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Speaker 3: Well, we will stay dry, and hopefully we will also

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Speaker 3: good tonight. My name is Dan Ray, broadcasting remotely. Dan

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Speaker 3: that for a moment. Changed my password today as I

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Speaker 3: wonderful when they work, not so wonderful when they don't work.

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Speaker 3: But that's my problem, not yours. My name's Dan Ray,

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Speaker 3: and I'm the host of Night's Side. As I mentioned,

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Speaker 3: Dan Canteno is back there tonight, but without any further ado.

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Speaker 4: John Ferick, Well, this is a very, very powerful storm.

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Speaker 5: You know, we've we've had a front row seat to

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Speaker 5: And again the argument is, like, you know, there's a

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Speaker 3: Well, the pendulum has swung way far, way far in

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Speaker 2: The right side. I'm a year in change on the

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Speaker 3: Okay, Well, they stay there as long as you can, Okay, Paul,

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Speaker 3: you'll feel better, Paul Cargo. Paul, if people want to

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Speaker 3: get in touch with you because you make a great presentation,

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Speaker 3: how do they what's your website?

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Speaker 2: TwinFocus dot com.

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Speaker 3: For a final twin twin Focus dot com. And that

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Speaker 2: Cous in the back bay of Boston. I pay the

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Speaker 3: Paul. Thanks, thanks very much, appreciate that time, and maybe

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much. Good night. We got the news

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Speaker 6: How are you, hey, Dan?

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Speaker 3: I'm should be great and we talked with you just

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So how many I think you got? You folks

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Speaker 3: Well, I do a lot of these four nine for

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Speaker 3: That's that is fabulous. And you did explain to me

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Speaker 3: Jim in the swamp. Up until the age of forty,

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Speaker 3: he had been an alcoholic, a drug addict, and a

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Speaker 3: drug mule. And at forty he just turned his life

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Speaker 3: around on a dime. And he lived in the swamp

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Speaker 3: by himself. Came in, brought provisions out to live and

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Speaker 3: all of that. And he had as a pet, he

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Speaker 3: had an albino rat, which was I went and visited him,

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Speaker 3: believe it or not, and took him to breakfast because

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Speaker 3: I wanted to make sure he wasn't joshing me or

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Speaker 3: joking around with me. Who's deadly serious. I did, Yes,

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Speaker 3: I did. And the PostScript to the story is that

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Speaker 3: when he came out of the swamp, he had cancer,

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Speaker 3: and he came out of the swamp and he would

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Speaker 3: go and get treatment and go back in the swamp.

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Speaker 3: Finally came out. The last time that he came out,

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Speaker 3: he was going to go into hospice. He was in

448
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Speaker 3: tough shape. And he gave his white rat to his

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Speaker 3: high school friend, who I got to know a little bit.

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Speaker 3: And the friend called me one Sunday night and said that,

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Speaker 3: you know, Jim had succumbed in hospice. But he also

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Speaker 3: told me that when he got home, in the cage

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Speaker 3: is a white rat. And he went over and he

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Speaker 3: talked to the rat and told him that his master

455
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Speaker 3: had died. He went out to the kitchen in a

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Speaker 3: different room to make himself a cup of key tea

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Speaker 3: or coffee, and he said he heard this horrific activity

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Speaker 3: inside the room where the rat was, and when he

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Speaker 3: walked into the room, the rat was running up and

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Speaker 3: down in the cage, you know, over the top at

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Speaker 3: the bottom, and the rat flopped out and died. That's

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Speaker 3: so sad, very sad story. But it was almost as

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Speaker 3: if the rat knew because he had been this Jim's

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Speaker 3: friend had told him that Jim had passed away. And

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Speaker 3: when he told me that story, it was a chilling

466
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Speaker 3: story to think that an animal could comprehend that. But

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Speaker 3: it does serve as a lesson that they have a connection,

468
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Speaker 3: which you told me about that people. Once they got

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Speaker 3: to interact with these pet rats, they keep them in

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Speaker 3: a cage, and that they can they actually we are

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Speaker 3: very pet like you told me.

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Speaker 6: Correct, Yeah, absolutely, I mean I think you know, people

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Speaker 6: think of the animal human bond, that strong bond with

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Speaker 6: dogs and cats like you're describing, but they don't always

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Speaker 6: necessarily think of rats in that same vein. But rats

476
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Speaker 6: are incredibly social. They're really affectionate. They like they gone

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Speaker 6: to their human, they like being around people. So they're

478
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Speaker 6: a great pet for someone who, you know, maybe can't

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Speaker 6: have a dog in an apartment or in their home

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Speaker 6: for whatever reason. So yeah, I mean rats are incredible.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. And I have occasionally in my time as a

482
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Speaker 3: television reporter run into some street people who have they

483
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Speaker 3: literally have a rat on their shoulder, and clearly I

484
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Speaker 3: always thought that was some sort of an anomaly and

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Speaker 3: that that maybe the street person fed the rat and

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Speaker 3: that's how they created the relationship. But obviously you said

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Speaker 3: that there are people now and well you mentioned there

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Speaker 3: are there are dozens of people right now who have rats,

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Speaker 3: who will you know, we'll be able to have a home.

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Speaker 3: And you said that that rats and pet rats in captivity.

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Speaker 3: I think you told me that they can live as

492
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Speaker 3: much as two to three years. Correct.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's about an average lifespan for a rat.

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Speaker 3: That's okay. Yeah, I'm sure. I'm sure summer longer and

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Speaker 3: some are shorter. But again, you know, if if God

496
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Speaker 3: created all the creatures, and I believe that he did

497
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Speaker 3: or she did, whichever, whichever one you prefer. Yeah, a

498
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Speaker 3: rat is a creature of God as well. And a

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Speaker 3: lot of people responded to your call. If people want

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Speaker 3: to get to the you know, to the m s

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Speaker 3: p c A and and look for the adoption of

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Speaker 3: a cat, you always have cats and dogs available. My

503
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Speaker 3: daughter used to go over there as a volunteer when

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Speaker 3: she was in high school and walk the dogs. All

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Speaker 3: they have to do is just go to MSPA dot

506
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Speaker 3: orguy assume to get locations and what pets might be

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Speaker 3: available for adoption.

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Speaker 6: Yeah. Absolutely, and each location hosts open hours Tuesday through Sunday.

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Speaker 6: They vary based on location, but you can just come

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Speaker 6: right in talk to a staff member if you're interested

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Speaker 6: in a particular animal, and they can you know, walk

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Speaker 6: the walking through the adoption process.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I wouldn't encourage people just to show up for

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Speaker 3: the you know, unannounced, but they could get the time

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Speaker 3: and maybe call ahead of time and make an appointment

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Speaker 3: or find out at least what time they would be.

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Speaker 6: We actually don't even do appointments. We encourage you to

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Speaker 6: just come down during open hours.

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Speaker 3: Perfect, Okay, thanks for that clarification. Jamie Garabedian, thank you.

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Speaker 3: Congratulations on the successful rat adoption program. And I'm I'm

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Speaker 3: really thrilled for you and for the success of the program,

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Speaker 3: and I'm thrilled for the families and the individuals who

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Speaker 3: have decided to go ahead and adopt and adopt a rat.

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Speaker 3: Thanks so much. Keep us in touch of it.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, thank you so much for sharing our story.

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I also wanted to share the success of

527
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Speaker 3: the story because there's one thing that people now know

528
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Speaker 3: that that was a successful story. And there are people,

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Speaker 3: I'm sure who are listening tonight who may have that

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Speaker 3: a rat at home as a result of our past conversation.

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Speaker 3: So I thank you for your time tonight and call

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Speaker 3: us anytime.

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Speaker 6: Thanks Dan, very.

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Speaker 3: Welcome Jamie Garabedian of the Massachusetts Society for the Prevention

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Speaker 3: of Cruelty to Animals and a rat adoption program, and

536
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Speaker 3: it worked perfectly. When we come back on to talking

537
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Speaker 3: to the cybersecurity expert about the potential of Iranian backed

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Speaker 3: hackers and what they may be planning to do. We'll

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Speaker 3: be back on Nightside with Lisa Soto right after this.

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Speaker 1: It's Night Side with.

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Speaker 2: Boston's News Radio.

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Speaker 3: All right, I think everybody knows that there's war underway

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Speaker 3: between the United States and run. The war, you could

544
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Speaker 3: argue started two weeks ago, or you could argue that

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Speaker 3: it started in nineteen seventy nine when the Iranian Revolution

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Speaker 3: occurred and the American embassy was occupied and American diplomats

547
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Speaker 3: were held hostage. But either way, there's a new group

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Speaker 3: of cyber threats that exists from Iranian backed hackers with US.

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Speaker 3: As Lisa Soto, she's a cyber security expert. She's with

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Speaker 3: a group called Hunting Andrews Kurth LLP. She's also the

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Speaker 3: chair of Global Privacy and Cybersecurity Practice. Lisa, how has

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Speaker 3: the world changed and served for the United States in

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Speaker 3: terms of the let since it was let us say,

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Speaker 3: three weeks ago.

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Speaker 1: Well, the world hasn't changed that much in the last

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Speaker 1: three weeks.

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Speaker 2: We've been We've been.

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Speaker 1: Wary of nation state cyber actors for years now, and

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Speaker 1: of course in any conflict situation, worry that the adversary

560
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Speaker 1: is going to take further action during During times of conflict,

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Speaker 1: cybercrime is much easier. There's no boots on the ground.

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Speaker 1: You do it through cyberspace. So it's a much easier

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Speaker 1: way to conduct espionage and to attack both governments and

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Speaker 1: companies alike. And you can do all kinds of things,

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Speaker 1: but mostly you can recavoc on systems.

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Speaker 3: So the company that was attacked last week is a

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Speaker 3: company called Striker. It was the first US company I

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Speaker 3: guess attack last week. Tell us about Striker? Why would

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Speaker 3: they go after I'm unfamiliar with Striker. I should I

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Speaker 3: should know more about it. But what does Striker do

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Speaker 3: and why would they Why were they the first target?

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Speaker 3: Do you believe?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right to raise it. It was actually a

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Speaker 1: very significant target. Striker is a huge global company and

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Speaker 1: they are in the medical supply business and so they

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Speaker 1: are critical infrastructure uh and and they've this has had

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Speaker 1: a huge impact on the healthcare industry globally, so it's

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Speaker 1: a it's a very significant hit. This was the first

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Speaker 1: real foray against an American company at least. There have

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Speaker 1: been a number of entities hit in the region. But

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Speaker 1: this one hit an American company very, very hard. So

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Speaker 1: we are reeling from that attack. And I would imagine

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Speaker 1: that critical critical infrastructure in the United States is taking

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Speaker 1: all the lessons to heart and really trying to harden

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Speaker 1: systems and shore up any vulnerabilities.

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Speaker 3: So I know that there's a lot of hackers around

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Speaker 3: the world, and I know that a lot of companies

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Speaker 3: are their systems are frozen, and these extortionists, because that's

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Speaker 3: what they are, they want money to unfrerees the systems

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Speaker 3: in the country. Those are the Eastern European and the

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Speaker 3: Russian hackers. They're looking for money and they're generally they

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Speaker 3: look for crypto money to be pushed put into accounts

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Speaker 3: that can't be traced. This is different the the Iranian

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Speaker 3: hackers are they looking They're looking to do physical damage

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Speaker 3: to to cyber infrastructure in America. How can how can

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Speaker 3: we counter attack or how can we defend against them?

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Speaker 1: Lisa, You're you're absolutely right to break it down into

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Speaker 1: two categories, criminal hackers and nation state actors. And so

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Speaker 1: we're not dealing with criminal hackers here necessarily, although there

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Speaker 1: are a number of criminal hacker groups that align with

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Speaker 1: the ideology in Iran, so they may actually it may

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Speaker 1: be a hybrid approach of nation state actors and then

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Speaker 1: criminal actors as well, who are essentially activists who share

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Speaker 1: the same m ideaology with around So what are what

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Speaker 1: are they looking to do?

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Speaker 2: They are we usually think about.

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Speaker 1: Nation state actors as looking to conduct espionage spying, right,

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Speaker 1: spying has been going on for so they don't.

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Speaker 3: Want they don't want us to companies to know that

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Speaker 3: they're they're inside their.

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Speaker 1: System traditionally correct, absolutely, and that's what nation states often

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Speaker 1: do as they sit inside systems and they either look

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Speaker 1: around and see what what they might might steel like

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Speaker 1: trade secrets for example, or they lay in wait, ready

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Speaker 1: to do damage if needed, if they need to trigger.

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Speaker 1: Here this is a this is a very active moment

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Speaker 1: in time, and so we expect criminal cyber actors who

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Speaker 1: are that are aligned with Iran to actually try to

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Speaker 1: recavoc and do very significant damage, if not to just

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Speaker 1: the company alone, but to the global economy. So we're

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Speaker 1: also really worried about other entities in the in the

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Speaker 1: critical infrastructure space. Think about utilities, electric.

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Speaker 3: Utilities, water supplies.

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Speaker 1: Water supplies. You can imagine the damage you can if

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Speaker 1: you contaminate remotely a municipal water treatment plant.

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Speaker 3: Let me ask you a really crazy question. Okay, sure,

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Speaker 3: have we've gotten so far out over our skis with

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Speaker 3: all of this, you know again, electronic connections and all

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Speaker 3: of that. Everybody's concerned about what's going to happen with AI,

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Speaker 3: and we talk about what happens when the robots take over?

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Speaker 3: Will the robots run the world? Is that enough of

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Speaker 3: a warning sign that we need to slow this thing down?

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Speaker 3: And maybe we have made a mistake of getting too

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Speaker 3: far out there. Meaning if this happened in nineteen seventy nine,

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Speaker 3: there's no one in Iran that could have attacked any

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Speaker 3: any you know, computer system in America. Kensey wasn't a

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Speaker 3: computer system in America.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: Should should we go back to you know, paying our

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Speaker 3: bills by mail, putting a stamp on the envelope and

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Speaker 3: send I mean, I just think a week. Are we

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Speaker 3: going too fast, too quickly downstream and we're all going

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Speaker 3: to drown?

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Speaker 1: It's too late. The cat's out of the bag. And

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Speaker 1: if we choose to slow down in the US, you

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Speaker 1: can bet that other countries will not, and particularly adversary countries.

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Speaker 1: So what's The solution is we need to race to

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Speaker 1: catch up and keep up and make sure that we're

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Speaker 1: saying one step ahead rather than one step behind.

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you I'm somebody who still writes my checks

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Speaker 3: and I love the security. I'm serious of sending the

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Speaker 3: check in the mail. I'm old fashioned, I guess, but

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Speaker 3: I feel you know again, pretty secret, Lisa, How can

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Speaker 3: folks get in touch with you? If most people come

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Speaker 3: on the program, they're they're selling a movie, or they're

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Speaker 3: selling a book, or they're doing something, well, is there

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Speaker 3: anything we can do for you in appreciation at the

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Speaker 3: time you've spent with us tonight.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. I'm happy to be here and happy to

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Speaker 1: stick with anybody. You can reach me at l s

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Speaker 1: O t t O at hunting h u n t

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Speaker 1: o N dot com.

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Speaker 3: So that's l. S O t t O. Which is

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Speaker 3: which is Lisa Soto at right hunting h U n

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Speaker 3: t o N dot com. Yes, perfect, Thank you very

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Speaker 3: list I might like to have you back some night

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Speaker 3: and talk about this in greater length than maybe even

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Speaker 3: take some phone calls from from our listeners here. But

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Speaker 3: this is something I'm.

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Speaker 1: Happy to do it. I'm happy to do it, really

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Speaker 1: important topic.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it really is. And I spend most of

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Speaker 3: my day today dealing with some offshore people dealing with

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Speaker 3: a computer issue. And I think that we're we're sending

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Speaker 3: too much American companies are sending too much responsibilities offshore,

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Speaker 3: in my opinion. And I know it's good for the

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Speaker 3: companies because they can hire people and export US jobs.

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Speaker 3: But that's counterproductive and I think it's going to hurt us.

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Speaker 3: And I love to talk about that at greater length.

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Speaker 1: Fair enough, next, next blessing, I'm happy to do it

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Speaker 1: another time.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: That is what I call an oxymoron. No blessing should

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Speaker 3: be anything other than a blessing. If you get my drink, Lisa,

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Speaker 3: we'll talk again, Thank you very much. All Right, Well,

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Speaker 3: once we come back right after the nine o'clock news,

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Speaker 3: we're going to talk about another questionable parole from the

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Speaker 3: Massachusetts State Parole Board. Where do you hear this one?

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Speaker 3: Coming back on nightside? Stay with us,