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Speaker 2: Thank god, we've reached the point of the show where

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Speaker 2: we call Richard Skinner Local twelve Local twelve dot com

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Speaker 2: on Twitter at Local twelve Skinny, Hi, Richard.

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Speaker 3: Hey mo, can you give me fifteen seconds here? I

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Speaker 3: just want to share everybody's sentiments about Tony Pike. It's

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Speaker 3: wholly unfair. As someone who's been riffed in this business,

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Speaker 3: it's a gut punch. But I'll tell you this, and

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Speaker 3: it'll happen for Tony. One door closes, a better door opens.

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Speaker 3: And he's a really talented guy. I know he's gonna

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Speaker 3: land on his feet.

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Speaker 4: You only won fifteen seconds.

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Speaker 3: Well, I could do longer, but I thought i'd keep

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Speaker 3: it condensed just for you.

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Speaker 4: That's kind of you. I second everything.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 4: You could bring back the angry quarterbacks.

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Speaker 3: We could. I've actually thought about that. I don't think

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Speaker 3: that's out of the reach out of my mind somewhere.

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Speaker 4: Very very good.

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Speaker 2: How how taken aback were you when you found out

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Speaker 2: that the solution that quarterback is.

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Speaker 4: Going to be Joe Flacco.

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't say stunned, but if you started tossing around names,

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Speaker 3: he probably wasn't when you were tossing around. But you know,

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Speaker 3: I know people are banging the drum for Russell Wilson,

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Speaker 3: and I mean, let's face it, there's been four teams,

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Speaker 3: three teams in a row that have given up on

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Speaker 3: that guy. There's a reason for that, right, I mean,

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Speaker 3: there just is. And then there's also the diva stuff

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Speaker 3: that comes with it, and maybe it's unfair, and maybe

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Speaker 3: I've not been in a locker room with Russell, so

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Speaker 3: I've never had an interaction with Russell, so maybe that's

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Speaker 3: completely unfair. But it just wasn't gonna be the fit.

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Speaker 3: And then you know, Jamis is fun. I mean he's fun,

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Speaker 3: but he's Jake downing three interceptions, three touchdowns fun. That's

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Speaker 3: not much fun, right, I mean, it's just not. The

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Speaker 3: cousin's thing was interesting. Depends on how you would have

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Speaker 3: done the contract machinations, how much you would have been

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Speaker 3: on the hook four, because maybe it would have been

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Speaker 3: worthwhile because you're gonna need a back up next season

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Speaker 3: and maybe he could be that guy, but a ten

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Speaker 3: million dollars backups a lot. I mean, so yeah, I

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Speaker 3: mean where you fell here, I'm okay with it. I

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Speaker 3: mean he didn't move my needle a ton. If you

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Speaker 3: use advanced metrics, you know, Jake Brown's the worst one

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Speaker 3: in the league. And guess who's right above him next

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Speaker 3: door in the league. It's Shoe Flacco. But I do

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Speaker 3: think this offense is interesting because he still has that

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Speaker 3: big arm. They still have a lot of quick stuff

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Speaker 3: where you know, make a quick read, get it out

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Speaker 3: of your hands, and I think that's where Jake was

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Speaker 3: really struggling. He just was having a hard time with

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Speaker 3: progressions and making quick reads and making quick decisions. I

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Speaker 3: don't think that'll be a problem for Joe Flacco. I

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Speaker 3: am a little stun You signed the guys on a Tuesday,

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Speaker 3: and he's gonna start a game on a Sunday. I

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Speaker 3: really thought whoever they signed, it would almost be Jason.

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Speaker 3: Get a couple more starts, and maybe he works his

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Speaker 3: way out of this, and you know, after that, through

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Speaker 3: that Thursday night game, because it's a quick week, then

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Speaker 3: we'll go in a different direction with the guy we

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Speaker 3: brought in. Because we've gotten up to speed. This tells

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Speaker 3: you how desperate they were, right, I mean, they'd had enough,

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Speaker 3: they'd seen enough. They didn't think they could win with

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Speaker 3: Jake any longer, and so you had to pull the

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Speaker 3: trigger again. It doesn't move my needle much because again,

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Speaker 3: I don't know what to expect. I know what I've seen,

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Speaker 3: and what i've seen has been eh. Yeah, I've seen

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Speaker 3: from Jake has beenah. So I get it, and I'm

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Speaker 3: a big fan of Jakes. It just didn't work, and

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Speaker 3: I'm so stunned it didn't. I'm I'm probably the most

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Speaker 3: surprised person it didn't work because what I saw in

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Speaker 3: those seven games in twenty three was a capable quarterback.

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Speaker 3: What I saw in these three games this year was

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Speaker 3: the guy we feared that would be in there in

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Speaker 2: I'm stunned it didn't work because my expectations weren't huge, right.

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Speaker 4: I looked for competence.

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Speaker 2: I looked for just be capable, make it function, and

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Speaker 2: if it does, especially in those games against Denver and Minnesota,

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Speaker 2: that could have been enough. The fact that it cratered

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Speaker 2: I think it's actually a pretty shocking development.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I just never would have seen that coming. Could

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Speaker 3: I tell you he's gonna play Joe Burrow level football

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Speaker 3: for three games?

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Speaker 3: But again I saw it confident court. I saw a

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Speaker 3: guy go to a game in Jacksonville on a Monday

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Speaker 3: night when Jacksonville at the time was really good and

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Speaker 3: they cratered that season, but they were really good, and

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Speaker 3: he goes thirty two and thirty seven and helps him

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Speaker 3: win the game in overtime. They kept him in the

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Speaker 3: playoff race. I just listen, I asked. I asked Jake

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Speaker 3: that question in the press conference. I asked that that question.

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Speaker 3: I asked Dan Pitcher when we have him in kind

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Speaker 3: of a writer's only session, that question. And no one

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Speaker 3: seems to be able to put their finger on what's

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Speaker 3: different between Jake Browning now and Jake Browning. Then Jake

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Speaker 3: gave me a decent enough answer where you know we

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Speaker 3: had the run game going in the screen game. Okay,

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Speaker 3: you probably did, because I think your strength is using

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Speaker 3: play action, getting under center. I mean, remember we talked

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Speaker 3: and the under center and the bootlegs. Well, what maybe

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Speaker 3: you incorporate that with Joe Burrow it looks so good,

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Speaker 3: well when you didn't run the football and he didn't

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Speaker 3: protect very well, and then Jake got in his own head.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think Sunday after Sunday night, him talking

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Speaker 3: to the media Sunday night, it was almost like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: this can't go forward. He a mess at the moment.

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Speaker 2: With Joe Flacco, I get somebody who's who's a quick study.

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Speaker 2: He's done the quick study thing before with the Browns,

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Speaker 2: although admittedly not this quickly and at the very least

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Speaker 2: like I've seen Jamar Chase get.

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Speaker 4: Open and the ball will not come his way.

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Speaker 2: And I feel like that will get rectified even if

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Speaker 2: there are mobility issues.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I agree, the mobility issues are real. You

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Speaker 3: can you can mask some of that with a little

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Speaker 3: bit more more max protection. Mike Literally, you know there's

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Speaker 3: two guys in the route at number five and number one,

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Speaker 3: maybe a third there's a checkdown guy. I mean you

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Speaker 3: can do that. Teams do. There's two man routes all

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Speaker 3: the time in this league, and those are two pretty

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Speaker 3: good guys to send out. Now, then you hear that

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Speaker 3: All those things. You know, he's willing to throw the

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Speaker 3: ball away. You know, I'm gonna put a name here

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Speaker 3: in a minute. I did it yesterday when I did

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Speaker 3: a TV segment. I got a statue quarterback. Peyton Manning

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Speaker 3: was a literal statue quarterback did okay. Now, he had

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Speaker 3: better offensive lines, and he had certainly the Marvin Harrison

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Speaker 3: so he had all those things going on. But he

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Speaker 3: was a statue and he did pretty good.

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Speaker 2: No, you're right, I mean I'm not. I'm less worried

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Speaker 2: about that. And more, can he master the basics? And

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Speaker 2: I think Joe Flacco can and and mastering the basics

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Speaker 2: in this offense still means there's a high end that

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Speaker 2: this unit collectively can hit.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I think that's the part too. I like, I mean,

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Speaker 3: can you still throw it? He sure can? Okay, Now

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Speaker 3: that's that's point one. He's a very smart guy, There's

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Speaker 3: no question about that. I mean, I thought it was

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Speaker 3: this stuff as he was being driven from Cleveland to yesterday.

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Speaker 3: But I think it shows you that, hey, we got

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Speaker 3: no time to waste, man, we got to get do

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Speaker 3: this thing. I hazact today. You know, do you scale

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Speaker 3: some stuff back? And he said, yeah, you gotta be

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Speaker 3: mindful of it. I mean, I don't think you're gonna

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Speaker 3: throw a whole playbook into into the game plan now

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Speaker 3: for for Joe Flacco. But I want to bet you

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Speaker 3: there's a chunk of the playbook that's probably more than

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Speaker 3: what we think that's going to be available to him.

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Speaker 3: And I will say this, it's it's made a trip

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Speaker 3: and I'm taking a driving trip as you know with

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Speaker 3: some of our friends. Yeah, it's made a trip that

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Speaker 3: was going to be oh gosh for going up here

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Speaker 3: to watch this again, to at least it's going to

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Speaker 3: interesting good or interesting bad.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that car ride's going to be interesting. And frankly,

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Speaker 2: I think that's still the most interesting thing about this weekend.

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Speaker 3: It might be. It just might be.

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Speaker 4: Thanks as always, man, I appreciate it. Figure that's our guy.

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