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Speaker 1: Oh, here we go. What's up? It's five minutes after

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Speaker 3: Paul is right in the world. Gorgeous outside. This is

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Speaker 3: ESPN fifteen thirty and we're at Oakley Greens. Paul Danner

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Speaker 1: Here with me at Oakley Greens.

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Speaker 3: We I have a deep appreciation now for one o'clock

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Speaker 3: Sunday games, the Mondays and Thursdays.

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Speaker 3: Throw off the equilibrium, They throw off my schedule, they

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Speaker 3: throw off my timing. And even if you get like

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Speaker 3: an iconic Thursday night game, which I'm calling Thursday Night's

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Speaker 3: game iconic, there's still the rhythm and routine of being

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Speaker 3: here on Tuesday and Paul being here on Tuesday. You

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Speaker 3: know how much we love Oakley Greens. We are pseudo outdoors.

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Speaker 3: It is gorgeous out You can be outdoors if you'd like.

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Speaker 3: We've got the outdoor Bar, the indoor bar, an unbelievable

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Speaker 3: place for watching the Bengals play for your college football

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Speaker 3: watch parties for Bengo on Mondays and Thursdays for nationally

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Speaker 3: televised games. Great place to bring your dog, fun plays

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Speaker 3: to bring your kids. They've got some Halloween theme stuff

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Speaker 3: of them looks like he's in the tackling position that

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Speaker 3: Logan Wilson tries to make. Or maybe Barrett Carter, I'm

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Speaker 3: not sure, but anyway, we're here at Oakley Greens having fun.

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Speaker 1: Paul Danner Junior's here. How is it going.

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Speaker 4: It's going great, Mo, It's good to be here. My

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Speaker 4: kids are coming up here a little bit, are they.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I think they're gonna come up here after the show

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Speaker 4: and hang out. They were famous, opportunity to run around,

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Speaker 4: get some player on time in awesome. They love it

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Speaker 4: up here.

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Speaker 1: I feel like I haven't seen you like a month.

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Speaker 1: I know, it's been such a mess. I don't feel right,

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Speaker 1: I said to you.

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Speaker 4: You know, I just I was so knocked out the

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Speaker 4: green Bay late window and we of course did the

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Speaker 4: like drive.

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Speaker 1: Everybody's attempt to get back from.

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Speaker 4: Green Bay was either late or weird flights, or we

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Speaker 4: just drove through the night. And then you get that

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Speaker 4: right into this like Thursday game and we're there. I

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Speaker 4: mean we left the stadium, Jay and I left it

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Speaker 4: like three fifteen or something really Friday morning, and then there.

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Speaker 4: The locker room was open at eleven thirty, which's fun.

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Speaker 4: I was there, Yeah, but you h I don't know

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Speaker 4: how much I was doing, but like I was there,

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Speaker 4: it's just you just you just appreciate what we have

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Speaker 4: and hopefully we can get a little bit recalibrated. It's

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Speaker 4: just been all over And then you throw that in

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Speaker 4: Dude's getting benched, dude's getting benched all over the place.

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Speaker 4: do with Joe Flacco that maybe you hadn't thought of

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Speaker 4: because it's just been chaos. Yeah, before you have time

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Speaker 4: And I feel like that wasn't just for him, that

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Speaker 3: But to me, that's the beauty of Joe Flacco because

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Speaker 3: watching him, you didn't get chaos.

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Speaker 3: It's remarkable that this is where we are. This team's

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Speaker 3: I spent some time today sort of drawing out the

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean if you look at who they play,

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Speaker 4: The AFC North now is wide open, which goes back

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Speaker 4: do not hesitate, essentially turned Green Bay into a glorified

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Speaker 4: hope that that combination gets you that win, because that

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Speaker 4: I think doubt that you thought maybe existed in Pittsburgh

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Speaker 4: there's a good chance, maybe you'd say fifty sixty seventy

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Speaker 4: It was a new level of futility every single week

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Speaker 4: the funny thing that, you know, Jay and I were

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Speaker 1: We think the offense is pretty good, and I don't

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Speaker 4: It's like, this is exactly It's in no way imaginable

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Speaker 4: that's been going on and obviously rightfully publicized at the

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Speaker 1: To ice it, can you get a stop?

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Speaker 3: And against Pittsburgh the answer was no, And against Detroit

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Speaker 3: second half, the answer was no. And the answer hasn't

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Speaker 3: I hate to do it because everybody's excited, and the

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Speaker 3: But then there's the cold water of watching my friend

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Speaker 3: Gino Stone try to chase down Pat fryermanth And there's

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Speaker 3: the story of a defense where we're benching Cam Taylor

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Speaker 3: britt he's an active he's not even active for the

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Speaker 3: seeing Al Golden just try to throw stuff against the

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Speaker 3: you know who are they gonna unload it?

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Speaker 1: The deadline and all of that.

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Speaker 4: And so.

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Speaker 1: The answer is no.

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Speaker 3: And as as much as nobody wants to hear that,

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Speaker 3: how do you conclude otherwise when you watch seven games

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Speaker 4: So much of what's happening is grasping. It just desperation,

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Speaker 4: Everybody literally the answer has been, well, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: There you go. DJ Turner is good.

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Speaker 4: And seven weeks later, you're not just the best cornerback

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Speaker 4: That's right, Charlie Goldsmith's here. Wow, Charlie not gonna hang

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Speaker 1: It's unbelievable, is it.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think the listeners would be well served if

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Speaker 1: He could definitely offer thoughts on DJ.

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Speaker 4: Here's the thing.

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Speaker 1: We spent forty five minutes breaking down DJ Turner Ta.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna hang out with him when you're done here

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Speaker 1: There are no headlines. There's nothing really going on right.

446
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Speaker 4: Not really. It's good. It's good.

447
00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:15,840
Speaker 3: Could use some some calm, yeah.

448
00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:18,280
Speaker 1: Can the Bengals acquire some help at the trade deadline?

449
00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:20,439
Speaker 4: Can they?

450
00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:20,880
Speaker 1: Yeah?

451
00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:25,520
Speaker 4: I guess they can. Should they I mean, I think

452
00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:28,159
Speaker 4: anyone else that could rush the pastor would probably be

453
00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:32,800
Speaker 4: welcome at this point. I don't know, would you what.

454
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Speaker 1: Do I acquire help at the deadline? Yeah? How much?

455
00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:38,440
Speaker 4: What would you be be willing to part? I mean

456
00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:40,000
Speaker 4: I see the interest.

457
00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:42,480
Speaker 1: Yes, I understand, would be willing to give up?

458
00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:43,199
Speaker 4: Yeah?

459
00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:43,480
Speaker 5: What?

460
00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:47,000
Speaker 4: And then to me, like I I I appreciate these questions.

461
00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:50,040
Speaker 4: I I understand, Like it's like, should they Yeah, there's

462
00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:52,439
Speaker 4: a lot of things that the team should do that

463
00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:56,520
Speaker 4: they're just not going to do though, like this, they

464
00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:58,800
Speaker 4: made their trade. Now, I could be wrong in this.

465
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Speaker 4: Maybe maybe they're just like man one pass rusher away

466
00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:08,480
Speaker 4: or an experienced veteran linebacker that could come in and

467
00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:11,679
Speaker 4: help out these young kids. Or maybe there's injuries that happened.

468
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:15,679
Speaker 4: I feel like that's usually where you see another move happen.

469
00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:18,800
Speaker 4: But they've already parted ways with some draft capital from

470
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Speaker 4: next year, so that's that's gonna make them less likely

471
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Speaker 4: to do it. They're not a team that's one trade

472
00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:28,040
Speaker 4: deadline piece away. I think it would be a matter

473
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Speaker 4: of we can't function the rest of the year, which

474
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Speaker 4: is similar to how the Khalil Herbert thing happened last

475
00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:37,440
Speaker 4: year with the injuries at running back was Zach Moss

476
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Speaker 4: to me, and I forgot about him. It happens like that,

477
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Speaker 4: right immediately forgot about he was here.

478
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Speaker 1: He was he was here.

479
00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:52,280
Speaker 4: He fumbled his first rushing attempt, and so they played

480
00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:55,800
Speaker 4: Chase Brown one hundred percent of steps. But you you

481
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Speaker 4: can do that. So that But I think that's the

482
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Speaker 4: way that it happens, like, I don't. I don't think

483
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Speaker 4: that you're looking at some they're gonna be like, you

484
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:06,439
Speaker 4: know what, let's let's go for it, right. I know

485
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:08,639
Speaker 4: people want that. I know that a lot of teams

486
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,520
Speaker 4: operate that way. And I I'm not like saying a

487
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Speaker 4: name it's right or wrong. I'm just saying the likelihood

488
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Speaker 4: of them going out and acquiring somebody. It's just I

489
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Speaker 4: don't necessarily see it at this point.

490
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Speaker 1: Don't get my hopes up, is what you're saying.

491
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Speaker 4: No, in the same way that we hear all about oh,

492
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Speaker 4: Trey Hendrickson right, like they're not going to trade him now,

493
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Speaker 4: name me, no, name me. The last time they traded

494
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Speaker 4: away a player who could help them win games this

495
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Speaker 4: year at the deadline, And I'm not counting Carson Palmer,

496
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Speaker 4: Carlos Dunloe who napalm their way out of town.

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Speaker 3: Okay, never Yeah, even in years they were talking about

498
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Speaker 3: this on the pod today, Even in years where it's

499
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Speaker 3: been extraordinarily dire, like Zach's first season at the deadline

500
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Speaker 3: they were zero to eight.

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Speaker 1: They just played in London. They didn't trade any so

502
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Speaker 1: didn't trade. In years where it has been more they

503
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Speaker 1: had guys that agent degree.

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Speaker 4: You know, I can sure calling and I'm just saying

505
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Speaker 4: like that, And that's one example.

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Speaker 3: M h.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they just it's just.

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Speaker 4: It's just very very rare.

509
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

510
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Speaker 3: I asked you last week about the Logan Wilson situation.

511
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Speaker 3: Logan Wilson still played like forty six percent of the snaps.

512
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Speaker 4: Yeah, especially against teams where they're gonna be in base

513
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Speaker 4: a lot with three linebackers.

514
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Speaker 3: He was like he was being talked about as if

515
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Speaker 3: he was never gonna play football again, but he still

516
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Speaker 3: played a fair amount. That said, what they did was significant.

517
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Speaker 3: I got to a place last week, and this is

518
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Speaker 3: after talking to you. I got to a place last

519
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Speaker 3: week where I was kind of okay with it because

520
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Speaker 3: you're gonna draft these guys. You acknowledge we need an

521
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Speaker 3: instant impact. We need instant impact from our draft picks. Well,

522
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Speaker 3: you don't get that if the guy's not playing as

523
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Speaker 3: much as possible and if there is some sort of

524
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Speaker 3: later this year benefit to a guy like Barrett Carter

525
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Speaker 3: experiencing some growing pains in the middle of it. Defense

526
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Speaker 3: the top to bottom just isn't very good. I'm kind

527
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Speaker 3: of okay with that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not okay with all the mistackles, sure, And

529
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Speaker 4: I just feel like you have a more shore tackler

530
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Speaker 4: in Logan Wilson right now. This is not saying that

531
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Speaker 4: you can't eventually end up or figure out like to

532
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Speaker 4: me it was. It's more of like, yeah, he's playing

533
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Speaker 4: whatever whatever that percentage and yeah, you know that's fine,

534
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Speaker 4: but that's still I want a more shore tackler out

535
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Speaker 4: there the majority of the time right now.

536
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Speaker 1: Like that's just with what is.

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Speaker 4: Happening, with the level of play that you're getting. The

538
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 4: mistackles are just killing them and it can be the

539
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Speaker 4: difference between the one stop right that you can have

540
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Speaker 4: and I just it just seemed a little that's where

541
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Speaker 4: the difference could be between Logan Wilson and Barrett Carter.

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Speaker 1: But I understand the like anything else.

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Speaker 4: At some point, if we're ever gonna be good, it's

544
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Speaker 4: probably gonna have to be because maybe Barrett Carter becomes

545
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Speaker 4: a guy. But then, you know, I think Demetrius Knight

546
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Speaker 4: has played where when Barrett Carter has been out there,

547
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Speaker 4: how much was he helped by the veteran pass next

548
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Speaker 4: to him? So is that a part of what's happening there?

549
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 4: Or is that circumstantial? I don't know.

550
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Speaker 1: Not paid to figure those answers out necessarily.

551
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Speaker 4: I don't. I can just tell you what I've seen,

552
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 4: and I know the last two weeks, when they've not

553
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 4: really had Logan Wilson, we have seen a substantial drop

554
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,959
Speaker 4: off in miss tackles and from the play in general,

555
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:28,640
Speaker 4: from both linebackers, not just one.

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Speaker 1: All of that is very valid.

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Speaker 3: I guess the way I looked at it is the

558
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,680
Speaker 3: Bengals have a bad defense. If they're gonna get better,

559
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,639
Speaker 3: you gotta find solutions somewhere. They're not gonna suddenly acquire

560
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,159
Speaker 3: a bunch of dudes. There aren't some dbs waiting in

561
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 3: the offing, Like, all right, let's try Barrett Carter and

562
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 3: if part of the growing pains is he misses some tackles. Okay, well,

563
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 3: our defense stinks anyway, and they don't stink because of

564
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Speaker 3: Logan Wilson. It's just if you're gonna try something new.

565
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Speaker 3: Linebacker to me is just automatically where you look. Because

566
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Speaker 3: they did draft Barret Carter. They're clearly in just play

567
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Speaker 3: the kids mode.

568
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Speaker 4: Mean, it's just look, every draft picks out here, playing

569
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 4: every draft pick except for Shamar Stewart and kind of

570
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:10,879
Speaker 4: got pulled back a little bit, but but you know,

571
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:14,399
Speaker 4: but they're all they're all out there and they're just saying, look,

572
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 4: at some point, we have to turn this roster over

573
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 4: with new life, new energy, build a new core, all

574
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:21,679
Speaker 4: of that stuff.

575
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Speaker 1: And they're doing that. They're doing that everywhere, and so

576
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Speaker 1: I get the move.

577
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Speaker 4: I get the feeling that that's part of this broader

578
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:33,680
Speaker 4: thing that they're doing. I'm not again, I just feel

579
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Speaker 4: like there's a chance, and hell, it could have been

580
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 4: that game Thursday, that that move could cost you a

581
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 4: game or two right now when you desperately needed it

582
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 4: to hang on to what to where you're currently at

583
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 4: and you do have a lot of season left to

584
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 4: get those guys in there.

585
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Speaker 1: I see both sides.

586
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Speaker 4: It's it's a terrible thing to have to ask, you know,

587
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 4: when you're in such a dire situation defensively that you're like, well,

588
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 4: let's should we just play a rookie even though this

589
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 4: guy's fine, because we just need anything else to start

590
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 4: to bubble up.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's a tough spot to be in. There's

592
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Speaker 1: no right answer necessarily.

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Speaker 3: I was at Kroger yesterday morning and the kid, probably

594
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Speaker 3: the guy in his twenties, but there was a young

595
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Speaker 3: man collecting all the shopping carts, and the shopping cart

596
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Speaker 3: that's designed for kids that kind of is modeled like

597
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Speaker 3: a car got away and.

598
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Speaker 1: He went to go corral it.

599
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:30,719
Speaker 3: And then two other shopping carts got away, and this

600
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Speaker 3: guy has these three shopping carts kind of coming at

601
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Speaker 3: him as co worker. And it reminded me of Gino

602
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 3: Stone in the secondary, because this guy was lost, he

603
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Speaker 3: didn't know what shopping cart to go after the one

604
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Speaker 3: shopping cart kind of fell over. Yeah, and I'm like,

605
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Speaker 3: all right, when I got two other decisions to make,

606
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,720
Speaker 3: that one's going to go hit a car, and it did,

607
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 3: and instead he just let the one that was kind

608
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Speaker 3: of coming right at him kind of almost knock him over.

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Speaker 1: This was like watching Geno Stone.

610
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Speaker 3: I am running out of things to compare Geno Stone too,

611
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 3: but shopping cart kid at the dent Kroger yesterday was

612
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 3: made me think of Geno. I've compared him to my dog.

613
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Speaker 3: You did compare him to your dog.

614
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 4: I was gonna ask you, has your dog's angles improved

615
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 4: more so than we've My dog.

616
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Speaker 3: Has gotten better than than Geno Stone. I think I

617
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:20,479
Speaker 3: compared him to I watched a drunk girl chase down

618
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 3: a lift downtown after the lift had gone a block

619
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Speaker 3: too far. So I was asked today and I don't

620
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Speaker 3: have the answer. How bad of the guys behind him?

621
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean apparently apparently very.

622
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Speaker 1: I mean I don't. I don't have answers.

623
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Speaker 4: I mean, this is it's it's something that we keep saying, right,

624
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Speaker 4: It's like, it's not like we weren't talking about this

625
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 4: in February, Right, It's not like we weren't talking about

626
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 4: this when you guys said we believe in you, but

627
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 4: here's your pay cut? Like, yes, this has been the

628
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Speaker 4: conversation the entire time.

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Speaker 1: It's just not taking.

630
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Speaker 4: I don't have any explanation for the sixty eight yard

631
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 4: touchdown pass.

632
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 1: I can Geno Stone is on the field.

633
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 4: Then I don't understand how that you know, if if

634
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 4: you're gonna be out here saying I don't know anything

635
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 4: else about Logan Wilson, how are you not saying I

636
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 4: don't know anything else about if you play Logan Wilson

637
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 4: in safety? Maybe that's the answer. Maybe Barrett Carter moves

638
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 4: the safe. Fine, yeah, maybe we I don't know. Maybe

639
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 4: it's PJ Jewles.

640
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Speaker 1: How bad are Tyson Anderson and Dejon Anthony?

641
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 4: Yeah? I mean well Dejon is still not on the club,

642
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 4: by the way, so uh but yeah, I think this

643
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 4: would be about I don't know, can Tyson Anderson play

644
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 4: some defense for you?

645
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 1: I think you at a certain point.

646
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 4: It's it's not like you're like, well, you know, you know,

647
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 4: Gino is such a good tackler that you don't want

648
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 4: to take him off the field. It's not that you're

649
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 4: not seeing these problems in a massive moment like what

650
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 4: happened in the Friarmith play, just not even seeing the

651
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 4: guy running down the middle of the field.

652
00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 1: I don't I don't have an answer.

653
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 4: For you on that one, other than they're clearly just

654
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 4: knowledge they think he's either better than we think he is,

655
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 4: or they just had zero belief in anything happening behind them,

656
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 4: and in which case it's like, well, then you do

657
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 4: need to be looking around at the trade deadline and

658
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 4: making some calls the same things that we said when

659
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 4: we talked about the starting level and the depth level

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Speaker 4: all off season.

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Speaker 3: They watched the films of the games after they are played, right,

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Speaker 3: I heard that. Yeah, and they sit in this room

663
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Speaker 3: and there's Geno Stone and they're like, yeah, we can

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Speaker 3: just correct the technique and we'll be okay. Like I

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Speaker 3: don't want to pick on the guy, but good god,

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Speaker 3: twenty two what are we doing?

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Speaker 4: It's and this.

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Speaker 1: Is a second year, it's second system. He's in the

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Speaker 1: sixth NFL season. Yeah, I don't.

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Speaker 4: I don't know what to do. I just think you

671
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Speaker 4: just watch the grocery carts crash into the car and

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Speaker 4: you just say, well, that's unfortunately.

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Speaker 3: Like I'm gonna want I'm gonna go to the game

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Speaker 3: on Sunday against the Jets and spend half of it

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Speaker 3: thinking of other things I've seen in my every day

676
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Speaker 3: life that I can compare Geno Stone to.

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Speaker 1: And this is getting exhausting.

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Speaker 4: It's not that hard. It's just whenever you see somebody

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Speaker 4: or something that's lost.

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Speaker 1: It's I mean it's like they're they're everywhere, They're all

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Speaker 1: around us.

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Speaker 3: Oh oh yeah, yeah, there's there's there's no there's no

683
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Speaker 3: denying that the offensive line they put Jalen Rivers in, right,

684
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Speaker 3: is this unit actually progressing? Are they being masked by

685
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Speaker 3: how quickly Joe Flacco has got rid of the ball?

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Speaker 7: Uh?

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Speaker 4: I think it's more of being masked by how quickly

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00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 4: Joe Flacco is getting getting rid of the ball. I mean,

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Speaker 4: he was two point twenty seven seconds time to throw

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Speaker 4: against Pittsburgh, which was a top ten for Flacco all times,

691
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Speaker 4: and they've been tracking that. So even by Flacco standards,

692
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 4: that was really fast getting the ball out. They're out,

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Speaker 4: they're executing that plan. Ideally, it doesn't expose your players.

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Speaker 4: It's sort of like a couple weeks ago when we

695
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 4: talked when when I had the story of talking with

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00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 4: Andrew Whitworth and we talked about that, that's who saying, See,

697
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 4: it's so hard. It's the hardest gig in the NFL

698
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 4: in terms of offensive line to block in Cincinnati because

699
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 4: of the way that things are constructed, the past heavy

700
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:13,760
Speaker 4: nature the true pass sets they're by just the plays

701
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,359
Speaker 4: that they're running quick game on, the more under center,

702
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:18,800
Speaker 4: a little bit more play action, some of that stuff

703
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,440
Speaker 4: that they're just doing a little bit more often is

704
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 4: lessening the amount of true pass sets where guys have

705
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 4: to block for a little bit longer. And yeah, guys.

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Speaker 1: Look better when they're in a little bit better situation

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Speaker 1: in terms of the.

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00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:32,879
Speaker 4: What they're asked to do every time.

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Speaker 1: And I do think they have played better.

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Speaker 4: I do think they've they've stabilized a little bit there,

711
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 4: but it's still, you know, you still have a lot

712
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 4: of the same stuff going on, but it's just not

713
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 4: as obvious. And that's just the way they need to be, Like,

714
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 4: that's what they need to be offensively. It helps when

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00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:54,360
Speaker 4: you're not in bad down and distance. Look, getting the

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00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:58,840
Speaker 4: running game going against Pittsburgh was a game changer. Like

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00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 4: if that can continue, you it keeps them out of

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00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 4: the you know, earlier this season they run all of

719
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:07,399
Speaker 4: the second and third and long situations and those guys

720
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 4: are just not going to be able to hold up

721
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:12,280
Speaker 4: like that. Very few linemen kN and you're just asking

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00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:13,840
Speaker 4: a lot. But the fact that they've been able to

723
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 4: stay in front of the sticks. Really by Flacco getting

724
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:20,319
Speaker 4: out quick, making the profit, getting your to second and

725
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,320
Speaker 4: seven or six instead of second and ten or second

726
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,400
Speaker 4: and twelve or whatever, like, it makes all the difference

727
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 4: in the world that you're making it easier on these guys.

728
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:33,359
Speaker 4: So Flacco's ability to continually find something and get rid

729
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:35,359
Speaker 4: of the ball and get something out of every play,

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Speaker 4: even if it's not exciting, has allowed life to be

731
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 4: a lot easier on those guys in front of them.

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Speaker 1: Then they're running the ball.

733
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Speaker 4: And they found it actually well, I made it sound

734
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 4: like they've been doing it for weeks. They ran it

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00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 4: really well, ran it really well, and you saw you

736
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 4: saw shades of it against Green Bay. Yeah, you saw climbers.

737
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 4: It was starting to happen a little bit. And then

738
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 4: when they finally broke it out the other day, it

739
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:02,399
Speaker 4: seemed like, Okay, now they might be onto a little

740
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 4: bit of something. And you know, the energy, the energy

741
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 4: picks up. I mean, when you go from the long

742
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:11,240
Speaker 4: of the year being thirteen and then you actually watch

743
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 4: a twenty eight and a thirty seven yarder breakout, it's

744
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 4: like watching a different sport. Yeah, and so yeah, it'll

745
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 4: it'll change things for you. And the cool thing was

746
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 4: they were talking about how much it opened up a

747
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 4: lot of other stuff where they can felt like they

748
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 4: could call more runs with pass tags on them. So

749
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Speaker 4: I feel like you're looking like you're about to make

750
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 4: fun of this. It's like a run. I'm about to

751
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 4: tell you. I'm about to tell you. So if you

752
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:38,840
Speaker 4: put if you put a tag onto the end of

753
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,919
Speaker 4: the play call, that says, okay, tag this if you want,

754
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 4: if Flacco wants to pull the ball and throw it,

755
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 4: you will put Jamar on a route rather than have

756
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 4: it just be a run play or just be a

757
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 4: pass player. Right, Jamar's touchdown was a tag. Really, that

758
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:56,359
Speaker 4: was a run play called that Flacco decided, I don't

759
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 4: like the run as much Jamar's running in the pylon.

760
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:00,839
Speaker 4: I'm gonna throw the ball out there to them. And

761
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 4: they can do that more often when they're in better

762
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Speaker 4: situations in terms of UH, in terms of down and distance,

763
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:08,840
Speaker 4: or just the run games going good enough that you

764
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 4: can call those and know that you can have a

765
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Speaker 4: tag for a pass on the back end of the

766
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Speaker 4: play call, which Flacco just hears and just belts it

767
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:17,800
Speaker 4: out and decides to make the play, which is another

768
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:18,879
Speaker 4: kind of kudos to.

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Speaker 1: Joe Flacco moment there past tags, pastags.

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Speaker 4: I mean that's what I'm calling them. I mean that's

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Speaker 4: what that's how it was referenced by pitchy pasts.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're good, all right. I got a problem with that.

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00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, good, But I know I didn't want to

774
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:32,839
Speaker 4: turn on a thing or it turns into like three

775
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Speaker 4: years of you making fun of run fits.

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00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 1: Oh, that's gonna be more than three years. But we're

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Speaker 1: going on three years. That's that's that's gonna be.

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Speaker 5: On.

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Speaker 1: I haven't heard about run fits. You probably will, Oh,

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm sure. Yeah, as long as the composition of

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00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 1: the defense reins run fits, crack or place, that's a

782
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 1: good one.

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Speaker 3: All Right, you and Charlie can go talk about that.

784
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Speaker 3: Thank you as always. We'll see you next week. Read

785
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 3: Paul Danner Junior at the Athletic dot com. You could

786
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 3: get the podcast The Growler, as we say where you

787
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 3: get your podcasts.

788
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 1: I'm on it today, Felic. I hadn't been on in

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Speaker 1: a while.

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Speaker 4: It happen a while.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I haven't back in the routine. We even

792
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Speaker 1: talked about aliens.

793
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Speaker 3: We did, we did which we're going to talk about

794
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Speaker 3: a lot more from that documentary airs. Follow Paul on

795
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Speaker 3: Twitter at lo no at Paul Danner Junior.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's me.

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Speaker 7: God.

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Speaker 4: Thanks.

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