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Speaker 2: next three hours. If you want to leave us a

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Speaker 2: talk back, we will get to talkbacks. Today. It'll be

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Speaker 2: a little bit different because Duke Tobin Day. Yes, Duke

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Speaker 2: Tobin speaks to the media at one o'clock. That's still scheduled.

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Speaker 2: He by by all accounts Austin, he showed up to work.

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Speaker 2: He's he's not under the weather, he didn't have a

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Speaker 2: car troubles this morning. Duke Tobin is still scheduled to

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Speaker 2: speak to the media at one o'clock.

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Speaker 3: Car troubles this morning. Would you imagine I.

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Speaker 2: Was waiting, I was waiting for something, all this build

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Speaker 2: up so and he get dropped off this morning.

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Speaker 4: We are certainly not going to sit on our hands.

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Speaker 2: There it is. That's what you'll hear at one o'clock.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 2: Here's how the show is going to play out from

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Speaker 2: a logistical standpoint. Bob man Jean from the University of

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Speaker 2: Cincinnati Novacare will join us for the final segment of

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Speaker 2: our number one. To start our number two, that will

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Speaker 2: be Duke Tobin, and we will play that press conference

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Speaker 2: in its entirety in our number two. From there, we'll

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Speaker 2: react to what Duke Tobin had to say, and then

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Speaker 2: in hour number three normally at one o'clock today, at

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Speaker 2: two o'clock, our guy Charlie Goldsmith will join us to

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Speaker 2: react as well to what Duke Tobin had to say,

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Speaker 2: as well as some other things that we always find

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Speaker 2: a way to talk to Charlie about. And then we

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Speaker 2: will slide your talkbacks right after Charlie in our number three.

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Speaker 2: Here in our number one, we will loosely make some picks.

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Speaker 2: We won't do the official pick him segment, but we

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Speaker 2: will make some picks on today's college football playoff semifinal,

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Speaker 2: along with wild card weekend in the NFL. Along the way,

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Speaker 2: We're happy you're here. It should be a fun day.

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Speaker 3: One of the biggest questions is how long yeah will

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Speaker 3: Duke Tobin speak? Our friend Moeger has set the line

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Speaker 3: on his x page Twitter page. Twenty two minutes fifteen

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Speaker 3: seconds is the over under he set for today's Duke

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Speaker 2: What do you lean? I lean over?

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Speaker 3: But I also think that this could go under because

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Speaker 3: of a couple of reasons. Number One, Duke is probably

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Speaker 3: to him again next month at the scouting combine, So

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Speaker 3: be saying, all right, the height for this thing has

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Speaker 3: it at you know, twenty minutes. I have something along

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Speaker 2: There are so many people that work as members of

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Speaker 2: I'm saying the answers may not be Now do you

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Speaker 3: Let's get some stuff out there. Well yeah, I mean

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Speaker 3: asking questions. And I think that's a good point. However,

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Speaker 3: Ask some tough questions exactly. I don't know that that.

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Speaker 3: I don't know that they need to gather together to

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Speaker 2: I think it's going to be fascinating. I just wonder

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Speaker 3: So far, early results for the over under of twenty

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Speaker 3: two to fifteen set by our Bookie mo Egger, sixty

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Speaker 2: One a clock is when Duke Tobin is expected to speak. Well,

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Speaker 2: we'll make some picks and any of that.

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Speaker 3: I also have a prop bet oh, Duke Tobin hat

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Speaker 3: feeling today? I know you're back to drinking pop. It's

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Speaker 3: diet mountain dew. It's awful for you.

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Speaker 2: don't understand why water is an option. Lemonade is an option?

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Speaker 3: Zero calories anything mountain dew. Okay, that tears up your gut, brother, Okay,

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Speaker 3: zero cows. I'll just stick with that. Why do you

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Speaker 2: Last night, man, how about college football playoff semi final

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Speaker 2: number one Miami thirty one, Ole Miss twenty seven. I

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Speaker 2: football playoff run, Carson Beck leading the Miami Hurricanes on

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Speaker 2: a game winning drive and putting the team on his shoulders.

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Speaker 2: But it's exactly what Carson Beck did last night. Trinidad

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Speaker 2: I thought it was a physical, grueling, ground and pound

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Speaker 2: game I've never It's the most I've seen Austin of Miami,

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Speaker 2: who uses their short passing game as an extension of

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Speaker 2: But in the end, it's Carson Beck with his legs

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Speaker 2: Bain last night had one tackle. Old Miss did so

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it felt like it's obviously hard to call that

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Speaker 3: But I came away so impressed with Trinidad Chambliss is

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Speaker 3: Ole Miss took a couple of punches and they came

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Speaker 3: right back. Highly entertaining game. Carson Beck is, he's fine, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Of couple big time chances.

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Speaker 3: There was one play late in the game, I think

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Speaker 3: Carson Beck and threw a great ball.

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Speaker 2: Okay, two more games Chargers Patriots. There's so much about

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Speaker 3: I got the Patriots comfortably.

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Speaker 2: Okay. Yeah, there's too many injuries for the Chargers, too.

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Speaker 3: Many injuries New England at home. They're well coached, that's fair.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if I should say comfortably, but to me,

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Speaker 3: a touchdown is comfortable.

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Speaker 2: Okay. I think they win by a touchdown. Texans Steelers.

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Speaker 2: I said this about this Steelers Ravens last week, Austin,

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Speaker 2: that everything about me said that the Ravens should go

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Speaker 2: win that game. But it just there's there's games in

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Speaker 2: which Pittsburgh under Mike Tomlin have won when it feels

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Speaker 2: like they have no business winning. And here they are

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Speaker 2: the home team Monday night, standalone game against the Houston Texans,

447
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Speaker 2: and that vaunted defense against let's call it what it is,

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Speaker 2: a statue in the pocket. At this point in his career,

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Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers. Baltimore did nothing to make Aaron Rodgers uncomfortable

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Speaker 2: in the pocket. The Houston Texans will, but DK Metcalf

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Speaker 2: coming back I think is a big deal for the

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Speaker 2: Pittsburgh Steelers. I think Rogers is playing his best football

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Speaker 2: of the year. I can't believe I'm doing this, Austin.

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Speaker 2: I'm actually going to pick the Steelers to win this game.

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Speaker 3: You're out of your mind. You're just trying to, you know,

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Speaker 3: make good with Bob man Jean.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're gonna talk to him in a few minutes.

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Speaker 2: I know.

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Speaker 3: That's what's what you're trying to do. You're trying to

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Speaker 3: lather him up. No, Houston comfortably, Okay, you've been on

461
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Speaker 3: this from the start. The three stinks to me, it

462
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Speaker 3: really does. And I have some questions about the consistency

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Speaker 3: of Houston's defense, but they have a pass rush, and

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Speaker 3: the law of regression of the mean would suggest that

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Speaker 3: Pittsburgh's not gonna win another home Monday night game.

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Speaker 2: Do you have any question though about the Texans offense

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Speaker 2: a little bit? Yeah, Okay, their offensive line obviously, don't

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Speaker 2: feel great about that in Pittsburgh clearly is very good

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Speaker 2: up front. But I just I got Houston, Okay, I do,

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Speaker 2: I really do. OK.

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Speaker 3: They're the better football team. Nice little whip around there.

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Speaker 3: I think they have the better coaches.

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Speaker 2: Fair, fair, Here's what we'll do, because we're not gonna

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Speaker 2: have time for this really. Once we get to the

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Speaker 2: end of the hour, we'll break, we'll come back, We'll

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Speaker 2: try to squeeze in a call or two, and then

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Speaker 2: we'll get to Bob Man Jean and from there we're

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Speaker 2: gonna roll. Bob Man Jean, Duke Tobin reaction, Charlie Goldsmith talkbacks,

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Speaker 2: moag a all still ahead since he three to sixty

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Speaker 2: ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station, Hey, Alexa, what's the

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Speaker 8: he's still looking, still looking, takes out of funny t

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Speaker 2: What's fire they on top?

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Speaker 3: What a drive?

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Speaker 4: You thought they might run it there and you didn't

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Speaker 4: think number eleven, But.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 11: What what great composure and how fitting for Cartson back to.

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Speaker 2: Have this moment there was. That's how it sounded last night.

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Speaker 2: Chris Fowler Karkarb Strenk the reaction of Carson Beck's game

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Speaker 2: winning touchdown run. As the Miami Hurricanes advance to the

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Speaker 2: College Football Playoff National Championship, they await the winner of

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Speaker 2: tonight's matchup between Oregon and Indiana. That's our wind Schulers

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Speaker 2: Their four fantastic chief spreads pairwell with any get together

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Speaker 2: you may be having this weekend to watch some of

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Speaker 2: the big games. Listen to this Austin before we get

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Speaker 2: into some NFL saw this from our guy, Justin Williams. Okay.

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Speaker 2: Brendan Sowsby, the top college quarterback of the Transfer Portal Window,

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Speaker 2: transferred to Texas Tech with one season remaining on what

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Speaker 2: was a multi year revenue sharing agreement with the University

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Speaker 2: of Cincinnati that includes a one million dollar buyout. Nice

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Speaker 2: that Sorsby now has to pay the University of Cincinnati.

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Speaker 2: How about that. That's smart business by the business by

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Speaker 2: the casts. I like that a lot. Take that one

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Speaker 2: mill Thank you? Okay, I see you later. Okay, maybe

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Speaker 2: That's what drove the price up for Soresby. Like, listen, man,

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Speaker 2: I gotta buy out. I gotta. I'm sure Texas Tech

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Speaker 2: was like, we'll take care of that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I got somebody who can pay your buyout pal.

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Speaker 2: But nonetheless, okay, alright, the Bearcats get something. All right,

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Speaker 2: let's go through these games here this weekend here Austin,

518
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Speaker 2: we started. We both already talked about the college football

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Speaker 2: playoff semi final tonight. Let's start with the NFL games

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Speaker 2: that happened tomorrow, the Rams and the Panthers. It's the

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Speaker 2: eight and nine Panthers hosting the twelve and five Rams.

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Speaker 2: The number is ten and a half. That's a big

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Speaker 2: number for a playoff game, especially a playoff game away

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Speaker 2: for the Rams. All that being said, I don't see

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Speaker 2: the scenario of the Rams losing this game. Do you

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Speaker 2: find a path at all that the Panthers can win.

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Speaker 3: No other than Bryce Young being absolutely nuclear and Matt

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Speaker 3: Stafford just throwing the ball to the other team. I

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Speaker 3: can't imagine either one of those two things happened. Uh,

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Speaker 3: the Rams are just better. I wondered maybe with the

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Speaker 3: Rams would weather be a factor. It's going to be

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Speaker 3: seventy and and no rain. Oh, so they'll feel like

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Speaker 3: they're at home. So I the weather's not going to

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Speaker 3: be a factor. However, are you comfortable with ten and

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Speaker 3: a half? No?

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Speaker 2: Not in the playoffs?

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Speaker 3: It just seems like a lot, especially because I don't

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Speaker 3: know if you've seen this, but you know how the

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Speaker 3: Panthers do the keep pounding thing the drum. Did you

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Speaker 3: see who they are teasing is going to do it?

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Speaker 3: I did, and I said I couldn't make it. So

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Speaker 3: who they go with the next best thing? Jimmy Superman,

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Speaker 3: Cam Newton? Oh, that place is going to go bulgers

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Speaker 3: for Cam Newton, which I think is his first time

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Speaker 3: bad okay, in a couple of years. So for that alone,

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Speaker 3: I'll take yes, exactly if now knowing that, I'll take

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Speaker 3: him to cover. Packers go on the road as favorites

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Speaker 3: against the Bears tomorrow night. Now that game does have

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Speaker 3: the possibility for some income at what the little snow,

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Speaker 3: maybe even a little rain, Yeah, gonna be a little colder.

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Speaker 3: We asked earlier in the week, is this season of failure?

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Speaker 3: If the Bears make it as far as they did

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Speaker 3: but lose to the Packers in round one and on

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Speaker 3: the other side, you know what, is there a uneasy

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Speaker 3: future with Matt Lafloor if they lose in the first

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Speaker 3: round of the Bears of the playoffs.

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Speaker 2: This one, to me is fascinating. Yeah. I agree.

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Speaker 3: I need to hear from a Bears fan and I

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Speaker 3: need them to give me an answer. Is this season

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Speaker 3: of success if you lose this game?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I feel like a casual Bears fan would say yes.

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Speaker 3: A diehard Bears fan might say no. I'm struggling to

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Speaker 3: figure out why green Bay is favored. But I'll tell

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Speaker 3: you this. If you followed along with me at all,

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Speaker 3: if you've heard me talk at all, when I went

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Speaker 3: to Green Bay in October to watch the Bengals, Yes,

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Speaker 3: that place stole my heart.

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Speaker 2: I think about it every day. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Still talk to our buddy Glenn, who listens every day,

571
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Speaker 3: who just brought me into this museum of a home

572
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Speaker 3: he has dedicated to Green Bay Pack football. I want

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Speaker 3: the Packers to win. Yeah, and so you know what,

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Speaker 3: damn it, I'll pick the Packers to win. Jordan love

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Speaker 3: eat cheese, Go pack guy. I just this to me,

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Speaker 3: and what a job Ben Johnson's done in year one.

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Speaker 3: This to me is more about lafloor Love and that

578
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Speaker 3: defense finding a way to slow the Chicago Bears down.

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Speaker 2: Sunday Slate. I think the Marquee game, at least for me,

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Speaker 2: it's another road favorite. The Bills against the Jacksonville Jaguars,

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Speaker 2: winners of eight games in a row. The Jags, you

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Speaker 2: can make a case that they come up short in

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Speaker 2: this one. You can also make a case that they

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Speaker 2: play for the Super Bowl based on how well they've

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Speaker 2: been playing and how well Trevor Lawrence is. I think

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Speaker 2: there's a ton of pressure on McDermott. I think there's

587
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Speaker 2: a ton of pressure on Josh Allen. They just don't

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Speaker 2: have the weapons. As much as we talk about the

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Speaker 2: Jags offense, their defense has been just as impressive. I

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Speaker 2: like the Jags as a home dog in this one.

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Speaker 3: I was gonna say it's not ridiculous to say that

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Speaker 3: the Jags are the better football team, that they have

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Speaker 3: the better weapons. They don't have maybe the better quarterback,

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Speaker 3: but they have the better weapons and maybe the better defense,

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Speaker 3: and they're at home. I don't want to pick against

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Speaker 3: Josh Allen, so I'm not going to ooh, I'll take

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Speaker 3: Josh Allen and the Bills to find a way to

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Speaker 3: get it done, but I don't think it's easy at all.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Niners Eagles. This Eagles offense has been awful down

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Speaker 2: the stretch, and yet here they are again, right back

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Speaker 2: in the playoffs, right back in the sweet spot, winners

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Speaker 2: of their division. I don't know what to make of

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Speaker 2: the Eagles and how much this offense has struggled down

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Speaker 2: the stretch. And to me, the Niners with McCaffrey, with Kittle,

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Speaker 2: with Purty, they've just been more consistent and they're getting

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Speaker 2: five and a half right now. I like the Niners

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Speaker 2: with the points. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Like when I first saw this game, I was like,

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Speaker 3: I don't trust Philly at the moment. But I've been

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Speaker 3: doing some research and by that I mean watching hard knocks.

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Speaker 3: I'm back in on the Eagles, and I'm back in

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Speaker 3: on the Eagles defense. I think maybe Mike McDonald showed

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Speaker 3: a couple of things that Vic Fangio, who I think

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Speaker 3: is a guy we forget about in Philadelphia, that Vic

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Speaker 3: Fangio can kind of use to his advantage against Kyle

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Speaker 3: Shanahan in Philly cross country trip for them. That you

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Speaker 3: mentioned the Eagles offense hasn't been great but San Francisco's

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Speaker 3: defense is still banged up. I don't know about Philly

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Speaker 3: covering five and a half, and I know Eagles fans

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Speaker 3: would be deathly afraid if this game came down to

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Speaker 3: a Jake Elliott field goal. But I'll take Philly to win. Okay,

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Speaker 3: two more games, Chargers Patriots. There was so much about

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Speaker 3: me that wants to pick against the Patriots just because

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Speaker 3: they're young, and you know, the Chargers are are more

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Speaker 3: of a veteran team and they've been there before. But Herberts,

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Speaker 3: you have to get over any hurdle in the playoffs,

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Speaker 3: and I don't think whether it'll be a factor, but

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Speaker 3: going to Jillette Stadium for an eight o'clock start on

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Speaker 3: Sunday night is not going to be easy. I just

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Speaker 3: there's something about the Patriots that I'm not yet sold on.

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Speaker 3: And I have this thought that justin Herbert has his moment,

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Speaker 3: that he has his playoff moment, and the Chargers go

633
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Speaker 3: and they upset the Patriots, and the Patriots are a

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Speaker 3: great story and they're not going away.

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Speaker 2: They're gonna be here to stay. But I think the

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Speaker 2: Chargers upset the Patriots in this one. I got the

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Speaker 2: Patriots comfortably Okay, Yeah, just too many injuries for the Charger.

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Speaker 3: Too many injuries New England at home. They're well coached,

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Speaker 3: that's fair. I don't know if I should say comfortably,

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Speaker 3: but to me, a touchdown is comfortable.

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Speaker 2: Okay. I think they win by a touchdown. Texans Steelers.

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Speaker 2: I said this about the Steelers Ravens last week, that

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Speaker 2: everything about me said that the Ravens should go win

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Speaker 2: that game. But it just there's there's games in which

645
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Speaker 2: Pittsburgh under Mike Tomlin have won when it feels like

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Speaker 2: they have no business winning. And here they are the

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Speaker 2: home team Monday night, standalone game against the Houston Texans,

648
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Speaker 2: and that vaunted defense against let's call it what it is,

649
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Speaker 2: a statue in the pocket at this point in his career,

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00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers. Baltimore did nothing to make Aaron Rodgers uncomfortable

651
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 2: in the pocket. The Houston Texans will, but DK Metcalf

652
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 2: coming back I think is a big deal for the

653
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 2: Pittsburgh Steelers. I think Rogers is playing his best football

654
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 2: of the year. I can't believe I'm doing this, Austin,

655
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:45,359
Speaker 2: I'm actually going to pick the Steelers to win this game.

656
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 3: You're out of your mind. You're just trying to, you know,

657
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:50,719
Speaker 3: make good with Bob man Jean.

658
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're gonna talk to him in a few minutes.

659
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 2: I know.

660
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 3: That's what's what you're trying to do. You're trying to

661
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 3: lather him up. No, Houston comfortably, Okay, you've been on

662
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 3: this from the start. Three stinks to me, it really does.

663
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:07,360
Speaker 3: And I have some questions about the consistency of Houston's defense,

664
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 3: but they have a pass rush, and the law of

665
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 3: regression of the mean would suggest that Pittsburgh's not gonna

666
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 3: win another home Monday night game.

667
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:17,360
Speaker 2: Do you have any question though about the Texans offense

668
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 2: a little bit?

669
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, their offensive line obviously they don't feel great

670
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:25,880
Speaker 3: about that in Pittsburgh clearly is very good up front.

671
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:30,799
Speaker 3: But I just I got Houston, okay, I do. I

672
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 3: really do think they're the better football team. Nice little

673
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:35,760
Speaker 3: whip around there. I think they have the better coaches.

674
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:36,840
Speaker 12: Fair.

675
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 2: Fair, Here's what we'll do, because we're not gonna have

676
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 2: time for this. Really, once we get to the end

677
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 2: of the hour, we'll break, we'll come back, We'll try

678
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:45,799
Speaker 2: to squeeze in a call or two, and then we'll

679
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:47,799
Speaker 2: get to Bob Manjeen and from there we're gonna roll

680
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 2: Bob Man Jean, Duke Tobin, reaction, Charlie Goldsmith talkbacks, Moeger

681
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,320
Speaker 2: All still ahead since he three to sixty ESPN fifteen

682
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 2: to thirty Cincinnati Sports Station. Hey, Alexa, what's the latest

683
00:36:58,160 --> 00:36:58,400
Speaker 2: on the.

684
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:02,439
Speaker 1: NBA getting esp It's fifteen thirty from iHeartRadio.

685
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 2: Hey, welcome back. What a day, Clouds of party, whether's

686
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 2: comfortable outside? And Duke Tobin's gonna speak to the media

687
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 2: at one o'clock. We will react in the two o'clock hour.

688
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 2: In the one o'clock hour, after Duke Tobin speaks, we'll

689
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:28,360
Speaker 2: hear from Charlie Goldsmith at two o'clock. We'll have talkbacks

690
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 2: after that, and to finish up our number one in

691
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 2: just a few moments, we'll be joined by Bob Manjean

692
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,399
Speaker 2: from the University of Cincinnati and Nova Care to talk

693
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 2: about those off season decisions to rehab or to undergo surgery.

694
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:43,840
Speaker 2: I think this is interesting awsome because we've seen this

695
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 2: with the Cincinnati Reds before or different sports. Of a

696
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 2: player is essentially rehabs all off season, then he goes

697
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 2: to camp and all of a sudden he's still got

698
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 2: a problem, a lingering problem. When to have surgery, when

699
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 2: to rehab? Bob Man Jean settles it for us today.

700
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 2: Before we get to that, we've got a couple minutes

701
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:02,880
Speaker 2: to take a couple of phone calls. Mike is calling in.

702
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 2: What's up Mike?

703
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 6: Hey, guys, thanks a munch. Well, I'll tell you what.

704
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 6: This is going to be a fun weekend. This weekend follows.

705
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,320
Speaker 2: I can't wait, I can't wait.

706
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 6: Hey, Mo Hager surprised me last night.

707
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 13: He was talking about home dog with some He was

708
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 13: talking to quite a bit of baseball, but he was

709
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:24,839
Speaker 13: talking to home dog, home dog strategy in baseball, and

710
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 13: he said it was the single best, most profitable gambling

711
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 13: strategy for baseball that he has ever heard of.

712
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 6: And Moe is in astute.

713
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 2: Yes, I don't doubt it. I don't doubt it.

714
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 6: What do you guys think?

715
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 2: I love it. It's it's been good to me every

716
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 2: baseball season since you introduced it to us. I also

717
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 2: think it's interesting because there are some home dogs on

718
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 2: the football field this weekend that I don't know if

719
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 2: they should be home dogs.

720
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, and that's what you were just talking about. I

721
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 6: want to get to the NFL. But that game last night,

722
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,840
Speaker 6: let's let's take that last place. If that play is

723
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 6: from the fifteen or twenty yard line, that's a pass interference, yes,

724
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:06,439
Speaker 6: for sure, yep.

725
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 2: And it probably if it's at any point in the

726
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 2: game other than the last play, it's a pass interference.

727
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 6: Right, But even on the last play, if it was

728
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 6: from within fifteen or twenty the yards, I don't see

729
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:20,399
Speaker 6: how the rep couldn't couldn't do it, because then it's

730
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 6: not it's not a throw it up jump ball. Correct

731
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:30,319
Speaker 6: Austin chime in? All right, don't chime in.

732
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:33,800
Speaker 2: I think Austin was on the phone with a different caller.

733
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 6: Got to my bed, uh Indiana tonight. I don't know.

734
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 6: They say that Dante Moore tends to stay in the

735
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 6: pocket and let let the rush come to him a

736
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 6: little bit too much rather than getting out a little bit.

737
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 6: Do you agree with that?

738
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, a little bit. But I think he's improved so much.

739
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:56,760
Speaker 2: He was bad the first time these two teams played,

740
00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 2: but he has been so good down the stretch. And

741
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 2: I as long as he is the guy that's that's

742
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 2: got the ball in his hands, I give Oregon a chance.

743
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 2: But even more so than that. The defense that Oregon

744
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 2: threw out there against Texas Tech might be the most

745
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:14,759
Speaker 2: impressive defensive performance I've seen all year, And because of

746
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:16,799
Speaker 2: that and the improvements there, I give them more than

747
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:17,800
Speaker 2: a fighting chance tonight.

748
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:22,359
Speaker 6: Yeah, I just I don't. Well, I'd like to see

749
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 6: the ducksman, But I like Indiana too, just because they

750
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 6: haven't done anything in so long. Now, everybody, they're like

751
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:33,720
Speaker 6: America's team, like old miss. Last night, I think yep, Okay, NFL,

752
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 6: did you realize I read this or actually I heard

753
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 6: Greg Cosel, my absolute favorite analyst. You know that guy's

754
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 6: been with NFL film for forty six years. Man, absolutely,

755
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 6: so his scheming knowledge is unbelievable. Sure, and well, I

756
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:57,399
Speaker 6: didn't realize last night. Stafford has twenty touchdown passes too

757
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:00,920
Speaker 6: in that thirteen offense to three different tight ends.

758
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:02,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, they use the tight ends so well.

759
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 6: Tds tone for three teeth for three tight ends. That

760
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:08,879
Speaker 6: blows my mind.

761
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 2: Yep.

762
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 6: But look out now, because Davante's back, They've got their

763
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:16,799
Speaker 6: two starting offensive lineman back, they got their two secondary

764
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 6: starters back, So I think they're going to beat the

765
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 6: breaks off Carolina this un as long as Stafford, one

766
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:25,760
Speaker 6: of the last gun slingers. Yeah, doesn't throw too many picks.

767
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I just think that again, with Davante Adams

768
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:29,799
Speaker 2: coming back, I don't think it could have been a

769
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 2: better first round matchup for the Rams to kind of

770
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 2: get him back and into the fold with a team

771
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 2: that you should be able to handle.

772
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:41,800
Speaker 6: Yeah, you're well, you're always right when it comes to football.

773
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 6: I always defer to your judgment, Houston. You know, with

774
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:51,760
Speaker 6: that foreman the only team in football with a solid

775
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:55,840
Speaker 6: fore man pressure. That means every time they've got seven

776
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 6: guys potentially in pass coverage, Right, how do you beat that?

777
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 2: It's hard to be as it is, And I think

778
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 2: it's even harder when you have Aaron Rodgers who's just

779
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:05,240
Speaker 2: not at the point in his career anymore where he's mobile.

780
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 2: He's not going to extend plays with his legs, which

781
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 2: I feel like is gonna make it a very very

782
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:13,399
Speaker 2: hard matchup for the Steelers on Monday Night.

783
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 6: And Houston doesn't deviate from Snell to that fore man rush,

784
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 6: and why would they?

785
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 9: Right?

786
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:19,280
Speaker 2: Correct?

787
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 6: Is that the best foreman pass rush you've seen in

788
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 6: a while this year?

789
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 2: Absolutely?

790
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, So let me see telling if I had one

791
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 6: more thing before I hang up, and then I'll be

792
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:31,399
Speaker 6: all mad. I know you got to get going.

793
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:32,360
Speaker 13: You've got a lot of stuff to do.

794
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:34,800
Speaker 6: You're tight on time. Okay, I'm done, Thank you, Thank.

795
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 2: You, Mike. Have a great weekend. Uh we got time

796
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 2: for one more coop? What's up?

797
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 4: Hey?

798
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 6: What's going on? Tony?

799
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:44,319
Speaker 14: Hey?

800
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 15: You know, first off, when Austin.

801
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:49,799
Speaker 14: Answers the phone, he's a completely different guy than when

802
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 14: he's on the radio.

803
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 2: I mean, he's like a bill collector. He's all business.

804
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,360
Speaker 6: He's like there's a I mean, he's kind of Yeah.

805
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 2: It scares me half the time.

806
00:42:58,000 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 6: I want to hang up. You know what I'm talking about.

807
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 16: Don't you.

808
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 2: Austin your all business when you phone.

809
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:05,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it changes my voice so it doesn't sound

810
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 3: like me at all. And I just want to know

811
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 3: because I don't scare. I don't have time. I just

812
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:11,439
Speaker 3: got to know. What's your name? Where are you calling from?

813
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:13,359
Speaker 2: We're not in the same room, so I don't get

814
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:15,319
Speaker 2: to hear it. I'll imagine it's something like, what do

815
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 2: you want? Who is this?

816
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 3: No, it's I I say three sixty. What's your name?

817
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:20,399
Speaker 3: Where are you calling from?

818
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:22,360
Speaker 2: Okay?

819
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 14: I mean, you're this lovable gaps great case and.

820
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:30,359
Speaker 6: It said it scares men, bless you. I almost flung up.

821
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 2: I'll be honest with you now.

822
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 14: Now, Tony, Tony, are you happy with the with the

823
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 14: Ticketmaster transfer here, that with them with the tickets that

824
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:42,360
Speaker 14: you see, or me?

825
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 6: You happy without that whole thing went down? I have

826
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 6: a big win for us.

827
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:49,280
Speaker 2: I don't know that it's a huge win. I I don't.

828
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 14: I didn't even notice that that damn letter.

829
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't. I don't think it's a big deal,

830
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:58,919
Speaker 2: but but I know it's something that's talked about a lot.

831
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 15: What where where are we gonna?

832
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 12: How are we going to get out of this mess?

833
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 14: I mean, I I just don't see. I don't see

834
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:11,360
Speaker 14: us ever doing anything until everything.

835
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 2: Changes, until the rules changes.

836
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 6: And I don't think we're dynamic enough to get out

837
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 6: of it.

838
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 2: We're just gonna wait.

839
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 6: For the pack to come back to us.

840
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 2: Yeah.

841
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 6: They it's depressing.

842
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 2: It's I don't know the other route. I don't know

843
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:25,319
Speaker 2: the route yet. But they've got to find a way

844
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:27,359
Speaker 2: to get creative, and they've got to find a way

845
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 2: to think outside the box because it is it's such

846
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 2: a different time and it's not just you see. I

847
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 2: think the last time I saw you see has just

848
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 2: as many players in the portal as Ohio State does

849
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 2: that have left the team. So it's not like that

850
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:46,240
Speaker 2: it's just the teams that that can't afford it. Every

851
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 2: team has loss. But the problem is is that getting

852
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 2: players out of the portal to join your team is

853
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 2: now more expensive than ever. They've got to find a

854
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 2: way to get creative on how they're going to find

855
00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 2: that money.

856
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:02,239
Speaker 14: You know it may now we got IU in the

857
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 14: National Championship game. Do you know that they used to

858
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 14: take their stadium picture when Ohio State played.

859
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 6: At Memorial Stadium.

860
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:12,839
Speaker 14: That's when they would do it.

861
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:13,839
Speaker 6: Get a red.

862
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:16,799
Speaker 14: They can never get the stansfield enough, except when they

863
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:17,720
Speaker 14: play at Ohio State.

864
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:18,399
Speaker 2: I get it.

865
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:20,839
Speaker 14: And these guys are fossire gonna win the whole thing.

866
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 6: It's insane.

867
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 2: It's insane. Coop Man, thank you so much. Have a

868
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 2: great weekend.

869
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:28,799
Speaker 3: Sorry I scared you, Coop.

870
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Speaker 2: All right, we'll take a break when we come back.

871
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:36,319
Speaker 2: Bob Manjean the University of Cincinnati and Novacare. He will

872
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:40,800
Speaker 2: get us up to speed on off season surgery versus rehab,

873
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 2: and then We'll run that right into Duke Tob and

874
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 2: it all happens next right here on the home of

875
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 2: the Bengals, the ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station wc

876
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:54,839
Speaker 2: welcome back, roll along to finish up our number one

877
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Speaker 2: on this Friday, ESBN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station. Thanks

878
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 2: to our friends at Scott Line Chili. We also thank

879
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 2: our friends at Novacare for their continued support. And each

880
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:06,919
Speaker 2: week we have a chance to speak with our guy

881
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:10,879
Speaker 2: from the University of Cincinnati and Novacare, Bob Mangen, who

882
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:14,240
Speaker 2: joins us right now. Bob, what's going on, Tony?

883
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:16,400
Speaker 12: Just a beautiful day down here in clintond that that

884
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 12: the rain's over and we're getting ready for basketball practice.

885
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:23,359
Speaker 2: Got an away game on Sunday against UCF And then

886
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 2: for you, Bob, Monday Night. You know, the Pittsburgh Steelers

887
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 2: have won twenty three straight Monday night home football games.

888
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 2: What's your level of confidence in your Steelers on Monday Night.

889
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 12: I would say I'm okay with it. I think they've

890
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 12: got a great chance to win. You know, Aaron Rodgers

891
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 12: is hot right now, okay, so okay, and they're actually

892
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 12: protecting him. I'm liking shock. They're giving him a little

893
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 12: bit of protection.

894
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:48,239
Speaker 4: I am.

895
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:52,880
Speaker 2: I'm intrigued because obviously Pittsburgh season is continuing. There are

896
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 2: a lot of NFL teams whose season is over and

897
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:59,319
Speaker 2: whenever that may be. I'm always fascinated with going into

898
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 2: an offseason of sports and the decision of players, because

899
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:04,879
Speaker 2: you go through a season and you're going to get

900
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 2: banged up. You have guys playing through injuries that some

901
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:10,919
Speaker 2: are more significant than others. And I'm always intrigued by

902
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:13,840
Speaker 2: the idea when a season ends of are you just

903
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 2: going to try to rehab an injury or are you

904
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:19,880
Speaker 2: going to address an injury via surgery, because we have

905
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:23,400
Speaker 2: seen times in the past where surgery is not done

906
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 2: and then the injury maybe lingers into the start of

907
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 2: the next season, or they wait and put it off

908
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 2: and then they end up missing part of the early

909
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:33,880
Speaker 2: part of next season. So for me of a training

910
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 2: side of things, what are those conversations like when a

911
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:39,439
Speaker 2: season wraps up and you're talking or dealing with those

912
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 2: players on whether to go to rehab or whether to

913
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:43,840
Speaker 2: have surgery.

914
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Speaker 12: Well, again, it's a team approach, and you know what

915
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 12: I mean by that is it's the docs, it's the trainers,

916
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 12: it's the fiscal therapists. The staff get together, they analyze

917
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 12: the injury, They look at you know, what's the best evidence.

918
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:01,280
Speaker 12: Is the evidence there to to go ahead and operate

919
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 12: on it and get it to the point where you

920
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 12: feel more comfortable with it, or is it you know,

921
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 12: a better opportunity to just go with conservative management. You know,

922
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:13,879
Speaker 12: and again there's never you're not going to be right

923
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 12: all the time. You know. We've had situations where we've

924
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 12: tried to treat things conservatively and sure enough, within a

925
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:24,360
Speaker 12: month of trying that, you know, you end up cutting

926
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:27,239
Speaker 12: bait and going with the surgery. So as you go

927
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 12: through the off season, you're trying to mimic as best

928
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:33,879
Speaker 12: you can what they're going to be in for when

929
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 12: they come to the start of the next season. You

930
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:39,400
Speaker 12: can't always do that clinically, and a lot of we

931
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 12: have is done out on the field. You know, put

932
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:44,399
Speaker 12: them in the environment they're going to be in, try

933
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:48,759
Speaker 12: to do your best to you know, mimic exactly the

934
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 12: forces they're going to undergo and see how they progress.

935
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:54,919
Speaker 12: As long as they're progressing, I don't have any problem

936
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 12: with conservative care. If they're not progressing, or if they

937
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 12: have a set back, then obviously you're going to go

938
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 12: right to surgery. Or if the injury is significant enough

939
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 12: during the season and you're able to get them through

940
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:12,720
Speaker 12: the season, then go ahead and you know, cut bait

941
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:16,359
Speaker 12: and do the surgery. And again for us in basketball,

942
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 12: you know football is right now, both college and NFL,

943
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 12: you know what's best for these guys. But again, when

944
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:26,360
Speaker 12: you operate on them, especially at the collegiate level anymore,

945
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 12: you know, and the kid wants to transfer, the kid's

946
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:31,879
Speaker 12: got another year, does the kid have a red shirt year,

947
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:35,440
Speaker 12: does the kid have a medical year? So those are

948
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:38,360
Speaker 12: all the questions in college you got to ask, you know,

949
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 12: in the you know, at the NFL level, you know,

950
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 12: it's pretty black and white. You know, they're trying to

951
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 12: be at the best they can be. So many times

952
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 12: you hear about these off season surgeries and the guys

953
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 12: come back and they want to be as good as

954
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 12: possible for the next season. And again, there's no right answer,

955
00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 12: no wrong answer. You just go with what the evidence

956
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:01,399
Speaker 12: tells you to try.

957
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 2: And is there is there a time frame or a

958
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 2: cutoff where you may say, okay, we are going to

959
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 2: do the rehab. But if it's not taking, then you

960
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 2: switch up the conversation say, Okay, we want to get

961
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:12,759
Speaker 2: the surgery done sooner rather than later, because you again,

962
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 2: you you have time, you have the off season, but

963
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:18,480
Speaker 2: also nowadays there is really no off season. You're you're

964
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:20,279
Speaker 2: training and you're getting ready for the next year and

965
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 2: all that. So is there that fine line of Okay,

966
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:25,040
Speaker 2: let's rehab this and let's keep an eye on it,

967
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 2: and if it doesn't improve, now we got to get

968
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 2: to the surgery.

969
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 12: I'm using pretty quick. I usually give it two three weeks.

970
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 12: If I don't see there a strength improvement or functional improvement,

971
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:39,759
Speaker 12: if they're still complaining of pain with certain movements, I'll

972
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 12: probably cut vaiton and look at a surgical option for

973
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 12: the athlete. Just to make sure that you know you

974
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:49,799
Speaker 12: have a known outcome. You've gone in there and you've

975
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 12: looked at it. You can get all the MRIs you want,

976
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:56,920
Speaker 12: you can do all the ultrasounds you want. Surgery gives

977
00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:59,400
Speaker 12: you the opportunity to have a direct look at it

978
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 12: and invest to get the injury up close and personal,

979
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:04,880
Speaker 12: as I call it. So I'm willing to give it

980
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:07,120
Speaker 12: about two three weeks, but after that, if I'm not

981
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:11,759
Speaker 12: seeing a functional improvement of pain, improvement and ability to

982
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 12: you know, perform the way they want to start to perform,

983
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:18,239
Speaker 12: then I'm willing to say, Okay, let's go ahead and

984
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 12: go down the road of surgery so that we know

985
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 12: that we have a you know what exactly is going on.

986
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 12: Let's take a look at it and see exactly what's

987
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:29,799
Speaker 12: going on. Especially with injuries like you know, meniscus or

988
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 12: articular cartilage, you know, those kind of injuries, I'd rather

989
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:34,880
Speaker 12: take a look at it.

990
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 2: I also, in today's world, especially at the college level,

991
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 2: in the transfer portal, So you're dealing with an athlete

992
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:46,920
Speaker 2: and he goes through an injury during the season, and

993
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 2: now he's going to transfer to a different school or

994
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 2: she's going to transfer to a different school. Are you

995
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 2: then in contact with that next school. Are you kind

996
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 2: of washing your hands of the situation? Are you trying

997
00:51:57,080 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 2: to take care of it before that athlete moves on

998
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:02,839
Speaker 2: to the next school. How do injuries now affect the

999
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 2: timeline of an athlete deciding to go to a different

1000
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:07,960
Speaker 2: school even though they need something taken care of.

1001
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:12,760
Speaker 12: Well, we're in a buying because, just like any other patient,

1002
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 12: you have to follow hipper roles, which means that if

1003
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:17,840
Speaker 12: the athlete comes in and says to me, hey, I

1004
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 12: don't know, I don't want you talking to my next school,

1005
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 12: or I don't give you permission to release my medical information.

1006
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:27,520
Speaker 12: So when the school calls, it's like, well, I can't

1007
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:31,319
Speaker 12: tell anything. You know, a nice kid, but you know,

1008
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:34,920
Speaker 12: I can't really discuss this medical information. And we do

1009
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:36,839
Speaker 12: the same thing. You know, we try to call and

1010
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:40,239
Speaker 12: get medical information from you know, the athletic trainer from

1011
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 12: the school they're transferring from, and we oftentimes don't get

1012
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 12: the full picture. So I think, you know, you've got

1013
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:50,280
Speaker 12: to do different ways of investigating exactly, you know, watching

1014
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 12: the injury, watching their performance after injury, if they made

1015
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:57,439
Speaker 12: it back, and you're really trying to make an assessment.

1016
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 12: I mean it's pretty yes, when they have surgery that

1017
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:05,000
Speaker 12: they've had to have the surgery, because usually it's on

1018
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:09,240
Speaker 12: social media or it's out there in some injury report.

1019
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 12: But again, you don't know in some cases what kind

1020
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:15,759
Speaker 12: of surgery they had or if they didn't have surgery,

1021
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 12: exactly the extent of the injury until you bring them

1022
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:22,759
Speaker 12: in and now we you know, like the NFL. You know,

1023
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:26,759
Speaker 12: we do physicals and we screen the kids prior to

1024
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 12: them signing, and same thing you know with basketball. You know,

1025
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:33,680
Speaker 12: I try to do my best due diligence to look

1026
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:36,239
Speaker 12: at a kid and try to predict is he going

1027
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:37,719
Speaker 12: to make it if he's not going to make it,

1028
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:42,360
Speaker 12: And sometimes you're right, sometimes you're wrong, you know. And again,

1029
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 12: if it were a perfect world, you know, I wouldn't

1030
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:47,759
Speaker 12: be working at the university level. I'd be writing a

1031
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:50,319
Speaker 12: book on how to guess which kids to signing with kids.

1032
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:53,280
Speaker 2: Nothing certain, Bob Manjien, You're the best.

1033
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:54,080
Speaker 3: Bob.

1034
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:57,480
Speaker 2: Good luck on Sunday with the Bearcats in Orlando. Good

1035
00:53:57,520 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 2: luck on Monday with the Pittsburgh Steelers as well.

1036
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 4: Well.

1037
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:05,800
Speaker 12: I appreciated Tony. I'm thinking we're going to get ours

1038
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:08,839
Speaker 12: hopefully this Sunday, and then turn around Monday night and

1039
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:10,319
Speaker 12: have a two two for two.

1040
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:12,600
Speaker 2: There we go. That is Bob Manjee from the University

1041
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:14,920
Speaker 2: of Cincinnati and Novacare. If you enjoy staying active but

1042
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:17,480
Speaker 2: minor inggs and pains keep getting in the way, use

1043
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:20,480
Speaker 2: the same physical therapist as the Bearcats. Novacare Rehabilitation has

1044
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:23,319
Speaker 2: been the exclusive physical therapy provider to the Bearcats for

1045
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:26,720
Speaker 2: over twenty years. Novacare has a location on UC's campus

1046
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 2: within the Richard Linder Center, where you two can be

1047
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:32,600
Speaker 2: treated like a bearcat. Visit novacare dot com to learn more.

1048
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:37,480
Speaker 2: Our one is done, which means Duke Tobin addresses the

1049
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:40,240
Speaker 2: media next right here on the Home of the Bengals

1050
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:44,880
Speaker 2: ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station KWY Cincinnati.

1051
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1054
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1055
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Speaker 1: Is Tony Pike since e three sixty about Cincinnati. From Cincinnati,

1056
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 1: this is ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

1057
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:09,359
Speaker 2: All right, welcome back here it is. Let's paint the same.

1058
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:11,319
Speaker 2: Duke Toban is at the podium. He's got a hot

1059
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:12,920
Speaker 2: next to him, he doesn't have it on a head,

1060
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:15,759
Speaker 2: He's got a water, he's got notes in front of him.

1061
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:18,719
Speaker 2: He's ready to go. Start the clock. It's Duke Tobyn's

1062
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:21,040
Speaker 2: press conference right here on the Home of the Bengals,

1063
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:23,239
Speaker 2: ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

1064
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Speaker 18: This group and if anybody sees them give him my best.

1065
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:32,000
Speaker 4: But mister Jay, I'll just say a couple of things.

1066
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:37,279
Speaker 18: I'm normally not a pad guy writing things down, but

1067
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:39,200
Speaker 18: I've got a lot of thoughts on the season that

1068
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:42,640
Speaker 18: I'd like to share, and I'm sure we'll get to

1069
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 18: him as we get to the question, so it won't

1070
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:48,000
Speaker 18: take very long at all. But it goes without saying,

1071
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:51,759
Speaker 18: this season is not what we expect, certainly not what

1072
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:57,640
Speaker 18: we will accept. And everybody here knows that it was frustrating,

1073
00:55:58,480 --> 00:55:59,400
Speaker 18: it was challenging.

1074
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:00,000
Speaker 4: It was just.

1075
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:04,360
Speaker 18: Disappointing for all of us, but more importantly, it was

1076
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:07,200
Speaker 18: all those things for our fans. We feel that that

1077
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:13,279
Speaker 18: weighs on us. It hurts us because we know that

1078
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 18: they have high expectations for us. We embrace those high expectations.

1079
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:21,880
Speaker 18: Believe me, we have high expectations for this football team

1080
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 18: as well. We didn't meet those expectations. The group we

1081
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:28,480
Speaker 18: put out there did not fulfill those expectations.

1082
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:32,160
Speaker 4: So it motivates us. It really motivates us to.

1083
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:35,360
Speaker 18: Be better to put a group out there that will

1084
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:40,239
Speaker 18: make the city proud, that will finish games. We have

1085
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:42,560
Speaker 18: a lot of work to do this offseason. We are

1086
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:43,440
Speaker 18: aware of that.

1087
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 4: We're motivated for it, we're excited about it.

1088
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:53,440
Speaker 18: We have a football team that has some challenges that

1089
00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:57,239
Speaker 18: we've got to solve, but beyond that, we have a

1090
00:56:57,280 --> 00:57:00,440
Speaker 18: football team that has a lot of positives to build

1091
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:03,120
Speaker 18: on and a lot of things we're proud of and

1092
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 18: a lot of reasons for optimism. So those are things

1093
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:12,960
Speaker 18: that we're excited about. We just have to this offseason.

1094
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:15,920
Speaker 18: It's going to be all about the who's doing it,

1095
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:19,360
Speaker 18: the what they're doing, and how they're doing it. That's

1096
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:22,640
Speaker 18: the focus. I really believe in the group that we

1097
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:26,240
Speaker 18: have here. Why do I believe in them because they

1098
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:30,360
Speaker 18: have shown that they can do it. They're a collaborative group,

1099
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:34,080
Speaker 18: They're a smart group, they've been there before. We have

1100
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:38,600
Speaker 18: excellent coaches, in my opinion, they're good teachers. Our players

1101
00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:43,080
Speaker 18: respect them. We have a team that, despite the fact

1102
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:47,000
Speaker 18: that we were out of it, was still enjoying being

1103
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:50,640
Speaker 18: around each other, still working hard, and to the very

1104
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:55,320
Speaker 18: end of this season, still improving. That makes me feel good,

1105
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:58,480
Speaker 18: it really does. I'm proud of that. I'm proud of

1106
00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:02,240
Speaker 18: the motivation our coaches provided. I'm proud of the camaraderie

1107
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:05,360
Speaker 18: that our team has within it. To do that, and

1108
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:08,160
Speaker 18: I saw a lot of positives even though there was

1109
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:12,040
Speaker 18: very little to play for, and that does make me

1110
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:15,320
Speaker 18: feel better. So I do believe in the people that

1111
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:20,040
Speaker 18: we have here. You know, I've been here a long time.

1112
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:24,240
Speaker 18: I don't take this job lightly. I don't take it

1113
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:28,600
Speaker 18: for granted. It's the only job I've wanted. It's what

1114
00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:31,520
Speaker 18: I've chosen to do with my life. This team is

1115
00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:36,320
Speaker 18: part of my fabric. I wake up with the singular

1116
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:38,560
Speaker 18: focus of how to make this team better.

1117
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:41,520
Speaker 4: It's what I do. It's a part of who.

1118
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:44,600
Speaker 18: I am in the city that is my home, and

1119
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:49,200
Speaker 18: it hurts when we're not representing the city the way

1120
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:51,760
Speaker 18: that we need to. I think we're capable of it,

1121
00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:56,680
Speaker 18: but we've got to find the solutions to win and

1122
00:58:56,840 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 18: produce in the critical moments of games. The last two

1123
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:05,480
Speaker 18: seasons have been derailed by critical moment executionnaires, and we

1124
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:07,720
Speaker 18: have to find the group of eleven to put out

1125
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:11,920
Speaker 18: there that will execute in the critical moments. And I

1126
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:16,760
Speaker 18: believe that we'll do that. But I'm confident. I think

1127
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:20,560
Speaker 18: there's great days ahead for our football team. There's a

1128
00:59:20,560 --> 00:59:23,200
Speaker 18: lot of work to do. We're motivated to do it.

1129
00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:26,960
Speaker 18: We're excited to be here to do it. I'm excited

1130
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:29,680
Speaker 18: to be here again. I don't take this for granted.

1131
00:59:29,720 --> 00:59:33,280
Speaker 18: I work for a fantastic football team in a wonderful

1132
00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:36,120
Speaker 18: city that's my home, and I'm humbled by that. I

1133
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:40,280
Speaker 18: really am. So we have areas of concern, we have

1134
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:43,960
Speaker 18: reasons for optimism, and with that I will open it

1135
00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:46,720
Speaker 18: up to all of you and hopefully we'll get to

1136
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:48,120
Speaker 18: all those good areas.

1137
00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:53,080
Speaker 19: Those players that eleven, what do you need to do

1138
00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:55,000
Speaker 19: to make sure that you feel that team next season?

1139
00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:55,720
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1140
00:59:55,840 --> 00:59:59,200
Speaker 18: Quite Frankly, it's hard work and we have to find

1141
00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:02,440
Speaker 18: what we believe we need the most and then find

1142
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:06,840
Speaker 18: find the players with those traits UH that'll fill those needs.

1143
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:09,280
Speaker 4: And it's a lot of work.

1144
01:00:09,560 --> 01:00:13,640
Speaker 18: We've gone through a week right now of college scouting

1145
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:18,240
Speaker 18: meetings and every year, you know, I I've told you

1146
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:21,400
Speaker 18: guys this before. I am so impressed with our group

1147
01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:26,840
Speaker 18: up there, with the information background, research UH and UH

1148
01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:30,840
Speaker 18: and time on tasks that they put into analyzing each

1149
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:33,240
Speaker 18: and every one of these college football players. And so

1150
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:36,200
Speaker 18: they are long meetings, they're fun meetings. There's a lot

1151
01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:38,680
Speaker 18: of players that we talk about that you can envision

1152
01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:43,640
Speaker 18: on our football team, and so that I think makes

1153
01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:46,919
Speaker 18: everybody feel positive that there are answers out there. We've

1154
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:49,200
Speaker 18: got to make the right decisions. It's on me to

1155
01:00:49,240 --> 01:00:52,400
Speaker 18: point us in the right direction. When we've had failures,

1156
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:55,280
Speaker 18: I pointed us in the wrong direction. We are a

1157
01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:57,320
Speaker 18: highly collaborative football team.

1158
01:00:57,360 --> 01:01:00,800
Speaker 4: We really are. We want everybody's by in on what

1159
01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:01,320
Speaker 4: we're doing.

1160
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:04,240
Speaker 18: We want them to know the why of what we're doing,

1161
01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:08,680
Speaker 18: the reasons for the decision, and what the vision for

1162
01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:12,800
Speaker 18: the individual players that are here is. We want everybody

1163
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:15,560
Speaker 18: on board with that. But when we get pointed on

1164
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:16,160
Speaker 18: the wrong.

1165
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:16,560
Speaker 4: Guy, it's me.

1166
01:01:16,720 --> 01:01:20,120
Speaker 18: I have to steer the ship away from poor decisions,

1167
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:23,720
Speaker 18: even though it's what we might feel at the time,

1168
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:26,560
Speaker 18: and I have to do a better job of getting

1169
01:01:26,680 --> 01:01:30,600
Speaker 18: us pointed at the right decisions at the critical times.

1170
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:31,600
Speaker 4: We've done that.

1171
01:01:31,680 --> 01:01:36,080
Speaker 18: We've had good decisions and they're collaborative decisions. But I've

1172
01:01:36,160 --> 01:01:38,960
Speaker 18: got to do a better job of weeding out the

1173
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:42,720
Speaker 18: bad decisions. And we have made some every team does,

1174
01:01:43,320 --> 01:01:46,080
Speaker 18: but we've also made some good decisions.

1175
01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:51,600
Speaker 19: You're not signing more external guys last off season?

1176
01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:55,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, last off season. It was a challenging off season.

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01:01:55,840 --> 01:01:58,600
Speaker 18: I think we did a lot of things that people

1178
01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:01,160
Speaker 18: didn't think we could do, or at least a voice

1179
01:02:01,160 --> 01:02:04,960
Speaker 18: that we could not do. We attacked the last offseason

1180
01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:10,240
Speaker 18: in a pretty big way. Again, we re signed guys

1181
01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:11,960
Speaker 18: that we felt fit what we were going to do,

1182
01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:14,080
Speaker 18: that we believed in.

1183
01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:17,720
Speaker 4: Being key contributors for us.

1184
01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:21,880
Speaker 18: And you're talking on defense, but really with the off

1185
01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:26,480
Speaker 18: season signings, I think we wrote well over four hundred

1186
01:02:26,520 --> 01:02:27,880
Speaker 18: million dollars worth.

1187
01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:29,240
Speaker 4: Of contracts last off season.

1188
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:33,600
Speaker 18: When you sum up everything we did, those aren't easy

1189
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:39,560
Speaker 18: and those negotiations aren't easy, but we were satisfied that.

1190
01:02:39,560 --> 01:02:40,120
Speaker 4: We were.

1191
01:02:42,040 --> 01:02:49,280
Speaker 18: Maintaining clear top of the league players. We have clear elite, elite,

1192
01:02:49,560 --> 01:02:53,439
Speaker 18: world class, best in the world players on this football team.

1193
01:02:53,480 --> 01:02:56,000
Speaker 18: That's one of the reasons we have high expectations. We

1194
01:02:56,040 --> 01:02:59,640
Speaker 18: didn't want to lose that and we wanted that CONTINUITI

1195
01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:03,240
Speaker 18: to build off of Did we build off of it enough?

1196
01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:07,720
Speaker 18: Was the defense up to it enough? Obviously it wasn't,

1197
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:12,280
Speaker 18: and that falls on me. But we did at the

1198
01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:15,320
Speaker 18: time what we thought would would produce for us.

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01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:18,439
Speaker 4: Obviously, did you believe in your staff and the guys

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01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:19,000
Speaker 4: you worked with?

1201
01:03:19,080 --> 01:03:21,840
Speaker 20: Yeah, but three straight non playoff years to the last

1202
01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:23,800
Speaker 20: ten as well, you made the playoffs.

1203
01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:26,400
Speaker 4: Why should fans have that to lead you need to

1204
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:30,120
Speaker 4: do well. I understand that they probably don't. Right now.

1205
01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:32,520
Speaker 18: All I can do is work us out of it.

1206
01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:35,520
Speaker 18: We've done it before, you know, We've done it before

1207
01:03:35,560 --> 01:03:37,960
Speaker 18: with a team full of draft choices and had high

1208
01:03:38,040 --> 01:03:40,960
Speaker 18: level football teams. We've done it before with a blend

1209
01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:43,720
Speaker 18: of free agents and draft choices, and then we've also

1210
01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:46,160
Speaker 18: taken us to the super Bowl with a number of

1211
01:03:46,840 --> 01:03:49,960
Speaker 18: UFA signings. So we can add to the team in

1212
01:03:50,040 --> 01:03:55,360
Speaker 18: a lot of different areas. We have excellent scouts who

1213
01:03:55,520 --> 01:03:57,360
Speaker 18: give us the analysis.

1214
01:03:57,040 --> 01:03:59,360
Speaker 4: It's on us to make the right decisions.

1215
01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:02,440
Speaker 18: And even if you want a player doesn't mean you

1216
01:04:02,440 --> 01:04:05,200
Speaker 18: get them. It doesn't mean you get them in the draft.

1217
01:04:05,240 --> 01:04:07,360
Speaker 18: It doesn't mean you get them in free agency. The

1218
01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:09,960
Speaker 18: whole puzzle does have to fit together, and so we

1219
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:12,800
Speaker 18: work to fit the puzzle together in the best.

1220
01:04:12,560 --> 01:04:15,120
Speaker 4: Way that we can that we can do that.

1221
01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:18,160
Speaker 21: Talked earlier, why do you believe you should still be

1222
01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:22,280
Speaker 21: in the job, And then also what will you will

1223
01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:24,880
Speaker 21: you look to do anything differently than you've done previously

1224
01:04:25,040 --> 01:04:25,440
Speaker 21: or career?

1225
01:04:26,280 --> 01:04:28,760
Speaker 18: Yeah, you know, if if your question is do I

1226
01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:30,040
Speaker 18: have confidence in myself.

1227
01:04:30,120 --> 01:04:30,440
Speaker 4: I do.

1228
01:04:30,760 --> 01:04:33,560
Speaker 18: But most importantly, I've got confidence in the people here,

1229
01:04:33,840 --> 01:04:36,880
Speaker 18: I really do. And I've got confidence in the processes

1230
01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:40,320
Speaker 18: that we have here, and I've got confidence in our ownership.

1231
01:04:41,240 --> 01:04:44,200
Speaker 18: I've got confidence in the players we have. We have

1232
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:48,720
Speaker 18: very good players. It's it's not up to me to

1233
01:04:48,840 --> 01:04:50,880
Speaker 18: determine whether I'm here or not.

1234
01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:54,960
Speaker 4: I've been doing this my whole life. It is my life.

1235
01:04:55,560 --> 01:04:58,480
Speaker 18: NFL football has been a part of my life since

1236
01:04:58,720 --> 01:04:59,800
Speaker 18: I opened my eyes.

1237
01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:03,200
Speaker 4: That is what I do. So I believe I know

1238
01:05:03,360 --> 01:05:03,920
Speaker 4: this game.

1239
01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:07,520
Speaker 18: I believe I know players, and I know for a

1240
01:05:07,600 --> 01:05:09,880
Speaker 18: fact that nobody works.

1241
01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:10,560
Speaker 4: At it more than me.

1242
01:05:11,080 --> 01:05:15,640
Speaker 18: And it doesn't occupy anybody's mind more than this occupies

1243
01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:19,080
Speaker 18: my mind. I've seen it. I've seen it at high levels.

1244
01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:23,000
Speaker 18: We've had success here, I've seen it at other places.

1245
01:05:23,160 --> 01:05:26,160
Speaker 18: I know what it looks like. But it's not about me.

1246
01:05:26,640 --> 01:05:29,320
Speaker 18: It's about our group, and that's what gives me the

1247
01:05:29,360 --> 01:05:32,560
Speaker 18: most confidence. It's about what I've seen in our group,

1248
01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:36,160
Speaker 18: not only in the personnel area, in the coaching area

1249
01:05:36,200 --> 01:05:38,440
Speaker 18: as well, and in what we have in the locker

1250
01:05:38,520 --> 01:05:39,240
Speaker 18: room right now.

1251
01:05:39,360 --> 01:05:41,160
Speaker 22: Well, you went as far as to say you thought

1252
01:05:41,640 --> 01:05:44,600
Speaker 22: you had a championship team going into this season.

1253
01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:47,960
Speaker 18: Absolutely is there. We still have a championship team in

1254
01:05:47,960 --> 01:05:51,880
Speaker 18: my mind. We have elite, world class players. We had

1255
01:05:51,880 --> 01:05:55,360
Speaker 18: a lot of challenges this year, a lot of challenges.

1256
01:05:55,760 --> 01:05:59,600
Speaker 18: We didn't navigate them effectively enough. We navigated some of

1257
01:05:59,640 --> 01:06:03,120
Speaker 18: them as effectively as you could, and then we had

1258
01:06:03,200 --> 01:06:06,840
Speaker 18: challenges elsewhere when you lose your quarterback.

1259
01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:09,440
Speaker 4: We have a quarterback that we.

1260
01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:15,720
Speaker 18: Have taken great pains in building an offense around and for,

1261
01:06:16,680 --> 01:06:20,439
Speaker 18: and it does and that offense took steps this year

1262
01:06:21,320 --> 01:06:25,320
Speaker 18: without him, and so with him, we feel like that

1263
01:06:25,560 --> 01:06:28,720
Speaker 18: is starting to just hit its stride. With the way

1264
01:06:28,760 --> 01:06:31,960
Speaker 18: the offensive line came on, with the way the running

1265
01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:35,760
Speaker 18: game came on, I would tell you that I saw

1266
01:06:35,880 --> 01:06:38,280
Speaker 18: things this year that I wouldn't have thought I would

1267
01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:42,000
Speaker 18: ever see. Somebody walk into the building two days before

1268
01:06:42,040 --> 01:06:46,280
Speaker 18: a game, pick up an incredibly complex offense, go out

1269
01:06:46,280 --> 01:06:49,800
Speaker 18: with people he just shook hands with and make it work.

1270
01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:51,160
Speaker 4: That is amazing.

1271
01:06:51,600 --> 01:06:54,840
Speaker 18: You know, you know people from Afar because they're in

1272
01:06:54,960 --> 01:06:58,040
Speaker 18: the same industry as you, and I know Joe Flacco

1273
01:06:58,200 --> 01:07:01,240
Speaker 18: from Afar, But when when you meet him and get

1274
01:07:01,280 --> 01:07:05,120
Speaker 18: to appreciate what he's all about and what he accomplished

1275
01:07:05,120 --> 01:07:07,919
Speaker 18: here in such a short time and then go out

1276
01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:11,040
Speaker 18: and have an injury, not be able to practice and

1277
01:07:11,160 --> 01:07:15,240
Speaker 18: still go out and produce. That speaks to him. It

1278
01:07:16,200 --> 01:07:19,680
Speaker 18: also speaks to our coaches and how they are able

1279
01:07:20,080 --> 01:07:25,280
Speaker 18: to immediately pivot and regenerate something that gave us a chance.

1280
01:07:25,760 --> 01:07:28,959
Speaker 18: Other parts of the team than decided it wasn't going

1281
01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:30,720
Speaker 18: to give us a chance, and.

1282
01:07:31,600 --> 01:07:33,440
Speaker 4: That's on me. That's on me.

1283
01:07:33,840 --> 01:07:37,320
Speaker 18: But there are things that worked and things that show me, hey,

1284
01:07:37,320 --> 01:07:40,360
Speaker 18: we've got the right people in this building, because that

1285
01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:43,400
Speaker 18: doesn't happen. That is a rare, rare thing that you

1286
01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:47,440
Speaker 18: can create something out of nothing and then have the

1287
01:07:47,480 --> 01:07:52,200
Speaker 18: success that that had, And so I'm proud of that.

1288
01:07:52,680 --> 01:07:53,320
Speaker 4: I really am.

1289
01:07:53,840 --> 01:07:59,760
Speaker 23: Seeking Joe burrowvious, it was obviously disillusioned, disheartened by the

1290
01:07:59,800 --> 01:08:02,520
Speaker 23: way of the season turned out. What he came back to,

1291
01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:07,680
Speaker 23: I'm curious what kind of assurances you've given him that

1292
01:08:07,760 --> 01:08:10,760
Speaker 23: this won't happen again and that the roster will be competitive,

1293
01:08:10,840 --> 01:08:15,200
Speaker 23: especially on the defensive side, where all the fairest.

1294
01:08:14,320 --> 01:08:15,760
Speaker 4: Of we had failure early.

1295
01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:18,479
Speaker 18: The thing that I saw in our defense though, as

1296
01:08:18,479 --> 01:08:22,799
Speaker 18: it went on, Craigs, is that is that it started

1297
01:08:22,800 --> 01:08:25,200
Speaker 18: to find its footing. We played a lot of young guys.

1298
01:08:25,479 --> 01:08:28,880
Speaker 18: It started the game slowed down for him. They sped up.

1299
01:08:29,280 --> 01:08:32,720
Speaker 18: We finally figured out how to stop the run. We

1300
01:08:32,760 --> 01:08:36,439
Speaker 18: were stopping the run, we were generating turnovers. When the

1301
01:08:36,520 --> 01:08:39,280
Speaker 18: defense played well, then that it was the offensive turn

1302
01:08:39,800 --> 01:08:43,880
Speaker 18: to not play well. We have to find that complimentary football.

1303
01:08:45,040 --> 01:08:48,200
Speaker 18: I'm always open and honest with Joe, you know, but

1304
01:08:48,280 --> 01:08:49,880
Speaker 18: it takes a full football team.

1305
01:08:50,439 --> 01:08:53,080
Speaker 4: And I don't believe that.

1306
01:08:52,680 --> 01:08:56,479
Speaker 18: That one side of the ball was not complicit in

1307
01:08:56,560 --> 01:08:59,519
Speaker 18: our season. Both sides of the ball, all three phases

1308
01:09:00,040 --> 01:09:03,040
Speaker 18: were complicit in our season, and we've got to clean

1309
01:09:03,080 --> 01:09:06,320
Speaker 18: that up. It's the critical moments of games, when one

1310
01:09:06,360 --> 01:09:09,280
Speaker 18: side is doing well, the other side has to take advantage.

1311
01:09:09,360 --> 01:09:13,000
Speaker 18: The main example of that was Miami. We went down there,

1312
01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:16,519
Speaker 18: we generated turnovers, we scored touchdowns, We generated turnover, we

1313
01:09:16,560 --> 01:09:20,000
Speaker 18: scored touchdowns. As complimentary football. We didn't have that a

1314
01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:23,360
Speaker 18: lot this year. We need to find that talk earlier.

1315
01:09:23,400 --> 01:09:26,920
Speaker 20: As fans are you know this? Fans are upset. I'm

1316
01:09:26,920 --> 01:09:29,400
Speaker 20: here kind of representing fans. I'm not as of course. Yeah,

1317
01:09:30,240 --> 01:09:32,800
Speaker 20: they want to know a few things. What are you

1318
01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:36,000
Speaker 20: going to specifically do in the off season to create

1319
01:09:36,040 --> 01:09:38,040
Speaker 20: a championship team immediately.

1320
01:09:37,960 --> 01:09:40,519
Speaker 24: Will you beef up your scouting department, which you were

1321
01:09:40,600 --> 01:09:41,559
Speaker 24: very proud of, but.

1322
01:09:41,840 --> 01:09:43,800
Speaker 20: Will you beefit up to be more in line with

1323
01:09:43,920 --> 01:09:44,920
Speaker 20: other NFL teams?

1324
01:09:45,400 --> 01:09:49,839
Speaker 24: And will you insist on an offensive play caller because

1325
01:09:49,840 --> 01:09:52,519
Speaker 24: they're till your prices are going up, They're looking at

1326
01:09:52,560 --> 01:09:54,160
Speaker 24: mediocrity and they.

1327
01:09:54,200 --> 01:09:57,120
Speaker 20: Need some assurance that some of these things are going.

1328
01:09:57,000 --> 01:09:57,599
Speaker 12: To be addressed.

1329
01:09:58,520 --> 01:10:01,360
Speaker 4: Well. This is the second part of that offensive play.

1330
01:10:01,120 --> 01:10:03,040
Speaker 20: Calling, offensive play color.

1331
01:10:03,080 --> 01:10:06,080
Speaker 24: They like, they want your scouting apartment beat up, and

1332
01:10:06,080 --> 01:10:08,360
Speaker 24: they want to know, like what other issues, what other

1333
01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:09,720
Speaker 24: things internally.

1334
01:10:09,439 --> 01:10:12,360
Speaker 18: The specifics of the off season. We're still going through

1335
01:10:12,400 --> 01:10:15,360
Speaker 18: that right now. We're still debriefing the season. We're still

1336
01:10:15,400 --> 01:10:18,599
Speaker 18: analyzing each and every player on our on our roster

1337
01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:22,280
Speaker 18: where the needs are. We have a good feeling for

1338
01:10:22,320 --> 01:10:25,040
Speaker 18: where that is. I wouldn't outline exactly. We're going to

1339
01:10:25,040 --> 01:10:29,000
Speaker 18: bring in you know, Paul over here and he's going

1340
01:10:29,040 --> 01:10:32,439
Speaker 18: to play you know, three technique for us. We have

1341
01:10:32,520 --> 01:10:35,519
Speaker 18: a very good idea of where the needs are on

1342
01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:37,800
Speaker 18: our football team and we're going to attack them from

1343
01:10:37,880 --> 01:10:42,360
Speaker 18: a personnel standpoint. Our coaches during the season did a

1344
01:10:42,400 --> 01:10:45,680
Speaker 18: great job in what we were asking the players to do.

1345
01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:48,519
Speaker 4: They made changes in.

1346
01:10:50,080 --> 01:10:52,479
Speaker 18: How we were going about it, and it worked on

1347
01:10:52,560 --> 01:10:54,800
Speaker 18: that side, on the defensive side of the ball, and

1348
01:10:54,880 --> 01:10:57,360
Speaker 18: honestly it worked on the offensive side of the ball.

1349
01:10:57,439 --> 01:11:01,160
Speaker 18: So we had some nimbleness during the season. In terms

1350
01:11:01,240 --> 01:11:07,080
Speaker 18: of our scouting staff. Our scouting staff, in my opinion,

1351
01:11:07,320 --> 01:11:10,800
Speaker 18: is it is the size that it is because I

1352
01:11:10,840 --> 01:11:16,320
Speaker 18: think the collaboration is better at that size. We have

1353
01:11:16,479 --> 01:11:20,080
Speaker 18: never lacked for information on a player. There's never been

1354
01:11:20,120 --> 01:11:23,559
Speaker 18: a player selected that we didn't know anything about. There's

1355
01:11:23,600 --> 01:11:26,800
Speaker 18: never been a player selected that we didn't have multiple

1356
01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:28,880
Speaker 18: reports and large background on.

1357
01:11:29,520 --> 01:11:32,559
Speaker 4: It's not about the volume of information we have.

1358
01:11:33,080 --> 01:11:36,160
Speaker 18: If we make a mistake, it's because at the decision

1359
01:11:36,280 --> 01:11:39,960
Speaker 18: point we made the wrong decision. But it wasn't because

1360
01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:43,520
Speaker 18: we didn't have information on the player. We have information,

1361
01:11:43,720 --> 01:11:46,960
Speaker 18: and we have plenty of opinion on the player, you know,

1362
01:11:47,000 --> 01:11:50,080
Speaker 18: and we've made a lot of good picks. I get

1363
01:11:50,160 --> 01:11:53,880
Speaker 18: that people are don't believe we've made any good picks.

1364
01:11:53,920 --> 01:11:57,360
Speaker 18: We've made a lot of good picks on our current roster,

1365
01:11:57,640 --> 01:12:01,160
Speaker 18: on past rosters, and there will be more on future rosters.

1366
01:12:01,200 --> 01:12:04,760
Speaker 18: I really believe that in terms of our process. Every year,

1367
01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:08,639
Speaker 18: it changes some every year it evolves. We have different

1368
01:12:08,720 --> 01:12:13,839
Speaker 18: data sources, we have different touch points with the players,

1369
01:12:14,479 --> 01:12:17,680
Speaker 18: We change our meeting styles, we change our medicals. We

1370
01:12:18,320 --> 01:12:21,920
Speaker 18: involve and change in how we operate. Every team does,

1371
01:12:22,240 --> 01:12:25,360
Speaker 18: and we also will involve and change in how we

1372
01:12:25,439 --> 01:12:29,679
Speaker 18: meet and when we start attacking free agency and when

1373
01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:33,559
Speaker 18: we start really making the plan for the off season.

1374
01:12:34,160 --> 01:12:36,639
Speaker 18: You know, the rate of the NFL season isn't even

1375
01:12:36,720 --> 01:12:42,960
Speaker 18: over yet, but we're on track with coming up with

1376
01:12:43,200 --> 01:12:47,400
Speaker 18: our plan for how we will attack and who might

1377
01:12:47,520 --> 01:12:49,400
Speaker 18: fit the needs that will have.

1378
01:12:49,960 --> 01:12:51,639
Speaker 4: That's something that we're going through.

1379
01:12:51,680 --> 01:12:56,559
Speaker 18: When you end your season early, it does provide that

1380
01:12:56,720 --> 01:12:59,600
Speaker 18: benefit that you get on this stuff earlier.

1381
01:13:00,120 --> 01:13:04,800
Speaker 19: Into Like I know, you know how rare is the

1382
01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:07,080
Speaker 19: past three seasons the end result. Does it feel like

1383
01:13:07,080 --> 01:13:10,400
Speaker 19: you're wasting this championship window Jamar's championship window?

1384
01:13:11,360 --> 01:13:14,880
Speaker 18: Well, it's the Bengals and uh and when we don't

1385
01:13:14,880 --> 01:13:18,080
Speaker 18: win a championship, that's the only thing that I'm after

1386
01:13:18,400 --> 01:13:21,760
Speaker 18: is a championship. It's not it's not any individuals in

1387
01:13:21,800 --> 01:13:26,200
Speaker 18: this buildings championship. It's the Cincinnati Bengals championship. And that's

1388
01:13:26,240 --> 01:13:29,679
Speaker 18: really the only definition of success that that I have.

1389
01:13:30,320 --> 01:13:34,000
Speaker 18: I don't have a definition of success of making the

1390
01:13:34,000 --> 01:13:37,639
Speaker 18: playoffs or doing X, Y or Z. It's the it's

1391
01:13:37,720 --> 01:13:40,960
Speaker 18: the team that has the positive feeling at the end

1392
01:13:41,040 --> 01:13:43,920
Speaker 18: of the season. That's the only thing that I'm chasing.

1393
01:13:44,040 --> 01:13:45,240
Speaker 18: That's what we want.

1394
01:13:45,960 --> 01:13:46,360
Speaker 3: Uh.

1395
01:13:46,479 --> 01:13:49,080
Speaker 18: We want it for all of our players, We want

1396
01:13:49,120 --> 01:13:53,160
Speaker 18: it for all of our staff. You know, we we

1397
01:13:53,680 --> 01:13:58,040
Speaker 18: have set our team up for Joe in a way

1398
01:13:58,080 --> 01:14:04,280
Speaker 18: that we feel is pretty darn good. And there are

1399
01:14:04,360 --> 01:14:07,120
Speaker 18: resources on the team that we've expended on that. So

1400
01:14:07,280 --> 01:14:11,040
Speaker 18: when you spend sixty or sixty five percent or whatever

1401
01:14:11,080 --> 01:14:13,960
Speaker 18: it is on offense of your cap it's going to

1402
01:14:14,080 --> 01:14:17,559
Speaker 18: affect the other parts of your team. We know that

1403
01:14:18,080 --> 01:14:21,559
Speaker 18: we have to find solutions that fit into that that

1404
01:14:21,640 --> 01:14:23,960
Speaker 18: then produce on the other side of the ball, and

1405
01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:25,439
Speaker 18: we will that will.

1406
01:14:25,479 --> 01:14:26,599
Speaker 4: We're positive about that.

1407
01:14:26,920 --> 01:14:28,519
Speaker 25: With you're saying it set up well in that case.

1408
01:14:28,760 --> 01:14:30,560
Speaker 25: What's been the shortcoming over the last few years in

1409
01:14:30,640 --> 01:14:32,120
Speaker 25: terms of why it hasn't clicked.

1410
01:14:34,479 --> 01:14:34,759
Speaker 4: Well?

1411
01:14:34,760 --> 01:14:37,240
Speaker 18: Offense has you know, when Joe's been in there and

1412
01:14:37,400 --> 01:14:39,559
Speaker 18: when the other Joe's been in there, it has that's

1413
01:14:39,560 --> 01:14:44,000
Speaker 18: where the resources are. When he's not in there, it

1414
01:14:44,040 --> 01:14:47,120
Speaker 18: affects the football team. We went through a stretch of

1415
01:14:47,320 --> 01:14:49,800
Speaker 18: really good teams without without him playing.

1416
01:14:49,840 --> 01:14:54,679
Speaker 4: We started the year two and zero. The defense was was.

1417
01:14:54,840 --> 01:14:58,240
Speaker 18: We thought coming along a little bit, making enough happen

1418
01:14:58,479 --> 01:15:02,679
Speaker 18: for us to be successful team. And we lost Joe

1419
01:15:03,000 --> 01:15:07,799
Speaker 18: and it was a tough stretch there for us until

1420
01:15:07,840 --> 01:15:10,439
Speaker 18: we got rebooted. And then we did get rebooted. But

1421
01:15:10,479 --> 01:15:13,000
Speaker 18: those were good football teams we play. We played, We

1422
01:15:13,080 --> 01:15:17,280
Speaker 18: played teams with elite talent every week and uh and

1423
01:15:17,960 --> 01:15:20,400
Speaker 18: we feel like we.

1424
01:15:19,600 --> 01:15:21,240
Speaker 4: Create problems for teams.

1425
01:15:21,560 --> 01:15:24,640
Speaker 18: Every team creates problems in different ways for teams. We

1426
01:15:24,680 --> 01:15:28,479
Speaker 18: feel like we create problems for teams. You have to

1427
01:15:28,720 --> 01:15:31,599
Speaker 18: You have to win, otherwise you wouldn't be sitting there

1428
01:15:31,760 --> 01:15:35,799
Speaker 18: asking that question. We have to win, and we're keenly

1429
01:15:35,840 --> 01:15:38,719
Speaker 18: aware of that, and Joe is a part of that formula.

1430
01:15:38,800 --> 01:15:41,240
Speaker 25: Well, other teams have been able to navigate what there

1431
01:15:41,280 --> 01:15:44,439
Speaker 25: wasn't a quarterback and still make the playoffs. What's something,

1432
01:15:44,600 --> 01:15:46,640
Speaker 25: What's what's kind of been the disconnect that hasn't been

1433
01:15:46,640 --> 01:15:49,200
Speaker 25: able to been able y'all to kind of navigate that

1434
01:15:49,280 --> 01:15:51,200
Speaker 25: when Joe goes down to still have a team good

1435
01:15:51,280 --> 01:15:52,680
Speaker 25: enough to get into the postseason.

1436
01:15:53,160 --> 01:15:57,479
Speaker 18: Yeah, you know, it's obviously the goal. That's obviously the goal.

1437
01:15:58,120 --> 01:16:01,000
Speaker 18: It's a team sport, it's not just a one person sport,

1438
01:16:01,280 --> 01:16:03,920
Speaker 18: and when one person goes down, you have to have

1439
01:16:03,960 --> 01:16:07,160
Speaker 18: a team that can absorb it. And that's motivating for

1440
01:16:07,280 --> 01:16:10,320
Speaker 18: us to get to that point where we can do that.

1441
01:16:10,439 --> 01:16:13,120
Speaker 17: So, so, like you said earlier, you know, talking about

1442
01:16:13,160 --> 01:16:16,240
Speaker 17: exact players that you're going to be looking for. When

1443
01:16:16,240 --> 01:16:19,200
Speaker 17: you look at this team and this defense specifically, what

1444
01:16:19,320 --> 01:16:21,519
Speaker 17: kind of traits do you think it needs. What kind

1445
01:16:21,520 --> 01:16:23,320
Speaker 17: of you know, makeup do you think you need to

1446
01:16:23,360 --> 01:16:25,320
Speaker 17: look at to bring into this group for next year.

1447
01:16:25,720 --> 01:16:28,720
Speaker 18: Yeah, successful defenses, in my opinion, they have to be

1448
01:16:28,720 --> 01:16:30,800
Speaker 18: able to pressure the passer. You'd like to be able

1449
01:16:30,840 --> 01:16:34,920
Speaker 18: to pressure with four I think we need we need

1450
01:16:34,960 --> 01:16:40,320
Speaker 18: pass rush. I think that relieves some of the strain

1451
01:16:40,479 --> 01:16:44,600
Speaker 18: on the coverage. So I'm a guy that believes in

1452
01:16:44,680 --> 01:16:47,479
Speaker 18: the front on both sides of the ball. That that

1453
01:16:47,680 --> 01:16:50,280
Speaker 18: is my focus. People might not believe that, but that

1454
01:16:50,439 --> 01:16:53,360
Speaker 18: is my focus. They might believe. I love throwing the

1455
01:16:53,360 --> 01:16:55,920
Speaker 18: ball down the field and having great wide outs. Those

1456
01:16:55,960 --> 01:17:00,920
Speaker 18: opportunities presented himself, we grabbed them and we're glad we did.

1457
01:17:01,400 --> 01:17:03,519
Speaker 18: But I want to build the front. I always want

1458
01:17:03,560 --> 01:17:05,679
Speaker 18: to build the front. And so there are a number

1459
01:17:05,680 --> 01:17:09,479
Speaker 18: of pieces that we think we need and can add

1460
01:17:09,560 --> 01:17:11,040
Speaker 18: and we'll see if we can just.

1461
01:17:11,160 --> 01:17:15,320
Speaker 19: The percentages on offense versus defense just contractually. Do you

1462
01:17:15,320 --> 01:17:20,040
Speaker 19: think the organization is willing to, from a contract structure standpoint,

1463
01:17:20,400 --> 01:17:23,040
Speaker 19: do what it takes to get enough on the defensive

1464
01:17:23,040 --> 01:17:24,040
Speaker 19: side of the ball.

1465
01:17:24,080 --> 01:17:27,080
Speaker 18: I think the organization is willing to do anything it

1466
01:17:27,120 --> 01:17:27,720
Speaker 18: takes to win.

1467
01:17:28,520 --> 01:17:29,680
Speaker 4: I mean, that's been my hit.

1468
01:17:29,680 --> 01:17:32,400
Speaker 18: I've been here long enough to know that if that

1469
01:17:32,479 --> 01:17:33,720
Speaker 18: wasn't the case, I wouldn't say it.

1470
01:17:34,040 --> 01:17:37,360
Speaker 4: You know, the organization wants to win. Mister Brown wants

1471
01:17:37,360 --> 01:17:37,719
Speaker 4: to win.

1472
01:17:38,360 --> 01:17:42,240
Speaker 18: Katie Troy, Elizabeth, Caroline, Paul, they want to win.

1473
01:17:42,360 --> 01:17:43,479
Speaker 4: That's what they want.

1474
01:17:43,880 --> 01:17:47,639
Speaker 18: They're willing to do whatever it takes.

1475
01:17:47,240 --> 01:17:49,120
Speaker 20: If you thank you for doing this.

1476
01:17:49,200 --> 01:17:51,559
Speaker 4: By the way, Yeah, you didn't want to come to mobile.

1477
01:17:51,680 --> 01:17:58,920
Speaker 26: Huh who has pulled control of the fifty three man

1478
01:17:59,080 --> 01:18:02,160
Speaker 26: roster dynamic that you guys in the front office.

1479
01:18:02,520 --> 01:18:05,960
Speaker 18: I don't know that we've ever defined that to any degree.

1480
01:18:06,640 --> 01:18:11,320
Speaker 18: We always come to a collaborative approach, you know, ultimately,

1481
01:18:11,520 --> 01:18:15,120
Speaker 18: this is this is mister Brown's team, and uh and

1482
01:18:15,320 --> 01:18:20,360
Speaker 18: he's the owner and if if he or somebody in

1483
01:18:20,439 --> 01:18:24,759
Speaker 18: the ownership group wants to step in, but it never happens,

1484
01:18:24,800 --> 01:18:28,599
Speaker 18: doesn't need to happen. We find the solutions together, Zach

1485
01:18:28,640 --> 01:18:32,639
Speaker 18: and I, Will, Will will hash out, We'll we'll visit

1486
01:18:32,720 --> 01:18:36,160
Speaker 18: with UH, with Katie and Troy and Mike and UH,

1487
01:18:36,320 --> 01:18:37,360
Speaker 18: and we'll come up with.

1488
01:18:37,280 --> 01:18:40,760
Speaker 4: What we feel is best. It's it's never been a

1489
01:18:40,800 --> 01:18:41,400
Speaker 4: power thing.

1490
01:18:41,479 --> 01:18:46,880
Speaker 18: It's it's not like I've never understood stood the when

1491
01:18:46,960 --> 01:18:50,000
Speaker 18: you have a collaborative approach like this, there there isn't

1492
01:18:50,040 --> 01:18:53,880
Speaker 18: really a need for anybody to be thumping anybody else.

1493
01:18:55,240 --> 01:18:58,280
Speaker 18: It's my job to come up with the collaborative approach,

1494
01:18:58,720 --> 01:19:02,519
Speaker 18: come up with a consent, and make the decision if

1495
01:19:02,560 --> 01:19:05,840
Speaker 18: that's what you're asking. But that is not that is

1496
01:19:05,880 --> 01:19:09,120
Speaker 18: not something that comes into any of our decisions.

1497
01:19:09,160 --> 01:19:14,120
Speaker 4: Well it's my decision. So tough luck that doesn't that

1498
01:19:14,160 --> 01:19:14,920
Speaker 4: doesn't show up.

1499
01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:16,800
Speaker 20: I have two more for you.

1500
01:19:18,240 --> 01:19:20,240
Speaker 27: I know you've talked about the growth that you've seen

1501
01:19:20,800 --> 01:19:23,519
Speaker 27: on defense and the complimentary piece of it that you

1502
01:19:23,520 --> 01:19:26,000
Speaker 27: were missing as a team this year, and how defense

1503
01:19:26,040 --> 01:19:30,520
Speaker 27: played in those first two weeks, but for two years now, statistically,

1504
01:19:30,520 --> 01:19:31,920
Speaker 27: when you look at the whole year.

1505
01:19:32,720 --> 01:19:35,639
Speaker 20: Obviously it is your yeah, thirty and last year, I think.

1506
01:19:36,560 --> 01:19:38,559
Speaker 18: Dug a big hole. Dug a big hole. It's hard

1507
01:19:38,560 --> 01:19:40,920
Speaker 18: to get out of a big hole. And we dug

1508
01:19:40,920 --> 01:19:41,400
Speaker 18: a big hole.

1509
01:19:41,800 --> 01:19:45,479
Speaker 27: What do you feel like you're missing most? I know

1510
01:19:45,520 --> 01:19:47,600
Speaker 27: each year is different, but when you look at what

1511
01:19:47,680 --> 01:19:48,400
Speaker 27: you're missing.

1512
01:19:48,200 --> 01:19:50,360
Speaker 18: Depends on the part of the season that you talk about.

1513
01:19:50,360 --> 01:19:53,760
Speaker 18: Even this year, within this own season, it was it

1514
01:19:53,800 --> 01:19:56,840
Speaker 18: was different. We we we really struggled to stop the

1515
01:19:56,880 --> 01:20:00,880
Speaker 18: run and that opened up everything you know else in

1516
01:20:00,920 --> 01:20:01,559
Speaker 18: an offense.

1517
01:20:01,680 --> 01:20:04,080
Speaker 4: We played good offenses. It's not an excuse.

1518
01:20:04,720 --> 01:20:07,799
Speaker 18: We also you know, had to play large stretches without

1519
01:20:08,000 --> 01:20:10,920
Speaker 18: our high we actually it was the highest paid guy

1520
01:20:11,040 --> 01:20:13,400
Speaker 18: on both sides of the ball that.

1521
01:20:14,760 --> 01:20:15,880
Speaker 4: Wasn't out there for us.

1522
01:20:16,160 --> 01:20:19,520
Speaker 18: And you need your closers and you need your aces

1523
01:20:19,160 --> 01:20:21,800
Speaker 18: when it comes down to the fourth quarter and you

1524
01:20:21,880 --> 01:20:22,599
Speaker 18: need to stop.

1525
01:20:23,960 --> 01:20:25,639
Speaker 4: But yeah, it was stopping the run.

1526
01:20:25,680 --> 01:20:28,920
Speaker 18: I was proud of the group after the bye for

1527
01:20:29,280 --> 01:20:35,400
Speaker 18: figuring out, grinding through and making the improvements necessary to

1528
01:20:34,880 --> 01:20:38,120
Speaker 18: give us chances. It would be a different story if

1529
01:20:38,160 --> 01:20:43,639
Speaker 18: I didn't see young players progressing, and I didn't see

1530
01:20:43,680 --> 01:20:48,879
Speaker 18: a progression of understanding, knowledge and execution of our defense.

1531
01:20:48,920 --> 01:20:51,360
Speaker 18: It would be a different story. Believe me, it would

1532
01:20:51,360 --> 01:20:54,880
Speaker 18: be a big different story in my mind. But the

1533
01:20:54,920 --> 01:20:57,880
Speaker 18: reason that it's not is because I see growth. I

1534
01:20:57,960 --> 01:21:01,360
Speaker 18: see growth in a twenty four year old Miles Murphy

1535
01:21:01,840 --> 01:21:06,759
Speaker 18: and you know young corners who have taken the jump

1536
01:21:06,880 --> 01:21:10,320
Speaker 18: and Jordan Battle who have taken the jump. The one

1537
01:21:10,320 --> 01:21:13,639
Speaker 18: thing we really need is we need those guys or

1538
01:21:13,640 --> 01:21:17,880
Speaker 18: somebody else to take on a leadership role and demand

1539
01:21:17,960 --> 01:21:22,400
Speaker 18: the accountability and demand the execution. We need more leadership.

1540
01:21:22,439 --> 01:21:24,960
Speaker 18: We have tons of leadership on the offensive side of

1541
01:21:25,000 --> 01:21:29,440
Speaker 18: the ball. We need somebody's multiple people.

1542
01:21:29,240 --> 01:21:32,639
Speaker 4: To step up and lead that group from within our team.

1543
01:21:33,479 --> 01:21:35,479
Speaker 18: And it could come from the outside and it could

1544
01:21:35,520 --> 01:21:39,400
Speaker 18: come from with from the inside. We can get improvement

1545
01:21:39,479 --> 01:21:42,000
Speaker 18: from both of those areas. We can get improvement and

1546
01:21:42,080 --> 01:21:45,439
Speaker 18: play from the inside, which I see happening, and we

1547
01:21:45,479 --> 01:21:49,439
Speaker 18: can get improvement from the outside via the draft or

1548
01:21:49,640 --> 01:21:52,360
Speaker 18: free agency or wherever we want to attack it.

1549
01:21:52,680 --> 01:21:56,040
Speaker 22: In the collaborative approach you talked about if all the

1550
01:21:56,040 --> 01:22:00,640
Speaker 22: different voices are saying all different players, and is it

1551
01:22:00,680 --> 01:22:03,880
Speaker 22: in your voice that comes in and says we're taking

1552
01:22:03,880 --> 01:22:07,599
Speaker 22: a Marius Memes the first rounds.

1553
01:22:06,600 --> 01:22:10,479
Speaker 18: Example, Yeah, never, It never gets it never gets to

1554
01:22:10,560 --> 01:22:15,400
Speaker 18: that because the conversations are never that haphazard. The conversations

1555
01:22:15,400 --> 01:22:22,960
Speaker 18: are directed focused more along the lines of of these

1556
01:22:23,040 --> 01:22:26,080
Speaker 18: three players and how do they fit and what's your

1557
01:22:26,160 --> 01:22:28,680
Speaker 18: vision for them? And does that match my vision? And

1558
01:22:28,840 --> 01:22:33,840
Speaker 18: does that mac Zach's vision and and and so they're

1559
01:22:33,880 --> 01:22:38,439
Speaker 18: focused conversations. They're not it's not everybody walking in with

1560
01:22:38,479 --> 01:22:41,559
Speaker 18: any idea that they ever thought of the night before.

1561
01:22:42,160 --> 01:22:46,480
Speaker 18: It's it's focused conversations and we come to a collaborative

1562
01:22:47,200 --> 01:22:49,240
Speaker 18: judgment on what is the best way to go.

1563
01:22:49,400 --> 01:22:51,920
Speaker 28: Has it ever come down to that, like to you know,

1564
01:22:52,200 --> 01:22:55,360
Speaker 28: two guys that are being considered, and it comes down

1565
01:22:55,400 --> 01:22:56,799
Speaker 28: to basically you say.

1566
01:22:56,800 --> 01:22:59,559
Speaker 18: Sure, it's it's it's my job to say this one

1567
01:22:59,600 --> 01:23:03,800
Speaker 18: not that one. But it doesn't We work it out.

1568
01:23:04,120 --> 01:23:06,679
Speaker 18: I mean we work it out and get everybody on board.

1569
01:23:06,680 --> 01:23:09,920
Speaker 18: When we make a wrong pick, it's because I let

1570
01:23:09,960 --> 01:23:12,120
Speaker 18: it get out of out of whack.

1571
01:23:12,680 --> 01:23:15,479
Speaker 28: Just to clarify from earlier, there is no plan as

1572
01:23:15,520 --> 01:23:18,480
Speaker 28: of right now to expand the scouting department this offseason.

1573
01:23:18,560 --> 01:23:19,040
Speaker 4: Is that correct?

1574
01:23:19,120 --> 01:23:23,200
Speaker 18: This offseason? No, We're right into it right now. There's

1575
01:23:23,240 --> 01:23:26,240
Speaker 18: a lot of work that's been done Our guys are great.

1576
01:23:26,280 --> 01:23:32,479
Speaker 18: We have fantastic scouts. They work in every area. They

1577
01:23:32,520 --> 01:23:37,760
Speaker 18: are well known around college football, around pro football, and

1578
01:23:37,800 --> 01:23:39,000
Speaker 18: they give us what we need.

1579
01:23:39,160 --> 01:23:42,000
Speaker 17: And your dude, there's so much concern about, you know,

1580
01:23:42,120 --> 01:23:45,599
Speaker 17: Joe Burrow and his happiness run happiness is unrest from

1581
01:23:45,680 --> 01:23:46,639
Speaker 17: outside the building.

1582
01:23:46,880 --> 01:23:50,360
Speaker 29: How much do you allow his voice to carry weights

1583
01:23:50,840 --> 01:23:53,240
Speaker 29: and off season decisions and sometimes based on whether or

1584
01:23:53,240 --> 01:23:55,200
Speaker 29: not he feels like it's going well or not.

1585
01:23:55,160 --> 01:23:59,320
Speaker 4: Going well well. I enjoy talking to Joe. You know.

1586
01:23:59,439 --> 01:24:02,640
Speaker 18: I'm open to visit with any player, and I have

1587
01:24:02,800 --> 01:24:05,960
Speaker 18: visited with multiple players over the course of the season,

1588
01:24:06,080 --> 01:24:09,880
Speaker 18: and I always visit with Joe. And does his opinion matter, Yes,

1589
01:24:09,960 --> 01:24:13,479
Speaker 18: it matters to me. It does matter to me. He's

1590
01:24:13,560 --> 01:24:14,560
Speaker 18: part of the collaboration.

1591
01:24:15,240 --> 01:24:15,479
Speaker 2: You know.

1592
01:24:16,520 --> 01:24:20,559
Speaker 18: Quarterbacks are that way, particularly ones at his level and

1593
01:24:20,640 --> 01:24:24,400
Speaker 18: particularly ones with his intellect and what he has to offer.

1594
01:24:24,760 --> 01:24:26,920
Speaker 18: He's got a pulse of our team and I want

1595
01:24:26,920 --> 01:24:29,800
Speaker 18: to hear that, and so I enjoy talking to him.

1596
01:24:29,840 --> 01:24:33,479
Speaker 18: I enjoy hearing his opinions in terms of you know,

1597
01:24:34,160 --> 01:24:36,439
Speaker 18: when we were in LA at the Super Bowl, everyone

1598
01:24:36,560 --> 01:24:39,240
Speaker 18: was happy. Guess who else wasn't happy this year?

1599
01:24:39,720 --> 01:24:39,800
Speaker 5: Me?

1600
01:24:40,560 --> 01:24:45,120
Speaker 18: I wasn't happy. Nobody's happy when it's not going well,

1601
01:24:46,439 --> 01:24:49,520
Speaker 18: you know. I think Zach mentioned it. It's Paul Brown's

1602
01:24:49,560 --> 01:24:53,599
Speaker 18: famous quote. Winning makes believers of us all. Winning makes

1603
01:24:53,640 --> 01:24:55,600
Speaker 18: believers of us all. We want to get back to

1604
01:24:55,640 --> 01:24:58,479
Speaker 18: the happiness we had out in La at the Super Bowl,

1605
01:24:59,160 --> 01:25:02,360
Speaker 18: and we feel like we can, but we're not there yet.

1606
01:25:02,439 --> 01:25:05,040
Speaker 19: To follow up on what Jeremy does that include potential

1607
01:25:05,040 --> 01:25:07,519
Speaker 19: guaranteed money in year two or year three for potential

1608
01:25:07,520 --> 01:25:08,040
Speaker 19: free agents.

1609
01:25:08,080 --> 01:25:11,040
Speaker 18: If you're wanting contract specifics on what we're going to

1610
01:25:11,080 --> 01:25:13,000
Speaker 18: do in the it depends on the player.

1611
01:25:13,600 --> 01:25:16,880
Speaker 4: It depends on the player and what's required to fight.

1612
01:25:17,240 --> 01:25:20,800
Speaker 18: So you know, we'll do what's required if we have to,

1613
01:25:20,400 --> 01:25:22,280
Speaker 18: you know, to secure a player that we think can

1614
01:25:22,320 --> 01:25:22,920
Speaker 18: help us win.

1615
01:25:23,240 --> 01:25:26,240
Speaker 30: He was asking about Joe and his happiness. You mentioned

1616
01:25:26,240 --> 01:25:30,439
Speaker 30: there's been growth defensively, seeing players grow, but I think

1617
01:25:30,479 --> 01:25:34,240
Speaker 30: there's concern, Duke about the timeline of how long it

1618
01:25:34,280 --> 01:25:38,200
Speaker 30: takes for players to progress and growth and then meet

1619
01:25:38,240 --> 01:25:42,000
Speaker 30: the window. Right of Joe Burrow, Jamar Chase, and t Higgins.

1620
01:25:42,360 --> 01:25:44,960
Speaker 30: We saw the difference that free agents can make in

1621
01:25:45,000 --> 01:25:48,200
Speaker 30: twenty twenty one, when you supplemented the defense with ready

1622
01:25:48,240 --> 01:25:52,200
Speaker 30: made difference makers. When you talk about philosophy of the offseason,

1623
01:25:52,240 --> 01:25:54,840
Speaker 30: you have this window, you have these pieces. Will you

1624
01:25:54,960 --> 01:25:58,840
Speaker 30: attack free agency differently knowing how it paid off in

1625
01:25:58,840 --> 01:26:02,439
Speaker 30: twenty twenty one and knowing that this defense needs ready, It.

1626
01:26:02,400 --> 01:26:06,880
Speaker 18: Can definitely work that way. It can definitely work. These

1627
01:26:06,920 --> 01:26:11,320
Speaker 18: are conversations we have how it works out. There's not

1628
01:26:11,479 --> 01:26:14,679
Speaker 18: twenty five guys you could sign. There's thirty one teams

1629
01:26:14,760 --> 01:26:18,200
Speaker 18: all looking at the same guys. You got to identify

1630
01:26:18,240 --> 01:26:20,639
Speaker 18: the right ones then get them done. And you're talking

1631
01:26:20,640 --> 01:26:26,000
Speaker 18: about you know, bj Hill and Larry Ogujobi and Trey Hendrickson,

1632
01:26:26,720 --> 01:26:30,840
Speaker 18: all guys brought in by our scouting department, you know,

1633
01:26:31,439 --> 01:26:35,640
Speaker 18: all guys identified by our scouting department, recommended by our

1634
01:26:35,720 --> 01:26:40,920
Speaker 18: scouting department, and all worked out. Well, can that happen? Yes,

1635
01:26:41,280 --> 01:26:43,000
Speaker 18: it could happen. We got to find the right guys.

1636
01:26:43,040 --> 01:26:45,160
Speaker 18: They got to be available to us, they got to

1637
01:26:45,200 --> 01:26:47,960
Speaker 18: be open to coming to Cincinnati, and we've got to

1638
01:26:47,960 --> 01:26:50,960
Speaker 18: work out the contract. Those are all ifs. We're not

1639
01:26:51,200 --> 01:26:54,880
Speaker 18: there yet. We're not sure who's available, what are what

1640
01:26:55,000 --> 01:26:58,599
Speaker 18: the options are. But yes, we're open to improving our

1641
01:26:58,640 --> 01:27:00,559
Speaker 18: football team in any way that we can.

1642
01:27:00,760 --> 01:27:03,439
Speaker 25: You mentioned how good that twenty one class was. Why

1643
01:27:03,439 --> 01:27:05,559
Speaker 25: haven't you all hit in the same way in each

1644
01:27:07,280 --> 01:27:10,960
Speaker 25: still in some of the span areas where you can't spend,

1645
01:27:11,000 --> 01:27:12,080
Speaker 25: why haven't you been able.

1646
01:27:12,000 --> 01:27:16,280
Speaker 18: To again year over year? You can't build your team

1647
01:27:16,439 --> 01:27:20,000
Speaker 18: in free agency. It's just not a sustainable process. You

1648
01:27:20,080 --> 01:27:22,880
Speaker 18: have to have your young guys come on. You have to,

1649
01:27:23,479 --> 01:27:27,200
Speaker 18: and whether it's a one year progression, two year progression,

1650
01:27:27,320 --> 01:27:30,320
Speaker 18: three year progression, those guys have to come on. If

1651
01:27:30,320 --> 01:27:32,400
Speaker 18: they don't come on, that's my fault. We've taken the

1652
01:27:32,400 --> 01:27:36,240
Speaker 18: wrong guys. You know, we're no longer drafting guys for

1653
01:27:36,720 --> 01:27:39,639
Speaker 18: second contracts and so forth. We need guys that come

1654
01:27:39,800 --> 01:27:43,960
Speaker 18: in and can give us some help right away and

1655
01:27:44,000 --> 01:27:46,320
Speaker 18: then grow into bigger roles quickly.

1656
01:27:46,479 --> 01:27:48,840
Speaker 4: We need that. That's what every team needs.

1657
01:27:49,160 --> 01:27:53,400
Speaker 18: And every team has A players, B players, and C players,

1658
01:27:53,880 --> 01:27:56,320
Speaker 18: and you need your C players to be able to

1659
01:27:56,400 --> 01:27:59,680
Speaker 18: fill those roles effectively enough so you're A and B

1660
01:27:59,720 --> 01:28:02,880
Speaker 18: player can have success. And we've got to do a

1661
01:28:02,920 --> 01:28:06,080
Speaker 18: better job in all three of those levels on defense,

1662
01:28:06,280 --> 01:28:09,080
Speaker 18: and that is something that we're focused on. We have

1663
01:28:09,120 --> 01:28:11,759
Speaker 18: to get better on all those levels. But not everybody

1664
01:28:11,840 --> 01:28:13,920
Speaker 18: is going to be an A player you can't. Hey,

1665
01:28:13,920 --> 01:28:16,640
Speaker 18: there's not that many of them out there and be

1666
01:28:17,000 --> 01:28:17,960
Speaker 18: you can't afford them all.

1667
01:28:18,400 --> 01:28:20,960
Speaker 31: Last March, you're working on the team to mark contracts.

1668
01:28:21,360 --> 01:28:25,479
Speaker 31: Did that specifically prevent you from adding more than one

1669
01:28:25,760 --> 01:28:28,720
Speaker 31: starter on defense? And free agency? Does the fact that

1670
01:28:28,760 --> 01:28:31,040
Speaker 31: you don't have stuff like that this year give you

1671
01:28:31,080 --> 01:28:33,080
Speaker 31: more of an opportunity to add more stars?

1672
01:28:33,120 --> 01:28:35,599
Speaker 18: Well, we added guys, but we chose to bring back

1673
01:28:35,800 --> 01:28:38,280
Speaker 18: guys that we knew that wanted to be here, that

1674
01:28:38,760 --> 01:28:42,080
Speaker 18: our incoming staff felt good about their role with us.

1675
01:28:42,280 --> 01:28:44,800
Speaker 18: So it's not that we didn't add they were just

1676
01:28:44,880 --> 01:28:46,840
Speaker 18: familiar names to everybody.

1677
01:28:47,160 --> 01:28:48,800
Speaker 23: I think what a lot of fans want to see

1678
01:28:48,880 --> 01:28:52,320
Speaker 23: Duke is a change and approach when things go wrong,

1679
01:28:52,760 --> 01:28:55,160
Speaker 23: when the results aren't there, they're saying, well, what's the

1680
01:28:55,160 --> 01:28:58,919
Speaker 23: front office doing change things to maybe get different results.

1681
01:28:59,120 --> 01:29:02,120
Speaker 4: How do you answer that? Yeah, you go out and

1682
01:29:02,160 --> 01:29:08,559
Speaker 4: you trade for Joe Flacco. You know you're talking in season? Yeah,

1683
01:29:09,880 --> 01:29:10,679
Speaker 4: there just isn't.

1684
01:29:10,840 --> 01:29:14,799
Speaker 18: There wasn't a lot of options for us in season

1685
01:29:14,880 --> 01:29:18,120
Speaker 18: on defense that we felt could could help us in

1686
01:29:18,160 --> 01:29:19,360
Speaker 18: a way that was meaningful.

1687
01:29:20,640 --> 01:29:22,200
Speaker 4: There's a lot that goes into that.

1688
01:29:23,439 --> 01:29:27,000
Speaker 18: Believe me, we're always looking we are keenly aware of

1689
01:29:28,240 --> 01:29:30,880
Speaker 18: our issues as they're happening real time.

1690
01:29:31,280 --> 01:29:32,920
Speaker 4: They are on our mind.

1691
01:29:33,360 --> 01:29:39,519
Speaker 18: And you need to have guys within your structure that

1692
01:29:39,720 --> 01:29:43,760
Speaker 18: can step up. And that's an off season thing more

1693
01:29:43,800 --> 01:29:46,160
Speaker 18: than an in season thing. But you need to have

1694
01:29:46,320 --> 01:29:49,080
Speaker 18: the guys in your backup roles they can step up

1695
01:29:49,120 --> 01:29:51,479
Speaker 18: and hold the four. And you need to have guys

1696
01:29:51,560 --> 01:29:54,040
Speaker 18: even on your practice squad that can step up and

1697
01:29:54,120 --> 01:29:54,719
Speaker 18: hold the four.

1698
01:29:55,920 --> 01:29:57,920
Speaker 19: In the past couple of years, going into the draft,

1699
01:29:58,520 --> 01:30:03,320
Speaker 19: having some clear your holes, whether it's post tackle or

1700
01:30:03,439 --> 01:30:06,000
Speaker 19: linebacker or how hard does that make the draft? And

1701
01:30:06,120 --> 01:30:08,040
Speaker 19: is the goal to not be in that position on

1702
01:30:08,080 --> 01:30:08,519
Speaker 19: April one?

1703
01:30:08,560 --> 01:30:10,600
Speaker 4: You don't want to be in that position. That's not

1704
01:30:10,720 --> 01:30:11,200
Speaker 4: the idea.

1705
01:30:11,439 --> 01:30:14,839
Speaker 18: Many teams find themselves in that position in today's NFL.

1706
01:30:16,360 --> 01:30:19,240
Speaker 18: I can't imagine what the colleges are going through. I mean,

1707
01:30:19,280 --> 01:30:22,799
Speaker 18: you you have your entire team as a free agent,

1708
01:30:23,360 --> 01:30:26,320
Speaker 18: and you have twenty two holes and not two or four.

1709
01:30:27,479 --> 01:30:29,519
Speaker 18: It's not what we want. We want yet we want

1710
01:30:29,560 --> 01:30:34,400
Speaker 18: those predetermined. We want to know who's on our team

1711
01:30:34,439 --> 01:30:37,200
Speaker 18: that are gonna that's going to occupy those needs for us.

1712
01:30:38,080 --> 01:30:40,160
Speaker 4: You know, this year on offense, we feel.

1713
01:30:40,160 --> 01:30:42,880
Speaker 18: Really good we we we feel like that's a unit

1714
01:30:42,960 --> 01:30:48,400
Speaker 18: that's going to be back uh in full and we

1715
01:30:48,439 --> 01:30:51,040
Speaker 18: feel like it's a unit that was really hitting its

1716
01:30:51,080 --> 01:30:53,040
Speaker 18: stride and expanding on the.

1717
01:30:53,000 --> 01:30:56,120
Speaker 4: Stride that it that it hit. So we feel really.

1718
01:30:55,960 --> 01:30:58,800
Speaker 18: Good about that side of the ball and we'll see

1719
01:30:58,840 --> 01:31:01,560
Speaker 18: what we can get done on on defense. It's important

1720
01:31:01,640 --> 01:31:07,720
Speaker 18: for us to address what needs to be addressed. We

1721
01:31:08,400 --> 01:31:11,519
Speaker 18: don't bury our head in the sand. We see what's

1722
01:31:11,560 --> 01:31:13,840
Speaker 18: going on and we'll try to address it in every

1723
01:31:13,840 --> 01:31:14,519
Speaker 18: way we can.

1724
01:31:16,520 --> 01:31:16,760
Speaker 4: Sense.

1725
01:31:16,800 --> 01:31:19,360
Speaker 20: This is a make or break yere for this regime.

1726
01:31:20,240 --> 01:31:22,360
Speaker 4: Picture, for the regime.

1727
01:31:25,400 --> 01:31:29,040
Speaker 18: There's no comfort zone here. There isn't a comfort zone

1728
01:31:29,080 --> 01:31:31,240
Speaker 18: any year in the NFL. You can go to the

1729
01:31:31,240 --> 01:31:33,400
Speaker 18: super Bowl and come back and there's no comfort zone.

1730
01:31:34,080 --> 01:31:38,200
Speaker 18: There shouldn't be a comfort zone in anything that you do.

1731
01:31:39,560 --> 01:31:43,400
Speaker 18: We have our antennas up and we are giving everything

1732
01:31:43,479 --> 01:31:44,080
Speaker 18: we have.

1733
01:31:44,040 --> 01:31:46,080
Speaker 4: To the process.

1734
01:31:46,479 --> 01:31:50,400
Speaker 18: I don't worry about regimes and all that, but I

1735
01:31:50,479 --> 01:31:53,120
Speaker 18: but I can tell you that there is a focus

1736
01:31:53,200 --> 01:31:54,440
Speaker 18: and an urgency.

1737
01:31:55,160 --> 01:31:56,280
Speaker 4: It exists all the time.

1738
01:31:56,320 --> 01:31:58,960
Speaker 18: Though in this league there's never not a focus in

1739
01:31:59,000 --> 01:32:03,519
Speaker 18: an urgency. If you get into this business, you're you're on.

1740
01:32:03,520 --> 01:32:07,719
Speaker 4: High alert all the time. Every day period.

1741
01:32:08,280 --> 01:32:10,240
Speaker 19: When you look at the twelve to one score losses

1742
01:32:10,280 --> 01:32:13,600
Speaker 19: over the last two years you're on the sidelines.

1743
01:32:13,200 --> 01:32:15,240
Speaker 4: It irritates me. It really irritates me.

1744
01:32:15,360 --> 01:32:17,920
Speaker 18: You have to find ways to close games, and that

1745
01:32:18,000 --> 01:32:20,920
Speaker 18: has been our number one problem is when it comes

1746
01:32:20,960 --> 01:32:24,240
Speaker 18: time to close the game, we haven't closed it.

1747
01:32:24,600 --> 01:32:26,479
Speaker 4: And so how do you get over that hump?

1748
01:32:27,040 --> 01:32:29,160
Speaker 18: When we take the field against any team in this

1749
01:32:29,280 --> 01:32:32,280
Speaker 18: league we can win and that team we're playing knows it.

1750
01:32:33,160 --> 01:32:36,720
Speaker 18: We don't go out there and get pummeled. We are

1751
01:32:36,880 --> 01:32:39,840
Speaker 18: in it and a lot of times should win it,

1752
01:32:40,160 --> 01:32:43,200
Speaker 18: and then don't. I think that last game against Cleveland

1753
01:32:43,240 --> 01:32:46,479
Speaker 18: is just a microcosm of what we've had. You know,

1754
01:32:46,800 --> 01:32:50,680
Speaker 18: the defense goes out there and really pitches one of

1755
01:32:50,720 --> 01:32:54,080
Speaker 18: the finest games you could you could have, and instead

1756
01:32:54,120 --> 01:32:57,120
Speaker 18: the offense gives four point fourteen points up and we

1757
01:32:57,200 --> 01:33:01,560
Speaker 18: lose the game. And so there there has to be

1758
01:33:01,600 --> 01:33:04,360
Speaker 18: there has to be some complimentary football in there. But

1759
01:33:04,400 --> 01:33:07,439
Speaker 18: it's very frustrating that we've lost so many close games,

1760
01:33:07,720 --> 01:33:11,320
Speaker 18: incredibly frustrating. Had we just won our share of those,

1761
01:33:11,720 --> 01:33:14,840
Speaker 18: not more than our share, we'd be talking about least

1762
01:33:14,920 --> 01:33:18,479
Speaker 18: having opportunities in the playoffs, which is where we feel

1763
01:33:18,520 --> 01:33:20,960
Speaker 18: we should be. And I know we haven't shown that

1764
01:33:21,080 --> 01:33:23,960
Speaker 18: and I'm not asking anybody else to feel that way,

1765
01:33:24,280 --> 01:33:27,280
Speaker 18: but within this building, we know we should be there.

1766
01:33:27,560 --> 01:33:29,720
Speaker 23: How much you back fall at the feet of the

1767
01:33:29,720 --> 01:33:31,160
Speaker 23: coaching staff and Zack.

1768
01:33:31,560 --> 01:33:34,120
Speaker 18: It falls at all of our feet, falls at my feet,

1769
01:33:34,360 --> 01:33:36,280
Speaker 18: it it falls at our player's feet.

1770
01:33:37,000 --> 01:33:38,960
Speaker 4: You know, we put a lot of work into getting

1771
01:33:39,400 --> 01:33:39,760
Speaker 4: you know.

1772
01:33:39,760 --> 01:33:44,280
Speaker 18: The technique taught, and then the technique isn't implemented on

1773
01:33:44,840 --> 01:33:47,920
Speaker 18: the last player of the Chicago game and you end

1774
01:33:48,040 --> 01:33:49,120
Speaker 18: up where you end up.

1775
01:33:49,479 --> 01:33:53,320
Speaker 4: You know. It's there's a focus in a strain and

1776
01:33:53,360 --> 01:33:58,360
Speaker 4: a finish that we have to instill. Winning is not easy,

1777
01:33:58,400 --> 01:34:00,879
Speaker 4: and we have to get to the point where that focus,

1778
01:34:01,000 --> 01:34:05,799
Speaker 4: strain and finish is in our DNA and our players

1779
01:34:05,840 --> 01:34:09,679
Speaker 4: have to understand that. You know, on this snap, I'm

1780
01:34:09,680 --> 01:34:11,000
Speaker 4: playing the right technique.

1781
01:34:11,840 --> 01:34:14,720
Speaker 18: You know, I'm not doing my own thing, you know,

1782
01:34:14,840 --> 01:34:20,400
Speaker 18: and we've just had a mistake. One of eleven or

1783
01:34:20,600 --> 01:34:25,519
Speaker 18: one or two of eleven have catastrophic results for our

1784
01:34:25,560 --> 01:34:26,479
Speaker 18: win loss record.

1785
01:34:27,280 --> 01:34:28,360
Speaker 4: It's not an excuse.

1786
01:34:28,439 --> 01:34:31,960
Speaker 18: It's the reality of what's happened and can we get better?

1787
01:34:32,040 --> 01:34:33,320
Speaker 4: Yes, do I have a solution?

1788
01:34:33,840 --> 01:34:34,040
Speaker 12: You know?

1789
01:34:34,120 --> 01:34:37,080
Speaker 4: It. It's every part of our team.

1790
01:34:37,280 --> 01:34:37,479
Speaker 10: You know.

1791
01:34:37,800 --> 01:34:40,960
Speaker 18: It happens on special teams from time to time. It

1792
01:34:41,040 --> 01:34:46,680
Speaker 18: happened on offense against Cleveland, It's happened on defense against Chicago.

1793
01:34:48,040 --> 01:34:50,680
Speaker 4: You know. So it's it is it frustrating.

1794
01:34:50,800 --> 01:34:54,080
Speaker 18: That's why I opened with it's frustrating, and it's frustrating

1795
01:34:54,120 --> 01:34:57,080
Speaker 18: for our fans. It's frustrating for us. I hate that

1796
01:34:57,160 --> 01:35:00,439
Speaker 18: it's frustrating for our fans. We have to get over that.

1797
01:35:00,560 --> 01:35:04,240
Speaker 18: Every person in our locker room, on our coaching level,

1798
01:35:04,680 --> 01:35:07,880
Speaker 18: and in our front office has to understand that when

1799
01:35:07,880 --> 01:35:11,439
Speaker 18: it comes time to win a game, you have to believe,

1800
01:35:11,880 --> 01:35:14,720
Speaker 18: and you have to strain and you have to finish.

1801
01:35:14,920 --> 01:35:16,280
Speaker 4: It's been our biggest problem.

1802
01:35:16,360 --> 01:35:20,560
Speaker 18: I appreciate you identifying it, because, yes, it's very irritating.

1803
01:35:23,240 --> 01:35:26,080
Speaker 28: How far is the level of talent on this roster

1804
01:35:26,240 --> 01:35:30,000
Speaker 28: right now, as currently constructed, from being a talent to

1805
01:35:30,080 --> 01:35:31,439
Speaker 28: win a Super Bowl in your.

1806
01:35:31,360 --> 01:35:34,880
Speaker 18: Mind, depends on which side you talk about. I think

1807
01:35:34,920 --> 01:35:38,800
Speaker 18: we have emerging talent on defense. I don't think we're there,

1808
01:35:40,520 --> 01:35:42,880
Speaker 18: but I think we have guys that can grow into

1809
01:35:42,960 --> 01:35:46,960
Speaker 18: being there. On offense, I would put our talent up

1810
01:35:47,000 --> 01:35:48,400
Speaker 18: against any team in the league.

1811
01:35:49,640 --> 01:35:50,599
Speaker 4: And it's better than most.

1812
01:35:51,640 --> 01:35:53,760
Speaker 18: Now it's got to stay healthy and produce and not

1813
01:35:53,880 --> 01:35:58,439
Speaker 18: score nine times for our opponent. But yes, I would

1814
01:35:58,439 --> 01:36:00,639
Speaker 18: put it up against any team in the league.

1815
01:36:01,120 --> 01:36:02,200
Speaker 4: So are we there?

1816
01:36:02,280 --> 01:36:06,400
Speaker 18: Yes, we feel like we're a championship caliber team. We're

1817
01:36:06,400 --> 01:36:08,880
Speaker 18: six and eleven. I'm six and eleven. How could you

1818
01:36:08,920 --> 01:36:10,160
Speaker 18: feel that way? You're an idiot?

1819
01:36:10,200 --> 01:36:13,080
Speaker 4: Well that's the way I feel so last year.

1820
01:36:13,080 --> 01:36:16,840
Speaker 32: Like you met a number of contentious negotiations in recent

1821
01:36:16,920 --> 01:36:19,919
Speaker 32: years that have gone on and brought drama and inflation

1822
01:36:20,040 --> 01:36:21,000
Speaker 32: to some of the prices.

1823
01:36:21,080 --> 01:36:22,559
Speaker 2: Do you guys feel, especially with this.

1824
01:36:22,600 --> 01:36:25,439
Speaker 33: Twenty three class you have coming anywhere, I need to

1825
01:36:25,479 --> 01:36:29,160
Speaker 33: be a little bit more aggressively proactive and trying to

1826
01:36:29,160 --> 01:36:32,760
Speaker 33: get extension done early to avoid some of the pitfalls

1827
01:36:32,760 --> 01:36:35,400
Speaker 33: of the drama that's gone on over years.

1828
01:36:35,520 --> 01:36:42,120
Speaker 18: Yeah, you'd like to get deals done early if we

1829
01:36:42,200 --> 01:36:43,960
Speaker 18: can fit them and they work.

1830
01:36:44,080 --> 01:36:47,040
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1831
01:36:46,960 --> 01:36:48,840
Speaker 3: Why has it to be done?

1832
01:36:49,280 --> 01:36:52,120
Speaker 18: Oh, you've done it from time to time with players.

1833
01:36:52,160 --> 01:36:54,400
Speaker 18: I don't know that it's not been able to be done.

1834
01:36:54,760 --> 01:36:58,880
Speaker 18: You're referencing Tea and Jamar, you know, I guess it

1835
01:36:58,960 --> 01:37:03,200
Speaker 18: wasn't done with a t Well, Trey wasn't a young guy.

1836
01:37:03,240 --> 01:37:07,160
Speaker 18: And we've done multiple deals with Trey and that one

1837
01:37:07,560 --> 01:37:11,320
Speaker 18: that one has was contentious, but there's a lot of

1838
01:37:11,320 --> 01:37:14,800
Speaker 18: contentious deals. We're not on an island by ourself and

1839
01:37:15,000 --> 01:37:16,040
Speaker 18: in that kind of stuff.

1840
01:37:16,080 --> 01:37:17,719
Speaker 4: That's just kind of the way of the world.

1841
01:37:17,800 --> 01:37:21,120
Speaker 18: And we have to place a value on a player

1842
01:37:21,479 --> 01:37:24,360
Speaker 18: and they're going to place their own value on themselves,

1843
01:37:24,439 --> 01:37:26,439
Speaker 18: and we've got to come to something that makes sense

1844
01:37:26,479 --> 01:37:30,880
Speaker 18: for both. You know, when I negotiate with a player

1845
01:37:31,280 --> 01:37:34,920
Speaker 18: or an agent, I'm not negotiating against that player or

1846
01:37:34,960 --> 01:37:38,080
Speaker 18: that agent. I'm negotiating on behalf of the rest of

1847
01:37:38,120 --> 01:37:43,639
Speaker 18: our football team. I'm negotiating on behalf of the city

1848
01:37:43,640 --> 01:37:44,360
Speaker 18: of Cincinnati.

1849
01:37:44,360 --> 01:37:47,320
Speaker 4: Who wants the best football team they could have. That's

1850
01:37:47,360 --> 01:37:50,200
Speaker 4: what I'm not saying. You know, you.

1851
01:37:50,120 --> 01:37:55,080
Speaker 18: Deserve less, And it's an isolated in a cocoon thing.

1852
01:37:55,320 --> 01:37:58,120
Speaker 18: It's I'm trying to preserve as much as I can

1853
01:37:58,240 --> 01:38:02,120
Speaker 18: to do other things on our football team that will

1854
01:38:02,120 --> 01:38:03,280
Speaker 18: benefit all of us.

1855
01:38:03,520 --> 01:38:08,800
Speaker 4: And so that's that's how those things become.

1856
01:38:08,560 --> 01:38:11,880
Speaker 18: That way in those negotiations.

1857
01:38:11,920 --> 01:38:13,320
Speaker 20: I mean, who wants the lead on that?

1858
01:38:13,400 --> 01:38:13,560
Speaker 6: Is that?

1859
01:38:13,760 --> 01:38:14,040
Speaker 4: Katie?

1860
01:38:14,080 --> 01:38:16,439
Speaker 20: That's always to change my person.

1861
01:38:16,600 --> 01:38:19,680
Speaker 18: It depends, it depends on the player we we we

1862
01:38:19,800 --> 01:38:24,200
Speaker 18: have different different folks. Some of our personnel people who

1863
01:38:24,200 --> 01:38:28,920
Speaker 18: are excellent, as I've mentioned they they will run point

1864
01:38:28,960 --> 01:38:32,519
Speaker 18: on some of that. Everything is a collaborative effort though.

1865
01:38:32,560 --> 01:38:36,880
Speaker 18: We meet on it, uh and get updates on on

1866
01:38:37,439 --> 01:38:40,439
Speaker 18: where the negotiation is and and where we should go

1867
01:38:40,600 --> 01:38:43,400
Speaker 18: with it and what we can put into that and

1868
01:38:43,479 --> 01:38:45,679
Speaker 18: still do the other things that we want to do.

1869
01:38:47,000 --> 01:38:53,800
Speaker 5: Of coaching, pictures interviewing today, Cleveland, what do you think

1870
01:38:53,880 --> 01:38:57,559
Speaker 5: makes someone attract a candidate? And then do you envision

1871
01:38:57,720 --> 01:39:00,720
Speaker 5: any changes with the step coming off?

1872
01:39:01,520 --> 01:39:05,599
Speaker 18: Well, Pitch is tll He's been around here a long

1873
01:39:05,640 --> 01:39:07,479
Speaker 18: time and he's earned his way up to where he

1874
01:39:07,640 --> 01:39:12,160
Speaker 18: is for a reason. Everybody that meets Pitch understands immediately

1875
01:39:12,280 --> 01:39:15,760
Speaker 18: that he's organized and uh and intelligent.

1876
01:39:16,600 --> 01:39:17,040
Speaker 4: Uh.

1877
01:39:17,080 --> 01:39:22,960
Speaker 18: He communicates incredibly effective, he has a vision for for

1878
01:39:23,000 --> 01:39:25,920
Speaker 18: what he wants, and he's really valuable and made himself

1879
01:39:25,960 --> 01:39:31,120
Speaker 18: really valuable over time here. So if we lose guys,

1880
01:39:31,160 --> 01:39:33,839
Speaker 18: will have to we'll have to backfill and make changes.

1881
01:39:35,160 --> 01:39:38,360
Speaker 18: But uh, as we sit here right now, if we don't,

1882
01:39:38,439 --> 01:39:40,240
Speaker 18: we'll we'll stay with the guys that we have.

1883
01:39:40,720 --> 01:39:44,479
Speaker 34: I just want to you, we have talked, you have

1884
01:39:45,360 --> 01:39:50,720
Speaker 34: what was Uh you know that. And uh was there

1885
01:39:50,760 --> 01:39:52,759
Speaker 34: any you know, trading vision.

1886
01:39:52,880 --> 01:39:55,360
Speaker 20: He had never traded Cleveland with any kind of.

1887
01:39:56,040 --> 01:39:58,800
Speaker 4: I don't know that that. You know, we're we're at

1888
01:39:58,800 --> 01:39:59,639
Speaker 4: a point where we.

1889
01:39:59,520 --> 01:40:02,840
Speaker 18: Were looking at all options for our football team. So

1890
01:40:03,680 --> 01:40:06,800
Speaker 18: you you go through every team, you put a list

1891
01:40:06,800 --> 01:40:11,000
Speaker 18: together of possible options. Guys, you know they are there

1892
01:40:11,000 --> 01:40:15,240
Speaker 18: are unrealistic options, and then you look at the realistic ones.

1893
01:40:15,840 --> 01:40:18,640
Speaker 18: You make the phone calls, you have the conversations, you

1894
01:40:18,680 --> 01:40:23,200
Speaker 18: see what is possible, and uh and when you get

1895
01:40:23,360 --> 01:40:27,719
Speaker 18: what's possible, you take action. And and that one became

1896
01:40:27,800 --> 01:40:31,559
Speaker 18: pop possible for us, and uh we had buy in

1897
01:40:31,760 --> 01:40:37,240
Speaker 18: from everybody within our building. Uh to go forward with it.

1898
01:40:37,240 --> 01:40:39,400
Speaker 18: It was and it was a good decision. It was

1899
01:40:40,320 --> 01:40:42,960
Speaker 18: it was something that worked out for us. If for

1900
01:40:43,040 --> 01:40:46,799
Speaker 18: no other reason, just to be around Joe Flacco is cool.

1901
01:40:47,160 --> 01:40:51,200
Speaker 18: I mean, it was really cool watching him operate and work.

1902
01:40:51,720 --> 01:40:56,680
Speaker 18: I Uh, I have an amazing appreciation and understanding for

1903
01:40:56,760 --> 01:40:58,760
Speaker 18: why a guy can play as long as a guy

1904
01:40:58,800 --> 01:40:59,240
Speaker 18: can play.

1905
01:40:59,360 --> 01:41:01,360
Speaker 4: If you're Joe Black, it's easy.

1906
01:41:01,479 --> 01:41:03,439
Speaker 25: You referens a lot of coaching points in terms of

1907
01:41:03,479 --> 01:41:06,519
Speaker 25: finishing games, technique, stuff like that. How do you feel

1908
01:41:06,680 --> 01:41:08,799
Speaker 25: Zach is at getting all of that across.

1909
01:41:09,400 --> 01:41:10,479
Speaker 4: I watch it every day.

1910
01:41:10,720 --> 01:41:14,000
Speaker 18: I watch our coaching staff teach those and we can

1911
01:41:14,040 --> 01:41:17,439
Speaker 18: go ninety five percent of the game playing the right

1912
01:41:17,520 --> 01:41:21,240
Speaker 18: technique and assignment. It's just at the critical moments we

1913
01:41:21,360 --> 01:41:23,400
Speaker 18: have these breakdowns and we've got to get.

1914
01:41:23,240 --> 01:41:26,360
Speaker 4: That out of our DNA. And everybody in the building

1915
01:41:26,400 --> 01:41:27,519
Speaker 4: is keenly aware of that.

1916
01:41:28,240 --> 01:41:30,280
Speaker 25: Relationship with you and Zach been like as he's been

1917
01:41:30,280 --> 01:41:31,280
Speaker 25: here now for seven years.

1918
01:41:31,520 --> 01:41:33,840
Speaker 18: We have a great relationship. We're on the same page.

1919
01:41:33,880 --> 01:41:37,080
Speaker 18: I've got nothing but high regard for Zach. Very few

1920
01:41:37,080 --> 01:41:40,200
Speaker 18: people in the world could have done what he did

1921
01:41:40,320 --> 01:41:44,600
Speaker 18: to revamp our offense with a quarterback that walked in

1922
01:41:44,720 --> 01:41:53,000
Speaker 18: two days. Zach Is is highly intelligent. He wants input,

1923
01:41:53,400 --> 01:42:01,439
Speaker 18: he wants collaboration, he has great ideas. I've been from

1924
01:42:01,479 --> 01:42:05,160
Speaker 18: the first time I I met him out in l A.

1925
01:42:05,280 --> 01:42:09,080
Speaker 18: UH been highly highly impressed with him, and I remain

1926
01:42:09,160 --> 01:42:09,880
Speaker 18: that way today.

1927
01:42:10,000 --> 01:42:10,799
Speaker 4: He's UH.

1928
01:42:11,200 --> 01:42:13,920
Speaker 18: I think we're we're fortunate to have him and I

1929
01:42:13,960 --> 01:42:17,519
Speaker 18: look forward to to him bouncing back this. This hurts

1930
01:42:17,520 --> 01:42:20,120
Speaker 18: his soul just like it hurts my soul. This is

1931
01:42:20,280 --> 01:42:24,479
Speaker 18: not what we are about. And UH, and he's on

1932
01:42:24,760 --> 01:42:26,080
Speaker 18: lockstep with me on that.

1933
01:42:26,439 --> 01:42:27,200
Speaker 20: So how does it work?

1934
01:42:28,040 --> 01:42:30,680
Speaker 19: I really love this prospector, I really love this this

1935
01:42:30,800 --> 01:42:33,960
Speaker 19: free agent. The collaboration element of it with with you

1936
01:42:34,040 --> 01:42:35,719
Speaker 19: and him specifically.

1937
01:42:35,880 --> 01:42:36,679
Speaker 4: How does it work?

1938
01:42:36,960 --> 01:42:37,599
Speaker 2: How does Yeah?

1939
01:42:38,280 --> 01:42:40,519
Speaker 4: I don't know, kind of like the conversation I guess

1940
01:42:40,560 --> 01:42:41,559
Speaker 4: we're having right now.

1941
01:42:42,000 --> 01:42:44,720
Speaker 18: We just talked it through, and uh, you know, what

1942
01:42:44,760 --> 01:42:46,760
Speaker 18: are the elements that you see in this guy? And

1943
01:42:46,920 --> 01:42:50,240
Speaker 18: how will how will he be used here? And you know,

1944
01:42:50,280 --> 01:42:53,479
Speaker 18: here's the here's the things that I don't think he

1945
01:42:53,600 --> 01:42:54,080
Speaker 18: can do?

1946
01:42:54,520 --> 01:42:54,720
Speaker 6: Uh?

1947
01:42:54,920 --> 01:42:59,000
Speaker 4: Can you get by without that? You know, here's the

1948
01:42:59,080 --> 01:42:59,920
Speaker 4: examples of it.

1949
01:43:00,320 --> 01:43:04,800
Speaker 18: You know, we watch tape as a group and and

1950
01:43:05,439 --> 01:43:09,280
Speaker 18: you know, there's a lot of ways to work the

1951
01:43:09,360 --> 01:43:13,479
Speaker 18: collaboration that brings people on board that might not be

1952
01:43:13,640 --> 01:43:14,160
Speaker 18: on board.

1953
01:43:15,760 --> 01:43:16,000
Speaker 14: Ago.

1954
01:43:17,800 --> 01:43:20,400
Speaker 24: You understand that the fans are frush, right, you're frustrated.

1955
01:43:20,960 --> 01:43:21,760
Speaker 20: Do you believe it?

1956
01:43:22,080 --> 01:43:22,840
Speaker 2: And have you seen it?

1957
01:43:23,280 --> 01:43:24,320
Speaker 20: You give us an example?

1958
01:43:24,680 --> 01:43:28,240
Speaker 24: Does the family understand how frustrated? In fact, I would

1959
01:43:28,240 --> 01:43:31,360
Speaker 24: say tearing on disheartened that this fan base is.

1960
01:43:31,400 --> 01:43:31,960
Speaker 20: At this point.

1961
01:43:32,320 --> 01:43:35,160
Speaker 18: Well, there's nobody in this building that doesn't understand that

1962
01:43:35,920 --> 01:43:36,599
Speaker 18: we feel it.

1963
01:43:36,680 --> 01:43:38,880
Speaker 4: I mean, we're the same way.

1964
01:43:39,200 --> 01:43:43,880
Speaker 18: We're disheartened, but we're disheartened for them being disheartened as well.

1965
01:43:44,360 --> 01:43:47,080
Speaker 4: We you know, we want to make the city proud.

1966
01:43:47,240 --> 01:43:50,479
Speaker 4: That's that's what we want to do. We have the

1967
01:43:50,479 --> 01:43:51,360
Speaker 4: greatest fans.

1968
01:43:51,600 --> 01:43:55,880
Speaker 18: I mean, they are passionate, They understand football, they really do.

1969
01:43:56,880 --> 01:43:57,759
Speaker 4: You know, I get.

1970
01:43:58,760 --> 01:44:03,760
Speaker 18: Calls, emails, sometimes text I didn't know how that got out,

1971
01:44:03,800 --> 01:44:07,439
Speaker 18: but a lot of thoughts and ideas on how I

1972
01:44:07,520 --> 01:44:11,160
Speaker 18: can improve and sometimes those are appreciated. But it gives

1973
01:44:11,160 --> 01:44:16,040
Speaker 18: me an appreciation for the fans level of knowledge and

1974
01:44:17,240 --> 01:44:20,599
Speaker 18: level of thought and buy in for what we do.

1975
01:44:20,720 --> 01:44:23,800
Speaker 18: That's important. Not every city has that, and I'm not

1976
01:44:23,840 --> 01:44:25,920
Speaker 18: going to name them to call them out, but there's

1977
01:44:26,200 --> 01:44:32,800
Speaker 18: not every city has that community based, fan driven experience

1978
01:44:33,000 --> 01:44:36,599
Speaker 18: like we have. It's a very special thing and our

1979
01:44:36,640 --> 01:44:38,240
Speaker 18: fans are very special to us.

1980
01:44:38,680 --> 01:44:40,840
Speaker 2: Last year there were a lot of resignings.

1981
01:44:41,040 --> 01:44:43,519
Speaker 17: Then you've talked a few minutes ago about the emerging

1982
01:44:43,600 --> 01:44:47,000
Speaker 17: talent on defense going into this free agency. You know,

1983
01:44:47,040 --> 01:44:49,320
Speaker 17: will you be looking to bring back some of those

1984
01:44:49,400 --> 01:44:51,559
Speaker 17: defensive players that are free agency or is it kind

1985
01:44:51,560 --> 01:44:53,120
Speaker 17: of a moving in a new direction trying to find

1986
01:44:53,160 --> 01:44:54,200
Speaker 17: outside players to come in.

1987
01:44:54,360 --> 01:44:57,880
Speaker 18: Yeah, you know we're going to weigh all options. I'm

1988
01:44:57,920 --> 01:45:01,040
Speaker 18: not prepared. Even if I were was willing to share

1989
01:45:01,080 --> 01:45:02,200
Speaker 18: exactly what we were.

1990
01:45:02,080 --> 01:45:02,519
Speaker 4: Going to do.

1991
01:45:02,800 --> 01:45:05,240
Speaker 18: I don't know at this point what we're going to do.

1992
01:45:05,320 --> 01:45:11,960
Speaker 18: We're still working through all those options. But it'll be

1993
01:45:12,000 --> 01:45:15,920
Speaker 18: important for us to make the right decisions. It'll be

1994
01:45:16,080 --> 01:45:18,600
Speaker 18: very important for us to make the right decisions to

1995
01:45:18,680 --> 01:45:24,360
Speaker 18: improve our football team, particularly improve our defense. Our defensive

1996
01:45:24,400 --> 01:45:30,160
Speaker 18: staff is really impressive because they know how so we

1997
01:45:30,200 --> 01:45:32,880
Speaker 18: don't have this on how do we adjust? So we

1998
01:45:32,920 --> 01:45:35,439
Speaker 18: don't have this? How do we adjust so we don't

1999
01:45:35,439 --> 01:45:37,400
Speaker 18: have this? How do we adjust? And you saw that

2000
01:45:37,479 --> 01:45:41,560
Speaker 18: as we went through the season, their ability to adjust

2001
01:45:42,640 --> 01:45:45,200
Speaker 18: when you don't have everything you need and every team

2002
01:45:45,280 --> 01:45:47,479
Speaker 18: does this, but you have to have guys that are

2003
01:45:47,600 --> 01:45:50,599
Speaker 18: able to do that and then start to write the ship.

2004
01:45:50,840 --> 01:45:53,479
Speaker 18: Believe me, if I didn't see us writing the ship,

2005
01:45:54,120 --> 01:45:57,519
Speaker 18: if I didn't see players evolving within what we do

2006
01:45:57,760 --> 01:46:03,439
Speaker 18: and playing faster and feeling an energy about them and

2007
01:46:03,520 --> 01:46:06,920
Speaker 18: a desire. Even though you're last in the league, there's

2008
01:46:06,960 --> 01:46:10,639
Speaker 18: still an energy and a camaraderie about what you're doing

2009
01:46:10,800 --> 01:46:13,720
Speaker 18: in the locker room, on the practice field the night

2010
01:46:13,760 --> 01:46:18,080
Speaker 18: before games, there was a positivity and a growth that

2011
01:46:18,240 --> 01:46:21,920
Speaker 18: happened in the midst of what could have been a

2012
01:46:22,040 --> 01:46:26,360
Speaker 18: nightmare scenario where everybody's pointing the finger at everybody else

2013
01:46:26,600 --> 01:46:30,760
Speaker 18: and you go the other direction. When you're that way,

2014
01:46:30,920 --> 01:46:34,400
Speaker 18: you're going one of two directions. We went the right direction,

2015
01:46:34,600 --> 01:46:39,000
Speaker 18: and that's a direct reflection on Al's coaching and his positivity,

2016
01:46:39,120 --> 01:46:42,840
Speaker 18: and that's what gives me hope that we'll get this

2017
01:46:43,160 --> 01:46:46,400
Speaker 18: thing figured out. We need an increase in talent on

2018
01:46:46,479 --> 01:46:48,640
Speaker 18: that side of the ball, and there's no question about it.

2019
01:46:48,760 --> 01:46:51,080
Speaker 18: We'll take a look and see how much we can

2020
01:46:51,120 --> 01:46:51,759
Speaker 18: get done.

2021
01:46:52,479 --> 01:46:56,679
Speaker 22: Of the success of the Flaco trade. And you also

2022
01:46:56,720 --> 01:47:00,759
Speaker 22: thought we're talking about the close losses that maybe precedent

2023
01:47:00,880 --> 01:47:05,599
Speaker 22: for being more aggressive in season trades moving forward.

2024
01:47:06,439 --> 01:47:08,320
Speaker 18: I don't know that we've ever been opposed to them.

2025
01:47:08,680 --> 01:47:11,000
Speaker 18: They just got to be right, and they're and they're

2026
01:47:11,120 --> 01:47:13,679
Speaker 18: they're rare when you start counting them up. The ones

2027
01:47:13,680 --> 01:47:16,880
Speaker 18: that really matter are even rarer. A lot of times

2028
01:47:16,920 --> 01:47:20,840
Speaker 18: they're they're this nickel for that nickel, and and nothing

2029
01:47:20,880 --> 01:47:24,559
Speaker 18: comes of it for really either team. We're not so

2030
01:47:24,600 --> 01:47:27,439
Speaker 18: interested in doing that type of stuff as much as

2031
01:47:28,080 --> 01:47:30,880
Speaker 18: when there is a need and an opportunity or an

2032
01:47:30,920 --> 01:47:33,960
Speaker 18: opportunity even though there's not a need. Those are things

2033
01:47:33,960 --> 01:47:36,240
Speaker 18: that we will we'll look at. We look at it

2034
01:47:36,280 --> 01:47:40,120
Speaker 18: in the draft, We look at it at the trade deadline,

2035
01:47:40,160 --> 01:47:42,120
Speaker 18: We will look at it at the off season. You know,

2036
01:47:42,120 --> 01:47:44,559
Speaker 18: we're gonna look at every option to add to our

2037
01:47:44,600 --> 01:47:48,040
Speaker 18: football team. And sure, you know, when things work out,

2038
01:47:48,160 --> 01:47:51,280
Speaker 18: maybe it gives you a little more belief that the

2039
01:47:51,320 --> 01:47:52,040
Speaker 18: next one will.

2040
01:47:52,160 --> 01:47:56,320
Speaker 23: What priority is there we've gone bringing back t J.

2041
01:47:56,880 --> 01:47:59,840
Speaker 23: Turner and Dax Hill or at least extending.

2042
01:47:59,479 --> 01:48:00,000
Speaker 12: At this point.

2043
01:48:00,760 --> 01:48:02,360
Speaker 18: Yeah, I think both of them would be guys that

2044
01:48:02,400 --> 01:48:05,280
Speaker 18: we would What they showed this year is that that

2045
01:48:06,680 --> 01:48:08,879
Speaker 18: they're pretty high level cover corners.

2046
01:48:09,200 --> 01:48:09,320
Speaker 7: Uh.

2047
01:48:09,560 --> 01:48:12,920
Speaker 4: They they have they have the skill set that we

2048
01:48:12,960 --> 01:48:13,679
Speaker 4: thought they had.

2049
01:48:14,320 --> 01:48:17,320
Speaker 18: Uh, they've developed the way that we thought they would develop.

2050
01:48:17,640 --> 01:48:21,000
Speaker 18: And I was impressed with DA's coming off of his

2051
01:48:21,080 --> 01:48:24,240
Speaker 18: knee injury. And you could just see the confidence grows

2052
01:48:24,400 --> 01:48:27,360
Speaker 18: as the longer that that got Pat, you know, in

2053
01:48:27,479 --> 01:48:29,280
Speaker 18: his past and and.

2054
01:48:31,600 --> 01:48:33,960
Speaker 4: Really proud of the way DJ, you know.

2055
01:48:34,840 --> 01:48:37,559
Speaker 18: Grew both as a leader and as a and as

2056
01:48:37,600 --> 01:48:41,320
Speaker 18: a player. Those guys were fortunate to have them, and

2057
01:48:41,400 --> 01:48:43,320
Speaker 18: you know, those are guys to build around.

2058
01:48:45,720 --> 01:48:46,920
Speaker 4: You said the accurator.

2059
01:48:49,479 --> 01:48:54,519
Speaker 18: Yeah, you know, in terms of homegrown talent, absolutely, you know,

2060
01:48:54,600 --> 01:48:59,000
Speaker 18: those are those are guys that that should be feeling

2061
01:48:59,160 --> 01:49:02,320
Speaker 18: like they're leaders and cornerstones.

2062
01:49:03,640 --> 01:49:04,679
Speaker 4: We need more stones.

2063
01:49:04,920 --> 01:49:08,240
Speaker 25: Joe Burrow was pretty adamant about He praised the personnelity,

2064
01:49:08,920 --> 01:49:10,519
Speaker 25: things of that nature, but he said something's got to

2065
01:49:10,560 --> 01:49:12,639
Speaker 25: change for us to get back from the playoffs team

2066
01:49:12,720 --> 01:49:16,440
Speaker 25: in your minds, what needs to change our record?

2067
01:49:16,680 --> 01:49:19,599
Speaker 4: You know, and not to be you know, our record.

2068
01:49:19,920 --> 01:49:22,240
Speaker 18: We need to win games that we should win instead

2069
01:49:22,280 --> 01:49:24,760
Speaker 18: of finding ways to lose games that we should win.

2070
01:49:26,920 --> 01:49:28,519
Speaker 4: But we change every off season.

2071
01:49:28,560 --> 01:49:32,320
Speaker 18: There'll be new faces, there'll be new players, there'll be

2072
01:49:32,400 --> 01:49:36,719
Speaker 18: new schematics. Our coaches will spend the whole off season

2073
01:49:37,520 --> 01:49:40,080
Speaker 18: dialing into what went right, what went wrong?

2074
01:49:40,400 --> 01:49:43,599
Speaker 4: What can we build on? How can we change in

2075
01:49:43,680 --> 01:49:44,280
Speaker 4: what we do?

2076
01:49:45,520 --> 01:49:49,479
Speaker 18: Our personnel staff will spend the entire offseason on what

2077
01:49:49,520 --> 01:49:53,000
Speaker 18: went right, what went wrong? What can we change in

2078
01:49:53,120 --> 01:49:56,760
Speaker 18: who we have? So we're working on the who, they'll

2079
01:49:56,760 --> 01:49:58,680
Speaker 18: work on the what. The players need to work on

2080
01:49:58,720 --> 01:50:02,599
Speaker 18: the how. That's the technique in the assignments and that's

2081
01:50:02,640 --> 01:50:04,840
Speaker 18: why it's the who, the what, and the how.

2082
01:50:05,200 --> 01:50:06,839
Speaker 4: All of that needs to improve.

2083
01:50:07,439 --> 01:50:10,840
Speaker 18: All three phases need to improve, and so they'll be

2084
01:50:10,960 --> 01:50:14,360
Speaker 18: changes through that process. They'll be changes in the who

2085
01:50:14,840 --> 01:50:17,760
Speaker 18: what we're doing and how we're getting it accomplished.

2086
01:50:17,800 --> 01:50:19,920
Speaker 25: But operationally, you still feel like the way he's also

2087
01:50:20,000 --> 01:50:23,080
Speaker 25: done things still is a good blueprint for how to

2088
01:50:23,080 --> 01:50:23,679
Speaker 25: be successful.

2089
01:50:23,760 --> 01:50:27,760
Speaker 18: Yet which specific way. I mean, the operation is pretty big.

2090
01:50:27,800 --> 01:50:31,240
Speaker 18: We've got a lot of things going on. But you know, yeah,

2091
01:50:31,320 --> 01:50:34,640
Speaker 18: we're we always are open to changes in our processes.

2092
01:50:35,680 --> 01:50:41,120
Speaker 18: Our meeting cadence always changes every off season. Our focus

2093
01:50:41,200 --> 01:50:45,200
Speaker 18: for what our football team needs always changes every off season.

2094
01:50:46,520 --> 01:50:50,080
Speaker 18: How we're going to go about collecting what we need changes.

2095
01:50:50,439 --> 01:50:54,720
Speaker 18: So you know, we're we're a pretty pretty flexible organization

2096
01:50:54,960 --> 01:50:58,599
Speaker 18: and how we do things and really who's doing it too.

2097
01:50:59,560 --> 01:51:02,360
Speaker 19: Years you look back or find yourself looking back and

2098
01:51:02,400 --> 01:51:07,000
Speaker 19: saying thank you, Supt. Jesse DJ would would look nice

2099
01:51:07,040 --> 01:51:08,439
Speaker 19: out there right now or anything like that.

2100
01:51:08,800 --> 01:51:12,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, well the reality of our league is that you

2101
01:51:12,080 --> 01:51:13,280
Speaker 4: can't keep everybody.

2102
01:51:13,560 --> 01:51:18,320
Speaker 18: You know, we had We got DJ from somebody, Do

2103
01:51:18,360 --> 01:51:20,400
Speaker 18: you think they still would like to have them? We

2104
01:51:20,520 --> 01:51:22,800
Speaker 18: got Tray from somebody? Do you think they would still

2105
01:51:22,880 --> 01:51:25,320
Speaker 18: like to have We got good players from other Every

2106
01:51:25,400 --> 01:51:28,519
Speaker 18: team gets good players from other teams. You can't dwell

2107
01:51:28,520 --> 01:51:31,519
Speaker 18: on that, nor can you ever keep every good player

2108
01:51:31,600 --> 01:51:32,240
Speaker 18: that you have.

2109
01:51:32,560 --> 01:51:34,880
Speaker 4: That's just not the nature of this league.

2110
01:51:35,920 --> 01:51:39,080
Speaker 18: This league is built around free agency, and free agency

2111
01:51:39,160 --> 01:51:43,120
Speaker 18: is a real thing. And uh, and it's just a

2112
01:51:44,280 --> 01:51:47,920
Speaker 18: dynamic that maybe I wouldn't have designed, but it's what

2113
01:51:47,960 --> 01:51:52,000
Speaker 18: I work in. It's uh, it's it's what you know.

2114
01:51:52,080 --> 01:51:54,000
Speaker 18: I got to swim in the waters that I'm in.

2115
01:51:54,160 --> 01:51:56,880
Speaker 18: I I can't swim in other waters. I wouldn't design

2116
01:51:57,000 --> 01:51:59,680
Speaker 18: what's going on in college football, but that's what they

2117
01:51:59,720 --> 01:52:01,280
Speaker 18: work in, and that's what we have.

2118
01:52:01,320 --> 01:52:02,080
Speaker 4: To adapt to.

2119
01:52:02,680 --> 01:52:06,439
Speaker 18: And so we adapt to the environment we're in. And uh, yes,

2120
01:52:06,560 --> 01:52:11,000
Speaker 18: I don't like seeing good players leave. That doesn't help us.

2121
01:52:11,560 --> 01:52:14,600
Speaker 18: But the reality is you can't keep everybody. It's just

2122
01:52:14,640 --> 01:52:15,439
Speaker 18: the way that it is.

2123
01:52:15,720 --> 01:52:16,839
Speaker 4: But when you can keep.

2124
01:52:16,680 --> 01:52:21,000
Speaker 18: Tea and you can keep Jamar, and you can keep Joe,

2125
01:52:21,960 --> 01:52:26,000
Speaker 18: and you know, we have you know the rest of

2126
01:52:26,160 --> 01:52:32,840
Speaker 18: you know, uh, maybe maybe Chase Brown who's emerged, maybe

2127
01:52:32,880 --> 01:52:36,240
Speaker 18: he's a guy we could keep, or DJ or Dax

2128
01:52:36,439 --> 01:52:40,280
Speaker 18: or Jordan Battle and well, all these things, can you

2129
01:52:40,360 --> 01:52:40,960
Speaker 18: keep them all?

2130
01:52:41,360 --> 01:52:46,320
Speaker 4: I hope that's the goal. That's the goal. But the

2131
01:52:46,360 --> 01:52:48,519
Speaker 4: reality we live in is a little different than that

2132
01:52:50,640 --> 01:52:51,479
Speaker 4: shaping up strength.

2133
01:52:51,760 --> 01:52:52,160
Speaker 10: This is.

2134
01:52:55,000 --> 01:52:57,639
Speaker 18: We're just diving into it. The juniors haven't even all

2135
01:52:57,680 --> 01:53:03,800
Speaker 18: fully declared yet. The way college football is now the

2136
01:53:03,880 --> 01:53:05,639
Speaker 18: universes is hard to pin down.

2137
01:53:07,080 --> 01:53:11,439
Speaker 4: You have your seniors, your juniors. You have six year guys.

2138
01:53:11,920 --> 01:53:13,800
Speaker 18: We have a lot of twenty four and twenty four

2139
01:53:13,960 --> 01:53:16,400
Speaker 18: five year old guys, and then you have the guys

2140
01:53:16,439 --> 01:53:20,000
Speaker 18: that declare late. I think there's still a game tonight

2141
01:53:20,120 --> 01:53:23,360
Speaker 18: and a game next weekend, and so those players have

2142
01:53:23,439 --> 01:53:28,200
Speaker 18: their own declaration dates where they'll say they're coming in.

2143
01:53:28,280 --> 01:53:31,320
Speaker 18: So until all the juniors really declare what they're going

2144
01:53:31,400 --> 01:53:32,920
Speaker 18: to do. Are they going to go back, are they

2145
01:53:32,920 --> 01:53:34,799
Speaker 18: going to transfer? Are they going to be in the draft,

2146
01:53:35,240 --> 01:53:40,000
Speaker 18: it's hard to really understand the full universe defense.

2147
01:53:40,400 --> 01:53:45,240
Speaker 22: What's the number of new or potential news starters that

2148
01:53:45,320 --> 01:53:48,120
Speaker 22: you want to have on defense coming out from the outside,

2149
01:53:48,160 --> 01:53:49,960
Speaker 22: from outside free agency or the draft.

2150
01:53:50,360 --> 01:53:56,759
Speaker 18: Yeah, I don't know that I can give an exact

2151
01:53:56,880 --> 01:53:59,519
Speaker 18: number without giving away any plans.

2152
01:54:00,120 --> 01:54:02,240
Speaker 4: We hope to develop some starters from within.

2153
01:54:02,720 --> 01:54:06,840
Speaker 18: Uh you know that I'm not eliminating anybody that's on

2154
01:54:06,960 --> 01:54:11,519
Speaker 18: our current team in developing because that happens, and uh,

2155
01:54:11,680 --> 01:54:13,719
Speaker 18: you know, I'm very hopeful that.

2156
01:54:13,640 --> 01:54:15,000
Speaker 4: It that it happens.

2157
01:54:15,760 --> 01:54:17,400
Speaker 18: But we have a number of we have a number

2158
01:54:17,400 --> 01:54:19,880
Speaker 18: of positions that are going to be up. We're going

2159
01:54:19,920 --> 01:54:23,120
Speaker 18: to increase the competition on this team, you know, in

2160
01:54:23,280 --> 01:54:26,080
Speaker 18: every way we can. And we're going to bring in

2161
01:54:26,160 --> 01:54:30,160
Speaker 18: guys and and guys from within this team. You know,

2162
01:54:30,600 --> 01:54:33,440
Speaker 18: it might even be practice squad players you know that

2163
01:54:33,520 --> 01:54:36,080
Speaker 18: are re signed now. But we're going to increase the

2164
01:54:36,120 --> 01:54:38,760
Speaker 18: competition on this team because we have.

2165
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Speaker 35: To this specific This specific news conference at the end

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Speaker 35: of the season for you, has not been a typical

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Speaker 35: thing in the past. But you came out here with

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Speaker 35: a note, had gone almost an hour.

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Speaker 4: Now an hour not quite.

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Speaker 28: Why did you feel it was important to sit in

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Speaker 28: here and address us and the fans in this way?

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Speaker 18: It was important for me to talk to the fans.

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01:55:02,840 --> 01:55:06,760
Speaker 18: I recognize it was important for you guys to get

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Speaker 18: the opportunity. Normally I do this in mobile and some

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Speaker 18: of you show up and some of you don't, And

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Speaker 18: and I guess I've come around. I can change and

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Speaker 18: if this is something that you guys feel is important,

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Speaker 18: I'm happy to.

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Speaker 31: Do that.

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Speaker 4: It's during the season.

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Speaker 18: You know, Zach is our voice and Zach is somebody

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Speaker 18: that speaks for us.

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Speaker 4: We communicate all.

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Speaker 18: The time with him, and he understands everything that's going on,

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Speaker 18: and he is the voice of our team. And during

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Speaker 18: the season, it's it's about the players and it's about

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Speaker 18: the coaching staff, and that's what it's about. And so

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Speaker 18: he is the guy that you'll hear from during the

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Speaker 18: season period. Some organizations run that way, some do it differently,

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Speaker 18: but we believe in his message and uh and his

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Speaker 18: message is our message during the season.

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Speaker 4: You're consuming that Trey is not back.

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Speaker 28: How imperative is it to try to add an a

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Speaker 28: lead pass rush.

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Speaker 18: Yeah, I'm for past rush. I'm for pass rush. I

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Speaker 18: don't know what the future holds for for Trey. Those

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Speaker 18: are those are discussions that we're gonna have to have ongoing.

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Speaker 18: You know, he's one of a number of free agents

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Speaker 18: that we have that will have to decide how we're

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Speaker 18: going to go forward with the past rush is king,

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Speaker 18: and you always need to be layering in past rusher.

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Speaker 18: It can develop from within your team, and I think

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Speaker 18: we've seen some of that start to develop from within

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Speaker 18: our team, and then I think we need to find

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Speaker 18: some from external sources as well.

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Speaker 33: Going back to last question, going back to your first

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Speaker 33: conversation with Al last year. Through playing two rookie linebackers

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Speaker 33: back to each other most of the year, what in

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Speaker 33: your mind went wrong in the linebacker room and do

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Speaker 33: you feel like it was misalignment with understanding what Al

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Speaker 33: needed that maybe you.

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Speaker 10: Have a better.

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Speaker 18: I think I'm always getting clarity from you know what

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Speaker 18: we're trying to do with our coaches, but they you know,

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Speaker 18: we meet before we go, and linebacker was a need

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Speaker 18: for us, and to be quite honest, what we saw

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Speaker 18: in our young guys, they were starting to eat into

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Speaker 18: the playing time of the veterans we had, and Al

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Speaker 18: had a lot of confidence in those young guys. The

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Speaker 18: growing pains that we saw this year are going to

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Speaker 18: pay off because we saw.

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Speaker 4: Them this year.

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Speaker 18: It's not always fun while they're happening, but those two

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Speaker 18: linebackers that when they first started playing to when they

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Speaker 18: finished the season versus Cleveland out here our night and day,

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Speaker 18: and you can see exactly what the vision is for

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Speaker 18: those two guys. And you know, we're always talking to

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Speaker 18: Al and what he wants to be. The great thing

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Speaker 18: about Al is he can be a lot of different

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Speaker 18: things based on what he has. You know, that's what

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Speaker 18: the best coaches dot, that's what he did at Notre Dame.

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Speaker 18: Here's what I have. So here's what I'm gonna do

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Speaker 18: to maximize what I have. And then here's what I'd

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Speaker 18: like to be. And it's our job to try to

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Speaker 18: build towards that vision.

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Speaker 2: Thanks to thank you, thank you, good gracious. That was awesome.

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Speaker 2: Now he put the hat on the leave.

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Speaker 3: I'm assuming he entered the room. I did not see

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Speaker 3: him enter the room. Yeah, but I assume he entered

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Speaker 3: the room with the hat, took it off to talk,

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Speaker 3: and as an absolute man of class, we'll take it off. Goodness,

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Speaker 3: one hour and four minutes according to the my gosh

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Speaker 3: stuff that I had.

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Speaker 2: Okay, let's break, and I don't think any of us

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Speaker 2: respecting over an hour. Let's know, regroup, and let's figure

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Speaker 2: out what that's going to look like for hour number three,

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Speaker 2: which comes up next on ESBN fifteen. Already, Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 9: We're definitely gonna be late to.

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Speaker 1: Is Tony Pike Cincy three sixty about Cincinnati from Cincinnati.

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Speaker 1: This is ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 2: All right, here we go, Power three uncharted territory here, Austin,

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01:59:20,840 --> 01:59:23,360
Speaker 2: uncharted territory. I know we want to get the talk

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Speaker 2: backs a little bit later in the hour. We're gonna

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Speaker 2: catch up with Moager, but the press conference goes over

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Speaker 2: an hour with Duke Tobin, I have a bunch of

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Speaker 2: notes written. I know you have notes ridden, and thankfully

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Speaker 2: our guy Charlie Goldsmith is with us, and I just thought, Austin,

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Speaker 2: we could kind of use this moment to sift through

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Speaker 2: what we just heard and do so with Charlie.

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Speaker 3: What if we all just react together? Wow, that kind

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Speaker 3: of sounds fun, Hi, Charlie.

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Speaker 15: Duke said they need more stones, so a brother my pickaway.

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Speaker 3: I wrote that, yeah too, that exact thing he said,

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Speaker 3: we have cornerstones, we need more stones.

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Speaker 2: You already got a geno. Now we go. Hmm. Charlie,

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Speaker 2: it's extremely difficult when you think of a press conference

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Speaker 2: that goes over an hour, but immediately following instant reactions.

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Speaker 2: Were there one or a few things that stand out

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Speaker 2: to you more so than the rest?

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Speaker 15: Here's kind of how I feel. Basically, what I cooked

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Speaker 15: from Duke was we're building this thing around Joe and

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Speaker 15: he's using the tenth We we've done it before we

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Speaker 15: think this offense is really good, and we've made moves

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Speaker 15: that we feel benefit him, and I've had to live

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Speaker 15: with some ramifications of that. I like the idea of

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Speaker 15: building around Joe. Obviously the subsequential moves have failed, and

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Speaker 15: those very little lack of reflection or you know, I

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Speaker 15: would have done this differently. It wasn't like like Duke

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Speaker 15: was like, we don't get to sign defensive for agents anymore.

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Speaker 15: I have a lot of questions about Dino Stone, Sheldon

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Speaker 15: Rank and Nick Scott, guys like that. So there wasn't

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Speaker 15: much reflection on what's gone wrong, and there was a

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Speaker 15: lot of talk about, hey, we're building this thing around Burrow,

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Speaker 15: that's what's supposed to do here.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't feel to me. It felt a lot like

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Speaker 2: what you said reflection. And also I thought was Duke

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Speaker 2: Tobin saying, look, I'm aware of what is being said,

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Speaker 2: and he took the blame. But I don't feel like,

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Speaker 2: when pressed about how are we going to get this fixed,

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Speaker 2: I don't feel like there was really a path forward

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Speaker 2: on how it gets fixed.

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Speaker 15: None. And obviously the more difficult part than building a

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Speaker 15: super Bowl caliber roster is doing it as a quarterback.

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Speaker 15: Who's getting paid. And I still don't have any answers

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Speaker 15: on approaches in free agency, or priorities in the draft

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Speaker 15: or anything that's tangibly going to change. What it sounded

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Speaker 15: like was a lot of doubling down on what they've done,

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Speaker 15: you know, signing the next Genostone, signing the next Sheldon Rankin.

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Speaker 15: That's kind of the direction that I was being sold

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Speaker 15: them going toward, because they're saying, these are the people

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Speaker 15: we believe in making these decisions, these decisions, but these

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Speaker 15: people haven't made good enough decisions on the defensive side

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Speaker 15: of the ball.

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Speaker 3: It also kind of felt to me like his biggest

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Speaker 3: issue with this year's Bengals and maybe last year's Bengals

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Speaker 3: were their inability to finish critical moments, as he described them,

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Speaker 3: late in games. And at times it almost felt like

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Speaker 3: he was blaming Zach Taylor for that. Well, and what

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Speaker 3: did you make of that?

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Speaker 15: I felt like he was blaming the players, to which

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Speaker 15: I say, why didn't you get better players?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 15: Like the Bear game. My belief in that moment was

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Speaker 15: like Josh Newton was mitheligned Josh Newton your Week one

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Speaker 15: starting quarter, and I liked Josh, but Josh was three

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Speaker 15: spots higher than he should have been on the depth chart.

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Speaker 15: Why weren't the guys on the field in position to

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Speaker 15: finish games better players?

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Speaker 2: Like, that's my question, Charlie. He was asked about beefing

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Speaker 2: up the scouting department. He was asked about adding an

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Speaker 2: offensive play caller. He pretty much shot both of those down.

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Speaker 2: Do you feel like that's something that this organization needs

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Speaker 2: to explore on either those accounts, The one thing Duke and.

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Speaker 15: I agree on is don't touch the offense. I believe that.

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Speaker 15: I believe in what they've done to build around Joe.

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Speaker 15: I believe that signing Sticky was the right move because

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Speaker 15: of what that unlocked with Double Double Cup. Like all

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Speaker 15: the in the weed stuff that they're doing on offense,

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Speaker 15: I believe in, and doubly so because of how we

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Speaker 15: saw it working in with Flacco and then there was

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Speaker 15: a lot of Joe flat and this stuck conference that

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Speaker 15: was that was the direction. I didn't see it going

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Speaker 15: as much. But and so I believe in keeping Zach

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Speaker 15: is a play caller because this offense works with an

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Speaker 15: exclamation point in my evaluation, clearly in Duke's evaluation. Yeah,

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Speaker 15: then it's the defense that that we keep going back to.

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Speaker 3: Let's say, I kind of got the vibe that he

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Speaker 3: just wanted to get some stuff off of his chest,

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Speaker 3: almost as if this was his idea to come out

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Speaker 3: with a pad full of of things that he wanted

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Speaker 3: to say about the the who and the what and

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Speaker 3: the how and how each branch of the organganization is

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Speaker 3: assigned to one of those three things. Did it it

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Speaker 3: feel to you like, Okay, Duke has heard it and

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Speaker 3: has felt it, and this is his response to let

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Speaker 3: everyone know I'm mad just like you.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, my read on it was he did this and

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Speaker 15: this was just hear from Duke directly and hearing him

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Speaker 15: talk about this because of the state of the fan base,

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Speaker 15: and it was agreed on that this was the best

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Speaker 15: thing to create a sense of an accountability and awareness

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Speaker 15: and show the fan base kind of that the Bengals

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Speaker 15: feel it too. And I mean, I don't question he's

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Speaker 15: got he's got competitiveness or their work ethic or anything

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Speaker 15: like that. Like I'm not there with any of these

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Speaker 15: guys in the Bengals organizations. It's just like, my question was,

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Speaker 15: are you going to sign some players on defense this season?

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Speaker 15: And that's not something I felt like was addressed enough

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Speaker 15: kind of what they can change to make sure that happens.

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Speaker 3: If I'm not mistaken. Your question was did last year's

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Speaker 3: signings and negotiations affect your ability to sign free agents

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Speaker 3: and do you anticipate that not being an issue this year?

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Speaker 3: And there wasn't really an answer to that.

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Speaker 31: Yeah.

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Speaker 15: What he said is we brought BJ Hill and just

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Speaker 15: Beside back, which didn't.

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Speaker 2: Improve the defense.

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Speaker 15: And I had a nice year, but Bj is still

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Speaker 15: a move to Franklin. I don't really understand, and we'll

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Speaker 15: see if he's a cap casualty this offseason. So you

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Speaker 15: look at their biggest moves on defense, and there wasn't

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Speaker 15: much reflection or a lock of a better word, contrition

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Speaker 15: on how that's all gone.

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Speaker 2: He used the term attacked in describing how last offseason went.

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Speaker 2: That they attacked last offseason. He was asked why fans

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Speaker 2: should have belief and he said, quote, we've done it before.

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Speaker 2: He was asked what needs to change going forward? He

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Speaker 2: kind of bluntly said our record. I don't think that's

2379
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Speaker 2: the answer that most folks are looking for. What does

2380
02:05:49,120 --> 02:05:51,760
Speaker 2: need to change, Charlie, because now here we are the

2381
02:05:51,800 --> 02:05:54,520
Speaker 2: scouting department is not going to change. The coaching staff

2382
02:05:54,600 --> 02:05:56,800
Speaker 2: is not going to change. Duke Tobin is not going

2383
02:05:56,840 --> 02:05:59,640
Speaker 2: to change. And what this leaves us with with a

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Speaker 2: that we hear Duke Tobin says was improving as the

2385
02:06:02,880 --> 02:06:05,920
Speaker 2: season went on and getting better. So if none of

2386
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Speaker 2: the pieces in place are changing, what changes are gonna

2387
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Speaker 2: come this offseason to give you a better hope for

2388
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Speaker 2: next year.

2389
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Speaker 15: One more thing was the question about all these all

2390
02:06:17,680 --> 02:06:21,600
Speaker 15: these tense contract negotiations stories that have gone on, and

2391
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Speaker 15: the answer was there, we're not going to change with

2392
02:06:23,640 --> 02:06:26,640
Speaker 15: that either. So that was all very notable to me.

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Speaker 15: What is changing?

2394
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Speaker 10: Man?

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Speaker 15: For the second straight off season, they're putting the biggest

2396
02:06:30,520 --> 02:06:33,720
Speaker 15: bet on the planet on Al Golden. I do agree

2397
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Speaker 15: completely with what Zach said on Monday about the fact

2398
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Speaker 15: that it was just maybe so much to handle for

2399
02:06:39,720 --> 02:06:41,840
Speaker 15: a new staff that had gotten the way of being

2400
02:06:41,880 --> 02:06:44,760
Speaker 15: as impactful as they possibly could and improving the roster

2401
02:06:45,160 --> 02:06:48,120
Speaker 15: because it was a new staff on defense working together

2402
02:06:48,160 --> 02:06:50,480
Speaker 15: for the first time, working with a new front office

2403
02:06:51,320 --> 02:06:55,600
Speaker 15: like this has like what's going to change like Al

2404
02:06:55,720 --> 02:06:59,000
Speaker 15: has to be the difference Al and his player evaluation

2405
02:06:59,120 --> 02:07:02,560
Speaker 15: backgrounds in college, in his development background from college, and

2406
02:07:02,840 --> 02:07:05,440
Speaker 15: I do, like everyone wanted to see a coaching change

2407
02:07:05,480 --> 02:07:08,440
Speaker 15: on the staff, like knowing these guys, I do, like

2408
02:07:08,680 --> 02:07:13,640
Speaker 15: genuinely think very highly of Jarry Montgomery defensive line, by

2409
02:07:13,720 --> 02:07:18,440
Speaker 15: Codge's linebacker, Chuck Brook's quarter Jordan Kovac safeties, like I

2410
02:07:18,520 --> 02:07:22,440
Speaker 15: do think highly of those coaches Dave gotten now with

2411
02:07:22,680 --> 02:07:26,280
Speaker 15: the outside voice that the coaching staff has in decision

2412
02:07:26,280 --> 02:07:30,240
Speaker 15: making from a personnel standpoint in this organization, that group

2413
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Speaker 15: past to reflects the change, just like I mean, let's

2414
02:07:32,840 --> 02:07:35,160
Speaker 15: be really, let's get Hi Crunt for something. Just like

2415
02:07:35,360 --> 02:07:38,160
Speaker 15: Zach and at the time, Brian Callahan and Dan Pitcher

2416
02:07:38,560 --> 02:07:40,360
Speaker 15: led a lot of the change on the offensive side

2417
02:07:40,400 --> 02:07:42,680
Speaker 15: of the ball that led to the offensive and CoSystem

2418
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Speaker 15: they have now.

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Speaker 3: Duke referenced the fact that the two highest paid players

2420
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Speaker 3: on each side of the ball were out for a

2421
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Speaker 3: good chunk of the season. Zach also said that earlier

2422
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Speaker 3: this week, does that feel like a bubbling excuse or

2423
02:07:59,720 --> 02:08:01,560
Speaker 3: I don't know if I know the right word, but

2424
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Speaker 3: does that feel like something that the Bengals are going

2425
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Speaker 3: to hold on to this offseason?

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Speaker 2: To you?

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Speaker 15: An area where I expected more reflecting from Duke was

2428
02:08:10,040 --> 02:08:13,680
Speaker 15: about Trey Hendrick specifically and the decision to bring him

2429
02:08:13,720 --> 02:08:16,040
Speaker 15: back this season with all that went on with it,

2430
02:08:16,880 --> 02:08:19,160
Speaker 15: that wasn't an area he went and kind of my

2431
02:08:19,520 --> 02:08:23,240
Speaker 15: Charlie's reaction to the Henderson side of it was well,

2432
02:08:23,960 --> 02:08:26,320
Speaker 15: to a degree, some of it was self inflicted by

2433
02:08:26,360 --> 02:08:28,080
Speaker 15: having one of the best players in his position in

2434
02:08:28,120 --> 02:08:31,600
Speaker 15: the league. Got frustrated about his contract situation when you

2435
02:08:31,720 --> 02:08:34,800
Speaker 15: had such a clear opportunity to trade him in the

2436
02:08:34,840 --> 02:08:36,680
Speaker 15: off season, so much that that was what I was

2437
02:08:36,760 --> 02:08:39,839
Speaker 15: arguing they should do at the time. So I don't

2438
02:08:39,880 --> 02:08:42,360
Speaker 15: give them that excuse on the defensive side of the

2439
02:08:42,360 --> 02:08:45,440
Speaker 15: ball because they made the decision to bet on trade

2440
02:08:45,480 --> 02:08:49,440
Speaker 15: this year, and then offensively, nothing I saw on offense

2441
02:08:49,560 --> 02:08:53,160
Speaker 15: made me feel, you know, with browning and flack of walls,

2442
02:08:53,160 --> 02:08:55,360
Speaker 15: made me feel like this was anything better than a

2443
02:08:55,480 --> 02:08:58,680
Speaker 15: top or then then a bottom five defense in the

2444
02:08:58,720 --> 02:09:02,680
Speaker 15: league up until a bye week, even though Burrow is out,

2445
02:09:02,760 --> 02:09:05,360
Speaker 15: the defense was still that bad. So I don't put

2446
02:09:05,360 --> 02:09:06,680
Speaker 15: a lot of stock into that excuse.

2447
02:09:08,840 --> 02:09:11,440
Speaker 2: I feel like there were multiple times Charlie and referencing

2448
02:09:11,800 --> 02:09:14,120
Speaker 2: some of the misses in last offseason that he went

2449
02:09:14,240 --> 02:09:17,480
Speaker 2: back to the good things that they did and obviously

2450
02:09:17,480 --> 02:09:20,320
Speaker 2: getting the Jamar Chase deal, getting the t Higgins deal done.

2451
02:09:20,600 --> 02:09:23,200
Speaker 2: Did it feel at any point like he was pushing

2452
02:09:23,280 --> 02:09:26,120
Speaker 2: towards Joe Burrow a little bit? And maybe why this

2453
02:09:26,320 --> 02:09:29,680
Speaker 2: roster has gone through some of the shortcomings. He used

2454
02:09:29,840 --> 02:09:32,960
Speaker 2: the term kind of building around it a quarterback. We've

2455
02:09:33,000 --> 02:09:36,200
Speaker 2: taken great pains in building around Do you feel like

2456
02:09:36,240 --> 02:09:39,000
Speaker 2: there's a little bit of push towards Joe Burrow on

2457
02:09:39,040 --> 02:09:40,400
Speaker 2: maybe some of the shortcomings?

2458
02:09:41,160 --> 02:09:43,560
Speaker 15: Yeah, that great pain squote. I think that's what I'm

2459
02:09:43,600 --> 02:09:45,960
Speaker 15: gonna lead with. That's what I'm going to write about today,

2460
02:09:46,440 --> 02:09:48,840
Speaker 15: because the subtext for all of this is, well, if

2461
02:09:48,880 --> 02:09:52,600
Speaker 15: they don't fix it, what happened to Burrow? Well, I

2462
02:09:52,680 --> 02:09:55,280
Speaker 15: think kind of what you felt you sang today was

2463
02:09:55,760 --> 02:09:58,680
Speaker 15: we're building this for him. We want this to be

2464
02:09:58,800 --> 02:10:01,400
Speaker 15: his show, want to build a team kind of in

2465
02:10:01,480 --> 02:10:04,360
Speaker 15: his image because we believe that in addition to the

2466
02:10:04,400 --> 02:10:07,360
Speaker 15: fact that that's what Burrow believed, so kind of the

2467
02:10:07,640 --> 02:10:10,240
Speaker 15: subtext from that is so then when it doesn't work out, well,

2468
02:10:10,480 --> 02:10:13,040
Speaker 15: we're living and guying with Joe Burrow and me myself,

2469
02:10:13,080 --> 02:10:16,400
Speaker 15: I'd also be in the Borough business. But then the

2470
02:10:16,440 --> 02:10:18,320
Speaker 15: flip side that we keep going back to is you

2471
02:10:18,400 --> 02:10:21,960
Speaker 15: have to build the thing around Joe while also at

2472
02:10:22,040 --> 02:10:25,520
Speaker 15: least hitting on a single defensive free agent since twenty

2473
02:10:25,600 --> 02:10:26,120
Speaker 15: twenty two.

2474
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Speaker 3: Do you feel like they have a plan yet or

2475
02:10:30,560 --> 02:10:33,520
Speaker 3: are they still trying to put it together? And that's

2476
02:10:33,520 --> 02:10:35,480
Speaker 3: maybe why he didn't have answers for a plan.

2477
02:10:37,360 --> 02:10:40,160
Speaker 15: From what I've kind of heard going back to December,

2478
02:10:40,200 --> 02:10:42,520
Speaker 15: and Duke said this today is the world pass record

2479
02:10:42,560 --> 02:10:44,440
Speaker 15: is going to play in this offseason, and I think

2480
02:10:44,480 --> 02:10:47,120
Speaker 15: that's what they view is the quickest path there. I

2481
02:10:47,160 --> 02:10:49,720
Speaker 15: think that it's kind of going to be the off

2482
02:10:49,720 --> 02:10:53,240
Speaker 15: season of the defensive line. Aside from that, like, what

2483
02:10:53,360 --> 02:10:56,160
Speaker 15: is the plan linebacker? I think that's something they probably

2484
02:10:56,160 --> 02:10:58,879
Speaker 15: still have to flush through. What's the plan in the slot?

2485
02:10:59,080 --> 02:11:01,600
Speaker 15: Like the most interesting thing to me is how do

2486
02:11:01,640 --> 02:11:04,640
Speaker 15: they want to schematically use their slot corner next year?

2487
02:11:04,960 --> 02:11:05,640
Speaker 2: So what is that?

2488
02:11:05,960 --> 02:11:08,800
Speaker 15: How does that impact the personnel? You haven't added the room, Like,

2489
02:11:09,200 --> 02:11:11,760
Speaker 15: I can see how they're still working through all that,

2490
02:11:12,720 --> 02:11:16,360
Speaker 15: But generally I do feel like they'll do something in

2491
02:11:16,400 --> 02:11:18,480
Speaker 15: free agency with a priority up fronts.

2492
02:11:19,240 --> 02:11:21,200
Speaker 3: The last question, and I think there were a couple

2493
02:11:21,200 --> 02:11:24,560
Speaker 3: of questions about the linebackers, and Dukes seem to think

2494
02:11:24,600 --> 02:11:30,440
Speaker 3: that those two specifically Demetrius Knight Junior and Barrett Carter

2495
02:11:30,560 --> 02:11:34,360
Speaker 3: had kind of been trending in the right direction and

2496
02:11:34,400 --> 02:11:36,360
Speaker 3: taking the steps that they were looking for.

2497
02:11:36,920 --> 02:11:42,240
Speaker 2: Do you feel like that is accurate?

2498
02:11:42,280 --> 02:11:44,760
Speaker 3: Do you think there's a chance that, based off the

2499
02:11:44,800 --> 02:11:47,120
Speaker 3: way that those guys finished in the competition that they

2500
02:11:47,160 --> 02:11:51,520
Speaker 3: played against, that he's overvaluing the trend of those linebackers.

2501
02:11:53,000 --> 02:11:56,800
Speaker 15: No, how I see this linebacker room going kind of

2502
02:11:56,800 --> 02:12:00,240
Speaker 15: from what I've heard is they still want bear in

2503
02:12:00,240 --> 02:12:03,240
Speaker 15: Demetrious to be set up in roles that played in

2504
02:12:03,280 --> 02:12:05,360
Speaker 15: their strengths. And I went through all their film last week.

2505
02:12:05,400 --> 02:12:09,160
Speaker 15: Personally I saw enough that there are some specific things

2506
02:12:09,240 --> 02:12:12,280
Speaker 15: that you would want them on the field doing. But

2507
02:12:12,400 --> 02:12:15,120
Speaker 15: then adding I keep calling it the alex Capo of

2508
02:12:15,240 --> 02:12:18,680
Speaker 15: linebackers is something I've gotten the sense that they're interested

2509
02:12:18,720 --> 02:12:21,240
Speaker 15: in as well. You hurt you talk about leadership in

2510
02:12:21,280 --> 02:12:24,000
Speaker 15: the middle of that defense today, That to me was

2511
02:12:24,040 --> 02:12:26,760
Speaker 15: a subplete on what they could add in the linebacker

2512
02:12:26,800 --> 02:12:29,680
Speaker 15: room from a veteran perspective, and then maybe one other

2513
02:12:29,760 --> 02:12:33,360
Speaker 15: like minor role player around them, while still giving both

2514
02:12:33,440 --> 02:12:36,600
Speaker 15: Knight and Carter a runway. If they splashed, you can't

2515
02:12:36,640 --> 02:12:38,960
Speaker 15: give up on them. That would you know, when we

2516
02:12:39,040 --> 02:12:41,440
Speaker 15: talk about down the road, why they still can't give

2517
02:12:41,520 --> 02:12:43,760
Speaker 15: up on these young guys as a whole, because that's

2518
02:12:43,800 --> 02:12:46,880
Speaker 15: what would set them back the most. But giving them

2519
02:12:46,880 --> 02:12:49,280
Speaker 15: that runway while still adding a veteran and kind of

2520
02:12:49,800 --> 02:12:52,920
Speaker 15: just kind of platuning them for lack of a better term.

2521
02:12:53,040 --> 02:12:55,120
Speaker 2: Charlie, Man, I can't thank you enough for Uh. I

2522
02:12:55,160 --> 02:12:56,800
Speaker 2: know it's a busy day. I know a technic. I

2523
02:12:56,800 --> 02:12:59,040
Speaker 2: know you got work to do as well, So thank

2524
02:12:59,080 --> 02:13:01,080
Speaker 2: you so much for jumping on with us moving around

2525
02:13:01,160 --> 02:13:03,480
Speaker 2: your schedule. What's the easiest way that folks can follow

2526
02:13:03,520 --> 02:13:06,240
Speaker 2: along now with your reaction and your coverage and what

2527
02:13:06,280 --> 02:13:08,560
Speaker 2: you got coming up after this Duketobin press conference.

2528
02:13:09,520 --> 02:13:11,640
Speaker 15: We got that at Charlie shockboard, we got that at

2529
02:13:11,680 --> 02:13:12,440
Speaker 15: Fox nineteen.

2530
02:13:12,800 --> 02:13:15,160
Speaker 2: And thanks for having me up, Charlie. Thanks so much, man,

2531
02:13:15,200 --> 02:13:21,600
Speaker 2: have a great weekend. Yeat you too, Charlie Goldsmith. This

2532
02:13:21,680 --> 02:13:25,560
Speaker 2: is incredible, man, this is incredible. I just I'm glad

2533
02:13:25,560 --> 02:13:27,080
Speaker 2: we had that with Charlie to kind of get some

2534
02:13:27,080 --> 02:13:27,800
Speaker 2: stuff out there.

2535
02:13:28,200 --> 02:13:36,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just feel I feel a frustration that it

2536
02:13:36,120 --> 02:13:39,320
Speaker 3: didn't seem to be that there doesn't seem to be

2537
02:13:39,360 --> 02:13:42,920
Speaker 3: a definitive plan as to how we're going to fix

2538
02:13:43,040 --> 02:13:43,760
Speaker 3: what went wrong?

2539
02:13:43,880 --> 02:13:44,080
Speaker 2: Yep.

2540
02:13:44,400 --> 02:13:47,920
Speaker 3: And it also felt like it wasn't as bad as

2541
02:13:47,920 --> 02:13:48,600
Speaker 3: we all thought.

2542
02:13:48,640 --> 02:13:51,120
Speaker 2: It was a lot of we recognize things were bad,

2543
02:13:51,200 --> 02:13:53,040
Speaker 2: we're going to fix it. And then how they didn't

2544
02:13:53,040 --> 02:13:53,680
Speaker 2: really have the how.

2545
02:13:54,000 --> 02:13:56,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I don't know if that's that they just

2546
02:13:56,360 --> 02:13:58,320
Speaker 3: don't want to share that or they don't have that

2547
02:13:58,400 --> 02:14:02,200
Speaker 3: plan together yet. He said a lot of the things

2548
02:14:02,240 --> 02:14:04,720
Speaker 3: I want him to say. You know, I always use

2549
02:14:04,800 --> 02:14:07,520
Speaker 3: the term that when you step foot out of bed

2550
02:14:07,520 --> 02:14:09,840
Speaker 3: in the morning, you should be doing everything you can

2551
02:14:09,920 --> 02:14:12,040
Speaker 3: to help the team win a Super Bowl. Duke said

2552
02:14:12,040 --> 02:14:15,960
Speaker 3: that almost verbatim. He also talked about how it drives

2553
02:14:16,000 --> 02:14:18,240
Speaker 3: him nuts that they lose games and that this is

2554
02:14:18,240 --> 02:14:21,800
Speaker 3: his life, livelihood and it's all he's ever known. These

2555
02:14:21,840 --> 02:14:24,520
Speaker 3: are all things I want to hear from the person

2556
02:14:24,560 --> 02:14:29,920
Speaker 3: in charge of building my football team. But that's pointless

2557
02:14:30,200 --> 02:14:32,520
Speaker 3: if you don't have a system and a call to

2558
02:14:32,640 --> 02:14:35,240
Speaker 3: action and a plan to be able to execute it.

2559
02:14:35,560 --> 02:14:38,600
Speaker 3: And your plan has to be more than we've done

2560
02:14:38,640 --> 02:14:39,120
Speaker 3: it before.

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02:14:39,280 --> 02:14:39,440
Speaker 6: Yep.

2562
02:14:39,720 --> 02:14:43,000
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, to me, the more I think about it,

2563
02:14:43,000 --> 02:14:45,280
Speaker 3: the more he says, Okay, we've done it before twice

2564
02:14:45,280 --> 02:14:47,560
Speaker 3: in a decade. Then that's yeah, you know twice in

2565
02:14:47,640 --> 02:14:51,160
Speaker 3: twenty years. Really, Then then it's like, okay, well, are

2566
02:14:51,160 --> 02:14:53,240
Speaker 3: you just gonna do what you did in twenty one? Right,

2567
02:14:53,600 --> 02:14:55,800
Speaker 3: because that almost feels like that's what they're trying to

2568
02:14:55,840 --> 02:14:56,240
Speaker 3: set up.

2569
02:14:56,320 --> 02:14:59,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a lot, it's a lot to take in

2570
02:14:59,480 --> 02:15:01,640
Speaker 2: and said, we'll respond to a lot next week as well.

2571
02:15:01,640 --> 02:15:03,400
Speaker 2: We'll try to get in a few of your talkbacks.

2572
02:15:03,440 --> 02:15:05,920
Speaker 2: Next we've got Mlager still to react to everything and

2573
02:15:06,280 --> 02:15:09,240
Speaker 2: continue on hour three. What a Friday it's been on

2574
02:15:09,400 --> 02:15:11,240
Speaker 2: ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station.

2575
02:15:12,000 --> 02:15:15,960
Speaker 1: From free agency to the draft and everything in between.

2576
02:15:16,280 --> 02:15:21,160
Speaker 1: We've got the Bengals off season covered on ESPN fifteen thirty,

2577
02:15:21,440 --> 02:15:23,880
Speaker 1: the official home of the Bengals.

2578
02:15:25,080 --> 02:15:25,920
Speaker 4: Talkbacks.

2579
02:15:26,200 --> 02:15:31,160
Speaker 36: Press the microphone and record your message for Austin in tone,

2580
02:15:31,200 --> 02:15:35,600
Speaker 36: please keep it clean and dope in me and a.

2581
02:15:35,480 --> 02:15:37,600
Speaker 15: Sprinkle sprinkle, drip drip.

2582
02:15:38,160 --> 02:15:42,200
Speaker 36: It's that type of talkbacks. It's our favorite part since

2583
02:15:42,600 --> 02:15:48,280
Speaker 36: three sixty. So Austin, buddy, play those talkbacks on your

2584
02:15:48,320 --> 02:15:52,880
Speaker 36: screen and please drive out to Cybotage.

2585
02:15:53,720 --> 02:15:58,240
Speaker 2: Well, there you have it, Friday edition of Talkbacks. It's

2586
02:15:58,280 --> 02:16:00,520
Speaker 2: going to be a little bit of a short version.

2587
02:16:00,760 --> 02:16:01,360
Speaker 2: What have we got about.

2588
02:16:01,920 --> 02:16:07,000
Speaker 3: Things are are a little bit different right now than

2589
02:16:07,040 --> 02:16:09,400
Speaker 3: we originally expect. I'm going to start with the ones

2590
02:16:09,440 --> 02:16:14,120
Speaker 3: that were left in the aftermath of Duke Tobin so

2591
02:16:14,160 --> 02:16:15,919
Speaker 3: that we can get some reaction.

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02:16:17,120 --> 02:16:18,920
Speaker 37: Well, Tony and Austin there you got a lot of

2593
02:16:19,200 --> 02:16:24,600
Speaker 37: coach speak and uh, nothing specific on how they need

2594
02:16:24,640 --> 02:16:28,760
Speaker 37: to change, just vague generalities that every team and every

2595
02:16:28,800 --> 02:16:31,880
Speaker 37: coach will spit out. And that was a waste of

2596
02:16:31,920 --> 02:16:35,240
Speaker 37: time for a press conference. I can't stand puke and

2597
02:16:35,280 --> 02:16:35,920
Speaker 37: he needs to go.

2598
02:16:39,240 --> 02:16:42,440
Speaker 4: Hey, Joe Casey here. That was actually really good.

2599
02:16:42,640 --> 02:16:46,640
Speaker 5: See I'm surprised, huh, but also surprised at how much

2600
02:16:46,640 --> 02:16:49,760
Speaker 5: he seemed to trash the defense and praise the offense.

2601
02:16:50,160 --> 02:16:51,240
Speaker 2: I know the offense is good.

2602
02:16:51,280 --> 02:16:55,000
Speaker 18: They weren't perfect, but boy, he did not hold anything

2603
02:16:55,040 --> 02:16:56,000
Speaker 18: back on the defense.

2604
02:16:56,080 --> 02:16:58,199
Speaker 3: It's hard for him to find anything good to say

2605
02:16:58,200 --> 02:16:58,520
Speaker 3: at all.

2606
02:16:59,360 --> 02:17:02,800
Speaker 2: Goody, it was Uh, it was incredible the push on

2607
02:17:02,840 --> 02:17:05,360
Speaker 2: the defense and the affinity for Joe Flacco.

2608
02:17:06,400 --> 02:17:11,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you know it was Duke wanted people

2609
02:17:11,160 --> 02:17:11,480
Speaker 3: to know.

2610
02:17:11,760 --> 02:17:14,640
Speaker 2: Yep, made the trade. That's guy, Joe, forget about it.

2611
02:17:14,680 --> 02:17:17,400
Speaker 16: What a game last night, man, oh man, wish I

2612
02:17:17,520 --> 02:17:20,720
Speaker 16: was there whipping the city out here in sunny hot Zona.

2613
02:17:20,760 --> 02:17:21,320
Speaker 2: What up, Tony?

2614
02:17:21,320 --> 02:17:21,600
Speaker 31: What up?

2615
02:17:21,600 --> 02:17:21,880
Speaker 4: Buddy?

2616
02:17:22,000 --> 02:17:24,480
Speaker 16: Fire game last night? Congratulations on the way in Miami.

2617
02:17:24,959 --> 02:17:27,879
Speaker 16: All right, Andy, let's see what you can do. Was

2618
02:17:27,920 --> 02:17:29,640
Speaker 16: it me or I'm not the only one that was

2619
02:17:29,680 --> 02:17:33,560
Speaker 16: twitching my lip listened to that press conference, It's like, yeah, right, whatever, dude,

2620
02:17:33,800 --> 02:17:35,879
Speaker 16: what we heard this song and dance before?

2621
02:17:36,160 --> 02:17:36,960
Speaker 2: Prove me wrong.

2622
02:17:37,320 --> 02:17:39,520
Speaker 16: You showed Son he was in love with Joe flaccoh Well,

2623
02:17:39,560 --> 02:17:42,120
Speaker 16: get him back here. I didn't hear anything about Dalton Riisner.

2624
02:17:42,280 --> 02:17:43,440
Speaker 16: You bake it this defense together.

2625
02:17:43,560 --> 02:17:45,600
Speaker 3: It's a good point. I wrote that down. Yeah, I

2626
02:17:45,600 --> 02:17:50,760
Speaker 3: didn't get a Dalton Riisner question, and I'm not trying

2627
02:17:50,959 --> 02:17:52,680
Speaker 3: those Those people had a lot of things they wanted

2628
02:17:52,680 --> 02:17:55,000
Speaker 3: to ask. One of the ones I wanted to ask

2629
02:17:55,360 --> 02:17:58,680
Speaker 3: was have you engaged in negotiations with Dalton Reisner?

2630
02:17:58,760 --> 02:17:59,120
Speaker 2: Correct?

2631
02:17:59,120 --> 02:18:00,600
Speaker 3: They don't have to wait. They can do it right

2632
02:18:00,640 --> 02:18:01,720
Speaker 3: now if they want to.

2633
02:18:03,400 --> 02:18:08,120
Speaker 38: Men don't visit any of the men's health medical centers

2634
02:18:08,760 --> 02:18:13,040
Speaker 38: because small is good. Small is perfectly acceptable. You don't

2635
02:18:13,080 --> 02:18:16,120
Speaker 38: need to get bigger. Just ask Duke Tobin and the

2636
02:18:16,160 --> 02:18:17,680
Speaker 38: babil and Scouting Department.

2637
02:18:18,760 --> 02:18:23,279
Speaker 3: Man, that's a fun way to look at it AFOs.

2638
02:18:23,360 --> 02:18:25,680
Speaker 28: I thought every might press conference did a good job

2639
02:18:25,720 --> 02:18:28,200
Speaker 28: asking Dick some pretty tough questions, some good questions.

2640
02:18:28,240 --> 02:18:31,119
Speaker 37: In fact, I like to see someone stuff up and said,

2641
02:18:31,320 --> 02:18:34,200
Speaker 37: when does the equity at the twenty twenty one and

2642
02:18:34,320 --> 02:18:36,520
Speaker 37: the twenty twenty two season run out with you?

2643
02:18:36,560 --> 02:18:36,800
Speaker 15: Guys?

2644
02:18:36,920 --> 02:18:37,680
Speaker 4: There are great.

2645
02:18:37,480 --> 02:18:39,800
Speaker 2: Seasons, but those that are passed and they really don't

2646
02:18:39,800 --> 02:18:40,440
Speaker 2: matter no more.

2647
02:18:40,640 --> 02:18:42,720
Speaker 39: What are you going to do to keep that super

2648
02:18:42,720 --> 02:18:45,080
Speaker 39: Bowl window open for Joe Barrows?

2649
02:18:45,400 --> 02:18:47,480
Speaker 3: I think that's a good point. Yeah, I think that is.

2650
02:18:47,920 --> 02:18:50,280
Speaker 3: I think that's very fair. It's already been used as

2651
02:18:50,320 --> 02:18:52,600
Speaker 3: a crutch. It was, it was used as a crutch.

2652
02:18:52,879 --> 02:18:55,760
Speaker 3: And Mike Brown's statement in what Zach had to say

2653
02:18:56,520 --> 02:19:00,360
Speaker 3: a reminder of that, well, listen, coming up on a

2654
02:19:00,440 --> 02:19:05,200
Speaker 3: month from now is five years, four years since that

2655
02:19:05,280 --> 02:19:06,120
Speaker 3: Super Bowl happened.

2656
02:19:06,240 --> 02:19:10,000
Speaker 40: Yep, dude, I'm not sure you want people looking at

2657
02:19:10,040 --> 02:19:12,360
Speaker 40: your record or your resume as to why you're gonna

2658
02:19:12,360 --> 02:19:14,800
Speaker 40: be able to turn this thing around just because you

2659
02:19:14,840 --> 02:19:17,920
Speaker 40: got lucky five years ago in one off season free

2660
02:19:17,959 --> 02:19:21,640
Speaker 40: agent class, and also the thirty years of failure or

2661
02:19:21,680 --> 02:19:24,920
Speaker 40: whatever that we had before that. But it also sounded

2662
02:19:24,959 --> 02:19:27,720
Speaker 40: like he said the best all free agency moves is

2663
02:19:27,760 --> 02:19:29,960
Speaker 40: going to be to retain the current roster the guys

2664
02:19:29,959 --> 02:19:31,520
Speaker 40: that they got, And while they might be true for

2665
02:19:31,560 --> 02:19:32,720
Speaker 40: most teams, that's not true.

2666
02:19:32,560 --> 02:19:33,039
Speaker 6: For this team.

2667
02:19:33,200 --> 02:19:34,879
Speaker 13: You could cut eighty eighty five percent.

2668
02:19:34,760 --> 02:19:36,720
Speaker 40: Of this team and nobody would care because they're mostly

2669
02:19:36,760 --> 02:19:39,000
Speaker 40: not any Well.

2670
02:19:39,040 --> 02:19:40,760
Speaker 3: I think you're you're thinking about what he said about

2671
02:19:40,800 --> 02:19:43,680
Speaker 3: last year he was asked. He was asked, you know

2672
02:19:43,720 --> 02:19:46,160
Speaker 3: how many new starters are you gonna need on defense?

2673
02:19:46,200 --> 02:19:48,040
Speaker 3: And he said, I can't give you that number without

2674
02:19:48,040 --> 02:19:51,080
Speaker 3: revealing our plans. So that was I guess one indicator

2675
02:19:51,440 --> 02:19:54,400
Speaker 3: that they have a plan or some sort of plan

2676
02:19:54,840 --> 02:19:58,760
Speaker 3: on defense. That did actually make me feel good to know, Okay,

2677
02:19:58,800 --> 02:20:01,640
Speaker 3: he knows we can't just running back with this these

2678
02:20:01,680 --> 02:20:05,560
Speaker 3: same guys and that there will be multiple new starters.

2679
02:20:05,640 --> 02:20:08,840
Speaker 3: At least that's the way I took that answer on defense.

2680
02:20:10,360 --> 02:20:13,160
Speaker 3: But I do feel like there's a little bit too

2681
02:20:13,240 --> 02:20:16,200
Speaker 3: much value placed on what we saw in the second

2682
02:20:16,240 --> 02:20:17,879
Speaker 3: half of the season from the defense.

2683
02:20:17,959 --> 02:20:19,480
Speaker 2: Huh Hey, guys.

2684
02:20:19,520 --> 02:20:22,360
Speaker 9: I don't know if my other talkback took but man,

2685
02:20:22,400 --> 02:20:26,120
Speaker 9: what a great press conference. I have all kinds of

2686
02:20:26,200 --> 02:20:31,200
Speaker 9: positive feelings. I think it's wonderful. One thing, though, I'm

2687
02:20:31,240 --> 02:20:35,560
Speaker 9: going to have to work an hour longer because Audie,

2688
02:20:36,640 --> 02:20:39,920
Speaker 9: I think that press conference was over an hour, wasn't

2689
02:20:39,959 --> 02:20:40,440
Speaker 9: It was?

2690
02:20:40,800 --> 02:20:41,320
Speaker 2: All right?

2691
02:20:42,040 --> 02:20:42,440
Speaker 1: Who day?

2692
02:20:42,560 --> 02:20:46,560
Speaker 9: You guys renewed great feelings, had a great day, thank you.

2693
02:20:46,840 --> 02:20:47,000
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2694
02:20:47,200 --> 02:20:49,920
Speaker 3: I think part of it is like fans just want

2695
02:20:49,959 --> 02:20:53,200
Speaker 3: to know that you give a crap. Yeah, and that

2696
02:20:53,360 --> 02:20:58,440
Speaker 3: at least came through from Duke. Now fair to question

2697
02:20:58,520 --> 02:21:03,520
Speaker 3: his ability to to execute, but it did. You could

2698
02:21:03,560 --> 02:21:06,879
Speaker 3: tell he's bothered. Yeah, and that is a that's not

2699
02:21:07,040 --> 02:21:08,680
Speaker 3: something we get from the Bengals now.

2700
02:21:08,720 --> 02:21:11,440
Speaker 2: I thought his opening statement was excellent. Yeah, I live here,

2701
02:21:11,560 --> 02:21:15,080
Speaker 2: this is my home. It affects me. I appreciate all that.

2702
02:21:16,400 --> 02:21:18,959
Speaker 2: Boy Duke Toven's laugh, It is contagious, isn't it.

2703
02:21:19,520 --> 02:21:23,400
Speaker 19: Austin, will you clip Duke's laugh and just sprinkle that

2704
02:21:23,480 --> 02:21:26,480
Speaker 19: in every portions of the shows because I think it

2705
02:21:26,520 --> 02:21:27,440
Speaker 19: would really be funny.

2706
02:21:27,600 --> 02:21:31,520
Speaker 3: There's a few really good what we call cuts, yeah,

2707
02:21:31,879 --> 02:21:34,320
Speaker 3: that we're going to be able to get to from

2708
02:21:34,560 --> 02:21:35,080
Speaker 3: from Duke.

2709
02:21:36,480 --> 02:21:37,160
Speaker 2: I have one.

2710
02:21:37,280 --> 02:21:39,680
Speaker 3: I think that's already good to go if I just

2711
02:21:39,720 --> 02:21:41,720
Speaker 3: got to make sure I find it here it.

2712
02:21:41,640 --> 02:21:44,720
Speaker 4: Is, well, it's the Bengals.

2713
02:21:45,040 --> 02:21:50,720
Speaker 2: Yep. Yeah, listen that the one where he talks about,

2714
02:21:50,840 --> 02:21:52,600
Speaker 2: you know, he thinks they're a super Bowl caliber team

2715
02:21:52,640 --> 02:21:54,600
Speaker 2: that he says, I realized we're six and eleven.

2716
02:21:54,720 --> 02:21:59,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, yep, yeah, I've already cut it into three parts.

2717
02:21:59,120 --> 02:22:01,959
Speaker 3: It's gonna take maybe the whole weekend. It gets through

2718
02:22:02,000 --> 02:22:05,160
Speaker 3: all that. Again, great Sharonville.

2719
02:22:05,680 --> 02:22:08,840
Speaker 9: My question for Duke would have been, Duke, is your

2720
02:22:08,959 --> 02:22:12,760
Speaker 9: salary commiserate with the rest of the gms.

2721
02:22:12,600 --> 02:22:19,120
Speaker 2: In the league? Okay, yeah, I don't know. Hey, guys, TJ.

2722
02:22:19,480 --> 02:22:21,720
Speaker 14: That's a clear example of what happens when you live

2723
02:22:21,760 --> 02:22:24,480
Speaker 14: in a delusional group, think tank, echo chamber.

2724
02:22:24,840 --> 02:22:28,000
Speaker 19: If the offensive and defensive front is Toven's calling card,

2725
02:22:28,240 --> 02:22:31,199
Speaker 19: the results are the perfect answer that his equation.

2726
02:22:30,959 --> 02:22:32,640
Speaker 2: Is wrong, terribly wrong.

2727
02:22:32,959 --> 02:22:35,800
Speaker 41: Beating the bad news Bears in week sixteen and seventeen

2728
02:22:35,800 --> 02:22:37,039
Speaker 41: doesn't mean you're right at the ship.

2729
02:22:37,400 --> 02:22:41,640
Speaker 2: This mess will continue. The players deserve better, the fans

2730
02:22:41,760 --> 02:22:43,840
Speaker 2: deserve better. Okay.

2731
02:22:44,720 --> 02:22:47,640
Speaker 3: I do think you know, I've said multiple times I

2732
02:22:47,640 --> 02:22:50,360
Speaker 3: think they're closer than people think. Yeah, I think Duke

2733
02:22:50,440 --> 02:22:53,560
Speaker 3: seems to share that feeling maybe a little bit too much.

2734
02:22:53,959 --> 02:22:55,320
Speaker 2: He might think they're there now.

2735
02:22:55,280 --> 02:22:59,200
Speaker 4: Steve, that will do sorry is sick.

2736
02:23:00,120 --> 02:23:00,680
Speaker 2: We're not going to.

2737
02:23:03,320 --> 02:23:06,920
Speaker 39: So it's one eighteen pm, it's sixty three degrees out,

2738
02:23:07,000 --> 02:23:11,560
Speaker 39: and I have never heard such a bigger job than

2739
02:23:11,600 --> 02:23:15,440
Speaker 39: I have with Duke Tobin with its sixty three degrees out.

2740
02:23:15,800 --> 02:23:18,520
Speaker 39: He went on to say that the scouting department are

2741
02:23:18,560 --> 02:23:21,960
Speaker 39: at the numbers that they're at because they get really

2742
02:23:22,000 --> 02:23:26,000
Speaker 39: good information on players and they make really good picks.

2743
02:23:27,360 --> 02:23:29,640
Speaker 2: Are you kidding me?

2744
02:23:30,200 --> 02:23:31,800
Speaker 4: Are you kidding me?

2745
02:23:31,920 --> 02:23:34,240
Speaker 3: I was thinking in that moment, my follow up would

2746
02:23:34,240 --> 02:23:37,000
Speaker 3: have been, Okay, well, what information made you decide to

2747
02:23:37,040 --> 02:23:42,160
Speaker 3: take Jackson Burton who was accused of rape at one point,

2748
02:23:42,560 --> 02:23:47,400
Speaker 3: and then Jermaine Burton who from the second he was drafted.

2749
02:23:47,480 --> 02:23:51,080
Speaker 3: Nick Saban said, this guy doesn't love football and like

2750
02:23:51,600 --> 02:23:54,720
Speaker 3: that right there is a perfect example of that BS.

2751
02:23:55,520 --> 02:23:58,160
Speaker 2: He said that the staff is better at the size

2752
02:23:58,160 --> 02:24:00,959
Speaker 2: of side, essentially saying that if we wanted to expand it,

2753
02:24:00,959 --> 02:24:02,200
Speaker 2: we would, but it's good how it is.

2754
02:24:02,240 --> 02:24:05,000
Speaker 3: It's better for the way they want to do things. Yeah,

2755
02:24:06,959 --> 02:24:10,320
Speaker 3: and he's right. They've drafted some good players, that's for sure.

2756
02:24:10,360 --> 02:24:13,080
Speaker 3: They've also had some big swings and missus. I mean

2757
02:24:13,120 --> 02:24:15,439
Speaker 3: there's been a lot of Matt McLean up there too.

2758
02:24:16,520 --> 02:24:19,800
Speaker 11: I'll say this much for old Duke. He's gonna have

2759
02:24:19,879 --> 02:24:25,200
Speaker 11: to do better. I'm pretty sure that. Yeah, he decided that. Yeah,

2760
02:24:25,360 --> 02:24:27,280
Speaker 11: I think he's been totally has to do better.

2761
02:24:28,760 --> 02:24:31,199
Speaker 2: I have a good one. Yeah, he's got to do better.

2762
02:24:31,280 --> 02:24:34,879
Speaker 3: I felt like I felt like Duke had a little

2763
02:24:35,000 --> 02:24:37,720
Speaker 3: little fire up the old backside there today.

2764
02:24:38,560 --> 02:24:46,080
Speaker 10: Tony Boston Steve from West Junior, that guy should run

2765
02:24:46,120 --> 02:24:57,240
Speaker 10: for mayor. That was the biggest pile of steamy political Well,

2766
02:24:57,320 --> 02:25:06,320
Speaker 10: you know, to go, Duke, Toban's got to go, Bye.

2767
02:25:07,640 --> 02:25:08,879
Speaker 2: Tobes, DoBeS.

2768
02:25:09,440 --> 02:25:11,400
Speaker 22: Well, it only took less than five minutes for it

2769
02:25:11,520 --> 02:25:13,520
Speaker 22: to turn into a deposition as expected.

2770
02:25:14,080 --> 02:25:16,640
Speaker 2: Why do you think you deserve to be in your job?

2771
02:25:17,080 --> 02:25:20,080
Speaker 25: Good grief man, ask a pertinent question, William.

2772
02:25:20,200 --> 02:25:23,840
Speaker 2: Wow. See now that's the thing.

2773
02:25:23,920 --> 02:25:26,680
Speaker 3: Like half the fan base thinks, yes, great question, yeah,

2774
02:25:26,720 --> 02:25:29,439
Speaker 3: and the other half is like, that's not necessary.

2775
02:25:29,480 --> 02:25:30,959
Speaker 2: And I thought he was gonna have to, like, you know,

2776
02:25:31,959 --> 02:25:34,320
Speaker 2: go under oath on the Bible. My favorite moment, do

2777
02:25:34,360 --> 02:25:36,280
Speaker 2: you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth? My

2778
02:25:36,440 --> 02:25:40,000
Speaker 2: favorite moment was the question about an offensive play caller yep,

2779
02:25:40,160 --> 02:25:42,720
Speaker 2: And he looked at her and said, an offensive play caller?

2780
02:25:42,840 --> 02:25:45,720
Speaker 2: Know what that what that meant, what are you talking about?

2781
02:25:45,800 --> 02:25:45,959
Speaker 9: Huh?

2782
02:25:46,440 --> 02:25:53,280
Speaker 41: The clouds part way, the sun shines, bright, temperature rises,

2783
02:25:54,080 --> 02:25:59,080
Speaker 41: and anticipation of the site. The Great Duke Tobin awakens

2784
02:25:59,120 --> 02:26:03,760
Speaker 41: from his nap to feed the local media and fans

2785
02:26:04,320 --> 02:26:06,000
Speaker 41: a wheelbarrow full of crap.

2786
02:26:10,400 --> 02:26:13,680
Speaker 4: One more, pa, Well it's the Bengals.

2787
02:26:14,400 --> 02:26:16,800
Speaker 2: Oh No, that's it, that's all I got. That's uh.

2788
02:26:16,959 --> 02:26:21,600
Speaker 2: We're done. We are so discombobulated on our time.

2789
02:26:21,760 --> 02:26:25,440
Speaker 3: No, we're thankful. We're thankful, thankful for a day like this.

2790
02:26:25,560 --> 02:26:28,320
Speaker 3: We're thankful for everyone. And what's beautiful about it is

2791
02:26:28,360 --> 02:26:30,520
Speaker 3: we'll be able to go into this weekend and Tony

2792
02:26:30,560 --> 02:26:34,959
Speaker 3: and I will lock ourselves in our offices and stay

2793
02:26:35,000 --> 02:26:36,959
Speaker 3: away from our friends and family so that we can

2794
02:26:37,000 --> 02:26:39,600
Speaker 3: really dive into this and be ready to go fully.

2795
02:26:39,760 --> 02:26:42,240
Speaker 2: How many next week? How many D one football players

2796
02:26:42,280 --> 02:26:44,279
Speaker 2: are out there? Thirty forty thousand?

2797
02:26:46,640 --> 02:26:46,879
Speaker 9: Sure?

2798
02:26:46,959 --> 02:26:51,400
Speaker 2: How would less eyes be better? It's a good question.

2799
02:26:51,480 --> 02:26:53,720
Speaker 2: I mean, you're asking every every person on your staff

2800
02:26:53,760 --> 02:26:55,720
Speaker 2: to do double or triple or quadruple to work.

2801
02:26:55,800 --> 02:26:59,920
Speaker 3: Well, that's the thing, Like, it wasn't about the eye,

2802
02:27:01,120 --> 02:27:04,600
Speaker 3: it wasn't about the watch, was about the conversing.

2803
02:27:04,760 --> 02:27:06,800
Speaker 2: They've got so much info that the guy you drafted

2804
02:27:06,800 --> 02:27:08,960
Speaker 2: in the first round last year didn't even remember meeting

2805
02:27:08,959 --> 02:27:10,000
Speaker 2: with you before the draft.

2806
02:27:10,240 --> 02:27:14,480
Speaker 3: I think a lot of teams will assign scouts to regions,

2807
02:27:14,879 --> 02:27:17,560
Speaker 3: they have their guys, they all meet, they come up

2808
02:27:17,600 --> 02:27:20,560
Speaker 3: with a consensus, and then they allow the GM to

2809
02:27:20,600 --> 02:27:24,680
Speaker 3: make the decision. With the Bengals, there are multiple guys

2810
02:27:24,760 --> 02:27:28,240
Speaker 3: that basically or women that are basically the GM, and

2811
02:27:28,320 --> 02:27:31,640
Speaker 3: so they battle back and forth and not just say battle,

2812
02:27:31,640 --> 02:27:34,320
Speaker 3: but they talk back and forth over this list of

2813
02:27:34,440 --> 02:27:36,039
Speaker 3: names and then go.

2814
02:27:36,200 --> 02:27:38,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I also one other thing, we got to get

2815
02:27:38,520 --> 02:27:41,040
Speaker 2: to a break. He was kind of asked about who

2816
02:27:41,120 --> 02:27:44,040
Speaker 2: controls the fifty three man That was a good question.

2817
02:27:44,200 --> 02:27:48,040
Speaker 2: He said, they've never defined that. It's a collaborative effort,

2818
02:27:49,680 --> 02:27:52,720
Speaker 2: but it still doesn't answer like gun to the head,

2819
02:27:52,760 --> 02:27:54,400
Speaker 2: you've got to make the pick. Who's got the finals?

2820
02:27:54,400 --> 02:27:59,080
Speaker 2: So I think he kind of said that by saying

2821
02:27:59,080 --> 02:28:03,560
Speaker 2: it's mister Brown's ball team. Sure. Interesting. Nonetheless, what a

2822
02:28:03,560 --> 02:28:03,960
Speaker 2: lot of guys.

2823
02:28:04,080 --> 02:28:05,800
Speaker 3: But he did say it never gets to that, which

2824
02:28:05,840 --> 02:28:08,320
Speaker 3: I you don't do that for twenty five years and

2825
02:28:08,480 --> 02:28:09,119
Speaker 3: never gets to.

2826
02:28:09,080 --> 02:28:12,200
Speaker 2: That that uh, that stuff that we'll spend pretty much

2827
02:28:12,240 --> 02:28:13,400
Speaker 2: all next week sorting through.

2828
02:28:13,680 --> 02:28:16,519
Speaker 3: I'm gonna send Duke a thank you note yep, handwritten.

2829
02:28:16,959 --> 02:28:19,200
Speaker 3: I am from the desk of Audielmore. I'm not kidding.

2830
02:28:19,240 --> 02:28:19,680
Speaker 3: I'll do that.

2831
02:28:19,840 --> 02:28:21,160
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2832
02:28:22,120 --> 02:28:25,560
Speaker 3: I like as for this job and also as a

2833
02:28:25,600 --> 02:28:29,000
Speaker 3: Bengals fane, dude just spend an hour with us. Yeah,

2834
02:28:29,720 --> 02:28:33,280
Speaker 3: didn't love all his answers, but hell man, Yeah, he

2835
02:28:33,320 --> 02:28:34,960
Speaker 3: did say. He's like, I'm not going to talk to

2836
02:28:35,000 --> 02:28:36,720
Speaker 3: you during the season, but if you want me to

2837
02:28:36,720 --> 02:28:38,240
Speaker 3: do this at the end of every season.

2838
02:28:37,959 --> 02:28:38,280
Speaker 2: I will.

2839
02:28:38,560 --> 02:28:38,800
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2840
02:28:38,879 --> 02:28:40,680
Speaker 2: We're gonna have to talk to Mo too, because normally

2841
02:28:40,800 --> 02:28:43,000
Speaker 2: Vegas gets things pretty close. Twenty two and a half

2842
02:28:43,080 --> 02:28:46,080
Speaker 2: was a layup. Yeah, a layup MO? I thought was

2843
02:28:46,080 --> 02:28:48,600
Speaker 2: a sharp Yeah, I guess not. We'll join with Mo

2844
02:28:48,760 --> 02:28:50,600
Speaker 2: next talk about what he's got coming up on The

2845
02:28:50,600 --> 02:28:52,720
Speaker 2: Mowager Show as well. To wrap things up on this

2846
02:28:52,840 --> 02:28:54,440
Speaker 2: edition of Since He three sixty on the Whole of

2847
02:28:54,440 --> 02:28:57,640
Speaker 2: the Bengals ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station.

2848
02:28:58,959 --> 02:29:04,000
Speaker 1: Every Sport, Every Story, Every Angle, Moeger Today at three

2849
02:29:04,040 --> 02:29:11,680
Speaker 1: pm on ESPN fifteen thirty. Now it's time for quick

2850
02:29:11,760 --> 02:29:14,680
Speaker 1: hits on Tony Pikes. Since He three.

2851
02:29:14,680 --> 02:29:17,720
Speaker 2: Sixty was looking for Mo, we got Mo with us.

2852
02:29:18,440 --> 02:29:21,320
Speaker 2: Since he three sixty The Mulagger Show is coming up.

2853
02:29:21,560 --> 02:29:24,600
Speaker 2: What a treat we were able to give on this

2854
02:29:24,640 --> 02:29:27,280
Speaker 2: Friday MO with Duke Tobin over an hour. The one

2855
02:29:27,360 --> 02:29:30,440
Speaker 2: question I have, as someone who is as stute as

2856
02:29:30,440 --> 02:29:33,920
Speaker 2: you are with lines and spreads and over unders, how

2857
02:29:33,959 --> 02:29:36,240
Speaker 2: did you miss this number so bad? Yeah?

2858
02:29:36,480 --> 02:29:39,200
Speaker 32: Yeah, you know what sometimes great handicappers miss. And I

2859
02:29:39,480 --> 02:29:41,360
Speaker 32: set the line in twenty two and a half because

2860
02:29:41,400 --> 02:29:44,320
Speaker 32: I wasn't sure how concise Duke was gonna be.

2861
02:29:44,400 --> 02:29:46,400
Speaker 2: I didn't take into account that he was going to

2862
02:29:46,480 --> 02:29:47,039
Speaker 2: sit down.

2863
02:29:46,840 --> 02:29:50,640
Speaker 32: With a notepad and have you know, an opening statement,

2864
02:29:50,720 --> 02:29:51,360
Speaker 32: so to speak.

2865
02:29:51,400 --> 02:29:54,000
Speaker 2: And so you knew it was over there see the money.

2866
02:29:54,440 --> 02:29:56,760
Speaker 32: Oh as soon as he sat down with that notepad

2867
02:29:57,080 --> 02:29:58,600
Speaker 32: and put down the hat. By the way, d do

2868
02:29:58,640 --> 02:30:01,800
Speaker 32: we know what that hat was? It was like some

2869
02:30:01,840 --> 02:30:03,280
Speaker 32: sort of rich person country club.

2870
02:30:03,680 --> 02:30:07,240
Speaker 3: What's interesting, guys, is official sideline hat back in twenty

2871
02:30:07,360 --> 02:30:11,080
Speaker 3: twenty oh As someone who packed and shipped a lot

2872
02:30:11,080 --> 02:30:12,120
Speaker 3: of those bad boys?

2873
02:30:12,120 --> 02:30:13,480
Speaker 2: Gotcha? Okay, very good.

2874
02:30:13,480 --> 02:30:17,240
Speaker 32: I actually have with me here the player personnel director

2875
02:30:17,280 --> 02:30:19,160
Speaker 32: of the Cincinnati Bengals, Duke Tobin, and I think he

2876
02:30:19,200 --> 02:30:19,800
Speaker 32: wants to say.

2877
02:30:19,720 --> 02:30:24,880
Speaker 29: Him it's Duke Tobin. What did you think of my

2878
02:30:25,000 --> 02:30:31,760
Speaker 29: press conference, Yeah, it's great.

2879
02:30:32,280 --> 02:30:38,039
Speaker 32: Yeah, it's pretty it's pretty awesome. So you're obviously gonna

2880
02:30:38,280 --> 02:30:39,039
Speaker 32: talk with him again.

2881
02:30:39,160 --> 02:30:41,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're gonna spend time today obviously talking about desert.

2882
02:30:41,879 --> 02:30:44,000
Speaker 2: Anything that stood out more so than the rest for

2883
02:30:44,160 --> 02:30:46,720
Speaker 2: you in that hour plus of Duke Tobin.

2884
02:30:47,600 --> 02:30:51,040
Speaker 32: Well, you know, Austin said this weeks ago when it

2885
02:30:51,200 --> 02:30:54,039
Speaker 32: was really clear that they were going to maintain the

2886
02:30:54,040 --> 02:30:57,880
Speaker 32: status quo, and said, and I'm paraphrasing Austin here, but basically,

2887
02:30:58,080 --> 02:31:01,560
Speaker 32: the question now is how the same people do things differently?

2888
02:31:02,160 --> 02:31:05,000
Speaker 32: And what I gathered from listening to that press conference

2889
02:31:05,160 --> 02:31:09,000
Speaker 32: was nothing because it was a a defense or an

2890
02:31:09,040 --> 02:31:12,520
Speaker 32: acknowledgment that, hey, we've been good before. Interesting flex for

2891
02:31:12,560 --> 02:31:15,920
Speaker 32: a guy who's built eight out of ten teams over

2892
02:31:15,920 --> 02:31:18,440
Speaker 32: the last decade that haven't made the postseason. But but

2893
02:31:18,480 --> 02:31:21,000
Speaker 32: there was a lot of well, we've done it before,

2894
02:31:21,040 --> 02:31:22,920
Speaker 32: so we'll do it again. So that tells me that

2895
02:31:22,920 --> 02:31:24,520
Speaker 32: things aren't going to be all that different. I guess

2896
02:31:24,560 --> 02:31:26,960
Speaker 32: that was the biggest takeaway there was. There was also

2897
02:31:27,720 --> 02:31:30,960
Speaker 32: for Joel Oh, that's right, he traded for Joe Flacco.

2898
02:31:31,080 --> 02:31:33,320
Speaker 32: That's I didn't know. If I didn't know if you

2899
02:31:33,320 --> 02:31:36,560
Speaker 32: guys knew that he traded. Yes, Duke, I know, I know.

2900
02:31:37,040 --> 02:31:39,480
Speaker 32: We'll make sure. We'll mention it once an hour for you. Okay, Duke,

2901
02:31:39,920 --> 02:31:43,640
Speaker 32: you traded for Joe Flacco. I'll make sure. Can we

2902
02:31:43,680 --> 02:31:45,480
Speaker 32: get some Can we get some liners cut for the

2903
02:31:45,560 --> 02:31:49,360
Speaker 32: radio station the home of Joe Flacco who Duke Tobin

2904
02:31:49,400 --> 02:31:49,879
Speaker 32: traded for.

2905
02:31:51,400 --> 02:31:53,440
Speaker 3: Play that acquired Joe Flacco.

2906
02:31:54,080 --> 02:31:56,880
Speaker 32: Yeah, I certainly did walk away from that with the reminder,

2907
02:31:56,879 --> 02:31:58,600
Speaker 32: but no to me more than anything. You know, you

2908
02:31:58,640 --> 02:32:01,360
Speaker 32: guys talked about and I heard you guys talking with Charlie.

2909
02:32:01,440 --> 02:32:02,199
Speaker 2: You know, there was.

2910
02:32:02,120 --> 02:32:07,080
Speaker 32: An emphasis on the fact that late in games they

2911
02:32:07,120 --> 02:32:08,240
Speaker 32: have to execute better.

2912
02:32:08,280 --> 02:32:10,000
Speaker 2: And I think you could take that one of two ways.

2913
02:32:10,040 --> 02:32:12,000
Speaker 32: I think you guys took it as he's pointing the

2914
02:32:12,000 --> 02:32:15,000
Speaker 32: finger at the coaches. I think Charlie's takeaway was those

2915
02:32:15,040 --> 02:32:17,520
Speaker 32: are your players, And that's kind of how I look

2916
02:32:17,520 --> 02:32:20,119
Speaker 32: at it, right, Like, these players didn't execute at the end.

2917
02:32:20,080 --> 02:32:22,959
Speaker 2: Of games, but we saw that coming. Mainly they were

2918
02:32:23,000 --> 02:32:23,960
Speaker 2: defensive players.

2919
02:32:24,240 --> 02:32:29,160
Speaker 32: You didn't fix the defense, and so I went into

2920
02:32:29,160 --> 02:32:30,520
Speaker 32: this with low expectations.

2921
02:32:30,560 --> 02:32:31,800
Speaker 2: And that's no knock on Duke.

2922
02:32:31,920 --> 02:32:34,280
Speaker 32: I think it was gonna be almost impossible for him

2923
02:32:34,280 --> 02:32:38,840
Speaker 32: to say anything anything that made people feel better about

2924
02:32:38,879 --> 02:32:41,840
Speaker 32: what just transpired this season and what's gonna happen next.

2925
02:32:42,080 --> 02:32:44,800
Speaker 32: I didn't think he was as confrontational and as smug

2926
02:32:45,080 --> 02:32:47,240
Speaker 32: as a lot of people on social media have alleged.

2927
02:32:47,560 --> 02:32:49,280
Speaker 32: I just don't think there was a lot of meat

2928
02:32:49,320 --> 02:32:51,160
Speaker 32: on the bone as it relates to the twenty twenty

2929
02:32:51,160 --> 02:32:54,520
Speaker 32: six season and making folks feel like they're going to

2930
02:32:54,600 --> 02:32:58,600
Speaker 32: approach things differently behind the scenes to achieve better results

2931
02:32:58,600 --> 02:33:01,800
Speaker 32: this coming season than they did last year. But but

2932
02:33:02,400 --> 02:33:05,000
Speaker 32: I think what they should do is let Joe Flacco

2933
02:33:05,080 --> 02:33:08,120
Speaker 32: hit free agency so Duke Tobin can trade for him again,

2934
02:33:08,840 --> 02:33:10,840
Speaker 32: so he can remind us in a year, hey, I

2935
02:33:10,920 --> 02:33:13,800
Speaker 32: did it again, trader for Joe Flacco.

2936
02:33:13,959 --> 02:33:15,480
Speaker 4: Well, it's the Bengals.

2937
02:33:20,040 --> 02:33:22,760
Speaker 2: I wonder this because that's a lot to sort through

2938
02:33:22,800 --> 02:33:27,480
Speaker 2: in itself. Also, an unbelievable college football playoff semifinal last night.

2939
02:33:27,520 --> 02:33:30,200
Speaker 2: You got the other semifinal tonight. It's wild card weekend

2940
02:33:30,200 --> 02:33:33,120
Speaker 2: in the NFL, A full slate of local college basketball

2941
02:33:33,160 --> 02:33:35,960
Speaker 2: games this weekend. So how do you incorporate all that

2942
02:33:36,040 --> 02:33:38,000
Speaker 2: into a show this afternoon? What do you got coming up?

2943
02:33:38,640 --> 02:33:41,000
Speaker 32: Oh, it's going to be unbelievable. We'll have Kelsey Conway

2944
02:33:41,040 --> 02:33:42,680
Speaker 32: with this coming up at three oh five. She was

2945
02:33:42,720 --> 02:33:45,920
Speaker 32: at the press conference, the hour long press conference. The

2946
02:33:46,040 --> 02:33:48,600
Speaker 32: president of the United States, no matter who it is,

2947
02:33:48,680 --> 02:33:51,879
Speaker 32: typically doesn't do our long press conferences. So that shows

2948
02:33:51,879 --> 02:33:55,320
Speaker 32: you the unprecedented nature of what we were dealing with here.

2949
02:33:55,360 --> 02:33:58,920
Speaker 32: But Kelsey's gonna join us at four h five. Our

2950
02:33:58,920 --> 02:34:01,480
Speaker 32: friend Robert win Trump, who I think always has a

2951
02:34:01,520 --> 02:34:04,560
Speaker 32: really interesting perspective on all things Bengals coming up at

2952
02:34:05,480 --> 02:34:08,280
Speaker 32: four twenty. You know, the Reds don't have a TV

2953
02:34:08,400 --> 02:34:11,520
Speaker 32: deal again, and so you know that the games might

2954
02:34:11,560 --> 02:34:13,920
Speaker 32: not air on television. I have offered to bring my

2955
02:34:14,040 --> 02:34:17,160
Speaker 32: phone to the ballpark and have us sort of provide

2956
02:34:17,200 --> 02:34:20,360
Speaker 32: commentary throughout the course of the season, but they're not

2957
02:34:20,400 --> 02:34:22,800
Speaker 32: gonna get all the TV money that they need, and

2958
02:34:22,840 --> 02:34:25,800
Speaker 32: so I've got a sports business guy on with us

2959
02:34:25,800 --> 02:34:27,680
Speaker 32: to talk about what's what this is gonna mean?

2960
02:34:27,879 --> 02:34:29,480
Speaker 2: Are we gonna be able to watch the Reds? Are

2961
02:34:29,520 --> 02:34:30,400
Speaker 2: they gonna be able to cry?

2962
02:34:30,440 --> 02:34:30,680
Speaker 10: Poor?

2963
02:34:31,160 --> 02:34:33,760
Speaker 2: That is coming up at four oh five. Olivia Ray

2964
02:34:33,879 --> 02:34:34,680
Speaker 2: is gonna join us.

2965
02:34:35,400 --> 02:34:39,600
Speaker 32: She's our IU correspondent, Wow to IU covers IU. She's

2966
02:34:39,640 --> 02:34:43,199
Speaker 32: gonna talk Indiana and the College Football Playoff tonight against Oregon.

2967
02:34:43,560 --> 02:34:46,160
Speaker 32: Jed Demusey's gonna join us. He's now our Miami guy.

2968
02:34:46,440 --> 02:34:48,160
Speaker 32: You know, I got a UC guy, get a Xavier

2969
02:34:48,240 --> 02:34:50,640
Speaker 32: and NKU guy. I got a dating guy, and now

2970
02:34:50,640 --> 02:34:52,760
Speaker 32: we got a Miami guy. The Radhawks are undefeated. They're

2971
02:34:52,760 --> 02:34:56,039
Speaker 32: playing Toledo tonight. Jed's gonna join us. And obviously a

2972
02:34:56,080 --> 02:34:59,199
Speaker 32: lot of reaction to the Duke Tobin mostly nothing burger

2973
02:34:59,200 --> 02:35:01,280
Speaker 32: that took place down there at the venue originally known

2974
02:35:01,320 --> 02:35:02,440
Speaker 32: as Paul Brown Stadium.

2975
02:35:02,720 --> 02:35:06,640
Speaker 2: Would you you know, in basketball we talked about hanging banners,

2976
02:35:06,680 --> 02:35:10,240
Speaker 2: and at football stadiums you can display different things as well.

2977
02:35:10,240 --> 02:35:12,600
Speaker 2: At a football stadium, would you display making it to

2978
02:35:12,640 --> 02:35:14,480
Speaker 2: the final four of the college football playoffs or just

2979
02:35:14,480 --> 02:35:15,280
Speaker 2: if you win a title?

2980
02:35:16,800 --> 02:35:16,959
Speaker 12: Well?

2981
02:35:17,080 --> 02:35:20,000
Speaker 32: UC has one that says college football Playoffs. Yeah, you're

2982
02:35:20,000 --> 02:35:21,960
Speaker 32: good with that? Yeah I would, Yeah, of course I

2983
02:35:22,000 --> 02:35:23,920
Speaker 32: think I am as well. What did you make of

2984
02:35:24,280 --> 02:35:26,959
Speaker 32: the last play of the game last night? Should not

2985
02:35:27,040 --> 02:35:28,760
Speaker 32: have been called a pass interference or at the very

2986
02:35:28,879 --> 02:35:29,480
Speaker 32: least a holding.

2987
02:35:31,080 --> 02:35:34,400
Speaker 2: It was past interference. Yeah, and at any other point

2988
02:35:34,400 --> 02:35:37,160
Speaker 2: in the game it's called pass interference. Yeah, that was

2989
02:35:37,200 --> 02:35:38,240
Speaker 2: past interference. Yeah.

2990
02:35:38,280 --> 02:35:40,480
Speaker 32: And The thing is, it's pass interference, but it's not

2991
02:35:40,520 --> 02:35:43,520
Speaker 32: the NFL rule. So Old miss still would have had

2992
02:35:43,560 --> 02:35:45,800
Speaker 32: to execute one play to win the game. That would

2993
02:35:45,800 --> 02:35:47,320
Speaker 32: have been difficult. They wouldn't have put the ball into

2994
02:35:47,320 --> 02:35:50,160
Speaker 32: one yard line like that was past interference. I've watched

2995
02:35:50,200 --> 02:35:53,760
Speaker 32: it a thousand times. I've heard passionate defenses of the

2996
02:35:53,800 --> 02:35:56,280
Speaker 32: no call. You know, I've seen people say, well, you

2997
02:35:56,320 --> 02:35:58,520
Speaker 32: don't throw a flag in that situation. That's not the

2998
02:35:58,560 --> 02:36:01,400
Speaker 32: responsibility of a game official. The responsibility of the game

2999
02:36:01,400 --> 02:36:04,000
Speaker 32: officials to enforce the rules. That was a violation of

3000
02:36:04,000 --> 02:36:05,840
Speaker 32: the rules, and when you violate the rules, you get

3001
02:36:05,840 --> 02:36:07,760
Speaker 32: a flag thrown. That should have been a flag. Now

3002
02:36:07,760 --> 02:36:10,320
Speaker 32: that doesn't take away from what Miami did. It doesn't

3003
02:36:10,320 --> 02:36:12,959
Speaker 32: take away from how good the game was. But yes,

3004
02:36:13,040 --> 02:36:15,720
Speaker 32: that was, as far as I'm concerned, that was past interference.

3005
02:36:15,760 --> 02:36:20,119
Speaker 32: I I saw some college football writer on social media say, well,

3006
02:36:20,120 --> 02:36:21,959
Speaker 32: he wasn't sure it was a catchable pass.

3007
02:36:21,760 --> 02:36:25,320
Speaker 2: Like what it was, good ball, that's a very catchable pass. Yes,

3008
02:36:25,360 --> 02:36:27,720
Speaker 2: it is interference. Before I let you go, it's it's

3009
02:36:27,760 --> 02:36:30,560
Speaker 2: the first weekend in quite some time with no UC football,

3010
02:36:30,760 --> 02:36:33,320
Speaker 2: no Bengals football. The bear Cats don't play till Sunday.

3011
02:36:33,360 --> 02:36:38,440
Speaker 2: How how do you expect to enjoy your weekend a

3012
02:36:38,520 --> 02:36:42,359
Speaker 2: stress free til five o'clock on Sunday. Okay, let's.

3013
02:36:45,480 --> 02:36:48,600
Speaker 32: I think this Wildcard round is interesting. The Wildcard round.

3014
02:36:49,480 --> 02:36:51,600
Speaker 32: I think since since we've expanded to seven by the way,

3015
02:36:51,600 --> 02:36:54,200
Speaker 32: it's it, is it still the Super Wildcard.

3016
02:36:53,680 --> 02:36:56,560
Speaker 2: Weekend or no, no, it's Wildcard? Just Wildcard?

3017
02:36:58,040 --> 02:37:00,400
Speaker 32: Have there been a lot of great Wildcard games since

3018
02:37:00,400 --> 02:37:05,119
Speaker 32: they expanded to seven teams per conference? Bengals Greater Bengals

3019
02:37:05,200 --> 02:37:09,000
Speaker 32: Raiders was a good game. Bengals Bengals Ravens was a

3020
02:37:09,080 --> 02:37:11,640
Speaker 32: terrific game. But there haven't been a ton. Yeah, I

3021
02:37:11,680 --> 02:37:13,800
Speaker 32: think we might get some of this changes this think.

3022
02:37:14,440 --> 02:37:16,480
Speaker 32: I mean, you have four of six road teams that

3023
02:37:16,520 --> 02:37:18,760
Speaker 32: are favorites. I think we're expecting close games. I think

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Speaker 32: this weekend should be a lot of fun.

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Speaker 2: Love it.

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Speaker 32: Have a great show five o'clock on Sunday, Have a

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Speaker 32: great show, have a great weekend.

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Speaker 2: You two guys, Dook anything to say anything?

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Speaker 10: Anything?

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Speaker 6: Flock?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, Joe, Yes, Joe, Duke's having a drink.

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Speaker 2: Duke's gonna check in with Mo throughout the afternoon.

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Speaker 32: He traded for Joe Joe Flacco, right, yes, yeah, great guy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, thank you, Thanks Mo, Thanks Mo, Duke, Okay,

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Speaker 2: thanks Duke, see you guys, Thanks Austin, Thanks to everybody else, callers, listeners, talkbackers, sponsors,

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Speaker 2: have a great weekend. Thanks for listening to SINCY three sixty.

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Speaker 2: The Mulager Show is next on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati

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Speaker 2: sports station. Well the Holid