Speaker 1: Do you want to be an American?
Speaker 2: All right, it's a great return after the big stuffing
Speaker 2: slowly here seven hundred ww you welcome to it, and
Speaker 2: welcome to the cold. And with that cold means energy
Speaker 2: demand is starting to peak again. And we take it
Speaker 2: for granted because we have this little thing called a
Speaker 2: thermostat and we set it and we don't you know, here,
Speaker 2: kick on you. Oh, thank goodness, we've got some heat.
Speaker 2: And you really don't think about it until you get
Speaker 2: the bill. And the reason why we get the bills
Speaker 2: as high as they are is because of demand. So
Speaker 2: the surge is driven by well, look look around us
Speaker 2: or Butler County, Columbus. Right, we've got these data centers
Speaker 2: going up.
Speaker 1: AI.
Speaker 2: We have electrification of vehicles. Twenty percent of all new
Speaker 2: car sales are either hybrid or the nine percent are
Speaker 2: just full of evs. Heat pump sales are going up.
Speaker 2: That's your air conditioning and heating. It's a heat pump now.
Speaker 2: And six out of ten heating installations here in Ohio
Speaker 2: are heat pumps. And so we're especially vulnerable things like
Speaker 2: brownouts because the supply doesn't meet the capacity in them.
Speaker 2: So the Buck Guy Institute's tasked with working with the
Speaker 2: US Department of Energy on solutions for this and Ray
Speaker 2: Hedderman is here once again to discuss Ray.
Speaker 3: Welcome back, Hi Ben, I'm doing well, Scott, Thank you
Speaker 3: for having me.
Speaker 2: All Right, that's the thirty thousand foot view down to
Speaker 2: Earth here. What's really driving this whole thing? But I'd
Speaker 2: imagine part of this has to do with innovation is
Speaker 2: the regulatory barriers. Typically with energy, we see a lot
Speaker 2: of that.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, I mean, let's just recap what's happened. Normally, energy
Speaker 3: projects take a long time to build out, and energy
Speaker 3: demand was flat, so you're not going to go out
Speaker 3: and you're not going to build a whole bunch of
Speaker 3: new power plants if you're not expecting customers. Then all
Speaker 3: of a sudden, the last few years, you know, artificial intelligence.
Speaker 3: Everybody has phones, people are looking at Instagram, Facebook, you know,
Speaker 3: using AI. AI takes about ten times as much power
Speaker 3: today to get that answer as a Google question ten
Speaker 3: years ago. So energy demand is skyrocketing and so now
Speaker 3: we need those data centers. The problem is, Scott, regulatory
Speaker 3: regulations had made it so painful to build energy power
Speaker 3: plants that we're simply not getting electricity online fast enough,
Speaker 3: and that's where we're going to see start seeing power spikes,
Speaker 3: potential brownouts. We're actually seeing data centers being told no,
Speaker 3: you can't be built because we don't have enough energy
Speaker 3: to meet the needs. What we've done at the Buckeye
Speaker 3: Institute is work with state lallmakers and now we're working
Speaker 3: with federal regulators to say this is what needs to
Speaker 3: be happen so we can build the electricity to keep
Speaker 3: electricity affordable and reliable.
Speaker 2: How I just also has to do with the political
Speaker 2: whipso of Washington, DC. Whereas you had Trump We're going
Speaker 2: to do the Keystone XL pipeline. Great, we're gonna roll
Speaker 2: that thing out, and then Biden comes along says, no,
Speaker 2: we're not doing it anymore, and trust bag at office
Speaker 2: will we're going to start doing it again.
Speaker 3: Well, you know you've seen that. You've seen like the
Speaker 3: Trump administration saying hey, we're going to close intermittent energy.
Speaker 3: You've had Democrats saying we're going to phase out coal plants.
Speaker 3: I mean the last year the Biden administration, they said
Speaker 3: we're going to eliminate basically make it almost impossible for
Speaker 3: coal and natural gas plants to operate. That's why you
Speaker 3: know pjm Our energy grid that Ohio shares with a
Speaker 3: lot of other Blue states on the Atlantic Ocean. Dave
Speaker 3: Yost many other states sued the federal government saying, you
Speaker 3: can't do this because if you're turning off coal plants
Speaker 3: are twilling off solar plants, where's our electricity going to
Speaker 3: come from? That's dependable. I mean, if you look outside Ohio,
Speaker 3: right here in central Ohio, it's not an uncommon December day, right,
Speaker 3: it's great, the sun doesn't shine as much. Solar is
Speaker 3: great for some states, it's not ideal for the state
Speaker 3: of Ohio and scott The other thing that's happened is
Speaker 3: you've had a lot of other states that have made
Speaker 3: a big deal, like New Jersey. Again, we share the
Speaker 3: energy grew with New Jersey. They destroyed their coal plants,
Speaker 3: that destroyed natural gas, and they based it all on
Speaker 3: optional wind and intermittent injury sources. But those simply don't
Speaker 3: have the same reliability or produce the same amount of
Speaker 3: base load power, and so now do New Jersey. A
Speaker 3: lot of other states have found themselves in an energy
Speaker 3: crisis and are scrambling to meet the growing demand.
Speaker 4: Ray.
Speaker 2: If you travel through well the central part of the
Speaker 2: state where you are, but up north a little bit,
Speaker 2: or to drive Indianapolis to Chicago, you see a ton
Speaker 2: of wind farms, a lot of turbines out there. But
Speaker 2: as good as that, as fine as this is how
Speaker 2: much of energy productions that represent? What percentage?
Speaker 3: I thought them five percent? In the state of Ohio. Look,
Speaker 3: we get most of our stuff from natural gas. Historically,
Speaker 3: Ohio has been a coal heavy steak. Coal produced the
Speaker 3: majority of Ohio's electricity into the last ten years, when
Speaker 3: natural gas, you know, you being able to tap into
Speaker 3: the shell crescent, has taken the place. So we get
Speaker 3: most of our energy from natural gas, coal, nuclear, and
Speaker 3: then it falls down the solar and winds. And again
Speaker 3: you know that's true for a lot of states, particularly
Speaker 3: on those of us east of the Mississippi. You know,
Speaker 3: we get a lot from natural gas nuclear. And what
Speaker 3: we're seeing right now again is, you know, because of
Speaker 3: the spike, people are scrambling to get power online. You know,
Speaker 3: a Microsoft, for example, has investing hundreds of millions of
Speaker 3: dollars to re open three Mile Island nuclear power plant.
Speaker 3: That tells you what businesses are looking at when they
Speaker 3: see the demand for future energy production and what they
Speaker 3: need to do. And really what needs to happen is
Speaker 3: Washington needs to say, Okay, why are we not seeing
Speaker 3: power plants come online? We see prices are increasing. You
Speaker 3: open up your electricity bill, you know, you know when
Speaker 3: it's time to rebid, you're going to be facing higher
Speaker 3: electricity prices. So why aren't we seeing more production being built?
Speaker 3: And part of it comes back to those regulatory barriers,
Speaker 3: you know, the blocks that are at the local level,
Speaker 3: state level, federal level, lawsuits for environmental review those have
Speaker 3: all created a massive choke point that means that we're
Speaker 3: really facing a deficit and electricity production that is choking
Speaker 3: out the growing economy.
Speaker 2: I mean you mentioned the environmental reviews. How much does
Speaker 2: that bogg the process down?
Speaker 3: Well, you know, you take a look at there's so
Speaker 3: many album and what you're seeing is nif the environmental
Speaker 3: review that by the way, people on both the left
Speaker 3: and right are saying, hey, this is not meant to
Speaker 3: be a weapon to slow things down. We've seen that
Speaker 3: being able to slow those productions down for years. That's
Speaker 3: the National Environmental Policy Act about four and a half
Speaker 3: years slowing down from the review connections. And so you
Speaker 3: know what happens, Scott is the way regulations work is
Speaker 3: they move in sequence. Right. It's kind of like a
Speaker 3: to train, right, you know, one car starts moving, the
Speaker 3: next car, the next car, the next car. So if
Speaker 3: you take you know, a year at the local level,
Speaker 3: a year at the state level, a year at the
Speaker 3: federal level, you're taking four and a half years or
Speaker 3: some environmental reviews. You know, you can sit there and
Speaker 3: be taking your six plus years for some big power
Speaker 3: plants to be built. And we've seen action take at
Speaker 3: the state level, you know. With House Bill fifteen, Ohio
Speaker 3: is saying, look, we need to speed this up. We
Speaker 3: need to make sure that regulators have only a certain
Speaker 3: amount of time to review so they can't delayies in
Speaker 3: those projects. And we'd like to see the same thing
Speaker 3: done at the federal level, because I mean, at least
Speaker 3: we can still build things here in Ohio. Other states
Speaker 3: that have more state regulations, like California, New Jersey, for example,
Speaker 3: they can't build anything because people were able to block
Speaker 3: production using these rules, using lawsuits, which means electricity prices
Speaker 3: are going to remain high.
Speaker 2: Ry Hetterman's here Buckeye Institute working with the US Department
Speaker 2: of Energy and Solutions to fast track improving our infrastructure
Speaker 2: and power supply because we are near at peak demand
Speaker 2: and you know with the winter months here too, we
Speaker 2: also have data centers and the light going online. The
Speaker 2: demand for electricity is greater than ever, and yet the
Speaker 2: infrastructure is way behind. We've often talked about brownouts and
Speaker 2: blackouts that have happened at West and those it's and
Speaker 2: it's you know, I don't know how close we are,
Speaker 2: but they say, certainly the Midwest ray is very vulnerable
Speaker 2: to this because of those data centers are going online
Speaker 2: at record numbers. These are like small towns, and I
Speaker 2: think most people don't understand just how much energy one
Speaker 2: of these data centers requires.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, you know, it's basically you can sit there
Speaker 3: and say, look, you know, one of these data centers
Speaker 3: can consume more energy than the Manhattan right in New
Speaker 3: York City. And so that just kind of called everybody
Speaker 3: by surprise, and so they're saying what can be done. Well,
Speaker 3: you know, one of the things that we again that
Speaker 3: Hospital fifteen did that I'm a big fan of, is
Speaker 3: what we call behind the and what that means is
Speaker 3: if you're building a data center, you can actually build
Speaker 3: your own power plants, you know, to directly power your business.
Speaker 3: You can fast track that through the regulatory process and
Speaker 3: be able to power your own business. And that's kind
Speaker 3: of what we want to see the market working. We've
Speaker 3: seen some of those basically power plants be approved. One
Speaker 3: was approved just before Thanksgiving. I think those type of
Speaker 3: solutions right where businesses working together, maybe they're going to
Speaker 3: share a power plant with another business, those are the
Speaker 3: type of solutions that are going to get us out
Speaker 3: of this crisis and help us move ahead because relying
Speaker 3: on the way we've been doing things simply doesn't work. Scott,
Speaker 3: to give you an idea, just very quickly, there are
Speaker 3: one hundred and ninety seven thousands power requests to pjm
Speaker 3: Ohio's grid. One hundred and ninety seven thousand by somebody
Speaker 3: who wants to generate power to connect to the PGM grid.
Speaker 3: To PJAM doesn't have enough personnel to get through them.
Speaker 3: And part of the problem is, you know, these are
Speaker 3: everything from five megawatts solar and when smaller production plants,
Speaker 3: but that takes the same amount of power, has a
Speaker 3: two hundred and fifty megawatt natural gas plant. So, you know,
Speaker 3: we have a lot of requests that are going online.
Speaker 3: People are gaining the system, flogging it up, and so
Speaker 3: we just need a way to cut through prioritize better
Speaker 3: which power plants are going to deliver reliable energy to
Speaker 3: keep prices load for consumers, to keep light time for businesses.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that makes a lot of sense if you've
Speaker 2: private interested. Hey, you know what, we'll build our own
Speaker 2: infrastructure here. The hell with you guys. What kind of
Speaker 2: power plants are we're seeing going online?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Sure, so right now, we've seen a lot of natural
Speaker 3: gas here in Ohio work and moving forward on that.
Speaker 3: You've also seen some renewable behind the meter as well,
Speaker 3: you know. I mean people sometimes will drive by you
Speaker 3: might see a big windmill at a car dealership for example,
Speaker 3: you know, trying to produce power on site to deliver
Speaker 3: to those businesses. Other states are starting to see experiments
Speaker 3: with small nuclear power plants.
Speaker 4: Again.
Speaker 3: You know, I mentioned Microsoft, for example, investing in reopening
Speaker 3: Three Mile Island for the benefit of Microsoft by themselves.
Speaker 3: Other companies are also contracting to build a smaller nuclear
Speaker 3: power plants using hydro, using geothermal energy. You know, there's
Speaker 3: a lot of ways to be able to get electricity
Speaker 3: in businesses or reacting the way you'd expect them to do,
Speaker 3: what makes the most sense, what's most cost competitive, and
Speaker 3: where my business is located. And so that's what the
Speaker 3: beauty of what we see kind of free enterprise working
Speaker 3: out is coming up with solutions and trying not to
Speaker 3: burden rate payers. You know, that's what we want to
Speaker 3: make sure is that we have affordable energy and businesses
Speaker 3: aren't taking advantage of rate payers and hopefully not you know,
Speaker 3: seeking out special tax breaks. It would be great to
Speaker 3: roll back some tax and centers handout to big industry,
Speaker 3: big utilities, big tech along the way to make sure
Speaker 3: taxes are low, energy prices are kept affordable.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, Ray, it makes a lot of sense. And
Speaker 2: I'm a big proponent of these small nuclear plants, and
Speaker 2: I think, you know, once again, it's a great example
Speaker 2: of how private industry will lead the way and solve
Speaker 2: the problems that government can't. For those who believe in
Speaker 2: government solving all problems, well there you go. There they're
Speaker 2: actually standing in the way. Are there going to be
Speaker 2: some trials, tribulations, heartbreaks, accidents, etcetera. Sure, there always is
Speaker 2: when it comes to technology, sadly, but that's part of
Speaker 2: the learning and growing experience as long as those responsible
Speaker 2: are held to a standard. That said, though, I think
Speaker 2: this is the advent of new power generation, and I
Speaker 2: think about you know, some of the like Microsoft reopening
Speaker 2: through Mile Island, or smaller like suitcase type of nuke
Speaker 2: facilities or machines that produce enough energy to fire a plant.
Speaker 2: But it also is hoped to typical America. I mean,
Speaker 2: imagine the day where and I don't know if it
Speaker 2: will be in our lifetime, but imagine that the technology
Speaker 2: gets so good you just buy one of these power
Speaker 2: units on Amazon, they ship it to you, You PLoP
Speaker 2: it in like a battery, and it lasts probably longer
Speaker 2: than you're alive, and then you know, it goes back
Speaker 2: to the recycling center. What they do with they spent
Speaker 2: phil Rodgs is yet to be determined, but nonetheless, it
Speaker 2: seems like neighborhoods Hoa's small towns will have their own
Speaker 2: many nuclear plant to power or we may just have
Speaker 2: one in our own house in fifty years.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, Scott, that's exactly right. I mean, you're
Speaker 3: looking at the space. Talking to people involved in these businesses,
Speaker 3: both from producers and high energy consumers. There's a lot
Speaker 3: of innovation that's going on through private enterprise. People saying, hey,
Speaker 3: you know what, let's try to use gia thermal right
Speaker 3: out west where it makes her sense. You know, given
Speaker 3: the geology out there. You know, they're actually experimenting drilling
Speaker 3: down to the Earth's cross being able to tie about
Speaker 3: some of that geothermal energy. That's a great solution for
Speaker 3: some of those companies, you know, small neuclear reactors. You
Speaker 3: are seeing more businesses pulling together and basically forming micro grids,
Speaker 3: you know, behind the meter. That a way to say, hey,
Speaker 3: let's go on our own power sources so we don't
Speaker 3: have to wait a couple of years to go through
Speaker 3: the PJAM regulations. That's the type of innovation I think
Speaker 3: that has really made this country great. That's why I'm
Speaker 3: really optimistic about the future because we know what the
Speaker 3: need is, we know the demands there, businesses know what
Speaker 3: they need to do to power themselves, and we have
Speaker 3: a solution for the future. You know, we can sit there,
Speaker 3: work together, innovate, development these things and really keep America
Speaker 3: moving forward. And I look at the opposite end of
Speaker 3: the spectrum. Right again, I looked to Europe, where a
Speaker 3: few years ago, you know, they came out and said,
Speaker 3: we can't compete with the United States because our electricity
Speaker 3: prices are so unaffordable. You know, German MENUF factoring has
Speaker 3: fallen off a clock because electricity is so important to
Speaker 3: the manufacturing sector. Europe made terrible policy choices by trying
Speaker 3: to regulate this market. I am thankful that here in Ohio,
Speaker 3: you know, we're making different choices, moving to remove regulations
Speaker 3: on businesses, to encourage innovation, to encourage investment, to try
Speaker 3: to boost energy so to keep prices lower.
Speaker 2: Well, but in Ohio even will the bureaucracy and will
Speaker 2: the status quo machine keep this from moving forward?
Speaker 3: I you know, Scott, I'm optimistic, I think because we're
Speaker 3: already seeing this working again. You know, we've seen a
Speaker 3: couple of billion dollars behind the meter projects already move forward. Right,
Speaker 3: So these private businesses are putting their money where their
Speaker 3: hopes are. That's what I'm looking at again. The Public
Speaker 3: Utilities Commission of Ohio is approving some of these projects
Speaker 3: are all going to be private behind the meter to
Speaker 3: power some of these data centers to power some of
Speaker 3: these manufacturing plants. I think Ohio is building a model
Speaker 3: that should be emulated copied by other states. You know,
Speaker 3: we're able to take advantage of it, and if federal
Speaker 3: regulators can move faster, that'll be better for us as well.
Speaker 3: But HP fifteen, I think is a really good piece
Speaker 3: of legislation that is encouraging a lot of private enterprise.
Speaker 3: And again, you know, reading from the news reports, reading
Speaker 3: the filings before the Public Utilities Commission, there's billions of
Speaker 3: dollars of private investment that's taking place right now thanks
Speaker 3: to HP fifteen, allowing businesses to power up more quickly.
Speaker 2: All right, he's ray headed been to the Buckeye Institute
Speaker 2: working with the Department of Energy on solutions to solve
Speaker 2: our power crisis, and it's looming. It really is. Imagine
Speaker 2: a day like, for example, class at twenty twenty five, Ray,
Speaker 2: you show them a picture of a flat circular thing
Speaker 2: with a hole in the middle. It's kind of translucent,
Speaker 2: and they don't know what that. It's called a compact
Speaker 2: disc Imagine class of twenty one twenty five when you
Speaker 2: show them a picture of a utility poll with all
Speaker 2: those wires out, and I go, what the hell is that?
Speaker 2: Hopefully that, hopefully that's what the future is here at
Speaker 2: the Buckeye's date. All the best, buddy, Thanks.
Speaker 3: Again, take a lot, Scott, always a pleasure.
Speaker 2: Take care of. Let's get a news update in in
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Speaker 2: There come the white death two to four inches expected
Speaker 2: tonight and this time tomorrow when their weather advisor and
Speaker 2: affected seven two to four inches for most of the
Speaker 2: tri state, which means the good solid half inch. Maybe
Speaker 2: you have to use it's like a decoder kind of thing.
Speaker 2: You have to use a Enigma machine, a Cincinnati climate
Speaker 2: terist Enigma machine. Go, okay, two to four inches, what
Speaker 2: what's that code? Let's that breakdown? About half inch? About
Speaker 2: half inch? But hey, you know what, we will still
Speaker 2: lose our freaking minds. We will still lose our minds
Speaker 2: driving on the roads, even if it's the half it,
Speaker 2: even if just the thread of snow will cause us
Speaker 2: to panic, work ourselves up into a froth and just shiver,
Speaker 2: not as a cold because of nervous energy. Scott Flow
Speaker 2: and I hope you had a great holiday Thanksgiving a
Speaker 2: week whether it's maybe a day off, two days off,
Speaker 2: maybe you had a whole stretch. Hopefully you had time
Speaker 2: to uncharge and eat a lot of food, watch a
Speaker 2: lot of football. I know I did. And by the way,
Speaker 2: Bengals fans, you're welcome. My Bills beat the Steelers quite
Speaker 2: handily yesterday in Pittsburgh. As the Bills then host the
Speaker 2: Bengals next weekend on Sunday. I'm actually going to that game.
Speaker 2: Maybe you are too. We'll see up there. Buy me
Speaker 2: a beer. I'll tell you where to go, yeah, I
Speaker 2: And honestly, you know this going into it. Man, if
Speaker 2: the Bengals can stop the run, I think the Bengals
Speaker 2: beat the Bills, I really do. That team is just
Speaker 2: something not right. Well that's the injuries and a bunch
Speaker 2: of other things that excuse making. But it was a
Speaker 2: fun though the enemy that is the Pittsburgh Steelers, just
Speaker 2: watching them get it handed to it yesterday on their field,
Speaker 2: Cam Hayward and his I don't know, generally don't see
Speaker 2: that a alignment going at a quarterback like he did
Speaker 2: with Josh Allen. I just I don't know what the
Speaker 2: beef was about. I still still don't understand it. But
Speaker 2: a Ken he got shut up pretty good, as did
Speaker 2: Patrick Queen, as did Aaron Rodgers for that manner. Nonetheless,
Speaker 2: it's always good when you wake up and you revel
Speaker 2: in a Bengals win on Thursday night and then Sunday
Speaker 2: watch these Steelers crap down their leg and interestingly enough,
Speaker 2: all James are penon in the last hour of the
Speaker 2: show like eleven thirty five. Normally wouldn't do that because
Speaker 2: they play Bengals play Thursday. But the biggest Cincinnati sports
Speaker 2: news right now is the fact that Bengals have a
Speaker 2: path to the playoffs because the Ravens are a top
Speaker 2: at six and six Pittsburgh six and six since he
Speaker 2: four and eight. So let's say the Bengals go and
Speaker 2: beat the Bills on Sunday and at Heimar Bengals are
Speaker 2: five and eight Pittsburgh. I don't know how I know
Speaker 2: they're favored in two of their last five games. I'm
Speaker 2: not quite sure how exactly that works out, but you've
Speaker 2: got Steelers and Ravens on Sunday, and that feels like
Speaker 2: all the marbles right there for those two teams, and
Speaker 2: you kind of want the Steelers in that one to
Speaker 2: lose because that does help the Bengals, believe it. I
Speaker 2: will get more of that later, but so the Ravens
Speaker 2: go to seven and six, Pittsburgh dropped the six and
Speaker 2: seven Bengals, if they win, go to five and eight,
Speaker 2: and then after that, I mean, you look at the
Speaker 2: schedule after next weekend. Baltimore still has the Patriots and
Speaker 2: the Packers to play, and if you're a Ravens fan,
Speaker 2: how do you feeling about one of those teams? Those feel
Speaker 2: like losses. Meanwhile, Pittsburgh has the Lions and Baltimore again,
Speaker 2: and the Bengals have Miami, the Cardinals and the Browns.
Speaker 2: That's a pretty easy path than the Bengals. Now for
Speaker 2: the Bengals, but you know, we've seen the Bengals this
Speaker 2: season and some other seasons that matter, play down to
Speaker 2: their level competition. So you know they'll bit, they watch it,
Speaker 2: they'll go and they'll go beat they beat Baltimore, they'll
Speaker 2: beat the Bills. They go on this run and they
Speaker 2: wind up losing the last give of the season the Browns
Speaker 2: and missing the playoffs or something like that. But god,
Speaker 2: you hope not. There's a chance here the Bengals. Uh,
Speaker 2: just a take outside, so we'll see what happens here
Speaker 2: coming up. It's really gonna get interesting. Met It's almost
Speaker 2: like the NFL and the schedule makers know what the
Speaker 2: hell they're doing. They know what the hell they're doing.
Speaker 2: I want to get into I want to do this.
Speaker 2: You got to do this first. Well, let me rewind
Speaker 2: a second here. I mentioned you know how they weekend
Speaker 2: everybody getting their family, friends and stuff like that, and
Speaker 2: maybe you had a really bad Thanksgiving. There's always people
Speaker 2: have bad Christmases, bad holidays. In this case, bad Thanksgiving.
Speaker 2: You did not have. This is my uplifting segment of
Speaker 2: the show. I'm just gonna bump this up to here
Speaker 2: right now. Should play like happy Christmas music, because if
Speaker 2: you think your family's messed up, it's it's the Cops.
Speaker 2: And now, why did that TV show Cops work so
Speaker 2: well for so many years? It's because you know, you
Speaker 2: could have a really effed up life, but you've never
Speaker 2: bet on cops. I mean, it could be worse. I've
Speaker 2: never bet on cops. You know, my family maybe dysfunctional,
Speaker 2: We've got problems, and you know there's there's jail and
Speaker 2: drugs and all sorts of weird stuff got on in
Speaker 2: my family. But we've never been on cops. That's we're
Speaker 2: not that bad. We're not cops bad. This is the
Speaker 2: same line of thing. You may have a bad holiday
Speaker 2: with your relatives to come. My god, I can't believe
Speaker 2: the holidays are here. This is here's two stories to
Speaker 2: lift you up in a cops sort of way. Guy's
Speaker 2: name is Ben Crump, not that Ben Crump, different Ben Crumb.
Speaker 2: Benjamin Crump, twenty one year old man in Illinois, lives
Speaker 2: with his parents in suburban Illinois. Looks like a nice neighborhood.
Speaker 2: Seven thirty on Thanksgiving, seven thirty pm, cops respond to
Speaker 2: that home with a call that he was antagonizing and
Speaker 2: arguing with two others in the home. With other people
Speaker 2: in the home, I should say deputies. They show up,
Speaker 2: they deescalate the situation. He agreed, Hey, I'll keep to
Speaker 2: myself for the rest of the night. I'm not gonna
Speaker 2: get in fights with the family. Hour later, deputies get
Speaker 2: a call same address. The house is on fire, so
Speaker 2: fire responds. Police respond. They roll up, they see Crump
Speaker 2: standing there with a knife on the side of the road,
Speaker 2: about a block away from the house. Police say, well,
Speaker 2: we're just out here. They take him to custody and
Speaker 2: Krump the reason. Here's what happened. Crump was told by
Speaker 2: his family he was going to get kicked out of
Speaker 2: the house after Antiza. Okay, that's it, young man, twenty
Speaker 2: one years old. You get We're not having this on Thanksgiving.
Speaker 2: You know what, You're gonna have to find a new
Speaker 2: place to live. You're twenty one, Get the hell out.
Speaker 2: At that point, I left the residence, came back, went
Speaker 2: to his bedroom with a cand of gas line lit
Speaker 2: his bedroom on fire. Everyone got out. Everyone is safe,
Speaker 2: but the house sustained major damage and now no one
Speaker 2: has a place to live, especially Ben Crump. Story two.
Speaker 2: It all starts with alcohol. Fifty eight year old man
Speaker 2: in Maryland, Paul Susie is his name. He's drinking with
Speaker 2: his wife. Three twelve year old girls and their parents
Speaker 2: going door to door Friday night, knocked on his door twice,
Speaker 2: announcing themselves as Christmas carols. We're gonna send some Christmas carols,
Speaker 2: and you often don't see that anymore. You don't see people,
Speaker 2: as a matter of fact, as long as I've been alive.
Speaker 2: But don't think I've heard someone knock on my door
Speaker 2: singing Christmas carols. Anyway, this happens there, and after hearing this,
Speaker 2: he walks to his bay window from inside the home
Speaker 2: and responds appropriately, because anytime you would get twelve year
Speaker 2: olds and their parents singing Christmas carols about the season,
Speaker 2: about Sanna, about God, about the birth of Jesus, the
Speaker 2: sane and reasonable person would respond by pointing a gun
Speaker 2: at the girls, which they ran away to the street.
Speaker 2: Parents called nine one one. Paul Susie's in jail years
Speaker 2: old pointing a gun at twelve year old Christmas callers.
Speaker 2: So an illustration there. You may have had a maybe
Speaker 2: a rough Thanksgiving, maybe Uncle Bob, uncle ned whomever. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, one too many egg nogs, or maybe you
Speaker 2: know they're just jerks. They're just a holes. Every family
Speaker 2: has them, and you show up to break bread and
Speaker 2: bond with family and realizing God, this happens every year.
Speaker 2: Or maybe it was just one of those things someone
Speaker 2: showed up and it was a bad time had by all.
Speaker 2: And I feel badly for you if you didn't have
Speaker 2: a lovely Thanksgiving. But again, once again, you may have
Speaker 2: had bad, bad Thanksgiving, but at least you weren't on cops.
Speaker 2: You weren't cops. Awful bad, Ben Crump, Paul Susie, thank
Speaker 2: you for lifting the rest of us up. Scott Sloan
Speaker 2: seven hundred World, Scott Flows Shows, seven hundred, WW News
Speaker 2: and NUDG just about five. Nasha Aderige Martinez from c
Speaker 2: on the show Coming up today, Cyber Monday. We spent
Speaker 2: an ungodly money record amount of money on Black Friday.
Speaker 2: Today Cyber Monday expected to break all records again today.
Speaker 2: And all of this stuff is to be delivered to
Speaker 2: your house. You know what that means. It's also Christmas
Speaker 2: for porch pirates, which you need to know about that,
Speaker 2: and technology and other things to help make sure that
Speaker 2: when Santa drops packages off your house and gets stolen
Speaker 2: by self absorbed idiots. Nonetheless, that's coming up at ten
Speaker 2: oh six this morning. So forty years. We've known this
Speaker 2: problem with building for forty forty years, and now the
Speaker 2: roosters come home. The chickens come home to rooster. Maybe
Speaker 2: the rooster is growing. I'm not quite sure what the
Speaker 2: metaphor is there. But Senate candidates in next year's midterms,
Speaker 2: so you hear a lot about midterm elections, they will
Speaker 2: be facing the looming and solvency of Social Security by
Speaker 2: the end of their term. So US Senate candidates who
Speaker 2: get elected next yar's midterms will have to do with
Speaker 2: the Social Security crisis in about what eleven months, proving
Speaker 2: once again there's no free lunch. In twenty thirty three,
Speaker 2: the Social Security retirement fund is set to be depleted,
Speaker 2: and that means at this point in twenty thirty three,
Speaker 2: if nothing happens, recipients would see a cut to their
Speaker 2: monthly checks. Like, for example, the average beneficiary is about
Speaker 2: two thousand dollars a month, you would see that cut
Speaker 2: down to just over fifteen hundred dollars. That's a pretty
Speaker 2: good haircut right there. That's a devastating loss for a
Speaker 2: lot of people, and nobody wants it to happen, But
Speaker 2: because of forty years of an action, it's about to.
Speaker 2: And what's driving the whole thing, and so you understand
Speaker 2: what's at play here, is we had this huge baby
Speaker 2: boom generation that are now retired will soon be. The
Speaker 2: youngest boomers are sixty one, oldest are seventy nine. And
Speaker 2: we are not repopulating our country at the same rate.
Speaker 2: And in addition to that, we are declining in immigration, so
Speaker 2: to speak, because of some policies. And maybe that's not
Speaker 2: fair too, because we do have plenty of h one
Speaker 2: b you know, visa workers in like immigranted in the
Speaker 2: United States, for sure, but we're just we're not having
Speaker 2: procreative sex anymore. Look, but that way, we're not having
Speaker 2: babies at the same rate. In the math, is this
Speaker 2: back in the day, you know, thirty years ago, forty
Speaker 2: years ago, we had three point four workers and that
Speaker 2: would be people who are earning an income and paying
Speaker 2: in the system for Social security at the turn of
Speaker 2: the twenty first century, and that is now from three
Speaker 2: point four workers in what two thousand, early late nineties,
Speaker 2: early two thousands, that's down to about two point seven
Speaker 2: now and in the next ten years I'll go down
Speaker 2: to two point three. So you have fewer workers that
Speaker 2: are paying Social Security taxes and end result is there's
Speaker 2: less money there. So we have a three hundred and
Speaker 2: fifty milli billion dollars should say, three hundred and fifty
Speaker 2: billion dollars shortfall for twenty thirty three that trust fund.
Speaker 2: That's only about one percent of the GDP. So you
Speaker 2: could come up with a solution here, but there's got
Speaker 2: to be the stomach to be able to do that.
Speaker 2: And we see in a Congress that is constantly enacted,
Speaker 2: they just are neutered. Everything now was done by executive order.
Speaker 2: Just saw a story this morning it said Trump is
Speaker 2: going to undo all Biden's auto pens executive orders so
Speaker 2: that it beats out as meaningless and right now, look
Speaker 2: at the government gridlock, look at the shutdown, and that
Speaker 2: was because well of congressional and action. So you get
Speaker 2: three things they can do, and one be raised taxes
Speaker 2: and be cut benefits or change how social security works.
Speaker 2: So you probably will do that and kick the can
Speaker 2: down the road, I would think, because that's what they're
Speaker 2: good at. Go, well, you know what we'll do is
Speaker 2: we'll we'll take some more money from here and we'll
Speaker 2: transfer here, and we'll be solving it for a while.
Speaker 2: I mean, this is how they continually fund government Continuing
Speaker 2: resolution after continuing resolution. The curs are fast and furious.
Speaker 2: But again, we've only balanced the budget twice in my
Speaker 2: lifetime and my voting lifetime. I should say, what gives
Speaker 2: you hope that you're going to fix the biggest problem
Speaker 2: of all and that would be Social Security? And that, I,
Speaker 2: believe it or not, is now. It's on the radar.
Speaker 2: It's going to happen. People are elected to the Senate
Speaker 2: next year this time next year are going to have
Speaker 2: to deal with the crisis because that bomb is going
Speaker 2: to explode on their watch, let alone the debt bomb
Speaker 2: and everything else. Interesting times in which we live, for sure,
Speaker 2: get a news update in today being Cyber Monday, off
Speaker 2: a absolutely prosperous Black Friday, we are having a record
Speaker 2: number of online purchases, but also things ship to our homes,
Speaker 2: our businesses and the like, and that also means it's
Speaker 2: a heyday for porch pirates, for thieves. How to combat
Speaker 2: that with my friend from Senet here, Nasha Aderitz Martinez,
Speaker 2: she's on the show next. We're also preparing for some
Speaker 2: winter weather. The forecasters say and our friends at Channel
Speaker 2: nine say two to four inches possible. We'll find out
Speaker 2: what happens. That's supposed to hit some time tonight and
Speaker 2: to the commute tomorrow. So just f y a full
Speaker 2: update there, traffic and much more just ahead on the
Speaker 2: home of the best Bengals coverage, seven hundred WWT Cincinnati.
Speaker 1: Do you want to be an America?
Speaker 2: Let's go back an a Monday morning Scott's Flowing Show
Speaker 2: on seven hundred WLWT. Just spend a little money this week.
Speaker 2: Everybody spent money this weekend. You're kidding me?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 2: I record twelve billion dollars. Most twelve billion dollars was
Speaker 2: spent online during Black Friday sales. Almost all those islands
Speaker 2: little shipped, meaning it's Christmas for thieves too, And that
Speaker 2: nearly twelve billion is just a couple of days of
Speaker 2: the holiday buying season. Today is Cyber Monday, the granddaddy
Speaker 2: of the mall used to be Black Friday, but out
Speaker 2: Cyber Monday, even more will be spent on that is.
Speaker 2: C NET Managing editor Nasha Atrich Martinez joined the show
Speaker 2: on seven hundred WLW as they release their annual holiday package,
Speaker 2: Theft Report from c Neet. Nasha, Good morning, how are you?
Speaker 4: Hello? Good morning? Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 2: All right, so this is the fourth time you've done
Speaker 2: this and report says eighty billion dollars could be vulnerable
Speaker 2: to porch stuff this season. That is, that is a
Speaker 2: staggering amount of money. That's like the GDP of a
Speaker 2: small country for crying out loud, Yeah it is.
Speaker 4: And it's actually six billion dollars more than what our
Speaker 4: reports found from last year. So this could be a
Speaker 4: direct reflection of price increases or that just people are
Speaker 4: spending more this year.
Speaker 2: Okay, so typically speaking, how often does porch piracy happen?
Speaker 2: And we've seen the videos on TikTok and instat and
Speaker 2: Facebook and everywhere else, but how common is it?
Speaker 4: Yeah, so we actually found that there is a slight
Speaker 4: decrease in porch stuff this year. It's around three percent
Speaker 4: less this year than last year, but it is still
Speaker 4: a significant threat to people who are buying, especially gifts
Speaker 4: during this holiday season. And we're seeing it happen in
Speaker 4: real time starting now right with Black Friday deal claber Monday,
Speaker 4: which is now extended to Cyber Week. So yeah, people
Speaker 4: really need to take steps to protect.
Speaker 5: Themselves as year.
Speaker 2: Okay, ll right, let's talk about those steps. What do
Speaker 2: you recommend?
Speaker 4: Yeah, so there are a few things you can do
Speaker 4: to protect your packages from being stolen this year. One
Speaker 4: of the things that we recommend is installing a home
Speaker 4: security system that usually is enough to deter some thiefs.
Speaker 4: Other things that you can do is require a signature
Speaker 4: when delivering so that the carriers won't leave the packages
Speaker 4: at your doorstep being vulnerable to accept. Other things you
Speaker 4: can do include tracking your shipment closely. That way you
Speaker 4: know exactly when something is going to be delivered to
Speaker 4: your home. Some carriers like Amazon even give you a
Speaker 4: time frame which can allow for you to plan ahead
Speaker 4: of time or have it delivered to your nearest USPS
Speaker 4: ups or FedEx.
Speaker 2: All right, but overall, so you said, thirty percent of
Speaker 2: it als have either been victimized or know someone who's
Speaker 2: been victimized. And I recognize that, but at what point
Speaker 2: does this stop being a nuisance crime and a threat
Speaker 2: to e commerce? Because people hear that and go, wow,
Speaker 2: so many victims. Am I better off just going to
Speaker 2: a brick and mortar or finding another way to get
Speaker 2: my package? That's not good. That's not a good ad
Speaker 2: for the industry.
Speaker 4: It honestly has an effect that e commerce out rage.
Speaker 4: We've actually seen that e commerce has down up this
Speaker 4: year slightly. So people are really thinking about poor stuff
Speaker 4: when they're buying their items. It's just a new thumth
Speaker 4: that happens after the fact that they've already bought it.
Speaker 2: Gotcha. There's packages are stolen, Some are meant for the household,
Speaker 2: some are containing gifts. Is there any indication that thieves
Speaker 2: specifically target certain times a day, or package sizes or
Speaker 2: carrier types or whatever it might be that get the
Speaker 2: higher value items.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're actually seeing a trend where people are using
Speaker 4: either stolen or bribed carrier data to track shipments in
Speaker 4: real time. So what they'll do is that though they
Speaker 4: will steal the packages even minutes after it has been delivered.
Speaker 4: So that is a new trend we are seeing this year.
Speaker 2: It was in the story you may not be familiar
Speaker 2: that I just saw it over the weekend. I think
Speaker 2: it was FedEx. They had they just busted this huge
Speaker 2: ring of porch pirates, and what happens is they had
Speaker 2: someone inside at one of the shippers that would tell
Speaker 2: them what's in the package, what time they'd be arriving
Speaker 2: on what truck, and it would be coordinated that way.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's exactly what what I'm talking about. So that
Speaker 4: that is something that we're seeing you happen.
Speaker 2: So how do you That's a whole nother problem for
Speaker 2: logistics companies is now they've got to keep an eye
Speaker 2: on their employees given out sensitive information like that. I'd
Speaker 2: imagine that's got to be really difficult to prevent.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it is, and especially when these carriers also offer
Speaker 4: insurances for stolen items, so many people can also start
Speaker 4: a claim process with them or even with the sellers,
Speaker 4: which can also deter the sellers from using those carriers
Speaker 4: in the first place.
Speaker 2: Gotcha all right? She is seen at managing editor Nasha A.
Speaker 2: D Rich Martinez talking about the huge number of Black
Speaker 2: Friday sales even bigger Cyber Monday sales expected. Almost a
Speaker 2: third of Americans report being the victim of forks pirates
Speaker 2: or know someone a neighbor who has, and that's our
Speaker 2: stuff getting stolen right out of right in front of
Speaker 2: our porch. You mentioned early on in this, Nasha, about
Speaker 2: video door bells, ring security cameras, and like, is that
Speaker 2: a deterrent or is it just help you get footage
Speaker 2: to maybe track someone down.
Speaker 4: It can be a deterrent. So our report actually suggests
Speaker 4: that the decline and poor scept is in part due
Speaker 4: to the mass adoption of home security systems. So sometimes
Speaker 4: it won't be Sometimes, you know, thieves will come in
Speaker 4: with their master gloves and they know that they are
Speaker 4: unidentifiable and will continue to do it. But for the
Speaker 4: most part, it should be a good deterrent.
Speaker 2: Yeah, where are you on Amazon?
Speaker 5: Key Amazon?
Speaker 4: Honestly, whatever works for your family, I am. Yeah, I
Speaker 4: tried it.
Speaker 2: You know what I put a I put you know,
Speaker 2: a remote keypad in it. It offered that. I tried
Speaker 2: it and actually pleasantly surprised that. Like, first of all,
Speaker 2: I thought someone would run the package over because you know,
Speaker 2: I I that those are people I live with, they
Speaker 2: wouldn't pay attention. But I had a couple delivered in
Speaker 2: the garage and what was actually really good because you
Speaker 2: could see the door go up, like oh a package delivery,
Speaker 2: they close the door, everything goes down. I know some
Speaker 2: people feel like uncomfortable about having a stranger delivery person
Speaker 2: drop stuff off essentially inside their house, But in a
Speaker 2: couple of times I've tried it already, it's worked pretty
Speaker 2: good for me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we have seen that work for a lot of people.
Speaker 4: And similarly, they sell these like secure block boxes that
Speaker 4: you can leave in front of your home that are
Speaker 4: secured to the ground. I think the problem with these
Speaker 4: ones is that they are oftentimes small to only smaller packages.
Speaker 4: If you buy something bigger, they won't usually fit. But
Speaker 4: an Amazon key or similar services is a great option too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, is there something involving iPhone you can track porch pirates?
Speaker 2: Is Apple getting involvement?
Speaker 4: I've seen more home security system just having smart detection
Speaker 4: and apps that you can use remotely on your phone
Speaker 4: to track them. So we've been seeing a lot of
Speaker 4: home security systems that have like AI detection and can
Speaker 4: actually identify this whether like an animal or even if
Speaker 4: a package has been left at your home, and even
Speaker 4: if that package has been removed from your port, and
Speaker 4: they will send you alerts of notifications. So having a
Speaker 4: good home security system that will send you these notifications
Speaker 4: is also crucial.
Speaker 2: Yeah, which is pretty good, Nasha. For someone who does
Speaker 2: have a package stolen, what are they chances they actually
Speaker 2: get their money back or a replacement, or that that
Speaker 2: person has caught seems like, man, the odds are against
Speaker 2: you if you have a package stolen, let alone. I
Speaker 2: think the odds are pretty high if you're a package
Speaker 2: chief and actually getting caught. Is that true?
Speaker 4: That is true? Unfortunately, it will depend on the seller
Speaker 4: and the carrier that you are using. Sometimes I've seen
Speaker 4: sellers like Amazon for example, that if a package has
Speaker 4: been stolen, you can start a claim process with them
Speaker 4: and they will refund you. But it honestly just depends
Speaker 4: where you're getting your eyems from.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think at some point that insurance companies because
Speaker 2: you can buy that private you know, the aftermarket insurance
Speaker 2: now for that too. But credit card companies as well,
Speaker 2: that those are the ones that are losing money. It's
Speaker 2: cutting into their costs as well. Eventually gets passed on
Speaker 2: to us. But I would think there's gonna be more
Speaker 2: vigilance from the credit card companies at this point, going hey,
Speaker 2: we're leaking too much money here, We've got to do
Speaker 2: something about this. I don't know what kind of power
Speaker 2: they have, but they're the ones that can get stuff done.
Speaker 2: They're the ones that are losing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, and we have seen a lot of people
Speaker 4: also start claims with their credit card companies. So it's
Speaker 4: just trying to find the avenues to try to get
Speaker 4: your money back, right if it's either with your credit
Speaker 4: card company, with the seller, with your carrier. You can
Speaker 4: also try to send a report to your local police.
Speaker 4: Usually one incident isn't enough for them to start an investigation,
Speaker 4: but if it is something that's happening a lot in
Speaker 4: your neighborhood, if you have other neighbors reporting in similar incidents,
Speaker 4: there might be a chance that your police both are
Speaker 4: an investigation. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and obviously there's some areas that are probably more
Speaker 2: prone to that. I don't know if do you have
Speaker 2: any statistics on that or you know, is it is
Speaker 2: it more like suburban? Is it more urban?
Speaker 4: You know, we don't really have the stats on the areas,
Speaker 4: but I assume that the most populated areas.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you live in suburbia, probably, you know, the houses
Speaker 2: are more spread out, there's more risk. But you know,
Speaker 2: in the city or the town or whatever, you know,
Speaker 2: you'd probably grab get something grabbed off your port. I mean,
Speaker 2: if that were me, I probably invest in one of
Speaker 2: those lockers, just because you don't want your stuff jacked
Speaker 2: all the time. I'm sure it's pretty bad for a
Speaker 2: lot of people in some areas. I'm sure it happens
Speaker 2: all the time, and that's a whole other matter entirely. Yeah, anyway,
Speaker 2: are there are the retailers themselves. We talked about shippers, Nasha,
Speaker 2: but are retailers doing anything differently this year to address that?
Speaker 2: Is there anything they can do?
Speaker 4: No, We're not seeing them do necessarily anything different. But
Speaker 4: when you do check out, sometimes they are offering, like
Speaker 4: where you want to deliver, so you can either have
Speaker 4: a delivery your home or like I said earlier, at
Speaker 4: your local postal office.
Speaker 2: All right, she's Nasha Edwards. Martinez was seen at the
Speaker 2: managing editor there and it is their fourth annual holiday
Speaker 2: package staff report eighty billion dollars vulnerable just this holiday season,
Speaker 2: a lot and something like thirty percent of us Almost
Speaker 2: a third of adults report that in the past year
Speaker 2: they've had a package stolen, an attempt to mate or
Speaker 2: know someone who was targeted. Imagine that just increases during
Speaker 2: the holiday months as well. Not all the best, Thanks
Speaker 2: for jumping.
Speaker 4: On, Thank you for having me, have a good.
Speaker 1: Great you too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I've got a ring doorbell against security cameras.
Speaker 2: But often you know the person you see a lot
Speaker 2: of these videos, and the person has a car, not
Speaker 2: always but sometimes parked on the street and then they
Speaker 2: just run. And it's almost like you need not need
Speaker 2: a camera remote camera on you're this is more suburban
Speaker 2: than anybody like on your mailbox somewhere out near the
Speaker 2: street to get the license plate number at least. Now
Speaker 2: they have the flock cameras out there and the like,
Speaker 2: and it's that's going to be awfully difficult. I'd imagine
Speaker 2: law enforcement is already you know, they're already swapped. Are
Speaker 2: they going to go and start pulling camera data because
Speaker 2: you've got a package stolen? No, they're going to go, well, okay,
Speaker 2: we'll keep an eye out. They're not going to find
Speaker 2: that person because they just they don't have the resources
Speaker 2: to be able to go after everyone that are stolen.
Speaker 2: So it's almost like you got to do this on
Speaker 2: your you know, your own. I've heard stories people saying
Speaker 2: I know who it is and they still won't go
Speaker 2: and you know, question the person or an act a
Speaker 2: stop or anything along those lines. So you kind of
Speaker 2: feel like, well, you're kind of on your own in
Speaker 2: that one. But you know, at that point and then
Speaker 2: now it gets into big brother issues too as well.
Speaker 2: You're putting a camera out on a street or something
Speaker 2: along those lines, that's rough. But in urban areas especially,
Speaker 2: you know, if you got a lot of sidewalk lahouses together,
Speaker 2: and you think of many areas of Cincinnati and northern
Speaker 2: Kentucky where that's happening, I'm sure it's a pretty common
Speaker 2: occurrence in a lot of places where stuff just disappears
Speaker 2: from your front porch to the point where you probably
Speaker 2: have delivered to your your place of work or an
Speaker 2: Amazon locker somewhere. You know, a lot of retail places
Speaker 2: are now doing that for you, where you can go
Speaker 2: and pick your stuff up, and you know, it's more
Speaker 2: of inconvenience because everyone's their stuff dropped off right in
Speaker 2: front of your house. I know we do, but I
Speaker 2: live in the suburbs and we I'm sure it happens,
Speaker 2: but knock on wood, it hasn't happened to us yet.
Speaker 2: And it's certainly a lot more enticing for thieves. Because
Speaker 2: this holiday season alone, the average number of gifts that
Speaker 2: and then this is the total total amount, it's well
Speaker 2: over three hundred dollars per us adult, which is like
Speaker 2: a ten dollars increase over last year as well. The
Speaker 2: largest groups to do this are Gen X and baby boomers.
Speaker 2: Accounting for the highest expected value of delivered package. Did
Speaker 2: it makes sense because gen zers are maybe they're not
Speaker 2: having stuff delivered because probably mom and Dad's house as
Speaker 2: opposed to those are out on their own right now.
Speaker 2: But yeah, we're seeing a huge uptick in the number
Speaker 2: of this, and i'd imagine with a record twelve billion
Speaker 2: dollars spent this Black Friday this weekend, and probably a
Speaker 2: number that's going to clipse that today being Cyber Monday.
Speaker 2: Forewarned farm I don't else he can do, quite honestly.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, I remember the old videos the
Speaker 2: guy who would put the glitter bombs out there, which
Speaker 2: I always thought was awesome. You'd actually get a forget
Speaker 2: the guys, and that's that's old. He'd get a bunch
Speaker 2: of cell phones with cameras and put them in the
Speaker 2: different orientations in the box, and they'd have a GPS
Speaker 2: thing in it so they know where the package was,
Speaker 2: and they'd upload the video and basically you'd see this
Speaker 2: person who stole the package opening the box and this
Speaker 2: is like the electronic countdown. You see the person's face
Speaker 2: because there's cameras on the side of the box. And
Speaker 2: I don't know how you know this when you're opening
Speaker 2: the package, but all of a sudden, this glitter bomb
Speaker 2: explodes and coach their entire living area with glitter. It's
Speaker 2: pretty funny. I don't know if that guy's still doing
Speaker 2: his videos or not. Have to google that and find out.
Speaker 2: I always thought that was entertaining because you know, it's
Speaker 2: a little back at you kind of thing. But we
Speaker 2: none of us have the wherewithal or the knowledge to
Speaker 2: be able to do something like that. The best you
Speaker 2: can do is put a ring doorbell up and you know,
Speaker 2: hopefully by the sea, hopefully you beat the porka the
Speaker 2: porch pirates before you get home. That's about all you
Speaker 2: can do. Or have a neighbor pick stuff up to
Speaker 2: as well. But yeah, and I guess it's more of
Speaker 2: an inca. Are you really losing money? No, because you
Speaker 2: will get your money back if you put on a
Speaker 2: credit card. Obviously the credit card company will do that,
Speaker 2: and Amazon might or the shipper might. But you know,
Speaker 2: it's just more than inconvenience of picking out a holiday
Speaker 2: gift and then having it stolen. I will say, if
Speaker 2: your mind works this way, you know, if you're notoriously
Speaker 2: cheap or you just don't feel inspired to buy someone
Speaker 2: a gift. You could always use the excuse if you
Speaker 2: know it just came two days ago and it got stolen,
Speaker 2: which is another good out, by the way, if you
Speaker 2: forget to buy someone a gift you went to the listener,
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I totally forgot so and so a gift,
Speaker 2: you could always use the excuse if you know, I
Speaker 2: bought you something, someone stole it off our porch. So
Speaker 2: I'm just what i'd say, And it's something you want
Speaker 2: to overuse. But you know, in circumstances where you can
Speaker 2: be forgetful and you have a lot I know you
Speaker 2: you you've got a lot going on in your life
Speaker 2: right now. There's a lot of things you got going on.
Speaker 2: You might miss a recipient of a gift. Somebody might
Speaker 2: bring you something. Of god, I bought you something, but
Speaker 2: it got stolen from my fro oh and I got
Speaker 2: it on reorder, but there's a back order. And then
Speaker 2: maybe you know, you go long enough and they forget.
Speaker 2: And just saying, I'm just trying to give you a
Speaker 2: little just trying to give you an out. I care
Speaker 2: about you. We'll get a news update in here on
Speaker 2: the show on seven hundred WW with Sloane you want
Speaker 2: to return. It is Mental Health Monday. Julie Hatters Share,
Speaker 2: a licensed mental health therapist, is on the show once again,
Speaker 2: and we talk about the holidays often and the joy
Speaker 2: of being around family, but sometimes it's not that. It's
Speaker 2: the fact that family members or a certain family member
Speaker 2: is no longer at the table with us at Christmas
Speaker 2: or Hanukkah or whatever it is your Holly or just
Speaker 2: you know, over winter break for that matter. And it
Speaker 2: has to do with grief and loss during the holiday season,
Speaker 2: which is tough for a lot of people, a lot
Speaker 2: of people going through it. We'll talk to Julie about
Speaker 2: that coming up next on the show. On the Home
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Speaker 2: needs help every now and then. I need help, and
Speaker 2: she's here to help us get our heads right. This
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Speaker 2: How is Your Thanksgiving? Everything rocking and rolling?
Speaker 6: It was really great. We had people over, we did
Speaker 6: a delicious dinner, we drank away too much wine, and
Speaker 6: then it was perfect. It was everything you hope Thanksgiving
Speaker 6: will be.
Speaker 2: Did you have to clean up? That's the question.
Speaker 6: Dan did all the cooking, so yes, I did all
Speaker 6: the cleaning up. It was three rounds of dishes in
Speaker 6: the dishwasher. But it was totally worth it because it
Speaker 6: came down the next morning and the kitchen was spotless,
Speaker 6: which is just such a nice feeling, isn't it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it really, and that's nice when people We had
Speaker 2: family over and they helped clean up the dishes. But
Speaker 2: still it's like to at least two days worth of
Speaker 2: doing dishes and putting stuff away. It's a whole huh,
Speaker 2: the whole thing. Yeah, here's where I was stressed out.
Speaker 2: This is why I need your mental health consoling right now. So,
Speaker 2: in addition to hosting seven people, Michelle also decided this
Speaker 2: is a good time. She got her knee done Wednesday,
Speaker 2: so we're in surgery on Wednesday. I had a houseful
Speaker 2: of people on Thursday and I did all the cooking,
Speaker 2: and so I was I was a mess by Thursday night,
Speaker 2: Like I couldn't even stand up anymore. After three days
Speaker 2: cooking and because I'm running, you know, taking care of her.
Speaker 2: No no, no, no, no, no, I must. I was like,
Speaker 2: I may need some therapy after this weekend. By Sunday,
Speaker 2: I was completely out of it. So, yeah, it was
Speaker 2: a good time. But I managed it. I managed it.
Speaker 2: The food was good, no one got poisoned, it was good.
Speaker 2: She's important, she's up walking around. Everybody's good. So I
Speaker 2: love the holidays. I'm a big fan of this time
Speaker 2: of year. Thanksgift fall fall especially, but Thanksgiving to Christmas,
Speaker 2: nothing but fond memories. But I also appreciate that a
Speaker 2: lot of people don't have those great memories, and it
Speaker 2: could be difficult, especially if you sit down at the
Speaker 2: table or under the tree, or there's presence and it's
Speaker 2: the first year without someone close to you who had
Speaker 2: passed away. A lot of people going through that right now.
Speaker 6: Yeah, a lot of people are going through grief and
Speaker 6: sadness and loss around the holidays. And it's something that
Speaker 6: I think we don't talk enough about. And you know,
Speaker 6: there aren't any TV shows or movies about the holidays
Speaker 6: that really focus on the bitter sweet part of it.
Speaker 6: You know, the people you're missing the sadness that often
Speaker 6: comes with the holidays. They focus on, you know, all
Speaker 6: the hallmarks, snow and wonderfulness, and it's great. But if
Speaker 6: it's the most wonderful time of the year and you're
Speaker 6: not feeling it, that can be a real disconnect for people.
Speaker 6: So I thought it was important to talk a little
Speaker 6: bit about how many of us have some kind of
Speaker 6: grief or sadness around the holidays, and how that's perfectly
Speaker 6: normal and some things maybe we can do to help.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, well, as dry is it the loss of
Speaker 2: a loved one? Is that generally yet?
Speaker 5: Well, it could be that.
Speaker 3: For sure.
Speaker 6: It could be estrangement from people that you used to
Speaker 6: be in communication and in community with, but you're not anymore,
Speaker 6: so you're out of touch with friends or family. It
Speaker 6: could be that there are people that are present on
Speaker 6: the planet but not present in your life at the moment.
Speaker 6: So I'm thinking of people who's loved ones are away
Speaker 6: and not able to get back home. They're far away,
Speaker 6: they may not be able to communicate, And thinking of
Speaker 6: people who may have people who are deployed in other
Speaker 6: countries and they can't communicate. But I'm also thinking of
Speaker 6: people who may have family or friends who are suffering
Speaker 6: from an almost like dementia or Parkinson's disease, where they're
Speaker 6: physically present, but they're not fully there, and so there's
Speaker 6: this ambiguous loss that goes on with, you know, people
Speaker 6: being physically present, but they themselves are not completely there,
Speaker 6: and so you don't quite know how to handle that.
Speaker 6: It could also be things like the loss of a
Speaker 6: job or not enough financial resources to make the holiday
Speaker 6: that you want possible. So there are a lot of
Speaker 6: things that contribute to this sense of sadness around the
Speaker 6: holidays that I think it's important for us to talk about.
Speaker 2: So ambiguous you mentioned ambiguous loss is that grief without resolution?
Speaker 5: Basic?
Speaker 2: Is that what you're saying?
Speaker 6: It can be grief without resolution, for sure, it can be.
Speaker 6: It tends to be more around people who are not
Speaker 6: permanently gone, but not currently in our lives or present.
Speaker 6: So I'm thinking of you people who have dementia or Alzheimer's.
Speaker 2: They're there, yeah, the thing that makes.
Speaker 6: Them them is not there.
Speaker 1: How does that?
Speaker 2: How does that differ? How does that differ than Julie
Speaker 2: from someone who's died, for example? What is it? Is
Speaker 2: it harder to process.
Speaker 6: It's different. I don't like to compare it as harder
Speaker 6: or easier.
Speaker 5: It's differently difficult.
Speaker 6: So they're not really gone, so you can't really grieve
Speaker 6: and more in them the way that you would someone
Speaker 6: who has died, but they're also not there anymore in
Speaker 6: the way that they were. So the them that you
Speaker 6: knew is not there, but their physical presence is. You're
Speaker 6: still engaging with them, you're still perhaps caring for them,
Speaker 6: you're still including them in the holidays, but they are
Speaker 6: not there, and so it can be confusing. You have
Speaker 6: these feelings of grief and law perhaps, but the person
Speaker 6: is sitting right in front of you, you're having a conversation,
Speaker 6: and they may be looseid in present in one moment,
Speaker 6: and then the next moment they're completely gone and you realize, oh,
Speaker 6: that moment that I had them, Yeah, that's never going
Speaker 6: to come again.
Speaker 5: That's gone.
Speaker 6: But they are still there physically, So it can be confusing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you're thinking of past memories that that's what
Speaker 2: the holidays are about, right, It's about tradition, it's about remembrance,
Speaker 2: it's about going back and I mean, look at all
Speaker 2: the holiday the holiday imagery is all built on tradition,
Speaker 2: and that's a odds with what you're talking about exactly.
Speaker 6: And also you realize that this person, if you are
Speaker 6: dealing with someone who has dementia or another illness like that,
Speaker 6: you realize they're not going to remember this, that there
Speaker 6: is no memory being made for them, that this is
Speaker 6: your experience alone. They're in it with you, but that
Speaker 6: they're not going to remember it. They're not going to
Speaker 6: really be fully present for it, and they're going to
Speaker 6: have no memory of it. Maybe five minutes from now,
Speaker 6: or maybe tomorrow morning, or maybe next week, they won't
Speaker 6: remember it. But there are other kinds of ambiguous loss.
Speaker 6: So somebody is present on the planet but not present
Speaker 6: in your life, so you're estranged from a family member,
Speaker 6: or you're estranged from your partner, or you're estranged from
Speaker 6: your children. They're there, but they're not with you, so
Speaker 6: you can't really grieve them as being gone, but they're
Speaker 6: not in your life. So there's this feeling of incompleteness
Speaker 6: and this feeling of having not real words for it.
Speaker 6: You know, we know what to say when someone's dead,
Speaker 6: and we say I'm sorry for your loss, but what
Speaker 6: do you say in these situations.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because they're there, but they're not there. Oh, I
Speaker 2: understand it. Or there's a family member that's just a
Speaker 2: strange something happened and it's maybe it's this year, maybe
Speaker 2: it's a couple of years, and that often happens in families.
Speaker 6: Well, it's happening more and more frequently. As our world
Speaker 6: and our country in particular, become more polarized, there are
Speaker 6: more and more people who are choosing not to connect
Speaker 6: with or stay connected to family members that they had
Speaker 6: in the past because of that use, political beliefs where
Speaker 6: they land on the spectrum. In terms of that, there
Speaker 6: have always been people who've been disconnected because of religious
Speaker 6: differences to other people in their family, or they don't
Speaker 6: approve of choices that people have made. So it's always
Speaker 6: been there, but I think it's becoming more and more prevalent.
Speaker 6: So you have family, but you're not spending the holiday
Speaker 6: with them because you're out of connection and out of
Speaker 6: communication with them. That's the kind of loss that we
Speaker 6: don't really have a lot of words for.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, Julie hattersh here's here. It's spent all of
Speaker 2: Monday on The Scots Loan Show on seven hundred w
Speaker 2: LW and talking about the holidays intensifying feelings of grief,
Speaker 2: especially when ambiguous lost meaning that person might be there
Speaker 2: and then you think of things like Alzheimer's and dementia
Speaker 2: when someone is there but they're not there, or just
Speaker 2: just strange family members or people who are no longer
Speaker 2: part of that circle anymore. Is that why it's important
Speaker 2: to you? Know, there's that concept of chosen family. It's
Speaker 2: probably pretty important, right. You don't get to choose your family,
Speaker 2: get to choose your friends, but a chosen family. Riding
Speaker 2: yourself with people.
Speaker 6: Like that, Yeah, surrounding yourself with people that you do
Speaker 6: love and do care about you and who can be
Speaker 6: present with and for you is important. Some people have
Speaker 6: really small definitions of what makes family. Other people's definition
Speaker 6: of that is more expansive. It can include people who've
Speaker 6: been in your life for a while, with people who
Speaker 6: are very important to you, and so focusing on spending
Speaker 6: time with the people who are there rather than focusing
Speaker 6: on what's missing can be really really helpful, and creating
Speaker 6: new traditions and new rituals around the new reality of
Speaker 6: your life. So you used to go to Aunt Suzie's
Speaker 6: for Christmas every year. Well, you're no longer in communication
Speaker 6: with Aunt Suzie, and so now you have to find
Speaker 6: a new thing to do for Christmas. But making that
Speaker 6: a positive I'm creating something new, versus a negative I
Speaker 6: can't do that anymore. I don't have what I had,
Speaker 6: can help shift the balance a little bit.
Speaker 2: I would think typically when you talk about a strange
Speaker 2: relationships with the most common thing during the holidays, Julie,
Speaker 2: there's probably a tremendous pressure because of familial expectations or
Speaker 2: just how you're wired to heal even when it may
Speaker 2: not be your fault or out of your control. And
Speaker 2: then you go back to that person or persons and say, hey,
Speaker 2: you know it's important part because you're trying to put
Speaker 2: it you're trying to put it all back together again.
Speaker 2: Is that a good idea?
Speaker 6: It can be, It isn't always. It really depends, I
Speaker 6: think on if we're talking what it costs you to
Speaker 6: heal that relationship, how much of yourself and your morals
Speaker 6: and your values and your time and your energy and
Speaker 6: your patience do you have to give in order to
Speaker 6: smooth things over with that person? If the two, if
Speaker 6: the people involved can come to agreement about how they're
Speaker 6: going to conduct their relationship after this split, and both
Speaker 6: feel like they're getting enough to make what they're giving worthwhile,
Speaker 6: then yeah, that can be a really wonderful thing. But
Speaker 6: if it's you feel like you have to heal this
Speaker 6: at all costs, and you give up so much of
Speaker 6: yourself or your values or your belief system, or your
Speaker 6: time or your energy or your patience in order to
Speaker 6: do that, if it costs you more than you get
Speaker 6: back from the from healing the relationship, then in the
Speaker 6: long run, it might not be a good idea for you.
Speaker 6: It might actually be detrimental to your well being going forward.
Speaker 6: So really you kind of have to do the math
Speaker 6: and say how much do I have to give and
Speaker 6: is it worth it to me.
Speaker 5: To do that?
Speaker 2: You know, And here's a little bit behind the curtain.
Speaker 2: I mean, we go through that in our family, and
Speaker 2: on my side of the family in particular, we have
Speaker 2: a loved one who i'ven't talked to in quite some time.
Speaker 2: We're talking years now, and someone who is instrumental in
Speaker 2: my childhood and growing up, and it just they became
Speaker 2: self absorbed and toxic and had a blow up, and
Speaker 2: like you know, I've seen this play out before, and
Speaker 2: you know, you come back and try to put back together,
Speaker 2: and what happens is you just encourage more of that behavior,
Speaker 2: or that they have to realize the mistake they made
Speaker 2: and own up to that. I don't feel it's my
Speaker 2: job to go and try and bridge that made some
Speaker 2: overtures in the past, but you know they've got to admit. Hey, listen,
Speaker 2: you know what, it's not always about me one hundred
Speaker 2: percent of the time. There's other people involved here, and
Speaker 2: it's like, you know, and it's difficult because the holidays,
Speaker 2: and this person's older and I don't know how many
Speaker 2: more holidays will have left. But I don't feel that's
Speaker 2: on me. I think that's okay.
Speaker 6: I think that's okay too. And what I like about
Speaker 6: what you've said is you've tried to make some overtures,
Speaker 6: but this person, the other person involved, isn't doing their part.
Speaker 6: They're not taking accountability, they're not taking ownership, they're not
Speaker 6: choosing to make the changes that would make this relationship worthwhile.
Speaker 6: So it sounds to me like if you were going
Speaker 6: to heal this rift, it would be you doing all
Speaker 6: of the work, You making all of the confessions, you
Speaker 6: putting all of the effort and energy in and the
Speaker 6: other person just continuing to be exactly as they have
Speaker 6: been without making any changes or accommodations on their part.
Speaker 6: That is rarely healthy. I'm not going to say never,
Speaker 6: but that is rarely healthy.
Speaker 2: Well, you're just encouraging worse behavior and for it to
Speaker 2: happen again, you are.
Speaker 6: And even if worst behavior happen again, but even if
Speaker 6: it is not that it's one person is putting in
Speaker 6: the vast majority of the effort and the energy and
Speaker 6: making the vast majority of the accommodations and the concessions
Speaker 6: in a relationship, and it's not reciprocal. That inherently is
Speaker 6: not a healthy relationship. Unless we're talking about adult parent
Speaker 6: to child child, not adult child, but child child, where
Speaker 6: parents do put in a lot more of the effort
Speaker 6: and energy to the relationship, but we're talking about age contemporaries.
Speaker 6: That's not healthy. So inherently, a non reciprocal relationship is
Speaker 6: not going to benefit you in the long run.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that may apply also to relationship with your parents.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's a lot of people who have fallen
Speaker 2: out with their mom and dad over what we talked
Speaker 2: about with the visitors in America these days, that's a
Speaker 2: pretty common thing. And at what point do you go, Hey,
Speaker 2: it's my mom and dad. I should try and make
Speaker 2: amends that. I mean, you can only go You got
Speaker 2: to meet halfway.
Speaker 6: You got to meet halfway. The other person has to
Speaker 6: be willing and able to accommodate and to make some confessions.
Speaker 6: You don't have to, for example, agree on religion or politics,
Speaker 6: but you can't agree not to talk about it and
Speaker 6: not to bate the other person into an argument about it,
Speaker 6: and to respect the disagreements that you have and to
Speaker 6: find common ground in other areas. But if one of
Speaker 6: you is willing to do that and the other one
Speaker 6: is not willing to do that, then one is giving
Speaker 6: more dramatically more than the other to cement this relationship.
Speaker 6: And inherently it may not be worth it to do that.
Speaker 6: The cost may be too high, and only go ahead.
Speaker 6: Only you, Only you can make that determination. You have
Speaker 6: to decide if you're the one who's estranged from someone,
Speaker 6: is this relationship worth paying what I have to pay
Speaker 6: and doing what I have to do to make it work.
Speaker 6: Maybe the answers, Yet, maybe the answers no, but I
Speaker 6: will tell you that if it is not reciprocal, if
Speaker 6: you're doing most of the work inherently, that's unsustainable and
Speaker 6: not healthy in the long term.
Speaker 5: Fair enough.
Speaker 2: Julie Hatters Share, licensed mental health therapist here in Cincinnati
Speaker 2: mental health Monday on the Scott Sloan Show. If you
Speaker 2: have question, concerned comments, where you can reach out to
Speaker 2: her at Hey Julie Atbconnected dot care every Monday morning.
Speaker 2: Appreciate it, have a great week. We'll chat next Friday.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Take care. We get news on the way
Speaker 2: in just about five minutes here on seven hundred WLW.
Speaker 2: The future of autonomous vehicles is here? Howso I know this?
Speaker 2: In Dubai they are testing, literally testing driverless air taxis
Speaker 2: not only flying machines, but driverless flying machines. That's in Dubai.
Speaker 2: How's that going to work in the United States? I mean,
Speaker 2: we have autonomous vehicles here that are being tested on
Speaker 2: the West Coast, and there is a huge groundswell of
Speaker 2: people saying we shouldn't be doing this, it's too whatever
Speaker 2: the excuse might be. If that's the future, why are
Speaker 2: we fighting them? At Taranowski in that coming up after
Speaker 2: news on seven hundred w W Cincinnati.
Speaker 1: Don't want to be an American.
Speaker 2: It's lonely here, seven hundred WLW. The driverless taxi revolution
Speaker 2: is hits. That's like it's on crack and meth at
Speaker 2: the same time. I don't know if you can do that,
Speaker 2: but let's give it a shot. They're driving, they're testing
Speaker 2: driverless air taxis now in Dubai like not just you're
Speaker 2: going wait, wait what, Yeah, we have air taxis that
Speaker 2: are now driverless. And then here at home we're a
Speaker 2: little behind that. But Waymo company called Waymo's rolling out
Speaker 2: fully autonomous rides on freeways out west. So what would
Speaker 2: slow that migration east out this way? Because if you
Speaker 2: look at well, for example, holiday traffic or Black Friday
Speaker 2: traffic is to night. But imagine taking a air taxi
Speaker 2: somewhere or hell, just an autonomous taxi to get you
Speaker 2: from point A to point B would be amazing. The
Speaker 2: other problem with that, of course, is labor groups and
Speaker 2: local governments dig their heels and things like. That's the
Speaker 2: age old class between innovation and status quo protectionism. On
Speaker 2: that is Ed Taranowski's writing in Reason on this. He's
Speaker 2: a senior young voices contributor. Welcome back at Hi, Ben.
Speaker 5: I've been great. It's so it's great to be on
Speaker 5: the show. Thanks turning me on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no worries. So you think about it right there.
Speaker 2: And I love history as and indicator future behavior. I'm
Speaker 2: sure you do too. So the first automobiles come along,
Speaker 2: and farmers hated them because they scared their horses. And
Speaker 2: you had moral crusaders clutching their pearls worry that cars
Speaker 2: are going to become bedrooms on wheels for young people
Speaker 2: to have sex in it. Well, okay, they were right
Speaker 2: on that one, but maybe it was like stable owners
Speaker 2: and blacksmiths and harness makers and the guys who made
Speaker 2: bug big buggy whip tried to shut all this down.
Speaker 2: It didn't work. We have electric cars now, right, and
Speaker 2: even electricity had irrational fears. It was the battle between
Speaker 2: AC and DC, Westinghouse and Edison and AC was too
Speaker 2: dangerous and fire prone. It was more fire prone than
Speaker 2: gas flames on streets or houses. You know, you had candelabras,
Speaker 2: You had chandeliers that were literally were open flames for
Speaker 2: crying out loud. Nothing's less th that.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 2: They tried to jem up something called electricity sickness, meaning
Speaker 2: the RF from the electricity makes people ill, and of
Speaker 2: course the more prosuders. Once again clutching you had a
Speaker 2: new set of pearls. The immorality of unnatural light disrupted
Speaker 2: God's natural order of day and light. So we've every
Speaker 2: time we have technology, we have those kind of crusades.
Speaker 2: Is this just more of that thinking?
Speaker 5: Oh, it certainly is, and I mean it's more of
Speaker 5: that thinking. And you know, we are absolutely right with
Speaker 5: innovation always comes so secure it and we're not seeing
Speaker 5: anything differently when it comes to draggles cars, what we're
Speaker 5: seeing is that they're vastly safer than cars driven by humans.
Speaker 5: Weimo Had, which is a company that is already on
Speaker 5: the hazard Vehicles service on the streets. They recently released
Speaker 5: some of that safety data showing ninety one percent or
Speaker 5: serious injury crashes in their driverles vehicles versus cars driven
Speaker 5: by people. That is a vast decline and crashes and
Speaker 5: making it makes through much safer. So what we're one
Speaker 5: of the things were being cited a news across the
Speaker 5: country as a reason for regulating or heavily restricting or
Speaker 5: even outright banning the type of service safety is often
Speaker 5: one of the things cited that's just not in line
Speaker 5: what we're seeing because travels cars are bactly safer.
Speaker 2: What's the data on that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So for example, we're seeing compare and like I said,
Speaker 5: WEYMO released some data comparing what they're seeing in their
Speaker 5: vehicles versus cars driven by humans, and what we're seeing
Speaker 5: the name off you is ninety one percent fewer serious
Speaker 5: injury crashes, ninety two percent, fewer pedestrian crashes with injuries,
Speaker 5: seventy nine percent, fewer crashes resulting in airbag deployment. And
Speaker 5: those are just three among among others that they've released.
Speaker 5: So it's a really exciting time and I think we're
Speaker 5: only going to We're going to see this continue to expand.
Speaker 5: So it's I'm rigging that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's hard to refute that. I mean, again,
Speaker 2: you'd have to look at the data and how they
Speaker 2: come up with those numbers. But a ninety percent reduction
Speaker 2: in anything, we think we'd be jumping up and down
Speaker 2: saying hey we need that right now, we need it
Speaker 2: here because of safety issues. We have distracted drivers, bad drivers,
Speaker 2: stolen cars. Uh, so many accidents you know with people
Speaker 2: stealing cars, and we have another fatality just recently here
Speaker 2: and it seems like it's a steady drumpy to that
Speaker 2: a lot of this, a lot of that wouldn't happen
Speaker 2: with this wouldn't.
Speaker 5: All right, Well, that's absolutely right, and that's a that's
Speaker 5: socaing about Wamo and that's that's one of the things
Speaker 5: that they privates on is the safety that they're going
Speaker 5: to be, the increase in safety they're going to be
Speaker 5: offering those services, and and they're really continue to expand.
Speaker 5: I mean right now they're they're already operating in many cities,
Speaker 5: they're trying, they're continuing to expand new cities and how
Speaker 5: sitting at the highway, so I think what we're going
Speaker 5: to see is Waimo and companies offering driver the services
Speaker 5: kind of getting closer to the level of that Uber
Speaker 5: and List offers in terms of how widespread their services are.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but the handwringing, tell me about the cat? What
Speaker 2: about the cats? Right? And what about the cats?
Speaker 5: Well? Right, the data contents go, well, the story of
Speaker 5: behind this is uh away a quote Badega cat, as
Speaker 5: neighbors called it, jumped out in front of a Waimo vehicle.
Speaker 5: As it was, it jumped out in the street as
Speaker 5: a WAYMO vehicle was I was exiting and unfortunately the
Speaker 5: cat was hit. And listen, like, the death of a
Speaker 5: pet is always a tragedy. However, what we're seeing is
Speaker 5: we saw all this outrage. A San Francisco City commissioner
Speaker 5: called a rally over this and used it as a
Speaker 5: reason to rally support for new restrictions. We saw it
Speaker 5: picked up in rolling Stone and here's the thing. Like,
Speaker 5: like I said, is always a tragedy, But what we're
Speaker 5: seeing is waymos and driverless vehicles were vastly safer, meeting
Speaker 5: fewer pests pet deaths. It's safer for petsil on the whole.
Speaker 5: So using one example versus looking at the overwhelming the
Speaker 5: general evidence is not how we should be making policy.
Speaker 2: Back to the pear clutching thing again, right to say
Speaker 2: cat jumped out in front of a driverless car, it's
Speaker 2: a driverless car. Well, a cat jumps out in front
Speaker 2: of a you know, a human run machine. It's probably
Speaker 2: things that was going to happen. And at the end
Speaker 2: of the day, it's a we're going to stop this
Speaker 2: because of feral cats. It doesn't make a lot of sense,
Speaker 2: But again it sounds like the same protections that we
Speaker 2: talked about with cars that begin with are electricity for
Speaker 2: that matter?
Speaker 5: All right, I imagine a rolling stone article every time a
Speaker 5: person hit a cat or a dog.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's absurd, right, right right? Why wouldn't you
Speaker 2: do that too? How much does labor organizations in big
Speaker 2: labor factor in to this too?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 5: Big time? And what we're seeing Boston is the most
Speaker 5: dark example, but I'm not picking in Boston. This is
Speaker 5: going on across the country, but there was recently what
Speaker 5: we saw there is this summer some special interesting unions
Speaker 5: that they're called for and they have support on the
Speaker 5: Buston City Council for this, amongst several city councilors for
Speaker 5: an advisory board of quote, trade unionists and other stakeholders. Essentially,
Speaker 5: what this to do is create an advisory board where
Speaker 5: you would have industry competitors sitting on being quite in
Speaker 5: a position of regulatory power and influence. And that's not
Speaker 5: we want to see. We want to see free, open,
Speaker 5: open competition, free markets. We don't want to see government
Speaker 5: picking winners and losers. We want a new technology to
Speaker 5: be able to continue innovating. We want America to continue leading,
Speaker 5: so we want to keep government out of it. We
Speaker 5: don't want to see government being listed as as a
Speaker 5: as a tool to against your competition.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I could imagine the teamsters aren't too happy about this.
Speaker 5: Oh, it's certainly not. And they're one of the leading voices,
Speaker 5: not just in Boston, but across the country. We saw,
Speaker 5: for example, we see them rallying coort at the House
Speaker 5: plus Country in New York, California, in Texas against tribalist peoples.
Speaker 5: And again, we all we want to see here is
Speaker 5: we just want to see open competition. We don't we're not.
Speaker 5: We don't want to see one one favorite of it
Speaker 5: the other. We just want to see each each type
Speaker 5: of industry UH competitor to be able to compete.
Speaker 2: Really, it's like a long shorem in they're fighting against
Speaker 2: you know, robotic systems at Ports of California and ol
Speaker 2: swear for that matter. It's losing battle because the rest
Speaker 2: of the world is doing this. It's saving money and
Speaker 2: labor and UH production costs. And you know, when when
Speaker 2: you have hundreds of cargo ships waiting to be unloaded,
Speaker 2: if a robot can do it, faster, that's probably going
Speaker 2: to go that way. But with this, this is this
Speaker 2: is the age old American battle. You know, when you
Speaker 2: live in a country in which we live, the blessing
Speaker 2: is we have this wonderful technology. It's always changing, always evolving,
Speaker 2: and creating new sectors of jobs almost overnight. The bad
Speaker 2: side is it's going to displace people, whether it's that
Speaker 2: or AI.
Speaker 5: Well, I'm so glad you brought that up, especially Court.
Speaker 5: I mean, this is really important for your listeners to
Speaker 5: sort some background obviously. I mean, China has pretty much
Speaker 5: finished automating the reports. They're working twenty four hours a day.
Speaker 5: They're working much more quickly than we are. It's God
Speaker 5: forbid there's ever a conflict, a global conflict that breaks out,
Speaker 5: China would be far ahead of us. And how fast
Speaker 5: they can use their manufacturing I mean, it's not so
Speaker 5: much manufacturing and shipping capabilities. Because of the way that
Speaker 5: labor has pushed against automation here in the US, at
Speaker 5: our courts, it has made us vastly lower and it's
Speaker 5: a national sperit with and what we want to see
Speaker 5: is we want to see our innovation being able to
Speaker 5: be fully realized and used to keep us ahead competitively globally.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: If you look at World War two, for example, we
Speaker 2: quickly mobilized and changed from from production to war production, uh,
Speaker 2: literally overnight in America, and we won the war through attrition.
Speaker 2: We lost a lot of planes, but we could make
Speaker 2: more planes than the Axis could make.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: And that's what won the war. Was it like, hey,
Speaker 2: we were better at you know, uh, you know, better
Speaker 2: dog fighters or soldiers. No, we we just lost a
Speaker 2: bunch of equipment that we could easily replace because we
Speaker 2: had the machinery and we had the natural resource to
Speaker 2: be able to do that. It sounds like, you know,
Speaker 2: you mentioned a global crisis, but China's already there. They
Speaker 2: had that infrastructure in place. They don't have to do
Speaker 2: it overnight.
Speaker 5: Right, And that's that's what that's the risk is. And
Speaker 5: in worse, the little automation that we do have at
Speaker 5: our courts is often Chinese made tech. And I don't
Speaker 5: know if you've heard about this, but over in I
Speaker 5: believe it was in Denmark, there was a situation where
Speaker 5: they discovered that they had buses that were made in
Speaker 5: China and they discovered that there was the uh there
Speaker 5: the Chinese were able to actually uh. They had a
Speaker 5: function where they could switch off the control systems of
Speaker 5: the buses remotely. UH and they have to quickly uh
Speaker 5: a tool with the buses that make to take that
Speaker 5: piece out. That is alarming. Can you imagine if our
Speaker 5: the technology in our courts uh had something like this
Speaker 5: uh and if there were a global crisis that they
Speaker 5: could cripple us. I mean, this is there are so
Speaker 5: many reasons why we need to we need to stay
Speaker 5: ahead in this race. We can't let UH special interests
Speaker 5: hould us back, hold hold back innovation, to hold back
Speaker 5: the future. We need to continue to American continued to lead.
Speaker 5: We want we want new technology being built in our values,
Speaker 5: pree markets, free expressions, and we want to be able
Speaker 5: to stay competitive globally.
Speaker 2: Well I mean, call it what it is. But at
Speaker 2: the end of the day, America is one hundred percent
Speaker 2: about saving cats in China. Couldn't care less.
Speaker 5: That's right, And listen, I'm a pet lover myself, but
Speaker 5: and that's why I love, That's why I love drive vehicles.
Speaker 2: Right save China. They don't care. They're running cats, They're
Speaker 2: running budegat cats over the left. And I'm not surely
Speaker 2: that Budegue is in China. But nonetheless I think I
Speaker 2: think you got the I think you got the point.
Speaker 2: But the political landscape here right as you have labor
Speaker 2: backed Democrats that oppose autonomous vehicles AI and stuff like that,
Speaker 2: is is there a bipartisan shift going on?
Speaker 5: Well, I turned. One thing I am excited about at
Speaker 5: the federal level is we're seeing the Trump administration announcing
Speaker 5: a new set of federal AI regulation where essentially where
Speaker 5: it makes it so there's a coheated regulations that early
Speaker 5: and that we're not seeing such a flurry of different
Speaker 5: ones across the state because that will allow innov AI
Speaker 5: heed to innovate and not be because if there are
Speaker 5: so many different standards that make it very difficult. And
Speaker 5: an example that I use is how the Obama administration
Speaker 5: back to the day allowed the only California to be able
Speaker 5: to set their own admissions rules in the other states.
Speaker 5: So essentially the California set the standards of the nation
Speaker 5: because car companies aren't going to make cars for just
Speaker 5: California and then to the rest of the country. So
Speaker 5: what we're seeing the Trup administration do here is they're
Speaker 5: setting one cohesion through a rule, so it's not just
Speaker 5: a bunch of different regulations, different ones that AI has
Speaker 5: to keep up with or not letting one state kind
Speaker 5: of set the standards for the whole country.
Speaker 2: Gotcha, but on a local level because Ed Taranowski with
Speaker 2: young Voices and also right about this in reason we
Speaker 2: have local regulators to state where there's a regulatory framework
Speaker 2: that goes on here too. And it's you know, I
Speaker 2: can almost hear the cries about tech oligarchs, like you
Speaker 2: know that we got to stop the Musks and the
Speaker 2: bezos Is of the world from running our lives because
Speaker 2: these are kings and they just care about money and
Speaker 2: not technology, and it's going to just de troy the
Speaker 2: fabric of our communities, et cetera. That's another angle outside
Speaker 2: of DC. It's even worse, I think, locally, isn't it.
Speaker 5: Oh? Absolutely? And I love your point about the technolog arch.
Speaker 5: So I got to kick out of something I spread recently.
Speaker 5: I believe it was Elizabeth Warrene who posted on x
Speaker 5: the picture of her Maralex, mom, Donnie and Leon Kahn,
Speaker 5: and she this was she put the post that uh text,
Speaker 5: the rich billionaire tier is not pictured and this was
Speaker 5: on the same day that Jeff Bezos' Blue Origin has
Speaker 5: become the second company an institution ever in the world
Speaker 5: to land a orbital booster. And what this has this
Speaker 5: what's so mentally beneficial about this is that makes it
Speaker 5: so much cheaper. When you can reland this, uh, this
Speaker 5: type of rocket booster, you can make space missions much cheaper.
Speaker 5: That made better internet connection, better, cheaper space missions, better
Speaker 5: GPS and better weather predictions and all we can all
Speaker 5: do it much cheaper.
Speaker 2: Environment too, there's an environment component there.
Speaker 5: Too, Oh, absolutely absolutely, and that work. It was just
Speaker 5: I believe this post compared to have that happening on
Speaker 5: the same day, was so comfortable to me. It really
Speaker 5: set the contrast between the doers and the complainers or
Speaker 5: what I like to say, the builders versus the central planners. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I mean it's based and envy and they just and
Speaker 5: for them not to see the benefit of that private
Speaker 5: investment first because okay, they want to tax they say
Speaker 5: billionaire shouldn't exist. Do we does any is anybody really
Speaker 5: convinced that taxing? Uh they those out of billionaires statuses.
Speaker 5: Just do you really really think the federal government was sending
Speaker 5: that money better than the innovation that he's creating and
Speaker 5: a value he's creating for humanity with disorbital bluetood this innovation. Again,
Speaker 5: no other institution does space. The only other company who's
Speaker 5: accomplished this is basic. No other institution in the world,
Speaker 5: no other government, no one else has accomplished this or
Speaker 5: So that's why we're seeing the way with this money
Speaker 5: being working in the private sector, we're seeing massive benefits.
Speaker 5: And I just I got to kick out of that contrast.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is that that's a funny illustration's missed on
Speaker 2: those people. The lot of it just want to protect,
Speaker 2: you know, it's about protection. Is we're going to do
Speaker 2: things the way we always have. But that's not America
Speaker 2: at all. I mean that that that might be a
Speaker 2: third world country. That might be I don't know, Afghanistan.
Speaker 2: But you know, we live in the twenty first century,
Speaker 2: not the second century.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, And I love your aligned about the way we've
Speaker 5: always done things. I think I always say those are
Speaker 5: some of the most dangerous word in the English language.
Speaker 5: Besides you know, Reagan said the most dangerous. Of course,
Speaker 5: I'm from the government here to help. This might be
Speaker 5: this might be ranked number two because physically we've really
Speaker 5: done this way is not a reason not to look
Speaker 5: at doing them differently. And you know I work in education,
Speaker 5: so I can tell you that bely that's education, right. So,
Speaker 5: but with tech is the same thing. I mean, and
Speaker 5: you're right, that is not America because for all of
Speaker 5: history we've been you know, we've ben pioneers, innovators, uh,
Speaker 5: and we want to continue to see that. And we
Speaker 5: still have that spirit, I think, the spirit of risk
Speaker 5: in this country, that capitalism like a rewarding risk is
Speaker 5: really of high value and they want to see that
Speaker 5: that continue to be rewarded because you know, it's what
Speaker 5: we've seen is it is it ESSENTI advises innovation and
Speaker 5: that's just that's going to continue to make our lives better.
Speaker 2: Well, the clickban and this would be socialists say this
Speaker 2: one old weird trick, which of course is what you
Speaker 2: just talked about there with the rise of socialism though,
Speaker 2: isn't that directly odds with what you're talking about?
Speaker 5: Yeah, well yeah, it's it's certainly riskent. What we're seeing
Speaker 5: in New York is uh, it's concerning. But I do
Speaker 5: I am a little bit uh cautiously optimistic. We did
Speaker 5: see the city council elect someone who's uh the socials
Speaker 5: through up in arms. Not have they say always he's
Speaker 5: in because she's not lefty enough for them. So I'm
Speaker 5: hoping that maybe we'll see a check on mom Donnie there.
Speaker 5: But but it is concerning the rise of the popularity
Speaker 5: of socialism and those ideas, particularly among younger people. I
Speaker 5: think what we're seeing here is and I think about housing,
Speaker 5: a lot, housing, and you know I would like to
Speaker 5: own house. They too, So I and I live in
Speaker 5: I live in an expensive city. So I understand why
Speaker 5: this is so frustrating. But the problem is, uh, capitalism
Speaker 5: isn't at fault here. It's uh, it's government and socialism
Speaker 5: getting in the way. You see, Uh they're all over
Speaker 5: regulating there. They're they're they're making too difficult to build
Speaker 5: housing for developers to get in and meet demands. So
Speaker 5: the problem is we need to get better messaging that
Speaker 5: and creating real policy. We need to get in there.
Speaker 5: And I use housing as an example. Let developers build,
Speaker 5: let them meet, let's them, let's us supply. Let's build
Speaker 5: a supply to meet the demand for housing. And then
Speaker 5: we see we see housing prices coming down so of
Speaker 5: course to combat this, we need to we need to
Speaker 5: use capitalism, not project capitalism, and we need to message that.
Speaker 5: And if we don't, people are going to continue to blame.
Speaker 5: It's easy to blame capitalism, but we need to message first,
Speaker 5: message why this is really happening? Yeah uh, and then
Speaker 5: use capitalism as a solution, and then you know, we'll
Speaker 5: see and we can bring we can convince people through
Speaker 5: results of how capitaliks and why capitaliaks the work.
Speaker 2: Hey Tarnowski you writing this in Reason magazine. He's a
Speaker 2: senior Young Voices contributor and joining the show again had
Speaker 2: always good thought thoughtful stuff. I appreciate you content man.
Speaker 2: Thanks for coming on.
Speaker 5: Oh, always a pleasure to be on the show.
Speaker 2: Be well, We've got a news update seconds away here
Speaker 2: on seven hundred WLW. When we return, we also have
Speaker 2: the Bengals shocking the world. Is it possible? Is there
Speaker 2: a path now after beating Baltimore? Is there a path
Speaker 2: to win the division? Repeat on this next on the
Speaker 2: show seven hundred ww Sloni here seven hundred WLW. So
Speaker 2: you're saying there's a chance, there's a chance. It's hard
Speaker 2: to fathom, but with the Bengals, beating the Ravens thirty
Speaker 2: two to fourteen on Thursday night and Thanksgiving night. There's
Speaker 2: a path here, believe it or not, just the playoffs.
Speaker 2: James Rapine for Massiz Lockdown Bengals, of course is the
Speaker 2: daily podcast, but also Bengals Talk dot Com joins the
Speaker 2: show once again. Didn't expect this conversation on a Monday
Speaker 2: following the Thursday game, James, because normally we like to
Speaker 2: talk about the game the day after this. You know,
Speaker 2: you play Sunday, you talk on Monday. But the whole
Speaker 2: city's buzzing about Joe Burrow returning and there's a chance
Speaker 2: that the Bengals could win the AFC North Welcome.
Speaker 5: How you doing, I'm doing great, score, I'm.
Speaker 2: Doing fine, bolstered by the news Joe Burrow returns and
Speaker 2: all is well with the world.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: It doesn't mean that this team doesn't have deep problems.
Speaker 2: Doesn't mean that the Baltimore Ravens aren't more problematic than
Speaker 2: the Bengals are right now as they're at six and six.
Speaker 2: It's the division no one wants to win, James.
Speaker 5: It is, it really is, and you're right, like the
Speaker 5: path is there and the Bengals still need a little
Speaker 5: bit of help. But you shouldn't be in the AFC
Speaker 5: North hunt at four and eight going into December, like
Speaker 5: that shouldn't be something that is even remotely possible, and
Speaker 5: yet it is. This Bengals team is two games back.
Speaker 5: They could use a little help this week. But by
Speaker 5: with Baltimore now beating that they play the Steelers, you
Speaker 5: want Baltimore to win that game, Bengals fans, just for
Speaker 5: everyone paying attention to keeping score at home. But yeah,
Speaker 5: it's it's just on the surface that the division that
Speaker 5: I usually considered the best division in football, obviously that's
Speaker 5: not the case this year. But the AFC North, there
Speaker 5: are three teams in contention, none of them have winning records.
Speaker 5: Two are at five hundred and the other four and
Speaker 5: eight and still in the mix here entering week fourteen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's unreal because you mentioned that the Steelers play
Speaker 2: the Ravens next up, and the Bengals are in Buffalo
Speaker 2: this weekend. You know, being a Bills fan, had missed it.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be at that game this coming weekend. By
Speaker 2: the way, the Steelers, I just don't know what to
Speaker 2: make of this team. Someone said, like, OK, and they
Speaker 2: just they absolutely collapse. I mean the personal fouls and
Speaker 2: the student pidity with Hayward and just it was it
Speaker 2: was very uncharacteristic stealers. I mean they they've always been
Speaker 2: kind of a cheap shot team, no doubt about it.
Speaker 2: You know Patrick Queen, for example, I thought that was
Speaker 2: just absolutely flagrant, and then he got hurt on the
Speaker 2: very next play. So maybe there's some football gods at play.
Speaker 2: I'm not quite sure. But it's funny because you know,
Speaker 2: if you're a diehard Bengals fan, you are rooting root
Speaker 2: for the Bills last night, and and then you know
Speaker 2: this week you got at Buffalo, So uh, it's gonna
Speaker 2: be an interesting weekend of football watching the AFC North.
Speaker 2: How this all shakes out.
Speaker 5: It is, it is, and it's it's fun because they're
Speaker 5: playing each other and they're also playing another contender in
Speaker 5: the Bills, and Daniel s Frans go from rooting for
Speaker 5: the Bills last night in Buffalo handled business to now
Speaker 5: you got to find a way to beat them in Buffalo,
Speaker 5: and and there's no margin for error. I think that's
Speaker 5: the thing I really want to stress here because a
Speaker 5: lot of people are going to hear us talking about
Speaker 5: playoffs and all of those things. Four and eight, well, yeah,
Speaker 5: because they got to win out and so you got
Speaker 5: to win five more games, six straight going into last week,
Speaker 5: now five straight because they hangled business months and the
Speaker 5: Bengals seem oddly comfortable in these scenarios. I don't know
Speaker 5: why they are, but they are. And I'm not saying
Speaker 5: they're going to go to Buffalo and win, but it
Speaker 5: just it feels like most teams would break knowing they
Speaker 5: have to win six straight, and the Bengals, starting with
Speaker 5: Joe Burrow, are sort of comfortable in those situations. Whether
Speaker 5: or not it happens, we'll see, but they certainly believe
Speaker 5: at this point that they are going to do that
Speaker 5: and get to nine and eight and get to a
Speaker 5: winning record for a sixth straight season.
Speaker 2: I think if the Bengals can stop the run, they
Speaker 2: beat the Bills. It's that simple.
Speaker 5: If they do. If they can do that, and that's
Speaker 5: not something the Bengals have done well. And I think
Speaker 5: about James Cook and that rushing attack and how patient
Speaker 5: he's on and I think that's the thing that stands
Speaker 5: out to me about him, is he will stop. He's
Speaker 5: got some Le'Veon Bell patience to him and then boom,
Speaker 5: instant speed. And we've seen him have some huge runs
Speaker 5: this year and he's a real weapon for them, so yeah,
Speaker 5: you can slow him down. Well, then, Josh Allen's still
Speaker 5: a big concern. But it does take away a huge
Speaker 5: element of their offense because they don't have the Jamar
Speaker 5: Chase and Key Higgins is outside at wide receiver.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you have the has no weapons. That's the problem.
Speaker 2: He's running it with his feet and now that's another
Speaker 2: element to it. S up in, Josh, and you worry
Speaker 2: about that putting your court pirate parrels there as goes
Speaker 2: your quarterback, goes the rest of the team, whether it's
Speaker 2: still Burrow Josh Allen. But let's get back to that
Speaker 2: Steelers Ravens game. I just I don't know what to
Speaker 2: expect of that because you don't know which version of
Speaker 2: which team you're gonna get.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you're right, you're like initially, I'm like, okay, Well,
Speaker 5: I assume Baltimore wins that game. Pittsburgh's reeling, Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 5: is calling out receivers and you mentioned Cam Hayward, and
Speaker 5: I just I don't think Pittsburgh's very good and their
Speaker 5: lone win in their last month was against this Bengals
Speaker 5: team with Joe Blacco and everything that came with that game.
Speaker 5: So yeah, I think I think Baltimore probably wins that game.
Speaker 5: And guess what, that's what the Bengals need, and they
Speaker 5: need that because they need the Steelers to keep losing
Speaker 5: because they don't have the tiebreaker as of today with them.
Speaker 5: And two, you still have a match up with Baltimore.
Speaker 5: So you got to sweep Baltimore and you didn't sweet Pittsburgh.
Speaker 5: You split with them, And so the Baltimore Ravens are
Speaker 5: the team you need to win. And it's not a
Speaker 5: huge difference in percentages playoff percentages, but it does change
Speaker 5: it by a few percentage points if the Ravens win
Speaker 5: versus the Steelers. So put on your Baltimore purpose.
Speaker 2: All right, let's say that. So since he goes to Buffalo,
Speaker 2: let's say they win, and we'll say that as you
Speaker 2: pray for that the Ravens beat the Steelers, so that
Speaker 2: a week from now would leave the Ravens at seven
Speaker 2: and six, Pittsburgh at six and seven, the Bengals at
Speaker 2: five and eight, with the Ravens and Bengals up next.
Speaker 5: And so that's when it gets really juicy, because you
Speaker 5: could go from right now, the Bengals have roughly a
Speaker 5: six percent chance to make the playoffs. You win this week,
Speaker 5: you get it up to thirteen percent, so it just
Speaker 5: more than doubles. If you win again, then during that
Speaker 5: thirty plus percent range, so it more than doubles. And
Speaker 5: then some it's like one and a half times your
Speaker 5: chances that they jump even more, and we really start
Speaker 5: to have that conversation of that pat. So these two weeks,
Speaker 5: these two games, when you look at the Bengals schedule,
Speaker 5: they're obviously the two toughest opponents, and if you can
Speaker 5: get past them, they have the most playoff impact if
Speaker 5: you're going to need some help along the way. But
Speaker 5: that Steelers schedule's tough. If you look at who the
Speaker 5: Steelers have, the Ravens that they are, they're dealing with
Speaker 5: some quality teams as well. So if you're the Bengals,
Speaker 5: you should feel like, all right, if we handle business
Speaker 5: this week, get it to a must win game against
Speaker 5: the Baltimore Ravens, a team we beat in their house,
Speaker 5: beat them, then we're really feeling good going into the
Speaker 5: middle part of December and a matchup against Miami.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because right, Steelers, Steelers off the Dolphins. After the
Speaker 2: Ravens game, the Lions the Browns and the Steelers again.
Speaker 2: So are the Ravens again, I guess I should say so, yeah,
Speaker 2: they said, and.
Speaker 5: The Lions are going to need that. The Lions need
Speaker 5: to string together some win.
Speaker 2: So, yeah, it's really interesting to be this late in
Speaker 2: the season despite what we've been through with the you know,
Speaker 2: Joe Burrow going down at the Bengals. Okay, if it's
Speaker 2: only one win, too, is the other thing people like, Oh,
Speaker 2: they're on a roll right now. Okay, it's one win,
Speaker 2: that's not a trend. And you got to get past
Speaker 2: the Bills at Buffalo at High Mark on on Sunday.
Speaker 2: Never an easy out, and obviously it's one game at
Speaker 2: a time, and that is so cliche. Fortunately the Browns
Speaker 2: are the Browns. But it's the worst division in football
Speaker 2: because you know, you're leading the division with a five
Speaker 2: hundred record, that it goes to show you the beautiful
Speaker 2: parody of the NFL.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it has been. Oh, it's been such a unique year.
Speaker 5: And honestly, when we do this and we play this game,
Speaker 5: I think of a few things one and I treated
Speaker 5: this over the weekend because the Vengals have their flaws.
Speaker 5: They're far from perfect. There's a bunch of areas that
Speaker 5: I get that the people discussed weaknesses from that ownership
Speaker 5: to front office on that right, we could get into
Speaker 5: those and we'd talk about those because of four and eight,
Speaker 5: and it's easy to talk about those things when they lose.
Speaker 5: I will say this that Joe Burrow and this is
Speaker 5: just the reality of it, at least for me. Had
Speaker 5: Joe Burrow stayed healthy, even with their flaws, I think
Speaker 5: he would have mattered in the games. And he does matter,
Speaker 5: just he impacts their mentality, how they carry themselves, their
Speaker 5: confidence as a team outside of just scoring points. And
Speaker 5: that was something the trap I think fans got caught
Speaker 5: in a few weeks ago was oh, well, Joe Flack
Speaker 5: was putting up points, it's not the offense. Well yeah, sure,
Speaker 5: But Joe Burrow being on the field and being Joe
Speaker 5: Burrow matters. It just does. And so with him back,
Speaker 5: I think they're going to feel like they can get anyone.
Speaker 5: And in a season where I especially with the Rams losing,
Speaker 5: where it doesn't feel like that there's a team that's
Speaker 5: just this unbeatable jugger munt. You you to me, My
Speaker 5: brain turns to I can't believe they believe that Jets game,
Speaker 5: And I can't believe that they didn't put Joe out
Speaker 5: there for the Patriots game, because they could have. You
Speaker 5: know that they would be in a much different spot
Speaker 5: had they won this game or that game, or that's
Speaker 5: gone different and none of those things did. But that's
Speaker 5: where that's where my mind turns for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I look at the remaining schedules here, right,
Speaker 2: and since he's has an easier path the Bengals to
Speaker 2: after Buffalo, of course it's gonna be a tough game.
Speaker 2: But if thinking when that you got Miami, you got
Speaker 2: the Cardinals, you got the Browns, those all feel like wins.
Speaker 2: The tough part about the Steelers and the Ravens respectively,
Speaker 2: is Baltimore still has the Patriots and Lions and the Steelers. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we've got the Lions in there and the Ravens again,
Speaker 2: so it seems like the path is a lot easier
Speaker 2: for the Bengals after this week.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's really it is. I view it as the
Speaker 5: two weeks.
Speaker 4: I get it.
Speaker 5: The Ravens are the Ravens right now, and they're six
Speaker 5: and six and it isn't going great. But there is
Speaker 5: a reason. The Bengals were seven point underdogs going into Thanksgiving,
Speaker 5: and this morning, I believe that last time I looked,
Speaker 5: they were six point underdogs against Buffalo. So the next
Speaker 5: two games are going to be tough. I think if
Speaker 5: you can get by those, and we're talking about a
Speaker 5: one in three playoff chance now with three to go,
Speaker 5: and you have the Dolphins, Cardinals, and Browns with two
Speaker 5: of those three at home. Now you're really talking about
Speaker 5: a chance here. Because last year they ran the table,
Speaker 5: but they needed they needed so many things to go
Speaker 5: their way, and it was this team and that team
Speaker 5: and that team, and there was like six different teams
Speaker 5: that needed to lose or do this or that, and
Speaker 5: they got all but one. And this year it's two
Speaker 5: teams and all you need them to do is lose
Speaker 5: a couple of games and you play one of those teams.
Speaker 5: And so it's much more simple from a past standpoint.
Speaker 5: Whether or not it happens is a whole nother discussion,
Speaker 5: but if you went out, you're talking about just a
Speaker 5: couple of football games going your way to get to
Speaker 5: nine mate and win the division.
Speaker 2: Really need Pittsburgh. I misspoke there, I said lost so Baltimore.
Speaker 2: The two tough games they have left are the Patriots
Speaker 2: and the Packers. I don't see them getting past either
Speaker 2: one of those teams. Pittsburgh has the Lions in Baltimore
Speaker 2: and those those feel like loss. I mean, I don't
Speaker 2: know if you're going to get past the Lions. Although
Speaker 2: the Lions with the team we saw last year. You
Speaker 2: talk about a change of garden in the in the league,
Speaker 2: right all the teams are the last couple of seasons,
Speaker 2: the cases, the Bills are on the edge, on the bubble.
Speaker 2: The Lions are are on the bubble as well. Uh,
Speaker 2: it's it's really changed almost overnight.
Speaker 5: It has. And I I think that those type of
Speaker 5: teams would be able to hit their stride. And I'm
Speaker 5: trying to see, I'm trying to think of a mon
Speaker 5: Rossie Brown just went down. When did the Ravens and
Speaker 5: and Lions play. They play the December. Okay, so there's
Speaker 5: there's some time. Now, there's twenty days for him to
Speaker 5: get help it. I think that's such a huge injury.
Speaker 5: I think Jamiir Gibbs is the best running back in
Speaker 5: doun rail. He is a buddy of mine. Text me
Speaker 5: like a month ago, like, who would you rather have
Speaker 5: Jonathan Taylor Jamiir Gibson. I said, the numbers are going
Speaker 5: to say Taylor, but I think Jamiir Gibbs is the best.
Speaker 5: And since then he felt up his end of the bargain.
Speaker 5: I I love watching him play, but they're tough. They're
Speaker 5: really talking about.
Speaker 2: It in Montgomery too. I mean, good, Look, you know
Speaker 2: when they're healthy. That is the best one two combination NFL.
Speaker 5: It is. It is when the weather changes, even if
Speaker 5: it's in that dove in Detroit, it just it feels like,
Speaker 5: all right, well, they're built to win those games. They've
Speaker 5: had some key injuries, though there's no doubinitely about some
Speaker 5: key injuries. So we'll see. But that's a tough one.
Speaker 5: Put it like that, I wouldn't be I would be
Speaker 5: bombed if I with the Bengals and I started to
Speaker 5: deal with the Lions and said you have the Cardinals.
Speaker 5: I'd much Rayther face the Cardinals.
Speaker 2: All right, they beat Bengals, beat the Bills, and it's
Speaker 2: entirely possible, and some may say likely for sure that
Speaker 2: that happens on Sunday. They got an easy path in
Speaker 2: here provide everything else shakes out with the difficulty of
Speaker 2: the schedule makers have for Baltimore and Pittsburgh, so it
Speaker 2: is doable. We have a chance. James Rapine over at
Speaker 2: at Bengals Talk dot com and Lockdown Bengals Only Daily
Speaker 2: Bengals podcast with us and I. Thanks again, brother, appreciate it.
Speaker 2: We'll talk in about a week.
Speaker 5: Wait.
Speaker 2: Thanks love it. Thanks again, man, I appreciate you. We've
Speaker 2: got news on the way with Willie. There's something good.
Speaker 2: There's some good news coming off the long holiday weekend.
Speaker 2: Right Bengals still in this thing, believe it or not,
Speaker 2: a chance to win the North. It's unreal. Seven hundred WWD, Cincinnati,