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Speaker 2: Let's have some fun.

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Speaker 1: On a Thursday, A magnificent Thursday.

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Speaker 2: I'm hoping it's going to be an informative Thursday because

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Speaker 2: we have a couple different things going on today. So

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Speaker 2: let me set the table for you on what's gonna

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Speaker 2: happen on tonight's world Famous Jesse Kelly Show. Gavin Newsom

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Speaker 2: is paying his dues with Democrat donors. I'll explain why.

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Speaker 2: I'll explain why Dome corin diversity higher, why are they

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Speaker 2: finally getting hard questions? What's actually going on here? Climate

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Speaker 2: change is not pulling as a main issue for people.

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Speaker 2: So we're actually gonna have a little talk probably fairly

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Speaker 2: have apparently legions of foreigners on welfare in this country,

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Speaker 2: all that in so much more coming up on the

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Speaker 2: world Famous Jesse Kelly Show. So before I get to

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Speaker 2: any of that, I wanted to touch a bit more

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Speaker 2: on Arctic frost because it's back, of course, it's in

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Speaker 2: the news today, looks like it's going to stay there

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Speaker 2: for the foreseeable future. A reminder maybe you've been on

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Speaker 2: the outs, maybe you've been in the mountains, Arctic frost.

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Speaker 2: Is that FBI investigation Special counsel Jack Smith, Christopher Ray,

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Speaker 2: the DJ. All these guys colluded. They all colluded to

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Speaker 2: weaponize the federal government against Republicans. So let me expand

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Speaker 2: on this a little bit more. You know, I try

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Speaker 2: we all know that's extremely rare, but in all serious

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Speaker 2: I try to be that person. But I have pride

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Speaker 2: like anyone else. How many have you gotten in arguments?

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Speaker 2: Have you gotten in in your life because you're just

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Speaker 2: too prideful to admit you're wrong. So I don't love it.

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Speaker 2: It's more fun to have to make Jewish producer Chris

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Speaker 2: grab some old prediction where I'm right and play that

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Speaker 2: and be obnoxious about it than to have to sit

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Speaker 2: here and tell you, well, I got something wrong. No

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Speaker 2: one enjoys that. You don't. I don't, But I'm going

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Speaker 2: to own something I was wrong about in my younger years.

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Speaker 2: For sure, when I got out, well while I was

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Speaker 2: in the Marine Corps. When I got out, I had

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Speaker 2: some very very strong views about national security and specifically terrorism.

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Speaker 2: This was the nine to eleven era. This is yeah,

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Speaker 2: you're right, Chris, I have every excuse in the world.

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Speaker 2: I watched the towers come down, and we fought against

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Speaker 2: these people. So I had some views on terrorism that

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Speaker 2: kind of went something like this. When people when libertarian

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Speaker 2: types and that's you. Honestly, if that's you, that's fine.

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Speaker 2: I guess that's maybe a bit may But libertarian types

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Speaker 2: back then would say, hey, obviously terrorism's bad. But expanding

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Speaker 2: government's domestic powers in the name of terrorism, allowing them

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Speaker 2: to spy here and inspy there on the American people

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Speaker 2: in the name of hunting down terrorists, that's a really,

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Speaker 2: really bad idea that's going to be abused. And young Jesse,

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Speaker 2: we'll call him twenty five year old Jesse, give or take,

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Speaker 2: used to mock and belittle those people. You're soft on terror,

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Speaker 2: you don't know what you're talking about. You're enabling the enemy.

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Speaker 2: But they were one hundred percent right. The truth is

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Speaker 2: giving the government power to hunt down domestic terror, which

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Speaker 2: obviously we want the government hunting down domestic terror, right,

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Speaker 2: but giving the government extra powers to sidestep this and

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Speaker 2: sidestep that, and the name of hunting down terror it

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Speaker 2: did pave the road for the government one day waking

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Speaker 2: up and deciding that you are a terrorist. When we

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Speaker 2: to hunt down domestic terrorists, well you know what we

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Speaker 2: were talking about Isis. I'm talking about these ge Hotti

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Speaker 2: I don't mean me, but of course, eventually our federal

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Speaker 2: government gets occupied by evil communists and for them, all

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Speaker 2: their political enemies are terrorists. And you know what bothers

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Speaker 2: me about this, what bothers me about me about not

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Speaker 2: seeing this coming Historically, if you go re things that

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Speaker 2: they use for their political opponents they're persecuting almost all

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Speaker 2: Because nobody Stalin, Mao, nobody wants to stand in front

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Speaker 2: go get them frigging terrorists. And back when they were

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Speaker 2: had a lot to learn, didn't you. So we have

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Speaker 2: this artic frost thing that wasn't actually the point of

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Speaker 2: and we talk about other things. One of them is

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Speaker 2: are finally becoming angry about the FBI's abuse of power.

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Speaker 2: What bothers me is that they Republicans had to be

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Speaker 2: me too. Before I go to insulting the communists, I

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Speaker 2: that people are self serving by their nature, and I

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Speaker 2: I understand that. But we elect Republicans not because we're

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Speaker 2: We elect Republicans because we, oftentimes I know I do,

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Speaker 2: That's why we elected Republicans. We elect Republicans to fight

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Speaker 2: the communists on our behalf. That's why. That's why. And

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Speaker 2: they know that, by the way, that's why they run

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Speaker 2: all these ads. I'm sure they're already on your television,

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Speaker 2: depending where you are. I'll be the fighter. I'm going

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Speaker 2: to fight. Elect me at all, I'll fight. I'm a fighter.

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Speaker 2: Look at me. I fight. They know that we elect

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Speaker 2: these people to fight on our behalf, not their behalf. Now,

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Speaker 2: a central figure in this whole Arctic frost thing is

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Speaker 2: Justice Boseburg. I know, you know the name. Do you

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Speaker 2: know why you know the name? He's that alien looking

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Speaker 2: issuing these rulings, trying to stop everything Trump does. It

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Speaker 2: wasn't long ago we were right here, you and me

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Speaker 2: screaming about Boseburg this and Boseburg Dad, and Boseburg this

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Speaker 2: on all this illegal crap the FBI was doing. You

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Speaker 2: guessed it, Boseburg. Now today we had a Republican politician,

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Speaker 2: after republican politician, United States senators get up behind the

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Speaker 2: podium and call for the impeachment of Justice Boseburg. All right,

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Speaker 2: sounds good, totally agree. I don't know about you. I'm

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Speaker 2: not going to be shedding any tears for Justice Boseburg.

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Speaker 2: But it wasn't until your phone line was tapped. What

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Speaker 2: if it was my phone line would you be calling

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Speaker 2: for I know I'm not a senator, I'm not a

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Speaker 3: You know what?

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Speaker 2: Forget about me because I have a big platform radio

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Speaker 2: show and all that. What if it was you? What

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Speaker 2: if they found out Justice Boseburg approved a completely evil,

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Speaker 2: illegal wiretap on your cell phone, collecting your data, by

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Speaker 2: the way, just like they did to all those poor

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Speaker 2: January six ers. How many you know what? That's a

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Speaker 2: perfect example. Let me ask you a question. Name for

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Speaker 2: me every Republican senator who called for a judge to

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Speaker 2: be impeached because they approved the illegal wire tapping of

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Speaker 2: January six ers. Anybody is it? Is this microphone on

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Speaker 2: but they get their information hoovered up. Now it's a

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Speaker 2: big deal. That's crap, man. We expect you to fight

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Speaker 2: for us, not just you. All right now, set that,

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Speaker 2: Setting that aside, we'll riff on the communists here briefly,

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Speaker 2: then we'll move on. Jd Vance has impressed me. Impressing me.

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Speaker 2: Brandon Wiker's coming up a half hour from now to

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Speaker 2: talk about Venezuela and China. Russia is flying military cargo

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Speaker 3: Is the Jesse Kelly Show on a fantastic Thursday. I

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Speaker 3: have to remind you that tomorrow is asked doctor Jesse Friday.

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Speaker 3: All three hours belong to you, and you need to

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Speaker 3: get your questions emailed in right now, don't wait till

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Speaker 3: tomorrow Jesse at jessekellyshow dot com three hours. Whatever he

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Speaker 3: asked me doesn't even have to be political. Back to

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Speaker 3: what we were discussing, so artic frost, that's back in

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Speaker 3: the news. We covered a bit of the mouthfeasons, although

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Speaker 3: there's more stuff that's coming out. I'll get to that

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Speaker 3: politicians are now finally calling for the impeachment of judges,

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Speaker 3: expressing a great deal of outrage because their phones have

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Speaker 3: been tapped, because they have been tracked, and now it is.

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Speaker 2: A big deal. But you matter as much as they do.

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Speaker 2: At least you would like them to think that, or

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Speaker 2: at least pretend. But either setting that aside, this is

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Speaker 2: not criminal at all. These are all groups on the

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Speaker 2: witch hunt to create an enemy's list. This was insanely

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Speaker 2: that's what they did. I'm going to read you something.

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Speaker 2: It's a direct quote Ken Delanian as a communist. He

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Speaker 2: he's a communist. So I just laid out what they did.

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Speaker 2: Keep in mind, as I mentioned yesterday, tracking people's not

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Speaker 2: just their phone numbers, who they called, who they texted,

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Speaker 2: what their location was, tearing apart organizations, hoo bring up.

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Speaker 2: It was so far reaching, so illegal, so out of line.

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Speaker 2: The communists got elected and used all the forces inside

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Speaker 2: the government against his political opponents to create enemies lists,

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Speaker 2: hunt down innocent people all over the country. Now this

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Speaker 2: is Ken Delanian quote. He's talking about Chuck Grassley. He

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Speaker 2: has yet to produce evidence, and he put this in quotes,

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Speaker 2: the Biden DOJ did anything improper in investigating a plot

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Speaker 2: or that Biden had anything to do with the investigation

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Speaker 2: at all. January sixth, I will always believe was an

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Speaker 2: operation conducted by the federal government. I believe there is

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Speaker 2: a mountain of evidence out there, the FBI agents in

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Speaker 2: the crowd, the people who have never been identified, who

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Speaker 2: were the main instigators of all that riot stuff. Now,

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Speaker 2: and they did. It's really bad. All right? Are we

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Speaker 2: Now we have to talk Venezuela. We have to talk China.

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Speaker 2: Brandon Wikert is our go to for all of these questions.

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Speaker 2: He has criticisms of the China deal. But first, before

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Speaker 5: Well, it's because they know we're getting ready to invade

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Speaker 5: Well, the Russians aren't saying that. It's the Venezuelans who

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Speaker 2: What can these things do? What's the range? Well, what's

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Speaker 5: Well? Just nothing? Get two technical. Our ships, all of

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Speaker 5: No, I am sure that we will be doing our

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Speaker 5: The problem is, you know, Trump said he doesn't like

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Speaker 2: trade deal. But we have one more year now with

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Speaker 5: trade war, well, this is a this is a sticky,

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Speaker 5: wicked I'm getting a lot of pushback from my friends

433
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Speaker 5: and the and mar Lago crew because I think we

434
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Speaker 5: got our butts handed to us in the trade war

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Speaker 5: by China, and I think the Chinese know it, and

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00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:42,959
Speaker 5: I think the rest of the world, notably the Global

437
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 5: South knows it, which is breathing new life into the

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Speaker 5: Bricks Alliance. Contrary to what Trump said, It's not dead,

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Speaker 5: you know. It's the fact of the matter is China

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00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 5: had one card to play and they played it brilliantly,

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Speaker 5: and that was the the rare earth mineral ban, or

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Speaker 5: the threat of a rare earth mineral ban, specifically the

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Speaker 5: export controls they wanted to put in on heavy rare

444
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Speaker 5: earth minerals. That's the stuff that we need to make

445
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 5: everything from your laptop to cruise missiles and everything in between.

446
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 5: And the Chinese control the bulk of it. And when

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00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:20,880
Speaker 5: Trump went after them in the trade war, they said,

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Speaker 5: you could tear of us.

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Speaker 2: All you want.

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Speaker 5: But you're not getting access to the rare earth minerals.

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Speaker 5: And now Trump realized that, and that's why he's trying

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Speaker 5: to cut a deal at all costs.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so, Brandon, how in the world do we get

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Speaker 2: to a place where the Chinese controls so much that

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Speaker 2: they have this leverage over us?

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Speaker 1: What?

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Speaker 5: Well, remember this is what Trump was rightly attacking in

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Speaker 5: all three of his campaigns whenever the issue of trade

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Speaker 5: came up. I mean, he's the only president in my

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Speaker 5: lifetime he talked about this seriously and had an idea

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Speaker 5: of what to do about it. The problem is he

462
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Speaker 5: ran out of time, he ran out of daylight. Because

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Speaker 5: what happened was, going back to the nineteen seventies, Nixon

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Speaker 5: and Carter both opened up to China, and ever since then,

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Speaker 5: forty or fifty years now, both Republican and Democratic Party

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Speaker 5: presidents have systematically dismantled our own capability to produce stuff

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Speaker 5: and to mine for things here, and they gave it

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Speaker 5: to the Chinese. And as we shut down here and

469
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 5: Wall Street got rich off the shutting down of everything,

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Speaker 5: the Chinese were able to make themselves into a industrial

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Speaker 5: mega megapower or superpower. And now they've reached kind of

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Speaker 5: that critical moment where they have their hand on the

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Speaker 5: beating heart of the rare earth mineral market, which is

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Speaker 5: the one bottleneck that if they were to cut us

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Speaker 5: off from we would basically go back to the eighteenth

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Speaker 5: century technologically.

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Speaker 2: Don't we have our hand on their economic heart too,

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Speaker 2: because they need us buying things? Or have they found

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Speaker 2: so many new customers they don't need us as bad

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Speaker 2: as they used to need Well.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and this is the key thing here. You know,

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Speaker 5: it's not that the Chinese beat us so completely. They're

483
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Speaker 5: laughing that, you know, we're never going to be a factor.

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Speaker 5: You're right. They did need us to buy stuff, at

485
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 5: least for now, but they are finding alternative markets much

486
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 5: the same way the Russians are for their stuff. The

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00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 5: key thing here with China is the objective, right, What

488
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Speaker 5: was our objective? What was their objective? Our objective was

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00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 5: a lot harder to achieve. Our objective was we want

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Speaker 5: to get as much of our stuff out of China

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Speaker 5: and get our companies out of China to either return

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Speaker 5: to the United States on shoring or reshoring, or to

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Speaker 5: go to a friendly country called friendshoring where our supply

494
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 5: chains couldn't be disrupted and China couldn't do what they

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00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 5: were what they did ultimately to us in the trade war.

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Speaker 5: What China's objective was was a lot easier. They just

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Speaker 5: needed to hang on long enough to inflict enough pain

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Speaker 5: on our farmers and our high tech and our defense

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Speaker 5: establishment that they would then get us to reopen trade

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Speaker 5: with them. And that is exactly what they've gotten. And

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00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 5: so that is why I say they won the trade war,

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00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 5: because their objectives were much more attainable, and they calculated

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Speaker 5: correctly that by squeezing us on that one issue, the

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00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 5: rare mineral issue, they could basically get us to know

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Speaker 5: contort in ways I don't think Trump would have had

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Speaker 5: to do even four years ago. My friend Dan Collins,

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Speaker 5: who's done a bunch of business in China, he's a

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Speaker 5: factory guy. He builds factories for a living. He told

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Speaker 5: me about it two weeks ago that the reason the

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Speaker 5: tech war the trade war went better in Trump's first

511
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 5: term is because China depended on us for helium. You

512
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Speaker 5: need helium to make a lot of this technology that

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Speaker 5: China's making. So from twenty twenty until about a year ago,

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00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 5: China embarked on a nationwide Manhattan project to no longer

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Speaker 5: be dependent on the US for helium. That was our

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00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 5: silver bullet against them in the trade war. They took

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Speaker 5: it away from US, and they knew when Trump got

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Speaker 5: elected he was going to play the trade war card.

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Speaker 5: We didn't have the kind of vulnerability to exploit in

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Speaker 5: them that they had on us with the rare earth mineral,

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00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 5: which is why it's playing out the way it is now.

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Speaker 2: Brandon, I've only got about a minute left, but I

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Speaker 2: do have to ask, because you mentioned it, why is

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Speaker 2: bricks not dead? I thought we were past all.

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Speaker 5: This well, because look, America looks weak right now, and

526
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 5: they don't like the way that we handle the dollar,

527
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 5: how we weaponize it and we use it for sanctions

528
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 5: and whatnot. Or they're threatening to take the Sovereign Wealth

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Speaker 5: Fund of Russia, a nuclear armed superpower. So the rest

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Speaker 5: of the developing world is going, hey, if they can

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Speaker 5: do that to Russia, the Americans are going to do

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Speaker 5: it to little old US. So we're going to align

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Speaker 5: with Russia and China because we're not going to be

534
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 5: pushed around. It's the politics of resistance, that's what you're

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Speaker 5: dealing with.

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Speaker 2: Brandon. Weikert go read his stuff. He writes amazing books.

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Speaker 2: By the way, Brandon, thank you, brother, I appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Dang it, I was hoping. Look, I understand when it

539
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 2: comes to deals. This is why I wanted him on

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Speaker 2: today to talk about this China deal. I understand when

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Speaker 2: it comes to deals that not everybody, no side, is

542
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 2: going to be one hundred percent happy. That's part of

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00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 2: the point of making a deal. You're going to have

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Speaker 2: to give a little one. I'm gonna have to give

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00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 2: a little I understand all that, and I am hopeful

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Speaker 2: that we will come out the back end of this well.

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Speaker 2: But we essentially the clock has begun ticking. From what

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00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 2: I understand about this trade deal. We don't have rare

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00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 2: earths for years. We have it for a year. We

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00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 2: have a year to figure out how to source this stuff.

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Speaker 2: If we cannot, we will technologically fall behind the other

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00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 2: superpower on the globe that wants to topple us. And

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Speaker 2: that kind of seems important, doesn't it? All right? All right,

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Speaker 2: never fear, that's only one hour. We still have two

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Speaker 2: more hours left on an amazing Thursday. And then ask

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Speaker 2: doctor Jesse Friday's coming tomorrow. So don't worry, hang on,