1 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:10,440 Speaker 1: It almost feels like a Freedom Friday. 2 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:13,160 Speaker 2: Some of the talkbacks that we've received, I'll address these 3 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:16,759 Speaker 2: coming up. Some really good questions coming from friends of 4 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:19,800 Speaker 2: the show here on Twin Cities News Talk Am eleven 5 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:21,760 Speaker 2: thirty one oh three five FM from the sixty five 6 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:24,599 Speaker 2: to one Carpet plus Next Day Install Studios. My name 7 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 2: is John Justice. Will bring on Rob Door from the 8 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 2: Minnesota Gun Owner's Caucus. As a matter of fact, let 9 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 2: me play this one because I think Rob can help 10 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 2: with a bit of commentary on this. We were talking 11 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:40,600 Speaker 2: fraud just a moment ago. More questions raised about the 12 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 2: SNAP of issuances posted COVID based off of the Walls 13 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:49,880 Speaker 2: administration's response to basically. 14 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:51,159 Speaker 1: Saying there were clerical errors. 15 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 2: For lack of a better way to put it, when 16 00:00:56,200 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 2: it comes to this spike, the spike was com pandemic 17 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:06,320 Speaker 2: era reporting mistakes. Not to increase to benefit distribution does 18 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 2: not mean these tax dollars were mistakingly dolda out in 19 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 2: the one hundred and seventy four percent increase. Pam Altendorf, 20 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:16,920 Speaker 2: the representative said that if it's true, they are now 21 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 2: admitting to potentially submitting four plus years of SNAP records incorrectly. 22 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:23,759 Speaker 1: To the USDA. At best, it's. 23 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 2: Another example of the mismanagement and dysfunction within the Watson administration. 24 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 2: At worst, it's an attempt to conceal the growing web 25 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 2: of fraud that continues to unravel under the governor's watch. 26 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:41,119 Speaker 1: Hey, could you get this talk back to John, Please 27 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 1: get right here. Why don't they just do a simple 28 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 1: audit of the Minnesota. 29 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 3: Legislature and all the programs. 30 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 1: Every transaction leaves a trail. 31 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 2: Just get on it, stiff it out, and let's put 32 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 2: some people in jail. 33 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 1: We are tired of this. 34 00:01:57,200 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 4: Have a good day. 35 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 2: Well, they do do audits, but there's also a process. 36 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 1: Involved in all of this. 37 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 2: And as we've seen, just because you end up exposing fraud, 38 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 2: it doesn't mean you could immediately go and just lock 39 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:14,360 Speaker 2: somebody up. 40 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 1: I mean, it's an over generalization. I know what it 41 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 1: is you're referring to. 42 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:21,919 Speaker 2: But Rob Dorr a legal expert Minnesota Gun Owners Caucus 43 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 2: as well. 44 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:25,079 Speaker 1: You know, Rob, maybe you can speak to this. 45 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:29,240 Speaker 2: I mean, we do audits at the legislative level of 46 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 2: these different programs, but there's also, you know, a process 47 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:34,519 Speaker 2: involved when you do these things, and it doesn't mean 48 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 2: that you're immediately going to see accountability when there is 49 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 2: some error in a particular program. 50 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:44,799 Speaker 3: Correct, Yeah, I mean there is the Office of the 51 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 3: Legislative Auditor that you know, Jim Nobles ran for years, 52 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:53,800 Speaker 3: and he uncovers a ton of you know, misappropriations, but 53 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 3: they have no enforcement ability. All they do is write reports. 54 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 3: Then it's up to you know, the state government to 55 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:05,639 Speaker 3: take enforcement actions. And you know, shockingly, the Walls administration 56 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 3: has been reluctant to take action against itself for its 57 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 3: own fraudulent actions. 58 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 2: Well, and then you actually have in certain circumstances, and 59 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:15,920 Speaker 2: we won't get in all the details raw, but you 60 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:18,520 Speaker 2: do have the Department of Justice that comes in and 61 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 2: steps in. But even then you're, you know, you're you're 62 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 2: sometimes limited to just investigations unless there's something that ends 63 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:29,520 Speaker 2: up reaching the level where somebody can be charged with something. 64 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 1: So I think it's a long way of saying that. 65 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 2: There's a lot being done, even though it's not yielding 66 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 2: the results that people so often want to see, especially 67 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 2: given the amount of fraud that we've uncovered here in 68 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 2: the state of Minnesota. You know, we've been talking about 69 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 2: this forever and this is nothing you know, nothing new 70 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 2: in terms of the conversations that we've had. It just 71 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 2: continues to demonstrate how frustrated people are. 72 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 3: Rob. You know this, yeah, well, and unfortunately, running a 73 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 3: really bad state program and doling out lots of money 74 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 3: to people who don't deserve it isn't a crime if 75 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 3: the legislature authorized it. So you know, now we're not 76 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 3: in the criminal zone. We're in an electoral accountability zone. 77 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 3: And you know there's some great candidates running to try 78 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 3: to change that status. 79 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:18,040 Speaker 2: Quote before Rob, we dive into the firearmor ordinances, whether 80 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:19,719 Speaker 2: it's Saint Paul or DNA. 81 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:22,279 Speaker 1: Let's revisit this just briefly. 82 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:25,600 Speaker 2: The Upper Midwest Law Center and I believe you guys 83 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 2: were involved in the Minnesota gun Owners Caucus as well, 84 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 2: but securing another victory for Minnesota and the Minnesota constitution 85 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 2: and the Ramsey County District Court denied the state's motion 86 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:38,720 Speaker 2: to stay the ruling that previously struck down the binary 87 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:43,279 Speaker 2: trigger ban. So this means the provision unconstitutionally jammed into 88 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 2: the fourteen hundred plus page twenty twenty four omnibus bill 89 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 2: remains unenforceable. So one Rob, curious to get your thoughts 90 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 2: on the court's decision. But two, what does this mean 91 00:04:57,320 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 2: for the future in total of that twenty four on 92 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 2: the bus bill. 93 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, so you know kind of what happened with this 94 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 3: is we won at district court level and the they 95 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:13,799 Speaker 3: said that the the omnibus provision or the binary trigger provision, 96 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 3: violated the single subject clause. And Judge Castro noted that there, 97 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:20,559 Speaker 3: you know, the the there's problems all throughout the bill, 98 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 3: but exercising judicial restraint, he he only gave relief on 99 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 3: the area that we had standing on, which would be 100 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:32,040 Speaker 3: the gun you know, the gun provisions, and the only 101 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 3: gun provision was the binary trigger portion. The state then 102 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 3: appeals that they tried to get the Supreme Court to 103 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 3: hear it on expedited review. Supreme Court said no, the 104 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 3: Minnesota Supreme Court, so they lost there, and then they 105 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 3: went back to Judge Castro and said, well, what we 106 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:52,480 Speaker 3: wanted you to continue enforcing the binary trigger ban until 107 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 3: this case works out. And what Judge Castro clapped back 108 00:05:56,440 --> 00:06:01,359 Speaker 3: in very abrupt fashion and said that it was the 109 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 3: state sales to realize that the binary trigger provision was 110 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 3: never constitutionally passed. And then he goes and says it 111 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 3: was only at a sheer judicial restraint as directed by 112 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 3: our Supreme Court. That I didn't just toss out the 113 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 3: whole Omnibus bill. So we've crossed appealed now saying that 114 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 3: we want the whole Omnibus bill struck and down. And 115 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 3: that's where we're at right now. So the state was 116 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:31,040 Speaker 3: trying to seek to reinstate the binary trigger band. Judkrastro said, no, 117 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 3: you guys seem to don't understand that. Don't seem to 118 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 3: understand that the whole thing was illegally passed to begin with. 119 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 2: So can you go back to the it was only 120 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 2: through judicial restraint as guided and directed by the Supreme Court. 121 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 2: So I assume that means the judge could have gone 122 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 2: and struck down the entire Omnibus bill, but he's he 123 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 2: basically didn't because he was following suit with the state 124 00:06:57,400 --> 00:06:58,040 Speaker 2: Supreme Court. 125 00:06:58,080 --> 00:06:58,359 Speaker 3: Correct. 126 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 2: I know, I'm just basically rewarding what was here. But 127 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 2: can you provide a little clarityal separation. 128 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 3: There's a general separation of powers understanding that judges aren't 129 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 3: going to go beyond uh, they're what the case in 130 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 3: front of them addresses, because otherwise you just end up 131 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 3: in a world where where rogue judges decide to go 132 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 3: well beyond whatever the allegations are in the in the 133 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 3: complaint and start doing things, you know, striking down bills 134 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 3: or enforcing government actions that weren't even a controversy that 135 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 3: was brought in front of them. So the Supreme Court 136 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 3: of Minnesota, in the Supreme Court of the United States, 137 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 3: generally wants judges to be as narrowly tailored in their 138 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 3: decisions as possible to the controversy in front of them. 139 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 1: Makes sense. 140 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 2: I'm glad I asked and thank you for the insight. 141 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 2: Talking with Rob Dorf from the Minnesota Gun Owner's Caucus, 142 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 2: So speak about what happened yesterday. The City of Saint 143 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 2: Paul moved forward with it's illegal gun ban ordinance, directly 144 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 2: violating Minnesota and the firearm preemption statutes. So talk about 145 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 2: what the ordinance, what was entailed in the ordinance itself 146 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 2: from Saint Paul, and what was the legal grounds of 147 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 2: which the Minnesota Gun Owners Caucus went to sue. 148 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, so right now, the City of Saint Paul, they 149 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 3: passed this ordinance which bans possession. Now they keep saying 150 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 3: public possession, but that's not what the ordinance says it 151 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 3: bans possession of assault weapons, any magazines with a capacity 152 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 3: of over twenty rounds, any guns that don't have a 153 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 3: serial number, and then you know, you can't carry in 154 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 3: public sensitive places like libraries, the Como Park and places 155 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 3: like that. So they have all of these provisions in there. 156 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 3: But the problem is that state law says that only 157 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 3: the state legislature can establish firearms laws in Minnesota, and 158 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 3: it says that the cities and local units of government 159 00:08:57,200 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 3: can't do that, and so that one of the issues. 160 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 3: But the other issue is they attempted to in order 161 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:10,679 Speaker 3: to evade judicial review to find that their law wasn't 162 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:15,200 Speaker 3: constitutional or was it in compliance with Minnesota statutes, put 163 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 3: in this zombie provision that says, well, only after the 164 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:22,600 Speaker 3: state repeals preemption can this go into effect. But in 165 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 3: the language of the ordinance, it says it goes into 166 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:28,600 Speaker 3: effect within thirty days. And that's unconstitutionally vague. So we 167 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:33,200 Speaker 3: suit on numerous grounds, one that it violates preemption, actually 168 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 3: two levels of preemption. One that it's unconstitutionally vague, and 169 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 3: we're seeking on seeking a court injunction declaring it invalid. 170 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 1: So let's also move over. 171 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 2: I have some questions regarding the let's also move over 172 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:50,840 Speaker 2: to what's taking place in the city of Dyna, because 173 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:53,680 Speaker 2: they are also looking to pass an ordinance that attempts 174 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:59,319 Speaker 2: to regulate firearms. I assume the rationale for a potential 175 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 2: lawsuit the Minnesota Gun Owners Caucus to the City of 176 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 2: Designa would be under the same guys of what you 177 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 2: just mentioned relating to Saint Paul. 178 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:10,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, if you remember, you know, about a 179 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:15,080 Speaker 3: month ago, to Melvin Carter and Jacob Frye all, you know, 180 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 3: went up on siege with a bunch of mayors talking about, 181 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 3: you know, how they want to do something on you know, 182 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:26,719 Speaker 3: gun violence prevention or whatever. And this is their response 183 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 3: is they've got a coalition of cities that are preparing 184 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:34,480 Speaker 3: to pass illegal ordinances under a very shady legal theory. 185 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 3: Uh that you know that it doesn't harm people until 186 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 3: it's enforced, but the mere act of a city passing 187 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 3: an ordinance that it has no authority to pass arms 188 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 3: our members and should harm everybody. We should all expect 189 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 3: that our our city councils and mayors are not little 190 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:56,440 Speaker 3: kings and queens of their fesdom that they're going to 191 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 3: follow state laws. 192 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:01,959 Speaker 1: So where do so where do both of these rests? 193 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 5: Now? 194 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 2: When is he Dinah supposed to move forward with their 195 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 2: with their ordinance? 196 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 3: So I think it's being introduced on the eighteenth, and 197 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 3: then you know the they have to have three separate readings, 198 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 3: so there's introduction and then there's a second reading with 199 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:19,840 Speaker 3: public comment, and then there's a third stage, which is 200 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:23,440 Speaker 3: a final passage. Saint Paul had their final passage last night, 201 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 3: and then you know we we sued them seven minutes later. 202 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 3: We would have been quicker except Mayor Melvin Carter was 203 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:31,200 Speaker 3: nowhere to be found in the building, so we had 204 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 3: to serve the city clerk. 205 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 2: So so where do you think this is going to go? Well, 206 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 2: I mean, let me let me ask you this question 207 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 2: before we go with sort of timelines in your mind. 208 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 2: Rob Dorr again from the Minnesota Gun Owners Caucus. You know, 209 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:47,319 Speaker 2: the cities, they know what they're doing here. I mean, 210 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 2: is this all just political theater in there moving forward 211 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 2: with these ordinances? I mean, what ultimately is the goal here? 212 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:58,319 Speaker 2: Is it to bolster Governor Tim Walls in his town 213 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:00,680 Speaker 2: halls while he still refuses to go and call for 214 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:03,319 Speaker 2: a special session. I'm curious your thoughts on motivation. 215 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:08,319 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, these cities don't like the fact that 216 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 3: this that their authority is limited by state law in 217 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 3: the Minnesota state Constitution. So in order to you know, 218 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 3: it is all theater because they're claiming not to want 219 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 3: to enforce this. But you know that's that's problematic. You 220 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:25,840 Speaker 3: can't just pass a law, have it enacted, and then 221 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:28,040 Speaker 3: think we pinky swear we're not going to enforce it. 222 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:31,080 Speaker 3: I can understand why citizens that don't find comfort in that. 223 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 3: It is all symbolic. Even the aDNA City attorney sent 224 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 3: a memo, we got this through Data Practices Act, sent 225 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 3: a memo to the council saying, you guys, shouldn't do 226 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 3: this because you're going to get sued. It's going to 227 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 3: waste city resources. Just do a resolution instead. So even 228 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 3: their own legal counsel is telling them not to do 229 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 3: what they're doing, but they're going along because they really 230 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:54,960 Speaker 3: want that messaging that you know, that they're taking a 231 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 3: stand or whatever to satisfy the extremities of their base. 232 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:02,079 Speaker 2: So if the judge doesn't rule in your favor, I mean, 233 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:06,080 Speaker 2: what does that mean in terms of moving forward in 234 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 2: the future. If the courts don't side with your with 235 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 2: your lawsuit, then they allow these cities to move forward 236 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:15,079 Speaker 2: with these ordinances. I mean, what does that mean? What 237 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:18,000 Speaker 2: are sort of the unintended consequences of that in your mind? 238 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:22,719 Speaker 3: So the biggest risk for our lawsuit is something called ripeness, 239 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 3: and we knew that from the start, and we're prepared 240 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:28,280 Speaker 3: to have that fight and have that argument. There's no 241 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:31,439 Speaker 3: question that the statute violates state law. If a court 242 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:35,559 Speaker 3: looks at that that that's going to be absolutely clear. 243 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 3: And I can't and will absolutely take that fight all 244 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:40,960 Speaker 3: the way to the Supreme Court, who has ruled on 245 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 3: similar cases like this that preemption means that the cities 246 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:46,960 Speaker 3: can't do these things. So if we get that far, 247 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 3: what the cities are going to try to do is say, well, hey, 248 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 3: this is you know, nobody's actually been harmed by this 249 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 3: because we put in this little pinky promise that we're 250 00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:59,320 Speaker 3: not going to enforce it. I you know, we've got 251 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 3: a plan to try to try to do that, but 252 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 3: they're going to try to get it tossed on procedural 253 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:06,200 Speaker 3: grounds without addressing the actual merits of the lawsuit. 254 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 2: Robed Door from the Minnesota Gun Owners Caucus. Thank you 255 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:12,000 Speaker 2: for the time this morning. Anything that you would like 256 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 2: to mention before I. 257 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:14,200 Speaker 1: Let you go today. 258 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, so you know these are our legal fights. Even 259 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 3: though you know I'm doing the lawyering work on these, 260 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 3: we still have to you know, get higher outside council, 261 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 3: higher process servers, hire legal researchers to help us out. 262 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 3: To anybody who appreciates that we're planning on suing every 263 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 3: one of these seventeen cities. If you if you want 264 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 3: us to stop it in your city, we could really 265 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 3: use some financial support. You can go to gun Owners 266 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 3: dot MN to make a donation towards that effort. 267 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 2: Rob Door, Thanks buddy, I appreciate the time and the insight. 268 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 1: Have a great one. We'll talk soon. 269 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 3: Thanks. John. 270 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 2: Appreciate you your talkbacks coming out talk back of the 271 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 2: day just after the bottom of the hour. Also, how 272 00:14:56,360 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 2: the DFL trifecta tab fee hike is hitting a ardability 273 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 2: for Minnesota. 274 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 1: And that's right. 275 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 2: The trifecta elections have consequences. You're paying more for your tabs. Also, 276 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 2: I had commentary a while back relating to all of 277 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 2: the e vehicles and the speed at which they travel 278 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 2: on our streets and sidewalks a little level of concern 279 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 2: regarding that I'm not the only one. And now there's 280 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 2: a woman actually pushing for a state law to regulate 281 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:25,360 Speaker 2: certain e bikes. 282 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 1: We'll get into that coming up. 283 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 2: Here on Twidnesday's News Talk AM eleven thirty and one 284 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 2: oh three five FM. 285 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 6: Why does conservative radio, conservative TV always talk about mainstream media? 286 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 1: How large is your audience. 287 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 6: Versus you know, the mainstream media's. How large is you 288 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 6: know Fox News audience? How large is Beck's audience? And 289 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 6: yet all these outlets talk about the mainstream media, which 290 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 6: I suspect isn't as large. It's just curious. 291 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 1: It's a good question. 292 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 2: I'll try to not make it complicated here on the 293 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 2: answer in Twin City's News Talk from the six five 294 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 2: to one Carpet Next Day Install Studios. I can't give 295 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 2: you the numbers like I could sit here and break 296 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 2: down Nielsen numbers relating to ratings, streaming numbers, downloads of podcasts, 297 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:29,120 Speaker 2: and that kind of speaks to the answer. 298 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:33,000 Speaker 1: It's not as simple as it used to be. It's 299 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 1: not a. 300 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 2: Matter anymore of how many individuals are actually going and 301 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 2: tuning in to a particular outlet, because it's all been 302 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 2: segmented when it comes to the mainstream media, and I 303 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 2: will get to an answer to your question. Again this 304 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 2: is a bit complicated, but when it comes to the 305 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:56,040 Speaker 2: mainstream media, their audiences have diminished greatly, but they found 306 00:16:56,200 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 2: other ways in order to go and reach audiences and 307 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:06,440 Speaker 2: therefore ultimately go and sell advertising clips that they share online. 308 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:08,680 Speaker 1: SNL does the same thing. 309 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 2: It's a lot like when you go and watch a debate, 310 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 2: where you have millions of people potentially tuning into a debate, 311 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:20,399 Speaker 2: but what ultimately matters to the candidates is those soundbites 312 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:22,959 Speaker 2: that they can get and they can post on various 313 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 2: social media outlets. Mainstream media does the same thing. So 314 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:29,880 Speaker 2: the totality of numbers of an audience isn't limited anymore 315 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:33,399 Speaker 2: in terms of the importance of that audience to just 316 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 2: who is tuning in in that moment, you know, relating 317 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:42,520 Speaker 2: to mainstream media versus political commentary. And I would still 318 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:46,960 Speaker 2: say that mainstream media has more viewers, but again it's segmented. 319 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 2: We talk about it because that is a place where 320 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:54,120 Speaker 2: people consume their news and where they continue to hear 321 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:58,359 Speaker 2: the sound bites from politicians and other individuals, not just 322 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:01,200 Speaker 2: when they're watching the mainstream media, but when they're online 323 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:04,440 Speaker 2: on various social media platforms. So that's why we continue 324 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:07,360 Speaker 2: to talk about the mainstream media. When I mentioned that, 325 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:10,320 Speaker 2: I'm not just talking about the show that happens to 326 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:14,160 Speaker 2: be on CNN or MSNBC or Fox News or ABC 327 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 2: right now. I'm talking about the content that they perpetuate 328 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:22,880 Speaker 2: that goes beyond just watching a particular show in the moment, 329 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:29,200 Speaker 2: as it is spread across multiple platforms that people go 330 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 2: and use in different ways to consume their news. So 331 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:36,639 Speaker 2: I hope that's an answer to your question and a 332 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:39,240 Speaker 2: preview of a Freedom Friday. 333 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 7: You know, a month ago, John, I was laughing at 334 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:45,440 Speaker 7: all these no Kings protests, But I guess I was wrong. 335 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:47,720 Speaker 7: Just in the city of Saint Paul, they're getting ready 336 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:51,480 Speaker 7: to pass an ordinance. They know it's on constitutional I 337 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:53,480 Speaker 7: guess their kings. 338 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, the no Kings argument was always dumb, as is 339 00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 2: this person here from Alpha News speaking of no Kings 340 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:03,919 Speaker 2: when cities No King's protester, an organizer against President Donald Trump, 341 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 2: is a convicted sex offender who appears to be presenting 342 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:09,800 Speaker 2: himself using a name other than the one that he 343 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:16,640 Speaker 2: was convicted under huh oh. David Anthony Wickland, who goes 344 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 2: by David Larkland on social media and in media reports, 345 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:24,359 Speaker 2: was listed as one of the four organizers behind the 346 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:27,199 Speaker 2: October eighteenth No Kings protest that took place at the 347 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 2: Lakeview Terrace Park near the border of Robinsdale and North Minneapolis, 348 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 2: which was also attended by DFLLOW representative Mike Freiberg. Wickland, 349 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:40,040 Speaker 2: forty three, was convicted in the Hennepin County District Court 350 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 2: in September of twenty two on a felony count or 351 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:48,159 Speaker 2: fourth decree a degree criminal sexual conduct involving massage or 352 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 2: bodywork for hire salacious. The charges stemmed from a case 353 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:56,680 Speaker 2: filed in twenty twenty one that states that Wickland sexually 354 00:19:57,160 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 2: I can't. 355 00:19:57,480 --> 00:19:58,120 Speaker 1: Say that. 356 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 2: Basically did something inappropriate to a client multiple times during 357 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:06,919 Speaker 2: a massage at one particular massage parlor. 358 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 1: I'm not going to mention the name of it here. 359 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:11,440 Speaker 2: When later questioned by police about the incident, Wickland said 360 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:15,360 Speaker 2: that he thought the victim was into it and admitted 361 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 2: that he crossed the line based on the mixed signals 362 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:25,159 Speaker 2: mm hmmm. Wickland was offered a plea deal in the case. 363 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:27,200 Speaker 2: They called for a day of execution on the twenty 364 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 2: four month prison sentence. Wickland was instead sentenced to sixty 365 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:33,119 Speaker 2: days in the workhouse and was placed on probation for 366 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 2: three years, which ended in September of this year. What's 367 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:40,919 Speaker 2: the overall under that he had like signs relating to 368 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:43,159 Speaker 2: claiming that President Donald Trump was a sex offender just 369 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:46,439 Speaker 2: out of curiosity. I wonder if he's who left the 370 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:49,320 Speaker 2: talkback earlier today had a couple of those from a 371 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:53,160 Speaker 2: foe of the show. At the time of his conviction, 372 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:57,240 Speaker 2: Wickland was required to register as a predatory offender and 373 00:20:57,359 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 2: was ordered to attend a sex offender program. It's unclear 374 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 2: what Wickland is still under the requirement to register as 375 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 2: a predatory offender. Around the time of sentencing, Wickland announced 376 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:09,400 Speaker 2: on social media that he was no longer taking massage 377 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:12,720 Speaker 2: appointment so thanks for letting us know their dude, you're. 378 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:13,720 Speaker 1: Fascinating to talk to. 379 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:17,320 Speaker 2: He was focusing on other business areas, but he made 380 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:20,320 Speaker 2: no mention of the criminal charge or conviction. According to 381 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 2: public records contained by the Secretary of State's website, Wickland 382 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 2: still owns this particular massage therapy location under a different name. 383 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:32,159 Speaker 2: The state of Minneapolis does not require massage therapists to 384 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 2: be licensed, really, so like I could just go open 385 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:41,680 Speaker 2: a massage. I can just go I'm a masseuse. Can 386 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:45,520 Speaker 2: I call myself messuse? Or do you need a license 387 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:49,240 Speaker 2: for that as well? The city of Minneapolis does have 388 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 2: a requirement that massage massage of businesses be licensed, but 389 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 2: no requirement that individual providers need to be licensed. 390 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:58,160 Speaker 1: So do you have to like give a massage to. 391 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:03,359 Speaker 2: The individual that issues the license to determine whether or 392 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:08,719 Speaker 2: not you your good messups? Probably not the most important 393 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 2: aspect of this particular story. Recently, Wickland Larkland's Facebook social 394 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:16,679 Speaker 2: media page has been filled with anti Trump messaging and 395 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 2: the promotion of the No King's protest events, and indicates 396 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:23,360 Speaker 2: that he's holding weekly protests against Trump at the Victory 397 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:26,960 Speaker 2: Memorial Parkway flagpole near his home and work. So you 398 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:30,440 Speaker 2: want to go hang out with a potential sex offender 399 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 2: and alleged messuse, you can go and take part in 400 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 2: that as as well. All right, coming up, we do 401 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:39,960 Speaker 2: have your talk back of the day and we'll get 402 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:44,359 Speaker 2: into Minnesota's Minnesota's discovering the many ways in which the 403 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:48,159 Speaker 2: historic trifecta in twenty twenty three has hit them in 404 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 2: the pocketbook for years. 405 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 8: I just paid for my twenty twenty six tabs on 406 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:57,720 Speaker 8: my ten year old vehicle. The few was only thirty dollars, 407 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 8: but then again, there was a text charge of two 408 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 8: twenty five, a whewitch tax of twenty, a filing fee 409 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:10,800 Speaker 8: of eight dollars, and a local office surcharge of a dollar. 410 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:14,439 Speaker 8: But if you pay through the mail, you don't have 411 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 8: to pay that local office surcharge. 412 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 2: Whoop Twin Cities News Talk Am eleven thirty one oh 413 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 2: three five FM, final segment four Thursday tomorrow. 414 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:36,119 Speaker 1: On the show. 415 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:44,760 Speaker 2: Max Rymer is out again, I know, so back in studio. 416 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:46,680 Speaker 1: Ak Kamar will be joining us, and. 417 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 2: Also the Salt and Pepper of Minnesota Podcasting, Catherine Johnson 418 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:54,200 Speaker 2: and Grace Keating will both be in studio once again 419 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:56,199 Speaker 2: for a Freedom Friday. And of course you're on and 420 00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:59,480 Speaker 2: off topic comments all morning long. Today's been a little 421 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:02,960 Speaker 2: bit of a preview of that. I very much appreciate 422 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:04,520 Speaker 2: all your comments. It is time to get to your 423 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:07,159 Speaker 2: talkback of the day, brought to you by Mini Leaf. 424 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 2: Mini leaf means quality. Head on over to m I 425 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,240 Speaker 2: n N E l e AF dot com and check 426 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 2: out all of their amazing products. Here is your talkback 427 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,160 Speaker 2: of the day. 428 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:24,920 Speaker 5: Hey Don, great show as always, you said, do do 429 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 5: I know you caught it? 430 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 2: I have a great day, I did. I'm a child. 431 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:35,600 Speaker 2: I may be fifty three. 432 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 1: I think I'm fifty three. When you get older, you 433 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:42,400 Speaker 1: just you do it. You want to forget. I think 434 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:43,080 Speaker 1: I'm fifty three. 435 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:46,120 Speaker 2: Mentally, I don't think I've really maentured beyond the age 436 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:49,119 Speaker 2: of sixteen. Thank you for the comment from the iart 437 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:52,240 Speaker 2: radio app here on Twin City's News Talking Again. That's 438 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 2: Talkback of the Day is brought to you by minileaf 439 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:56,800 Speaker 2: and minileaf dot com. 440 00:24:56,960 --> 00:25:01,720 Speaker 4: So this weekend, I was watching unchill Ldrin's YouTube channel 441 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,960 Speaker 4: with my son Okay, who is called Milo wind Ship 442 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:07,639 Speaker 4: all right, and it's a bunch of guys that are 443 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:12,240 Speaker 4: playing a game Minecraft, and every single advertisement that popped 444 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:16,920 Speaker 4: up was an anti Trump attack ad accusing the president 445 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:17,520 Speaker 4: of lying. 446 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:20,360 Speaker 1: And this is being targeted at five year olds. 447 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 2: Will technically it's being targeted at you. You just happen 448 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:31,480 Speaker 2: to be there with the five year old. They assume 449 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:35,120 Speaker 2: that the children's YouTube channel is going to be monitored 450 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:38,479 Speaker 2: by parents as well. I understand what you're saying, and 451 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:41,840 Speaker 2: make no mistake, they're trying to get to individuals as 452 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:45,040 Speaker 2: young as they possibly can. But also the mentality here, 453 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 2: just from a marketing standpoint, would be this is also 454 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:51,159 Speaker 2: targeted to the parents that are watching along with you. 455 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:56,960 Speaker 2: Let's go here, John Feeland, American Experiment. Minnesotans will be 456 00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:01,159 Speaker 2: discovering the many history could trifecta twenty the many ways 457 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:04,000 Speaker 2: the historic trifecta of twenty twenty three hit them in 458 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 2: the pocketbook, and you'll be dealing with this for years. 459 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:09,360 Speaker 2: Not only did the DFL blow through a budget serplus 460 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:12,359 Speaker 2: of eighteen billion, but it hiked to taxes and fees 461 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:15,159 Speaker 2: by another ten billion and what was already one of 462 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 2: the most highly taxed states in America. Walls doesn't like 463 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:21,159 Speaker 2: to go and tout that particular data point relating to 464 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:25,640 Speaker 2: the livability of Minnesota. So back in February of twenty three, 465 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:29,320 Speaker 2: it was written that one particular bill that was introduced 466 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:32,879 Speaker 2: included Governor Tim walls proposed to transportation budget for the 467 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:36,960 Speaker 2: next two years. The provision that would raise the license 468 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:39,600 Speaker 2: tab of fee in the first year of a car's 469 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:43,359 Speaker 2: life by basing the tax on one hundred and sixty 470 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:49,879 Speaker 2: percent of the manufacturers suggested retail price. Democrats are playing 471 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:54,919 Speaker 2: games with the depreciation schedule in order to make dubious claims. 472 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:56,880 Speaker 2: And again this goes back to February of twenty three 473 00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:01,679 Speaker 2: that the measure is actually a tax cut, as the 474 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 2: tax rate remains unchanged while the minimum tax that was 475 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 2: introduced by five dollars per year. So those changes took 476 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:12,359 Speaker 2: effect for the calendar year of twenty twenty four. But 477 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 2: the tab fee increase is make no mistake, a sixty 478 00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:21,359 Speaker 2: percent tax hike in year one and more hikes in 479 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:25,200 Speaker 2: years two through ten of now that which we are 480 00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 2: moving through. The tax increase will add hundreds of dollars 481 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,160 Speaker 2: to the cost of middle class ownership at a time 482 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:36,520 Speaker 2: of record state budget surpluses. The cost of owning a 483 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:38,960 Speaker 2: forty thousand dollars car would go up by nearly eight 484 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 2: hundred dollars. This amount is in addition to the thousands 485 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:49,040 Speaker 2: of dollars in taxes and fees you pay for just 486 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:54,080 Speaker 2: just to drive the car off the off the lot. Honestly, 487 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:57,000 Speaker 2: I never looked at the breakdown or anything but my 488 00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:01,800 Speaker 2: thirteen year old car I'm paying your bucks or tabs 489 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 2: on me. 490 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:05,720 Speaker 1: Now, maybe I'm going something wrong. 491 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:10,639 Speaker 2: So Center of the American Experiment tried to fight this 492 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:14,959 Speaker 2: with the don't jack the tax campaign, not successful. Unfortunately, 493 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:19,040 Speaker 2: the measure became law with support from about every single Democrat, 494 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,480 Speaker 2: including those moderates that we always hear talked about. So 495 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:26,600 Speaker 2: last week on Channel five, Tom Hauser producer report titled 496 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,080 Speaker 2: wonder why your license tab fees aren't going away? 497 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:29,919 Speaker 1: Here's why? 498 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,960 Speaker 2: Wherein they say, like many Minnesotans who owned vehicles less 499 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,200 Speaker 2: than five years old, you've noticed your license tabs are 500 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:40,280 Speaker 2: not decreasing in cost every year like they did in 501 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:43,000 Speaker 2: the past as your vehicle ages. 502 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:46,880 Speaker 1: So I just can't get my head around it. 503 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 2: I don't understand understand the mat, said one car owner, 504 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:54,000 Speaker 2: expressing frustration. The state records showed that the state portion 505 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 2: of this individual's tab fees has stayed the same three 506 00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 2: hundred and ninety eight dollars in twenty four and twenty five, 507 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:04,040 Speaker 2: and for tabs he's already purchased for twenty six. Tab 508 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:07,920 Speaker 2: fees used to tumble down pretty dramatically as the car aged, 509 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:11,840 Speaker 2: and I'm not seeing that anymore, says Scott Lambert of 510 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 2: the Minnesota Auto Dealers Association spot checking dozens of late 511 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:20,240 Speaker 2: model vehicles using an online tool through the Minnesota Driver 512 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:22,600 Speaker 2: and Vehicle Services website. It allows you to see the 513 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:25,440 Speaker 2: cost of tabs for any vehicle by simply entering the 514 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:28,680 Speaker 2: license plate number. No information about the owner pops up, 515 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:30,800 Speaker 2: just the tab cost. And what they found is that 516 00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,640 Speaker 2: most vehicles purchased in twenty twenty are paying higher tab 517 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,480 Speaker 2: fees than before, and they're either not going down at 518 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:38,680 Speaker 2: all or very little. So what is causing this hit 519 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:42,520 Speaker 2: of affordability for Minnesotan's well. In twenty twenty three of 520 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:46,440 Speaker 2: the DFL controlled Minnesota legislature approved the new formula for 521 00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:51,160 Speaker 2: determining the license tab fees for vehicles initially registered before 522 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:54,120 Speaker 2: November sixteenth to twenty twenty. The tax rate for tab 523 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:58,000 Speaker 2: fees increased from one point two five to one point 524 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:01,760 Speaker 2: fivey four, with the starting point being the manufacturer suggested 525 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:05,640 Speaker 2: retail price. So if you're registered your vehicle for the 526 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:09,720 Speaker 2: first time after November sixteenth of twenty twenty, the rate 527 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:11,920 Speaker 2: fee went up from one point two to one point 528 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:14,640 Speaker 2: five respectively. At the same time, the legislatures loaded the 529 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:18,600 Speaker 2: pace at which your vehicle depreciates. Instead of it going 530 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:21,200 Speaker 2: down ten percent per year for the first year, your 531 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:25,440 Speaker 2: vehicle's value now goes down five percent per year. It's 532 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:29,080 Speaker 2: so nefarious. Can I just say that? I mean, it's 533 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:33,880 Speaker 2: like borderline evil, the way in which Democrats take money 534 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,960 Speaker 2: from you. So in your third year of ownership, your 535 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 2: vehicle has only depreciated ten percent, and the state taxes 536 00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:44,000 Speaker 2: you as if your vehicle is worth ninety percent of 537 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 2: its original value. It doesn't start going down ten percent 538 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:50,920 Speaker 2: per year until the fourth year. Meanwhile, the Kelly Bluebook, 539 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:54,880 Speaker 2: the Bible if you will, of car valuations, estimates the 540 00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:59,200 Speaker 2: average vehicle depreciates about forty percent in the first three 541 00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 2: years the new law and formula for licensed tab fees 542 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,400 Speaker 2: written to effect on January first of twenty twenty one. 543 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:12,560 Speaker 2: What vehicle owners are seeing, says Lambert of Themada, is 544 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:15,160 Speaker 2: their number isn't decreasing the way that it used to. 545 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,440 Speaker 2: A three year old car seems like an old car, 546 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,520 Speaker 2: but its taxes are the same. It's just not right now, 547 00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:24,760 Speaker 2: of course it's not right, But elections have consequences. So 548 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:30,960 Speaker 2: DFL Transportation Committee Chair Scott Dibble said this acknowledging that 549 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,560 Speaker 2: the license tab fees are more expensive, especially for people 550 00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:37,240 Speaker 2: with newer or more expensive vehicles. Tab fees are more progressive. 551 00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:40,600 Speaker 2: In other words, they relate more closely with somebody's ability 552 00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:44,360 Speaker 2: to pay to the price of the car, and they 553 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:48,200 Speaker 2: go down every year. That's what we call a depreciation schedule. 554 00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,880 Speaker 2: When they showed him the state records showing the vehicles 555 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,320 Speaker 2: as old as six or seven years have tab fees 556 00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:57,640 Speaker 2: that aren't decreasing much, if at all, as they age, 557 00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:01,200 Speaker 2: he said the legislature was transparent about what would happen 558 00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:04,320 Speaker 2: in order to raise more money for roads and bridges. 559 00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:09,240 Speaker 2: I think it was pretty clear, he said, doing that 560 00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:10,040 Speaker 2: thing with my fingers. 561 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:10,680 Speaker 1: We had a lot of. 562 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:14,280 Speaker 2: Discussions, hearings and debate over how to broaden and diversify 563 00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:16,920 Speaker 2: the sources to pay for our roadway system. Really, did 564 00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:18,640 Speaker 2: you have a debate with Republicans at the time, because 565 00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:21,520 Speaker 2: I seem to recall during the trifecta that Democrats had 566 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:24,960 Speaker 2: no interest whatsoever in hearing anything that Republicans had to say, 567 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:26,720 Speaker 2: and even shut them out of a lot of committee 568 00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:27,440 Speaker 2: meetings as well. 569 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:32,960 Speaker 5: Something kind of interesting, great show talking about licensed plate 570 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:37,840 Speaker 5: tabs out in Montana. After your car is ten years old, 571 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,440 Speaker 5: you could pay one time fee. I think it's ninety 572 00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:44,120 Speaker 5: nine dollars for permanent plates, and after your car is 573 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,360 Speaker 5: ten years old, you don't have to pay for plates ever. 574 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:48,920 Speaker 1: Again, that must be nice. 575 00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:53,880 Speaker 2: It's unclear how many lawmakers and taxpayers knew that the 576 00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:58,959 Speaker 2: what the license tab changes would mean. They would have 577 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,160 Speaker 2: if they had been following the particular news outlets like 578 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:04,200 Speaker 2: American Experiment back in twenty twenty three. Bill glont had 579 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,520 Speaker 2: concluded at the time, charging a fee based on property 580 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,360 Speaker 2: value that you never saw would be considered fraud in 581 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:14,560 Speaker 2: any other context. At the legislature, it's just considered a 582 00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:19,520 Speaker 2: clever lawyering. John Feelan wraps the piece up saying this 583 00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:22,680 Speaker 2: is one expensive Minnesota makes me laugh. 584 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:25,640 Speaker 1: I'm going to have to look into it. 585 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:27,880 Speaker 9: I think one state might bee Vermont, and I think 586 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:30,760 Speaker 9: maybe more for South and Florida. You know they're station 587 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:34,080 Speaker 9: with you can title your car and get your registration 588 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:38,000 Speaker 9: through those states without paying Minnesota to the Sane tact 589 00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:41,680 Speaker 9: or on car stuff, they have no problem titling your 590 00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,400 Speaker 9: out of state car. And I'm going to look into 591 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:44,800 Speaker 9: that more. 592 00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:49,200 Speaker 10: I just purchased tabs on my twenty twenty four Ford 593 00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:52,400 Speaker 10: f one point fifty. They were eight hundred and sixty 594 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:56,200 Speaker 10: two dollars and the lady behind the counter said they 595 00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:58,800 Speaker 10: won't be going down for ten years. 596 00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:04,480 Speaker 1: What the heck, let's just got that's that is absolutely disgusting. 597 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:06,520 Speaker 1: So quick, quick story. 598 00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:07,840 Speaker 2: I don't think I'm going to be able to get 599 00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:11,360 Speaker 2: to my woman pushing for changes to state law regarding 600 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:14,319 Speaker 2: certain e bikes. Maybe we'll do it tomorrow for a 601 00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:16,640 Speaker 2: for a freedom Friday. As I look at the clock 602 00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:21,360 Speaker 2: and the showtime ticks down, So I recently speaking of 603 00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:25,840 Speaker 2: tab and vehicle fees, right, just paid the registration for 604 00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:27,080 Speaker 2: my for Melenda's car. 605 00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:28,880 Speaker 1: I don't know how I did this. 606 00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:31,000 Speaker 2: I'm sure somebody can leave a talk back, maybe not 607 00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:34,359 Speaker 2: in time before the show's over. But I didn't think 608 00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:36,319 Speaker 2: I did anything different. I went through the I went 609 00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:40,680 Speaker 2: through the the website for the state, and somehow Melinda 610 00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:43,040 Speaker 2: got new plates in the mail with a new number. 611 00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:46,840 Speaker 2: I have no idea what they weren't like vanity plates. 612 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,640 Speaker 2: We just we we got we got mail and I'm like, 613 00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:52,440 Speaker 2: these two like license plates? Why do we have license plates? 614 00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:54,200 Speaker 2: And I pulled them out and it was the new 615 00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:58,279 Speaker 2: registration and instead of just getting the stickers, we had 616 00:34:58,400 --> 00:34:59,239 Speaker 2: new plates. 617 00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:00,839 Speaker 1: And they were they were a it was a whole 618 00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:03,000 Speaker 1: new number. I have no I don't know. I don't 619 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:03,600 Speaker 1: know what I did. 620 00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:06,520 Speaker 2: I have no clue now, granted I haven't looked into 621 00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:10,000 Speaker 2: it either. I probably end up ended up paying more 622 00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,120 Speaker 2: than I should have, and that's that's on me. 623 00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:15,879 Speaker 11: Hey, John, I had my local DMB write a letter 624 00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:20,080 Speaker 11: to the state with my idea for tabs. They're completely pointless. 625 00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:21,880 Speaker 12: You jump through the hoops. 626 00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:25,239 Speaker 11: Yes, sir, I put that sticker on my car. All 627 00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:26,879 Speaker 11: you have to do is divide the amount of money 628 00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,239 Speaker 11: they make on tabs per year by the amount of 629 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:32,080 Speaker 11: gallons of fuel they're sold. It should be about a 630 00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:35,200 Speaker 11: penny per gallon. Hopefully they raise the tax a penny 631 00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:37,680 Speaker 11: per gallon. The more you drive, the more you pay 632 00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,200 Speaker 11: into that fund. You never have to put that stupid 633 00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:41,319 Speaker 11: sticker on your car again. 634 00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:43,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't you make it. You make a really 635 00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:45,520 Speaker 1: good point. I will be back up further. 636 00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:50,200 Speaker 2: Just the whole idea of having to reregister every year 637 00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:56,439 Speaker 2: and all of it at just completely well, it's unnecessary 638 00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:57,560 Speaker 2: in a lot of different ways. 639 00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:03,800 Speaker 12: So this totally un realistic depreciation schedule to me, it 640 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:07,080 Speaker 12: seems like I might be ripe for a lawsuit. 641 00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:08,160 Speaker 1: To push back. 642 00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:13,359 Speaker 12: Here's an idea, John, why don't. 643 00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:18,080 Speaker 2: We Oh my apologies there, I didn't mean to stop 644 00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:22,200 Speaker 2: the talk back there mid mid comment. As we get 645 00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,200 Speaker 2: ready to wrap the show up this week, let's try again. 646 00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:32,960 Speaker 12: Here's an idea, John, why don't we start taxing adults 647 00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:38,440 Speaker 12: on bicycles? Okay, requiring each bicycle to have a license. 648 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:43,359 Speaker 12: Anybody over eighteen on a bike should be paying their 649 00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,040 Speaker 12: fair share for roads and upkeep. 650 00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:48,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, this is thanks John. 651 00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:51,200 Speaker 2: This has been an argument that's been put out before 652 00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:54,080 Speaker 2: the pushback and why it's never going to happen is 653 00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:56,560 Speaker 2: they'll say that, you know, bicycles aren't causing any damage 654 00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:57,520 Speaker 2: to the roadways. 655 00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:00,680 Speaker 1: Clearly, nobody's ever seen me ride my mind out and bike. 656 00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:06,560 Speaker 2: Get it, because that would mean like I rode my 657 00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:11,320 Speaker 2: bike poorly. Thanks for hanging out on the show today. 658 00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:15,240 Speaker 2: I appreciate it. If you missed any portion of today's broadcast, 659 00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:17,000 Speaker 2: be sure to check out the podcast that will be 660 00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:20,719 Speaker 2: available in short order up at the iHeartRadio app, And 661 00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:23,600 Speaker 2: if you haven't done so recently, be sure you update 662 00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:27,600 Speaker 2: the app. Take advantage of all of the new features 663 00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,920 Speaker 2: enhancing your listening enjoyment, and take advantage of the presets. 664 00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:34,080 Speaker 2: Do that right now as we wrap things up, make 665 00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:36,759 Speaker 2: Twin Cities News Talk number one on your presets. I'd 666 00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:40,399 Speaker 2: really appreciate it. Freedom Friday tomorrow with our in studio guests. 667 00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:42,360 Speaker 2: Enjoy the rest of your Thursday, and I'll talk to 668 00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:44,160 Speaker 2: you just after six am. 669 00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:44,759 Speaker 1: Have a great one. 670 00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:45,480 Speaker 2: Bye.