WEBVTT - Thom Brennaman -- 10/28/25

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<v Speaker 1>DoorDash Young people Love.

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<v Speaker 2>DoorDash say it's launching what it calls an emergency food

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<v Speaker 2>response as the government shutdown threatens food assistance.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the threatened food aid for some forty million Americans,

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<v Speaker 3>and now DoorDash says that next month Tom it will

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<v Speaker 3>waive delivery and service fees for three hundred thousand grocery

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<v Speaker 3>orders for recipients of the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance program known

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<v Speaker 3>as SNAP. DoorDash that it would also wave merchant fees

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<v Speaker 3>on deliveries of a million meals for its food bank

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<v Speaker 3>partners around the country again next month. Tom.

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<v Speaker 2>Meanwhile, PayPal making news on a couple of fronts this morning.

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<v Speaker 1>Their shares are surging. Why is that?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Well, first of all, PayPal and Built Rewards are

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<v Speaker 3>teaming up to let customers use PayPal's venmo to make

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<v Speaker 3>rent and mortgage payments starting early next year. Customers have

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<v Speaker 3>flocked to Built as a way to earn rewards for

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<v Speaker 3>paying rent. Built, by the way is spelled Bilt. But

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<v Speaker 3>the shares of PayPal are getting a big boost this morning.

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<v Speaker 3>On some other news, it reached a deal with open

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<v Speaker 3>Ai to embed its digital wallet inside Chat GPT. That

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<v Speaker 3>means Chat GPT users who use that bot to find

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<v Speaker 3>products online. We'll have PayPal to turn those searches into purchases.

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<v Speaker 3>A time open AI gets mentioned in conjunction with another company,

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<v Speaker 3>those shares of the other company just go haywire.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we have an extended interview with our business insider,

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<v Speaker 2>Greg Steven coming up here in a minute. I think

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people who are wondering about AI.

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<v Speaker 1>What is it?

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<v Speaker 2>Should I be worried about it? Is it something I

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<v Speaker 2>should embrace? This is a really good interview that we

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<v Speaker 2>taped a little bit earlier this morning. Okay, how the

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<v Speaker 2>futures looking this morning, Genu, Well, the futures.

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<v Speaker 3>Are starting to pick up some speed here as we've

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<v Speaker 3>seen some earnings rolling in this morning. Tom Down futures

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<v Speaker 3>are up two hundred and sixteen, SMP futures are up seven,

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<v Speaker 3>and the Nasdaq futures are up forty two. This report

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<v Speaker 3>is sponsored by Fidelity from Bloomberg. Genas Servetti on News

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<v Speaker 3>Radio seven hundred WLW.

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<v Speaker 2>It's great to have our business insider, and we'll get

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<v Speaker 2>to that in just a minute. Greg Steben, you can

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<v Speaker 2>follow him on Blue Sky at Greg g R E

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<v Speaker 2>g G Steben ste b as in boy b as

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<v Speaker 2>in boy e n. Now, look, you know we call

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<v Speaker 2>you the business insider, Greg, but maybe you should be

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<v Speaker 2>our AI insider instead, because I have a feeling that

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<v Speaker 2>it's not only the last few weeks, but it could

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<v Speaker 2>be good Lord Willing, we're here for years and years

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<v Speaker 2>and years about the only thing we are talking about. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>you've been skeptical, you're not dismissive, But let's talk about AI,

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<v Speaker 2>the real AI. Which AI is real? Is AI real

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<v Speaker 2>or is it a lot of hype?

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, it's.

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<v Speaker 1>There for a minute.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's real and a lot of hype. And that's

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<v Speaker 4>why I like what you said. I'm skeptical because it's

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of hype, but it's not dismissive because it's

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<v Speaker 4>also real. And I think it's really important no matter

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<v Speaker 4>where you are in sort of the economic chain. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>you're an employee, maybe you manage people, maybe you own

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<v Speaker 4>a business. I think it's really important to be both

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<v Speaker 4>skeptical but not dismissive, to always be looking at it

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<v Speaker 4>and be curious, be thinking how could we use that?

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<v Speaker 4>But also be thinking is that a rabbit hole? Or

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<v Speaker 4>you know, is the person who's sang this thing about

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<v Speaker 4>how incredible AI is going to be or how scary

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<v Speaker 4>AI is going to be, right, I mean, if it's

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<v Speaker 4>going to replace a third of the workforce by next week,

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<v Speaker 4>you know that's that's scary, right. You know why is

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<v Speaker 4>this person saying that? Are they saying Do they have

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<v Speaker 4>some motive for saying that, like maybe a profit motive made?

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<v Speaker 4>Do they benefit from you believing that whether it's true

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<v Speaker 4>or not. There's all this and some of it may

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<v Speaker 4>be true. By the way, it's not going to replace

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<v Speaker 4>the third of the workforce by next Thursday. And I

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<v Speaker 4>don't think it's going to replace the third of the

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<v Speaker 4>workforce in the next five years or really ever. I

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<v Speaker 4>just think it's going to change the workforce, just like

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<v Speaker 4>the telephone did, just like the car did, just like

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<v Speaker 4>you know, more recently the internet did and the mobile

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<v Speaker 4>phone did. I think it's going to be that kind

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<v Speaker 4>of a change, which is not hype. It's realistic, and

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<v Speaker 4>anything beyond that is probably hype.

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<v Speaker 2>Give me a specific example, Greg Steban on where I

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<v Speaker 2>is real.

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<v Speaker 4>So I think there's some things you can do with

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<v Speaker 4>AI to experiment with it to really understand how powerful

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<v Speaker 4>it is. And I'm going to point to a particular

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<v Speaker 4>deal that was just announced to sort of illustrate this.

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<v Speaker 4>Walmart is now going to will allow you to use

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<v Speaker 4>chat GPT to make purchases. It's hard for me to

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<v Speaker 4>think about that in a really effective way because when

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<v Speaker 4>I think of Walmart, I think about, you know, buying

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<v Speaker 4>t shirts and dog toys. But imagine when you go

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<v Speaker 4>to buy a car or a computer instead of doing

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<v Speaker 4>Google searches. Like if you're buying a car, it's a

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<v Speaker 4>really compliment. You're a computer, it's a really complix and

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<v Speaker 4>you end up having like ten websites open, and you're

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<v Speaker 4>bouncing from website to website and they never give you

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<v Speaker 4>all the same information. And you can compare apples to oranges, right,

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<v Speaker 4>Or you could go to chat GPT or Gemini or

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<v Speaker 4>Perplexity and just say compare this computer from Dell with

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<v Speaker 4>this computer from HP, with this computer from LG with

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<v Speaker 4>this computer from some other companies, and they're literally you're

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<v Speaker 4>literally just going to get a grid that compares everything

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<v Speaker 4>side by side by side by side by side, which,

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<v Speaker 4>if you're obsessive like me, you would have taken hours

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<v Speaker 4>to lay out all that information for yourself instead, it

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<v Speaker 4>took literally ninety seconds to happen. That's a great illustration

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<v Speaker 4>of AI because it's really just they have all the

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<v Speaker 4>same information you have. They just can organize it a

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<v Speaker 4>lot faster and effectively than you can.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you and I were talking about that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, about that last week when you're planning a vacation,

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<v Speaker 2>same kind of thing. Okay, Now give me an example

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<v Speaker 2>of where AI is a lot of hype.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, so this was a while ago. The CEO of

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<v Speaker 4>Zoom said, oh, yeah, in a couple of years, when

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<v Speaker 4>you have let's say you have multiple meetings to go to,

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<v Speaker 4>You're not going to go to any of them. You're

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<v Speaker 4>just going to send your digital avatar. You're going to

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<v Speaker 4>send your AIU to each of You're gonna go to

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<v Speaker 4>all the meetings, but you're not going to go to

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<v Speaker 4>any of the meetings. Now, why would the CEO of

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<v Speaker 4>Zoom say that? First of all, it's stupid. Yeah, really right,

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<v Speaker 4>if he works for me, I'm going to fire him

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<v Speaker 4>because if that's his goal, I don't want him working

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<v Speaker 4>for me. But he works for Zoom. It just means

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<v Speaker 4>that Zoom can host they can be the pioneers tech

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<v Speaker 4>in that horrible technology and their stock goes up and

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<v Speaker 4>blah blah. You know, his bonuses go up and blah

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<v Speaker 4>blah blah. It's totally beneficial to Zoom. So I look

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<v Speaker 4>at that, I give it the sniff test, and I go,

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<v Speaker 4>this guy is hyping AI to ultimately hype his company

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<v Speaker 4>and probably something they're working on. And on top of that,

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<v Speaker 4>it's a really bad idea.

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<v Speaker 1>Well why are so many companies so hyping AI?

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<v Speaker 4>Money?

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<v Speaker 1>Money in sect at the end of the day, right.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I mean, you know, it's it's funny if you

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<v Speaker 4>go to San Francisco and you drive around every billboard

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<v Speaker 4>in the city and every billboard on the freeways leading

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<v Speaker 4>into the city for fifty miles our AI companies. I

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<v Speaker 4>don't think you can even buy a billboard around San

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<v Speaker 4>Francisco today unless you're an AI company. We wouldn't even

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<v Speaker 4>have the money to be able to do it. That's

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<v Speaker 4>a clear sign of hype. I mean, it's money, and

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<v Speaker 4>it's also frankly, I mean some of it's capitalism at work.

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<v Speaker 4>It's wishful thinking. We're AI companies and we believe our

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<v Speaker 4>own hype. We eat our own dog food, and we

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<v Speaker 4>believe we're going to change the world. And oh, by

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<v Speaker 4>the way, we also believe that what we're doing is

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<v Speaker 4>really good for not only us but all of mankind.

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<v Speaker 4>Because that's the nature of when you get hype yourself

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<v Speaker 4>up on something, you'll believe anything. So I think these

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<v Speaker 4>companies often believe what they're saying because they're surrounded by

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<v Speaker 4>other people. You know, they're what do they call that,

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<v Speaker 4>they're in a bubble. They're in a bubble of unreality.

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<v Speaker 4>So nowhere they go is that unreality? Does anybody screaming

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<v Speaker 4>at them that you know you're full of it?

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<v Speaker 2>Give me an example of a company. And you've made

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<v Speaker 2>different references to different companies through these different conversations we've had,

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<v Speaker 2>But what would be an example of a company that

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<v Speaker 2>you believe right now is really doing AI just right?

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<v Speaker 1>Is there one out there?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 4>I just and there's more than one. But I just

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<v Speaker 4>saw an interview with the CEO of a company called

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<v Speaker 4>Duo Lingo. It's a company that you know, makes an

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<v Speaker 4>app that helps you learn languages. The CEO said, we're

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<v Speaker 4>going to be an AI first company. But here's what

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<v Speaker 4>he means by it. They asked him in the interview,

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<v Speaker 4>how do you use AI, he said, oh, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>I look for recipes. I use it for health symptoms,

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<v Speaker 4>like you know, if I don't feel good when I

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<v Speaker 4>wake up in the morning, and every now and then

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<v Speaker 4>I use it to simplify emails. So that's dead on.

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<v Speaker 4>He's experimenting with it. But here's the other thing he's done,

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<v Speaker 4>and this is company policy and I'm literally quoting him.

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<v Speaker 4>On Fridays, we're giving everybody two to three hours to

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<v Speaker 4>just experiment. We have slack channels where people can share

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<v Speaker 4>AI wins, and we've added a Slack channel for AI losses.

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<v Speaker 4>He's just saying to people, I don't know what we're

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<v Speaker 4>going to do with this, but I think it's going

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<v Speaker 4>to be important. I need you to be good at

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<v Speaker 4>this and tell me what it can do, but I

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<v Speaker 4>also need you to tell me what it can't do,

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<v Speaker 4>and that is, frankly, what we should all be doing.

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<v Speaker 4>This guy is both skeptical but not dismissive. He's, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>even in his personal life. He's not trying to make

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<v Speaker 4>it change his life. He's using it occasionally. The simplify emails.

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<v Speaker 4>That's probably about an appropriate use of AI today and

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<v Speaker 4>tomorrow you'll use them for a little bit more and

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<v Speaker 4>in ten years it might be really exciting and dramatic.

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<v Speaker 4>I know I'm going exciting and dramatic now.

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<v Speaker 2>I know I'm going off the reservation here a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>But before I let you go, I can't remember the

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<v Speaker 2>guy's name. Maybe you'll know it, But one of the

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<v Speaker 2>basic inventors of AI has become is largest critic.

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<v Speaker 1>And is scared of it. Are you scared of it

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<v Speaker 1>at all?

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<v Speaker 5>Uh?

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<v Speaker 4>You know, well, first of all, one of the guys

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<v Speaker 4>who's who was big into this and is now really

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<v Speaker 4>one of its big biggest critics is is Elon Musk.

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<v Speaker 4>He both you know, he was one of the original

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<v Speaker 4>people behind chat GPT and now he's one of the

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<v Speaker 4>biggest foes of chat GPT. Now think about what I

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<v Speaker 4>said earlier.

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<v Speaker 1>Why.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, some of that may be philosophical, but some

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<v Speaker 4>of it's probably about money too, So just keep that

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<v Speaker 4>in mind. Am I afraid of it? No, I'm afraid

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<v Speaker 4>of what people might do with it. I'm afraid of people,

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<v Speaker 4>bosses and companies being stupid about it. And you know,

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<v Speaker 4>laying off six hundred thousand people. I just read Amazon's

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<v Speaker 4>laying off six hundred thousand people to replace them with robots,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, and maybe that's not the best example, but

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<v Speaker 4>just companies doing large, massive things that are destructive to

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<v Speaker 4>them and they're loyal employees, only to find out that, oh,

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<v Speaker 4>you know what has been cyclically said over and over

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<v Speaker 4>again in the history of business in the last thirty

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<v Speaker 4>or forty years, the best app ends up being the people.

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<v Speaker 4>And I think we're going to discover that over and

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<v Speaker 4>over again. AI helps people do their jobs better. It's

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<v Speaker 4>not better than people.

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<v Speaker 2>That's great stuff, Greg Devin, You're the best, my friend.

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<v Speaker 2>Hope you have a great rest of your day and

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<v Speaker 2>have a good weekend.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, by the way, I'm not really here. This is

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<v Speaker 4>my aiut.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Well, well you know what, We'll keep calling your

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<v Speaker 2>AI anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>It's okay. It was good stuff.

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<v Speaker 7>The Bengals lost to the New York Jets on Sunday

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<v Speaker 7>by a score of thirty nine to thirty eight. Cincinnati

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<v Speaker 7>defense continues to be quite frankly atrocious.

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<v Speaker 1>The offense was far from perfect.

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<v Speaker 7>We can nitpick some play calling and stuff like that,

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<v Speaker 7>but they scored thirty eight points with Joe Flacco's quarterback.

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<v Speaker 7>What is it like when a team has one unit

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<v Speaker 7>that's really good or performing capably, like Cincinnati's offense, and

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<v Speaker 7>one that's awful like Cincinnati's defense.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, it's really tough mode because you know the other

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<v Speaker 8>side is going to start chirping. You know, I guarantee

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<v Speaker 8>you Jamar Chase is making it pretty well known and

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<v Speaker 8>not holding back on the fact that you know, they're

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<v Speaker 8>at least doing their job and the defense isn't. So

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<v Speaker 8>I guess that the one part of good news is is,

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<v Speaker 8>unlike when the entire team's bad, the defense in this

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<v Speaker 8>case takes it personal and they should, and that creates

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<v Speaker 8>a little more sense of urgency. And you know, new

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<v Speaker 8>players aren't going to show up tomorrow. But if that encourages,

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<v Speaker 8>it's a little bit of shame, encourages that the guys

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<v Speaker 8>that are on this defense right now to look at

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<v Speaker 8>their playbook a little more, to watch a little more

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<v Speaker 8>tape to understand where they're supposed to be. I guess

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<v Speaker 8>that's a good thing. But you know, no new players

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<v Speaker 8>are coming. They just got to try to find a

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<v Speaker 4>Get better.

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<v Speaker 8>And if a little bit of embarrassment, a little bit

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<v Speaker 8>of chirping from the other side, helps that, then so

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<v Speaker 8>be it.

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<v Speaker 9>alongside regular ones in the main feed, but will vanish

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<v Speaker 9>after twenty four hours. And it's apparently much easier to

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<v Speaker 9>graduate from Harvard than it is to get in. According

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<v Speaker 9>to a report by Harvard's Office of Undergraduate Education, around

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<v Speaker 9>sixty percent of grades given in undergraduate programs are a's.

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<v Speaker 2>Radio, Jeez, I should have gone to Harvard based on

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<v Speaker 2>that sixty percent of the classes are handing out a's, Holly.

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<v Speaker 1>Moses, I mean, Julie is fortting.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, she just had AAA all the way through

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<v Speaker 2>high school Xavier, whole nine yards, right, Julie, tell truth.

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<v Speaker 2>Now you are pretty much a's across the bord. Am

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<v Speaker 2>all right about that?

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<v Speaker 5>I did really well in school.

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<v Speaker 1>You're not answering my question.

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<v Speaker 4>I will.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, it's interesting about my college career though, if

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<v Speaker 5>I graduated, and I graduated in three years instead of

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<v Speaker 5>four because I wanted to train for the Olympics, so

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<v Speaker 5>I knew I couldn't be in college, you know, and

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<v Speaker 5>then also train. So I graduated from Xavier in three

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<v Speaker 5>years and then moved down to Orlando and traded for

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<v Speaker 5>the Olympics. So I did have a motivation to get

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<v Speaker 5>good grades and get out of college real soon because

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<v Speaker 5>I fell in love with trying to get into the

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<v Speaker 5>Olympics instead. So it is a different story for our

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<v Speaker 5>college education. Of course, my parents loved me because I

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<v Speaker 5>got out of school in three years and I didn't

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<v Speaker 5>have to pay for the fourth year there.

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<v Speaker 2>We go there and and then you got to go

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<v Speaker 2>to Florida and hang out for a while do all

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<v Speaker 2>your training.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean you you're even smarter out of school than

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<v Speaker 1>in school.

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<v Speaker 5>Well that's interesting about that, Tom. If I had to

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<v Speaker 5>find a warm environment, you know, so it made the.

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<v Speaker 1>Extra of course fun again. Yeah, I mean, who wants

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<v Speaker 1>to run it? And Lord knows you've done it.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you know, I you know when when I

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<v Speaker 2>first met you, and you and I knew each other

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<v Speaker 2>going all the way back to the mid eighties, late eighties.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I remember you talking about getting up in

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<v Speaker 2>the dead of winter, and I think you still do

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<v Speaker 2>it now. Maybe you don't run as far, but I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>how many days of your life have you had at

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<v Speaker 2>four thirty five o'clock in the morning where you're going

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<v Speaker 2>out and running eight ten twelve miles and it's ten

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<v Speaker 2>degrees outside.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it does get kind of miserable here in the winter.

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<v Speaker 5>And that was our topic when we were talking yesterday,

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<v Speaker 5>about the fact that exercise is hard.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it is.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, you know, it's not like, oh great, this

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<v Speaker 5>is going to be really easy. But if you think

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<v Speaker 5>about it, if everything was easy, we'd never grow. And

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<v Speaker 5>so all the good things in life, I think have

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<v Speaker 5>come from a lot of struggle, a lot of challenge.

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<v Speaker 5>And I'll put exercises up there. And what's interesting is

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<v Speaker 5>every week we talk about all the benefits of exercise. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>and I think I think there's two things I had

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<v Speaker 5>of exercise in my life. That's love, my relationships, my friendship,

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<v Speaker 5>and two asleep and three is exercise. Yet it's so

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<v Speaker 5>hard to convince our brains to get out there every day,

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<v Speaker 5>and I'm not going to It's hard for me too,

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<v Speaker 5>It's hard for everyone, but it's part of being human.

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<v Speaker 5>And I think once you realize you're not alone, Like,

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<v Speaker 5>there's some real good reasons why exercise is hard.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, when I was looking up this stuff last

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<v Speaker 2>night knowing that this was going to be our topic

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<v Speaker 2>today about exercise, and why we don't do it you

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<v Speaker 2>say all the time, and you say to people it

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't mean you're lazy.

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<v Speaker 4>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>Basically you can break this into three major categories, right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>perceived barriers okay, which might be a lack of time,

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<v Speaker 2>how much does it cost to join a gym, access

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<v Speaker 2>to the gym, right, psychological factors. We can get into

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<v Speaker 2>all that kind of physical limitations. You know, maybe you

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<v Speaker 2>got some chronic condition, some injuries, pain, whatever the case

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<v Speaker 2>may be. So there are a lot of barriers out

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<v Speaker 2>there for why we don't exercise.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, and there's also the ones about you know, we

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<v Speaker 5>are starting to compare ourselves. Instagram makes it look like

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<v Speaker 5>everyone has add discipline and we don't. And then we

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<v Speaker 5>have I think we've lost the fun too. Kids run

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<v Speaker 5>because it feels good. Adults run because they should they

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<v Speaker 5>should have, could have, would have. So you've got that

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<v Speaker 5>whole mindset in emotion thing too. And I think that

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<v Speaker 5>you know, we're not broken, We're not a problem to

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<v Speaker 5>be fixed. I think if you start with the premise

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<v Speaker 5>that you're already outrageously wonderful and start with that you've

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<v Speaker 5>got all the gifts, and then try to find a

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<v Speaker 5>way to grow, which means you got to get out

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<v Speaker 5>there and push yourself through it. And you know, think

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<v Speaker 5>about our world though we are built around sitting. I

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<v Speaker 5>mean we have door, dash we have everything, elevators, we

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, there's every reason the world is against us

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<v Speaker 5>and trying to move. So what we have to think about.

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<v Speaker 5>I think it's just not the instant gratification to know

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<v Speaker 5>this is long term. I mean there's going to be

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<v Speaker 5>a day in our lives where we can't move like

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<v Speaker 5>we want to.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean I'm going through it right now. I Mean,

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<v Speaker 2>this hip thing is just it's the first time in

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<v Speaker 2>my life that I've ever had to live with just

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<v Speaker 2>excruciating pain. I mean, I've never been in my life

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<v Speaker 2>where this is and I got to figure out, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>how we're going to address this thing. But man, I

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<v Speaker 2>tell you, you know, it's like anything else when when

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<v Speaker 2>you don't have to worry about it, you don't think

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<v Speaker 2>about what other people are going through, right, But then

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<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden, when you have it, you're like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh my god, it's got to be terrible for a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of other people, And all of a sudden you

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<v Speaker 2>become so much more compassionate in other situations. But if

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<v Speaker 2>you're able to do extras physically mentally, if you're able

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<v Speaker 2>to do it, Julie, how do we get people to

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<v Speaker 2>change their mind about getting out and doing it?

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<v Speaker 5>Well, I think I'll never really be able to change

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<v Speaker 5>people's minds, but I think that we can just get

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<v Speaker 5>people to start. I mean your brain. Every single day,

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<v Speaker 5>your brain's going to say something's more important. So don't

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<v Speaker 5>aim for perfectionism and don't aim for comparison. I'm telling

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<v Speaker 5>you you don't need an hour, thirty minutes, ten minutes

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<v Speaker 5>something to get you moving. And the more you do it,

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<v Speaker 5>even if it's fifteen minutes, you start feeling the benefits,

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<v Speaker 5>the gratification. You start realizing this is long term, not

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<v Speaker 5>short term. This you know it does take longer to

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<v Speaker 5>feel better. And then remember, don't quit too early. I

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<v Speaker 5>think we quit too soon. So I have this ten

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<v Speaker 5>minute rule for all my students. It's like, if after

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<v Speaker 5>ten or fifteen minutes you don't feel good and you

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<v Speaker 5>are absolutely miserable, well, for goodness sake, find something else then,

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<v Speaker 5>but don't quit too soon. I think that's the biggest

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<v Speaker 5>mistake people make. They think, well, first of all, oh,

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<v Speaker 5>I got to go an hour and then after ten

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<v Speaker 5>minutes you give up. Now you don't have to go

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<v Speaker 5>an hour and go fifteen minutes to start with that.

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<v Speaker 5>And then a lot of times there's no accountability, no one.

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<v Speaker 5>You feel like no one cares because we have no coach.

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<v Speaker 5>No like back when you were in school, at least

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<v Speaker 5>she had a coach and a team. But it's soccer something,

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<v Speaker 5>and you had parents that drove you and picked you

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<v Speaker 5>up and parents that cheered for you. So all of

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<v Speaker 5>a sudden, we're adults. We've got no cheering, we've got

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<v Speaker 5>no coach, we've got no one to say we're great.

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<v Speaker 5>So I think the first the other thing, you have

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<v Speaker 5>to be your own cheerleader. And I really think it's

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<v Speaker 5>helpful to find a friend, someone that you enjoy spending

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<v Speaker 5>time with, have something you're accountable to. Or maybe it's

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<v Speaker 5>a class teaching yoga class at the Art Museum and

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<v Speaker 5>the same people come every week and they love it

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<v Speaker 5>and they know people in the class. But I have

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<v Speaker 5>to say, it took the first class. It took the

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<v Speaker 5>jump start to get you there. So if you think

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<v Speaker 5>the getting started is really really hard, good because it is.

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<v Speaker 5>That will be the hardest thing you do is.

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<v Speaker 2>Starting, you know, because I think I think about people, Julie,

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<v Speaker 2>let's just say you know, well, let's just say you

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<v Speaker 2>know you've gone a long time, right, You're you're a

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<v Speaker 2>mom of three. All you're doing is basically a glorified

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<v Speaker 2>cab once they get to a certain time after you're

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<v Speaker 2>coming off the time where you literally had to feed them,

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<v Speaker 2>whether it be from your breast to all of a

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<v Speaker 2>sudden having to make sure they have every single meal,

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<v Speaker 2>and you're the one responsible and now all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 2>you're the cab driver going to sports, going to music,

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<v Speaker 2>doing and so you've let yourself kind of go, right,

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<v Speaker 2>Dad's the same way. Okay, they've been doing the same stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe like they're white. They're going to work all day,

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<v Speaker 2>they're coming back home, they're tired, they eat dinner and

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<v Speaker 2>then PLoP right down in front of the tube, right,

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<v Speaker 2>and then the next thing you know, you wake up

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<v Speaker 2>one morning and you're twenty five pounds overweight and your

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<v Speaker 2>doctor's telling you, hey, man, you don't want to get

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<v Speaker 2>adult onset diabetes. Okay, so you say to yourself, if

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<v Speaker 2>you're in that position, what would you say to somebody

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<v Speaker 2>that says, man, I feel terrible. I've let myself go.

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<v Speaker 2>I have got to do something about this, and do

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<v Speaker 2>it now. What would you say to that person?

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<v Speaker 5>First, you're going to be okay. So here's my thought

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<v Speaker 5>is that life is seasonal, and when we're younger, we

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<v Speaker 5>have you know, you're building a career, or you're parenting,

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<v Speaker 5>or you have just big family things to think about,

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<v Speaker 5>and that's okay, and we can get away with it

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<v Speaker 5>for years.

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<v Speaker 4>You can get away with.

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<v Speaker 5>It for years and that's okay, But then you have

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<v Speaker 5>to start looking at you enter another season of your

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<v Speaker 5>life where you don't feel good and you're not a

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<v Speaker 5>good role model for the kids, you don't feel as

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<v Speaker 5>sharp on the job, you're not sleeping well. And someone says,

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<v Speaker 5>you know what, the one of the biggest cures for

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<v Speaker 5>all of that is movement. And someone says, here's the gifts.

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<v Speaker 5>Are you going to open it? But it's the realization

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<v Speaker 5>it's okay, it's fine to start twenty five pounds behind,

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<v Speaker 5>but you know, if you don't start to stayble, then

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<v Speaker 5>start tomorrow. And if you ski today, that's okay. But

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<v Speaker 5>once you know you're on the right road and you

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<v Speaker 5>know you're going to be okay, and you know that. Yes,

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<v Speaker 5>seasons changed, and now your focus has changed. A lot

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<v Speaker 5>of people are starting to become empty nesters. The kids

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<v Speaker 5>don't need them as much. Well, here's your chance. Don't

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<v Speaker 5>lose your chance and find what you love to do.

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<v Speaker 5>If it's not running, maybe it's walking. If it's not pilate's,

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<v Speaker 5>maybe it's yoga.

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<v Speaker 4>Mate.

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<v Speaker 5>So we don't make it complicated. I think that's the

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<v Speaker 5>other thing too.

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<v Speaker 1>Is no doubt.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, you just have to open your front door

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<v Speaker 5>and there it is. I mean, it's free. It is

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<v Speaker 5>absolutely free to exercise. But if you want to complicated

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<v Speaker 5>with gadget protein, dream membership, you know, your cold plunge, your.

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<v Speaker 1>Hospitals, we go there, we go. Right, Yeah, we've.

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<v Speaker 5>Been talking about this.

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<v Speaker 1>There your spot on.

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<v Speaker 2>Though it does you can make did complicate. I loved

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<v Speaker 2>your example there. You can just walk out the front

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<v Speaker 2>door to start. Now, there may come a time where

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<v Speaker 2>you want to do the other stuff. That's fine, right,

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<v Speaker 2>we've all been there, gym memberships, reletically.

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<v Speaker 1>Whatever it might be.

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<v Speaker 2>But you can start with just walking out the front

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<v Speaker 2>door for fifteen minutes.

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<v Speaker 5>You know something, you can't be brave if You've only

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<v Speaker 5>had wonderful things happen to you. So if your bravery

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<v Speaker 5>today is opening the front door and maybe walking up

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<v Speaker 5>and down the street, good for you, you know so,

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<v Speaker 5>And pretty soon you might be walking more. And then

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<v Speaker 5>the next thing you know, you meet someone else walking

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<v Speaker 5>and you walk with them, and the next thing you know,

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<v Speaker 5>they convince you to go to the yoga class. And

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<v Speaker 5>so it is contagious. But I'm never gonna say it's easy.

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<v Speaker 5>But all the good things, if you look back at

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<v Speaker 5>all the good things that have happened to you, Tom,

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<v Speaker 5>they have all come with challenges, hardship, roller coaters. But there,

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<v Speaker 5>here we are, we sit, you know, forty years later.

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<v Speaker 5>We have known each other over forty years, and here

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<v Speaker 5>we are. We're still talking and moving and laughing and

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<v Speaker 5>finding the joy and the laughter in it all. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>I think we're gonna be okay. Except for your kip.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll talk about that some other time. Juels, thank you

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<v Speaker 2>so much for your time. You're the best. We love

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<v Speaker 2>having you each and every week. Julius Fording, have a

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<v Speaker 2>great rest of your Tuesday.