1 00:00:01,360 --> 00:00:06,360 Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Dan Ray on WBS, Boston's news radio. 2 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:10,720 Speaker 2: All right, everybody, welcome back, Thank you very much, Dan Watkins. 3 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 2: As we move into the ten o'clock hour, because at 4 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 2: this hour of the night we are heard in further 5 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:23,599 Speaker 2: portions of the country over terrestial radio. We like to 6 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 2: talk about national issues, and there's no more important national 7 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 2: issue to talk about this week and probably so far 8 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 2: this year, than what's going on. I'm halfway around the 9 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 2: world in Iran. Delighted to be joined tonight by Jeff Robbins, 10 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 2: a friend for many years, a syndicated columnist, a lawyer 11 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:45,560 Speaker 2: of great reputation here in Boston, first Amendment lawyer, amongst 12 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:50,199 Speaker 2: other things, just an incredible human being who has been 13 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 2: involved in so many of these issues over the years. 14 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 2: Served as the executive director of the Anti Defamation League 15 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 2: here in Massachusetts. He served as a delegate to the 16 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:08,760 Speaker 2: United Nations during the Clinton administration. He's a Democrat, and 17 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 2: he wrote a very interesting piece for his syndicated column 18 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:17,480 Speaker 2: basically on the pros and cons of what is going 19 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 2: on halfway around the world in Iran. Jeff, as always, 20 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:24,760 Speaker 2: welcome back to Nightside, Dan, Thank. 21 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 3: You so much. For having me. 22 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 4: You know, this is. 23 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:33,119 Speaker 2: A tough one for you in that you are a Democrat, 24 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 2: and you have been a proud Democrat your entire life. Today, 25 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 2: every one of the Democrats in the US Senate, with 26 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 2: the exception of John Fetterman, voted to limit the war 27 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 2: powers of President Trump in his conduct so far as 28 00:01:54,480 --> 00:02:00,120 Speaker 2: exeemingly successful conduct of this war. Fetterman's no vote, the 29 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 2: only Democrat voting no, was sort of offset by ran Paul. 30 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 2: It wasn't a paired vote, but barn Paul, the Libertarian, 31 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 2: voted yes. So the motion to limit the president's ability 32 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 2: to conduct this war and the way in which he's 33 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 2: conducting it failed forty seven to fifty three. If you 34 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 2: were in the Senate today, Jeff, how would have you 35 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:24,919 Speaker 2: voted on that? 36 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:26,799 Speaker 1: Well? 37 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 3: I would have voted the way that the Fetterman voted in. 38 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 3: And here's what's so complicated about it. It's not just 39 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:36,239 Speaker 3: that I'm a Democratic, that I am appalled beyond words 40 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 3: at virtually everything this president, frankly has done, you know, 41 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 3: from A to Z, including his belief that he's completely 42 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:54,079 Speaker 3: unconstrained in terms of his executive power, that the other 43 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 3: two branches really can jump in a lake, and so 44 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:06,640 Speaker 3: I understand why there is such a reaction to this attack. Again, 45 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 3: no view that there's any need to get any kind 46 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 3: of authorization at all, although it's much more complex than 47 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:18,520 Speaker 3: we than one can say, the false statements, the kind 48 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 3: of shifting justifications, you name it. But on the other hand, 49 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:30,679 Speaker 3: I'm not sure what in the world we were supposed 50 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 3: to do other than to exceed year after year after 51 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 3: year to this god awful regime which has occupied Syria, 52 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:47,839 Speaker 3: occupied Lebanon, effectively occupied Gaza, attacked and killed Americans all 53 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 3: over the place, occupied Yemen, attacked Israel, killed people in 54 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 3: South America, in Europe, sends its drones to Russia to 55 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 3: kill Ukrainians, has this massive or had this massive ballistic 56 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 3: missiles capacity, and is racing to get a nuclear weapon. 57 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 3: Are we supposed to simply hope that nothing materializes here, 58 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 3: that we're basically we just sort of do a rain dance. 59 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 3: So I vote the way that Fetterman voted. You know, 60 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 3: with all due respect to those who have opposed the action, 61 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 3: I think that we really had no other good choice 62 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:29,840 Speaker 3: but to take it. 63 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 2: Well, there was a point in our history where I 64 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 2: think it was stated in this way that disagreements of 65 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 2: a foreign policy and at the ocean shore basic basically 66 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:46,480 Speaker 2: that whatever is going on on foreign policy, uh, we 67 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:49,359 Speaker 2: would we would stand together. And you know, all of 68 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:52,920 Speaker 2: that that tradition has gone on is totally gone at 69 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 2: this point, and we are just this sharply divided country. 70 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 2: I'm surprised that there weren't a couple more Democrat who 71 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:03,360 Speaker 2: might have joined. I think that if Joe Manchin had 72 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 2: still been in the Senate, he might have joined. And 73 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 2: I just think this, this predictable Republican Democratic split is 74 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:15,599 Speaker 2: not good for the country in my opinion. I don't 75 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:19,040 Speaker 2: know if you share that, but everything you know, I 76 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 2: think that you probably would have agreed with what Trump did. 77 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:23,479 Speaker 4: You said, this is the only thing you agreed with. 78 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 2: I suspect you probably agreed with when he took out 79 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:31,040 Speaker 2: or attempted to take out the nuclear in the hills 80 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:34,599 Speaker 2: in the mountains, the nuclear facilities in the mountains of 81 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 2: Iran last June. 82 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 3: Oh, no, no question about it. And you're and you're 83 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 3: absolutely right. The toxicity that we are that we face 84 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 3: right now is just awful. I mean, now, look, it 85 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 3: goes both ways. I remember that that that you know 86 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 3: that that Trump attacked Biden for quote unquote getting US 87 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:57,920 Speaker 3: into Russia's war against Ukraine because the president President Biden 88 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:02,279 Speaker 3: organized aid for Ukraine. And now the president has actually 89 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:05,799 Speaker 3: launched this president President Trump has launched actual troops, fifty 90 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 3: thousand of them in the Mid East. So there's plenty 91 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 3: of hypocrisy to go around. But on the subject of hypocrisy, 92 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:16,840 Speaker 3: you know, the Democrats did not think that it was 93 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 3: a violation of the Constitution or the War Powers Act 94 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:23,920 Speaker 3: when President Clinton unilaterally bombed Serbia for two and a 95 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:28,600 Speaker 3: half months in the nineteen nineties, or when President Obama 96 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 3: unilaterally attacked Libya in twenty eleven, in both cases without 97 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:35,280 Speaker 3: seeking congressional authorization, by. 98 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 4: The way, after Kadafi had given up. 99 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 3: His nuclear weapons, right, that's right. So you know, when 100 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 3: I hear some of the sanctimony about how could he 101 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:50,360 Speaker 3: possibly have taken these steps without getting congressional authorization, you know, 102 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 3: things ain't all on the level, and so there's but 103 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:59,600 Speaker 3: the bottom line is that it's not acceptable, year after 104 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:02,280 Speaker 3: year per year to simply say, oh, well, we acknowledge 105 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 3: that Iran is a terrible regime, and we acknowledge that 106 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:08,279 Speaker 3: it's a shame that they're there and do nothing. Uh 107 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 3: that that sounds like people are not ready for prime time, 108 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 3: and it's it's it's unknown what's going to happen. It's 109 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 3: incredibly expensive. We also have lost the lives of at 110 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 3: least six servicemen, which happens in war. But I, for 111 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 3: the life of me, don't know what alternative ultimately the 112 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 3: United States had for the good of itself and its allies. 113 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 3: But you take this action, Jeff, when we. 114 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 2: Get back up, I want to play a couple of 115 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 2: sound bites for you and get your reaction to them. 116 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 2: The other thing which which has always frustrated me, and 117 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 2: I'd like a quick comment on that. It's apparent to 118 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 2: me that when we talk about this particular you know, 119 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 2: former government or maybe the government still exists there. 120 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 4: This this the theocracy, this regime. 121 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 5: Uh. 122 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 2: That was somehow they took a religion which is one 123 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 2: of the you know, great religions of the world, and basically, 124 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 2: you know, prostituted it into some bizarre maniacal effort to 125 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 2: eradicate a neighbor, specifically Israel, and they sent assassination squads 126 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 2: around the world. As you you litinized all the things 127 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:31,120 Speaker 2: that they were involved in and killed. Well, I think 128 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 2: the figure that is mostly accepted. I don't know if 129 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:36,680 Speaker 2: it's more or less, but an incredible number of civilians 130 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:41,440 Speaker 2: who were protesting thirty two thousand Iranian civilians, and of 131 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:44,080 Speaker 2: course did the same thing in twenty ten during the 132 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 2: so called Green Revolution. 133 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 4: And yet there's. 134 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 2: Nobody in the Senate other than John Fetterman who would say, 135 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 2: you know, these people want to kill us all. They 136 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 2: want to kill you, they want to kill me, they 137 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 2: want to kill Elizabeth Warren, they want to kill ed Markie. 138 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 4: There's no disagreeinate. 139 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 2: If they had a dirty bomb and they could, you know, 140 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 2: detonated here in Massachusetts, it would have been detonated a 141 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 2: long time ago without hesitation. We're talking about a really day. 142 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 2: Kadafi didn't represent a clear and present threat to US, 143 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 2: particularly after he gave up his nuclear weapons. Saddam Hussein 144 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 2: I don't think represented and certainly historically we now understand 145 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 2: he didn't represent a clear threat to US Afghanistan. I 146 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 2: think that what other presidencies bungled those and put us 147 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 2: in twenty year wars, and including President Biden, what is 148 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 2: it that they don't understand that the guy wearing the 149 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:45,680 Speaker 2: Alla is God t shirt goes in and machine guns 150 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:48,960 Speaker 2: people to death in Austin, Texas as recently as last weekend. 151 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 2: What don't they understand about that is the hatred for 152 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 2: Trump so deep in abiding that they can't come to 153 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 2: say okay on this week and agree. 154 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:00,560 Speaker 3: Well, you're right, and just to take one of the 155 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:03,840 Speaker 3: things which you itemized, the thirty to thirty five thousand 156 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 3: at least Iranians who were gunned down, mowed down in 157 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:10,560 Speaker 3: the streets just a couple of weeks ago. Have we 158 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 3: seen a single protest any place about that? And the 159 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:17,560 Speaker 3: fact that there is no protest about it? What does 160 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:21,679 Speaker 3: that say about the sincerity and the intellectual honesty of 161 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 3: people on the left that there's been silence about the 162 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 3: murder of people, young people predominantly, who are doing nothing 163 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 3: more than to try to protest an unjust regime. 164 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:33,839 Speaker 2: When we get back, I have some sound bites I 165 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 2: want to get your reaction to, Jeff, and I also 166 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 2: want to hear from listeners at six one, seven, two, five, 167 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 2: four ten thirty six one seven, nine, three, one ten thirty. 168 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 2: I also would be interested to know you have been 169 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:49,679 Speaker 2: a great supporter of Israel, You've been obviously a fierce 170 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 2: critic of Iran. I'd love to know if there are 171 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:57,320 Speaker 2: others who do not like Donald Trump like you, and 172 00:10:57,400 --> 00:11:01,080 Speaker 2: I'm not thrilled with his demeanor at all, but I 173 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 2: think on this he's doing what needed to be done. 174 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 2: And I think some of the sound bites that I'll 175 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 2: have your reaction to will tend to prove that that thesis. 176 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:13,720 Speaker 2: Back on nights Side with Jeff Robbins, attorney, columnist, a diplomat, 177 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:17,440 Speaker 2: someone who's been involved in this country for a long time, 178 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 2: the executive director of the Anti Defamation League for many 179 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 2: years here in New England. Back on Nightside, join the 180 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 2: conversation if you would like, I would hope you would 181 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:28,720 Speaker 2: six one seven, two, five, four ten thirty six one 182 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 2: seven nine three one ten thirty Whether you would agree 183 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 2: or disagree with Jeff and or me, we can still 184 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 2: have a conversation, I hope. Back on Nightside after this. 185 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 1: You're on night Side with Dan Ray on BZY, Boston's 186 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 1: news radio. 187 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 4: Joined by Jeff Robbins. 188 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:49,719 Speaker 2: Tonight, Jeff has just released on one of his syndicated 189 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:53,840 Speaker 2: columnist basic columns, basically the pros and cons of what's 190 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 2: going on in around, Jeff, I want to get some 191 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:59,680 Speaker 2: reaction to you. These are comments that Steve Whitcoff made. 192 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 2: He has been the negotiated with the Iranians. Now I 193 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:08,959 Speaker 2: don't know Steve Woitkoff. I don't assume you know Steve Whitcough, 194 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 2: but as I've looked at his background, he seems to 195 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 2: be very successful real estate lawyer. He lost a son, 196 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:21,959 Speaker 2: I guess to a drug overdose, which obviously impacts people 197 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 2: who are in that situation. Extraordinarily friend of Donald Trump 198 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:30,560 Speaker 2: for a long time. So he met with the Iranians, 199 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 2: and here's some soundbites from him. I assume he's telling 200 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:37,960 Speaker 2: me the truth. I assume anybody is telling me the 201 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:41,679 Speaker 2: truth until I find otherwise. Let's start off with cut 202 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 2: six c rob. 203 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:48,320 Speaker 6: In that first meeting, both the Iranian negotiators said to 204 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 6: us directly, with no shame, that they controlled four hundred 205 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 6: and sixty kilograms of sixty percent and they're aware that 206 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 6: that could make eleven nuclear bus And that was the 207 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 6: beginning of the negotiating stance. 208 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 4: So, if you have been negotiating alongside. 209 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:15,559 Speaker 2: Steve Witkoff instead of the President's son in law Jered Kushner, 210 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 2: what would have you thought, as an experienced diplomat and 211 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:24,679 Speaker 2: as somebody who has been in these sorts of conversations. 212 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:29,200 Speaker 2: If I was Wikoff, I would have been like, these 213 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:32,400 Speaker 2: guys are just putting it out there that they're telling 214 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 2: me everything that I need to know about what their 215 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:35,720 Speaker 2: intentions are. 216 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:42,359 Speaker 3: Well, and you have to be credulous in the extreme 217 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 3: to believe that the Uranians are not in fact marching 218 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:49,440 Speaker 3: toward a nuclear weapon. I mean, where do you begin. 219 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 3: They're enriching uranium and have been at ever greater levels 220 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 3: when they don't when they're well beyond what's necessary for 221 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 3: civilian nuclear power. They had been about it constantly. The IAEA, 222 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 3: the international organization charged with monitoring atomic weapons, has said 223 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:13,200 Speaker 3: repeatedly that they've been dishonest, that they've been withholding information, 224 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:18,319 Speaker 3: that they've been blocking monitoring, you know, and on and 225 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 3: on it goes. You don't have to build civilian nuclear 226 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 3: nuclear facilities for civilian use underground and hide it, so 227 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 3: you know, the line is that, well, it was not imminent. 228 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 3: I don't understand what that means. I really don't understand 229 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 3: what it means that you have to wait until an 230 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:42,960 Speaker 3: imminent attack. Does it mean that weapons are being loaded 231 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 3: on planes. The whole point is that when something is imminent, 232 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 3: it's too late to do anything about it. 233 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 2: Well, so if you talk about something being imminent, listen 234 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 2: to this SoundBite from win Cough. I think this is 235 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 2: a stunning comment that he made. I have no reason 236 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 2: to disbelieve him. This is cut six B. 237 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 4: Please. 238 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 6: They have ten thousand, roughly kilograms of fissionable material that's 239 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 6: broken up into roughly four hundred and sixty kilograms of 240 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 6: sixty percent enriched uranium, another thousand kilograms of twenty percent 241 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 6: enriched uranium, and the balance is at three point sixty seven. 242 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 6: They manufacture their own centrifuges to enrich this material, so 243 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 6: there's almost no stopping them. They have an endless supply 244 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 6: of it. The sixty percent materials seean can be brought 245 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 6: to ninety percent that's weapon grade, weapons grade in roughly 246 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 6: one week, maybe ten days at the outside. The twenty 247 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 6: percent can be brought to weapons grade inside of three 248 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 6: to four weeks. 249 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 4: That sounds pretty eminent to me. 250 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 3: Jeff, Yeah, that's sufficiently imminent. And even if there's even 251 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 3: if there's overstatement, and it's not two weeks and I 252 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 3: guess I don't think that they were going to have 253 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 3: a weapon in two weeks, as I think the President 254 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 3: said earlier today, a big deal. The fact of the 255 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 3: matter is they are marching toward it, and all of 256 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 3: the shucking and the jiving and the and the wringing 257 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 3: our hands and oh my goodness, it's so terrible. You're 258 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 3: right that we really can't do anything. All that does 259 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 3: is make it likelier and likelier and likelier that we're 260 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 3: going to get to a place where we really there's 261 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 3: nothing we can do, and that it seems to me, 262 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 3: if your job is looking after the security of America, 263 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 3: that's an idiotic position. Frankly, I hate to be so 264 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 3: blunt about it. It's idiotic to say we're not going 265 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:40,920 Speaker 3: to do anything until it is imminent, when someone's going 266 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 3: to have to explain what it is that we do 267 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 3: when it is imminent. 268 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 2: Well, I have one more SoundBite that I want to 269 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 2: get your reaction too, because I found when I listened 270 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:55,040 Speaker 2: to this guy, he's a smart guy, and he is 271 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 2: he's he's he's digging down with a lot of specificity. 272 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 2: Here's the last bite we'll talk about before the news. 273 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 2: But I do want to get your reaction to it's 274 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:09,360 Speaker 2: thirty one seconds. I think it's devastatingly inculpatory of what 275 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:13,120 Speaker 2: their designs and goals were. Six A please, Rob. 276 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 6: We discussed with them ten years of no enrichment whatsoever, 277 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:20,679 Speaker 6: and we would pay for the fuel and it was 278 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 6: flatly rejected. And the President says, form that to have 279 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:28,639 Speaker 6: a good faith negotiation. Pardon me, you're saying that we 280 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 6: would give it to them. 281 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:32,159 Speaker 7: And they rejected it. 282 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 6: Actually had that, and they rejected that, which told us 283 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:40,360 Speaker 6: at that very moment that they had no notion of 284 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:44,679 Speaker 6: doing anything other than retaining enrichment for the purpose of weaponizing. 285 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:47,919 Speaker 4: Quick comment before the news. 286 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:50,720 Speaker 2: I mean, you listen to those three sound bites, and 287 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 2: unless this guy is a bold face liar, he's just. 288 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:56,160 Speaker 4: Made the case. 289 00:17:57,320 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 3: Unless this guy is a bold faced liar, then we're 290 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:04,119 Speaker 3: being told what we all believe, which is that he 291 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 3: is in fact of the Irans, in fact marching toward 292 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:10,439 Speaker 3: the use of nuclear material for military purposes. And I 293 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 3: don't see how anyone Democrat, Republican, independent can permit that 294 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 3: to occur. 295 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:18,720 Speaker 2: My guest is Jeff Robbins. I've introduced to him to 296 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:23,480 Speaker 2: you many times. You can call and speak directly with him. 297 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:28,400 Speaker 2: I have only lines that are open right now are six, one, seven, nine, three, one, 298 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:32,479 Speaker 2: ten thirty. Jeff will stay with us until eleven. After that, 299 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 2: it's going to be just you and me for the 300 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:37,520 Speaker 2: balance of the program until midnight. I think this is 301 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:41,360 Speaker 2: so important. I think this is so important for all 302 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:45,199 Speaker 2: of us, for our children and our grandchildren, for the 303 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:48,399 Speaker 2: State of Israel, for the United States of America, for 304 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:53,000 Speaker 2: Western civilization. I can't overstate the importance and the significance. 305 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 2: And that's why I'm doing it this way tonight. I 306 00:18:57,160 --> 00:19:00,480 Speaker 2: want you to understand what is at stake. Back on 307 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 2: Nights Side, right after the news at the bottom of 308 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 2: the hour. 309 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 1: You're on the Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm BZ 310 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:10,480 Speaker 1: Boston's News Radio. 311 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 2: My guest is Jeff Robbins, attorney, First Amendment attorney, amongst 312 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:20,320 Speaker 2: other specialties. Also a former diplomat for the United States, 313 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 2: the head of the Anti Defamation League here in New England, 314 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 2: and just and a friend and someone who is a 315 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:31,119 Speaker 2: great supporter of Israel as I am. And I'm proud 316 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 2: to do that and I know he is as well. Tonight, 317 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:37,680 Speaker 2: the War Powers Resolution failed forty seven to fifty three 318 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:42,240 Speaker 2: One Republican Ran Paul voted yes. One Democrat John Fetterman 319 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:45,359 Speaker 2: voted no. I'm troubled by the fact that it was 320 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:47,879 Speaker 2: on such along such party lines. We're going to get 321 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 2: to phone calls, all points of viewer. Welcome Jeff as 322 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:56,440 Speaker 2: a gentleman. He will take whatever questions you have or comments. 323 00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 2: Let's go first to Kate in Nashville and New Hampshire. Kate, 324 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 2: thanks very much for calling in. You were first as. 325 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 5: Hour night side a Hi. 326 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:07,399 Speaker 8: Thank you, And I will pre empt this with I 327 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:11,239 Speaker 8: just want to say I'm not a party person. No 328 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:15,440 Speaker 8: political party will tell me how I think and how 329 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 8: I feel. I base everything I do on my knowledge 330 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 8: or even lack thereof. But I'm going to say this, 331 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:25,360 Speaker 8: there's a few. 332 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 9: Things that bother me. 333 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 8: Sure if this was so important and eminent wit cough. 334 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:34,119 Speaker 8: I don't know a lot about his background, and I 335 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:36,439 Speaker 8: might be a little laive, but you did mention that 336 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:39,240 Speaker 8: he's a real estate lawyer and a friend of Trump's. 337 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:43,960 Speaker 8: He is not a diplomat. Great. I negotiate every day 338 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 8: doing contracts for my job. I would never undertake something 339 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 8: as big as that if I'm a real estate lawyer, Kushner, 340 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 8: same thing. They don't have the knowledge that a lot 341 00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 8: of people do, and I don't think they're getting the 342 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:03,879 Speaker 8: best advice. Secondly, I want to say so, I just 343 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:05,720 Speaker 8: want to say, let me finish, because I'm going to 344 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 8: forget all my good points. 345 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:07,400 Speaker 4: Okay, yes. 346 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:14,639 Speaker 8: Secondly, if this was so important and Trump really felt 347 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:19,679 Speaker 8: so important like other presidents, and I know other presidents 348 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:23,440 Speaker 8: didn't go through Congress, I get that. But just because 349 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 8: one doesn't do it, it doesn't mean it's not right. 350 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 8: The way our government is set up is that you 351 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:31,360 Speaker 8: go before Congress and if you're going to declare, if 352 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:34,000 Speaker 8: he had a plan and this was short term, that's 353 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 8: one thing. But this he doesn't have a plan. He 354 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:38,879 Speaker 8: hasn't been able to. He's said so many different things. 355 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:43,360 Speaker 8: None of us Americans know really what's going on. Thirdly, 356 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 8: we had a plan in place. Was it perfect under 357 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:52,160 Speaker 8: President Obama what he negotiated? Maybe not, But instead of 358 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:55,240 Speaker 8: getting rid of it because it had Obama's name on it, 359 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:59,040 Speaker 8: you take and build upon that and do make it better. 360 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:03,560 Speaker 8: Instead of scrapping everything and starting all over, you make 361 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:07,119 Speaker 8: things better, you build upon them. The same thing happened 362 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 8: when he had a healthcare plan he didn't like Obamacada. 363 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:13,399 Speaker 2: I'm not going to cut you off, but again, we 364 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:18,360 Speaker 2: try to do something that resembles a conversation. You've gone 365 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:22,560 Speaker 2: to twenty I get your point. You you don't trust Trump, 366 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 2: you don't trust wi Coough. I want Jeff to respond 367 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:30,480 Speaker 2: as somebody who also probably doesn't is not the biggest 368 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:33,360 Speaker 2: fan of Donald Trump. Jeff, I'd like you to meet 369 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:36,879 Speaker 2: Kate from Hudson, New Hampshire. She is neither Democrats'. 370 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:40,320 Speaker 8: Sorry, I'm just very passionate about this. By the way, 371 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:42,119 Speaker 8: I'm misspoken. 372 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:47,359 Speaker 2: So again, if you give me the privilege of I misspoke, 373 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:51,200 Speaker 2: it's Kate of Nashua, New Hampshire, not Hudson, New Hampshire. 374 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:53,360 Speaker 4: Go ahead, Jeff, enough. 375 00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 9: You're good. 376 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 3: So I agree with you on a couple of points. 377 00:22:58,320 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 3: On a bunch of points, I agree with you about 378 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:03,359 Speaker 3: uh my concern about witkof. I mean, in order to 379 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:07,679 Speaker 3: negotiate on on on nuclear weapons and ballistic missiles, you 380 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:11,240 Speaker 3: have to have technical knowledge about these issues. I don't 381 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 3: think that Witkoff had that. As for Kushioner, of course, 382 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:17,879 Speaker 3: you have to give him credit for having negotiated the 383 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 3: Abraham Accords. So he gets he gets some uh some 384 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:22,480 Speaker 3: serious credit there. But I agree with you. I have 385 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:25,359 Speaker 3: that concern, especially when they're trying to do you know, 386 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 3: Ukraine one day and and and Iran the next day. 387 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:31,480 Speaker 3: So I agree with you. I agree with you further 388 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:38,240 Speaker 3: that that there was no uh no plan, uh no 389 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:41,280 Speaker 3: day after plan. But but think about it this way. 390 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:45,200 Speaker 3: First of all, if you get congressional authorization. One of 391 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:49,480 Speaker 3: the reasons why we didn't get congressional authorization UH with Serbia, 392 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 3: or with Libya, or with the seizure or the killing 393 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:56,439 Speaker 3: of Osama bin Laden is if you have a national 394 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 3: debate on something, you lose any ability to act uh 395 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 3: in surgical way, which hopefully will shorten the period of 396 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 3: the conflict. So it's it's it's it's unrealistic to have 397 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:11,520 Speaker 3: a multi week, multi month national debate about something and 398 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:14,639 Speaker 3: think that you can still act effectively the way in 399 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 3: the practical, practical terms you have to be able to 400 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:18,399 Speaker 3: do in terms. 401 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:19,679 Speaker 9: Of the interbility question. 402 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:24,000 Speaker 4: Since you made a number of points, Kate, why don't you. 403 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:25,919 Speaker 8: Let them I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. 404 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:27,840 Speaker 4: In finish, and then you can respond you're not going 405 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:28,440 Speaker 4: to be cut. 406 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:31,679 Speaker 3: Off ahead Jeff I further concede that we don't know 407 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:33,960 Speaker 3: how this is going to work out. And I concede 408 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 3: further that our experiences in the Middle East with conflicts 409 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:41,840 Speaker 3: have have have not been great. Projections have not played out. 410 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:44,679 Speaker 3: Think about i Rock, think about Afghanistan. But on the 411 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 3: other hand, we have a situation over the last couple 412 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:51,720 Speaker 3: of years in which huge amounts of misery and suffering 413 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:56,400 Speaker 3: and death have been visited by this regime on Syria, 414 00:24:56,760 --> 00:25:04,240 Speaker 3: on Lebanon, on Gaza, on Israel, on Yemen, and it 415 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 3: wasn't stopping. Somebody either had to stop it or just say, 416 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:11,359 Speaker 3: you know what, We're just going to wring our hands 417 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,720 Speaker 3: and never stop it. So that is why, on balance 418 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:18,960 Speaker 3: I'm comfortable. I'm more than comfortable with what we have 419 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 3: done in the hope that even if we cannot predict 420 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:27,119 Speaker 3: what's going to happen, the severe degrading of Iran is 421 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:30,680 Speaker 3: good for the region. Last point, very quickly, look at 422 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:34,439 Speaker 3: what has happened over the last three days, the missile 423 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:38,840 Speaker 3: attacks on Kuwait, on Bahrain, on Oman, on Cutter. This 424 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 3: is exactly what those countries have been concerned about. In Iran, 425 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 3: which was a rogue god awful state armed with unlimited 426 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:51,639 Speaker 3: ballistic missiles and god forbid, ultimately a nuclear weapon able 427 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,639 Speaker 3: to hold the entire region hostage. It's tough for me 428 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:57,000 Speaker 3: to be upset about a scenario in which that threat 429 00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:58,879 Speaker 3: is removed, right. 430 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:04,679 Speaker 8: Head, Kate, So my question being, you didn't want to 431 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:07,680 Speaker 8: go to horror old Congress, and you wanted to be 432 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:10,920 Speaker 8: able to act quickly. But isn't that what the Gang 433 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:15,200 Speaker 8: of Eight is for? Wouldn't it have been smarter for him, 434 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,359 Speaker 8: almost you for lack of about our turn, excuse me 435 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:22,840 Speaker 8: cover his ass to at least advise the Gang of Eight? 436 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:27,639 Speaker 4: They did, Kate. The Trump administration did meet with the 437 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:29,920 Speaker 4: Gang of Eight ahead of time. They were briefed. 438 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:33,680 Speaker 8: Okay, I did not hear that. 439 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:34,800 Speaker 9: That's what they were. 440 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:37,879 Speaker 4: Both, Jeff, Jeff? Can I think Jeff will corroborate that. 441 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:40,560 Speaker 3: Go ahead, Jeff, I think that's right. And moreover, the 442 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:44,120 Speaker 3: War Powers Act, of course, calls for notification within forty 443 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:45,560 Speaker 3: eight hours, and they did indeed do. 444 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:48,880 Speaker 9: That, right Okay, of Congress. 445 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:50,680 Speaker 8: I just thought I heard the War Powers acting in 446 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:52,399 Speaker 8: past today, Well that's. 447 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:54,120 Speaker 4: A different that's a resolution. 448 00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:59,400 Speaker 9: If that tasked, that would that I'm not I might 449 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 9: be an I on some points of this, but again 450 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:06,160 Speaker 9: I have and I get it all. 451 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 8: But I think again, if we go back to Trump's 452 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:13,600 Speaker 8: first term, if he had not gotten rid of and 453 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:18,400 Speaker 8: built upon at least the foundation that was created, we 454 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 8: may not be here right now. We may And I 455 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:21,479 Speaker 8: don't know. 456 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,480 Speaker 7: You have more, you have more faith, feel more comfortable 457 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:29,200 Speaker 7: if I knew the people negtotiating with these foreign countries 458 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:35,760 Speaker 7: had diplomatic and and and were stronger to do that 459 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,879 Speaker 7: type of a job instead of just being someone Trump 460 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:40,880 Speaker 7: is friends with, and like, then he's gonna go. 461 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 2: This this government that that you're alluding to, just slaughtered 462 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:51,840 Speaker 2: about thirty two thousand of their own citizens in their streets. 463 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:56,080 Speaker 10: So I get that this government, this government, this government 464 00:27:56,359 --> 00:28:01,159 Speaker 10: that you're alluding to, thinks nothing of throwing gay people, 465 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,600 Speaker 10: men and women off roofs of buildings. 466 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 4: To explain that theologically, they have. 467 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:14,439 Speaker 2: Some very strong FeAs they are nutjob theocrats, okay. And 468 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:18,879 Speaker 2: most of my friends who are very critical of organized 469 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:22,359 Speaker 2: religion Christianity or Judaism and they want nothing to do 470 00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:26,680 Speaker 2: with it, are quiet when they talk about extreme Islam. 471 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,080 Speaker 4: I'm not criticizing the religion of. 472 00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:32,400 Speaker 8: This extremism on any side is a problem. 473 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 11: Well there, the extremism of the extremism, of the extremism 474 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:42,800 Speaker 11: of Judaism or Christianity does not include throwing gay people 475 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,480 Speaker 11: off roofs of buildings, does not include. 476 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:49,160 Speaker 2: Thousands of people. So anyway, look, Kay, thank you for 477 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,640 Speaker 2: your called. Thank you for challenging us. There's more callers 478 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:53,480 Speaker 2: who are going to challenge both Jeff and me. 479 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:58,640 Speaker 8: I wanted everybody to know that we're not all against it, 480 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 8: but we're not all for it either. 481 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 2: I think I think there's a lot of people in 482 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,240 Speaker 2: your category. Thank you, Thank you. Kate got a quick 483 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:07,360 Speaker 2: quick break. I got Kennon Waltam, got Matt and Florida. 484 00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:10,280 Speaker 2: I got Bill in Pennsylvania, Lewis and Shrewsbury. We'll keep 485 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 2: the conversation going. That's what we do on Nightside. 486 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:18,080 Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news Radio. 487 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:22,280 Speaker 2: Let's get back to the phones with Jeff Robbins. We 488 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,880 Speaker 2: have packed lines. Jeff, Matt and Florida Matt next on Knights. 489 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:28,120 Speaker 12: I go right ahead, all right, I'll try to be 490 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:31,760 Speaker 12: quick first of all these people, these people are unhinged, 491 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 12: like these these Democrat people calling up Dan. You know, 492 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:36,440 Speaker 12: I'm like a Bernie Sanders Democrat. 493 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:36,920 Speaker 4: Yep. 494 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 13: These people have Trumps arrangement syndrome. It's a mentally it 495 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,760 Speaker 13: is an illness. And that last caller, I'm sorry. This 496 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 13: isn't Red Sox versus Yankees. This is literally the people 497 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 13: who want to murder and destroy the world. 498 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,080 Speaker 2: No, I get it, but do me a favor and 499 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:55,280 Speaker 2: just let let your comments stay away from calling from 500 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:57,000 Speaker 2: comments and other collegs go ahead. 501 00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:00,080 Speaker 12: Sorry, but this needs to leave the political spectrum the 502 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:03,240 Speaker 12: insanity because it's it's just irresponsible for our like even 503 00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:07,080 Speaker 12: just commentating about it, it's insane. Secondly, I'm not a 504 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 12: smart person on this stuff, So I'm just curious. How 505 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,920 Speaker 12: does how can like a third world country because they 506 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:16,200 Speaker 12: basically are there's like no real infrastructure in Iran? Is there? 507 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:20,200 Speaker 12: I mean, how can these people even in rich uranium? 508 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,560 Speaker 12: Like can can you explain to me? Like I'm a 509 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:24,959 Speaker 12: seven year old, because I just I can't understand it, 510 00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:28,200 Speaker 12: Like do they ship in scientists from somewhere? Like how 511 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:29,200 Speaker 12: do they even study this? 512 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:30,880 Speaker 2: They had they had a lot, they had a lot 513 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,320 Speaker 2: of sign as, many of whom were taken care of 514 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:33,959 Speaker 2: by Israel. 515 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:36,520 Speaker 4: Jeff, would you take a quick shot at that question. 516 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 3: Ninety million people with a tremendous amount of wealth from energy, 517 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 3: a lot of talent, a great tradition of education. So 518 00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:49,880 Speaker 3: it's it's not it's not a third world country as 519 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:53,640 Speaker 3: you as you suggest. It's a serious country full of 520 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:55,880 Speaker 3: a tremendous amount of talent and capital. 521 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:59,680 Speaker 2: And they also have relations with China and Russia and 522 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:04,120 Speaker 2: also some pretty good relations with India. They they're a 523 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:10,040 Speaker 2: player on the world stage. Matt, we just lost, Matt. Okay, 524 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,440 Speaker 2: let's go to Ken and Waltham. Ken, you're next with 525 00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:13,080 Speaker 2: Jeff Robins. 526 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:14,920 Speaker 4: Go ahead, Ken, Yah. 527 00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:18,120 Speaker 14: I hope it's okay if I comment about our previous call, 528 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 14: or just to say I'm one hundred percent with Keith 529 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:22,920 Speaker 14: whether she lives in natural war Hudson. 530 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:24,040 Speaker 4: That's okay, that's fine. 531 00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:27,000 Speaker 2: Compliments were always it's just as tough when someone's off 532 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:27,320 Speaker 2: the line. 533 00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:29,320 Speaker 4: That's all trying to be fair. You're on with Jeff, 534 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:30,720 Speaker 4: Go right ahead, quick. 535 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:32,720 Speaker 2: Gotta be a little quicker than you and I would 536 00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:34,080 Speaker 2: normally be okay, go ahead. 537 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:35,040 Speaker 5: Yeah. 538 00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:39,640 Speaker 14: So I well, I think the person just listening to you, 539 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:44,840 Speaker 14: Dan I sensitive to Trump failing out on the JCPO A. 540 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,440 Speaker 14: I don't see how many you know any sound Trump 541 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:52,440 Speaker 14: sounded surprised that Iran wouldn't negotiate with US. I can't 542 00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:55,560 Speaker 14: imagine them trusting Trump, just like you'll never trust Iran, 543 00:31:55,640 --> 00:32:02,040 Speaker 14: and certainly just to tie this and I think Iran, 544 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:04,360 Speaker 14: you know, Putin is the same way I you know, 545 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,520 Speaker 14: you've Dan in the past said that you thought Trump 546 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,880 Speaker 14: was doing the honorable things, trying to negotiate with Russia 547 00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:15,280 Speaker 14: and Ukraine. And I think, you know, Putin and Iran 548 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:18,160 Speaker 14: are aligned. I think there's no negotiating with either one 549 00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:18,440 Speaker 14: of them. 550 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I don't think Russia represents the danger that 551 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:22,960 Speaker 2: arandas at this point. 552 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:24,840 Speaker 4: That's that's what my concern is, you know. 553 00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:27,760 Speaker 2: And if well, if if a big nuke were to 554 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:31,240 Speaker 2: be detonated here anywhere within one twenty eight, would all 555 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:31,840 Speaker 2: be dead. 556 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:33,960 Speaker 5: Fair enough. 557 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:38,160 Speaker 14: The other thing is the other thing where it's hard 558 00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:41,480 Speaker 14: for me. You know, as we talked about eight months ago, 559 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:46,600 Speaker 14: you know, we, according to Trump, had obliterated uh Iran 560 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:48,880 Speaker 14: smith bear power. Now they're just weeks away. 561 00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:52,480 Speaker 4: Well, that that is an inheriting consistency. 562 00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:54,280 Speaker 2: Let me get a quick comment from Jeff on that, 563 00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:56,400 Speaker 2: because I think that he will agree with you on that. 564 00:32:56,480 --> 00:33:00,520 Speaker 3: Jeff, I do agree with you about this, you know, 565 00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:04,920 Speaker 3: saying that we obliterated the nuclear program and then saying 566 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:08,160 Speaker 3: that we've got to attack because of the nuclear program. 567 00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:11,959 Speaker 3: That doesn't fly. And there's no shortage of situations of 568 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:15,160 Speaker 3: circumstances in which statements that have been made which just 569 00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:19,840 Speaker 3: lack credibility, to put it mildly, So I'm in agreement 570 00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,680 Speaker 3: with you on that, But that fact that stuff does 571 00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:27,240 Speaker 3: not outweigh, in my view, the virtue of finally taking 572 00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:31,080 Speaker 3: steps to degrade this country, which is this regime which 573 00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:36,080 Speaker 3: is so dangerous and so widely opposed within its own borders. 574 00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:39,840 Speaker 3: I mean, the massacre of thirty thousand people and counting 575 00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:43,760 Speaker 3: as though that's just sort of a non issue. Do 576 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:45,760 Speaker 3: we really think that's going to stop. It isn't going 577 00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,440 Speaker 3: to stop, And so you have to give them credit 578 00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:52,400 Speaker 3: for taking steps to try to stop that when other 579 00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:53,920 Speaker 3: administrations have not. 580 00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:58,240 Speaker 2: Ken, I want to get one more in, a friend, 581 00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:01,600 Speaker 2: Abby Silverglade is here, so I want to get Harvey 582 00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:02,040 Speaker 2: in as well. 583 00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:05,040 Speaker 5: Okay, thank you. 584 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,000 Speaker 2: Ken has always Thank you very much. Youre gentlemen. Thank 585 00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:09,799 Speaker 2: you Harvey. You were next on nightside, Harvey Silver, glad 586 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:11,640 Speaker 2: you're on with another great lawyer, Jeff Robins. 587 00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:12,440 Speaker 4: Go ahead, Harvey. 588 00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:17,560 Speaker 5: I'd like to ask Jeff his opinion as to at 589 00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:22,680 Speaker 5: what point the president was required as the Constitution requires 590 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:26,040 Speaker 5: him to get the advice and consent of the converse 591 00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:31,480 Speaker 5: for this attack. I understand he couldn't publicize it in 592 00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:37,560 Speaker 5: advance because surprise was everything. But how soon after this, 593 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:41,640 Speaker 5: to my knowledge it hasn't happened yet, was the president 594 00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:46,239 Speaker 5: required to a bide by the Constitution and get the 595 00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:48,120 Speaker 5: advice and consent of the converse? 596 00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:50,960 Speaker 2: I think forty eight hours after the attack he has 597 00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:54,359 Speaker 2: to which he did, which Rubio met with the Gang 598 00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:55,920 Speaker 2: of Eight a second time. 599 00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:02,000 Speaker 3: So there's no The Constitution, as you know, Harvey, is 600 00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:05,840 Speaker 3: purposely vague on this. It gives Congress the power to 601 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,719 Speaker 3: declare war and it makes the president the commander in chief, 602 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,120 Speaker 3: so that there's sort of this gray zone. In terms 603 00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:19,440 Speaker 3: of the War Powers Act, the president has sixty days 604 00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:25,279 Speaker 3: to complete a military action without congressional authorization. Attack on 605 00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:29,239 Speaker 3: another thirty days. Another part made to withdraw, so it's 606 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:33,799 Speaker 3: really a ninety day proposition under the War Powers Act. 607 00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:36,960 Speaker 5: Anything he's going to do it. 608 00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:44,160 Speaker 3: I think he will not because he's got such reverence 609 00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:47,360 Speaker 3: for anything that Congress does, but because he won't be 610 00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:51,719 Speaker 3: able to tolerate politically, you know, ninety days of this, 611 00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:54,080 Speaker 3: and so he'll find a way. It seems to me 612 00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:56,920 Speaker 3: to say that he's one that he succeeded, that he's 613 00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,879 Speaker 3: done what he intended to do, and do that before 614 00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:01,160 Speaker 3: the ninety day period is up. 615 00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:05,880 Speaker 2: For the first time. Today, gentlemen, I listened to CBS tonight. 616 00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:11,120 Speaker 2: They were talking about I guess there's a Kurdish a 617 00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:13,640 Speaker 2: group that lives on the border and they have now 618 00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:17,560 Speaker 2: come across and they are weaponized. So I don't know 619 00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:20,200 Speaker 2: if that's something that he counted on or something that 620 00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:23,960 Speaker 2: has surprised us. I suspect that he knew of the 621 00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:31,040 Speaker 2: proximity of Kourage. They actually, I believe, live within the 622 00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:36,520 Speaker 2: geography of Iran of Iran if I heard that report 623 00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:37,240 Speaker 2: correctly tonight. 624 00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:41,400 Speaker 3: By the way, Dan, if I can compliment a current caller, 625 00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:44,880 Speaker 3: Harvey Silverglade is one of the great legal minds with 626 00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:46,920 Speaker 3: one of the great legal careers of our time, at 627 00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:47,800 Speaker 3: least in New England. 628 00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:51,520 Speaker 2: Absolutely, and I have taken advantage of his friendship and 629 00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:55,120 Speaker 2: his loyalty to this program on many occasions. Harvey, great, 630 00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:58,720 Speaker 2: great questions. I thought you would you were concerned about 631 00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:02,960 Speaker 2: the forty eight hours our you know requirement. Obviously there 632 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:06,600 Speaker 2: is the War Powers Act, and Jeff is absolutely correct 633 00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:08,640 Speaker 2: in terms of those timelines, and I'm sure you knew 634 00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:11,000 Speaker 2: those as well. Let me keep rolling here, Hobby. I 635 00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:14,360 Speaker 2: got to get one more room before the break. Okay, yep, 636 00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:18,120 Speaker 2: thank you, Harvey, appreciate it. Let me go next to 637 00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:21,319 Speaker 2: Greg and Ontario. Greg, I'm going to get you in 638 00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:23,040 Speaker 2: here soon, and I have to hold through the through 639 00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:24,560 Speaker 2: the newscast roll with Jeff Robins. 640 00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:26,399 Speaker 4: Go ahead, Greg, Yeah, I. 641 00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:30,480 Speaker 15: Did, hi, Jeff. Listen to the conversations tonight. I remember 642 00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:34,120 Speaker 15: stand Sometimes I hear some individuals talk of their entitlement 643 00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:37,520 Speaker 15: to know everything all the time, and I go back, 644 00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:39,880 Speaker 15: you know, my mind just kind of drifted back, and 645 00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:42,480 Speaker 15: I was thinking about World War two in D Day 646 00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:47,399 Speaker 15: and Churchill and everybody like you. Why do people think 647 00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:51,160 Speaker 15: that they have to know what's what the plan is 648 00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:53,120 Speaker 15: and what the long term plan is, Because, as far 649 00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:56,040 Speaker 15: as I can tell, during any war, you have a 650 00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:58,280 Speaker 15: plan and a strategy with the generals and the people 651 00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:00,920 Speaker 15: involved who know what they're doing. They've gone to military schools. 652 00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:03,360 Speaker 15: They understand this stuff like no one else. They understand 653 00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:06,880 Speaker 15: the history. And then this long term plan I'm hearing, like, 654 00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:09,120 Speaker 15: what's the long term plan? Well, you tell me a 655 00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:12,160 Speaker 15: war where there's a long term plan, Like in after 656 00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:15,880 Speaker 15: World War Two, the plan was number one, let's defeat 657 00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,839 Speaker 15: Hitler and then the United States goes in and they 658 00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:22,200 Speaker 15: occupy Germany, make sure it settles out, may make sure 659 00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:25,359 Speaker 15: the fascists don't come back, you know, the Nazis don't 660 00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:28,000 Speaker 15: come back, and you stay there and I can't, like, 661 00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,520 Speaker 15: I don't understand why people don't understand that we're in 662 00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,600 Speaker 15: this case. It may be the same scenario, like like 663 00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:35,960 Speaker 15: I don't understand the media everybody like we have to 664 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:37,160 Speaker 15: know everything. No, you don't. 665 00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:41,040 Speaker 2: Well I was, I was, Greg. I had the reaction. 666 00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:44,160 Speaker 2: You had the same reaction. Someone was asking at one 667 00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:48,160 Speaker 2: of the news conferences to demand to know what's the 668 00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:48,919 Speaker 2: exit plan. 669 00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,080 Speaker 4: I mean, we're four days into this. 670 00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:54,960 Speaker 2: If you're thinking about an exit plan, the exit plan 671 00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,840 Speaker 2: should be to accomplish what you need to accomplish and 672 00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:01,120 Speaker 2: then get get out of there. Jeff, we're tied on time. 673 00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:04,200 Speaker 2: Quick comment on Greg's question, which I think is a 674 00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:04,680 Speaker 2: good question. 675 00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:07,920 Speaker 3: Yeah. Look, on one hand, there's reason to be skeptical 676 00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:11,600 Speaker 3: about the military projections that got us into Iraq and 677 00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:14,239 Speaker 3: Afghanistan and led us through that, So I understand that, 678 00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:16,399 Speaker 3: but I agree with you. 679 00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:16,840 Speaker 9: You can't. 680 00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:19,959 Speaker 3: Oh and Dan, you can't map this stuff out unfortunately 681 00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:23,200 Speaker 3: you wish you could. And you surely can't share publicly 682 00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:26,680 Speaker 3: the stuff that you're doing privately. That's just unrealistic for 683 00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:29,280 Speaker 3: any government to expect from any government. 684 00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:31,880 Speaker 2: Greg, thank you as always. I got you in before 685 00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:34,000 Speaker 2: the break, but I got to go for the newscast. 686 00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:38,279 Speaker 2: Thanks great, great questions. Thank you much. Jeff Robbins has 687 00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:40,960 Speaker 2: always thank you for those of you on the line. 688 00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:43,440 Speaker 2: Stay there, We're going to continue to talk about this. 689 00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:44,280 Speaker 4: Jeff. 690 00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:47,040 Speaker 2: I can't tell you much. I appreciate your friendship and 691 00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:53,200 Speaker 2: your clarity. I think that if anybody listened to you tonight, 692 00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:58,440 Speaker 2: if their mind isn't isn't pulled in the direction of 693 00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:00,719 Speaker 2: your thought, then that they're not here the words you say. 694 00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:01,920 Speaker 2: I just want to say, thanks. 695 00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:03,960 Speaker 3: Thanks to you, Dan, thanks so much for having me. 696 00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:06,200 Speaker 4: We'll be back right after eleven o'clock news. 697 00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:06,400 Speaker 5: Here. 698 00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:06,920 Speaker 4: One night's up.