:22:51.920 Is consumers. That's not the case. If the kid can 0:22:51.960 --> 0:22:54.439 profit from that, they should profit from it because we 0:22:54.520 --> 0:22:56.800 created the whole environment the allowed that to happen. It's 0:22:56.840 --> 0:22:59.520 funny because the schools are going to put you know, 0:23:00.080 --> 0:23:02.119 Mason High School. My kids went there, and you know, 0:23:02.160 --> 0:23:04.800 you've got fireworks, you've got home and away uniforms. It's 0:23:04.800 --> 0:23:08.080 a big deal because it's a big school. But you're 0:23:08.119 --> 0:23:11.399 the ones who created that environment where it's ultra competitive 0:23:11.480 --> 0:23:13.520 and you know you want to be perfect and win 0:23:13.560 --> 0:23:16.880 all your games and okay, well this is just an 0:23:16.920 --> 0:23:18.840 extension of what it is you want in the first place. 0:23:19.200 --> 0:23:21.600 It gives you out if you can hang I guarantee. 0:23:21.600 --> 0:23:23.840 You know, you drive by high school and they've got 0:23:23.880 --> 0:23:27.120 the banners of the senior baseball players up, basketball players football, 0:23:27.160 --> 0:23:31.520 right like if if Joe Burrow went to your high school. 0:23:31.560 --> 0:23:35.520 If Lebron Lebron James High School an accurate I guarantee 0:23:35.520 --> 0:23:37.480 you they've got all sorts of things saying, hey, Lebron 0:23:37.520 --> 0:23:39.840 went to school here. Isn't that exploiting the name image 0:23:39.880 --> 0:23:41.560 of the likeness of the same person you want to 0:23:41.560 --> 0:23:44.560 prevent from exploiting their image and likeness. It's it's it's 0:23:44.600 --> 0:23:47.200 a laughable argument. In Centerville, Denny first up on the 0:23:47.200 --> 0:23:48.920 show on seven hundred w W high been. 0:23:50.359 --> 0:23:51.200 That's going this morning? 0:23:51.320 --> 0:23:51.760 What's up? 0:23:53.240 --> 0:23:58.280 Well on the nil for high school? I think you 0:23:58.320 --> 0:24:00.840 have to look at what it's done in the college level, 0:24:01.880 --> 0:24:06.679 especially football. You know, every Saturday afternoon when you're watching 0:24:06.680 --> 0:24:11.880 the game, you hear about, well, this quarterback here this year, 0:24:11.920 --> 0:24:13.960 but last year he was at this college the year 0:24:14.000 --> 0:24:17.440 before that year college. So that's that's the that's the 0:24:17.480 --> 0:24:21.960 part of problem is college it's tough I think for 0:24:21.960 --> 0:24:24.240 for coaches. I think it's tough for everybody. 0:24:25.040 --> 0:24:25.560 Uh N. 0:24:25.560 --> 0:24:25.919 I l. 0:24:28.160 --> 0:24:30.800 Comes down to the fact when you put that in 0:24:31.080 --> 0:24:36.240 kids Weston is not at the school, But how much 0:24:36.320 --> 0:24:39.119 money can I make and how much time do I 0:24:39.160 --> 0:24:43.200 get to play? And then the other problem is going 0:24:43.280 --> 0:24:46.240 from one school to the other, which somebody brought up 0:24:46.280 --> 0:24:50.520 about the kid in date Wayne High School that started. 0:24:50.080 --> 0:24:51.120 This with suit. 0:24:51.240 --> 0:24:55.200 Yeah, right, Well, now he. 0:24:56.520 --> 0:25:00.359 Is going up to Big Walnut, which is North US 0:25:01.440 --> 0:25:04.600 And the reason he's going there is he's one hundred 0:25:04.680 --> 0:25:07.280 miles away from Wayne, so he does not have to 0:25:07.359 --> 0:25:11.840 sit out the last half of the season and not 0:25:12.000 --> 0:25:16.680 participate in postseason games because he's that far away, right, 0:25:16.720 --> 0:25:19.800 And now they're just more money. Now you can take 0:25:19.840 --> 0:25:22.720 that locally. Let's say you've got a kid who's a 0:25:22.760 --> 0:25:27.600 great linebacker at Caft High School, great linebacker, he's a freshman, 0:25:28.280 --> 0:25:29.520 and you've got you people. 0:25:29.280 --> 0:25:30.960 With money at Edwin Hills, yep. 0:25:31.960 --> 0:25:35.359 And they approach that family and say, look, why don't 0:25:35.400 --> 0:25:37.760 you come out here. We'll put you up in an apartment. 0:25:38.520 --> 0:25:42.320 We'll pay you big bucks right there, yep. 0:25:42.640 --> 0:25:46.439 And that's just and it's going on right now. I mean, 0:25:46.440 --> 0:25:48.320 that's been going on for a long time. That happens 0:25:48.320 --> 0:25:50.959 here in Cincinnati, it happens in Dayton, it happens all 0:25:50.960 --> 0:25:52.919 over the country. It's happening right now. 0:25:54.160 --> 0:25:59.960 But when but when that is, when that is discovered, 0:26:00.520 --> 0:26:01.880 then there's penalties to pay. 0:26:03.480 --> 0:26:05.400 Yeah, but you know what they don't. Here's the thing. 0:26:05.440 --> 0:26:07.840 You could find that at all these PURTI you could 0:26:07.840 --> 0:26:11.160 find that. But my question is, I right, well, how 0:26:11.200 --> 0:26:12.879 hard are you looking? I don't think they're looking that 0:26:12.960 --> 0:26:15.919 hard any because it upsets the system. They haven't played. 0:26:17.560 --> 0:26:21.280 Oh Ohio High School is a skeletal crew up there. 0:26:21.400 --> 0:26:22.720 I mean, they don't. 0:26:23.040 --> 0:26:25.240 Why do you think that is? They don't. They don't 0:26:25.240 --> 0:26:27.040 when I'm looking at the rocks. They don't want to. 0:26:27.200 --> 0:26:28.920 You know, you've got your member schools. You don't want to. 0:26:29.080 --> 0:26:30.640 You don't want to piss people off. I mean, these 0:26:30.680 --> 0:26:33.280 are you know, the parents and the boosters are what 0:26:33.320 --> 0:26:34.080 we're talking about here. 0:26:35.240 --> 0:26:37.439 And they don't have money. And you talk about school 0:26:37.520 --> 0:26:42.920 systems making money. Yeah on a football player. I mean 0:26:43.000 --> 0:26:45.320 you figure what it costs to come into a high 0:26:45.320 --> 0:26:51.760 school football game. Eight eight dollars. There's not a lot 0:26:51.760 --> 0:26:56.080 of there's not a lot of revenue there for that school. No. 0:26:56.160 --> 0:26:57.879 But but but you know what, I think there's an 0:26:57.880 --> 0:27:00.439 element of prestige they benefit from because is if you 0:27:00.680 --> 0:27:03.359 have a first round draft pick, that kid's banner is 0:27:03.359 --> 0:27:04.760 going to be They're going to use that all over 0:27:04.800 --> 0:27:06.960 the place for marketing. It's you know, maybe they're not. 0:27:07.200 --> 0:27:09.400 You're going, well, how are they profiting from it? Yeah, 0:27:09.400 --> 0:27:11.480 but it's again you're using their name injus and likeness. 0:27:11.560 --> 0:27:13.560 You're benefiting from it and they're not. That's I think, 0:27:13.680 --> 0:27:15.520 ultimately what I have the problem with. Hey takes the call. 0:27:15.560 --> 0:27:17.840 Tony opens up a line at five one, three, seven, four, nine, seven, 0:27:18.440 --> 0:27:19.400 eight hundred, the big one. 0:27:21.080 --> 0:27:21.280 You know. 0:27:21.320 --> 0:27:24.159 Here's the other thing is okay, well just go college. 0:27:24.160 --> 0:27:26.720 You'll look at the call, you know, I mean, what 0:27:26.800 --> 0:27:29.760 under minds the whole argument is, and this is because 0:27:29.800 --> 0:27:36.560 of me and you just the money's flowing. The NCAA 0:27:36.640 --> 0:27:41.040 and member schools. They generate in excess of nineteen billion 0:27:41.200 --> 0:27:44.439 dollars a year in total affect or revenue. And this 0:27:44.560 --> 0:27:47.000 is across all all divisions. And of course, you know, 0:27:47.040 --> 0:27:50.359 the power five control a majority of that. You know, 0:27:50.359 --> 0:27:52.359 Ohio State is like two hundred and fifty million in 0:27:53.359 --> 0:27:56.280 revenue from you know, the gaming right, the whole thing 0:27:57.080 --> 0:28:00.240 that that's that's an incredible amount of money. And you know, okay, 0:28:00.280 --> 0:28:01.560 is that a lot less than high school? 0:28:01.600 --> 0:28:01.840 Sure? 0:28:01.840 --> 0:28:05.440 It is, absolutely it is. But we used to talk 0:28:05.440 --> 0:28:07.920 about college athletics. Oh my gosh, it's the last chance 0:28:07.960 --> 0:28:10.560 to be an amateur, and there wasn't. I mean, schools 0:28:10.560 --> 0:28:13.760 are making huge money off these guys and girls and 0:28:14.080 --> 0:28:16.479 none of what's coming back down. I mean, legitimately, it's 0:28:16.520 --> 0:28:18.600 an issue of fairness, Like, wait a minute, I'm making 0:28:18.640 --> 0:28:21.040 you all this money, and I think you should also 0:28:21.119 --> 0:28:24.639 factor in that college degree as well, that you're getting 0:28:24.760 --> 0:28:27.560 education that should go towards your salary, so to speak, 0:28:27.560 --> 0:28:30.679 with money you're making. But you know, tell me I 0:28:30.680 --> 0:28:33.320 can't sell a jersey. I can't, I can't. You know, Hey, 0:28:34.800 --> 0:28:37.480 it's the Ohio State that was so silly. You know 0:28:37.520 --> 0:28:39.000 I won a bowl game. I always told my jersey. 0:28:39.040 --> 0:28:41.720 I'm in trouble for that. Wait, wait, what you're making 0:28:41.760 --> 0:28:44.320 like nineteen billion dollars. Ohio State's making two hundred and 0:28:44.320 --> 0:28:48.920 fifty million dollars. They're paving the athletic facilites of gold 0:28:48.960 --> 0:28:52.280 bricks for crying out loud, and you're telling me, the 0:28:52.320 --> 0:28:54.800 guy who got them there, that you can't get anything. 0:28:54.880 --> 0:28:57.240 It's just so silly. Well, no, you're an amateur. Yeah, 0:28:57.240 --> 0:28:59.000 you're an age. They want you to be an amateur 0:28:59.080 --> 0:29:01.200 so they can keep all the money. Money. It's just 0:29:02.000 --> 0:29:04.720 it makes no sense and natural. This is gonna translate 0:29:04.760 --> 0:29:07.800 down to high school. Now, you know we're talking about 0:29:07.800 --> 0:29:10.320 this and it just it affects such a small percentage 0:29:10.360 --> 0:29:13.120 of kids, you know, your typical student athlete. What are 0:29:13.120 --> 0:29:16.520 you gonna get? You know, in rural Ohio, the local 0:29:16.560 --> 0:29:19.600 whippy dip is gonna we'll give you unlimited whippy, We'll 0:29:19.600 --> 0:29:23.840 give you unlimited softies and you when you need some smoothie. Okay, fine, yeah, 0:29:23.920 --> 0:29:25.880 we'll do that. That's you know you're gonna get. You 0:29:25.920 --> 0:29:27.800 make it a little. Maybe it's a local car dealership. 0:29:27.800 --> 0:29:29.960 You're gonna give you, what, five hundred bucks a month 0:29:30.040 --> 0:29:34.480 maybe something like that. Any agent gets twenty percent of that, Okay? 0:29:34.800 --> 0:29:36.840 Is that life changing money? No, it's pocket money, is 0:29:36.880 --> 0:29:40.800 what it is. Why, well, who's that hurting? It's destroying 0:29:40.840 --> 0:29:42.880 the fabric of the team. Oh my god, God, the 0:29:42.960 --> 0:29:45.520 pearl clutching with this is just it's too much. It's 0:29:45.560 --> 0:29:48.640 simply too much. You know, we got March Madness coming up, 0:29:50.240 --> 0:29:52.520 and the TV deal with them is what over a 0:29:52.600 --> 0:29:57.200 billion a billion dollars a year. I mean, that's that's insane. 0:29:59.160 --> 0:30:01.160 And you're telling me can't have a percentage of that? 0:30:01.240 --> 0:30:01.360 Now? 0:30:01.520 --> 0:30:03.080 Is it a lot less or high school? Sure? What 0:30:03.160 --> 0:30:04.800 are You're streaming some things and maybe some of the 0:30:04.840 --> 0:30:07.760 bigger schools get on cable or access or you know, 0:30:07.920 --> 0:30:11.120 maybe that will be monetized in the future. But you know, 0:30:11.160 --> 0:30:13.440 if my kid had a god given ability through work 0:30:13.560 --> 0:30:18.120 or otherwise and they're going to wind out if they 0:30:18.160 --> 0:30:19.640 can get money for that, it's you know, it's a 0:30:19.680 --> 0:30:22.960 free market. It's Republicans so specially we talk about the 0:30:23.160 --> 0:30:26.680 free market, the free market. Well, this is a free market, like, yeah, 0:30:26.720 --> 0:30:27.720 but it's going to ruin things. 0:30:27.760 --> 0:30:28.040 Who is it? 0:30:28.120 --> 0:30:30.720 What's it ruining exactly? It just I don't know. It 0:30:30.760 --> 0:30:34.120 feels like it is a it feels like it's in 0:30:34.200 --> 0:30:36.640 solution in search of a problem when you look at 0:30:36.680 --> 0:30:38.960 the great impact of this whole thing at five point 0:30:38.960 --> 0:30:41.400 three seven four nine, seven thousand. Let me roll with 0:30:41.720 --> 0:30:43.720 Alex and Mason next on the Scotsland Show. 0:30:43.720 --> 0:30:47.480 Alex, what's up, good morning, Scott, thanks for taking my call. 0:30:47.680 --> 0:30:47.880 Yeah. 0:30:49.360 --> 0:30:52.000 I think is you know, it's a unique and. 0:30:52.480 --> 0:30:56.120 A great situation when a keyid can allow and have 0:30:56.200 --> 0:31:00.280 the opportunity to allow himself and his stamming to have 0:31:00.400 --> 0:31:05.960 an opportunity for a better school, better situation, and it's 0:31:06.040 --> 0:31:07.800 just like you know what I'm saying in the NCAA's 0:31:08.200 --> 0:31:09.920 they want to go out to the they want to 0:31:10.000 --> 0:31:13.000 target the kids for making all this money. But nobody 0:31:13.040 --> 0:31:16.840 want to say anything about these conferences. Who are are 0:31:17.000 --> 0:31:21.520 going taking these these schools out of them, out of 0:31:21.640 --> 0:31:26.800 alignments and making these power conferences and create these huge 0:31:26.920 --> 0:31:30.080 TV rights and these huge TV deals and so forth, 0:31:30.720 --> 0:31:32.720 making billions and. 0:31:33.000 --> 0:31:37.400 Nobody talking about that. But like you said, you know 0:31:37.440 --> 0:31:40.000 what I'm saying, we created it, We created all this. 0:31:40.880 --> 0:31:42.880 And these schools, you know what I'm saying, they get 0:31:42.920 --> 0:31:47.520 together and create these these powerfiul conferences. They pull Big 0:31:47.640 --> 0:31:50.520 twelve schools and put them in their se sue, put 0:31:50.560 --> 0:31:53.200 them in the in the in the uh big ten 0:31:54.040 --> 0:31:56.959 and create these power conferences for what So they can 0:31:57.040 --> 0:31:57.960 generate more. 0:31:57.840 --> 0:32:01.480 Money and more well, and the thing they want to 0:32:01.520 --> 0:32:03.680 protect the money and you know, for high schools and 0:32:03.800 --> 0:32:06.760 the money thing's interesting and I think it's in particular 0:32:06.800 --> 0:32:10.800 where we talk about this is just with athletes. But okay, 0:32:10.840 --> 0:32:12.640 I don't know. Maybe you're in a high school band, 0:32:12.960 --> 0:32:16.120 right and you're really really really good, and like you've 0:32:16.120 --> 0:32:19.560 got a recording contract, or somebody's a YouTube or Instagram 0:32:19.680 --> 0:32:23.920 or TikTok influencer and they're making incredible money. Should schools 0:32:24.000 --> 0:32:26.960 kick them out of I don't know, business class or 0:32:27.120 --> 0:32:30.640 music class because they're professionals and especially you know he 0:32:30.720 --> 0:32:33.480 mentioned the Olympics. Hell, look a look at the hockey team. 0:32:33.480 --> 0:32:36.960 They're professionals. Already. We were allowing professionals to play in 0:32:37.040 --> 0:32:39.120 the Olympics, and it makes it gets more eyes on 0:32:39.160 --> 0:32:40.280 the Olympics. What's wrong with that? 0:32:41.280 --> 0:32:44.960 Scott is Also you look at sports like baseball and 0:32:45.200 --> 0:32:46.040 tennis and golf. 0:32:46.520 --> 0:32:47.600 These high school. 0:32:47.400 --> 0:32:49.960 Kids are good enough now that they can play in 0:32:50.640 --> 0:32:53.800 they can get endorsements, and they do get endorsements, right, 0:32:54.080 --> 0:32:58.840 and they get pro contracts and some get get drafted, 0:32:59.480 --> 0:33:01.480 but they don't who the eligibility. 0:33:01.680 --> 0:33:04.920 Yeah, it makes it makes absolutely no Like look at 0:33:05.000 --> 0:33:07.120 Charlie Woods. I'm not quite sure where Charlie Woods goes. 0:33:07.160 --> 0:33:09.520 Tiger Woods son and great golfer and all that, but like, 0:33:09.800 --> 0:33:12.600 you know, he's at high school, probably a private high school. 0:33:12.600 --> 0:33:14.960 But like, how many people are interested in that school? 0:33:15.000 --> 0:33:16.920 Are sending their kid to school there because well that's 0:33:16.960 --> 0:33:19.080 where Charlie Woods went and they've got a great golf program. 0:33:19.160 --> 0:33:21.320 Maybe they do, Maybe they aren't no, but it's going 0:33:21.360 --> 0:33:24.280 to be a lure for them, isn't it correct? 0:33:24.320 --> 0:33:25.640 They use it as advertising. 0:33:25.760 --> 0:33:29.240 Yeah, you know, yeah, you know, maybe we transferred to 0:33:29.320 --> 0:33:31.040 the district to be able to do that. Hey, Alex, 0:33:31.080 --> 0:33:32.960 thanks for the call. I appreciated A five one three, seven, 0:33:33.000 --> 0:33:36.360 four nine, seven thousand. Over to Alisa in Westchester. Next 0:33:36.400 --> 0:33:40.280 on the show, Good morning, Good morning, what's up? What 0:33:40.360 --> 0:33:40.680 do you got? 0:33:40.800 --> 0:33:43.280 So there's so many different layers. There's so many different 0:33:43.360 --> 0:33:46.160 layers to this money that's being dispersed. Number one, these 0:33:46.240 --> 0:33:48.640 kids are going to school, probably for free. 0:33:50.120 --> 0:33:50.720 And in my. 0:33:50.840 --> 0:33:53.680 Opinion, you know, based on some of the interviews that 0:33:53.800 --> 0:33:57.440 these athletes are doing, you know, whether they're in college 0:33:57.520 --> 0:34:00.600 or whether they're pro they can't even conduct a conversation. 0:34:00.800 --> 0:34:04.920 They can't have a an educated conversation. So are they 0:34:05.000 --> 0:34:08.360 being pushed through the system that they're getting free education 0:34:08.600 --> 0:34:10.600 for now we're going to give them money. 0:34:10.400 --> 0:34:11.120 On top of that. 0:34:11.600 --> 0:34:13.480 But hey, guess what, the guy who's just going to 0:34:13.560 --> 0:34:15.800 that college because he wants to go to that college 0:34:16.200 --> 0:34:18.920 has to pay a lot more money because he's got 0:34:19.000 --> 0:34:21.120 to pay for these other people and you know, use 0:34:21.160 --> 0:34:22.280 the money for the college. 0:34:23.000 --> 0:34:24.759 Well, they kind of I mean again, this is more 0:34:24.800 --> 0:34:26.400 of a This is more of a you know, the 0:34:26.480 --> 0:34:29.240 Power five conference where they were, you know, Ohio statementson 0:34:29.280 --> 0:34:31.239 makes like a quarter million, that's all. That's a lot 0:34:31.320 --> 0:34:33.960 of money, right, Yeah, I mean I hear what you're saying. 0:34:33.960 --> 0:34:35.520 But it's kind of always been that way that an 0:34:35.560 --> 0:34:37.680 athlete will come in and get a scholarship. But that, again, 0:34:37.760 --> 0:34:40.239 isn't that compensation. It used to be that was the compensation, 0:34:40.320 --> 0:34:42.480 and now they're like, well, when you're maybe that used 0:34:42.480 --> 0:34:44.360 to be, but now you're talking about tens of billions 0:34:44.400 --> 0:34:46.560 of dollars in TV revenue. We want a piece of that. 0:34:46.719 --> 0:34:49.319 And that's the disparity we're talking about. So, yeah, you're 0:34:49.360 --> 0:34:52.560 compensated by getting a degree, but okay, we've allowed that 0:34:52.640 --> 0:34:56.520 to happen since long before we were here. Lisa, did 0:34:56.600 --> 0:34:59.400 that screw up the relationship between student and student athletes 0:34:59.400 --> 0:35:01.520 and some kids out scholarship since Sun didn't. I mean, 0:35:01.800 --> 0:35:03.560 we're splitting the hairs here, I think is the issue. 0:35:03.560 --> 0:35:04.759 I got to go, Hey, thanks to the call. I 0:35:04.800 --> 0:35:06.480 appreciate I got to get a news update, and when 0:35:06.520 --> 0:35:08.840 we return to the show, we'll switch it up. Scott 0:35:08.920 --> 0:35:11.359 Stein is here. You know, smart classes they've been around 0:35:11.400 --> 0:35:13.080 for a while. They kind of like, we're hot for 0:35:13.120 --> 0:35:15.920 a minute. Google Glass that came out, and now they're 0:35:15.960 --> 0:35:18.359 really getting some traction now and as we talk about 0:35:18.400 --> 0:35:23.080 AI and the integration of technology to our bodies, the 0:35:23.160 --> 0:35:25.439 glasses thing is really starting to take off. There's seemed 0:35:25.440 --> 0:35:27.520 some big numbers of this. And you know, we also thought, oh, 0:35:27.560 --> 0:35:28.680 that's going to be the future. You don't have a 0:35:28.760 --> 0:35:32.080 phone anymore now you've got the glasses. I'm not saying 0:35:32.080 --> 0:35:36.640 that's happening right now, but this this, whatever we did 0:35:36.719 --> 0:35:38.360 this time around, I think we're more accepting of it 0:35:38.440 --> 0:35:39.920 when it came to that. So anyway, we'll talk to 0:35:40.080 --> 0:35:42.200 Scott sign from CNET about this coming up. What you 0:35:42.280 --> 0:35:44.120 needed about the smart class is really that the future? 0:35:44.200 --> 0:35:46.600 Do you need them? I love tech stuff and hopefully 0:35:46.640 --> 0:35:47.960 you do too. We'll do that next on the show 0:35:48.000 --> 0:35:50.440 on seven hundred Since then, do you want to be. 0:35:50.520 --> 0:35:52.759 An American idiot? Why? 0:35:52.800 --> 0:35:54.600 I'm Scott Film Thanks to check on my show here 0:35:54.640 --> 0:35:57.640 on seven hundred WW and available right afterwards on the 0:35:57.719 --> 0:35:59.840 podcast or the iHeartRadio app. And of course you can 0:36:00.080 --> 0:36:03.520 dream there take us with you wherever you go. Arguably 0:36:03.600 --> 0:36:07.200 one of the biggest trends in tech smart glasses. You know, 0:36:07.320 --> 0:36:09.600 we talk a lot about AI, but those two things 0:36:09.680 --> 0:36:12.160 are intertwined, and they tried it years and years ago. 0:36:12.239 --> 0:36:14.959 Google Glass didn't really take off, and now it really 0:36:15.120 --> 0:36:18.680 is starting to. And you think about just having those 0:36:18.719 --> 0:36:21.320 things on your face and what it allows you to 0:36:21.440 --> 0:36:23.720 do to see, to record of course, you know videos, 0:36:24.120 --> 0:36:28.279 big deal, but also you know navigation for example, and 0:36:28.600 --> 0:36:32.239 identifying things along the street. It's an extension. It's going 0:36:32.280 --> 0:36:34.360 to extension of your brain, but it's also going to 0:36:34.400 --> 0:36:37.160 be a huge extension in AI, and it's really headed 0:36:37.200 --> 0:36:39.200 this way. Joining the show this morning on seven hundred 0:36:39.600 --> 0:36:43.360 WLW scott Stein, our friends from CNET in scott Stein. Welcome, 0:36:43.400 --> 0:36:46.600 how you been. I'm doing well. You know, years and 0:36:46.680 --> 0:36:48.520 years ago they came out of Google Glass, right, they 0:36:48.560 --> 0:36:49.960 came out and like, oh man, this is going to 0:36:49.960 --> 0:36:52.319 be a game changer, and then it kind of faded away, 0:36:53.360 --> 0:36:55.359 and now all of a sudden it's back like Gangbusters? 0:36:55.400 --> 0:36:57.640 What what what happened in the last few years? 0:36:59.000 --> 0:37:02.200 I know following it since then. I reviewed Google Glass 0:37:02.280 --> 0:37:04.560 way back, so I've been following the ups and downs, 0:37:04.880 --> 0:37:07.560 and a lot of times it's like VR headsets too. 0:37:07.680 --> 0:37:10.160 These things kind of have cycles where they become trendy 0:37:10.239 --> 0:37:13.000 and then and then drop out. So in the past 0:37:13.040 --> 0:37:16.279 three years, the big thing, as everyone heard endlessly is 0:37:16.400 --> 0:37:19.520 AI and the hype around that, and also some of 0:37:19.560 --> 0:37:23.279 the possibilities are driving what's happening in these classes now. 0:37:23.440 --> 0:37:28.160 That's where the big players like Google and Meta are focused. 0:37:28.239 --> 0:37:30.640 So that's kind of the why of it. But what's 0:37:30.719 --> 0:37:34.400 interesting is that there are capabilities that are now becoming, 0:37:34.520 --> 0:37:38.080 like you said, really possible. When when I were Google 0:37:38.400 --> 0:37:40.839 was over a decade ago, people thought I was doing 0:37:40.880 --> 0:37:42.680 those things and it couldn't actually do them. 0:37:43.160 --> 0:37:45.759 Yeah, And there's a distinction, of course between the AR 0:37:45.800 --> 0:37:49.280 and vr ee wear and smart classes and the difference 0:37:49.280 --> 0:37:52.000 of course being ars mars of the headset that you 0:37:52.040 --> 0:37:54.120 don't see, you know, it's a virtual world you're looking 0:37:54.160 --> 0:37:56.200 at as opposed to a pair of glasses with help 0:37:56.560 --> 0:37:59.280 you know, like the rate of the any of the products. 0:37:59.320 --> 0:38:02.279 Now you can get a prescription for these things and 0:38:02.640 --> 0:38:04.400 it's a regular set of glasses, and so that's the 0:38:04.400 --> 0:38:06.840 difference between the two. Do you see those things merging 0:38:06.880 --> 0:38:08.719 in the future as that can be set that on the. 0:38:08.680 --> 0:38:12.520 Horizon, that's totally the goal for companies, you know, and 0:38:12.640 --> 0:38:14.600 that's been true for a long time. If you remember 0:38:14.680 --> 0:38:17.759 the company Magic Leap people were trying to come up 0:38:17.800 --> 0:38:20.239 and Microsoft's HoloLens, they were trying to come up with 0:38:20.320 --> 0:38:23.160 these ideas of having these holograms in the world, like 0:38:23.239 --> 0:38:27.920 Star Wars people refer to Tony Stark's glasses. You can 0:38:27.960 --> 0:38:29.840 see it. They're not able to get there, still not 0:38:29.920 --> 0:38:32.120 able to get there yet, because it's a really tough obstacle. 0:38:32.320 --> 0:38:35.320 But there are some glasses that are plugged in that 0:38:35.400 --> 0:38:37.600 are getting really close to that. There's one that I 0:38:37.640 --> 0:38:40.520 looked at coming next year made by Google and a 0:38:40.600 --> 0:38:43.400 company called x Reel, called Project Aura. They're going to 0:38:43.520 --> 0:38:46.440 change the name next year, I'm sure, but it basically 0:38:46.560 --> 0:38:49.800 is like a little portable VR mixed reality headset. Their glasses. 0:38:50.200 --> 0:38:52.400 You put them on and you can see apps floating 0:38:52.400 --> 0:38:54.799 all around you and three D things and use your 0:38:54.880 --> 0:38:59.320 hands to control it. And that's a tethered thing that 0:38:59.360 --> 0:39:02.000 you don't wear all all the time. Right's portable. But 0:39:02.160 --> 0:39:03.920 but in the meantime, there's a lot of companies that 0:39:04.000 --> 0:39:06.080 are making wireless ones that kind of are like smart 0:39:06.120 --> 0:39:08.200 watches for your face. So some of them are already 0:39:08.200 --> 0:39:10.120 out there. Meta has a ton of them with ray 0:39:10.200 --> 0:39:14.040 bans that have really good audio and they take pictures, 0:39:14.080 --> 0:39:16.600 so they're basically and they have some AI that recognizes 0:39:16.640 --> 0:39:18.920 the photos and the audio. Then they have one with 0:39:18.960 --> 0:39:22.160 the display in it. The display doesn't show all that much. 0:39:22.239 --> 0:39:24.960 It's more like flat apps that you bring up, which 0:39:25.000 --> 0:39:27.759 I find a little anno, I think. But Googles next 0:39:27.880 --> 0:39:31.200 year are going to work with more apps on your 0:39:31.280 --> 0:39:35.200 phone and with more like to have more recognized like 0:39:35.239 --> 0:39:37.880 the way that you have Theory or or Gemini. And 0:39:38.640 --> 0:39:41.040 you know you're used to earbudds and your watch knowing 0:39:41.080 --> 0:39:43.960 what's on your phone. Glasses can't really do that yet easily, 0:39:44.440 --> 0:39:45.360 but they're going to start to. 0:39:45.680 --> 0:39:49.160 Yeah, it's crazy where it's going. So let's talk about 0:39:49.160 --> 0:39:52.680 that because you've tried and tested them all. Uh what 0:39:52.920 --> 0:39:56.000 what as far as the screen itself goes? What kind 0:39:56.040 --> 0:39:58.160 of displays are we starting to see what technology thinks 0:39:58.200 --> 0:39:59.239 could become the standard here? 0:40:00.520 --> 0:40:00.719 Yeah? 0:40:00.800 --> 0:40:03.239 Well, on the one that splug in, like the XC 0:40:03.239 --> 0:40:05.600 Real and Future. A couple of these companies you may 0:40:05.640 --> 0:40:08.320 not have heard of or making them. They have micro 0:40:08.480 --> 0:40:10.880 o led displays, which are the types of displays that 0:40:10.920 --> 0:40:13.200 are also in the Apple Vision Pro and the Samsung 0:40:13.560 --> 0:40:16.840 Galaxy XDAR that came out. They're really good quality displays, 0:40:16.880 --> 0:40:19.399 and they look like you're looking at a big TV. 0:40:19.640 --> 0:40:22.160 That is, it could be could look higher quality than 0:40:22.200 --> 0:40:23.839 a TV you have in your home, or at least 0:40:23.920 --> 0:40:27.440 is good on the on the glasses themselves. A lot 0:40:27.520 --> 0:40:30.040 of them use a variety of technologies. Some of them 0:40:30.120 --> 0:40:32.600 have a kind of a ghosty rainbow e look, some 0:40:32.800 --> 0:40:35.680 of them are monochrome. Some of the meta rate end 0:40:35.680 --> 0:40:40.439 displays actually look really crisp and colorful, but only one eye, 0:40:40.960 --> 0:40:46.000 and that technology is going to start appearing more. Google 0:40:46.120 --> 0:40:48.200 is going to have something like it in one eye, 0:40:48.280 --> 0:40:50.280 and then eventually the goal is to get the two eyes. 0:40:50.760 --> 0:40:53.520 So the problem is your battery life and other stuff 0:40:53.560 --> 0:40:56.080 and what your phone can deliver. It won't be all 0:40:56.120 --> 0:40:57.840 the things you can think like. It's not meant for 0:40:57.960 --> 0:41:02.120 watching movies. It's not meant for doing anything three D yet. 0:41:02.480 --> 0:41:06.040 It's more forgetting like directions and stuff, which can be 0:41:06.160 --> 0:41:08.440 really useful and for people I know who have had 0:41:08.480 --> 0:41:12.440 assistive challenges. A couple of friends I've heard of already 0:41:13.760 --> 0:41:17.880 use this for vision assistance, and there are already FDA 0:41:18.000 --> 0:41:21.440 clear glasses that work for hearing assistances. So I think 0:41:21.440 --> 0:41:24.120 there's going to be a big assistive push with these glasses, 0:41:24.280 --> 0:41:26.800 but it needs to be vetted out. A lot of 0:41:26.840 --> 0:41:29.799 the visually assistive stuff that Meta does and Google's going 0:41:29.840 --> 0:41:34.240 to do. You know, it's hit and miss because AI there's. 0:41:34.040 --> 0:41:36.280 A lot of things about what's going on in your world. 0:41:36.120 --> 0:41:37.839 But it's also guessing a heck of a lot. 0:41:38.800 --> 0:41:40.919 Scott Stein is here. He is the edit at largest Scenet. 0:41:40.960 --> 0:41:43.239 We're talking about smart classes, which is the that's the 0:41:43.280 --> 0:41:45.239 big hottest product right now. As a matter of fact, 0:41:45.280 --> 0:41:48.560 from you know, probably in the last couple of years 0:41:48.560 --> 0:41:50.440 we've said it. It started, it ebbed off and it 0:41:50.520 --> 0:41:53.759 started to come on like gangbusters, especially now because you're 0:41:53.760 --> 0:41:56.040 starting to see at some point in the future AR 0:41:56.120 --> 0:41:58.239 and V are merged with smart glasses, which would be 0:41:58.239 --> 0:42:01.120 an incredible combination. There's on the issue of battery life 0:42:01.120 --> 0:42:03.839 because obviously the more aid and more computing power you have, Scott, 0:42:04.080 --> 0:42:05.719 the more drand on a battery it's going to be. 0:42:07.239 --> 0:42:08.480 Is that one of the big barriers here? 0:42:09.680 --> 0:42:11.680 Yeah, it's one of the big, big down sides of 0:42:11.719 --> 0:42:14.239 the pond because I was. I was talking about this 0:42:14.480 --> 0:42:18.120 with with one of the chip maker's arm the other day, 0:42:18.400 --> 0:42:20.279 who makes a lot of the chips for these. And 0:42:20.840 --> 0:42:23.800 you know, with smart watches, you want it to be 0:42:23.840 --> 0:42:25.200 you want to be able to sleep with it maybe 0:42:25.360 --> 0:42:27.719 and have it last for days. With glasses, you're going 0:42:27.760 --> 0:42:29.200 to go to bed, take off your glasses, but you 0:42:29.280 --> 0:42:31.279 want it to last a full day. A lot of 0:42:31.320 --> 0:42:33.920 these glasses do not last a full day. And that 0:42:34.120 --> 0:42:36.640 is even though the battery life got better, you're gonna 0:42:36.640 --> 0:42:38.359 have to recharge it at some point if you're using 0:42:38.360 --> 0:42:39.759 it through the day, and then what are you doing. 0:42:39.800 --> 0:42:41.800 You're taking out your glasses, which is what you have 0:42:41.880 --> 0:42:45.080 to do right now, and charge them in a charge case, 0:42:45.560 --> 0:42:48.840 which you know it could be ridiculous for people. So 0:42:49.719 --> 0:42:52.439 I think getting over that hurdle is huge. The other 0:42:52.600 --> 0:42:56.960 part is prescriptions, something you wouldn't think about, but they 0:42:57.040 --> 0:42:59.960 haven't figured out how to honor all prescriptions with these glasses. 0:43:00.360 --> 0:43:03.080 If you shop the metas ray bans, they only go 0:43:03.200 --> 0:43:05.520 up to a certain prescription to the ones about the display. 0:43:05.560 --> 0:43:07.960 With the display it's even narrower. Does not work with 0:43:08.080 --> 0:43:11.520 my prescription, which is pretty intense it's not unusual, not 0:43:11.600 --> 0:43:15.319 that unusual, and people who wears glasses, that's the whole point. 0:43:15.800 --> 0:43:17.879 So you can see some companies that are out there, 0:43:18.840 --> 0:43:21.279 a few floating around. One of them who makes the 0:43:21.320 --> 0:43:24.200 display glass, it's called even Realities makes someone that has 0:43:24.239 --> 0:43:26.759 a wide range, a long battery life. But they only 0:43:26.840 --> 0:43:28.920 do a couple of things. So it reminds me of 0:43:29.000 --> 0:43:31.759 like the very early days, where do I buy? What 0:43:31.880 --> 0:43:34.279 do I do for buying these? To me, it's spend 0:43:34.320 --> 0:43:38.319 as little as possible and experiment and realize that you're 0:43:38.320 --> 0:43:41.279 buying something that's still a work in progress. There's going 0:43:41.360 --> 0:43:42.839 to be stuff that comes in the next few years. 0:43:42.880 --> 0:43:44.120 It's going to be a lot different. 0:43:44.239 --> 0:43:46.800 So you go back ten years or more to the 0:43:46.920 --> 0:43:49.480 advent of the smart watch. Smart watch comes out Scott 0:43:49.640 --> 0:43:51.320 and people are like, okay, well do I need a 0:43:51.400 --> 0:43:53.680 watch with all these things? I mean, what's I've got 0:43:53.920 --> 0:43:55.560 I've got a watch or I'm not a watch person. 0:43:56.120 --> 0:44:00.160 Then they came up with the fitness apps and if 0:44:00.200 --> 0:44:02.319 you have Apple, for example, Andrew, they have the app 0:44:02.400 --> 0:44:04.480 right that's built in tracks your steps and all these things, 0:44:04.520 --> 0:44:06.440 and hey, now you can take your ten thousand steps 0:44:06.440 --> 0:44:08.480 a day and you can track all these matches and 0:44:08.560 --> 0:44:12.799 that's what caused smart watches to explode over the last 0:44:12.880 --> 0:44:17.000 ten ten plus years. Is eric killer app waiting us 0:44:17.040 --> 0:44:19.360 for these types of devices and smart glasses. 0:44:20.560 --> 0:44:20.880 Right now? 0:44:20.960 --> 0:44:22.680 The big killer apps that I see and the NIF 0:44:22.840 --> 0:44:25.800 killer apps for a lot of people are the ability 0:44:25.920 --> 0:44:28.759 to be assistive with the rate end, you know, to 0:44:28.840 --> 0:44:31.800 sort of like if you need it to read something 0:44:31.920 --> 0:44:35.480 for you or transplay something for you. And then for 0:44:35.560 --> 0:44:37.880 the ones that plug in, the ability to kind of 0:44:37.920 --> 0:44:40.279 have like a virtual monitor or to watch something on 0:44:40.360 --> 0:44:42.080 the go. Of course, you could always just use your 0:44:42.360 --> 0:44:45.000 laptop or your tablet or your phone and just hunch 0:44:45.040 --> 0:44:46.719 over the screen. So the questions do I need that? 0:44:47.160 --> 0:44:49.239 But I do think going down the road, like you mentioned, 0:44:49.320 --> 0:44:52.160 fitness would be a really interesting killer app Right now, 0:44:52.600 --> 0:44:54.560 A lot of these glasses don't fully hook in all 0:44:54.600 --> 0:44:58.359 of that, which seems a bit paradoxical. Meta actually has 0:44:59.120 --> 0:45:01.720 a pair of Oakley Vanguard glasses that work with Garmin 0:45:01.800 --> 0:45:04.520 watches that are really good right now, but you have 0:45:04.600 --> 0:45:06.200 to have a garment watch and you have to be 0:45:06.280 --> 0:45:09.040 into the idea of wearing those wrap around glasses to 0:45:09.120 --> 0:45:12.279 get feedback when you're doing extreme activities. But I think 0:45:12.280 --> 0:45:16.160 for everybody else, for things like training, getting feedback, even 0:45:16.200 --> 0:45:19.560 stuff like virtual workouts down the road, I think there's 0:45:19.600 --> 0:45:22.359 a lot of possibilities, but we haven't even seen that yet. 0:45:22.719 --> 0:45:24.279 And also how much stuff do you want to have 0:45:24.360 --> 0:45:24.560 on you? 0:45:24.600 --> 0:45:24.920 Already? 0:45:24.960 --> 0:45:26.399 People always want to be I want to have time 0:45:26.400 --> 0:45:28.759 away from my phone. You got your earbuds, you got 0:45:28.760 --> 0:45:31.320 your watch. All the companies are trying to deal with that. 0:45:32.719 --> 0:45:34.120 You know, how how do you get somebody to buy 0:45:34.160 --> 0:45:36.759 one more thing? Do you even need that one more thing? 0:45:36.880 --> 0:45:38.760 And it might be like, oh, I get the glasses 0:45:38.800 --> 0:45:42.200 and they don't get the watch. It's like companies like 0:45:42.239 --> 0:45:44.120 Apple are going to want you to eventually buy all 0:45:44.200 --> 0:45:48.960 three because that tends to be their m And how 0:45:48.960 --> 0:45:50.399 are we going to deal with that? What's the price 0:45:50.480 --> 0:45:52.359 going to be? The prices on these kind of range 0:45:52.360 --> 0:45:55.080 for any work in three hundred dollars to over a thousand, 0:45:55.120 --> 0:45:56.760 and that's not even counting the prescription. 0:45:57.080 --> 0:45:59.600 Yeah, yeah, I just want it. It doesn't sound like 0:45:59.640 --> 0:46:01.640 they kill rapp there as yet. That's going to go, well, 0:46:01.719 --> 0:46:03.839 I need those and God only knows that it could 0:46:03.880 --> 0:46:06.520 be fitness, but you know, working out doing extra you know, 0:46:06.840 --> 0:46:09.560 doing planks with glasses on, They're going to slide off 0:46:09.600 --> 0:46:11.600 your nose. So that's that's probably not as good as 0:46:11.640 --> 0:46:14.319 the watch. I don't know. I was just thinking while 0:46:14.320 --> 0:46:16.560 you were talking, going okay, well, we've got to scare 0:46:16.600 --> 0:46:18.800 people into buying stuff, because fear is a great motivator 0:46:18.880 --> 0:46:21.120 for product, Like either you're missing out or you know, 0:46:21.239 --> 0:46:23.680 maybe something along the lines of you know, with AI 0:46:24.000 --> 0:46:27.400 is it's scanning for people around you or places that 0:46:27.480 --> 0:46:29.960 are dangerous situations. I mean, I could totally see somebody 0:46:30.000 --> 0:46:34.200 integrating facial recognition software and you know, cameras for a 0:46:34.239 --> 0:46:36.080 long time now I'll be able to tell whether somebody's 0:46:36.080 --> 0:46:37.960 carrying a weapon on them or not. I mean, you know, 0:46:38.520 --> 0:46:41.279 and it sounds kind of like, you know, a dystopian 0:46:41.400 --> 0:46:43.960 but something along those lines where it's like, hey, you 0:46:44.040 --> 0:46:45.960 know you're paying attention all the cool stuff on your 0:46:46.000 --> 0:46:49.720 phone in the background that's looking out for uh situations, 0:46:49.880 --> 0:46:51.640 uh that that could trip. 0:46:51.440 --> 0:46:52.640 You out, you know that car. 0:46:53.200 --> 0:46:56.279 Yeah, something like that is a huge concern. And there 0:46:56.400 --> 0:46:58.880 and the way that AI is now you know, not 0:46:59.040 --> 0:47:02.279 being regulated well and it's all over the place and 0:47:02.400 --> 0:47:06.520 going way too fast and messy. Jumping this all in 0:47:06.560 --> 0:47:09.040 the glasses as all sorts of complexities that we don't 0:47:09.080 --> 0:47:11.960 know about any concerns. So yeah, you're totally right. And 0:47:12.040 --> 0:47:14.120 also a lot of it is really extensions of what's 0:47:14.120 --> 0:47:15.680 already on our phones, Like a lot of the stuff 0:47:15.680 --> 0:47:17.279 that you could do it on your phone, you're a 0:47:17.280 --> 0:47:19.719 lot of instances, but the fact that you're doing it 0:47:19.800 --> 0:47:23.040 on your face, you know, not only do I feel 0:47:23.080 --> 0:47:24.840 safe talking to someone of doing it, but also you 0:47:24.880 --> 0:47:27.759 know what is actually capable of being done. I would say, 0:47:27.840 --> 0:47:30.400 like the interesting thing the flip side is that I 0:47:30.640 --> 0:47:33.000 tended to use the metaglasses a lot of vacation glasses, 0:47:33.040 --> 0:47:36.160 which is just kind of funny, and it's that you know, 0:47:36.400 --> 0:47:38.600 in the early days of smart watches, I remember that 0:47:38.719 --> 0:47:41.759 people places like PFA or people standing up on their 0:47:41.840 --> 0:47:44.400 jobs would wear smart watches because allowed them to be 0:47:44.520 --> 0:47:46.720 on their feet and not have to look at their phones. 0:47:47.160 --> 0:47:49.319 And there are a lot of ways that glasses could 0:47:49.360 --> 0:47:52.279 be useful like that for people. I mean, for a 0:47:52.360 --> 0:47:54.000 silly thing like the vacation I would use it to 0:47:54.040 --> 0:47:56.160 take photos and take calls and not have to pull 0:47:56.239 --> 0:47:58.960 thing out of my pocket. But I think that that 0:47:59.080 --> 0:48:01.600 will start to become convenience. Part the flip side is 0:48:01.880 --> 0:48:04.240 if I feel like I'm always on and always connected, 0:48:04.320 --> 0:48:07.760 am I really truly mentally feeling like I'm on vacation? 0:48:08.160 --> 0:48:09.919 And so you know, do I want to just turn 0:48:09.960 --> 0:48:12.520 that off, put it away and not have that That's 0:48:12.560 --> 0:48:13.400 the thing I'm wrestling with. 0:48:14.200 --> 0:48:17.560 Yeah, it's it's certainly complex. You just see this thing 0:48:17.680 --> 0:48:19.560 taking off more and more, and there's there's got to 0:48:19.600 --> 0:48:21.640 be a social acceptance evolution there too. And I think 0:48:21.680 --> 0:48:23.560 would he came up with a killer rap? That's going 0:48:23.600 --> 0:48:24.920 to help it a lot everyone and we'll all be 0:48:24.960 --> 0:48:27.560 walking on the classes on of course too. You know, 0:48:27.719 --> 0:48:30.319 even this day and as old as serious, there's times 0:48:30.360 --> 0:48:33.320 where I say, hey, say and it doesn't listen. Do 0:48:33.600 --> 0:48:36.400 we have that problem where the AI glasses that they 0:48:36.680 --> 0:48:39.640 misidentify things and I guess, for lack of a better term, hallucinates. 0:48:41.040 --> 0:48:43.239 Yeah, it's a great question, definitely. Not only do they 0:48:43.320 --> 0:48:46.360 misunderstand or misinterpret things vocally, but there are a lot 0:48:46.400 --> 0:48:48.960 of hallucinations that go on. There are times that seems 0:48:49.000 --> 0:48:52.239 to know knowledgeably about I ask what plant this is, 0:48:52.560 --> 0:48:54.080 and it takes a look to take the photo and 0:48:54.120 --> 0:48:57.920 identifies and that may it may not be that plant. 0:48:58.080 --> 0:49:00.400 There's a lot of Sometimes it can be, sometimes cannot be. 0:49:00.680 --> 0:49:03.560 And then AI is always good at apologizing and that 0:49:03.680 --> 0:49:06.080 you you ask, oh, I'm sorry, it's oh, I'm sorry, 0:49:06.120 --> 0:49:07.960 it's this, and then you get you feel like you're 0:49:07.960 --> 0:49:10.200 being gas float. You know which one which is the 0:49:10.320 --> 0:49:12.360 real answer? You have to go vett it out yourself. 0:49:12.760 --> 0:49:15.759 That's a big challenge I find in using AI reliably 0:49:16.320 --> 0:49:18.120 as a as an all day type of the tool. 0:49:18.520 --> 0:49:21.920 But but you also bring up like voices to me, 0:49:22.280 --> 0:49:23.560 a lot of companies are trying to figure out a 0:49:23.560 --> 0:49:25.480 way to get passed voice because you're talking to yourself, 0:49:25.520 --> 0:49:28.920 you're if you feel like you're playing twenty questions. There 0:49:28.920 --> 0:49:31.640 are technologies. Meta has a neural band now that's an 0:49:31.640 --> 0:49:33.680 accessory to the ray band. Displays based the leisure to 0:49:33.760 --> 0:49:38.000 pinch and gesture and get to things supposedly faster. Apple 0:49:38.080 --> 0:49:40.360 has a lot of gestures on its watches. Google's going 0:49:40.440 --> 0:49:43.560 to be adding that, and eventually companies want to figure 0:49:43.560 --> 0:49:45.520 out things like eye tracking, which is a whole other 0:49:45.600 --> 0:49:48.160 ballwax is do you want that? But the flip side 0:49:48.239 --> 0:49:51.759 is that you could potentially get to information that you 0:49:51.840 --> 0:49:54.719 want to get you faster than using your voice. But 0:49:55.200 --> 0:49:57.600 those haven't been fully figured out. But keep it, keep 0:49:57.640 --> 0:50:00.160 an eye, so to speak, on that because a lot 0:50:00.200 --> 0:50:03.080 of companies are trying to solve that, and it may 0:50:03.160 --> 0:50:05.680 not just be on glasses, It'll be on your watching 0:50:05.760 --> 0:50:08.279 your home in the way that you interact with things. 0:50:09.360 --> 0:50:13.120 On the smart classes topic, Scott given metas track record 0:50:13.200 --> 0:50:16.320 with data privacy and the fact that smart classes are continuing. 0:50:16.400 --> 0:50:18.799 I mean, you know your your microphone on your phone 0:50:18.880 --> 0:50:22.200 is on all the time you click somewhere and follows you. 0:50:22.400 --> 0:50:24.319 We're going to see that an extreme when it comes 0:50:24.360 --> 0:50:26.320 to what we look at as well. How do you 0:50:26.360 --> 0:50:29.600 see the industry moving forward balancing the benefits between what's 0:50:29.640 --> 0:50:32.080 happening contextually and versus privacy. 0:50:33.440 --> 0:50:35.400 I think there may be a whole bunch of changes 0:50:35.480 --> 0:50:39.400 to the way that phones connect to services like that, 0:50:39.680 --> 0:50:44.239 to regulations to understand how these things work. You know 0:50:44.440 --> 0:50:47.200 already on your phone, these all connect with your phone 0:50:47.239 --> 0:50:49.799 when you're on your phone. You have to enlist all 0:50:49.840 --> 0:50:53.040 sorts of location based or services to have things always 0:50:53.040 --> 0:50:55.440 be connected. That's the case of the glasses too, and 0:50:55.520 --> 0:50:57.080 you have to kind of put things into an always 0:50:57.160 --> 0:50:57.600 on state. 0:50:58.040 --> 0:50:59.719 And how much. How much of that do you want 0:50:59.760 --> 0:50:59.880 to do? 0:51:00.080 --> 0:51:02.200 The company like Meta, you know, like you said, it's 0:51:02.200 --> 0:51:04.239 a terrible track record with these types of things, and 0:51:04.400 --> 0:51:09.760 so they're not the ideal company to be driving AI glasses. However, 0:51:09.880 --> 0:51:13.040 their technology is really fascinating right now and has a 0:51:13.120 --> 0:51:17.440 lot of capabilities. But Google entering the picture provides competition. 0:51:17.600 --> 0:51:21.520 Google has a lot of issues too, so you know, Apple, 0:51:21.680 --> 0:51:23.920 every every big tech company has its own subset of 0:51:24.000 --> 0:51:26.840 issues and different degrees. So the best thing would be 0:51:27.360 --> 0:51:31.320 to have a lot of these services be interchangeable, you know, 0:51:31.400 --> 0:51:33.799 have standards to interconnect. A lot of the companies now 0:51:33.800 --> 0:51:36.439 are wanting you to use Meta, wants to use Meta AI. 0:51:36.600 --> 0:51:39.240 Google is going to want you to use Gemini Apple 0:51:39.520 --> 0:51:41.359 when they make glasses. I'm sure it's going to make 0:51:41.400 --> 0:51:46.480 you flow through new theory. And that's that's not great 0:51:46.520 --> 0:51:48.400 because on your phone at least you do seem to 0:51:48.440 --> 0:51:52.520 have more options and and so, like you mentioned that 0:51:52.760 --> 0:51:55.719 that kind of connected that big question of of data 0:51:55.800 --> 0:51:58.840 and privacy and how these things are controlled on glasses. 0:51:58.920 --> 0:52:01.279 Now, if you think the era privacy was over, now 0:52:02.320 --> 0:52:04.480 now it's a if you think about there's cameras up 0:52:04.520 --> 0:52:06.239 all over the place, and you know, people trying to 0:52:06.280 --> 0:52:09.040 get away with stuff, and you know, we have murders 0:52:09.080 --> 0:52:11.360 and killings that are solved now because of this technology. 0:52:11.360 --> 0:52:15.279 Imagine now when I don't know five ten percent of 0:52:15.320 --> 0:52:18.239 the population are walking around with cameras that are always on, 0:52:18.320 --> 0:52:20.320 as opposed to somebody pulling out a phone in recording. 0:52:20.360 --> 0:52:22.719 That's going to seem quaint. We'll be recording all the time. 0:52:22.800 --> 0:52:23.719 We just don't realize it. 0:52:25.000 --> 0:52:27.000 Yeah, and a lot of these companies are trying to 0:52:27.040 --> 0:52:30.440 become extensions of your memory, which is a fascinating dystopian, 0:52:31.520 --> 0:52:34.160 wild science fiction topic that you know, we've been thinking 0:52:34.160 --> 0:52:36.799 about for years, but they really really are and it's 0:52:36.840 --> 0:52:39.320 already happening on your phone. A lot of the glasses 0:52:39.360 --> 0:52:41.600 are working on that too, to kind of say, I'll 0:52:41.680 --> 0:52:45.800 remember what you were looking at or help you recall 0:52:45.960 --> 0:52:49.520 things by by recording moments or interconnecting them via AI. 0:52:50.040 --> 0:52:52.759 And then you get to the point of well, it's 0:52:52.840 --> 0:52:56.879 that it's that treating your privacy and change for things 0:52:56.960 --> 0:52:59.480 that might help you, how the tendant you become on 0:52:59.640 --> 0:53:03.120 these said memory systems and wanting to keep them on 0:53:03.320 --> 0:53:06.040 or health systems where who it's monitoring things I think 0:53:06.080 --> 0:53:09.320 it's a fascinating future, and also I think it's a 0:53:09.400 --> 0:53:12.960 very problematic one. We're already there with phones, but I 0:53:13.080 --> 0:53:15.880 think that I think the glasses and the sensor technology 0:53:15.920 --> 0:53:18.680 that's coming, sensors that are going to be more advanced, 0:53:18.800 --> 0:53:21.240 not here yet but are eventually going to be more advanced. 0:53:21.280 --> 0:53:23.800 Things like neural sensors or things that could you know, 0:53:24.000 --> 0:53:27.320 connect through your heart rate or potentially stress levels, or 0:53:27.360 --> 0:53:29.960 eye tracking. They all want to go there. Then you 0:53:30.040 --> 0:53:32.080 get to a point where it can start to sort 0:53:32.120 --> 0:53:34.799 of guess at what you're thinking and what you're looking at. 0:53:34.840 --> 0:53:37.680 I don't I don't think we're there anywhere anytime in 0:53:37.760 --> 0:53:40.640 the next two years or so. But I think that 0:53:40.760 --> 0:53:43.400 that that is part of the goal. Those advanced headsets 0:53:43.440 --> 0:53:48.680 like Apple Vision Pro which have eye tracking and you know, 0:53:49.000 --> 0:53:50.879 and and and all that are sort of and hand 0:53:50.960 --> 0:53:54.280 tracking or sort of showing that total picture that eventually 0:53:54.360 --> 0:53:56.120 companies do want to make for glasses. 0:53:56.239 --> 0:53:59.360 Well real quick, Scott, do you think that in I 0:53:59.360 --> 0:54:01.480 don't know, maybe then ten fifteen years, whatever it might be, 0:54:01.680 --> 0:54:04.240 that the the smartphone that's not even a phone anymore, 0:54:04.280 --> 0:54:06.239 it's everything but a phone that that goes away and 0:54:06.280 --> 0:54:07.080 we just have glasses. 0:54:08.560 --> 0:54:10.960 You know, I've covered tech for so many years. Originally 0:54:11.000 --> 0:54:13.360 I would say yes, but I said laptops are going 0:54:13.440 --> 0:54:17.600 to go away in two thousand and nine and forgot 0:54:17.640 --> 0:54:20.439 one on my desk Texas. Tech is hard to kill 0:54:21.360 --> 0:54:25.080 in a lot of ways until suddenly dead. But I 0:54:25.160 --> 0:54:27.680 think phones, you know, thank goodness, we do not have 0:54:27.800 --> 0:54:29.719 implants in our brains. I don't think we should ever 0:54:29.800 --> 0:54:30.880 have implants in our brains. 0:54:31.120 --> 0:54:33.080 But I think that phones are. 0:54:32.960 --> 0:54:35.920 Our extensions to the tech world that we carry on us. 0:54:36.560 --> 0:54:38.879 And I think for a lot of reasons, battery life 0:54:38.880 --> 0:54:40.799 and power. I think that's going to stay that way, 0:54:40.880 --> 0:54:43.040 and then you're going to wear things that will work 0:54:43.120 --> 0:54:44.200 with that phone, right. 0:54:44.480 --> 0:54:46.920 Right, Yeah, because of the battery. There's a big obstacle here. 0:54:47.040 --> 0:54:50.399 String enough computer, yeah, yeah, that goes. 0:54:51.800 --> 0:54:53.719 Yeah, It's like, you know, the battery lies the huge 0:54:53.760 --> 0:54:55.960 issue for companies, and they make the glasses smaller and 0:54:56.000 --> 0:54:58.919 everything smaller. Battery life can't. You can't wave a magic 0:54:58.960 --> 0:55:01.799 wand and make it somedly better. So I think we'll 0:55:01.840 --> 0:55:02.520 still have phones. 0:55:02.840 --> 0:55:05.560 Yeah, unless you're watching a streaming show or something like that, 0:55:05.640 --> 0:55:08.320 because seemingly the actors in that they never charge their phones. 0:55:08.360 --> 0:55:11.439 Ever they wake up and it's on the bedstand. There's 0:55:11.520 --> 0:55:13.799 no charger. It's amazing and we can live in that world. 0:55:13.840 --> 0:55:17.040 I'd be fascinating. Scott Stein Seen Its editor at Large, 0:55:17.040 --> 0:55:20.480 Thanks again for the time. Fascinating news is coming up 0:55:20.560 --> 0:55:23.239 in just about five minutes and we returned. Sanjay Shavacremani 0:55:23.239 --> 0:55:26.279 our resident emergency room physician and of course fitness and 0:55:26.320 --> 0:55:29.720 health expert. There's a new test out there, a simple 0:55:29.760 --> 0:55:31.920 strength test, a couple of things you can do, and 0:55:32.160 --> 0:55:34.279 a new studies come out that shows the better you 0:55:34.360 --> 0:55:37.800 score on these tests, the less likelihood you're going to 0:55:37.880 --> 0:55:40.560 have a heart attack. Details on what you need to 0:55:40.600 --> 0:55:43.040 know about that coming up next. Scott's Loan seven hundred 0:55:47.200 --> 0:55:49.719 Scott's Loan Show. This is seven hundred WLW. He thinks 0:55:49.719 --> 0:55:52.879 our friends at Dorothy Lane Markets, they brought some food 0:55:52.960 --> 0:55:55.759 by and seafood at seafood Season with lent and all 0:55:55.840 --> 0:55:58.839 that too. They're fishmongers among the best. They will take 0:55:58.880 --> 0:56:00.720 care of They hooked us up. We got obster rolls 0:56:00.800 --> 0:56:04.640 and shrimp and crabbed it with many toasts, salmon salad. 0:56:04.760 --> 0:56:08.600 The clam chower is fantastic. Everything there is wonderful. So 0:56:08.680 --> 0:56:11.160 Dorothy Lane Market their new location, of course, the originals 0:56:11.200 --> 0:56:13.920 in Dayton on Fire Hills Avenue in the new one 0:56:13.960 --> 0:56:17.320 in Mason off a western row. So everything there is 0:56:17.520 --> 0:56:20.719 I can attest firsthand how good everything is. But I 0:56:20.800 --> 0:56:22.800 love seafood. I had to enjoy a good fresh seafood. 0:56:22.800 --> 0:56:24.640 And there's no fresher place together than our friends with 0:56:25.080 --> 0:56:27.759 Dorothy Lane Markets. Sanjay, would you agree on the seafood thing? 0:56:27.760 --> 0:56:30.120 Are you? Seafood guy? Fully agree, big seafood guy. 0:56:30.280 --> 0:56:32.040 And last time I was there, I saw their new 0:56:32.120 --> 0:56:37.080 poke Poke station, so you could get poke bowls and 0:56:37.239 --> 0:56:39.120 you just make them custom to the way you want them. 0:56:39.520 --> 0:56:41.719 I did not dive in that time, but I am 0:56:41.800 --> 0:56:44.120 definitely trying it next time. It looked amazing, Like everything 0:56:44.160 --> 0:56:46.239 looks super frished, poke is and it's got to be. 0:56:46.600 --> 0:56:48.200 It's legit. If it's Dorothy Lane, you're good. 0:56:48.239 --> 0:56:48.320 You know. 0:56:48.360 --> 0:56:50.919 I wouldn't get that at a gas station. But because 0:56:50.960 --> 0:56:54.160 it's for their sake, I trust their sushi. Let's go 0:56:54.440 --> 0:56:56.080 Poky is awesome. See. I like to eat. I like 0:56:56.120 --> 0:56:57.960 different foods. I'll try anything. Once I don't like it, 0:56:57.960 --> 0:56:59.879 I don't like it. Same here it's all good. So yeah, 0:57:00.000 --> 0:57:02.759 Earthy Lane the hookup sign. Joy Shaefer Kramani's here. He 0:57:03.000 --> 0:57:07.160 is our resident physician, emergency room physician, also our health 0:57:07.200 --> 0:57:09.799 and food and fitness expert, and he joins the show 0:57:09.840 --> 0:57:12.360 this morning every Thursday, we talk health. And there's a 0:57:12.440 --> 0:57:15.759 study out that shows it it was just women that 0:57:16.200 --> 0:57:19.440 so there's the study finds that women with greater muscle 0:57:19.480 --> 0:57:21.919 strength have a significantly lower risk of death. And there's 0:57:21.920 --> 0:57:24.160 a couple easy tests to find out how you rate 0:57:25.400 --> 0:57:26.280 what your strength is. 0:57:26.600 --> 0:57:28.880 Yeah, so this is the most recent study and it's 0:57:28.880 --> 0:57:31.840 specifically for women, but it underlines the prior studies that 0:57:31.920 --> 0:57:34.880 have been done in strength training in all ages and 0:57:35.040 --> 0:57:38.880 all genders. So this study specifically was published in jama 0:57:39.000 --> 0:57:42.600 so a pretty you know, a well known journal, and 0:57:42.680 --> 0:57:44.440 what it did was studied women over the age of 0:57:44.520 --> 0:57:48.440 fifty and found that two tests can show you your 0:57:48.480 --> 0:57:51.880 strength in a way that it actually correlates with your mortality. 0:57:52.000 --> 0:57:54.360 So the more strength you have, the lesser chance you 0:57:54.480 --> 0:57:58.280 have of dying. And those two tests are grip strength 0:57:58.680 --> 0:58:01.439 and also how fast you can get up from a seat, 0:58:01.680 --> 0:58:05.800 so simple things. Grip strength is correlated with better health 0:58:06.160 --> 0:58:09.240 as well as getting up quickly from a seat five times, so. 0:58:09.320 --> 0:58:11.320 You get it gout without any help, without pushing yourself 0:58:11.360 --> 0:58:12.560 up or is it hands? No hands? 0:58:12.640 --> 0:58:16.520 So it really doesn't matter, you know. Optimal health would be, yeah, 0:58:16.560 --> 0:58:18.720 you brace your core, you don't use anything else, but 0:58:18.840 --> 0:58:20.680 you can just get up five times as quick as 0:58:20.760 --> 0:58:23.640 you can. What they found, and another says have shown 0:58:23.760 --> 0:58:26.080 is if you can do that in less than eleven seconds, 0:58:26.560 --> 0:58:30.560 you're pretty good. So that's about two seconds less, you know, 0:58:30.600 --> 0:58:32.760 a little bit more than two seconds per time you 0:58:32.840 --> 0:58:33.600 get up and sit back. 0:58:33.600 --> 0:58:35.880 Now eleven seconds from sitting to standing. You want to 0:58:35.880 --> 0:58:39.240 try it, Yeah, like I could do I probably could 0:58:39.280 --> 0:58:41.520 do an eleven seconds. I probably could get up and 0:58:41.600 --> 0:58:44.320 down five times. You probably could, right, And so you know, 0:58:44.520 --> 0:58:47.880 you work out, Sloan, let's go. You need more than 0:58:47.880 --> 0:58:50.120 good yeah, maybe two. You got to get those muscles built. 0:58:51.080 --> 0:58:52.320 And the same thing for grip strength. 0:58:52.320 --> 0:58:53.919 And it's not like you know, a lot of people 0:58:53.920 --> 0:58:55.440 will see the study and they'll say, well, all I 0:58:55.480 --> 0:58:57.280 got to work on my grip strength and then and 0:58:57.320 --> 0:59:01.160 then I don't die. But it's obviously more complicated than that. 0:59:01.520 --> 0:59:04.560 It is thought that grip strength is reflective, so it 0:59:04.640 --> 0:59:07.000 shows you an overall picture of how your body is doing, 0:59:07.160 --> 0:59:08.240 but by a simple test. 0:59:08.520 --> 0:59:11.000 Okay, so real quick, so getting some people are going, 0:59:11.040 --> 0:59:13.200 oh what the test? So getting up and out of 0:59:13.240 --> 0:59:15.880 a chair from sitting down standing up in eleven seconds. 0:59:15.920 --> 0:59:17.680 Yeah, so while you're listening to this, you can literally 0:59:17.800 --> 0:59:18.480 try it right down in the. 0:59:19.120 --> 0:59:23.440 Work people at work now popping up and down like, 0:59:24.080 --> 0:59:25.920 well we know who's listening, like whack a mole, Like 0:59:25.960 --> 0:59:28.640 what's going on in the cubicles here? Uh So that's okay, 0:59:28.680 --> 0:59:30.600 So that's it. And now real quick, is that just 0:59:30.680 --> 0:59:32.640 for women or is that men too? So that's that's 0:59:32.760 --> 0:59:33.360 men in general. 0:59:33.400 --> 0:59:36.080 So studies have also shown the importance of grip strength 0:59:36.160 --> 0:59:37.000 as a measure of. 0:59:37.760 --> 0:59:40.320 How do I measure grip strength? So there there's a 0:59:40.360 --> 0:59:40.760 few ways. 0:59:40.800 --> 0:59:43.280 I mean, the main way that you can do it 0:59:43.440 --> 0:59:46.120 is with a dynamometer, which I actually I was trying 0:59:46.160 --> 0:59:48.640 to get to bring in here today. It is a 0:59:48.760 --> 0:59:51.040 little bit delayed with Amazon right now, so I couldn't 0:59:51.040 --> 0:59:52.560 bring it in because I was going to find out 0:59:53.400 --> 0:59:55.640 how you are. Yeah, because you're always talking about working out. 0:59:55.760 --> 0:59:59.240 It's like, let's like this guy is like a donas 0:59:59.280 --> 1:00:02.960 over talking. I'm just a fat bastard anyway, So those 1:00:03.120 --> 1:00:05.360 can actually test. So you basically you make a grip 1:00:05.400 --> 1:00:08.240 and it shows you what exact force you're putting on it. 1:00:08.560 --> 1:00:11.480 And there are numbers for men and women of how 1:00:11.800 --> 1:00:13.480 of where you want to be to show you that 1:00:13.600 --> 1:00:14.400 you have the best health. 1:00:14.520 --> 1:00:16.520 Is there any way to judge your grip strength without 1:00:16.560 --> 1:00:20.080 the dynamo and the mind of manner without the diary? 1:00:20.160 --> 1:00:22.440 This is why healthcare so expensive. They got a gadget 1:00:22.480 --> 1:00:24.200 for everything, and you have to pay per letter. 1:00:25.120 --> 1:00:27.880 Right, So the main ways you can do it is 1:00:27.960 --> 1:00:30.160 just holding on to something heavy for a while, even 1:00:30.280 --> 1:00:32.400 like you know, can you grab five bags of groceries 1:00:32.440 --> 1:00:33.320 and go into your house? 1:00:33.520 --> 1:00:33.720 Sure? 1:00:33.880 --> 1:00:36.240 Simple stuff like that. Can you you know, hang from 1:00:36.280 --> 1:00:36.560 a bar? 1:00:37.440 --> 1:00:39.600 That's a that's a good one too, although that overall 1:00:39.680 --> 1:00:43.320 tests more things than just your grip, but there are 1:00:43.400 --> 1:00:45.120 there are multiple things you can do. But I kind 1:00:45.120 --> 1:00:49.120 of like those two hanging and then holding, So it's 1:00:49.440 --> 1:00:51.360 I guess the test is it's not necessarily the risk 1:00:51.400 --> 1:00:55.360 of the grip strength. What happens is if you're physically active, 1:00:55.440 --> 1:00:57.840 if you are doing resistance training or you do a 1:00:57.880 --> 1:01:00.560 physical job, your grip strengths nowctual it's going to be 1:01:00.560 --> 1:01:03.040 stronger because you're exercising other muscles, and the risk is 1:01:03.160 --> 1:01:05.280 very important in anything upper body. If I'm doing bicep, 1:01:05.360 --> 1:01:08.000 tricep chest press over at, you're still your wrists are 1:01:08.000 --> 1:01:09.200 going to get strong by doing that. 1:01:09.400 --> 1:01:11.440 So it's like a default test exactly. 1:01:11.640 --> 1:01:15.280 And yeah, if you're doing anything you know, manual, you're 1:01:15.320 --> 1:01:17.200 working those grips, but all the muscles around it, like 1:01:17.280 --> 1:01:20.400 you said, but what is also testing isn't just the muscles, 1:01:20.480 --> 1:01:22.400 but how well your brain's functioning and how well your 1:01:22.440 --> 1:01:24.640 nerves are functioning, because you need all of that stuff 1:01:24.880 --> 1:01:26.600 to be in line. If one of those is off 1:01:27.520 --> 1:01:30.080 your muscles or your nerves things, you're not going to 1:01:30.120 --> 1:01:31.600 be able to hold onto anything for too long. 1:01:31.680 --> 1:01:34.240 Okay, good, he's sign. Jay Shaefercrimani are resident a doctor 1:01:34.280 --> 1:01:36.480 and fitness expert on the show this morning on seven 1:01:36.600 --> 1:01:39.960 hundred WLW. It's in which ot of the two is 1:01:39.960 --> 1:01:42.440 in more consistent mortality If you're to just take one, 1:01:42.520 --> 1:01:44.080 I mean the too easy test and like wow, I 1:01:44.080 --> 1:01:45.960 don't have a grip meet or like fancy pants over 1:01:46.000 --> 1:01:48.400 here does? So what about the chair test? Which one's better? 1:01:48.720 --> 1:01:51.600 So the study is very and my actual assumption would 1:01:51.600 --> 1:01:53.760 have been that getting up off a chair would be faster. 1:01:53.880 --> 1:01:56.800 But what this specific study showed was that grip strength 1:01:56.920 --> 1:01:59.640 was a little bit more correlated to better health. But 1:01:59.760 --> 1:02:02.440 other studies have shown different things. So either way, you 1:02:02.560 --> 1:02:05.840 want to be stronger to live longer. That being said 1:02:06.400 --> 1:02:09.400 to kind of go on a tangent, cardiac fitness and 1:02:09.480 --> 1:02:12.720 cardio respitory fitness measured by like what we usually call cardio, 1:02:14.120 --> 1:02:17.160 actually correlates with better health as far as living longer, 1:02:17.600 --> 1:02:20.760 and so it's a little bit more advantageous to if 1:02:20.800 --> 1:02:23.400 you if you have your choice of doing cardio over 1:02:23.480 --> 1:02:26.000 strength if you want to live longer. The way I 1:02:26.120 --> 1:02:28.360 also see it is though, if you want to live better, 1:02:29.040 --> 1:02:30.960 get that strength training in because that allows you to 1:02:31.040 --> 1:02:33.480 do the things you want to do. You know, if 1:02:33.520 --> 1:02:35.640 you're a gardener, you get to squat more. If you 1:02:35.920 --> 1:02:37.840 you know, like pottery, you get you know, to do 1:02:37.880 --> 1:02:41.680 the right anything. Yeah, golf will require strength less than endurance, 1:02:41.720 --> 1:02:45.040 so you know, ultimately there is a little bit better 1:02:45.160 --> 1:02:49.480 mortality benefit to cardio. But both in combination is where 1:02:49.560 --> 1:02:50.080 the money is. 1:02:50.240 --> 1:02:53.280 Yeah, doing both, got it, got it, And people go, well, 1:02:53.320 --> 1:02:55.200 I only have so much time a week. You know, 1:02:55.360 --> 1:02:58.200 I'm my strength training three days and cardio the other 1:02:58.680 --> 1:03:01.040 three more and then like for me at my agent 1:03:01.080 --> 1:03:04.360 of you know, fifties push a late fifties, I like 1:03:04.560 --> 1:03:06.240 to go okay. I do cardio two days a week 1:03:06.720 --> 1:03:09.760 and it doesn't have to be crazy like hardcore. I 1:03:09.920 --> 1:03:12.520 do straight resistaning thing twice a week and then pilates 1:03:12.520 --> 1:03:14.880 at least twice a week. So that's actually my joint 1:03:14.960 --> 1:03:16.840 suck and I need to get rid of that pain 1:03:16.920 --> 1:03:19.120 from all the work and that which is all perfect. 1:03:19.240 --> 1:03:21.520 So you know, the current guidelines are still one hundred 1:03:21.520 --> 1:03:24.240 and fifty minutes of exercise per week in some form 1:03:24.280 --> 1:03:26.640 of fashion, unless it's vigorous, in which case you can 1:03:26.680 --> 1:03:29.880 get by with seventy five. More is better, but too 1:03:30.000 --> 1:03:31.760 much can be bad too, because it can you know, 1:03:31.840 --> 1:03:34.920 you can injure yourself. There are kind of four things 1:03:34.960 --> 1:03:36.600 you want to think about. Is am I getting my 1:03:36.640 --> 1:03:37.080 strength in? 1:03:37.560 --> 1:03:37.760 Yeah? 1:03:38.040 --> 1:03:40.240 Am I getting my cardio in? R am I getting 1:03:40.280 --> 1:03:42.880 my balance in, which is important as we get older 1:03:43.000 --> 1:03:45.360 to prevent falls. And then there's a new thing coming 1:03:45.400 --> 1:03:48.000 out as far as power and how much power are 1:03:48.040 --> 1:03:49.960 you getting? And this is actually what comes down to, 1:03:50.120 --> 1:03:53.160 like quick reflexes and speed, and so there are ways 1:03:53.200 --> 1:03:55.560 to build that up. But that what those quick kind 1:03:55.560 --> 1:03:58.760 of reactions do as our body gets quicker, is it 1:03:59.080 --> 1:04:02.120 it stops those falls. So yeah, balance is important, but 1:04:02.280 --> 1:04:04.520 if you're suddenly falling, you want to make sure you 1:04:04.600 --> 1:04:06.760 can react quickly before gravity takes over and. 1:04:06.760 --> 1:04:08.440 You end up on the grounds. Yeah. Yeah, it's a 1:04:08.520 --> 1:04:10.760 quick the fast twitch stuff that like, hey, I'm falling 1:04:10.880 --> 1:04:12.800 or I misstep and you catch yourself, but you're able 1:04:12.840 --> 1:04:14.840 to jump and exactly if you can't do that, then 1:04:14.880 --> 1:04:16.160 you fall and that's how you break. But and then 1:04:16.160 --> 1:04:19.000 it gets worse because you've got to recover from those injuries, 1:04:19.040 --> 1:04:21.960 which can be very substantive, breaking a hip for example, Right, yeah, 1:04:22.200 --> 1:04:22.960 it slows you down. 1:04:23.000 --> 1:04:25.320 Now we've gotten better as far as our surgeries and 1:04:25.360 --> 1:04:29.560 everything that the risk of dying actually within a year 1:04:29.600 --> 1:04:33.120 has gone down markedly, but you know, it limits you significantly. 1:04:33.240 --> 1:04:35.320 When you break your hip, especially as we get older, 1:04:35.360 --> 1:04:37.720 it will throw you off for months, if not years. 1:04:37.920 --> 1:04:40.040 Now, as I age don Jay into this closer to 1:04:40.160 --> 1:04:43.000 death cohort, you have friends that are like they never 1:04:43.120 --> 1:04:45.080 have you know, I would play sports when they're younger, 1:04:45.120 --> 1:04:48.320 and then you know you're working, you're doing stuff, and 1:04:48.440 --> 1:04:50.560 now they're like, well, you know, I'm slowing down a 1:04:50.600 --> 1:04:52.200 little bit more. I've got to I want to start 1:04:52.320 --> 1:04:54.720 working out or start because I realize the benefits and 1:04:54.760 --> 1:04:57.160 I want to be around and enjoy the fruits of 1:04:57.200 --> 1:04:59.120 all this labor. So it's you know, it's hard to 1:04:59.200 --> 1:05:01.520 have cool stuff, do fun things when you're dead. So 1:05:02.240 --> 1:05:04.680 unless you consider that a vacation, which I actually I 1:05:04.760 --> 1:05:07.480 think about it, maybe I take that back anyway, as 1:05:07.560 --> 1:05:09.360 I ramble here with the ADHD be able to do that. 1:05:09.400 --> 1:05:11.720 Another subject, what about that? I mean you're getting in 1:05:11.800 --> 1:05:13.800 with the first time. What if you're I don't know, sixty, 1:05:13.960 --> 1:05:15.960 what if seventy eight? I mean you've never done before. 1:05:16.000 --> 1:05:16.920 You want to start going. 1:05:17.000 --> 1:05:19.640 Truly, never done it before? You know, once we get 1:05:19.680 --> 1:05:22.160 over at any age, I'd say, but certainly past the 1:05:22.240 --> 1:05:24.800 age of you know, forty, you want to have a 1:05:24.880 --> 1:05:27.160 guide to help you get there. You want to make 1:05:27.200 --> 1:05:29.400 sure you're doing things right. And the other thing is 1:05:29.480 --> 1:05:31.160 you want to make sure you're not going too hard 1:05:31.240 --> 1:05:33.320 too fast. You may hear something like this like, oh 1:05:33.520 --> 1:05:35.280 I'm going to die sooner if I'm not in shape, 1:05:35.280 --> 1:05:38.200 I better you get into shape. Now, the most important 1:05:38.240 --> 1:05:40.680 thing is that you do something that you can enjoy, 1:05:41.120 --> 1:05:44.520 that you can do consistently, and that will get you 1:05:44.720 --> 1:05:46.920 the you know, the benefits over the long run. You 1:05:47.160 --> 1:05:49.000 don't want to bite off too much too fast, and 1:05:49.040 --> 1:05:51.600 you certainly don't want to do anything that can injure yourself, 1:05:51.680 --> 1:05:52.440 especially without eyes. 1:05:52.480 --> 1:05:54.840 Starting easy, right and maybe one or two days a week, 1:05:54.880 --> 1:05:56.360 you don't have to really press it because it's going 1:05:56.400 --> 1:05:58.360 to take you longer to recover the muscle fatigue. First, 1:05:58.400 --> 1:06:01.360 it's the you know, if you do resistant trainings, you know, right, 1:06:01.440 --> 1:06:03.640 it's it's the tendons for then the muscles come along. 1:06:03.680 --> 1:06:05.200 It's like, wow, I'm not making progress. All those sad 1:06:05.280 --> 1:06:08.240 to do because you're training your tendons as long as 1:06:08.480 --> 1:06:09.480 well as your muscles. 1:06:09.280 --> 1:06:12.040 Exactly, and it's the whole body, and it takes time. 1:06:12.520 --> 1:06:13.960 You know, what we say at our gym is that, 1:06:14.480 --> 1:06:17.640 you know, give us, give us thirty days, and it's 1:06:17.680 --> 1:06:19.160 going to take a while. The first couple of weeks 1:06:19.200 --> 1:06:21.200 are actually going to kind of stink. Your body is 1:06:21.240 --> 1:06:23.680 doing something it's not used to. But you know, one, 1:06:23.960 --> 1:06:26.720 give yourself some grace and to see how things are 1:06:26.760 --> 1:06:29.160 feeling after thirty days. But then the real test is 1:06:29.160 --> 1:06:31.480 at ninety days. You know, that's when the habits start 1:06:31.520 --> 1:06:34.360 to build. That's when you're feeling more accountable towards yourself, 1:06:35.360 --> 1:06:37.720 and that's when you when you see the improvements overall, 1:06:37.880 --> 1:06:40.160 especially not just in the gym, but also in your life. 1:06:40.200 --> 1:06:41.800 And I'm glad you said that too, because it's like, oh, 1:06:41.920 --> 1:06:44.640 thirty days, Yeah, habits, we don't have had the Habitstil 1:06:45.040 --> 1:06:47.640 between forty and fifty days, right, something becomes a habit. 1:06:47.640 --> 1:06:51.720 Yeah, and more most concreted about ninety So it's truly 1:06:51.840 --> 1:06:53.840 three months that you want to give yourself. But you 1:06:53.920 --> 1:06:56.600 know those three months of growth could lead to an 1:06:56.640 --> 1:06:58.840 extra three years, if not three decades, to your life. 1:06:58.960 --> 1:07:02.720 Yeah. Sign Shavor Crimani a resident emergency room physician and 1:07:02.960 --> 1:07:05.400 also health and fitness and food expert. This morning on 1:07:05.440 --> 1:07:08.760 the show. In seven hundred WW, the Journal of American 1:07:08.800 --> 1:07:11.120 Medicine came out with a new study. Well I don't 1:07:11.120 --> 1:07:14.439 know if it's new study necessarily, but ways to see 1:07:15.440 --> 1:07:16.920 if you're going to wind up living a life you 1:07:17.000 --> 1:07:19.240 expect to and that is an interuring study came out 1:07:19.640 --> 1:07:21.880 that you have a thirty three percent lower risk of 1:07:21.960 --> 1:07:26.600 death compared to the non working out group relative to 1:07:26.680 --> 1:07:28.480 grip strey. So it's grip strength and it's getting up 1:07:28.480 --> 1:07:29.880 for a chair. So if you can sit in a 1:07:30.000 --> 1:07:32.400 chair and stand up and you can use your hands, 1:07:32.680 --> 1:07:35.000 I guess I suppose do you get bonus points if 1:07:35.040 --> 1:07:37.439 you can just bonus points for sure you stand up? Yeah, okay, 1:07:37.520 --> 1:07:39.560 if you stand up in less than eleven seconds from 1:07:39.560 --> 1:07:44.080 a seated position, that's great, you're good. You pass the test. 1:07:44.160 --> 1:07:46.040 Grip strength a little more different because you need a 1:07:46.080 --> 1:07:48.400 special instrument to do that. But again, you know, if 1:07:48.400 --> 1:07:50.520 you can carry five bags of groceries, if you can 1:07:50.600 --> 1:07:52.800 pick up aunt gallon of paint, would probably be a 1:07:52.840 --> 1:07:54.919 good test, right, A good hold on for a while, 1:07:55.040 --> 1:07:57.200 hold out for three or four hours, and then see 1:07:57.680 --> 1:07:59.400 because if you don't make it four hours, you're probably 1:07:59.440 --> 1:08:02.280 going to die. That's really the test right there, now, 1:08:02.440 --> 1:08:03.560 if you did, I mean a lot of people have 1:08:03.640 --> 1:08:05.640 pink cans around something like that. Long, I like a 1:08:05.640 --> 1:08:07.840 couple of minutes. A minute, I mean a minute is 1:08:07.880 --> 1:08:09.880 a good test for anything. Yeah, yeah, just so you 1:08:09.960 --> 1:08:11.960 get plank for a minute, you're fine. You don't need 1:08:11.960 --> 1:08:12.680 a plank any yeah. 1:08:12.880 --> 1:08:15.200 Yeah, And that's the that's the important part for strength 1:08:15.280 --> 1:08:18.200 training is you know, it's again we just talked about force, 1:08:18.240 --> 1:08:20.840 which is that quick movement, which is it has its place, 1:08:21.240 --> 1:08:23.200 and then you have strength, which is kind of doing 1:08:23.240 --> 1:08:24.840 things for a little bit longer. And then you have 1:08:24.960 --> 1:08:28.000 the endurance stuff, which is your cardio. All of those 1:08:28.120 --> 1:08:30.400 in combination will help you live a longer life and 1:08:30.479 --> 1:08:33.200 a better life as well. So the most you can do, 1:08:33.400 --> 1:08:36.120 especially if you have limited time, getting a workout in 1:08:36.280 --> 1:08:39.920 that does all of those that that focuses on strength, 1:08:40.000 --> 1:08:43.040 that focuses on cardio to a certain degree, that focuses 1:08:43.080 --> 1:08:46.040 on balance and power. So doing quick movements, slow movements, 1:08:46.120 --> 1:08:47.559 all of it will be important for your help. 1:08:47.640 --> 1:08:47.800 Yeah. 1:08:47.840 --> 1:08:49.479 Yeah, just keep moving. That's a goal. If you want 1:08:49.479 --> 1:08:51.320 to live longer, got gotta move and if you have it, 1:08:51.400 --> 1:08:52.880 you can start. You can can you reverse a hands 1:08:52.920 --> 1:08:53.400 of time with us? 1:08:54.200 --> 1:08:56.360 Reverse is tougher than it is to slow down the 1:08:56.439 --> 1:08:59.120 hands of time? So this is this is really about 1:08:59.160 --> 1:09:01.640 slowing down the time of the hands of time and 1:09:01.800 --> 1:09:04.679 right and honestly there we can talk about it another time. 1:09:04.760 --> 1:09:07.680 But as far as METS and VO two max, which 1:09:07.760 --> 1:09:09.639 is a big kind of thing, as far as your 1:09:09.720 --> 1:09:11.360 cardiac function back of the room stuff. 1:09:11.760 --> 1:09:11.960 Yeah. 1:09:12.640 --> 1:09:15.400 But for every met you go up, so you know, 1:09:15.560 --> 1:09:18.479 average being like eight to ten mets that we can function. Okay, 1:09:18.520 --> 1:09:20.600 for every met you can increase in your life, you 1:09:20.680 --> 1:09:24.200 actually drop your risk of dying by double digit percentage. 1:09:24.240 --> 1:09:27.320 Really, so it's huge. So yeah, maybe what's those maybe 1:09:27.320 --> 1:09:29.840 another topic? So anyway, he's a sign Jay Shave of Kriman. 1:09:29.880 --> 1:09:32.120 I'm sure you have this. Pinda your social at dine 1:09:32.280 --> 1:09:35.479 Well doc, that's your handle and he joined to show 1:09:35.479 --> 1:09:37.280 every Thursday. I appreciate you, thanks again, thank you. So 1:09:37.439 --> 1:09:39.240 all right, let me get a time out in forir so. 1:09:39.280 --> 1:09:42.240 iHeartMedia in the big one so Cincinnati's own Procter and Gamble. 1:09:42.240 --> 1:09:43.519 If you've got someone there you'd like for us to 1:09:43.560 --> 1:09:45.960 recognize on the air, just text us to a text 1:09:46.320 --> 1:09:48.200 five to one eighty eight one. That's fifty one eighty 1:09:48.200 --> 1:09:50.280 eighty one and be listening for the name. 1:09:50.520 --> 1:09:52.719 Don't want to be an American idiot. 1:09:53.760 --> 1:09:56.719 Scott's Slung Show on seven hundred WLW said that person 1:09:56.840 --> 1:09:59.160 it is helping with a purchase or service, or maybe 1:09:59.200 --> 1:10:02.519 they're in their home provide service could be a convicted felon. 1:10:03.600 --> 1:10:05.920 One in three ohioans have a criminal record, and a 1:10:05.960 --> 1:10:08.280 new bill would make it easier for them to get 1:10:08.400 --> 1:10:11.040 a job. You've heard about banned the box. This is 1:10:11.160 --> 1:10:15.280 the next extension of this, and there's a legislation working 1:10:15.320 --> 1:10:18.240 its way through Columbus and Ohio State Senator Bill Blessing 1:10:18.280 --> 1:10:20.600 from Colraine Township on the show is one of the sponsors. 1:10:20.880 --> 1:10:22.599 Welcome back, how you bet it's been a minute. 1:10:23.920 --> 1:10:24.679 Doing well, Scott. 1:10:24.760 --> 1:10:26.920 Thanks for having me. As I said before, glad the 1:10:26.960 --> 1:10:27.599 kids are healthy. 1:10:27.760 --> 1:10:30.000 Yeah, that's all we can do. They're healthy and happy. 1:10:30.080 --> 1:10:32.360 We're good. We're good. No one's in prison. We're good. 1:10:32.439 --> 1:10:35.759 What a low bar I said. Anyway, So Ohio already 1:10:35.840 --> 1:10:38.439 bans the box and public sector hiring, which basically means 1:10:38.439 --> 1:10:41.000 they can't ask you that question if you've been convicted 1:10:41.040 --> 1:10:45.280 of a serious crime or crime. Senate Bill one three, 1:10:45.320 --> 1:10:47.439 which you're co sponsoring, is going to extend that for 1:10:47.600 --> 1:10:52.400 private employers. And so this really I think he proposed 1:10:52.400 --> 1:10:54.439 this before in the past. It's really gone nowhere. So 1:10:54.840 --> 1:10:56.800 what makes this go around different? 1:10:58.200 --> 1:11:01.640 So to be fair, this when this is only the 1:11:02.320 --> 1:11:05.519 for the initial application, if you bring somebody in for 1:11:05.600 --> 1:11:09.720 a second interview, they can obviously ask about this. The 1:11:09.840 --> 1:11:12.839 difference is is that I think the business community, particularly 1:11:12.880 --> 1:11:16.920 the higher chamber, is coming around to the idea that hey, 1:11:17.720 --> 1:11:21.599 if these people can't get jobs there, you know, it's 1:11:21.720 --> 1:11:26.720 just going to correlate very badly with you know, recidivism, 1:11:26.920 --> 1:11:28.760 and these folks are just going to go back into prison. 1:11:28.800 --> 1:11:31.680 It's going to cost us all a lot more money. So, 1:11:32.200 --> 1:11:37.360 you know, they've moved into the neutral column with sub 1:11:37.400 --> 1:11:40.160 bill that we have for this. But beyond that, you know, 1:11:40.240 --> 1:11:42.240 some of the employers that are still upset about it, 1:11:42.479 --> 1:11:46.519 you know, are worried about potentially being sued. But honestly, 1:11:46.600 --> 1:11:49.840 the way this is structured, if you in order to sue, 1:11:49.920 --> 1:11:52.400 you have to file a complaint with the Civil Rights Commission. 1:11:52.479 --> 1:11:54.599 They have to at least try to work this out, 1:11:55.040 --> 1:11:57.320 and that's you know, in order for you to sue, 1:11:57.360 --> 1:11:59.040 they have to sign off on it. So there's so 1:11:59.120 --> 1:12:02.040 many checks and balances in here. It's like, what are 1:12:02.080 --> 1:12:02.400 we doing? 1:12:03.040 --> 1:12:05.960 Yeah, okay, now that makes a lot of sense. And 1:12:06.320 --> 1:12:08.960 this is co sponsored too, it's the Democrats. That's bipartisan. 1:12:09.080 --> 1:12:11.240 And if that's the case, can you get enough Republicans 1:12:11.280 --> 1:12:13.439 on board to get this thing through? 1:12:14.560 --> 1:12:14.720 Oh? 1:12:15.200 --> 1:12:19.000 I think so in fact, the chairman, Senator Kyle Kaylor, 1:12:19.080 --> 1:12:23.080 has done just Yaleman's work on this, and he's an 1:12:23.080 --> 1:12:26.519 employer and he's had guys that he didn't realize were 1:12:26.560 --> 1:12:29.439 felons when he hired them, and they were thirty forty 1:12:29.479 --> 1:12:33.479 year veterans of his business. So he's keenly interested in 1:12:33.600 --> 1:12:35.640 getting this done. I think a lot of folks in 1:12:35.720 --> 1:12:39.040 my caucus are at that point where they're ready to. 1:12:39.040 --> 1:12:41.240 Pull the trigger on this because it's fine. 1:12:41.439 --> 1:12:44.160 Yeah. So it's still, as you said, allows background checks 1:12:44.200 --> 1:12:46.880 after the initial application. So you felt the application, They 1:12:46.920 --> 1:12:49.599 can't ask you that on the screening application. If you're qualified, 1:12:49.640 --> 1:12:52.560 you can then sit down, maybe during an interview and 1:12:53.600 --> 1:12:56.840 answer that question face to face. Is that meaningful enough though, 1:12:56.880 --> 1:12:58.760 to change outcomes for ex offenders? Because I had a 1:12:58.800 --> 1:13:00.280 pool of people, would you air in the had a 1:13:00.320 --> 1:13:03.160 caution going, well, I've got three people. Maybe this person's 1:13:03.160 --> 1:13:05.160 a little better, but the criminal record, I'm worry about it. 1:13:05.520 --> 1:13:06.720 Maybe I hire somebody else. 1:13:08.240 --> 1:13:09.800 Yeah, I mean, I'm not. 1:13:09.880 --> 1:13:11.400 Going to be the first to say that this is, 1:13:11.760 --> 1:13:14.439 you know, an earth shattering reform here. That's going to 1:13:14.479 --> 1:13:16.360 mean you know, tons for a lot of people, But 1:13:17.000 --> 1:13:21.600 there has been sort of a growing issue over the 1:13:21.720 --> 1:13:25.160 past five ten years of you know, the use of 1:13:25.160 --> 1:13:29.479 an algorithm to scrape the web and find, you know, 1:13:29.680 --> 1:13:31.920 if somebody was convicted of a felony or something like 1:13:32.000 --> 1:13:36.120 that and just basically automatically reject these folks and not 1:13:36.240 --> 1:13:38.960 even give them an opportunity to get their foot in 1:13:39.040 --> 1:13:43.200 the door. So, even if it is an inconvenience for employers, 1:13:43.360 --> 1:13:47.960 I do think it blocks that use of algorithm, you know, 1:13:48.120 --> 1:13:50.200 to deny these folks right out of the gate. That 1:13:50.320 --> 1:13:51.960 in and of itself I think is worth something. 1:13:52.479 --> 1:13:55.880 Right, is there a exposure legally for the business owners. 1:13:55.960 --> 1:13:57.479 Let's say I hire someone who is in I take 1:13:57.479 --> 1:13:59.519 a chance on somebody who is a convicted felon and 1:13:59.560 --> 1:14:02.040 they promise you they're straight, and you know, they commit 1:14:02.160 --> 1:14:05.599 some sort of well they reoffend commit another felony. What's 1:14:05.640 --> 1:14:08.240 the liability and the part of the business owner? So 1:14:08.680 --> 1:14:12.600 that now there is some protection in the bill for this. 1:14:13.320 --> 1:14:16.040 And the idea is, if you're if this bill were 1:14:16.120 --> 1:14:19.640 to pay ass let's say that the employer was going 1:14:19.720 --> 1:14:24.880 to be sued for you know, negligent hiring or negligent supervision. 1:14:25.640 --> 1:14:28.360 You know this this criminal background that they. 1:14:28.280 --> 1:14:31.599 Were no longer allowed to look for on that first 1:14:31.640 --> 1:14:35.479 application cannot be considered in that civil action. So they 1:14:35.560 --> 1:14:39.880 do have some degree of a liability shield here. 1:14:40.000 --> 1:14:43.240 Right with that that makes sense because you know, again 1:14:43.320 --> 1:14:46.560 it's the Ohio Department of Corrections, meaning we're correcting the behavior, 1:14:47.320 --> 1:14:51.479 and allegedly you reform these folks. Not almost always that's 1:14:51.520 --> 1:14:54.479 not the case, but they try to reform people. You know, 1:14:54.560 --> 1:14:56.479 if they come out, I don't know, it seems like 1:14:56.520 --> 1:14:58.479 the state's not doing their job the correction. That's a 1:14:58.680 --> 1:15:01.200 that's a pretty strong indictment. Well that's not on the 1:15:01.240 --> 1:15:03.479 business owner. If I heard somebody who you corrected their 1:15:03.520 --> 1:15:07.080 behavior and clearly your corrections do not work. So the 1:15:07.160 --> 1:15:09.439 state is really to blame in that case. 1:15:09.560 --> 1:15:12.040 Right, Oh yeah, And that's and that's one of the 1:15:12.120 --> 1:15:15.639 reasons why you know, myself and my my joint sponsor 1:15:15.960 --> 1:15:17.960 and even you know a lot of the advocates that 1:15:18.160 --> 1:15:19.800 you know are on on the left side of the 1:15:20.160 --> 1:15:24.280 political spectrum all said, yeah, we're we absolutely agree with with. 1:15:24.400 --> 1:15:27.640 Giving you guys some liability protections on this absolutely. 1:15:27.760 --> 1:15:27.920 Yeah. 1:15:27.960 --> 1:15:30.680 The bill also it bars employers from considering arrest not 1:15:30.960 --> 1:15:35.360 followed by conviction. That's a pretty important provision. Yeah, the 1:15:35.479 --> 1:15:38.160 idea being that if that occurred, but you know. 1:15:38.640 --> 1:15:41.559 You you weren't convicted of anything, was dismissed or something 1:15:41.600 --> 1:15:44.960 to that effect, you know, that shouldn't be used against you. 1:15:45.120 --> 1:15:46.679 I think that's definitely reasonable. 1:15:46.720 --> 1:15:49.080 Yeah. I know the Governor, Mike Dwaine is publically encourage 1:15:49.080 --> 1:15:52.000 employers to hire ex offenders. Have you had yourself, Bill 1:15:52.040 --> 1:15:55.800 Blessing conversations with his office or maybe about people who 1:15:56.400 --> 1:15:58.240 were offenders and they want to try and get a job, 1:15:58.280 --> 1:16:01.280 get their life back together. But but in speaking with 1:16:01.320 --> 1:16:05.040 the governor, is that pretty strong in these days? Is 1:16:05.080 --> 1:16:06.120 his word still kind of the way? 1:16:06.200 --> 1:16:09.880 Being a lame duck that he is, So I have 1:16:10.000 --> 1:16:13.120 to confess I have not reached out his administration on this. 1:16:13.960 --> 1:16:17.000 We were just seeing where it goes in committee. And admittedly, this, 1:16:17.320 --> 1:16:19.439 as you had pointed out earlier, this has failed a 1:16:19.520 --> 1:16:22.800 number of times, and you know, the thought was, well 1:16:22.840 --> 1:16:25.599 let's just give it, you know, you know, a different 1:16:25.680 --> 1:16:29.400 path maybe this time and make it by partisan But 1:16:29.600 --> 1:16:32.439 I think his his you know, he does carry some 1:16:32.560 --> 1:16:35.920 weight still despite being a lame duck governor, and you know, 1:16:36.040 --> 1:16:38.479 his support for a bill like this I would welcome 1:16:38.520 --> 1:16:40.920 and I think it would move some members of the 1:16:41.000 --> 1:16:41.679 General Assembly. 1:16:41.960 --> 1:16:45.000 Yeah. Again, it is Ohio Senator Bill Blessing on the 1:16:45.040 --> 1:16:47.559 show from Cole Raine, and he is co sponsoring legislation 1:16:48.280 --> 1:16:52.160 that would make it easier for convicted felons to get 1:16:52.200 --> 1:16:54.360 a job in Ohio. One of three Ohioans have a 1:16:54.400 --> 1:16:56.719 criminal record of some sort and one of the questions 1:16:56.760 --> 1:16:59.960 they may ask you is whether or not you're convicted, 1:17:00.080 --> 1:17:01.920 and that, of course is going to prohibit a company 1:17:01.960 --> 1:17:05.000 from taking a chance in hiring that person for obvious reasons. 1:17:05.040 --> 1:17:06.760 But you know, look at the day and age which 1:17:06.760 --> 1:17:09.560 we live now, Bill Blessing, President Trump was elected and 1:17:09.720 --> 1:17:11.360 us a Republican know this on One of the big 1:17:11.439 --> 1:17:13.519 things he's going to do is handle the immigration crisis. 1:17:13.560 --> 1:17:15.840 And we've kind of closed the border off and now 1:17:15.920 --> 1:17:17.880 you know, with ice raids and everything else, it's pretty 1:17:17.880 --> 1:17:21.919 clear we're we're losing immigrants. But these people provide services 1:17:22.120 --> 1:17:24.479 and fill jobs that are much needed in our society 1:17:25.000 --> 1:17:26.760 with fewer coming in. If you're taking those jobs, we 1:17:26.880 --> 1:17:29.800 have to go to other sources to get people to 1:17:29.920 --> 1:17:32.479 fill those jobs. I think I think this goes hand 1:17:32.479 --> 1:17:32.920 in hand with. 1:17:32.920 --> 1:17:35.400 That oh yeah, one hundred percent. 1:17:35.520 --> 1:17:38.560 And you know it also bolsters, you know, some of 1:17:38.640 --> 1:17:42.639 the good work that like Mea Maya Manufacturing does where 1:17:42.640 --> 1:17:47.320 they hire almost exclusively ex convicts, And I think I 1:17:47.439 --> 1:17:51.320 think once some of the stigma goes away on this, 1:17:51.560 --> 1:17:53.360 I think we're going to be all right because we've 1:17:53.400 --> 1:17:55.080 been as you said, we've been doing this in the 1:17:55.120 --> 1:17:58.240 public sector for a while and there haven't been any 1:17:58.439 --> 1:18:01.040 at least to my knowledge, catastrophe issues there. I don't 1:18:01.040 --> 1:18:03.479 think there will be for this, and hopefully you can 1:18:03.479 --> 1:18:04.400 get across the finish line. 1:18:04.439 --> 1:18:04.599 Yeah. 1:18:04.680 --> 1:18:06.559 Yeah, but I know there's still some small business groups 1:18:06.600 --> 1:18:08.880 out there. You said that the Chamber is kind of 1:18:08.920 --> 1:18:11.120 neutral on this, not foreign nor against, but there are 1:18:11.120 --> 1:18:13.439 other ones that say this is an undue economic burden 1:18:13.479 --> 1:18:15.040 on employers any ancident. 1:18:15.160 --> 1:18:16.400 Yeah, that's correct. 1:18:16.520 --> 1:18:20.160 I mean the NFIB is the National Federation of Independent Business. 1:18:20.240 --> 1:18:23.600 They are they are still opposed, and you know, we 1:18:23.760 --> 1:18:26.240 were trying to work with them, and well I shouldn't. 1:18:26.240 --> 1:18:28.519 They were are still working with them to say, hey, 1:18:28.640 --> 1:18:32.200 maybe maybe the employment threshold, we can increase it from 1:18:32.840 --> 1:18:36.240 you know, having at least five employees to maybe fifteen 1:18:36.400 --> 1:18:39.160 or twenty or something to you know, help them out, 1:18:39.200 --> 1:18:41.759 because I get it, you know, suing a smaller employer 1:18:41.880 --> 1:18:44.160 it can be way more devastating than it can be 1:18:44.439 --> 1:18:47.479 like going after like a Google or something like that. 1:18:47.800 --> 1:18:50.400 But this legislation sounds like it it remedies that. 1:18:51.960 --> 1:18:55.320 I mean, well, I mean there's still they still technically 1:18:55.400 --> 1:18:58.240 can be sued. The difference is is that there's so 1:18:58.560 --> 1:19:01.920 many hurdles. I mean again, like if you you have 1:19:02.120 --> 1:19:05.280 to complain, file a complaint with the Civil Rights Commission, 1:19:06.160 --> 1:19:09.200 they have to try to work something out with the employer, 1:19:09.960 --> 1:19:13.320 and you know, at the very end, if they if 1:19:13.400 --> 1:19:16.720 the Civil rates Civil Rights Commission decide, hey, we're going 1:19:16.800 --> 1:19:19.960 to give you the right to sue, that's when they 1:19:20.000 --> 1:19:23.640 can finally sue the employer. So it's like there's so 1:19:23.840 --> 1:19:26.559 much that has to happen before that can even occur 1:19:27.560 --> 1:19:30.360 that I just I find it hard to believe that 1:19:30.479 --> 1:19:33.280 this is going to expose you know, a lot of 1:19:33.360 --> 1:19:35.080 businesses to significant liability. 1:19:35.320 --> 1:19:38.120 We know that in prison, Bill Blessing, you can get 1:19:38.200 --> 1:19:41.000 your ged, you can get a college degree, you can 1:19:41.040 --> 1:19:44.040 get certification and training in different areas. When you get out, 1:19:44.080 --> 1:19:47.640 you can have a job. How other than that, and 1:19:47.680 --> 1:19:50.560 I don't know how many inmates tit partake in those programs. 1:19:50.640 --> 1:19:53.320 But everyone does their sentence and they get out. Is 1:19:53.400 --> 1:19:55.519 there a vetting process when they leave? Is there a 1:19:55.560 --> 1:19:57.960 certification they get? Is like, hey, these people are are 1:19:58.040 --> 1:20:00.919 workforce ready. I mean we're doing that now with employee 1:20:01.160 --> 1:20:03.679 when it comes to high school and college graduates, getting 1:20:03.680 --> 1:20:06.880 people workforce ready. But is there a program in our 1:20:06.920 --> 1:20:09.080 correction system that offers that? So I know that if 1:20:09.080 --> 1:20:11.800 I'm going to hire someone, you guys have done a 1:20:11.920 --> 1:20:14.000 job in trying to prepare them for the quote unquote 1:20:14.040 --> 1:20:15.840 real world to make sure that they stay in the 1:20:15.840 --> 1:20:16.400 straight and narrow. 1:20:17.360 --> 1:20:17.559 Yeah. 1:20:18.280 --> 1:20:18.800 Great question. 1:20:18.880 --> 1:20:20.840 I don't have an answer for it, and but I 1:20:20.960 --> 1:20:25.479 think you're one hundred percent right, especially today with you know. 1:20:25.560 --> 1:20:28.679 The demand for the building trades. 1:20:28.840 --> 1:20:32.080 My god, Yeah, I'm certified, and that that would go 1:20:32.280 --> 1:20:35.240 a very long way to solving a ton of our 1:20:35.320 --> 1:20:39.600 problems in the you know, housing and energy and transportation 1:20:39.680 --> 1:20:40.479 in the structure world. 1:20:40.600 --> 1:20:40.760 Yeah. 1:20:40.760 --> 1:20:42.120 I mean, if you did that, then you can, like 1:20:42.160 --> 1:20:45.080 you mentioned, NEMIA manufacturing does a great job, but you know, 1:20:45.280 --> 1:20:48.200 you're it's they're open about it. I think you know 1:20:48.320 --> 1:20:50.320 that's not something I think the employer of constructor, and 1:20:50.320 --> 1:20:52.320 maybe they would because we need bodies in the trades. 1:20:52.439 --> 1:20:54.680 Is like, hey, you know what we're we're you know, 1:20:55.680 --> 1:20:58.439 we're former inmate friendly and you get to work around people. 1:20:58.520 --> 1:21:00.800 But maybe you have somebody the job that's more of 1:21:00.880 --> 1:21:03.080 a role model or a mentor to keep those people 1:21:03.160 --> 1:21:04.479 on the street. It's kind of like a you know, 1:21:05.880 --> 1:21:09.439 I suppose an alcoholics program program for alcohol drug abusers, 1:21:09.479 --> 1:21:11.360 or a twelve step program where you've got a sponsor 1:21:11.400 --> 1:21:13.000 and you've got someone. I'm sure they do that, but 1:21:13.320 --> 1:21:15.240 it sounds like that would be a great avenue to 1:21:15.400 --> 1:21:17.839 get these folks in an environment where they don't reoffend. 1:21:18.880 --> 1:21:21.560 Oh yeah, one hundred percent. And in fact, you know, 1:21:21.880 --> 1:21:24.720 to some degree, I'm kind of jealous of their prospects 1:21:24.760 --> 1:21:27.519 here with the building trades. I mean, if you talk 1:21:27.600 --> 1:21:30.160 to some of these folks, I mean, they can't they 1:21:30.240 --> 1:21:34.400 can't hire enough exactly, you know folks you know is electricians. 1:21:34.439 --> 1:21:37.719 I mean, I have mixed feelings about the data centers, 1:21:38.240 --> 1:21:42.240 but the demand for those folks in those particular projects 1:21:42.439 --> 1:21:43.640 is unprecedented. 1:21:43.800 --> 1:21:46.280 Yeah. We also talk in republics often about your welfare. 1:21:46.320 --> 1:21:49.760 We got a wealth reducing welfare costs that certainly would 1:21:49.760 --> 1:21:51.280 help do this because you know, I mean, leave it 1:21:51.400 --> 1:21:53.280 you go, You're you've got a record, no one wants 1:21:53.280 --> 1:21:55.040 to hire you. You're probably going to fall back into 1:21:55.040 --> 1:21:56.320 the crowd that got you in prison in the first 1:21:56.360 --> 1:21:58.800 place because you have no options, or you fall back 1:21:58.840 --> 1:22:01.439 on your public assess since that's not good. Either way, 1:22:01.880 --> 1:22:03.439 this makes a lot more sense. Do you think this 1:22:03.560 --> 1:22:07.040 may have an impact on the social services element? 1:22:07.360 --> 1:22:07.799 Certainly. 1:22:08.280 --> 1:22:10.400 I don't actually have the number off the top of 1:22:10.479 --> 1:22:13.439 my head, but I mean somebody who is gainfully employed, 1:22:13.960 --> 1:22:17.599 who has private insurance versus somebody who can't find work, 1:22:18.160 --> 1:22:22.880 you know, is on medicaid public assistance generally, that I 1:22:22.920 --> 1:22:25.599 mean that is going to be a very expensive difference 1:22:25.640 --> 1:22:27.679 for the state. And you know, when you add state 1:22:27.720 --> 1:22:34.160 and federal dollars, Medicaid is our largest expenditure and anything 1:22:34.240 --> 1:22:36.840 we can do to reduce that number is going to 1:22:36.960 --> 1:22:38.719 have a significant effect on our budget. 1:22:38.920 --> 1:22:40.800 Yeah, no doubt. We talk about saving money, and of 1:22:40.840 --> 1:22:42.920 course locking people up is very expensive as well. The 1:22:43.000 --> 1:22:44.519 best thing we can do is get people in the 1:22:44.560 --> 1:22:48.280 workforce and producing, paying taxes and taking care of themselves 1:22:49.080 --> 1:22:51.360 is ultimately the goal here, and that's what we should 1:22:51.360 --> 1:22:52.960 be pushing for and I think this is going to 1:22:53.000 --> 1:22:55.519 help move the needle in the right direction or remove 1:22:55.600 --> 1:22:57.320 that stigma to some degree. I mean, hell, when one 1:22:57.360 --> 1:22:59.439 in three people have a record no IO, that tells 1:22:59.479 --> 1:23:01.680 you something is you know, you can't you can't get 1:23:01.760 --> 1:23:04.479 rid of you know, a third of the eligible workforce population. 1:23:04.600 --> 1:23:07.840 We need them. And relative to welfare, let's face facts. 1:23:07.840 --> 1:23:10.360 You know, a huge number of women are behind bars 1:23:10.400 --> 1:23:12.800 now more than ever before, and so they tend to 1:23:12.920 --> 1:23:15.560 rely on welfare and social services more than men do. 1:23:16.640 --> 1:23:17.599 Yeah, that's right. 1:23:17.680 --> 1:23:19.920 And a lot of these folks are you know, people 1:23:19.960 --> 1:23:22.639 who were drug addicted. You know, when once they get 1:23:22.680 --> 1:23:25.880 on the straight and narrow, you know, now what I mean, 1:23:26.680 --> 1:23:28.760 those folks need to have that opportunity to be able 1:23:28.800 --> 1:23:32.280 to participate in the economy to the fullest, fullest extent possible. 1:23:32.360 --> 1:23:34.599 So yeah, I agree, all right, So let's fast forward, 1:23:34.880 --> 1:23:37.040 Senator Blessing to maybe five years from now. 1:23:37.080 --> 1:23:38.719 What does success look like with this program? 1:23:40.000 --> 1:23:43.479 Honestly, success, I mean it doesn't even if it's just 1:23:43.600 --> 1:23:46.720 a small number of people that this has benefited. I mean, 1:23:47.000 --> 1:23:49.920 it's to me, it's worth it. I don't see this 1:23:50.200 --> 1:23:51.679 going in the wrong direction. 1:23:53.080 --> 1:23:53.360 At all. 1:23:53.400 --> 1:23:55.280 I mean, I guess there could be a possibility of 1:23:56.320 --> 1:23:59.639 something gone wrong or somebody was hired who did something, 1:23:59.720 --> 1:24:03.560 but that that sort of thing can happen anyway, I 1:24:03.880 --> 1:24:07.439 have a feeling this is actually going to help. It's 1:24:07.439 --> 1:24:09.080 not going to be a ton, but it is going 1:24:09.200 --> 1:24:12.519 to I think, reduce the strain on our budget. I 1:24:12.600 --> 1:24:14.920 think it's going to add more folks to the workforce. 1:24:15.040 --> 1:24:17.719 I think employers are going to be able to find 1:24:18.200 --> 1:24:21.800 workers more easily, especially as we have to address our 1:24:21.880 --> 1:24:25.000 aging infrastructure. So in the end, I think it's going 1:24:25.040 --> 1:24:29.000 to be great. In terms of trying to measure the impact, 1:24:29.080 --> 1:24:32.360 that's probably unknowable, but it's one of those things that 1:24:32.520 --> 1:24:35.320 just philosophically, we can say that this is going to 1:24:35.400 --> 1:24:35.680 work out. 1:24:35.680 --> 1:24:37.559 Well, now we need bodies to show up to work. 1:24:37.560 --> 1:24:41.479 Everyone complains there's nobody working anymore. Well, you know, we've 1:24:41.560 --> 1:24:44.439 expelled a bunch of immigrants and we've deterred them from 1:24:44.520 --> 1:24:46.320 just so we've got to fill that with something. And 1:24:46.400 --> 1:24:48.760 it might be you know, convicted felons who want to 1:24:48.800 --> 1:24:51.040 turn their lives around, and we should be opening the doors. 1:24:51.160 --> 1:24:54.479 I'm given me a second or third chance. Case may be, yeah, 1:24:54.560 --> 1:24:56.920 but I think there, let's face it, we know enough 1:24:56.960 --> 1:24:59.639 about this. There's a large percentage of that prison population 1:25:00.120 --> 1:25:01.800 that don't want to be reformed. And I guess if 1:25:01.800 --> 1:25:03.680 I'm an employer, how am I? How do I know 1:25:03.800 --> 1:25:05.559 that person's just you know, checking a box and going 1:25:05.600 --> 1:25:07.600 to resume their criminal lifestyle, and time me into it 1:25:07.840 --> 1:25:09.840 first as someone who really wants to turn their life around. 1:25:09.840 --> 1:25:11.760 I guess that is the chance you have to take. 1:25:11.760 --> 1:25:15.559 If you're a business owner. Yeah, that's right, I suppose. 1:25:16.600 --> 1:25:18.120 So you're feeling good about it this time. I know 1:25:18.240 --> 1:25:20.559 we've this has been out there and introduced. It seemed 1:25:20.560 --> 1:25:22.760 like a cycle after cycle after cycle' been doing this 1:25:22.800 --> 1:25:26.080 a long time without success. It's bipartisan, which, of course 1:25:26.160 --> 1:25:28.680 these days feels like it's really really rare. Is this 1:25:28.800 --> 1:25:29.840 time the magic term? 1:25:31.120 --> 1:25:34.240 I think? So we've had, you know, more than just 1:25:34.439 --> 1:25:37.720 the you know, proform sponsor testimony at the end of 1:25:37.800 --> 1:25:42.599 the General Assembly, I have an enthusiastic chairman in favor 1:25:42.680 --> 1:25:45.960 of this. We've gotten, you know, I think it's four 1:25:46.040 --> 1:25:50.759 hearings at this point. The Chamber going neutral is utterly huge. 1:25:50.840 --> 1:25:53.519 They've been opposed to this in the past, but I 1:25:53.600 --> 1:25:57.479 think they are changing their mindset on this, and I 1:25:57.600 --> 1:26:00.640 do wonder actually if that's related into some of the 1:26:01.040 --> 1:26:03.560 data center buildouts that they're like, my god, we just 1:26:03.800 --> 1:26:08.559 we just need employees. At this point, I think there's 1:26:08.640 --> 1:26:12.240 a good shot that this gets done this cycle. 1:26:12.360 --> 1:26:15.120 And frankly, I would be just. 1:26:15.479 --> 1:26:17.120 Over the moon if we could get it out of 1:26:17.200 --> 1:26:19.639 a chamber that would have been that would be farther 1:26:19.800 --> 1:26:22.280 than this is gotten in easily twenty years. 1:26:22.360 --> 1:26:24.519 Okay, well, I'm figures crossed. I mean, you know, we 1:26:24.600 --> 1:26:26.960 need the bodies. And again, if you did your time 1:26:27.040 --> 1:26:28.640 and you really want to turn your life around, you've 1:26:28.640 --> 1:26:30.720 got to show me something. And part of that's, you know, 1:26:30.880 --> 1:26:32.960 give them a chance and letting them get a job 1:26:33.040 --> 1:26:34.760 and see if they can't keep their head above water. 1:26:35.080 --> 1:26:38.439 Senator Bill Blessing, co sponsor of this from a cold 1:26:38.479 --> 1:26:40.800 Raine township, thanks again for joining the show. I appreciate you. 1:26:40.880 --> 1:26:41.120 Be well. 1:26:41.160 --> 1:26:41.960 We'll talk again soon. 1:26:42.840 --> 1:26:44.040 Likewise, Thankscott, take care. 1:26:44.160 --> 1:26:46.439 Good piece of legislation in my opinion. Coming up next 1:26:46.479 --> 1:26:48.360 on the show, My wife is in Michelle Sloan. We 1:26:48.439 --> 1:26:50.040 talked about, you know, some pumps this time of years 1:26:50.040 --> 1:26:52.479 is running non stop. Something else you need to know 1:26:52.560 --> 1:26:55.280 about that has to deal with your basement. It's not 1:26:55.520 --> 1:26:58.400 a pleasant topic. We'll get into that next afternoon seven hundred. 1:27:00.080 --> 1:27:02.920 The buying and selling of homes isn't for the timid 1:27:03.080 --> 1:27:03.519 or meek. 1:27:04.200 --> 1:27:07.840 The real estate world can be a vicious jungle, playing 1:27:08.040 --> 1:27:12.519 with dangers and pitfalls. Thank god we've got Remax time 1:27:12.560 --> 1:27:18.120 agent Michelle Sloan, the fearless real tour of Sloan, sellshomes 1:27:18.160 --> 1:27:21.360 dot Com, and the Queen of the real estate Jungle. 1:27:22.680 --> 1:27:25.920 It's Real Estate Time with Michelle Sloane on seven hundred. 1:27:26.000 --> 1:27:29.000 Gallau wel jal all right, good morning, my dear, what's new? 1:27:30.160 --> 1:27:31.000 Hello, my king? 1:27:31.280 --> 1:27:31.680 How are you? 1:27:32.240 --> 1:27:33.640 I was a good night the other night at the 1:27:33.680 --> 1:27:36.240 Northern Kentucky Convention Center for Fat Tuesday. Do you know 1:27:36.280 --> 1:27:39.479 how much money we raise for Marty Graph for Homeless 1:27:39.520 --> 1:27:41.240 Kids twenty twenty six? Did you hear much? 1:27:41.400 --> 1:27:42.840 I did not know how much. 1:27:42.880 --> 1:27:47.240 Two hundred and fifty thousand dollars. Nice quarter million dollars 1:27:47.360 --> 1:27:49.360 raised on Tuesday night. That was awesome. 1:27:50.320 --> 1:27:53.760 It is always such a great event. And I mean 1:27:54.000 --> 1:27:56.880 the food is great, the drinks are great, the music 1:27:57.040 --> 1:28:00.720 was amazing from BBA and my girl Melissa read. I mean, 1:28:01.680 --> 1:28:04.839 so so great everything. 1:28:05.960 --> 1:28:08.920 Yeah, Tom Brenneman's strutting around like a peacock last couple 1:28:08.920 --> 1:28:11.160 of days because he's taking full credit and we had 1:28:11.160 --> 1:28:13.640 two hundred and fifty grand and I think that's the 1:28:13.720 --> 1:28:16.240 most ever we got on auction night. And he's taken 1:28:16.240 --> 1:28:18.360 because he you know, this is his first year as 1:28:18.720 --> 1:28:21.600 MC along with Sarah, and now he's taking credit. He 1:28:21.720 --> 1:28:22.519 thinks he thinks he has. 1:28:22.880 --> 1:28:24.840 What Tom looks sharp. 1:28:25.080 --> 1:28:25.360 He did. 1:28:26.920 --> 1:28:28.080 It was a cool looking jacket. 1:28:28.200 --> 1:28:31.280 Ye, he was colorful. If you haven't seen the photos, 1:28:31.439 --> 1:28:34.040 they're all over online and stuff. But I've got a 1:28:34.280 --> 1:28:37.639 picture on mine on my Facebook stage. He looks sharp. 1:28:38.040 --> 1:28:39.280 I thought that was pretty great. 1:28:40.000 --> 1:28:42.880 Yeah, yeah he did, he'd absolutely. It was like it's 1:28:42.880 --> 1:28:44.960 a tuxedo too, like a tuxedo jacket, but it was 1:28:45.000 --> 1:28:48.599 a Marty Gras kind of designed to us really wild. Yeah, 1:28:48.600 --> 1:28:52.240 I got you got Tom Brennanman kind of money, you know, Oh, 1:28:52.400 --> 1:28:56.000 I know, I can't afford that Tom Brendman has. You 1:28:56.080 --> 1:28:58.720 have Tom Brenneman money, you can have custom upholstery done 1:28:58.800 --> 1:28:59.479 like that on his box. 1:28:59.720 --> 1:29:02.559 I have to tell you, so this is this may 1:29:02.680 --> 1:29:05.200 not be appropriate for the radio. I'm not sure, but 1:29:05.840 --> 1:29:08.240 so I gave Tom a hug, and he was wearing 1:29:08.360 --> 1:29:14.160 the giant Marti Gras balls the necklace, and I squeezed 1:29:14.240 --> 1:29:16.360 him and I broke one of his balls. 1:29:18.360 --> 1:29:19.519 The necklace. 1:29:19.840 --> 1:29:22.000 And I've been breaking Tom's balls for almost a year now, 1:29:22.120 --> 1:29:26.160 so pretty good. So what are we talking about today today? 1:29:27.080 --> 1:29:30.280 Well, you know what, there was a situation that happened 1:29:30.320 --> 1:29:32.479 at one of my houses this week, so I wanted 1:29:32.520 --> 1:29:35.479 to talk about it. We're constantly talking about check your sumpump, 1:29:35.600 --> 1:29:38.720 check your sump up, so that's old news, but we 1:29:38.920 --> 1:29:44.400 haven't really talked about how when you're the backup of 1:29:44.520 --> 1:29:49.680 your floor drains in your basement and sewer lines back up. 1:29:49.920 --> 1:29:50.120 Yep. 1:29:50.920 --> 1:29:53.599 And this is a real thing in Cincinnati because parts 1:29:53.600 --> 1:29:56.920 of Cincinnati still operate with the combined sewer systems, meaning 1:29:57.000 --> 1:30:01.120 that the storm water and the sewage sheer pipe, so 1:30:01.560 --> 1:30:03.840 all of that water is rushing, all of the ground 1:30:03.920 --> 1:30:07.120 water is rushing. We had all that snow melt and 1:30:07.640 --> 1:30:11.720 it impacted at least one of my clients pretty severely. 1:30:12.479 --> 1:30:16.920 So their drain backed up, the sewage backed up. They 1:30:16.960 --> 1:30:22.720 had about three inches of sewage in their basement. And 1:30:22.880 --> 1:30:27.720 so that is nasty, nasty, and it's not something that 1:30:27.840 --> 1:30:30.519 anybody wants, but there's some things that you can do 1:30:30.720 --> 1:30:34.120 to look out for before it gets to that point. 1:30:34.680 --> 1:30:38.719 And again you have to locate where that storm water 1:30:38.960 --> 1:30:42.439 where you're what is it where the drain is. 1:30:44.160 --> 1:30:46.920 Floor drain, It's always going to be the lowest drain, 1:30:46.960 --> 1:30:48.760 which is your floor drain in your basement. 1:30:49.400 --> 1:30:52.720 Correct, And so you just there's also a you can 1:30:52.800 --> 1:30:55.400 do a sewer scope because a lot of people also 1:30:55.680 --> 1:31:00.639 don't know that there's like a cap in the basement 1:31:01.320 --> 1:31:05.080 that is a direct line to the sewer line from 1:31:05.479 --> 1:31:09.479 your house to the street. And if you don't know, 1:31:10.040 --> 1:31:13.960 you know that's your that's an important access point for 1:31:14.120 --> 1:31:16.680 you to get in there to clean it out on 1:31:16.800 --> 1:31:20.519 occasions to make sure that there is no blockages. Because 1:31:21.000 --> 1:31:25.559 the old cast iron pipe that have was were installed 1:31:26.479 --> 1:31:31.040 a long time ago in Cincinnati, they corrode and that 1:31:31.520 --> 1:31:35.360 pipe gets smaller and smaller and smaller. Well, this particular situation, 1:31:36.120 --> 1:31:38.320 and I'm going to give a little shout out to Nick, 1:31:38.400 --> 1:31:41.759 the plumber who was helping me out and came right away, 1:31:42.160 --> 1:31:47.040 I mean great, great dude got it on. He knew 1:31:47.040 --> 1:31:49.080 what he was talking about. He came in with boots, 1:31:50.280 --> 1:31:52.720 he said, everybody stay out of the basement because you're 1:31:52.760 --> 1:31:58.759 just going to track the nastiness, don't You really don't, 1:31:59.720 --> 1:32:02.559 and so you know, let me take a step back. 1:32:02.680 --> 1:32:07.440 So really that the rain and the melt is overloading 1:32:07.520 --> 1:32:11.439 the system, and you may hear your toilets even gurgle. 1:32:11.880 --> 1:32:15.000 If you're hearing your toilets are gurgling, if you have 1:32:15.120 --> 1:32:18.080 a basement shower again, or any drains in the basement 1:32:18.160 --> 1:32:22.400 and they start to overflow. If you have a backwater valve, 1:32:22.960 --> 1:32:25.240 and if you have an older home, you should know 1:32:25.280 --> 1:32:28.240 where that is because that can help avoid some of 1:32:28.320 --> 1:32:31.200 that pressure. Another thing that you want to do is 1:32:31.280 --> 1:32:35.559 avoid doing lots of loads of laundry during this heavy runoff, 1:32:36.120 --> 1:32:47.439 because once you do abandon, that's important. So you really 1:32:47.560 --> 1:32:53.320 want to take a bite. 1:32:53.520 --> 1:32:55.240 We're talking. He feels like he's got a chime in 1:32:55.320 --> 1:32:55.679 his two. 1:32:55.640 --> 1:32:59.840 Cents, very upset by the situation. 1:32:59.640 --> 1:33:01.120 Just saying, well, why don't you just people go in 1:33:01.200 --> 1:33:01.880 the yard like I do. 1:33:01.960 --> 1:33:05.360 It solves a problem, right, or you know what if 1:33:05.840 --> 1:33:07.800 that happens in the basement, it's not my fault. 1:33:08.439 --> 1:33:08.960 I didn't do it. 1:33:10.479 --> 1:33:13.800 Yeah, so yeah, but you know, to reset the topic here, 1:33:13.800 --> 1:33:16.360 if you just joining the show with my wife Michelle Sloan. 1:33:17.000 --> 1:33:19.000 We're talking about the sewer backups this time of year, 1:33:19.040 --> 1:33:22.880 especially because the sewer systems are overwhelmed. Now Cincinnati's they 1:33:23.000 --> 1:33:25.800 had a agreement with the Feds obviously to move away 1:33:25.920 --> 1:33:29.519 to do separate sewer for you know, abvius sewage and 1:33:29.600 --> 1:33:31.639 then run off water two different things, the gray water. 1:33:32.479 --> 1:33:34.800 But there's still about I think forty percent of homes 1:33:34.840 --> 1:33:38.400 in Cincinnati are still combined because you know, it's gonna 1:33:38.400 --> 1:33:39.680 take a long time to figure that out. And so 1:33:39.800 --> 1:33:42.400 what that means is everything goes together and you see 1:33:42.439 --> 1:33:44.519 backups in some older homes. Now that could be because 1:33:44.520 --> 1:33:47.280 of conbined district, but a lot of cases there's these 1:33:47.320 --> 1:33:49.320 old cast iron or sometimes clay pipes, a lot of 1:33:49.400 --> 1:33:52.400 cast iron. The roots get in there, causes blockage. It's 1:33:52.439 --> 1:33:56.240 blocked irresponsible from more attaches. It's called the sewer lateral. 1:33:56.320 --> 1:33:58.320 So it goes from if you have a basement, that 1:33:58.439 --> 1:34:01.840 floor drain downstairs near your water heater or laundry air 1:34:01.920 --> 1:34:04.320 or whatever it might be. That's floor drain, lowest drain 1:34:04.360 --> 1:34:05.840 in the house. If it backs up, that's why it 1:34:05.880 --> 1:34:07.639 comes through that and not out. You know, thank god, 1:34:07.680 --> 1:34:10.360 it's basement's much better than the second floor or the 1:34:10.439 --> 1:34:13.240 living area, and so if that backs up, that's what 1:34:13.320 --> 1:34:16.879 it is. So usually you know, you're talking about the lateral. 1:34:16.920 --> 1:34:20.160 It's irresponsibily from where it connects to the publics who 1:34:20.200 --> 1:34:23.400 remain on the streets, under your sidewalk, on your front 1:34:23.439 --> 1:34:26.040 yard and eventually your your basement. There's also a clean 1:34:26.080 --> 1:34:28.360 out you mentioned that, and it looks like a big 1:34:28.560 --> 1:34:30.600 pipe with a cap on. A lot of it's now 1:34:30.600 --> 1:34:33.160 it's PVC, but because they'll be cast and it's kind 1:34:33.200 --> 1:34:35.280 of like it looks like, you know, four sided kind 1:34:35.320 --> 1:34:37.639 of nut on it, and that is the axis sun. 1:34:37.800 --> 1:34:39.200 A lot of cases there on the outside of the 1:34:39.280 --> 1:34:42.400 house around where the foundation is sometimes you know inside 1:34:42.439 --> 1:34:44.320 the house, but you know plumber will figure out where 1:34:44.320 --> 1:34:47.040 that is. You need to keep that clear so that 1:34:47.600 --> 1:34:49.400 in the event of that they can have an area 1:34:49.439 --> 1:34:51.880 to go in and clean the drain out. But you know, 1:34:52.000 --> 1:34:53.680 if there's roots and stuff in there, like in the 1:34:53.760 --> 1:34:57.560 case you're talking about completely collapse pipe. Two things you 1:34:57.600 --> 1:34:59.880 can do. You can the old the more expensive way 1:35:00.080 --> 1:35:01.599 to dig up the whole yard and put a whole 1:35:01.680 --> 1:35:05.160 new PVC pipe in there. From the sewer main, connecting 1:35:05.200 --> 1:35:08.080 the sewer main to your floor, drance to your lateral, 1:35:09.040 --> 1:35:11.200 or they do seer sewer lining now, which is much er, 1:35:11.240 --> 1:35:13.800 well not much cheaper, it's still cheaper. They don't have 1:35:13.840 --> 1:35:16.840 to dig out as much, not as much destruction because 1:35:16.840 --> 1:35:19.479 that adds cost and obviously a lot of work. They 1:35:19.520 --> 1:35:21.200 can actually go in and line, clean it out and 1:35:21.200 --> 1:35:23.719 then line that sewerd Right now, if it's completely collapsed 1:35:23.760 --> 1:35:25.760 and you know, it's flowing out in the air, it's 1:35:25.760 --> 1:35:26.400 a different story. 1:35:27.200 --> 1:35:30.240 Yeah, in this instance, it's going to be about a 1:35:30.280 --> 1:35:34.080 fifteen thousand dollars six because they are going to have 1:35:34.200 --> 1:35:35.600 to go into the yard. They're going to have to 1:35:35.680 --> 1:35:37.760 dig up about ten feet and then once they get 1:35:37.800 --> 1:35:40.080 in there, they're going to have to you know, is 1:35:40.160 --> 1:35:42.240 that going to be enough to be able to fix 1:35:42.360 --> 1:35:45.960 the problem, because right they sent a sewer scope, meaning 1:35:46.120 --> 1:35:50.320 just a camera down into that sewer line and at 1:35:50.400 --> 1:35:53.880 one point in the sewer line basically it went completely dark, 1:35:54.520 --> 1:35:58.160 so it was completely filled with tar. And you know 1:35:58.240 --> 1:36:01.719 that's why you also say don't flush whites, don't flush 1:36:01.840 --> 1:36:06.760 anything but toilet paper down down your toilet, because this 1:36:06.920 --> 1:36:09.000 is what could happen you can have a huge backup. 1:36:09.439 --> 1:36:12.720 And so with this situation, people don't understand and this 1:36:12.920 --> 1:36:16.080 is until it's the worst case scenario. So the homeowners 1:36:16.120 --> 1:36:18.400 on this particular property are going to be out of 1:36:18.479 --> 1:36:24.400 pocket because their insurance doesn't cover the digging outside of 1:36:24.800 --> 1:36:28.080 the sewer line and fixing that, and so that's going 1:36:28.120 --> 1:36:31.240 to be very expensive. Now what is covered at least 1:36:31.280 --> 1:36:33.839 by this particular person, You want to check your policy. 1:36:34.400 --> 1:36:38.080 But this person the inside cleanup, which could be new 1:36:38.120 --> 1:36:40.439 carpeting they might have to take out because you've got 1:36:40.479 --> 1:36:45.000 stewer sewage down there in your lower level, so everything 1:36:45.080 --> 1:36:48.519 that was touched by it is contaminated. So you may 1:36:48.640 --> 1:36:50.720 have to take out some drywall, you may have to 1:36:50.800 --> 1:36:53.360 do some repainting, like I said, you may need new flooring. 1:36:53.880 --> 1:36:56.519 It's going to be it's a total mitigation process where 1:36:56.560 --> 1:36:59.040 you have to do this cleanup and there's a crew 1:36:59.120 --> 1:37:01.400 that comes in and that it's not cheap either, but 1:37:01.640 --> 1:37:05.599 oftentimes that is covered. But you want to double check 1:37:05.680 --> 1:37:09.120 two things on your homeowner's policy because you do not 1:37:09.360 --> 1:37:12.200 want to be out that kind of money because it's 1:37:12.200 --> 1:37:16.439 a lot. Your standard homeowner's insurance policy does not cover 1:37:16.680 --> 1:37:21.679 a sewer backup. You need a specific water sewer rider 1:37:22.560 --> 1:37:27.519 on your policy, and some pump failure is completely different 1:37:27.640 --> 1:37:30.240 as well, and you may need a separate policy for 1:37:30.360 --> 1:37:33.680 some pump. Now, I think usually some pump failure is 1:37:33.960 --> 1:37:37.280 sort of included. But I think you know the way 1:37:37.360 --> 1:37:41.400 insurance companies are now, they're they're looking to do the okay, 1:37:41.479 --> 1:37:44.800 piece by piece by piece, And if you're trying to 1:37:44.880 --> 1:37:47.240 save money, you're like, I don't worry about that, don't 1:37:47.240 --> 1:37:49.639 worry about that. Well, you better worry about that, because 1:37:49.680 --> 1:37:53.160 when it does happen, it can be very, very expensive. 1:37:53.400 --> 1:37:56.920 So you know, we still will continue to say, check 1:37:57.000 --> 1:37:59.959 your some pumps because ours is running pretty much none 1:38:00.439 --> 1:38:03.120 point and it's loud, and you do want to double 1:38:03.240 --> 1:38:05.560 check a few things that you want to see. So 1:38:07.600 --> 1:38:10.240 and now it's warm today, still before the storm comes, 1:38:10.320 --> 1:38:13.720 but texting your some pump, checking your discharge lines. Make 1:38:13.800 --> 1:38:17.839 sure that your down spouts are draining away from your foundation. 1:38:18.680 --> 1:38:22.040 If you have storm drains near your property or even 1:38:22.080 --> 1:38:24.519 out by the road, try to clear them from the 1:38:24.640 --> 1:38:27.200 leaves and debris. You want to keep those open as 1:38:27.280 --> 1:38:30.519 much as possible. You know, check your basement for early 1:38:30.680 --> 1:38:35.320 damage signs. Make sure you have a battery backup, and 1:38:35.640 --> 1:38:37.920 so there's so many things that you can do. But 1:38:38.600 --> 1:38:42.360 all of this groundwater that has come and melted all 1:38:42.439 --> 1:38:46.320 at the same time could provide some foundation pressure. There's 1:38:46.360 --> 1:38:48.519 a lot of things that you can do. The other 1:38:48.600 --> 1:38:51.960 thing that is really important for me as your real 1:38:52.080 --> 1:38:56.519 estate agent is when you are buying a home and 1:38:56.640 --> 1:39:01.240 you are getting an inspection, I all always recommend get 1:39:01.439 --> 1:39:05.000 a sewer scope. It is an add on. It's going 1:39:05.080 --> 1:39:07.080 to cost an extra hundred bucks or something like that, 1:39:07.760 --> 1:39:10.040 but it's so well worth it because if you see 1:39:11.240 --> 1:39:13.840 tree roots in the line, if you see that it's 1:39:13.960 --> 1:39:16.760 you know, some of the line has been collapsed and 1:39:16.960 --> 1:39:20.120 it's full of dirt or whatever. You know, that's something 1:39:20.200 --> 1:39:23.200 you would want to ask the current own homeowner to 1:39:23.320 --> 1:39:26.040 either take care of or give you a credit so 1:39:26.160 --> 1:39:28.439 that that can be fixed so you don't have this 1:39:28.840 --> 1:39:32.160 monumental expense once you move into. 1:39:32.040 --> 1:39:33.719 It's really really good to do. Yeah, for a hundred 1:39:33.720 --> 1:39:34.920 bucks or whatever it is, and if. 1:39:34.760 --> 1:39:36.840 You're doing it, and that's an add on, I mean, 1:39:36.920 --> 1:39:39.720 so it's part of the inspection praccess and most inspectors 1:39:40.240 --> 1:39:42.160 that oh my gosh, can you hear them? 1:39:42.680 --> 1:39:43.920 Could you control that animal. 1:39:44.760 --> 1:39:47.760 I'm sorry, there's a dog outside and. 1:39:48.400 --> 1:39:50.760 He's very excited to talk to the dog, tell him 1:39:50.760 --> 1:39:53.479 about his problems. Yeah, so sewerscope, you're getting a home 1:39:53.520 --> 1:39:54.760 inspect That makes a lot of sense because that's a 1:39:54.840 --> 1:39:59.479 really really expensive propositions. I mentioned, you know, fifteen thousand 1:39:59.520 --> 1:40:01.280 dollars from more and you know, here's the thing is, 1:40:01.320 --> 1:40:03.040 people look, well, wait a minute, isn't that the sewer, 1:40:03.240 --> 1:40:06.960 isn't that the city isn't that? No, So anything from 1:40:07.040 --> 1:40:09.920 your house to where it connects, uh is gonna it 1:40:10.120 --> 1:40:13.360 is your responsibility. So that sewer lateral where from your 1:40:13.400 --> 1:40:15.880 house to the public sewer main where that that section 1:40:16.080 --> 1:40:18.200 is all you uh. And that is true when it 1:40:18.280 --> 1:40:21.120 comes to electrical as well. Sometimes people lose power. What's 1:40:21.160 --> 1:40:23.320 going on? Well, the line that runs from where the 1:40:23.400 --> 1:40:27.160 service connects to your home is your responsibility of gas. 1:40:27.240 --> 1:40:29.280 Same thing. You know, once it once it hits your 1:40:29.280 --> 1:40:31.559 house or leaves the street I guess to your house, 1:40:31.640 --> 1:40:34.120 then it is on you. So and they do sell 1:40:34.400 --> 1:40:37.200 insurance writers for that as well. I know it's the 1:40:37.439 --> 1:40:39.920 utility companies. I think Duke offers that or at least 1:40:40.000 --> 1:40:42.040 used to anyway where they say, hey, do you want 1:40:42.080 --> 1:40:44.200 the insurance that way, if something goes wrong, you're covered. 1:40:44.320 --> 1:40:47.040 So if if you're so inclined to it that way, 1:40:47.200 --> 1:40:48.720 all right, shut that dog up, would you? 1:40:50.920 --> 1:40:54.400 All right, makes way too much time. 1:40:55.520 --> 1:40:57.639 I gotta put some insulation. Sound dead. 1:40:59.720 --> 1:41:02.679 You know it's running. See that's okay. Yeah, I'm happy 1:41:02.720 --> 1:41:03.360 that it's running. 1:41:03.520 --> 1:41:06.600 Yeah, you put some rock wool and so if you 1:41:06.640 --> 1:41:08.160 got to, you know, some of it's noisy, you can 1:41:08.200 --> 1:41:10.519 put a little insulation up and uh, you know, if 1:41:10.520 --> 1:41:12.680 it's in the basement, kind of knock some of that 1:41:12.720 --> 1:41:14.200 sound down because it can't be kind of noisy if 1:41:14.240 --> 1:41:15.720 it's running a lot. But the good news isn't a 1:41:15.760 --> 1:41:19.599 few well a few weeks. It's bound completely dry as always. 1:41:19.640 --> 1:41:23.320 So yeah, during the summer. All right, I gotta go. 1:41:23.439 --> 1:41:26.679 Michelle Sloan Sloan Sales Homes, Open house Shows, Sloan sales 1:41:26.720 --> 1:41:29.479 Homes dot com. She's on YouTube and of course feed 1:41:29.520 --> 1:41:31.400 the iHeartRadio app in the podcast page. All love you 1:41:31.439 --> 1:41:32.160 gotta go, I gotta go.