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Speaker 1: Hope you're doing well. Back half of the week upon
Speaker 1: us here on this Thursday morning. If you have a kid,
Speaker 1: maybe a grandkid, maybe a nephew and niece, they play
Speaker 1: high school sports in Ohio, a new law could block
Speaker 1: them from making money off their talent. So lawmakers are
Speaker 1: working on legislation to prevent Ohio high school student athletes
Speaker 1: from earning name, image, likeness NIL compensation. Some of the
Speaker 1: key points real quick here Ohio, we are one of
Speaker 1: forty five states that allows some form of high school NIL.
Speaker 1: And the way the new proposal would work if passed
Speaker 1: in the law is a student earning compensation from an
Speaker 1: NIL deal would lose eligibility in that specific sport, but
Speaker 1: remain eligible another. So if you're a multi sport athlete,
Speaker 1: if I don't know, you get some of NIL endorsement
Speaker 1: for football, you're no longer eligible for playing that sport.
Speaker 1: We had testimony from Steve Speck, who is a coach
Speaker 1: at Dea Xavier, and Jonathan Cooper, superintendent Mason High School,
Speaker 1: testifying as proposed to the bill, they're concerned about pay to play,
Speaker 1: the culture, and also team cohesion. Joining the show is
Speaker 1: the co sponsor of this piece of legislation, That would
Speaker 1: be the esteemed Representative Adam Byrd out of New Richmond
Speaker 1: this morning on seven hundred WLW.
Speaker 2: How are you, Sonny.
Speaker 3: It's great to be with you. We've had a busy
Speaker 3: week in Columbus this week, but it's an honor to
Speaker 3: serve the people of southern Ohio.
Speaker 1: Okay, So I look at this, and you know, I'm
Speaker 1: more at libertarian, so I'll disagree somewhat. I push back
Speaker 1: on this, but the Ohio High School Athletical Associates said, like,
Speaker 1: I think it's four hundred and forty seven members schools
Speaker 1: already voted for Nile with guardrails, so why override that
Speaker 1: decision the schools made themselves.
Speaker 3: Well that's a great point, but if you take a
Speaker 3: look deeper at the number, Sony, about fifty five percent
Speaker 3: of the schools voted yes, about forty five percent of
Speaker 3: the schools voted no or abstained, and I have it
Speaker 3: on good authority with conversations that many people that voted
Speaker 3: guests didn't really want to. They held their nose and
Speaker 3: they did it because OHSAA was asking them to, and
Speaker 3: they were OHSAA is asking them to do this because
Speaker 3: of one judge in Franklin County that issued a temporary
Speaker 3: restraining order on a judgment on a kid from Dayton.
Speaker 3: So you know, it's I don't think that we should
Speaker 3: be sitting around making making decisions of this importance based
Speaker 3: on what one judge in Franklin County says.
Speaker 1: Okay, so I guess the current flame. Well, let me
Speaker 1: back up a second. We're one of forty five states
Speaker 1: that allow nil, some almost the entire country at this point.
Speaker 1: Are you concerned at all this with our student athletes
Speaker 1: at a competitive disadvantage when it comes to recruiting and
Speaker 1: visibility compared to other states.
Speaker 3: Yeah, good point on that, And I have two points
Speaker 3: on that. Number One, when you look at and I've
Speaker 3: done the research from the National Association of State Legislatures
Speaker 3: and those states that are allowing it, overwhelmingly, they are
Speaker 3: doing it because the athletic governing body has made that
Speaker 3: decision and not their state legislator. So they stayed out
Speaker 3: of it. And I think that's a problem, and and
Speaker 3: you know it's it. I think that we use that
Speaker 3: sometimes to make an argument Forlorida. And then secondly, I've
Speaker 3: spoken to Ohio State University athletic director and they don't
Speaker 3: care about this. They don't think it hurts their recruiting.
Speaker 3: I suspect University of Cincinnati and Xavier think the same
Speaker 3: thing because they're international recruiters, they're national recruiters. They get
Speaker 3: five star recruits from California, Florida, Texas all the time.
Speaker 3: So if a if a kid were to leave the
Speaker 3: state of Ohio as a high school athlete to earn
Speaker 3: nil money elsewhere, Ohio State would still be able to
Speaker 3: recruit them and get them back here.
Speaker 1: Gotcha? Do they go? What does getting it right look like?
Speaker 1: I mean, it is a total ban really necessary on this,
Speaker 1: I mean, and as it also as it tended to
Speaker 1: be in permanent. Is this just a pause while a
Speaker 1: more refined policies developed? And so what's the timeline? There
Speaker 1: A lot of elements to that question.
Speaker 3: Go ahead for sure, and so as far as the
Speaker 3: timeline of this bill goes, you know, We had a
Speaker 3: proponent testimony this week in Columbus. Next week we'll hopefully
Speaker 3: I've gotten permission from the chair of the committee to
Speaker 3: have a few more proponent testimonies. But there'll also be
Speaker 3: opportunity next week for opponents of the bills to come
Speaker 3: and testify. And so, you know, my goal would be
Speaker 3: to have this in place for next school year. And
Speaker 3: as you know, whenever the governor signed the bill, it
Speaker 3: doesn't become law for ninety days. So I've got to
Speaker 3: get this done and all the way to the Governor's
Speaker 3: desk by June in order to get it done by
Speaker 3: next school year. So that's a tough timeline. It's a
Speaker 3: big lift, and I realized that. And also as far
Speaker 3: as the bill goes, can it be changed. Of course,
Speaker 3: it can be changed as part of the legislative process.
Speaker 3: Amendments happen all of the time, so we'll see how
Speaker 3: that goes, okay.
Speaker 1: But this would be an outright ban on all of
Speaker 1: it too. And we've talked to past about this representative
Speaker 1: bird you know, the I guess critics and I'm on
Speaker 1: this side it as a as a student, don't you
Speaker 1: have a right You're really you're basically overing a overwriting
Speaker 1: a right students already legally have. You're rolling back an
Speaker 1: opportunity for minors to earn income if you're really really good.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you're an artist, if you're a musician.
Speaker 1: If you are, I don't name a scale a kid has,
Speaker 1: if you can monetize that, why just drawn on exception
Speaker 1: for sports as opposed to other ways or kids to
Speaker 1: earn money.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so there's there's a lot of there's a lot
Speaker 3: of issues here. And that's always a good question that
Speaker 3: you asked me on this smy and and so you
Speaker 3: know already you've got parents and students who are yelling
Speaker 3: at the coach demanding more time. You're you're you're costing
Speaker 3: my kid a scholarship because you're not playing them. Well,
Speaker 3: now they're going to add to that, you're costing my
Speaker 3: kid an nil deal because you're not putting my kid
Speaker 3: in the game. And uh, and so there's all clients
Speaker 3: that there's going to be all kinds of inequality and
Speaker 3: unfairantage to the rich school versus the poor school who
Speaker 3: has you know, the businesses and wealthy alumni that can
Speaker 3: afford to give an il deals you're going to have
Speaker 3: inequality when it comes to male female. We've seen that
Speaker 3: already at the college level. You've got the star versus
Speaker 3: the average kid. And we're going to give the the
Speaker 3: quarterback a big deal. Why the offensive lineman protecting yet nothing?
Speaker 3: And and then how about this mony. I talked yesterday
Speaker 3: in Columbus to a sports agent, a licensed sports agent
Speaker 3: in Ohio. These unscrupulous supports agents that are not licensed
Speaker 3: are already taking advantage of students by signing them to
Speaker 3: twenty percent deals that give the agent twenty percent of
Speaker 3: the nil money. So these kids are already going to
Speaker 3: get are already getting exploited by unscrupulous people.
Speaker 1: Well, how is someone charging the sea for their services
Speaker 1: exploiting them? I mean I could I can say the
Speaker 1: same thing about kids who work and have to pay taxes.
Speaker 1: I might have to now grated they don't, but I
Speaker 1: guess hire a tax professional because I don't know why
Speaker 1: I do. It isn't the same. You know, it's a
Speaker 1: service you have, it's you're taking a percentage of their income,
Speaker 1: which is well, you know, welcome to the real world.
Speaker 1: That's how I would say. A lot of this is like,
Speaker 1: well that's the real world working there that you know,
Speaker 1: some people are born with a skiller set and they
Speaker 1: get elevated above other people have to work on scrap.
Speaker 1: That's part of it, right.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm not talking about the fact that they get
Speaker 3: a cut. I'm talking about the percentage twenty percent. Ask
Speaker 3: Joe Burrow what he thinks about twenty percent for his agent. Uh,
Speaker 3: there's no way. NFL agents don't charge that much. It's
Speaker 3: like three or five percent. Sure, twenty percent is an
Speaker 3: outrageously exploitive amount for these sharky kinds of people that
Speaker 3: are out there hovering around kids.
Speaker 1: Well, okay, if that's the case, so why not just
Speaker 1: regulate it like you do other industries. You know, there's
Speaker 1: if you think, if you think twenty percent is confiscatory,
Speaker 1: and I mean trial attorneys which Adam, you're surrounded by them, legislature,
Speaker 1: they get thirty three percent? Is that fair?
Speaker 3: I see your point. I I you know, I just
Speaker 3: I gave you reasons before why I think that that
Speaker 3: this is not that the best for kids. Uh, they're
Speaker 3: going to be exploited. And how about kids that will
Speaker 3: probably be exploited by their own parents on this money?
Speaker 3: You know, I got your you. Let's say I took
Speaker 3: you to the game. I'm going to siphon off some
Speaker 3: of this. You know, we have child labor laws in
Speaker 3: America for a reason because kids have been exploited for years,
Speaker 3: and I think they're going to get exploited in this
Speaker 3: way too.
Speaker 1: If a I don't know. Okay, So let's not talk
Speaker 1: about what you talk about parents exploiting kids for financial gain.
Speaker 1: There are kids who work on farms or kids who
Speaker 1: work in restaurants. What's the difference.
Speaker 3: Well, uh, you know that's part of part of the
Speaker 3: family heritage for sure. And uh, this is this is
Speaker 3: totally different. We're talking about destroying You've seen the direction
Speaker 3: that College Nil has taken that that game, and it
Speaker 3: is moving in the wrong direction. And we should learn
Speaker 3: from the mistakes of the past. And you know when
Speaker 3: you see things like the University of Cincinnati quarterback leaving
Speaker 3: Cincinnati to go to Texas Tech, not because of a
Speaker 3: certain program or better educational opportunity, but so that he
Speaker 3: can get a five and a half million dollar deal,
Speaker 3: which is, by the way, is more than Shaudur standards
Speaker 3: is going to make in its entire five years old
Speaker 3: doubt right with the Browns.
Speaker 1: Well, God bless America. If you can get that money,
Speaker 1: get that money, get that paper. I'm one hundred percent
Speaker 1: behind that. If you have a skill that no one
Speaker 1: else has and you can make money off it, it's
Speaker 1: your name, it's your image, of your likeness. I just
Speaker 1: don't see why that. You know, the argument in God
Speaker 1: Bless Them. I know Steve Speck at Saint x I
Speaker 1: was talking about this in this testimony that it may
Speaker 1: ruin team cohesion and a pay to play culture. But
Speaker 1: guess what that's outside that. I think that horse has
Speaker 1: already left the barn. Representative Adam Bird out of New
Speaker 1: Richmond in that parents are the ones responsible this because
Speaker 1: I mean, we we train. You know, look at you.
Speaker 1: You know, if you're a dad, you want your kid
Speaker 1: to be an next athlete, the next Joe Burrow, something
Speaker 1: like that. And then there's kids that want to be
Speaker 1: the next Joe Burr, probably more than dad wants them
Speaker 1: to be. They're gonna invest money. If you have the
Speaker 1: money in trainers, you're gonna have in coaches and clinics
Speaker 1: and all these things. And you know, if you're a
Speaker 1: kid who doesn't have the means, you can't if for
Speaker 1: your family can't afford that. Yet at the same time,
Speaker 1: it's it's like this whole thing is driven by that culture.
Speaker 1: The sports clude how the people who are testified against
Speaker 1: it get paid public money and bard to create these
Speaker 1: programs that cause that disparity in the first place. I mean,
Speaker 1: their whole job is basically to arrange athletics, which used
Speaker 1: to be a way for kids to be engaged in
Speaker 1: school and maybe get out of the house and have
Speaker 1: an activity. And now it's you know, every parent thinks
Speaker 1: their kid is the next Joe Burrow or Lebron James,
Speaker 1: and that we know that to be the case, but
Speaker 1: you can't tell mom or dad that they have travel
Speaker 1: teams and everything else. Parents have created this culture because
Speaker 1: they've emphasized that that's really important in their lives.
Speaker 3: Well, again, we go back to the reason why these
Speaker 3: programs exist, why we spend public money on providing these programs.
Speaker 3: You mentioned the pay for coaches, which by the way,
Speaker 3: is not that much. Most coaches are getting paid about
Speaker 3: two dollars an hour, And so we do that because
Speaker 3: it's an extension of the classroom. We want to teach
Speaker 3: them teamworking character and discipline and communication and leadership and
Speaker 3: all of these things, fitness and and so that's the
Speaker 3: reason it's an extension of the classroom. It takes you
Speaker 3: a better employee in the future, a better leader in
Speaker 3: the future, and that's the reason why we do that.
Speaker 3: And we have to protect the amateur status of these
Speaker 3: of these things. And if you want to go make
Speaker 3: money off of your your skills, then go to college
Speaker 3: a year early and earn innil money, go to the Olympics,
Speaker 3: go to a sports a professional sports league. And so
Speaker 3: I think it's really important that we protect you.
Speaker 1: I guess I just don't understand how that underminds all
Speaker 1: this because, as I said, you know, you have kids
Speaker 1: from different economic backgrounds, kids that the haves and have nots,
Speaker 1: and that that's that's got a source attention among kids
Speaker 1: as well. I think that's just part of well society,
Speaker 1: that's just part of assimilation to the society in it.
Speaker 3: So, I mean, did you play on a football or
Speaker 3: basketball team?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 1: No football, no basketball. I was baseball, hockey and basically
Speaker 1: just staying around by myself.
Speaker 3: Well there you go. I mean, so you have played
Speaker 3: on some team sports and you're going to create problems
Speaker 3: within that locker room. But when you had the star
Speaker 3: versus the average player, the average play I mean, football
Speaker 3: is the greatest team sport ever imagine. And of course
Speaker 3: I would put hockey in there too, But but you're
Speaker 3: going to you're going to create problems in that locker room.
Speaker 3: You're going to dissolve team cohesion. It's going to be
Speaker 3: a mess. You're going to have kids who were playing
Speaker 3: time so that I can get.
Speaker 1: But don't you have that? But don't you have that
Speaker 1: now we're kids? Don't you have that?
Speaker 5: Now?
Speaker 1: Where kids are going for college scholarships. I mean, there
Speaker 1: are kids who are talented or are going to go
Speaker 1: on and play, and there's kids who are just on
Speaker 1: a bench warmers are crying out a lot like me.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, well, you're ready. That conflict's already built in,
Speaker 1: it's already there.
Speaker 3: And now you're going to make it worse. And so, yes,
Speaker 3: there are there are kids who want to play, they
Speaker 3: want an opportunity, and now you're going to be blaming
Speaker 3: the coach. Uh And who's going to want to do that, sloany,
Speaker 3: who's going to want to go put up with that crap?
Speaker 3: You're already yelling at me because your kid's not that good.
Speaker 3: But yet you're blaming me, and now you're blaming me
Speaker 3: that your kid's not getting in IL money.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, but again that's a culture parents helped create,
Speaker 1: schools leaned into it as well. Let's say it may
Speaker 1: make it worse, but them are the rules, right, Yeah, I.
Speaker 3: Got to protect amateur system.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't. I think amateurism has gone out the
Speaker 1: window early. I mean everything has. Everything's for sale now
Speaker 1: these days. And I think also too. You know, private schools,
Speaker 1: public schools already on an even footing and recruiting. Does
Speaker 1: this address that disparity because you know they're schools in
Speaker 1: the listening area. We know that they wind up going
Speaker 1: in hitting kids from across the country to come to
Speaker 1: school there. They take care of mom and dad with
Speaker 1: jobs whatever it might be. And you know that's that's
Speaker 1: also exploitable, exploitative. Does it address that?
Speaker 3: Are you talking about high school kids? I'm talking about
Speaker 3: high school or college?
Speaker 1: I'm talking about how I'm talking about high school?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that should not be happening. It is, and it's
Speaker 3: exactly right, that's what I'm talking about here. They're not
Speaker 3: allowed to do it, but yet they're doing it. Anyway.
Speaker 3: And so do you think that OHSAA, who's supposed to
Speaker 3: be governing the recruiting or monitoring the fact that recruiting
Speaker 3: is not supposed to happen, you think they're going to
Speaker 3: be able to now add nil and add that into
Speaker 3: their ability to police. I just don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't either. But it's like prohibition. We weren't able
Speaker 1: to enforce prohibition. Any time we ban something for a
Speaker 1: moral cause, and it's you know, you're just gonna have
Speaker 1: more black market. You're gonna make the problem worse. It's
Speaker 1: going to be you know, you think the twenty percent
Speaker 1: from an agent's kind of CD, imagine the backdoor deals
Speaker 1: that are going to get done that are getting done
Speaker 1: now or even prior to this whole thing. Isn't it
Speaker 1: going to make it worse?
Speaker 3: No? No, we're trying to protect what we have. And
Speaker 3: if you're a student who is so talented, uh okay,
Speaker 3: I'm okay if you go to another state and apparently
Speaker 3: Ohio State University is okay with it too because they
Speaker 3: know they can still recruit you back. And uh, you know,
Speaker 3: we're trying to protect what has been an awesome learning
Speaker 3: opportunity and growth opportunity. You know, schools are about a
Speaker 3: producing a workforce for business, the business community, growing kids
Speaker 3: so that they can be great and contributing members of
Speaker 3: our society here in America. And you're going to create
Speaker 3: winners and losers. You're going they're going to view it
Speaker 3: as a job, and you're going to create more inequality
Speaker 3: and uh and and how about this leading uh exploitation
Speaker 3: of kids who shouldn't really even be allowed. They're not
Speaker 3: legally allowed to sign a contract without their parents, and
Speaker 3: this is this is a problem.
Speaker 1: All the parents would be the stewards of that. Again,
Speaker 1: you know, we we we should be allowed to make
Speaker 1: we no one's got the layers we open the show
Speaker 1: up with. No one really has the instruction to be
Speaker 1: the perfect parent. So I don't know if mom and
Speaker 1: dad are supervising. I guess I don't have a problem
Speaker 1: with that. I got to leave it at that. He
Speaker 1: is representative ad and Berta new Richmond always enjoy the
Speaker 1: conversation in the in the debate over this, and I
Speaker 1: know you're open mind enough to go, well, I want
Speaker 1: to hear from student athletes. I want to hear from
Speaker 1: other people besides those who are against us. As well,
Speaker 1: and then formulate good legislation for the people, which I love.
Speaker 1: Ad I'm all the best. Thanks for jumping on this morning.
Speaker 1: I really appreciate it.
Speaker 3: Hey, thanks, and I also want to throw a shout
Speaker 3: out to my joint sponsor with me on this bill,
Speaker 3: Mike Odioso from Green Township on the west side of
Speaker 3: Hamilton County. He's doing a great job with this bill.
Speaker 3: And we're going to have opponent testimony in Columbus next week, Fanny,
Speaker 3: so we'll see who shows up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well let's follow up after that. See maybe
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe it cause you to rethink some
Speaker 1: positions or reinforce them. So I know you, you know
Speaker 1: you want to get it right. I appreciate that about you.
Speaker 1: Thanks again, buddy.
Speaker 3: It might also cause might also cause you to rethink.
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm you know what, I I wanted to change
Speaker 1: my opinion in my mind. Absolutely, give me some evidence
Speaker 1: is to why it's so bad we need to do this,
Speaker 1: and yeah, sure I'm open my enough to do it.
Speaker 1: So it's awesome. I appreciate me. Thanks again. All Right,
Speaker 1: we gotta get a news update. I want to talk
Speaker 1: about this more after the break here and maybe you
Speaker 1: don't have a dog in the hunt with your kid,
Speaker 1: or maybe you did at one point, or you know,
Speaker 1: it's such a bularizing issue. I just I guess I
Speaker 1: got some pushback, and I'll start with this, the idea
Speaker 1: that this destroys team cohesion. Didn't have time to really
Speaker 1: pick that apart, but I will after the break, and
Speaker 1: we'll get your calls and thoughts about this. Whether you
Speaker 1: should kids and their families be allowed to make these
Speaker 1: financial decisions engage in a contract in which they're compensated
Speaker 1: for the name, image and likeness in high school sports.
Speaker 1: Simple question, but a complex issue. We'll get your calls
Speaker 1: in afternoons on seven hundred WW Welcome to it, Scott's
Speaker 1: loan here with you on seven hundred W LW just
Speaker 1: had and my thanks to Representative Adam Bird out of
Speaker 1: New Richmond, Ohio lawmaker who is co sponsoring legislation that
Speaker 1: would block kids from making money off their talent when
Speaker 1: it comes to name, image and likeness. So it's a
Speaker 1: very very small person. Well, a lot of kids play sports,
Speaker 1: but a very small percentage of those kids not only
Speaker 1: go on to college, but even a smaller population are
Speaker 1: going to wind up getting money. So this really affects
Speaker 1: very very few people not to make a big deal
Speaker 1: out of this thing. But I know the libertarian side
Speaker 1: of me is so dead set against this.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 1: One of the things that was testified on the part
Speaker 1: of the coach at Saint X and also the superintendent
Speaker 1: Mason City Schools were that this, if you allow kids
Speaker 1: to take money for their namage and the likeness, that
Speaker 1: it is going to destroy team cohesion. And I just
Speaker 1: I couldn't stress more in my opinion that logic does
Speaker 1: not hold up. Doesn't team cohesion already breakdown over playing time,
Speaker 1: coaching decisions, personality conflicts. Yeah, you could go, well, pay
Speaker 1: it's just going to make it worse, okay, but you
Speaker 1: if that's the construct already, basically you're punishing someone because
Speaker 1: they have I think they were having a god given
Speaker 1: ability to dribble a basketball or throw a football. You know,
Speaker 1: if one player lands I don't know, a local car
Speaker 1: dealership deal, does that How does that really destroy the
Speaker 1: locker room more than the star player getting on the
Speaker 1: playing time or the coaches sew on or whoever it
Speaker 1: might be your favorite, which happens now. And on top
Speaker 1: of that, as I said, some players already have more.
Speaker 1: You you know, if your folks have money, you're gonna
Speaker 1: have better equipment, You're gonna have private trainers, you're gonna
Speaker 1: have showcases, you can go to Nannile doesn't create inequality
Speaker 1: in high school sports. Moms and dads do, and the
Speaker 1: nature of society does. It doesn't make inequality, It just
Speaker 1: makes it more visible, I guess. And the idea is that, well, okay,
Speaker 1: if you want to do that, just go to college.
Speaker 1: Just declare early, go to college early. All right, Well,
Speaker 1: if it's so back, college already proves as manageable.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 1: Granted, there are a lot of warts. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of problems, but anytime you initiate something new and there's
Speaker 1: there's a change, there's gonna be problems with it. I'm
Speaker 1: not denying that it's if not saying it's perfect, but
Speaker 1: it proves it's manageable. College teams have massive anile disparities
Speaker 1: between players and they still win championships, they still build culture,
Speaker 1: they still develop leaders. There's still going to be walk
Speaker 1: ons that don't even get a scholarship, and yet there's
Speaker 1: guys getting paid. So yeah, you can it's being done now.
Speaker 1: I think the real cohesion killer in my opinion, and
Speaker 1: maybe if you're no you played high school sports or
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Speaker 1: cohesion killer coaches an administrator, so ones that just testified
Speaker 1: saying this is a bad idea. They treat student athletes
Speaker 1: as unpaid assets. Schools profit from their performance. That that's
Speaker 1: the cohesion problem right there, isn't it. If you say, hey,
Speaker 1: you can't make money off your nameagine license and you are,
Speaker 1: let's face, at the top of the town, especially in
Speaker 1: you know, maybe smaller communities, especially because you are literally
Speaker 1: the biggest star in the city and you're sixteen seventeen
Speaker 1: years old, that's okay if you're going to look at
Speaker 1: that person and go, wow, I'm jealous, and it's unfair
Speaker 1: they get the playing time at all recognition. It's the
Speaker 1: old it's the old construct about you know, the head
Speaker 1: of the cheerleading squad and the captain of the football team.
Speaker 1: Day right, mister and missus most popular. Yeah, the doors
Speaker 1: are going to open for you're gonna get treated differently.
Speaker 1: There's parents, there's teachers, there's people, there's teammates that are
Speaker 1: going to if you're the superstar, maybe they want to
Speaker 1: hang around you that someday you go, hey, you know
Speaker 1: I used to put you know, you know Joe Burrow. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I played with him in high school. He's on my team.
Speaker 1: Oh cool, Well, kids want to be around that, and
Speaker 1: I guess too. The flip side of this is a
Speaker 1: kid who lands in nil deal becomes more invested and
Speaker 1: more visible and more accountable for a public brand. And
Speaker 1: I think that can strengthen commitment to a team, not
Speaker 1: weaken it. Like you can get stuff done if you
Speaker 1: have that kind of juice, which is good for all
Speaker 1: your team mates. I think, really what we have here,
Speaker 1: and once again it's the hierarchical society. You know, the
Speaker 1: cohesion argument is going to stroy a team collesion. To me,
Speaker 1: it's really about control. So who loses control when athletes
Speaker 1: gain economic agency when they have agency? Well, the schools do,
Speaker 1: the system does, the coaches do, And you know, we
Speaker 1: don't like that. But the idea that it destroys team cohesion,
Speaker 1: I just I don't buy that and you know, all
Speaker 1: due respect to those who testify because they are professionals
Speaker 1: in the field. But tell me I'm wrong. It's it's
Speaker 1: about control. It's not about trying to protect team integrity.
Speaker 1: My god. You know it's a high school volleyball team
Speaker 1: or you know football, and you know we live or
Speaker 1: die by sports. Sure, but that's that's something that we created.
Speaker 1: Is consumers. That's not the case. If the kid can
Speaker 1: profit from that, they should profit from it because we
Speaker 1: created the whole environment the allowed that to happen. It's
Speaker 1: funny because the schools are going to put you know,
Speaker 1: Mason High School. My kids went there, and you know,
Speaker 1: you've got fireworks, you've got home and away uniforms. It's
Speaker 1: a big deal because it's a big school. But you're
Speaker 1: the ones who created that environment where it's ultra competitive
Speaker 1: and you know you want to be perfect and win
Speaker 1: all your games and okay, well this is just an
Speaker 1: extension of what it is you want in the first place.
Speaker 1: It gives you out if you can hang I guarantee.
Speaker 1: You know, you drive by high school and they've got
Speaker 1: the banners of the senior baseball players up, basketball players football,
Speaker 1: right like if if Joe Burrow went to your high school.
Speaker 1: If Lebron Lebron James High School an accurate I guarantee
Speaker 1: you they've got all sorts of things saying, hey, Lebron
Speaker 1: went to school here. Isn't that exploiting the name image
Speaker 1: of the likeness of the same person you want to
Speaker 1: prevent from exploiting their image and likeness. It's it's it's
Speaker 1: a laughable argument. In Centerville, Denny first up on the
Speaker 1: show on seven hundred w W high been.
Speaker 7: That's going this morning?
Speaker 1: What's up?
Speaker 7: Well on the nil for high school? I think you
Speaker 7: have to look at what it's done in the college level,
Speaker 7: especially football. You know, every Saturday afternoon when you're watching
Speaker 7: the game, you hear about, well, this quarterback here this year,
Speaker 7: but last year he was at this college the year
Speaker 7: before that year college. So that's that's the that's the
Speaker 7: part of problem is college it's tough I think for
Speaker 7: for coaches. I think it's tough for everybody.
Speaker 3: Uh N.
Speaker 8: I l.
Speaker 7: Comes down to the fact when you put that in
Speaker 7: kids Weston is not at the school, But how much
Speaker 7: money can I make and how much time do I
Speaker 7: get to play? And then the other problem is going
Speaker 7: from one school to the other, which somebody brought up
Speaker 7: about the kid in date Wayne High School that started.
Speaker 3: This with suit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, Well, now he.
Speaker 7: Is going up to Big Walnut, which is North US
Speaker 7: And the reason he's going there is he's one hundred
Speaker 7: miles away from Wayne, so he does not have to
Speaker 7: sit out the last half of the season and not
Speaker 7: participate in postseason games because he's that far away, right,
Speaker 7: And now they're just more money. Now you can take
Speaker 7: that locally. Let's say you've got a kid who's a
Speaker 7: great linebacker at Caft High School, great linebacker, he's a freshman,
Speaker 7: and you've got you people.
Speaker 1: With money at Edwin Hills, yep.
Speaker 7: And they approach that family and say, look, why don't
Speaker 7: you come out here. We'll put you up in an apartment.
Speaker 7: We'll pay you big bucks right there, yep.
Speaker 1: And that's just and it's going on right now. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's been going on for a long time. That happens
Speaker 1: here in Cincinnati, it happens in Dayton, it happens all
Speaker 1: over the country. It's happening right now.
Speaker 7: But when but when that is, when that is discovered,
Speaker 7: then there's penalties to pay.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know what they don't. Here's the thing.
Speaker 1: You could find that at all these PURTI you could
Speaker 1: find that. But my question is, I right, well, how
Speaker 1: hard are you looking? I don't think they're looking that
Speaker 1: hard any because it upsets the system. They haven't played.
Speaker 7: Oh Ohio High School is a skeletal crew up there.
Speaker 7: I mean, they don't.
Speaker 1: Why do you think that is? They don't. They don't
Speaker 1: when I'm looking at the rocks. They don't want to.
Speaker 1: You know, you've got your member schools. You don't want to.
Speaker 1: You don't want to piss people off. I mean, these
Speaker 1: are you know, the parents and the boosters are what
Speaker 1: we're talking about here.
Speaker 7: And they don't have money. And you talk about school
Speaker 7: systems making money. Yeah on a football player. I mean
Speaker 7: you figure what it costs to come into a high
Speaker 7: school football game. Eight eight dollars. There's not a lot
Speaker 7: of there's not a lot of revenue there for that school. No.
Speaker 1: But but but you know what, I think there's an
Speaker 1: element of prestige they benefit from because is if you
Speaker 1: have a first round draft pick, that kid's banner is
Speaker 1: going to be They're going to use that all over
Speaker 1: the place for marketing. It's you know, maybe they're not.
Speaker 1: You're going, well, how are they profiting from it? Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's again you're using their name injus and likeness.
Speaker 1: You're benefiting from it and they're not. That's I think,
Speaker 1: ultimately what I have the problem with. Hey takes the call.
Speaker 1: Tony opens up a line at five one, three, seven, four, nine, seven,
Speaker 1: eight hundred, the big one.
Speaker 8: You know.
Speaker 1: Here's the other thing is okay, well just go college.
Speaker 1: You'll look at the call, you know, I mean, what
Speaker 1: under minds the whole argument is, and this is because
Speaker 1: of me and you just the money's flowing. The NCAA
Speaker 1: and member schools. They generate in excess of nineteen billion
Speaker 1: dollars a year in total affect or revenue. And this
Speaker 1: is across all all divisions. And of course, you know,
Speaker 1: the power five control a majority of that. You know,
Speaker 1: Ohio State is like two hundred and fifty million in
Speaker 1: revenue from you know, the gaming right, the whole thing
Speaker 1: that that's that's an incredible amount of money. And you know, okay,
Speaker 1: is that a lot less than high school?
Speaker 7: Sure?
Speaker 1: It is, absolutely it is. But we used to talk
Speaker 1: about college athletics. Oh my gosh, it's the last chance
Speaker 1: to be an amateur, and there wasn't. I mean, schools
Speaker 1: are making huge money off these guys and girls and
Speaker 1: none of what's coming back down. I mean, legitimately, it's
Speaker 1: an issue of fairness, Like, wait a minute, I'm making
Speaker 1: you all this money, and I think you should also
Speaker 1: factor in that college degree as well, that you're getting
Speaker 1: education that should go towards your salary, so to speak,
Speaker 1: with money you're making. But you know, tell me I
Speaker 1: can't sell a jersey. I can't, I can't. You know, Hey,
Speaker 1: it's the Ohio State that was so silly. You know
Speaker 1: I won a bowl game. I always told my jersey.
Speaker 1: I'm in trouble for that. Wait, wait, what you're making
Speaker 1: like nineteen billion dollars. Ohio State's making two hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty million dollars. They're paving the athletic facilites of gold
Speaker 1: bricks for crying out loud, and you're telling me, the
Speaker 1: guy who got them there, that you can't get anything.
Speaker 1: It's just so silly. Well, no, you're an amateur. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're an age. They want you to be an amateur
Speaker 1: so they can keep all the money. Money. It's just
Speaker 1: it makes no sense and natural. This is gonna translate
Speaker 1: down to high school. Now, you know we're talking about
Speaker 1: this and it just it affects such a small percentage
Speaker 1: of kids, you know, your typical student athlete. What are
Speaker 1: you gonna get? You know, in rural Ohio, the local
Speaker 1: whippy dip is gonna we'll give you unlimited whippy, We'll
Speaker 1: give you unlimited softies and you when you need some smoothie. Okay, fine, yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll do that. That's you know you're gonna get. You
Speaker 1: make it a little. Maybe it's a local car dealership.
Speaker 1: You're gonna give you, what, five hundred bucks a month
Speaker 1: maybe something like that. Any agent gets twenty percent of that, Okay?
Speaker 1: Is that life changing money? No, it's pocket money, is
Speaker 1: what it is. Why, well, who's that hurting? It's destroying
Speaker 1: the fabric of the team. Oh my god, God, the
Speaker 1: pearl clutching with this is just it's too much. It's
Speaker 1: simply too much. You know, we got March Madness coming up,
Speaker 1: and the TV deal with them is what over a
Speaker 1: billion a billion dollars a year. I mean, that's that's insane.
Speaker 1: And you're telling me can't have a percentage of that?
Speaker 5: Now?
Speaker 1: Is it a lot less or high school? Sure? What
Speaker 1: are You're streaming some things and maybe some of the
Speaker 1: bigger schools get on cable or access or you know,
Speaker 1: maybe that will be monetized in the future. But you know,
Speaker 1: if my kid had a god given ability through work
Speaker 1: or otherwise and they're going to wind out if they
Speaker 1: can get money for that, it's you know, it's a
Speaker 1: free market. It's Republicans so specially we talk about the
Speaker 1: free market, the free market. Well, this is a free market, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's going to ruin things.
Speaker 9: Who is it?
Speaker 1: What's it ruining exactly? It just I don't know. It
Speaker 1: feels like it is a it feels like it's in
Speaker 1: solution in search of a problem when you look at
Speaker 1: the great impact of this whole thing at five point
Speaker 1: three seven four nine, seven thousand. Let me roll with
Speaker 1: Alex and Mason next on the Scotsland Show.
Speaker 4: Alex, what's up, good morning, Scott, thanks for taking my call.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I think is you know, it's a unique and.
Speaker 9: A great situation when a keyid can allow and have
Speaker 9: the opportunity to allow himself and his stamming to have
Speaker 9: an opportunity for a better school, better situation, and it's
Speaker 9: just like you know what I'm saying in the NCAA's
Speaker 9: they want to go out to the they want to
Speaker 9: target the kids for making all this money. But nobody
Speaker 9: want to say anything about these conferences. Who are are
Speaker 9: going taking these these schools out of them, out of
Speaker 9: alignments and making these power conferences and create these huge
Speaker 9: TV rights and these huge TV deals and so forth,
Speaker 9: making billions and.
Speaker 4: Nobody talking about that. But like you said, you know
Speaker 4: what I'm saying, we created it, We created all this.
Speaker 9: And these schools, you know what I'm saying, they get
Speaker 9: together and create these these powerfiul conferences. They pull Big
Speaker 9: twelve schools and put them in their se sue, put
Speaker 9: them in the in the in the uh big ten
Speaker 9: and create these power conferences for what So they can
Speaker 9: generate more.
Speaker 1: Money and more well, and the thing they want to
Speaker 1: protect the money and you know, for high schools and
Speaker 1: the money thing's interesting and I think it's in particular
Speaker 1: where we talk about this is just with athletes. But okay,
Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe you're in a high school band,
Speaker 1: right and you're really really really good, and like you've
Speaker 1: got a recording contract, or somebody's a YouTube or Instagram
Speaker 1: or TikTok influencer and they're making incredible money. Should schools
Speaker 1: kick them out of I don't know, business class or
Speaker 1: music class because they're professionals and especially you know he
Speaker 1: mentioned the Olympics. Hell, look a look at the hockey team.
Speaker 1: They're professionals. Already. We were allowing professionals to play in
Speaker 1: the Olympics, and it makes it gets more eyes on
Speaker 1: the Olympics. What's wrong with that?
Speaker 9: Scott is Also you look at sports like baseball and
Speaker 9: tennis and golf.
Speaker 4: These high school.
Speaker 9: Kids are good enough now that they can play in
Speaker 9: they can get endorsements, and they do get endorsements, right,
Speaker 9: and they get pro contracts and some get get drafted,
Speaker 9: but they don't who the eligibility.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it makes it makes absolutely no Like look at
Speaker 1: Charlie Woods. I'm not quite sure where Charlie Woods goes.
Speaker 1: Tiger Woods son and great golfer and all that, but like,
Speaker 1: you know, he's at high school, probably a private high school.
Speaker 1: But like, how many people are interested in that school?
Speaker 1: Are sending their kid to school there because well that's
Speaker 1: where Charlie Woods went and they've got a great golf program.
Speaker 1: Maybe they do, Maybe they aren't no, but it's going
Speaker 1: to be a lure for them, isn't it correct?
Speaker 4: They use it as advertising.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, yeah, you know, maybe we transferred to
Speaker 1: the district to be able to do that. Hey, Alex,
Speaker 1: thanks for the call. I appreciated A five one three, seven,
Speaker 1: four nine, seven thousand. Over to Alisa in Westchester. Next
Speaker 1: on the show, Good morning, Good morning, what's up? What
Speaker 1: do you got?
Speaker 10: So there's so many different layers. There's so many different
Speaker 10: layers to this money that's being dispersed. Number one, these
Speaker 10: kids are going to school, probably for free.
Speaker 5: And in my.
Speaker 10: Opinion, you know, based on some of the interviews that
Speaker 10: these athletes are doing, you know, whether they're in college
Speaker 10: or whether they're pro they can't even conduct a conversation.
Speaker 10: They can't have a an educated conversation. So are they
Speaker 10: being pushed through the system that they're getting free education
Speaker 10: for now we're going to give them money.
Speaker 8: On top of that.
Speaker 10: But hey, guess what, the guy who's just going to
Speaker 10: that college because he wants to go to that college
Speaker 10: has to pay a lot more money because he's got
Speaker 10: to pay for these other people and you know, use
Speaker 10: the money for the college.
Speaker 1: Well, they kind of I mean again, this is more
Speaker 1: of a This is more of a you know, the
Speaker 1: Power five conference where they were, you know, Ohio statementson
Speaker 1: makes like a quarter million, that's all. That's a lot
Speaker 1: of money, right, Yeah, I mean I hear what you're saying.
Speaker 1: But it's kind of always been that way that an
Speaker 1: athlete will come in and get a scholarship. But that, again,
Speaker 1: isn't that compensation. It used to be that was the compensation,
Speaker 1: and now they're like, well, when you're maybe that used
Speaker 1: to be, but now you're talking about tens of billions
Speaker 1: of dollars in TV revenue. We want a piece of that.
Speaker 1: And that's the disparity we're talking about. So, yeah, you're
Speaker 1: compensated by getting a degree, but okay, we've allowed that
Speaker 1: to happen since long before we were here. Lisa, did
Speaker 1: that screw up the relationship between student and student athletes
Speaker 1: and some kids out scholarship since Sun didn't. I mean,
Speaker 1: we're splitting the hairs here, I think is the issue.
Speaker 1: I got to go, Hey, thanks to the call. I
Speaker 1: appreciate I got to get a news update, and when
Speaker 1: we return to the show, we'll switch it up. Scott
Speaker 1: Stein is here. You know, smart classes they've been around
Speaker 1: for a while. They kind of like, we're hot for
Speaker 1: a minute. Google Glass that came out, and now they're
Speaker 1: really getting some traction now and as we talk about
Speaker 1: AI and the integration of technology to our bodies, the
Speaker 1: glasses thing is really starting to take off. There's seemed
Speaker 1: some big numbers of this. And you know, we also thought, oh,
Speaker 1: that's going to be the future. You don't have a
Speaker 1: phone anymore now you've got the glasses. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: that's happening right now, but this this, whatever we did
Speaker 1: this time around, I think we're more accepting of it
Speaker 1: when it came to that. So anyway, we'll talk to
Speaker 1: Scott sign from CNET about this coming up. What you
Speaker 1: needed about the smart class is really that the future?
Speaker 1: Do you need them? I love tech stuff and hopefully
Speaker 1: you do too. We'll do that next on the show
Speaker 1: on seven hundred Since then, do you want to be.
Speaker 5: An American idiot? Why?
Speaker 1: I'm Scott Film Thanks to check on my show here
Speaker 1: on seven hundred WW and available right afterwards on the
Speaker 1: podcast or the iHeartRadio app. And of course you can
Speaker 1: dream there take us with you wherever you go. Arguably
Speaker 1: one of the biggest trends in tech smart glasses. You know,
Speaker 1: we talk a lot about AI, but those two things
Speaker 1: are intertwined, and they tried it years and years ago.
Speaker 1: Google Glass didn't really take off, and now it really
Speaker 1: is starting to. And you think about just having those
Speaker 1: things on your face and what it allows you to
Speaker 1: do to see, to record of course, you know videos,
Speaker 1: big deal, but also you know navigation for example, and
Speaker 1: identifying things along the street. It's an extension. It's going
Speaker 1: to extension of your brain, but it's also going to
Speaker 1: be a huge extension in AI, and it's really headed
Speaker 1: this way. Joining the show this morning on seven hundred
Speaker 1: WLW scott Stein, our friends from CNET in scott Stein. Welcome,
Speaker 1: how you been. I'm doing well. You know, years and
Speaker 1: years ago they came out of Google Glass, right, they
Speaker 1: came out and like, oh man, this is going to
Speaker 1: be a game changer, and then it kind of faded away,
Speaker 1: and now all of a sudden it's back like Gangbusters?
Speaker 1: What what what happened in the last few years?
Speaker 2: I know following it since then. I reviewed Google Glass
Speaker 2: way back, so I've been following the ups and downs,
Speaker 2: and a lot of times it's like VR headsets too.
Speaker 2: These things kind of have cycles where they become trendy
Speaker 2: and then and then drop out. So in the past
Speaker 2: three years, the big thing, as everyone heard endlessly is
Speaker 2: AI and the hype around that, and also some of
Speaker 2: the possibilities are driving what's happening in these classes now.
Speaker 2: That's where the big players like Google and Meta are focused.
Speaker 2: So that's kind of the why of it. But what's
Speaker 2: interesting is that there are capabilities that are now becoming,
Speaker 2: like you said, really possible. When when I were Google
Speaker 2: was over a decade ago, people thought I was doing
Speaker 2: those things and it couldn't actually do them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And there's a distinction, of course between the AR
Speaker 1: and vr ee wear and smart classes and the difference
Speaker 1: of course being ars mars of the headset that you
Speaker 1: don't see, you know, it's a virtual world you're looking
Speaker 1: at as opposed to a pair of glasses with help
Speaker 1: you know, like the rate of the any of the products.
Speaker 1: Now you can get a prescription for these things and
Speaker 1: it's a regular set of glasses, and so that's the
Speaker 1: difference between the two. Do you see those things merging
Speaker 1: in the future as that can be set that on the.
Speaker 2: Horizon, that's totally the goal for companies, you know, and
Speaker 2: that's been true for a long time. If you remember
Speaker 2: the company Magic Leap people were trying to come up
Speaker 2: and Microsoft's HoloLens, they were trying to come up with
Speaker 2: these ideas of having these holograms in the world, like
Speaker 2: Star Wars people refer to Tony Stark's glasses. You can
Speaker 2: see it. They're not able to get there, still not
Speaker 2: able to get there yet, because it's a really tough obstacle.
Speaker 2: But there are some glasses that are plugged in that
Speaker 2: are getting really close to that. There's one that I
Speaker 2: looked at coming next year made by Google and a
Speaker 2: company called x Reel, called Project Aura. They're going to
Speaker 2: change the name next year, I'm sure, but it basically
Speaker 2: is like a little portable VR mixed reality headset. Their glasses.
Speaker 2: You put them on and you can see apps floating
Speaker 2: all around you and three D things and use your
Speaker 2: hands to control it. And that's a tethered thing that
Speaker 2: you don't wear all all the time. Right's portable. But
Speaker 2: but in the meantime, there's a lot of companies that
Speaker 2: are making wireless ones that kind of are like smart
Speaker 2: watches for your face. So some of them are already
Speaker 2: out there. Meta has a ton of them with ray
Speaker 2: bans that have really good audio and they take pictures,
Speaker 2: so they're basically and they have some AI that recognizes
Speaker 2: the photos and the audio. Then they have one with
Speaker 2: the display in it. The display doesn't show all that much.
Speaker 2: It's more like flat apps that you bring up, which
Speaker 2: I find a little anno, I think. But Googles next
Speaker 2: year are going to work with more apps on your
Speaker 2: phone and with more like to have more recognized like
Speaker 2: the way that you have Theory or or Gemini. And
Speaker 2: you know you're used to earbudds and your watch knowing
Speaker 2: what's on your phone. Glasses can't really do that yet easily,
Speaker 2: but they're going to start to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's crazy where it's going. So let's talk about
Speaker 1: that because you've tried and tested them all. Uh what
Speaker 1: what as far as the screen itself goes? What kind
Speaker 1: of displays are we starting to see what technology thinks
Speaker 1: could become the standard here?
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Well, on the one that splug in, like the XC
Speaker 2: Real and Future. A couple of these companies you may
Speaker 2: not have heard of or making them. They have micro
Speaker 2: o led displays, which are the types of displays that
Speaker 2: are also in the Apple Vision Pro and the Samsung
Speaker 2: Galaxy XDAR that came out. They're really good quality displays,
Speaker 2: and they look like you're looking at a big TV.
Speaker 2: That is, it could be could look higher quality than
Speaker 2: a TV you have in your home, or at least
Speaker 2: is good on the on the glasses themselves. A lot
Speaker 2: of them use a variety of technologies. Some of them
Speaker 2: have a kind of a ghosty rainbow e look, some
Speaker 2: of them are monochrome. Some of the meta rate end
Speaker 2: displays actually look really crisp and colorful, but only one eye,
Speaker 2: and that technology is going to start appearing more. Google
Speaker 2: is going to have something like it in one eye,
Speaker 2: and then eventually the goal is to get the two eyes.
Speaker 2: So the problem is your battery life and other stuff
Speaker 2: and what your phone can deliver. It won't be all
Speaker 2: the things you can think like. It's not meant for
Speaker 2: watching movies. It's not meant for doing anything three D yet.
Speaker 2: It's more forgetting like directions and stuff, which can be
Speaker 2: really useful and for people I know who have had
Speaker 2: assistive challenges. A couple of friends I've heard of already
Speaker 2: use this for vision assistance, and there are already FDA
Speaker 2: clear glasses that work for hearing assistances. So I think
Speaker 2: there's going to be a big assistive push with these glasses,
Speaker 2: but it needs to be vetted out. A lot of
Speaker 2: the visually assistive stuff that Meta does and Google's going
Speaker 2: to do. You know, it's hit and miss because AI there's.
Speaker 8: A lot of things about what's going on in your world.
Speaker 2: But it's also guessing a heck of a lot.
Speaker 1: Scott Stein is here. He is the edit at largest Scenet.
Speaker 1: We're talking about smart classes, which is the that's the
Speaker 1: big hottest product right now. As a matter of fact,
Speaker 1: from you know, probably in the last couple of years
Speaker 1: we've said it. It started, it ebbed off and it
Speaker 1: started to come on like gangbusters, especially now because you're
Speaker 1: starting to see at some point in the future AR
Speaker 1: and V are merged with smart glasses, which would be
Speaker 1: an incredible combination. There's on the issue of battery life
Speaker 1: because obviously the more aid and more computing power you have, Scott,
Speaker 1: the more drand on a battery it's going to be.
Speaker 1: Is that one of the big barriers here?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's one of the big, big down sides of
Speaker 2: the pond because I was. I was talking about this
Speaker 2: with with one of the chip maker's arm the other day,
Speaker 2: who makes a lot of the chips for these. And
Speaker 2: you know, with smart watches, you want it to be
Speaker 2: you want to be able to sleep with it maybe
Speaker 2: and have it last for days. With glasses, you're going
Speaker 2: to go to bed, take off your glasses, but you
Speaker 2: want it to last a full day. A lot of
Speaker 2: these glasses do not last a full day. And that
Speaker 2: is even though the battery life got better, you're gonna
Speaker 2: have to recharge it at some point if you're using
Speaker 2: it through the day, and then what are you doing.
Speaker 2: You're taking out your glasses, which is what you have
Speaker 2: to do right now, and charge them in a charge case,
Speaker 2: which you know it could be ridiculous for people. So
Speaker 2: I think getting over that hurdle is huge. The other
Speaker 2: part is prescriptions, something you wouldn't think about, but they
Speaker 2: haven't figured out how to honor all prescriptions with these glasses.
Speaker 2: If you shop the metas ray bans, they only go
Speaker 2: up to a certain prescription to the ones about the display.
Speaker 2: With the display it's even narrower. Does not work with
Speaker 2: my prescription, which is pretty intense it's not unusual, not
Speaker 2: that unusual, and people who wears glasses, that's the whole point.
Speaker 2: So you can see some companies that are out there,
Speaker 2: a few floating around. One of them who makes the
Speaker 2: display glass, it's called even Realities makes someone that has
Speaker 2: a wide range, a long battery life. But they only
Speaker 2: do a couple of things. So it reminds me of
Speaker 2: like the very early days, where do I buy? What
Speaker 2: do I do for buying these? To me, it's spend
Speaker 2: as little as possible and experiment and realize that you're
Speaker 2: buying something that's still a work in progress. There's going
Speaker 2: to be stuff that comes in the next few years.
Speaker 2: It's going to be a lot different.
Speaker 1: So you go back ten years or more to the
Speaker 1: advent of the smart watch. Smart watch comes out Scott
Speaker 1: and people are like, okay, well do I need a
Speaker 1: watch with all these things? I mean, what's I've got
Speaker 1: I've got a watch or I'm not a watch person.
Speaker 1: Then they came up with the fitness apps and if
Speaker 1: you have Apple, for example, Andrew, they have the app
Speaker 1: right that's built in tracks your steps and all these things,
Speaker 1: and hey, now you can take your ten thousand steps
Speaker 1: a day and you can track all these matches and
Speaker 1: that's what caused smart watches to explode over the last
Speaker 1: ten ten plus years. Is eric killer app waiting us
Speaker 1: for these types of devices and smart glasses.
Speaker 5: Right now?
Speaker 2: The big killer apps that I see and the NIF
Speaker 2: killer apps for a lot of people are the ability
Speaker 2: to be assistive with the rate end, you know, to
Speaker 2: sort of like if you need it to read something
Speaker 2: for you or transplay something for you. And then for
Speaker 2: the ones that plug in, the ability to kind of
Speaker 2: have like a virtual monitor or to watch something on
Speaker 2: the go. Of course, you could always just use your
Speaker 2: laptop or your tablet or your phone and just hunch
Speaker 2: over the screen. So the questions do I need that?
Speaker 2: But I do think going down the road, like you mentioned,
Speaker 2: fitness would be a really interesting killer app Right now,
Speaker 2: A lot of these glasses don't fully hook in all
Speaker 2: of that, which seems a bit paradoxical. Meta actually has
Speaker 2: a pair of Oakley Vanguard glasses that work with Garmin
Speaker 2: watches that are really good right now, but you have
Speaker 2: to have a garment watch and you have to be
Speaker 2: into the idea of wearing those wrap around glasses to
Speaker 2: get feedback when you're doing extreme activities. But I think
Speaker 2: for everybody else, for things like training, getting feedback, even
Speaker 2: stuff like virtual workouts down the road, I think there's
Speaker 2: a lot of possibilities, but we haven't even seen that yet.
Speaker 2: And also how much stuff do you want to have
Speaker 2: on you?
Speaker 3: Already?
Speaker 2: People always want to be I want to have time
Speaker 2: away from my phone. You got your earbuds, you got
Speaker 2: your watch. All the companies are trying to deal with that.
Speaker 2: You know, how how do you get somebody to buy
Speaker 2: one more thing? Do you even need that one more thing?
Speaker 2: And it might be like, oh, I get the glasses
Speaker 2: and they don't get the watch. It's like companies like
Speaker 2: Apple are going to want you to eventually buy all
Speaker 2: three because that tends to be their m And how
Speaker 2: are we going to deal with that? What's the price
Speaker 2: going to be? The prices on these kind of range
Speaker 2: for any work in three hundred dollars to over a thousand,
Speaker 2: and that's not even counting the prescription.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I just want it. It doesn't sound like
Speaker 1: they kill rapp there as yet. That's going to go, well,
Speaker 1: I need those and God only knows that it could
Speaker 1: be fitness, but you know, working out doing extra you know,
Speaker 1: doing planks with glasses on, They're going to slide off
Speaker 1: your nose. So that's that's probably not as good as
Speaker 1: the watch. I don't know. I was just thinking while
Speaker 1: you were talking, going okay, well, we've got to scare
Speaker 1: people into buying stuff, because fear is a great motivator
Speaker 1: for product, Like either you're missing out or you know,
Speaker 1: maybe something along the lines of you know, with AI
Speaker 1: is it's scanning for people around you or places that
Speaker 1: are dangerous situations. I mean, I could totally see somebody
Speaker 1: integrating facial recognition software and you know, cameras for a
Speaker 1: long time now I'll be able to tell whether somebody's
Speaker 1: carrying a weapon on them or not. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: and it sounds kind of like, you know, a dystopian
Speaker 1: but something along those lines where it's like, hey, you
Speaker 1: know you're paying attention all the cool stuff on your
Speaker 1: phone in the background that's looking out for uh situations,
Speaker 1: uh that that could trip.
Speaker 3: You out, you know that car.
Speaker 2: Yeah, something like that is a huge concern. And there
Speaker 2: and the way that AI is now you know, not
Speaker 2: being regulated well and it's all over the place and
Speaker 2: going way too fast and messy. Jumping this all in
Speaker 2: the glasses as all sorts of complexities that we don't
Speaker 2: know about any concerns. So yeah, you're totally right. And
Speaker 2: also a lot of it is really extensions of what's
Speaker 2: already on our phones, Like a lot of the stuff
Speaker 2: that you could do it on your phone, you're a
Speaker 2: lot of instances, but the fact that you're doing it
Speaker 2: on your face, you know, not only do I feel
Speaker 2: safe talking to someone of doing it, but also you
Speaker 2: know what is actually capable of being done. I would say,
Speaker 2: like the interesting thing the flip side is that I
Speaker 2: tended to use the metaglasses a lot of vacation glasses,
Speaker 2: which is just kind of funny, and it's that you know,
Speaker 2: in the early days of smart watches, I remember that
Speaker 2: people places like PFA or people standing up on their
Speaker 2: jobs would wear smart watches because allowed them to be
Speaker 2: on their feet and not have to look at their phones.
Speaker 2: And there are a lot of ways that glasses could
Speaker 2: be useful like that for people. I mean, for a
Speaker 2: silly thing like the vacation I would use it to
Speaker 2: take photos and take calls and not have to pull
Speaker 2: thing out of my pocket. But I think that that
Speaker 2: will start to become convenience. Part the flip side is
Speaker 2: if I feel like I'm always on and always connected,
Speaker 2: am I really truly mentally feeling like I'm on vacation?
Speaker 2: And so you know, do I want to just turn
Speaker 2: that off, put it away and not have that That's
Speaker 2: the thing I'm wrestling with.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's certainly complex. You just see this thing
Speaker 1: taking off more and more, and there's there's got to
Speaker 1: be a social acceptance evolution there too. And I think
Speaker 1: would he came up with a killer rap? That's going
Speaker 1: to help it a lot everyone and we'll all be
Speaker 1: walking on the classes on of course too. You know,
Speaker 1: even this day and as old as serious, there's times
Speaker 1: where I say, hey, say and it doesn't listen. Do
Speaker 1: we have that problem where the AI glasses that they
Speaker 1: misidentify things and I guess, for lack of a better term, hallucinates.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a great question, definitely. Not only do they
Speaker 2: misunderstand or misinterpret things vocally, but there are a lot
Speaker 2: of hallucinations that go on. There are times that seems
Speaker 2: to know knowledgeably about I ask what plant this is,
Speaker 2: and it takes a look to take the photo and
Speaker 2: identifies and that may it may not be that plant.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of Sometimes it can be, sometimes cannot be.
Speaker 2: And then AI is always good at apologizing and that
Speaker 2: you you ask, oh, I'm sorry, it's oh, I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: it's this, and then you get you feel like you're
Speaker 2: being gas float. You know which one which is the
Speaker 2: real answer? You have to go vett it out yourself.
Speaker 2: That's a big challenge I find in using AI reliably
Speaker 2: as a as an all day type of the tool.
Speaker 2: But but you also bring up like voices to me,
Speaker 2: a lot of companies are trying to figure out a
Speaker 2: way to get passed voice because you're talking to yourself,
Speaker 2: you're if you feel like you're playing twenty questions. There
Speaker 2: are technologies. Meta has a neural band now that's an
Speaker 2: accessory to the ray band. Displays based the leisure to
Speaker 2: pinch and gesture and get to things supposedly faster. Apple
Speaker 2: has a lot of gestures on its watches. Google's going
Speaker 2: to be adding that, and eventually companies want to figure
Speaker 2: out things like eye tracking, which is a whole other
Speaker 2: ballwax is do you want that? But the flip side
Speaker 2: is that you could potentially get to information that you
Speaker 2: want to get you faster than using your voice. But
Speaker 2: those haven't been fully figured out. But keep it, keep
Speaker 2: an eye, so to speak, on that because a lot
Speaker 2: of companies are trying to solve that, and it may
Speaker 2: not just be on glasses, It'll be on your watching
Speaker 2: your home in the way that you interact with things.
Speaker 1: On the smart classes topic, Scott given metas track record
Speaker 1: with data privacy and the fact that smart classes are continuing.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know your your microphone on your phone
Speaker 1: is on all the time you click somewhere and follows you.
Speaker 1: We're going to see that an extreme when it comes
Speaker 1: to what we look at as well. How do you
Speaker 1: see the industry moving forward balancing the benefits between what's
Speaker 1: happening contextually and versus privacy.
Speaker 2: I think there may be a whole bunch of changes
Speaker 2: to the way that phones connect to services like that,
Speaker 2: to regulations to understand how these things work. You know
Speaker 2: already on your phone, these all connect with your phone
Speaker 2: when you're on your phone. You have to enlist all
Speaker 2: sorts of location based or services to have things always
Speaker 2: be connected. That's the case of the glasses too, and
Speaker 2: you have to kind of put things into an always
Speaker 2: on state.
Speaker 4: And how much. How much of that do you want
Speaker 4: to do?
Speaker 2: The company like Meta, you know, like you said, it's
Speaker 2: a terrible track record with these types of things, and
Speaker 2: so they're not the ideal company to be driving AI glasses. However,
Speaker 2: their technology is really fascinating right now and has a
Speaker 2: lot of capabilities. But Google entering the picture provides competition.
Speaker 2: Google has a lot of issues too, so you know, Apple,
Speaker 2: every every big tech company has its own subset of
Speaker 2: issues and different degrees. So the best thing would be
Speaker 2: to have a lot of these services be interchangeable, you know,
Speaker 2: have standards to interconnect. A lot of the companies now
Speaker 2: are wanting you to use Meta, wants to use Meta AI.
Speaker 2: Google is going to want you to use Gemini Apple
Speaker 2: when they make glasses. I'm sure it's going to make
Speaker 2: you flow through new theory. And that's that's not great
Speaker 2: because on your phone at least you do seem to
Speaker 2: have more options and and so, like you mentioned that
Speaker 2: that kind of connected that big question of of data
Speaker 2: and privacy and how these things are controlled on glasses.
Speaker 1: Now, if you think the era privacy was over, now
Speaker 1: now it's a if you think about there's cameras up
Speaker 1: all over the place, and you know, people trying to
Speaker 1: get away with stuff, and you know, we have murders
Speaker 1: and killings that are solved now because of this technology.
Speaker 1: Imagine now when I don't know five ten percent of
Speaker 1: the population are walking around with cameras that are always on,
Speaker 1: as opposed to somebody pulling out a phone in recording.
Speaker 1: That's going to seem quaint. We'll be recording all the time.
Speaker 1: We just don't realize it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and a lot of these companies are trying to
Speaker 2: become extensions of your memory, which is a fascinating dystopian,
Speaker 2: wild science fiction topic that you know, we've been thinking
Speaker 2: about for years, but they really really are and it's
Speaker 2: already happening on your phone. A lot of the glasses
Speaker 2: are working on that too, to kind of say, I'll
Speaker 2: remember what you were looking at or help you recall
Speaker 2: things by by recording moments or interconnecting them via AI.
Speaker 2: And then you get to the point of well, it's
Speaker 2: that it's that treating your privacy and change for things
Speaker 2: that might help you, how the tendant you become on
Speaker 2: these said memory systems and wanting to keep them on
Speaker 2: or health systems where who it's monitoring things I think
Speaker 2: it's a fascinating future, and also I think it's a
Speaker 2: very problematic one. We're already there with phones, but I
Speaker 2: think that I think the glasses and the sensor technology
Speaker 2: that's coming, sensors that are going to be more advanced,
Speaker 2: not here yet but are eventually going to be more advanced.
Speaker 2: Things like neural sensors or things that could you know,
Speaker 2: connect through your heart rate or potentially stress levels, or
Speaker 2: eye tracking. They all want to go there. Then you
Speaker 2: get to a point where it can start to sort
Speaker 2: of guess at what you're thinking and what you're looking at.
Speaker 2: I don't I don't think we're there anywhere anytime in
Speaker 2: the next two years or so. But I think that
Speaker 2: that that is part of the goal. Those advanced headsets
Speaker 2: like Apple Vision Pro which have eye tracking and you know,
Speaker 2: and and and all that are sort of and hand
Speaker 2: tracking or sort of showing that total picture that eventually
Speaker 2: companies do want to make for glasses.
Speaker 1: Well real quick, Scott, do you think that in I
Speaker 1: don't know, maybe then ten fifteen years, whatever it might be,
Speaker 1: that the the smartphone that's not even a phone anymore,
Speaker 1: it's everything but a phone that that goes away and
Speaker 1: we just have glasses.
Speaker 2: You know, I've covered tech for so many years. Originally
Speaker 2: I would say yes, but I said laptops are going
Speaker 2: to go away in two thousand and nine and forgot
Speaker 2: one on my desk Texas. Tech is hard to kill
Speaker 2: in a lot of ways until suddenly dead. But I
Speaker 2: think phones, you know, thank goodness, we do not have
Speaker 2: implants in our brains. I don't think we should ever
Speaker 2: have implants in our brains.
Speaker 8: But I think that phones are.
Speaker 2: Our extensions to the tech world that we carry on us.
Speaker 2: And I think for a lot of reasons, battery life
Speaker 2: and power. I think that's going to stay that way,
Speaker 2: and then you're going to wear things that will work
Speaker 2: with that phone, right.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, because of the battery. There's a big obstacle here.
Speaker 1: String enough computer, yeah, yeah, that goes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, It's like, you know, the battery lies the huge
Speaker 2: issue for companies, and they make the glasses smaller and
Speaker 2: everything smaller. Battery life can't. You can't wave a magic
Speaker 2: wand and make it somedly better. So I think we'll
Speaker 2: still have phones.
Speaker 1: Yeah, unless you're watching a streaming show or something like that,
Speaker 1: because seemingly the actors in that they never charge their phones.
Speaker 1: Ever they wake up and it's on the bedstand. There's
Speaker 1: no charger. It's amazing and we can live in that world.
Speaker 1: I'd be fascinating. Scott Stein Seen Its editor at Large,
Speaker 1: Thanks again for the time. Fascinating news is coming up
Speaker 1: in just about five minutes and we returned. Sanjay Shavacremani
Speaker 1: our resident emergency room physician and of course fitness and
Speaker 1: health expert. There's a new test out there, a simple
Speaker 1: strength test, a couple of things you can do, and
Speaker 1: a new studies come out that shows the better you
Speaker 1: score on these tests, the less likelihood you're going to
Speaker 1: have a heart attack. Details on what you need to
Speaker 1: know about that coming up next. Scott's Loan seven hundred
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Speaker 1: our friends at Dorothy Lane Markets, they brought some food
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Speaker 11: And last time I was there, I saw their new
Speaker 11: poke Poke station, so you could get poke bowls and
Speaker 11: you just make them custom to the way you want them.
Speaker 11: I did not dive in that time, but I am
Speaker 11: definitely trying it next time. It looked amazing, Like everything
Speaker 11: looks super frished, poke is and it's got to be.
Speaker 1: It's legit. If it's Dorothy Lane, you're good.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't get that at a gas station. But because
Speaker 1: it's for their sake, I trust their sushi. Let's go
Speaker 1: Poky is awesome. See. I like to eat. I like
Speaker 1: different foods. I'll try anything. Once I don't like it,
Speaker 1: I don't like it. Same here it's all good. So yeah,
Speaker 1: Earthy Lane the hookup sign. Joy Shaefer Kramani's here. He
Speaker 1: is our resident physician, emergency room physician, also our health
Speaker 1: and food and fitness expert, and he joins the show
Speaker 1: this morning every Thursday, we talk health. And there's a
Speaker 1: study out that shows it it was just women that
Speaker 1: so there's the study finds that women with greater muscle
Speaker 1: strength have a significantly lower risk of death. And there's
Speaker 1: a couple easy tests to find out how you rate
Speaker 1: what your strength is.
Speaker 11: Yeah, so this is the most recent study and it's
Speaker 11: specifically for women, but it underlines the prior studies that
Speaker 11: have been done in strength training in all ages and
Speaker 11: all genders. So this study specifically was published in jama
Speaker 11: so a pretty you know, a well known journal, and
Speaker 11: what it did was studied women over the age of
Speaker 11: fifty and found that two tests can show you your
Speaker 11: strength in a way that it actually correlates with your mortality.
Speaker 11: So the more strength you have, the lesser chance you
Speaker 11: have of dying. And those two tests are grip strength
Speaker 11: and also how fast you can get up from a seat,
Speaker 11: so simple things. Grip strength is correlated with better health
Speaker 11: as well as getting up quickly from a seat five times, so.
Speaker 1: You get it gout without any help, without pushing yourself
Speaker 1: up or is it hands? No hands?
Speaker 11: So it really doesn't matter, you know. Optimal health would be, yeah,
Speaker 11: you brace your core, you don't use anything else, but
Speaker 11: you can just get up five times as quick as
Speaker 11: you can. What they found, and another says have shown
Speaker 11: is if you can do that in less than eleven seconds,
Speaker 11: you're pretty good. So that's about two seconds less, you know,
Speaker 11: a little bit more than two seconds per time you
Speaker 11: get up and sit back.
Speaker 1: Now eleven seconds from sitting to standing. You want to
Speaker 1: try it, Yeah, like I could do I probably could
Speaker 1: do an eleven seconds. I probably could get up and
Speaker 1: down five times. You probably could, right, And so you know,
Speaker 1: you work out, Sloan, let's go. You need more than
Speaker 1: good yeah, maybe two. You got to get those muscles built.
Speaker 1: And the same thing for grip strength.
Speaker 11: And it's not like you know, a lot of people
Speaker 11: will see the study and they'll say, well, all I
Speaker 11: got to work on my grip strength and then and
Speaker 11: then I don't die. But it's obviously more complicated than that.
Speaker 11: It is thought that grip strength is reflective, so it
Speaker 11: shows you an overall picture of how your body is doing,
Speaker 11: but by a simple test.
Speaker 1: Okay, so real quick, so getting some people are going,
Speaker 1: oh what the test? So getting up and out of
Speaker 1: a chair from sitting down standing up in eleven seconds.
Speaker 11: Yeah, so while you're listening to this, you can literally
Speaker 11: try it right down in the.
Speaker 1: Work people at work now popping up and down like,
Speaker 1: well we know who's listening, like whack a mole, Like
Speaker 1: what's going on in the cubicles here? Uh So that's okay,
Speaker 1: So that's it. And now real quick, is that just
Speaker 1: for women or is that men too? So that's that's
Speaker 1: men in general.
Speaker 11: So studies have also shown the importance of grip strength
Speaker 11: as a measure of.
Speaker 1: How do I measure grip strength? So there there's a
Speaker 1: few ways.
Speaker 11: I mean, the main way that you can do it
Speaker 11: is with a dynamometer, which I actually I was trying
Speaker 11: to get to bring in here today. It is a
Speaker 11: little bit delayed with Amazon right now, so I couldn't
Speaker 11: bring it in because I was going to find out
Speaker 11: how you are. Yeah, because you're always talking about working out.
Speaker 11: It's like, let's like this guy is like a donas
Speaker 11: over talking. I'm just a fat bastard anyway, So those
Speaker 11: can actually test. So you basically you make a grip
Speaker 11: and it shows you what exact force you're putting on it.
Speaker 11: And there are numbers for men and women of how
Speaker 11: of where you want to be to show you that
Speaker 11: you have the best health.
Speaker 1: Is there any way to judge your grip strength without
Speaker 1: the dynamo and the mind of manner without the diary?
Speaker 1: This is why healthcare so expensive. They got a gadget
Speaker 1: for everything, and you have to pay per letter.
Speaker 11: Right, So the main ways you can do it is
Speaker 11: just holding on to something heavy for a while, even
Speaker 11: like you know, can you grab five bags of groceries
Speaker 11: and go into your house?
Speaker 2: Sure?
Speaker 1: Simple stuff like that. Can you you know, hang from
Speaker 1: a bar?
Speaker 11: That's a that's a good one too, although that overall
Speaker 11: tests more things than just your grip, but there are
Speaker 11: there are multiple things you can do. But I kind
Speaker 11: of like those two hanging and then holding, So it's
Speaker 11: I guess the test is it's not necessarily the risk
Speaker 11: of the grip strength. What happens is if you're physically active,
Speaker 11: if you are doing resistance training or you do a
Speaker 11: physical job, your grip strengths nowctual it's going to be
Speaker 11: stronger because you're exercising other muscles, and the risk is
Speaker 11: very important in anything upper body. If I'm doing bicep,
Speaker 11: tricep chest press over at, you're still your wrists are
Speaker 11: going to get strong by doing that.
Speaker 1: So it's like a default test exactly.
Speaker 11: And yeah, if you're doing anything you know, manual, you're
Speaker 11: working those grips, but all the muscles around it, like
Speaker 11: you said, but what is also testing isn't just the muscles,
Speaker 11: but how well your brain's functioning and how well your
Speaker 11: nerves are functioning, because you need all of that stuff
Speaker 11: to be in line. If one of those is off
Speaker 11: your muscles or your nerves things, you're not going to
Speaker 11: be able to hold onto anything for too long.
Speaker 1: Okay, good, he's sign. Jay Shaefercrimani are resident a doctor
Speaker 1: and fitness expert on the show this morning on seven
Speaker 1: hundred WLW. It's in which ot of the two is
Speaker 1: in more consistent mortality If you're to just take one,
Speaker 1: I mean the too easy test and like wow, I
Speaker 1: don't have a grip meet or like fancy pants over
Speaker 1: here does? So what about the chair test? Which one's better?
Speaker 11: So the study is very and my actual assumption would
Speaker 11: have been that getting up off a chair would be faster.
Speaker 11: But what this specific study showed was that grip strength
Speaker 11: was a little bit more correlated to better health. But
Speaker 11: other studies have shown different things. So either way, you
Speaker 11: want to be stronger to live longer. That being said
Speaker 11: to kind of go on a tangent, cardiac fitness and
Speaker 11: cardio respitory fitness measured by like what we usually call cardio,
Speaker 11: actually correlates with better health as far as living longer,
Speaker 11: and so it's a little bit more advantageous to if
Speaker 11: you if you have your choice of doing cardio over
Speaker 11: strength if you want to live longer. The way I
Speaker 11: also see it is though, if you want to live better,
Speaker 11: get that strength training in because that allows you to
Speaker 11: do the things you want to do. You know, if
Speaker 11: you're a gardener, you get to squat more. If you
Speaker 11: you know, like pottery, you get you know, to do
Speaker 11: the right anything. Yeah, golf will require strength less than endurance,
Speaker 11: so you know, ultimately there is a little bit better
Speaker 11: mortality benefit to cardio. But both in combination is where
Speaker 11: the money is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, doing both, got it, got it, And people go, well,
Speaker 1: I only have so much time a week. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm my strength training three days and cardio the other
Speaker 1: three more and then like for me at my agent
Speaker 1: of you know, fifties push a late fifties, I like
Speaker 1: to go okay. I do cardio two days a week
Speaker 1: and it doesn't have to be crazy like hardcore. I
Speaker 1: do straight resistaning thing twice a week and then pilates
Speaker 1: at least twice a week. So that's actually my joint
Speaker 1: suck and I need to get rid of that pain
Speaker 1: from all the work and that which is all perfect.
Speaker 11: So you know, the current guidelines are still one hundred
Speaker 11: and fifty minutes of exercise per week in some form
Speaker 11: of fashion, unless it's vigorous, in which case you can
Speaker 11: get by with seventy five. More is better, but too
Speaker 11: much can be bad too, because it can you know,
Speaker 11: you can injure yourself. There are kind of four things
Speaker 11: you want to think about. Is am I getting my
Speaker 11: strength in?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 11: Am I getting my cardio in? R am I getting
Speaker 11: my balance in, which is important as we get older
Speaker 11: to prevent falls. And then there's a new thing coming
Speaker 11: out as far as power and how much power are
Speaker 11: you getting? And this is actually what comes down to,
Speaker 11: like quick reflexes and speed, and so there are ways
Speaker 11: to build that up. But that what those quick kind
Speaker 11: of reactions do as our body gets quicker, is it
Speaker 11: it stops those falls. So yeah, balance is important, but
Speaker 11: if you're suddenly falling, you want to make sure you
Speaker 11: can react quickly before gravity takes over and.
Speaker 1: You end up on the grounds. Yeah. Yeah, it's a
Speaker 1: quick the fast twitch stuff that like, hey, I'm falling
Speaker 1: or I misstep and you catch yourself, but you're able
Speaker 1: to jump and exactly if you can't do that, then
Speaker 1: you fall and that's how you break. But and then
Speaker 1: it gets worse because you've got to recover from those injuries,
Speaker 1: which can be very substantive, breaking a hip for example, Right, yeah,
Speaker 1: it slows you down.
Speaker 11: Now we've gotten better as far as our surgeries and
Speaker 11: everything that the risk of dying actually within a year
Speaker 11: has gone down markedly, but you know, it limits you significantly.
Speaker 11: When you break your hip, especially as we get older,
Speaker 11: it will throw you off for months, if not years.
Speaker 1: Now, as I age don Jay into this closer to
Speaker 1: death cohort, you have friends that are like they never
Speaker 1: have you know, I would play sports when they're younger,
Speaker 1: and then you know you're working, you're doing stuff, and
Speaker 1: now they're like, well, you know, I'm slowing down a
Speaker 1: little bit more. I've got to I want to start
Speaker 1: working out or start because I realize the benefits and
Speaker 1: I want to be around and enjoy the fruits of
Speaker 1: all this labor. So it's you know, it's hard to
Speaker 1: have cool stuff, do fun things when you're dead. So
Speaker 1: unless you consider that a vacation, which I actually I
Speaker 1: think about it, maybe I take that back anyway, as
Speaker 1: I ramble here with the ADHD be able to do that.
Speaker 1: Another subject, what about that? I mean you're getting in
Speaker 1: with the first time. What if you're I don't know, sixty,
Speaker 1: what if seventy eight? I mean you've never done before.
Speaker 1: You want to start going.
Speaker 11: Truly, never done it before? You know, once we get
Speaker 11: over at any age, I'd say, but certainly past the
Speaker 11: age of you know, forty, you want to have a
Speaker 11: guide to help you get there. You want to make
Speaker 11: sure you're doing things right. And the other thing is
Speaker 11: you want to make sure you're not going too hard
Speaker 11: too fast. You may hear something like this like, oh
Speaker 11: I'm going to die sooner if I'm not in shape,
Speaker 11: I better you get into shape. Now, the most important
Speaker 11: thing is that you do something that you can enjoy,
Speaker 11: that you can do consistently, and that will get you
Speaker 11: the you know, the benefits over the long run. You
Speaker 11: don't want to bite off too much too fast, and
Speaker 11: you certainly don't want to do anything that can injure yourself,
Speaker 11: especially without eyes.
Speaker 1: Starting easy, right and maybe one or two days a week,
Speaker 1: you don't have to really press it because it's going
Speaker 1: to take you longer to recover the muscle fatigue. First,
Speaker 1: it's the you know, if you do resistant trainings, you know, right,
Speaker 1: it's it's the tendons for then the muscles come along.
Speaker 1: It's like, wow, I'm not making progress. All those sad
Speaker 1: to do because you're training your tendons as long as
Speaker 1: well as your muscles.
Speaker 11: Exactly, and it's the whole body, and it takes time.
Speaker 11: You know, what we say at our gym is that,
Speaker 11: you know, give us, give us thirty days, and it's
Speaker 11: going to take a while. The first couple of weeks
Speaker 11: are actually going to kind of stink. Your body is
Speaker 11: doing something it's not used to. But you know, one,
Speaker 11: give yourself some grace and to see how things are
Speaker 11: feeling after thirty days. But then the real test is
Speaker 11: at ninety days. You know, that's when the habits start
Speaker 11: to build. That's when you're feeling more accountable towards yourself,
Speaker 11: and that's when you when you see the improvements overall,
Speaker 11: especially not just in the gym, but also in your life.
Speaker 1: And I'm glad you said that too, because it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: thirty days, Yeah, habits, we don't have had the Habitstil
Speaker 1: between forty and fifty days, right, something becomes a habit.
Speaker 11: Yeah, and more most concreted about ninety So it's truly
Speaker 11: three months that you want to give yourself. But you
Speaker 11: know those three months of growth could lead to an
Speaker 11: extra three years, if not three decades, to your life.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Sign Shavor Crimani a resident emergency room physician and
Speaker 1: also health and fitness and food expert. This morning on
Speaker 1: the show. In seven hundred WW, the Journal of American
Speaker 1: Medicine came out with a new study. Well I don't
Speaker 1: know if it's new study necessarily, but ways to see
Speaker 1: if you're going to wind up living a life you
Speaker 1: expect to and that is an interuring study came out
Speaker 1: that you have a thirty three percent lower risk of
Speaker 1: death compared to the non working out group relative to
Speaker 1: grip strey. So it's grip strength and it's getting up
Speaker 1: for a chair. So if you can sit in a
Speaker 1: chair and stand up and you can use your hands,
Speaker 1: I guess I suppose do you get bonus points if
Speaker 1: you can just bonus points for sure you stand up? Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: if you stand up in less than eleven seconds from
Speaker 1: a seated position, that's great, you're good. You pass the test.
Speaker 1: Grip strength a little more different because you need a
Speaker 1: special instrument to do that. But again, you know, if
Speaker 1: you can carry five bags of groceries, if you can
Speaker 1: pick up aunt gallon of paint, would probably be a
Speaker 1: good test, right, A good hold on for a while,
Speaker 1: hold out for three or four hours, and then see
Speaker 1: because if you don't make it four hours, you're probably
Speaker 1: going to die. That's really the test right there, now,
Speaker 1: if you did, I mean a lot of people have
Speaker 1: pink cans around something like that. Long, I like a
Speaker 1: couple of minutes. A minute, I mean a minute is
Speaker 1: a good test for anything. Yeah, yeah, just so you
Speaker 1: get plank for a minute, you're fine. You don't need
Speaker 1: a plank any yeah.
Speaker 11: Yeah, And that's the that's the important part for strength
Speaker 11: training is you know, it's again we just talked about force,
Speaker 11: which is that quick movement, which is it has its place,
Speaker 11: and then you have strength, which is kind of doing
Speaker 11: things for a little bit longer. And then you have
Speaker 11: the endurance stuff, which is your cardio. All of those
Speaker 11: in combination will help you live a longer life and
Speaker 11: a better life as well. So the most you can do,
Speaker 11: especially if you have limited time, getting a workout in
Speaker 11: that does all of those that that focuses on strength,
Speaker 11: that focuses on cardio to a certain degree, that focuses
Speaker 11: on balance and power. So doing quick movements, slow movements,
Speaker 11: all of it will be important for your help.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just keep moving. That's a goal. If you want
Speaker 1: to live longer, got gotta move and if you have it,
Speaker 1: you can start. You can can you reverse a hands
Speaker 1: of time with us?
Speaker 11: Reverse is tougher than it is to slow down the
Speaker 11: hands of time? So this is this is really about
Speaker 11: slowing down the time of the hands of time and
Speaker 11: right and honestly there we can talk about it another time.
Speaker 11: But as far as METS and VO two max, which
Speaker 11: is a big kind of thing, as far as your
Speaker 11: cardiac function back of the room stuff.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 11: But for every met you go up, so you know,
Speaker 11: average being like eight to ten mets that we can function. Okay,
Speaker 11: for every met you can increase in your life, you
Speaker 11: actually drop your risk of dying by double digit percentage.
Speaker 1: Really, so it's huge. So yeah, maybe what's those maybe
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Speaker 1: Scott's Slung Show on seven hundred WLW said that person
Speaker 1: it is helping with a purchase or service, or maybe
Speaker 1: they're in their home provide service could be a convicted felon.
Speaker 1: One in three ohioans have a criminal record, and a
Speaker 1: new bill would make it easier for them to get
Speaker 1: a job. You've heard about banned the box. This is
Speaker 1: the next extension of this, and there's a legislation working
Speaker 1: its way through Columbus and Ohio State Senator Bill Blessing
Speaker 1: from Colraine Township on the show is one of the sponsors.
Speaker 1: Welcome back, how you bet it's been a minute.
Speaker 6: Doing well, Scott.
Speaker 2: Thanks for having me. As I said before, glad the
Speaker 2: kids are healthy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's all we can do. They're healthy and happy.
Speaker 1: We're good. We're good. No one's in prison. We're good.
Speaker 1: What a low bar I said. Anyway, So Ohio already
Speaker 1: bans the box and public sector hiring, which basically means
Speaker 1: they can't ask you that question if you've been convicted
Speaker 1: of a serious crime or crime. Senate Bill one three,
Speaker 1: which you're co sponsoring, is going to extend that for
Speaker 1: private employers. And so this really I think he proposed
Speaker 1: this before in the past. It's really gone nowhere. So
Speaker 1: what makes this go around different?
Speaker 6: So to be fair, this when this is only the
Speaker 6: for the initial application, if you bring somebody in for
Speaker 6: a second interview, they can obviously ask about this. The
Speaker 6: difference is is that I think the business community, particularly
Speaker 6: the higher chamber, is coming around to the idea that hey,
Speaker 6: if these people can't get jobs there, you know, it's
Speaker 6: just going to correlate very badly with you know, recidivism,
Speaker 6: and these folks are just going to go back into prison.
Speaker 6: It's going to cost us all a lot more money. So,
Speaker 6: you know, they've moved into the neutral column with sub
Speaker 6: bill that we have for this. But beyond that, you know,
Speaker 6: some of the employers that are still upset about it,
Speaker 6: you know, are worried about potentially being sued. But honestly,
Speaker 6: the way this is structured, if you in order to sue,
Speaker 6: you have to file a complaint with the Civil Rights Commission.
Speaker 6: They have to at least try to work this out,
Speaker 6: and that's you know, in order for you to sue,
Speaker 6: they have to sign off on it. So there's so
Speaker 6: many checks and balances in here. It's like, what are
Speaker 6: we doing?
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, now that makes a lot of sense. And
Speaker 1: this is co sponsored too, it's the Democrats. That's bipartisan.
Speaker 1: And if that's the case, can you get enough Republicans
Speaker 1: on board to get this thing through?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 6: I think so in fact, the chairman, Senator Kyle Kaylor,
Speaker 6: has done just Yaleman's work on this, and he's an
Speaker 6: employer and he's had guys that he didn't realize were
Speaker 6: felons when he hired them, and they were thirty forty
Speaker 6: year veterans of his business. So he's keenly interested in
Speaker 6: getting this done. I think a lot of folks in
Speaker 6: my caucus are at that point where they're ready to.
Speaker 2: Pull the trigger on this because it's fine.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So it's still, as you said, allows background checks
Speaker 1: after the initial application. So you felt the application, They
Speaker 1: can't ask you that on the screening application. If you're qualified,
Speaker 1: you can then sit down, maybe during an interview and
Speaker 1: answer that question face to face. Is that meaningful enough though,
Speaker 1: to change outcomes for ex offenders? Because I had a
Speaker 1: pool of people, would you air in the had a
Speaker 1: caution going, well, I've got three people. Maybe this person's
Speaker 1: a little better, but the criminal record, I'm worry about it.
Speaker 1: Maybe I hire somebody else.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I'm not.
Speaker 6: Going to be the first to say that this is,
Speaker 6: you know, an earth shattering reform here. That's going to
Speaker 6: mean you know, tons for a lot of people, But
Speaker 6: there has been sort of a growing issue over the
Speaker 6: past five ten years of you know, the use of
Speaker 6: an algorithm to scrape the web and find, you know,
Speaker 6: if somebody was convicted of a felony or something like
Speaker 6: that and just basically automatically reject these folks and not
Speaker 6: even give them an opportunity to get their foot in
Speaker 6: the door. So, even if it is an inconvenience for employers,
Speaker 6: I do think it blocks that use of algorithm, you know,
Speaker 6: to deny these folks right out of the gate. That
Speaker 6: in and of itself I think is worth something.
Speaker 1: Right, is there a exposure legally for the business owners.
Speaker 1: Let's say I hire someone who is in I take
Speaker 1: a chance on somebody who is a convicted felon and
Speaker 1: they promise you they're straight, and you know, they commit
Speaker 1: some sort of well they reoffend commit another felony. What's
Speaker 1: the liability and the part of the business owner? So
Speaker 1: that now there is some protection in the bill for this.
Speaker 1: And the idea is, if you're if this bill were
Speaker 1: to pay ass let's say that the employer was going
Speaker 1: to be sued for you know, negligent hiring or negligent supervision.
Speaker 1: You know this this criminal background that they.
Speaker 6: Were no longer allowed to look for on that first
Speaker 6: application cannot be considered in that civil action. So they
Speaker 6: do have some degree of a liability shield here.
Speaker 1: Right with that that makes sense because you know, again
Speaker 1: it's the Ohio Department of Corrections, meaning we're correcting the behavior,
Speaker 1: and allegedly you reform these folks. Not almost always that's
Speaker 1: not the case, but they try to reform people. You know,
Speaker 1: if they come out, I don't know, it seems like
Speaker 1: the state's not doing their job the correction. That's a
Speaker 1: that's a pretty strong indictment. Well that's not on the
Speaker 1: business owner. If I heard somebody who you corrected their
Speaker 1: behavior and clearly your corrections do not work. So the
Speaker 1: state is really to blame in that case.
Speaker 6: Right, Oh yeah, And that's and that's one of the
Speaker 6: reasons why you know, myself and my my joint sponsor
Speaker 6: and even you know a lot of the advocates that
Speaker 6: you know are on on the left side of the
Speaker 6: political spectrum all said, yeah, we're we absolutely agree with with.
Speaker 2: Giving you guys some liability protections on this absolutely.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The bill also it bars employers from considering arrest not
Speaker 1: followed by conviction. That's a pretty important provision. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: idea being that if that occurred, but you know.
Speaker 6: You you weren't convicted of anything, was dismissed or something
Speaker 6: to that effect, you know, that shouldn't be used against you.
Speaker 6: I think that's definitely reasonable.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I know the Governor, Mike Dwaine is publically encourage
Speaker 1: employers to hire ex offenders. Have you had yourself, Bill
Speaker 1: Blessing conversations with his office or maybe about people who
Speaker 1: were offenders and they want to try and get a job,
Speaker 1: get their life back together. But but in speaking with
Speaker 1: the governor, is that pretty strong in these days? Is
Speaker 1: his word still kind of the way?
Speaker 6: Being a lame duck that he is, So I have
Speaker 6: to confess I have not reached out his administration on this.
Speaker 6: We were just seeing where it goes in committee. And admittedly, this,
Speaker 6: as you had pointed out earlier, this has failed a
Speaker 6: number of times, and you know, the thought was, well
Speaker 6: let's just give it, you know, you know, a different
Speaker 6: path maybe this time and make it by partisan But
Speaker 6: I think his his you know, he does carry some
Speaker 6: weight still despite being a lame duck governor, and you know,
Speaker 6: his support for a bill like this I would welcome
Speaker 6: and I think it would move some members of the
Speaker 6: General Assembly.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Again, it is Ohio Senator Bill Blessing on the
Speaker 1: show from Cole Raine, and he is co sponsoring legislation
Speaker 1: that would make it easier for convicted felons to get
Speaker 1: a job in Ohio. One of three Ohioans have a
Speaker 1: criminal record of some sort and one of the questions
Speaker 1: they may ask you is whether or not you're convicted,
Speaker 1: and that, of course is going to prohibit a company
Speaker 1: from taking a chance in hiring that person for obvious reasons.
Speaker 1: But you know, look at the day and age which
Speaker 1: we live now, Bill Blessing, President Trump was elected and
Speaker 1: us a Republican know this on One of the big
Speaker 1: things he's going to do is handle the immigration crisis.
Speaker 1: And we've kind of closed the border off and now
Speaker 1: you know, with ice raids and everything else, it's pretty
Speaker 1: clear we're we're losing immigrants. But these people provide services
Speaker 1: and fill jobs that are much needed in our society
Speaker 1: with fewer coming in. If you're taking those jobs, we
Speaker 1: have to go to other sources to get people to
Speaker 1: fill those jobs. I think I think this goes hand
Speaker 1: in hand with.
Speaker 2: That oh yeah, one hundred percent.
Speaker 6: And you know it also bolsters, you know, some of
Speaker 6: the good work that like Mea Maya Manufacturing does where
Speaker 6: they hire almost exclusively ex convicts, And I think I
Speaker 6: think once some of the stigma goes away on this,
Speaker 6: I think we're going to be all right because we've
Speaker 6: been as you said, we've been doing this in the
Speaker 6: public sector for a while and there haven't been any
Speaker 6: at least to my knowledge, catastrophe issues there. I don't
Speaker 6: think there will be for this, and hopefully you can
Speaker 6: get across the finish line.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I know there's still some small business groups
Speaker 1: out there. You said that the Chamber is kind of
Speaker 1: neutral on this, not foreign nor against, but there are
Speaker 1: other ones that say this is an undue economic burden
Speaker 1: on employers any ancident.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's correct.
Speaker 6: I mean the NFIB is the National Federation of Independent Business.
Speaker 6: They are they are still opposed, and you know, we
Speaker 6: were trying to work with them, and well I shouldn't.
Speaker 6: They were are still working with them to say, hey,
Speaker 6: maybe maybe the employment threshold, we can increase it from
Speaker 6: you know, having at least five employees to maybe fifteen
Speaker 6: or twenty or something to you know, help them out,
Speaker 6: because I get it, you know, suing a smaller employer
Speaker 6: it can be way more devastating than it can be
Speaker 6: like going after like a Google or something like that.
Speaker 1: But this legislation sounds like it it remedies that.
Speaker 6: I mean, well, I mean there's still they still technically
Speaker 6: can be sued. The difference is is that there's so
Speaker 6: many hurdles. I mean again, like if you you have
Speaker 6: to complain, file a complaint with the Civil Rights Commission,
Speaker 6: they have to try to work something out with the employer,
Speaker 6: and you know, at the very end, if they if
Speaker 6: the Civil rates Civil Rights Commission decide, hey, we're going
Speaker 6: to give you the right to sue, that's when they
Speaker 6: can finally sue the employer. So it's like there's so
Speaker 6: much that has to happen before that can even occur
Speaker 6: that I just I find it hard to believe that
Speaker 6: this is going to expose you know, a lot of
Speaker 6: businesses to significant liability.
Speaker 1: We know that in prison, Bill Blessing, you can get
Speaker 1: your ged, you can get a college degree, you can
Speaker 1: get certification and training in different areas. When you get out,
Speaker 1: you can have a job. How other than that, and
Speaker 1: I don't know how many inmates tit partake in those programs.
Speaker 1: But everyone does their sentence and they get out. Is
Speaker 1: there a vetting process when they leave? Is there a
Speaker 1: certification they get? Is like, hey, these people are are
Speaker 1: workforce ready. I mean we're doing that now with employee
Speaker 1: when it comes to high school and college graduates, getting
Speaker 1: people workforce ready. But is there a program in our
Speaker 1: correction system that offers that? So I know that if
Speaker 1: I'm going to hire someone, you guys have done a
Speaker 1: job in trying to prepare them for the quote unquote
Speaker 1: real world to make sure that they stay in the
Speaker 1: straight and narrow.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Great question.
Speaker 6: I don't have an answer for it, and but I
Speaker 6: think you're one hundred percent right, especially today with you know.
Speaker 2: The demand for the building trades.
Speaker 6: My god, Yeah, I'm certified, and that that would go
Speaker 6: a very long way to solving a ton of our
Speaker 6: problems in the you know, housing and energy and transportation
Speaker 6: in the structure world.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you did that, then you can, like
Speaker 1: you mentioned, NEMIA manufacturing does a great job, but you know,
Speaker 1: you're it's they're open about it. I think you know
Speaker 1: that's not something I think the employer of constructor, and
Speaker 1: maybe they would because we need bodies in the trades.
Speaker 1: Is like, hey, you know what we're we're you know,
Speaker 1: we're former inmate friendly and you get to work around people.
Speaker 1: But maybe you have somebody the job that's more of
Speaker 1: a role model or a mentor to keep those people
Speaker 1: on the street. It's kind of like a you know,
Speaker 1: I suppose an alcoholics program program for alcohol drug abusers,
Speaker 1: or a twelve step program where you've got a sponsor
Speaker 1: and you've got someone. I'm sure they do that, but
Speaker 1: it sounds like that would be a great avenue to
Speaker 1: get these folks in an environment where they don't reoffend.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, one hundred percent. And in fact, you know,
Speaker 6: to some degree, I'm kind of jealous of their prospects
Speaker 6: here with the building trades. I mean, if you talk
Speaker 6: to some of these folks, I mean, they can't they
Speaker 6: can't hire enough exactly, you know folks you know is electricians.
Speaker 6: I mean, I have mixed feelings about the data centers,
Speaker 6: but the demand for those folks in those particular projects
Speaker 6: is unprecedented.
Speaker 1: Yeah. We also talk in republics often about your welfare.
Speaker 1: We got a wealth reducing welfare costs that certainly would
Speaker 1: help do this because you know, I mean, leave it
Speaker 1: you go, You're you've got a record, no one wants
Speaker 1: to hire you. You're probably going to fall back into
Speaker 1: the crowd that got you in prison in the first
Speaker 1: place because you have no options, or you fall back
Speaker 1: on your public assess since that's not good. Either way,
Speaker 1: this makes a lot more sense. Do you think this
Speaker 1: may have an impact on the social services element?
Speaker 2: Certainly.
Speaker 6: I don't actually have the number off the top of
Speaker 6: my head, but I mean somebody who is gainfully employed,
Speaker 6: who has private insurance versus somebody who can't find work,
Speaker 6: you know, is on medicaid public assistance generally, that I
Speaker 6: mean that is going to be a very expensive difference
Speaker 6: for the state. And you know, when you add state
Speaker 6: and federal dollars, Medicaid is our largest expenditure and anything
Speaker 6: we can do to reduce that number is going to
Speaker 6: have a significant effect on our budget.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt. We talk about saving money, and of
Speaker 1: course locking people up is very expensive as well. The
Speaker 1: best thing we can do is get people in the
Speaker 1: workforce and producing, paying taxes and taking care of themselves
Speaker 1: is ultimately the goal here, and that's what we should
Speaker 1: be pushing for and I think this is going to
Speaker 1: help move the needle in the right direction or remove
Speaker 1: that stigma to some degree. I mean, hell, when one
Speaker 1: in three people have a record no IO, that tells
Speaker 1: you something is you know, you can't you can't get
Speaker 1: rid of you know, a third of the eligible workforce population.
Speaker 1: We need them. And relative to welfare, let's face facts.
Speaker 1: You know, a huge number of women are behind bars
Speaker 1: now more than ever before, and so they tend to
Speaker 1: rely on welfare and social services more than men do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 6: And a lot of these folks are you know, people
Speaker 6: who were drug addicted. You know, when once they get
Speaker 6: on the straight and narrow, you know, now what I mean,
Speaker 6: those folks need to have that opportunity to be able
Speaker 6: to participate in the economy to the fullest, fullest extent possible.
Speaker 6: So yeah, I agree, all right, So let's fast forward,
Speaker 6: Senator Blessing to maybe five years from now.
Speaker 1: What does success look like with this program?
Speaker 6: Honestly, success, I mean it doesn't even if it's just
Speaker 6: a small number of people that this has benefited. I mean,
Speaker 6: it's to me, it's worth it. I don't see this
Speaker 6: going in the wrong direction.
Speaker 2: At all.
Speaker 6: I mean, I guess there could be a possibility of
Speaker 6: something gone wrong or somebody was hired who did something,
Speaker 6: but that that sort of thing can happen anyway, I
Speaker 6: have a feeling this is actually going to help. It's
Speaker 6: not going to be a ton, but it is going
Speaker 6: to I think, reduce the strain on our budget. I
Speaker 6: think it's going to add more folks to the workforce.
Speaker 6: I think employers are going to be able to find
Speaker 6: workers more easily, especially as we have to address our
Speaker 6: aging infrastructure. So in the end, I think it's going
Speaker 6: to be great. In terms of trying to measure the impact,
Speaker 6: that's probably unknowable, but it's one of those things that
Speaker 6: just philosophically, we can say that this is going to
Speaker 6: work out.
Speaker 1: Well, now we need bodies to show up to work.
Speaker 1: Everyone complains there's nobody working anymore. Well, you know, we've
Speaker 1: expelled a bunch of immigrants and we've deterred them from
Speaker 1: just so we've got to fill that with something. And
Speaker 1: it might be you know, convicted felons who want to
Speaker 1: turn their lives around, and we should be opening the doors.
Speaker 1: I'm given me a second or third chance. Case may be, yeah,
Speaker 1: but I think there, let's face it, we know enough
Speaker 1: about this. There's a large percentage of that prison population
Speaker 1: that don't want to be reformed. And I guess if
Speaker 1: I'm an employer, how am I? How do I know
Speaker 1: that person's just you know, checking a box and going
Speaker 1: to resume their criminal lifestyle, and time me into it
Speaker 1: first as someone who really wants to turn their life around.
Speaker 1: I guess that is the chance you have to take.
Speaker 1: If you're a business owner. Yeah, that's right, I suppose.
Speaker 1: So you're feeling good about it this time. I know
Speaker 1: we've this has been out there and introduced. It seemed
Speaker 1: like a cycle after cycle after cycle' been doing this
Speaker 1: a long time without success. It's bipartisan, which, of course
Speaker 1: these days feels like it's really really rare. Is this
Speaker 1: time the magic term?
Speaker 6: I think? So we've had, you know, more than just
Speaker 6: the you know, proform sponsor testimony at the end of
Speaker 6: the General Assembly, I have an enthusiastic chairman in favor
Speaker 6: of this. We've gotten, you know, I think it's four
Speaker 6: hearings at this point. The Chamber going neutral is utterly huge.
Speaker 6: They've been opposed to this in the past, but I
Speaker 6: think they are changing their mindset on this, and I
Speaker 6: do wonder actually if that's related into some of the
Speaker 6: data center buildouts that they're like, my god, we just
Speaker 6: we just need employees. At this point, I think there's
Speaker 6: a good shot that this gets done this cycle.
Speaker 2: And frankly, I would be just.
Speaker 6: Over the moon if we could get it out of
Speaker 6: a chamber that would have been that would be farther
Speaker 6: than this is gotten in easily twenty years.
Speaker 1: Okay, well, I'm figures crossed. I mean, you know, we
Speaker 1: need the bodies. And again, if you did your time
Speaker 1: and you really want to turn your life around, you've
Speaker 1: got to show me something. And part of that's, you know,
Speaker 1: give them a chance and letting them get a job
Speaker 1: and see if they can't keep their head above water.
Speaker 1: Senator Bill Blessing, co sponsor of this from a cold
Speaker 1: Raine township, thanks again for joining the show. I appreciate you.
Speaker 5: Be well.
Speaker 1: We'll talk again soon.
Speaker 2: Likewise, Thankscott, take care.
Speaker 1: Good piece of legislation in my opinion. Coming up next
Speaker 1: on the show, My wife is in Michelle Sloan. We
Speaker 1: talked about, you know, some pumps this time of years
Speaker 1: is running non stop. Something else you need to know
Speaker 1: about that has to deal with your basement. It's not
Speaker 1: a pleasant topic. We'll get into that next afternoon seven hundred.
Speaker 1: The buying and selling of homes isn't for the timid
Speaker 1: or meek.
Speaker 5: The real estate world can be a vicious jungle, playing
Speaker 5: with dangers and pitfalls. Thank god we've got Remax time
Speaker 5: agent Michelle Sloan, the fearless real tour of Sloan, sellshomes
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Speaker 5: It's Real Estate Time with Michelle Sloane on seven hundred.
Speaker 5: Gallau wel jal all right, good morning, my dear, what's new?
Speaker 8: Hello, my king?
Speaker 3: How are you?
Speaker 1: I was a good night the other night at the
Speaker 1: Northern Kentucky Convention Center for Fat Tuesday. Do you know
Speaker 1: how much money we raise for Marty Graph for Homeless
Speaker 1: Kids twenty twenty six? Did you hear much?
Speaker 8: I did not know how much.
Speaker 1: Two hundred and fifty thousand dollars. Nice quarter million dollars
Speaker 1: raised on Tuesday night. That was awesome.
Speaker 8: It is always such a great event. And I mean
Speaker 8: the food is great, the drinks are great, the music
Speaker 8: was amazing from BBA and my girl Melissa read. I mean,
Speaker 8: so so great everything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Tom Brenneman's strutting around like a peacock last couple
Speaker 1: of days because he's taking full credit and we had
Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty grand and I think that's the
Speaker 1: most ever we got on auction night. And he's taken
Speaker 1: because he you know, this is his first year as
Speaker 1: MC along with Sarah, and now he's taking credit. He
Speaker 1: thinks he thinks he has.
Speaker 8: What Tom looks sharp.
Speaker 5: He did.
Speaker 1: It was a cool looking jacket.
Speaker 8: Ye, he was colorful. If you haven't seen the photos,
Speaker 8: they're all over online and stuff. But I've got a
Speaker 8: picture on mine on my Facebook stage. He looks sharp.
Speaker 8: I thought that was pretty great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah he did, he'd absolutely. It was like it's
Speaker 1: a tuxedo too, like a tuxedo jacket, but it was
Speaker 1: a Marty Gras kind of designed to us really wild. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I got you got Tom Brennanman kind of money, you know, Oh,
Speaker 1: I know, I can't afford that Tom Brendman has. You
Speaker 1: have Tom Brenneman money, you can have custom upholstery done
Speaker 1: like that on his box.
Speaker 8: I have to tell you, so this is this may
Speaker 8: not be appropriate for the radio. I'm not sure, but
Speaker 8: so I gave Tom a hug, and he was wearing
Speaker 8: the giant Marti Gras balls the necklace, and I squeezed
Speaker 8: him and I broke one of his balls.
Speaker 2: The necklace.
Speaker 1: And I've been breaking Tom's balls for almost a year now,
Speaker 1: so pretty good. So what are we talking about today today?
Speaker 8: Well, you know what, there was a situation that happened
Speaker 8: at one of my houses this week, so I wanted
Speaker 8: to talk about it. We're constantly talking about check your sumpump,
Speaker 8: check your sump up, so that's old news, but we
Speaker 8: haven't really talked about how when you're the backup of
Speaker 8: your floor drains in your basement and sewer lines back up.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 8: And this is a real thing in Cincinnati because parts
Speaker 8: of Cincinnati still operate with the combined sewer systems, meaning
Speaker 8: that the storm water and the sewage sheer pipe, so
Speaker 8: all of that water is rushing, all of the ground
Speaker 8: water is rushing. We had all that snow melt and
Speaker 8: it impacted at least one of my clients pretty severely.
Speaker 8: So their drain backed up, the sewage backed up. They
Speaker 8: had about three inches of sewage in their basement. And
Speaker 8: so that is nasty, nasty, and it's not something that
Speaker 8: anybody wants, but there's some things that you can do
Speaker 8: to look out for before it gets to that point.
Speaker 8: And again you have to locate where that storm water
Speaker 8: where you're what is it where the drain is.
Speaker 1: Floor drain, It's always going to be the lowest drain,
Speaker 1: which is your floor drain in your basement.
Speaker 8: Correct, And so you just there's also a you can
Speaker 8: do a sewer scope because a lot of people also
Speaker 8: don't know that there's like a cap in the basement
Speaker 8: that is a direct line to the sewer line from
Speaker 8: your house to the street. And if you don't know,
Speaker 8: you know that's your that's an important access point for
Speaker 8: you to get in there to clean it out on
Speaker 8: occasions to make sure that there is no blockages. Because
Speaker 8: the old cast iron pipe that have was were installed
Speaker 8: a long time ago in Cincinnati, they corrode and that
Speaker 8: pipe gets smaller and smaller and smaller. Well, this particular situation,
Speaker 8: and I'm going to give a little shout out to Nick,
Speaker 8: the plumber who was helping me out and came right away,
Speaker 8: I mean great, great dude got it on. He knew
Speaker 8: what he was talking about. He came in with boots,
Speaker 8: he said, everybody stay out of the basement because you're
Speaker 8: just going to track the nastiness, don't You really don't,
Speaker 8: and so you know, let me take a step back.
Speaker 8: So really that the rain and the melt is overloading
Speaker 8: the system, and you may hear your toilets even gurgle.
Speaker 8: If you're hearing your toilets are gurgling, if you have
Speaker 8: a basement shower again, or any drains in the basement
Speaker 8: and they start to overflow. If you have a backwater valve,
Speaker 8: and if you have an older home, you should know
Speaker 8: where that is because that can help avoid some of
Speaker 8: that pressure. Another thing that you want to do is
Speaker 8: avoid doing lots of loads of laundry during this heavy runoff,
Speaker 8: because once you do abandon, that's important. So you really
Speaker 8: want to take a bite.
Speaker 1: We're talking. He feels like he's got a chime in
Speaker 1: his two.
Speaker 8: Cents, very upset by the situation.
Speaker 1: Just saying, well, why don't you just people go in
Speaker 1: the yard like I do.
Speaker 8: It solves a problem, right, or you know what if
Speaker 8: that happens in the basement, it's not my fault.
Speaker 7: I didn't do it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, but you know, to reset the topic here,
Speaker 1: if you just joining the show with my wife Michelle Sloan.
Speaker 1: We're talking about the sewer backups this time of year,
Speaker 1: especially because the sewer systems are overwhelmed. Now Cincinnati's they
Speaker 1: had a agreement with the Feds obviously to move away
Speaker 1: to do separate sewer for you know, abvius sewage and
Speaker 1: then run off water two different things, the gray water.
Speaker 1: But there's still about I think forty percent of homes
Speaker 1: in Cincinnati are still combined because you know, it's gonna
Speaker 1: take a long time to figure that out. And so
Speaker 1: what that means is everything goes together and you see
Speaker 1: backups in some older homes. Now that could be because
Speaker 1: of conbined district, but a lot of cases there's these
Speaker 1: old cast iron or sometimes clay pipes, a lot of
Speaker 1: cast iron. The roots get in there, causes blockage. It's
Speaker 1: blocked irresponsible from more attaches. It's called the sewer lateral.
Speaker 1: So it goes from if you have a basement, that
Speaker 1: floor drain downstairs near your water heater or laundry air
Speaker 1: or whatever it might be. That's floor drain, lowest drain
Speaker 1: in the house. If it backs up, that's why it
Speaker 1: comes through that and not out. You know, thank god,
Speaker 1: it's basement's much better than the second floor or the
Speaker 1: living area, and so if that backs up, that's what
Speaker 1: it is. So usually you know, you're talking about the lateral.
Speaker 1: It's irresponsibily from where it connects to the publics who
Speaker 1: remain on the streets, under your sidewalk, on your front
Speaker 1: yard and eventually your your basement. There's also a clean
Speaker 1: out you mentioned that, and it looks like a big
Speaker 1: pipe with a cap on. A lot of it's now
Speaker 1: it's PVC, but because they'll be cast and it's kind
Speaker 1: of like it looks like, you know, four sided kind
Speaker 1: of nut on it, and that is the axis sun.
Speaker 1: A lot of cases there on the outside of the
Speaker 1: house around where the foundation is sometimes you know inside
Speaker 1: the house, but you know plumber will figure out where
Speaker 1: that is. You need to keep that clear so that
Speaker 1: in the event of that they can have an area
Speaker 1: to go in and clean the drain out. But you know,
Speaker 1: if there's roots and stuff in there, like in the
Speaker 1: case you're talking about completely collapse pipe. Two things you
Speaker 1: can do. You can the old the more expensive way
Speaker 1: to dig up the whole yard and put a whole
Speaker 1: new PVC pipe in there. From the sewer main, connecting
Speaker 1: the sewer main to your floor, drance to your lateral,
Speaker 1: or they do seer sewer lining now, which is much er,
Speaker 1: well not much cheaper, it's still cheaper. They don't have
Speaker 1: to dig out as much, not as much destruction because
Speaker 1: that adds cost and obviously a lot of work. They
Speaker 1: can actually go in and line, clean it out and
Speaker 1: then line that sewerd Right now, if it's completely collapsed
Speaker 1: and you know, it's flowing out in the air, it's
Speaker 1: a different story.
Speaker 8: Yeah, in this instance, it's going to be about a
Speaker 8: fifteen thousand dollars six because they are going to have
Speaker 8: to go into the yard. They're going to have to
Speaker 8: dig up about ten feet and then once they get
Speaker 8: in there, they're going to have to you know, is
Speaker 8: that going to be enough to be able to fix
Speaker 8: the problem, because right they sent a sewer scope, meaning
Speaker 8: just a camera down into that sewer line and at
Speaker 8: one point in the sewer line basically it went completely dark,
Speaker 8: so it was completely filled with tar. And you know
Speaker 8: that's why you also say don't flush whites, don't flush
Speaker 8: anything but toilet paper down down your toilet, because this
Speaker 8: is what could happen you can have a huge backup.
Speaker 8: And so with this situation, people don't understand and this
Speaker 8: is until it's the worst case scenario. So the homeowners
Speaker 8: on this particular property are going to be out of
Speaker 8: pocket because their insurance doesn't cover the digging outside of
Speaker 8: the sewer line and fixing that, and so that's going
Speaker 8: to be very expensive. Now what is covered at least
Speaker 8: by this particular person, You want to check your policy.
Speaker 8: But this person the inside cleanup, which could be new
Speaker 8: carpeting they might have to take out because you've got
Speaker 8: stewer sewage down there in your lower level, so everything
Speaker 8: that was touched by it is contaminated. So you may
Speaker 8: have to take out some drywall, you may have to
Speaker 8: do some repainting, like I said, you may need new flooring.
Speaker 8: It's going to be it's a total mitigation process where
Speaker 8: you have to do this cleanup and there's a crew
Speaker 8: that comes in and that it's not cheap either, but
Speaker 8: oftentimes that is covered. But you want to double check
Speaker 8: two things on your homeowner's policy because you do not
Speaker 8: want to be out that kind of money because it's
Speaker 8: a lot. Your standard homeowner's insurance policy does not cover
Speaker 8: a sewer backup. You need a specific water sewer rider
Speaker 8: on your policy, and some pump failure is completely different
Speaker 8: as well, and you may need a separate policy for
Speaker 8: some pump. Now, I think usually some pump failure is
Speaker 8: sort of included. But I think you know the way
Speaker 8: insurance companies are now, they're they're looking to do the okay,
Speaker 8: piece by piece by piece, And if you're trying to
Speaker 8: save money, you're like, I don't worry about that, don't
Speaker 8: worry about that. Well, you better worry about that, because
Speaker 8: when it does happen, it can be very, very expensive.
Speaker 8: So you know, we still will continue to say, check
Speaker 8: your some pumps because ours is running pretty much none
Speaker 8: point and it's loud, and you do want to double
Speaker 8: check a few things that you want to see. So
Speaker 8: and now it's warm today, still before the storm comes,
Speaker 8: but texting your some pump, checking your discharge lines. Make
Speaker 8: sure that your down spouts are draining away from your foundation.
Speaker 8: If you have storm drains near your property or even
Speaker 8: out by the road, try to clear them from the
Speaker 8: leaves and debris. You want to keep those open as
Speaker 8: much as possible. You know, check your basement for early
Speaker 8: damage signs. Make sure you have a battery backup, and
Speaker 8: so there's so many things that you can do. But
Speaker 8: all of this groundwater that has come and melted all
Speaker 8: at the same time could provide some foundation pressure. There's
Speaker 8: a lot of things that you can do. The other
Speaker 8: thing that is really important for me as your real
Speaker 8: estate agent is when you are buying a home and
Speaker 8: you are getting an inspection, I all always recommend get
Speaker 8: a sewer scope. It is an add on. It's going
Speaker 8: to cost an extra hundred bucks or something like that,
Speaker 8: but it's so well worth it because if you see
Speaker 8: tree roots in the line, if you see that it's
Speaker 8: you know, some of the line has been collapsed and
Speaker 8: it's full of dirt or whatever. You know, that's something
Speaker 8: you would want to ask the current own homeowner to
Speaker 8: either take care of or give you a credit so
Speaker 8: that that can be fixed so you don't have this
Speaker 8: monumental expense once you move into.
Speaker 1: It's really really good to do. Yeah, for a hundred
Speaker 1: bucks or whatever it is, and if.
Speaker 8: You're doing it, and that's an add on, I mean,
Speaker 8: so it's part of the inspection praccess and most inspectors
Speaker 8: that oh my gosh, can you hear them?
Speaker 1: Could you control that animal.
Speaker 8: I'm sorry, there's a dog outside and.
Speaker 1: He's very excited to talk to the dog, tell him
Speaker 1: about his problems. Yeah, so sewerscope, you're getting a home
Speaker 1: inspect That makes a lot of sense because that's a
Speaker 1: really really expensive propositions. I mentioned, you know, fifteen thousand
Speaker 1: dollars from more and you know, here's the thing is,
Speaker 1: people look, well, wait a minute, isn't that the sewer,
Speaker 1: isn't that the city isn't that? No, So anything from
Speaker 1: your house to where it connects, uh is gonna it
Speaker 1: is your responsibility. So that sewer lateral where from your
Speaker 1: house to the public sewer main where that that section
Speaker 1: is all you uh. And that is true when it
Speaker 1: comes to electrical as well. Sometimes people lose power. What's
Speaker 1: going on? Well, the line that runs from where the
Speaker 1: service connects to your home is your responsibility of gas.
Speaker 1: Same thing. You know, once it once it hits your
Speaker 1: house or leaves the street I guess to your house,
Speaker 1: then it is on you. So and they do sell
Speaker 1: insurance writers for that as well. I know it's the
Speaker 1: utility companies. I think Duke offers that or at least
Speaker 1: used to anyway where they say, hey, do you want
Speaker 1: the insurance that way, if something goes wrong, you're covered.
Speaker 1: So if if you're so inclined to it that way,
Speaker 1: all right, shut that dog up, would you?
Speaker 8: All right, makes way too much time.
Speaker 1: I gotta put some insulation. Sound dead.
Speaker 8: You know it's running. See that's okay. Yeah, I'm happy
Speaker 8: that it's running.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you put some rock wool and so if you
Speaker 1: got to, you know, some of it's noisy, you can
Speaker 1: put a little insulation up and uh, you know, if
Speaker 1: it's in the basement, kind of knock some of that
Speaker 1: sound down because it can't be kind of noisy if
Speaker 1: it's running a lot. But the good news isn't a
Speaker 1: few well a few weeks. It's bound completely dry as always.
Speaker 1: So yeah, during the summer. All right, I gotta go.
Speaker 1: Michelle Sloan Sloan Sales Homes, Open house Shows, Sloan sales
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Speaker 1: gotta go, I gotta go.