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Speaker 1: Boston's Bulldozer never sleeps. The Kooner Report weekend edition on

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Speaker 1: the Voice of Boston WRKO.

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Speaker 2: Joining us now as she always does at this time,

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Speaker 2: doctor Grace putting liberals in their place. Grace vote and

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Speaker 2: full disclosure. Yep, I married way up, my wonderful wife, Grace.

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Speaker 2: I gotta ask you the Save Act? Will it pass?

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Speaker 2: Does John Thune have what it takes to get it passed?

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Speaker 2: Or is he just playing us for fools?

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Speaker 3: Innett A moment like this is like the super Bowl, right,

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Speaker 3: this would be the biggest legislative achievement of Donald Trump's presidency.

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Speaker 3: So you have John Tune here getting ready to go

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Speaker 3: into the equivalent of the super Bowl, and last night

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Speaker 3: he was saying, all right, team, I just want you

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Speaker 3: all to know it's likely we're going to go down

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Speaker 3: and defeat. This is the pep talk that he was

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Speaker 3: giving last night. The guy was boring me into submission.

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Speaker 3: I almost wanted to say, just please stop talking. You

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Speaker 3: don't have to pass the Save Actually stop talking. I

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Speaker 3: can't take another moment of this. Look the way he

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Speaker 3: was talking, It's like, oh my gosh, this is like

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Speaker 3: trying to climb Mount Everest with a broken leg. It's

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Speaker 3: gonna be hard. It's gonna be very, very hard. I

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Speaker 3: just want to prepare everybody. We might not make it.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm sorry, you're fired. You're fired. You're supposed

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Speaker 3: to be rallying your party. You're supposed to be cajoling

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Speaker 3: the Democrats. You're supposed to be rallying the nation. You're

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Speaker 3: supposed to be saying, we're not gonna stop until we win.

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Speaker 2: That time you win, Grace. What's your theory? You're right?

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Speaker 2: It would be by far the most consequential piece of legislation.

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Speaker 2: If it got passed under Trump's either term, I don't care,

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Speaker 2: first term or second term, it would bury the Democrats

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Speaker 2: electorally and politically. It would guarantee a MAGA majority for

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Speaker 2: at least a generation. The Republicans would control the House

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Speaker 2: in the Senate. I mean, if Thune wants job security,

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Speaker 2: this is going to practically guarantee him job security. So

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Speaker 2: why is stuon A so reluctant to fight, so pessimistic,

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Speaker 2: and why does he refuse to do what it takes

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Speaker 2: to get it passed. Why is Stone throwing in the towel?

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Speaker 2: What's your theory?

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Speaker 3: Well, let me tell you this it's not about character

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Speaker 3: because he was a star athlete. By the way, his

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Speaker 3: father was a fighter in World War Two. This he

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Speaker 3: comes from a stellar family. He was a star athlete.

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Speaker 3: Even to this day, he's one of the fastest men

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Speaker 3: in Congress as a runner. He's one tough election again

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Speaker 3: and again and again. He's been in Washington, DC JEP

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Speaker 3: since nineteen ninety six, basically since you and I got married.

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Speaker 3: It's thirty years. The guy's there, so he knows how

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Speaker 3: to win. He knows how to win again and again

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Speaker 3: and again. He's a survivor. But he's not willing to fight.

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Speaker 3: He's not willing to win, and he's not willing to

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Speaker 3: show his toughness on this one. And to me, it's

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Speaker 3: very obvious. Why listen, he was one of those people

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Speaker 3: that said that Trump didn't actually lose twenty twenty. Trump

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Speaker 3: berated him on that. He said that the election hadn't

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Speaker 3: been stolen. So you know his true color.

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Speaker 2: No, okay, hold on, So Thune came out and said

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Speaker 2: that the election was not stolen in twenty twenty.

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Speaker 3: Actually he said that, and he was berated by Donald Trump.

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Speaker 3: So this guy is a swamp creature through and through,

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Speaker 3: my friend, through and through.

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Speaker 2: Is he on the take? I mean, I know we're

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Speaker 2: kind of speculating now, but is it corruption on his

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Speaker 2: part or does he just love to be you know,

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Speaker 2: the big profile pieces in the Washington Post and the

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Speaker 2: New York Times, loved by the media establishment. He's quote

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Speaker 2: unquote respected on Capitol Hill. He goes to the best

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Speaker 2: cocktail parties, and oh, John, you know, you're one of

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Speaker 2: the good ones, unlike those crazy maga types. In other words,

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Speaker 2: is it more ego for him or do you think

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Speaker 2: someone is lining his pockets to take a dive.

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Speaker 3: Conservative? You know, this is how he came, how he rose,

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Speaker 3: This is who he truly is. And there are many

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Speaker 3: of them right now in DC. They've taken over Trump's

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Speaker 3: foreign policy. I mean, Trump's foreign policy has effectively been

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Speaker 3: completely sabotaged by the neo conservatives. And so now what

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Speaker 3: they need to do is they need to make sure

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Speaker 3: that his nationalists agenda does not triumph domestically. And so

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Speaker 3: then when he goes down to defeat in the midterms,

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Speaker 3: they're going to be able to say to all the

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Speaker 3: America first, or see, we told you so. The whole

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Speaker 3: agenda is a failure, but they never ever allowed us

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Speaker 3: to properly implement it. That's what's really going on. And

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Speaker 3: if you look at the results for twenty twenty five,

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Speaker 3: because of the democ A shutdown, the overall GDP is

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Speaker 3: going to be low for the year. It's only going

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Speaker 3: to be a two percent. So going into twenty twenty six,

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Speaker 3: what aren't we going to be able to do? What

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Speaker 3: are we going to be able to celebrate? They're going

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Speaker 3: to have a big talking point on the economy, and

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Speaker 3: we're not going to have the election integrity that we need.

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Speaker 3: So how on earth are the Republicans going to win?

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Speaker 3: There's no strategy for victory from a gun who knows

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Speaker 3: how to win. So the only conclusion is this is sabotage.

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Speaker 2: And your point is it's deliberate in the sense that

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Speaker 2: they want to discredit Trump, but not just his presidency.

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Speaker 2: They want to discredit the entire Mago movement and basically

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Speaker 2: go to in other words, cause as much chaos, confusion,

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Speaker 2: failure as possible. And this is not just the Democrats

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Speaker 2: you're saying, it's the Republican establishment, the Meal Conservatives, And

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Speaker 2: they can turn around and say, you see, we told

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Speaker 2: you look at this long lines at airports, GDP is low.

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Speaker 2: You've got wars overseas. The elections are still as crooked

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Speaker 2: as they ever were. The Democrats, hence are winning race

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Speaker 2: after race. MAGA cannot govern, MAGA cannot rule. So the goal, ultimately,

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Speaker 2: you say, is to discredit the entire MAGA movement so

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Speaker 2: they can never come back to power again.

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Speaker 3: Correct, correct, Jeff. But it's not really the Maga movement.

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Speaker 3: It's the America First Agenda, And if you look at

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Speaker 3: American history, the only time that it was truly authentically

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Speaker 3: implemented were the attempts in the first three years of

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Speaker 3: Trump's first term. There you see, really that was the

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Speaker 3: America First Agenda in its purest form. By the time

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Speaker 3: we get to the second term, it's been sabotaged, it's

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Speaker 3: been taken over, and you have very few legislative wins domestically,

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Speaker 3: apart from the Big Beautiful Bill, which was a big triumph,

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Speaker 3: no doubt about it. But to save Act would be

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Speaker 3: even bigger because it would be a lasting reform of

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Speaker 3: our government that is much needed. But just to get

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Speaker 3: to the overall point in foreign policy, forget it. We

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Speaker 3: don't have a vision of America First. Right now that's gone,

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Speaker 3: that's been completely taken over. And the only question now

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Speaker 3: is are we going to be able to show the

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Speaker 3: world and our own citizens that America First works at home?

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Speaker 3: While the Rhinos are just being completely passive. I've never

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Speaker 3: seen a party that controls both houses, both chambers of

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Speaker 3: government and they're they're just like throwing in the towel

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Speaker 3: at every turn. So what does that tell you? These

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Speaker 3: are capable people when it's time for their self interest. Men,

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Speaker 3: they're killers, they're winners. Look, I don't want to run

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Speaker 3: a race against Jeun Tune. I'm not going to run

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Speaker 3: against him and anything because the guy the killer when

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Speaker 3: he wants to be, but he clearly doesn't want to be.

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Speaker 3: And it's just part of being able to restore the

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Speaker 3: Republican Party to what it was before, and the way

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Speaker 3: to do that is to make sure that nothing moves

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Speaker 3: forward in Trump's second term.

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Speaker 2: We have been talking with Grace Vuoto, doctor Grace putting

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Speaker 2: liberals in their place as always, dynamite stuff. Grace. We

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Speaker 2: will talk to you obviously next week, same time, Grace Vuoto.

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Speaker 2: So let me and thank you again. I really appreciated

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Speaker 2: Grace Okay, let me ask you, she threw a mother

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Speaker 2: log on the fire. Are the rhinos deliberately now trying

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Speaker 2: to sabotage the America First agenda, sabotage Trump's presidency so

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Speaker 2: that he will fail, lose the midterms, and then be impeached,

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Speaker 2: and from that point forward discredit not only Trump but

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Speaker 2: the entire movement.

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Speaker 1: Jeff doesn't get a day off. This request came from

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Speaker 1: his wife. The Kooner Report weekend edition on the Boys

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