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Speaker 1: so for a bigger picture, Kevin Belson is back and

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Speaker 1: how the NFL became a monster and what drove the

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Speaker 2: Been very good.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for having me on.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we live in Cincinnati, where Paul Brown still cast

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Speaker 3: Jerry Jones and I started the book in the early nineties.

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Speaker 3: So just as a reference for it, if we're going

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and look at that line. Go well, Jerry Jones

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it really has. And I think Bob Kraft

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Speaker 1: Okay, so Paul Brown begets Jerry Jones a big gests

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Speaker 1: If that lineage you can got Bob Kraft Gtjrie Jones,

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Speaker 1: But there's a scarcity with the NFL, right And that's

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Speaker 1: So we get to Roger Goodell, now Ken and his

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Speaker 3: You're absolutely right, and it was audacious when he made

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Speaker 3: So they're finding money in new places, and look, brands

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl yesterday, of course, and we all watched that

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Speaker 3: It's one future of the NFL. I think there's something

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Speaker 1: All right, veteran New York Times sports reporter Ken Belson.

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Speaker 1: The book is every Day a Sunday, How Jerry Jones,

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Speaker 1: and economic juggernauts. Fantastic read, Very very interesting, and considering

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Speaker 1: Well guess well, guess was right there. So the number

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Speaker 1: came in, and I guess from what I understand, I

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Speaker 1: maybe if you saw it. I'm just curious if you

432
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Speaker 1: watching the kid Rock thing. And I've seen kid Rock

433
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Speaker 1: probably half dozen times. It's an awesome show. I mean,

434
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Speaker 1: he does a such a good job, so good, but like,

435
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Speaker 1: I wanted to see what Bad Bunny was about. I

436
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Speaker 1: know what kid Rocks about because I've seen him live

437
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Speaker 1: half dozen times, but didn't know what Bad Bunny was

438
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Speaker 1: about until I watched it. But I guess they had

439
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Speaker 1: streaming issues and it was also pre recorded, and someone

440
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Speaker 1: said it was also pretty much on a sink too,

441
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Speaker 1: so hey, good job there. So what were the numbers like,

442
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Speaker 1: because the genius isn't that well. NFL executives not to

443
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Speaker 1: be able to sleep at night. Yeah, because they're counting

444
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Speaker 1: all their money. Six million eyeballs with the kid Rock thing.

445
00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:48,720
Speaker 1: One hundred and thirty five million watched Bad Bunny. That

446
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Speaker 1: is now the most watched super Bowl halftime ever, beating

447
00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:58,040
Speaker 1: Kendrick Lamar last year's most watched Super Bowl halftime ever,

448
00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:02,280
Speaker 1: who beat out Michael Jackson, is the most watched super

449
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Speaker 1: Bowl halftime of all ever. That's a lot of eyeballs.

450
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Speaker 1: And I watched this one, Okay, I don't I don't

451
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Speaker 1: understand what he's saying. I don't get some of the references.

452
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Speaker 1: I certainly know it's an interesting perspective from Latino culture,

453
00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:18,159
Speaker 1: and you know, having all the flags at the end

454
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Speaker 1: of it, like, oh, okay, get it. This is about

455
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Speaker 1: the continent and all the way from the south to

456
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Speaker 1: the north of Canada. I guess I got some of

457
00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:27,600
Speaker 1: this stuff anyway, And yeah, we're there are political protests.

458
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Speaker 1: I think you had a kid that looked like the

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Speaker 1: five year old that got snatched up by ice, and

460
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Speaker 1: you're gonna have moments like that. You know, love beats hate,

461
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Speaker 1: and that's that true. The love doesn't the world doesn't

462
00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:39,879
Speaker 1: run on love, runs on fear and money. But you know,

463
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Speaker 1: here again your celebrity or naive about that stuff, was

464
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Speaker 1: really digging the sound. I love the sound of which

465
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Speaker 1: I got to understand the words, but I couldn't. I

466
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Speaker 1: think they missed on that one to maybe draw some

467
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Speaker 1: people in. But again, ten minutes of my life, I'm like,

468
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Speaker 1: I'm not. This is a battle I don't really care about.

469
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Speaker 1: But the business issue behind this, I think is really

470
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Speaker 1: interesting because Bad Bunny was the world's most streamed artist

471
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Speaker 1: for the fourth time last year, and it was obviously

472
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Speaker 1: a business move to reach the Latino fan base because

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Speaker 1: Roger Goodells, he made no stranger about it that he's

474
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Speaker 1: going to reach out and try and make the same

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Speaker 1: global audience. And you know, sometimes it's painful. You know,

476
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Speaker 1: the Berlin game at nine o'clock in the morning and

477
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Speaker 1: general teams that really don't matter are playing over there,

478
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Speaker 1: and you have Germany and now you have Latin America

479
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Speaker 1: being exposed to football as well, and so obviously it's

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Speaker 1: to get not only the Latino eyeballs on this thing,

481
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Speaker 1: but also younger ones who are you know, gen zers

482
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Speaker 1: are the future. And I think that's what's missing. This

483
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Speaker 1: whole thing is if you don't understand the bad bunny

484
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Speaker 1: thing is. I understand a little, very little of it,

485
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Speaker 1: but took it for what it was. It's because you're

486
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Speaker 1: not the target of it. You're you're not who they're

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Speaker 1: going after. Let me give an alg Okay, friend of mine,

488
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Speaker 1: Lisa Brown, who by the way, works at the Reds

489
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Speaker 1: we went to school together, good friend of mine, and

490
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Speaker 1: she used to work at MTV back in the day,

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Speaker 1: and people would say this is back in the nineties,

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Speaker 1: and then people, maybe our age would complain and go,

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Speaker 1: that was going on MTV music television because like, there's

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Speaker 1: no music, it's television, but there's no meaning. Whateveren the

495
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Speaker 1: music videos. You guys don't show any meaning to videos.

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Speaker 1: And their sponsor was I I'll never forget this because

497
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Speaker 1: it's one of the most sellient points ever, was that, well,

498
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Speaker 1: you know, Harmer says, you know who never says that? Who?

499
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Speaker 1: A fourteen year old never says what happened to the

500
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Speaker 1: music videos? But it's perfect that opens your eyes or

501
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:33,399
Speaker 1: your ears in the case maybe going oh okay, I

502
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Speaker 1: get it. But the people who complain that MTV is

503
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Speaker 1: and MTV and you're not watching it anyway. You're not

504
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Speaker 1: gonna go and watch old music videos or new music

505
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Speaker 1: videos because the music's not targeted to you. It's relevant

506
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Speaker 1: to a fourteen year old. And I think the Bad

507
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Speaker 1: Bunny thing emphasized that even more. It's it's targeted towards

508
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Speaker 1: the Latino crowd. It's also targeted towards younger people, very

509
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Speaker 1: younger people, the emerging money demographic, because look at this

510
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Speaker 1: way you look at the eyeballs on the super Bowl.

511
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Speaker 1: It's funny. The or for Bad Bunny. No one said, hey,

512
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Speaker 1: boycott the super Bowl, boycot the halftime show. Right, You're

513
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Speaker 1: still watching the super Bowl because well, it's football, it's

514
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Speaker 1: the last game of the year, it's a super Bowl. You'

515
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 1: gotta watch that. You're gonna watch for that in the ad,

516
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Speaker 1: it's the most American thing ever. And I think that's

517
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Speaker 1: what's angry people is there's no America in this. Well

518
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Speaker 1: they should be American. Well, We've had other artists in

519
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:23,119
Speaker 1: there too that certainly represented other cultures and the like,

520
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 1: and maybe not to this extreme, I understand it, but

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00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:27,359
Speaker 1: it goes to show you just how global the NFL

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Speaker 1: has become. And in a day and age where we're more,

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Speaker 1: I guess less globalists. That's why what flies in the

524
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:37,040
Speaker 1: face of this thing. But there's no one winding that

525
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:40,600
Speaker 1: because if you look at the NFL, you have every

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Speaker 1: eyeball you could possibly have in America watching the Super Bowl,

527
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Speaker 1: every eyeball of the top one hundred shows, ninety of

528
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Speaker 1: them are NFL football games. And so if you're to

529
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Speaker 1: grow the revenue for owners, for Mike Brown, what you

530
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Speaker 1: have to do is go outside the forty eight contiguous.

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Speaker 1: You have to go to foreign countries, different continents to

532
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Speaker 1: do that. In order to draw those eyeballs in, you

533
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 1: got to do things like bad Bunny to grow your bass.

534
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 1: You know, if you just continue to dry it out.

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Speaker 1: I don't know country and it mean nice, I'll beyond me.

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00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 1: It'd be nice to see a country artist once in

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Speaker 1: a while. And there went in like we've had hip

538
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 1: hop and urb and you know, we've we've now had Latino.

539
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 1: What's it called trap music. Okay, like like a good

540
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:29,879
Speaker 1: country artist to be pretty. Maybe next year they do it.

541
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Speaker 1: I don't know, but maybe there's at an appeal there.

542
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,360
Speaker 1: Maybe it's because, hey, guess what, we don't need more

543
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 1: Americans watching. We need more foreigners watching this thing in

544
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,719
Speaker 1: order to grow things. But I mean, I'm curious if

545
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,440
Speaker 1: you saw the halftime show and maybe you okay, okay,

546
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 1: I'll tolerate this, or maybe just kind of went and

547
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 1: open minded and watched it. I'll tell you what I

548
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 1: wish I would have understood. I wish I would have

549
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Speaker 1: paid attention in Spanish when I was younger, maybe remember

550
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 1: some of the words, but I don't know. You're singing

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00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:00,880
Speaker 1: too fast and it's kind of you know, Pitbull kind

552
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 1: of does a mix of English and Spanish, like okay, well,

553
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 1: it's it's it's like subtitles within the song itself. I get, okay, good,

554
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 1: but this is like the extreme of that. It's like

555
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 1: watching a totally it's like watching unibusy on or something

556
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,639
Speaker 1: like that. This is not for me, but I was.

557
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 1: I like the Latin sound. I think that's the coole sound.

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00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 1: How can you It's like we have banjo music in America,

559
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 1: like there are no depressing banjo songs. Same thing I

560
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,159
Speaker 1: think for Latin Caribbean music that or Latin music anyway,

561
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,879
Speaker 1: Like it's all upbeat, it's horns, it's it's pretty good.

562
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:32,879
Speaker 1: But you know, not my cup of tea, because I

563
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 1: would like to be able to sing along and understand

564
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,640
Speaker 1: what the what the words are. But there's I enjoy

565
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 1: hip hop, and there's many times I can't understand what

566
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Speaker 1: people are saying either because again it's not targeted me,

567
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 1: it's targeted to someone a third my age. But I

568
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 1: just you know't play along anyway in person. In super

569
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Speaker 1: Bowl Halftime Show and a Bad Bunny at five, one, three, seven,

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Speaker 1: four nine, The Big One talk Back iHeartRadio app Let

571
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Speaker 1: me go to a Lynn next on the show on

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Speaker 1: seven hunderd w a Lyn, good morning, how are you?

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Speaker 5: Good morning?

574
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Speaker 4: I'm good.

575
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Speaker 5: How are you?

576
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 1: I'm good? I'm good. I'm good.

577
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 2: Hey.

578
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 5: I'm sad because the Pats lost. I had a little

579
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Speaker 5: draft kings on that I got.

580
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 1: Well, I'm happy because I'm a Bills and Bengals fan,

581
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Speaker 1: so screw the Pats anyway, I'm sorry you lost money, though, Yeah.

582
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 5: I'm a Bengals and in Detroit fan. But uh, you

583
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Speaker 5: know what last night, I you just hit the nail

584
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Speaker 5: on the head on everything I was thinking. You know,

585
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Speaker 5: I'm seventy years old. I didn't understand a word of it,

586
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 5: as I didn't in Kendrick Lamar's music. You know, other

587
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 5: you just can't understand them sometimes. But I knew going

588
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Speaker 5: into watching this as much as I did that it

589
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 5: was going to be you know, the Latino dialogue. But man,

590
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Speaker 5: I tell you, I shock my seventy year old booty

591
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 5: because the rhythm looked great and I did like the Uh.

592
00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 5: I tried to figure out the references because I knew

593
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Speaker 5: he was going to refer to different things. So I

594
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 5: just was enriched with the culture and I did figure

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Speaker 5: it out. So I you know, I enjoyed it. You know,

596
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Speaker 5: stepping out of the box of money and power is hard, right,

597
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Speaker 5: so h yeah.

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Speaker 1: They're just stepping out. Well you know what it is, Leon,

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Speaker 1: it's stepping outside your comfort zone. I mean, we have

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Speaker 1: music we grew up and traditionally you always go back

601
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Speaker 1: and you know, I'll flipping around exam or something like that,

602
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 1: and it's like, you know, nine eighties, nineties. But yeah,

603
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Speaker 1: I've heard all those songs before and you can sing

604
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Speaker 1: along that's fine, and yeah, okay, I like to go

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Speaker 1: to shows where, you know, like I don't know when

606
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 1: Bunberry was here or Bourbon and beyond, you know, down

607
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Speaker 1: in Louisville, where you get exposed a whole bunch of

608
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Speaker 1: different artists, because you know, there's ones I like. But

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to listen to that NonStop. I mean,

610
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 1: there's some new artists out there that are absolutely incredible.

611
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Speaker 1: So I think life's too short. It's like, okay, whatever,

612
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 1: I don't listen.

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Speaker 5: To bad Bunny music. I didn't listen to his music

614
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Speaker 5: because it's just.

615
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Speaker 2: Not my show.

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Speaker 5: I am a large genre right, mostly classic rock and

617
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 5: the jazz. But I respect I respect that man because

618
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 5: I have I wanted to see him on other platforms

619
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Speaker 5: leading up to the halftime show. What kind of guy

620
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Speaker 5: is he? Yeah, you know, and I watched from Stephen

621
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Speaker 5: Colbert and some some different shows that kind of portray

622
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Speaker 5: who he is, how he speaks and how he reacts,

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Speaker 5: and I I have a lot of respect for the man,

624
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Speaker 5: so I enjoyed it looking at it in that to.

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Speaker 1: Those class, yeah, fair enough exactly, And I don't I

626
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 1: don't you know, because you can form or purport to

627
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Speaker 1: be something. It's like I have to like this specific music,

628
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 1: like I'm not allowed to go outside that box. Like

629
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Speaker 1: I'm not quite sure I agree with that if you

630
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Speaker 1: like something like I kind of like this guilty pleasure.

631
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 1: I have some guys that like chick flicks, like that's

632
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 1: kind of funny, and you you know, break their chops

633
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 1: about it. But it's like, yeah, it's what I like. Sorry,

634
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 1: I would admitting that it's outside the color and outside

635
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Speaker 1: the lines a little bit. And it's like and then

636
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 1: you're so you know, caught up in your beliefs. It's like,

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00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know Progressives, for example, you got

638
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 1: to pretend to really like The Grateful Dead and Fish

639
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 1: it's terrible. I gotta pretend I like, like, oh my god,

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Speaker 1: these sons are great. They're terrible. List't I smoke a

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Speaker 1: lot of weed. I like, I'll lisson go. It's still terrible.

642
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 1: It's just it's taking much longer. Or on the other

643
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Speaker 1: side of that is Christians. You know, if you're the

644
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Speaker 1: Christian identity, Christian and Christianity the whole thing, okay, with

645
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Speaker 1: the rest of the world knows you love Jesus, Okay,

646
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Speaker 1: get it awesome, that's awesome, But then you got to

647
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Speaker 1: pretend to like the Christian rock and it's terrible. Like

648
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Speaker 1: it's no, there's no green day of Christian rock, right,

649
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Speaker 1: It's like it's it's kind of the antithesis of it

650
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Speaker 1: or hip or whatever in my face, Like I gotta

651
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 1: pretend to like this stuff. It's still good to go, yeah,

652
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 1: this is not good and then go go listen to

653
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 1: something else. Just say, but man, people, the whole identity

654
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 1: thing is like wrapped up and it was just a

655
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Speaker 1: pain and the but to try and stream that, I think,

656
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 1: and you know, from what I understand, the you know,

657
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 1: six million eyeballs were I'm sure I'm sure you liked that.

658
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 1: I've seen Chris Rock, Chris Rock, seen Chris Rock too,

659
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 1: but Chris Kid Rock rather live a few times and

660
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 1: it's a great show. But like I've got bad, Buyer's

661
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 1: pretty good. I mean, I just wish I would understand

662
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 1: the music. I don't think I'm an download any of

663
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 1: his stuff simply because I don't understand what he's talking about.

664
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 1: But you know, the Latin beat and stuff like that,

665
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 1: the choreography, the live wedding and all that stuff, and

666
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 1: the fact that they got that much crap on and

667
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Speaker 1: off the field in twenty minutes was absolutely incredible to me. Incredible.

668
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Speaker 1: We'll do news and when we return, Dave the it

669
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Speaker 1: guy is here. So Nancy Guthrie, that case now enters

670
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Speaker 1: a second week. How Crypto could open the kidnapping floodgates

671
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 1: not just for you know, the rich and powerful, but

672
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 1: we could see a revival of kidnappings if they're successful

673
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 1: with this. Just how close are they and what we

674
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 1: need to know about Crypto and how all that works

675
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 1: with kidnapping details just ahead. Scott's Loan show, Home of

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Speaker 1: the Red, seven hundred al W Cincinnati. When you think

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Speaker 1: about the American dream, you think about Bill Cunningham.

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Speaker 5: I'm an American, and I always dream about Bill Cunningham.

679
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Speaker 1: That's because Willy is so dreaming.

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Speaker 6: Willy is so American.

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Speaker 1: I bet he's got a big eagle tattooed on his chest. Now,

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Speaker 1: I bet he's got a tattoo of an American muscle car. Yeah,

683
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Speaker 1: and his nipples are probably the tires. You can't get

684
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Speaker 1: any more American than that.

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Speaker 7: You can't get any more American than Willie.

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Speaker 8: Bill Cunningham today at twelve noon on seven hundred w

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Speaker 1: Our family dog Piper was slowing down, scratching herself and

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Speaker 1: losing interest in playtime. Here's your chance to win one

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Speaker 2: Now, want to be.

700
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Speaker 1: It's got phoning back on seven hundred w LW. Between

701
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Speaker 1: Super Bowl and everything else, we are now into the

702
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Speaker 1: second week of the Nancy Guthree kidnapping. FBI says we

703
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 1: have no suspects. The family says they will pay the

704
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 1: ransom several million dollars. So you hear that, you go, wow,

705
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 1: could they really get away with us? And how does

706
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 1: a crypto thing work? Anyway? Money it's untraceable. Is it

707
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:52,359
Speaker 1: like one of those Swiss bank accounts that bad guys

708
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 1: used to back at the task. If you had a

709
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 1: Swiss bank account, you're up to no good? Right, same

710
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 1: with crypto. I'm not sure. So we see a new

711
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 1: wave of kidnappings result because if they get away with it,

712
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 1: could you imagine the floodgates opening up on That is

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Speaker 1: Dave the it guy. This guy is a former black

714
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Speaker 1: hat hacker, which mean he's from the bad guys that

715
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 1: would hack and do things that I can't speak of

716
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 1: right now, but now has seen the light. He's of

717
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Speaker 1: white hat hackers who helps he good guys beat the

718
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Speaker 1: bad guys, and especially when digital meets crypto and everything

719
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:25,479
Speaker 1: else in blockchain and what it all means. Dave, welcome,

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Speaker 1: how you ben brother? Everything here is lovely? Well, let

721
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Speaker 1: me put you back on speaker.

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Speaker 2: There you go.

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Speaker 1: Everything here is lovely, all right, So let's jump into

724
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 1: this thing. It's a bizarre and gripping story. And you

725
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:40,279
Speaker 1: hope that she is still alive. Now I would think

726
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Speaker 1: she is simply because the FBI is saying, look, you know,

727
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 1: there's a kidnapping note, there's ransom. I'm sure the family

728
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Speaker 1: has evidence that she's still alive, otherwise they wentn't offer

729
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 1: the money. But how successful in the passes of spend.

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Speaker 1: As I recall top of my head, I think was

731
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Speaker 1: that the Colonial pipeline ransom was like two point three

732
00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:01,280
Speaker 1: million dollars or something like that. Crypto to me is, uh,

733
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,319
Speaker 1: it seems to me like we've done this before, but

734
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 1: somehow they've been able to get some of this money back, right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, it's really kind of a mix. You know,

736
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 4: it's not a big difference in a case like this,

737
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 4: and it is from you know, if you get ransomware

738
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Speaker 4: on your computer and it's time to pay with bitcoin,

739
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 4: you know, it's it's traceable. It's not as anonymous as

740
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 4: people think. You know, Bitcoin in and of itself isn't anonymous.

741
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 4: It's all a matter of how you set it up

742
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 4: and the steps that you can't.

743
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Speaker 2: You know, you get to.

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Speaker 4: Prethink a little bit, you know, if you really if

745
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Speaker 4: I put my black dad on, if I was going

746
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 4: to do something like this, I needed to start months

747
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 4: ago by creating an anonymous, you know, bitcoin address, but

748
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 4: I would need to make sure that I'm bouncing my

749
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:59,320
Speaker 4: VPNs around through the tour network, which is the dark web.

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Speaker 4: Want to make sure that I'm not using anything known

751
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Speaker 4: that you know it has ever been tied to me in

752
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 4: the past. I'm not using any banking regulation. Uh country easy,

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Speaker 4: you know at the US in places where you mentioned Switzerland,

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Speaker 4: i'mly enough, But if I wanted to cash out, Switzerland

755
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Speaker 4: would be one of the places I would want to

756
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Speaker 4: cash out too, for that reason, well, for the anonymity.

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Speaker 4: So all right, so I wouldn't want to.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let me go through the first steps here, because

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Speaker 1: you know, again we're still most I don't know most people,

760
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Speaker 1: but younger people certainly have a handle on crypto. Most

761
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Speaker 1: anybody over the age of forty, I think may struggle

762
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Speaker 1: with it. And if you're ever fifty, good luck with that.

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Speaker 1: But it's blockchain, it's encoded. It's so they set up

764
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Speaker 1: a I guess they would set up a bank account

765
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Speaker 1: in which the ransom money would be paid in crypto.

766
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 1: How does that whole transfer work? What goes on?

767
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Speaker 4: So it may not necessarily be a bank as typical

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Speaker 4: people consider. You know, they're bank down the street. It's

769
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Speaker 4: more of an exchange at crypto exchange, and you know,

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Speaker 4: you get online. There are a lot, you know, their

771
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 4: coinbase and Binance and a whole bunch of others. And

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00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:13,839
Speaker 4: you have to also look at what what kind of

773
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Speaker 4: cryptocurrency is being asked for. You know, it's bitcoin that

774
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 4: we all throw around bitcoin name because it's the most

775
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 4: well known name. But there are other forms of cryptocurrency

776
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 4: that use different you have that use different block chains.

777
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:33,800
Speaker 4: Do you have ethereum and many others. So even Trump

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00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 4: at a trump mean coin, right that was trading out.

779
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:39,360
Speaker 4: So anybody can create a coin of their own flavor

780
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Speaker 4: and decide what the value is of that coin, and

781
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 4: it's up to people to buy and sell it and

782
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Speaker 4: keep that value flowing. Right, So that's kind of the beginning.

783
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 4: But which have whatever platform that you're gonna get your

784
00:39:55,520 --> 00:40:00,839
Speaker 4: bitcoin for your you know, cryptocurrency from, that's where you

785
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:04,799
Speaker 4: can transfer that money to different wallets, you know, trying

786
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 4: to play chase the funds, hide the money from from law,

787
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Speaker 4: enforcemate that sort of thing, and ultimately consolidated all back

788
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Speaker 4: into a traditional bank account.

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Speaker 1: So somebody you have a couple of you know, all

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Speaker 1: these digital accounts and I requested, why wire me some money? Uh,

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Speaker 1: there are little tiny finger digital fingerprints in there. That

792
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Speaker 1: would be able to trace it to a person. So

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Speaker 1: it's not totally and completely anonymous. So how many layers

794
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Speaker 1: of laundering then has to go on here?

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Speaker 4: Uh for for you know, jest to get away with

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Speaker 4: it quite a bit, quite a bit, I say, somebody

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Speaker 4: that would put something like that together, if they just

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Speaker 4: did it off, they're tough because they pay it, you know,

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Speaker 4: at the end of something like this agut thery thing.

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Speaker 4: Then you know, you might fall enforcement might have an

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Speaker 4: easier way to trace them, you know, easier time.

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Speaker 6: I mean that in a.

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Speaker 4: Fair way, but uh, you know, because they are not

804
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Speaker 4: they didn't think it through right. They made a mistake somewhere.

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00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 4: But yeah, I could take you know, if if I

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Speaker 4: you know, said hey, uh get me five bitcoin and

807
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 4: you sent me five, I could split that up to

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Speaker 4: be you know, half a big point here and and

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Speaker 4: because of a big cooin there and whatever and spread

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Speaker 4: that out to tim payment. All of those would you

811
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Speaker 4: could see those on the blockchain, which is basically you know,

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Speaker 4: if you think of an old ticker tape, uh type

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Speaker 4: of thing, it's like a ticker tape floating by going

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Speaker 4: by on your screen. It says, you know, this amount

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Speaker 4: or one point seven big coin went from wallet A

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Speaker 4: to wallet be. That's aught it would show is about

817
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Speaker 4: to randomize wallet numbers and not necessarily people's names. And

818
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Speaker 4: then that's where the investigators have to really get busy,

819
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Speaker 4: because now you have to go faring where have those

820
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Speaker 4: wallets UH contacted and their connected to the pass? What banks?

821
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Speaker 4: What what? What scryptocurrency companies have they connected to? Et cetera,

822
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 4: et cetera. And like I said, if somebody did their

823
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Speaker 4: homework up front and we created all this stuff months

824
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Speaker 4: ago and then let them go what we call dark,

825
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Speaker 4: which means nobody's using them, nothing's happening with them, they

826
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Speaker 4: kind of fall off the radar. Then when you go

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Speaker 4: to case we use them and law enforcement tries to

828
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Speaker 4: trace them, then they've got no history to look at, right,

829
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Speaker 4: there's nothing there. It's been dark for months or years

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Speaker 4: or whatever in case y Be, you know. And and

831
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Speaker 4: then that way it makes them much harder to figure

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Speaker 4: out who is assigned to. And by the time they

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Speaker 4: do check it down, you had time to kind of

834
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Speaker 4: wash that, you know, wash it through a different place.

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Speaker 1: So there's no way to flag that ahead of time

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Speaker 1: that the counts active like you see the typical bank,

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Speaker 1: you'd have to keep an eye on it all till

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Speaker 1: you have to matter all the time, and you didn't

839
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Speaker 1: know what it is.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I mean a wallet address can be up

841
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Speaker 4: to like thirty five characters long, and it would just

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Speaker 4: be random X y, thirty seven, E five, you know,

843
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Speaker 4: et cetera, And you'd have to know what that address

844
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Speaker 4: is going to be edified, which you're just not going

845
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Speaker 4: to know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, And it's I know, it's really hard to

847
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Speaker 1: describe for those of us who aren't savvy with crypto

848
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 1: exactly what's going on here. But you know, for those

849
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Speaker 1: of us don't live in that world, there are different ways,

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Speaker 1: as you said, multiple wallets, different block chaps, converted, different

851
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Speaker 1: forms of change. If you do that enough times, does

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Speaker 1: it become practically untraceable, unrecoverable it does?

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Speaker 4: You know? You could you could take a bigcoin and

854
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Speaker 4: exchange it into ethereum, exchange it into the salata, et cetera.

855
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:46,760
Speaker 4: And when I start filling out these names of other cryptos,

856
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 4: I mean think about there are thousands on the global scale,

857
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Speaker 4: and you know, these well known cryptos thousands, and so

858
00:43:57,680 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 4: I could take you know, that one big coin and

859
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 4: break down so minutely that in a ware a few

860
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 4: to trace it, you had to you know, tase a point.

861
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:11,880
Speaker 4: Here is zero zero seven five three segment of bitcoin

862
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 4: that get transferred into Solara, that get transferred into uh,

863
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 4: you know, ethereal.

864
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Speaker 1: And then different wallet's on top of that. It sounds

865
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:24,800
Speaker 1: like you're literally trying to find not even a needle

866
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:27,719
Speaker 1: in a haystack, but you know, maybe just the very

867
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Speaker 1: tip of the needle in the in a world of haystacks.

868
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 1: It sounds almost untraceable if they're doing it right. You know,

869
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 1: it's really early in this investigation. We also don't know

870
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Speaker 1: exactly what the FBI knows. We never will until maybe

871
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Speaker 1: later at some point in years and years and years

872
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 1: from now we're still around, hopefully, Nancy Guthrie is, but

873
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:50,319
Speaker 1: does it sound does this look like like this is

874
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 1: a lot more organized than a snatch and grab, like

875
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 1: they put a lot of thought on this. Does does

876
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 1: it come off as you and again we don't know

877
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 1: anything behind the scenes here, but do you have that

878
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:02,760
Speaker 1: suspicion that this is a really well organized operation?

879
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 4: You know, I I don't know, and I'll say it

880
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 4: for two reasons. Well, when I know that there was

881
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:13,800
Speaker 4: some guy at his name is staves me that's already

882
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:17,359
Speaker 4: been uh you know, got in trouble this week or

883
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 4: sometimes you know, last week of a fraudulent crypto claims. Right,

884
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 4: he's you know, and and and so obviously that idea

885
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:31,440
Speaker 4: came out and somebody started to cash in on the idea.

886
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:34,840
Speaker 4: But it also does to me like it took it

887
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 4: took a long time to get to the crypto piece

888
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 4: of this puzzle, you know, whereas I used my uh well,

889
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:47,839
Speaker 4: so my experience was ransomware and not necessarily extortion via

890
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 4: kid happy, but you know, in ransomware, you immediately know,

891
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 4: hey there's a ransom for block for crypto. You know, uh,

892
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 4: it's right on your communience street. Hey this big coin

893
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 4: by this day or goes up or whatever the case is.

894
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 4: So you know pretty quickly, and if if that type

895
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 4: of extortion or that type of organization is getting into

896
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 4: the physical kid that being a crypto world, then you know, gosh,

897
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 4: they were very patient, right, you know, to plan out

898
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 4: that kid that being to do it and then wait

899
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:28,280
Speaker 4: a little bit before they have throughout the whole crypto

900
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Speaker 4: gall and so I think, you know, it's hard to say,

901
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 4: I mean, gosh, it feels like it's maybe maybe it's

902
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 4: not an entirely new world for he's into law enforcement people.

903
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:43,240
Speaker 4: But you know when they start bringing in their IT people,

904
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 4: in their their people that trace this thing, geta fe

905
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:49,360
Speaker 4: actually do flavor.

906
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Speaker 1: It is Uh, it's pretty jaw dropping because you know,

907
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Speaker 1: in the past, as we mentioned earlier, it's Dave, the

908
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Speaker 1: I T guy in the show on seven hundred w

909
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Speaker 1: w w's our black hat white hat hacking expert on

910
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Speaker 1: the show and knows a lot of things about the

911
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 1: deep and dark Web and things unbelievable stuff that he's

912
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 1: seen online. And unfortunately he's working on the good guy

913
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 1: side of this thing, has no hand in this investigation,

914
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:14,359
Speaker 1: but it's kind of taking us through what the FBI

915
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 1: is up against here. In the ransom for Nancy Guthrie,

916
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:19,759
Speaker 1: who we presume is still live, the family came out

917
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:21,880
Speaker 1: and said, we'll give you the six million. It's going

918
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 1: to be in bitcoin or wreathium or whatever the digital wallet,

919
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 1: whatever the crypto is, and it'll be converted and laundered

920
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:30,359
Speaker 1: in a bunch of different ways, making it really really

921
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:32,760
Speaker 1: hard for anyone to get traced. So you know, typically

922
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 1: We've all seen the heist movies where they've got Duffel

923
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 1: bags full of hundreds in jenas Jason Stadium being a

924
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 1: badass or something like that. In this case, it's all digital.

925
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 1: So you don't have that transportation issue. You don't have

926
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 1: the physical cash issue. You rob a bank, right, they

927
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 1: throw the bundle in that has the tracer on or

928
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 1: the die pack. Can you have a digital equivalent of that?

929
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:55,280
Speaker 1: Knowing that they're going to give these people or person

930
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 1: bitcoin or whatever it might be, they can the fbiack,

931
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:00,400
Speaker 1: Can the Feds actually put a little bit of a

932
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 1: I don't know, a digital fingerprint in that particular transaction

933
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 1: or is that untouchable?

934
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:10,439
Speaker 4: It's it's not assari I have put it there. It's

935
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 4: more so that by default electronic items put them there.

936
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:17,320
Speaker 4: You know, like your computer has an IDEA address, so

937
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 4: that's okay, but it also has a MAC address, and

938
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:22,759
Speaker 4: that it is a fingerprint for your computer or your

939
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:26,880
Speaker 4: phone or anything in technology that such is the Internet.

940
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:30,879
Speaker 4: So you know, there are different fingerprints the routers that

941
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 4: a signal goes through, uh, leaves of drifts, So there

942
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:38,439
Speaker 4: are you know, I mean, you know lower as you said,

943
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:41,920
Speaker 4: tracing package that that people can hear that. You know,

944
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 4: law enforcement could use that, all the people can use

945
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 4: the kind of be a bigger picture. But again, if

946
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:51,480
Speaker 4: somebody's planned it out well enough, you know, it would

947
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 4: be the same as you know, if you went and

948
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 4: buy yourself a house and put it under a shell

949
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:01,880
Speaker 4: court that was by a shell corp, by a shell corporate,

950
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 4: et cetera. You know, somebody can ultimately figure out that

951
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:07,800
Speaker 4: you own that house. Let's won't take them a while,

952
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:10,920
Speaker 4: and by the time they figured it out, you may

953
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 4: not care, you know. So you know, different, different analogy,

954
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 4: but trying the same same idea as to how hard

955
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 4: it could be. So is it impossible? Absolutely not. You know,

956
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 4: they're law enforcement takes down these ransomware games, you know,

957
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:31,440
Speaker 4: on an annual basis. So it happens, it gets crazy.

958
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 4: It just isn't as fast usually as most people want

959
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 4: it to be. But again, this kidnapper, a person, whatever

960
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:42,839
Speaker 4: this whole deal is, you know, not not be as

961
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 4: tech savvy as if they are. They might be uh

962
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:52,239
Speaker 4: scrambling or shares. Now they're going to mess it up

963
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:53,360
Speaker 4: and give themselves away.

964
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, in the past, you know, we we've seen

965
00:49:57,120 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 1: a rise in these things largely as you mentioned, it's ransomware,

966
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:02,239
Speaker 1: colonial pipeline. I just looked this up. FBI got two

967
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:05,440
Speaker 1: point three million back from that and six million of

968
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 1: the fifteen paid for the Chicago crypto case. But now

969
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:12,400
Speaker 1: now this is a high profit, high profile individual, national

970
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:15,880
Speaker 1: attention on this whole story. If this is successful, I mean,

971
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:17,799
Speaker 1: it's like a I don't know, maybe a modern day

972
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:20,800
Speaker 1: version of the Lindberg baby kidnapping, right where the FBI

973
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 1: said enough, we're going to stop this, because back in

974
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 1: the twenties and thirties it was rampant with kidnappers for

975
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:30,080
Speaker 1: the same thing until it became a federal crime. If

976
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:32,400
Speaker 1: indeed this looks and it turns out to be successful

977
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:34,839
Speaker 1: over a long period of time, Dave, do you think

978
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 1: that other people look at this and go, now it

979
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 1: opens the fudgates for kidnappers.

980
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:43,359
Speaker 4: Absolutely, I mean you've already got you know, kidnapped being

981
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 4: a store. Shit is going on and Eastern European countries,

982
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 4: you know. And then just like you said, this has

983
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:52,759
Speaker 4: been a high profile enough that you know, I watched

984
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:56,440
Speaker 4: BBC and other international channels and this has shown up

985
00:50:57,000 --> 00:51:00,799
Speaker 4: on the international stage. And it may be that it's

986
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 4: already happened in Eastern Europe at a local level where

987
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:04,840
Speaker 4: we are.

988
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:05,960
Speaker 3: Not hearing about it.

989
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:08,239
Speaker 4: And it could be that, you know, the FBI and

990
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:11,720
Speaker 4: ANSA and whoever else has had to reach out across

991
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:14,799
Speaker 4: the pond to get some experience or to get some

992
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 4: ideas or tips. You know, this could already be a

993
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:20,799
Speaker 4: thing that we're just in a dark because you know,

994
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:24,320
Speaker 4: typically America is behind Europe and just about everything.

995
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:28,759
Speaker 1: Right techno from a technology perspective. But on that I

996
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:30,759
Speaker 1: look at this and go okated. In nineteen thirty two,

997
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 1: I believe it was when the Lindberg baby disappeared as

998
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:36,839
Speaker 1: kidnapped and Charles bertoll Hopman was the one who was

999
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:41,800
Speaker 1: caught and summarily execute as a result of that capital crime.

1000
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:44,919
Speaker 1: That changed federal laws. They changed right away. It became

1001
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:46,920
Speaker 1: a the preview the FBI, and now you could go

1002
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:49,360
Speaker 1: across state lines and the death penalty was part of

1003
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:51,759
Speaker 1: this whole thing, and it stopped a lot of the kidnappings.

1004
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:53,319
Speaker 1: We saw a little bit, you know, Patty Hurst back

1005
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 1: in the seventies with different types of movements, but now

1006
00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:58,880
Speaker 1: it looks like it's back in a crypto form. Is

1007
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:01,279
Speaker 1: there anything agat new to change laws to do what

1008
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 1: they did in nineteen thirty two with Lindbergh to prevent

1009
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:07,239
Speaker 1: more kidnappings, or are our hands tied when it comes

1010
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 1: to this.

1011
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:11,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a good question. Again, I only played an

1012
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:14,000
Speaker 4: attorney on YouTube, so I have to gets here. But

1013
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:17,880
Speaker 4: I think, you know, when it comes to like me

1014
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 4: being if I was ex kiddingapper and I said an

1015
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:24,799
Speaker 4: email or some kind of note about ransomware, as soon

1016
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:30,440
Speaker 4: as I involved the cryptocurrency world, in my esteem, I

1017
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:33,440
Speaker 4: believe that the Feds already have some laws already wrapped

1018
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:36,799
Speaker 4: around in place to make that a federal card. You know,

1019
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:39,719
Speaker 4: we have that, we have that with ransomware. As soon

1020
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 4: as you do that, the Feds get involved, be involved

1021
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 4: if they want to be at least. So I think

1022
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:50,799
Speaker 4: to some extent that that rapper is already there. But

1023
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 4: with day now, you know, the law, have any kids

1024
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 4: up the technology you know that we that we see

1025
00:52:56,719 --> 00:53:00,719
Speaker 4: every you know, every year and every everything that happens,

1026
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:05,400
Speaker 4: It wouldn't surprised me that some new kind of tirestore

1027
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 4: or additional you know, get dumb or something would would

1028
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:12,600
Speaker 4: get looked at or something like this, especially if it

1029
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:16,360
Speaker 4: just becomes effective. I really, I hate I hate to

1030
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Speaker 4: say that I'm interested. Didn't see how this turned out,

1031
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:21,879
Speaker 4: but I mean, just how this turned out.

1032
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well I think we are too, because it feels

1033
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:25,879
Speaker 1: like that might be hanging in the balance here.

1034
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:26,399
Speaker 4: Uh.

1035
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:28,200
Speaker 1: And then, as you said, the FBI has really got

1036
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Speaker 1: that work cut out for them. He's Dave, the I

1037
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Speaker 1: T guy in the Scotsland. Appreciate you jumping on this morning, buddy.

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Speaker 1: Always great information, all the.

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Speaker 2: Best, Thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 8: Health Monday with mental health expert Julie Hattershire.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, mental Health Monday. That's how we roll, especially today

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Speaker 1: with you know you're in winter and everything else. We've

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Speaker 1: talked a lot about that. There's another element here too,

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Speaker 1: and it is probably one of the things if you

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Speaker 1: think of the elements and illnesses that you don't want

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Speaker 1: to get, not that you want to get one, but

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Speaker 1: you don't want to get, dementia has to be pretty

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Speaker 1: near the top of list for you, right, It is

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Speaker 1: for me because that effects of forty two percent of

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Speaker 1: people over the age of fifty five see some of

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Speaker 1: the effects of dementia. So brain changes begin decades though

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Speaker 1: before the symptoms of We know that now there's a

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Speaker 1: new tool that could help in this, and of course

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Speaker 1: Julie Heatershare, our licensed mental health therapist, to explain. Julie, welcome, Hey,

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Speaker 1: how are you. I'm doing fine. I worry about things

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Speaker 1: like you know, als and dementia. I mean, these are horrible,

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Speaker 1: horrible illnesses that you wouldn't even wish on your worst

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Speaker 1: enemy because and I think for dementia, for the person,

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Speaker 1: it's probably not bad. I'm guessing it's the caregivers. It's

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Speaker 1: your loved ones that watch this cognitive decline occur. And

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Speaker 1: that's the worst part about it.

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Speaker 11: I think it's a really hard part about it. And

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Speaker 11: this is a topic that's so important to me because

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Speaker 11: I have Alzheimer's on both sides of my family. My

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00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:42,440
Speaker 11: maternal grandmother at Alzheimer's, my father currently does, and then

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Speaker 11: my sons get that double whammy of Alzheimer's from me,

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Speaker 11: but they get a whole lot of Parkinson's disease on

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00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:50,880
Speaker 11: their dad's side of the family, which is another illness.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, not wish on your worst enemy.

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Speaker 11: So I've been really paying a lot of attention of

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Speaker 11: late to what we can do to prevent or mitigate

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00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 11: the impact of these neurological illnesses, and dementia is one

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Speaker 11: that I've been focused on because I have been dealing

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Speaker 11: with it with my dad excellence.

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Speaker 1: I mean not excellent, your dad is excellent. That you are,

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Speaker 1: you know, because I think a lot of people worry

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Speaker 1: about it, and maybe we can assuage some fears here.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I think maybe we can give people some information

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Speaker 11: that you might not hear in the news so much

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Speaker 11: so in the news, we hear a whole lot about

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Speaker 11: supplements for brain health, and those can be really useful

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00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:29,160
Speaker 11: about changing your diet the Mediterranean diet, nuts, grains, vegetables, fish,

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Speaker 11: not a lot of meat, not a lot of deep

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Speaker 11: fried food, Olive oil, not a lot of sugar. That

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Speaker 11: definitely improves mental cognition. Pharmaceuticals, there are new medications out

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Speaker 11: there that slow the impact. But something that I think

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Speaker 11: doesn't get a whole lot of traction in the media

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00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:51,120
Speaker 11: are the cognitive and lifestyle changes that you can make

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Speaker 11: that will either prevent the disease to some degree or

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Speaker 11: at least slow the onset of the symptoms and compress

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Speaker 11: it into a shorter time frame. You're dealing with it

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Speaker 11: in the last few years of your life, perhaps not

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Speaker 11: the last decade or two of your life.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so let's start there. Then. From your experience, it's

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Speaker 1: called cognitive reserve. I think that's the big thing I mentioned.

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Speaker 1: You know, there's a new tool that can he is

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Speaker 1: it really a tool? What's cognitive reserve?

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Speaker 11: It's not so much a tool as it is a

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Speaker 11: word to describe a bunch of different things that all

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Speaker 11: fall into this idea that the more brain matter you

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Speaker 11: have that you use, the more you can lose before

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00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:34,400
Speaker 11: you start to notice it. So think of it like

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Speaker 11: your brain's bank account. If you have a lot of

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Speaker 11: money in your actual bank account, you can lose five

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Speaker 11: hundred dollars and while you might not be happy about it,

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Speaker 11: it's not going to have a huge impact on your life.

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00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:47,880
Speaker 11: If you've only got one thousand dollars in your bank

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00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:50,240
Speaker 11: account and you lose five hundred, five hundred is going

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Speaker 11: to have a much bigger impact on your life. So

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Speaker 11: the more cognitive matter you have in your brain at

1150
00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:00,920
Speaker 11: the time that the symptoms begin, the more you can

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Speaker 11: lose before you really start to notice the effects. So

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Speaker 11: we're talking about how to bulk up your brain such

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Speaker 11: that how to bulk up your brain's bank account such

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Speaker 11: that the dementia doesn't have such a huge impact.

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Speaker 1: Okay, like a muscle, right, you build it up superhuman

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00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:20,040
Speaker 1: strength there and you can lose a little but you'll

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Speaker 1: still be okay. So cognitive reserve, So how do you

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Speaker 1: build that brain up and what you're talking about, how

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Speaker 1: do you add funds to that account?

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Speaker 11: Well, so the first thing is this idea of life

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00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:34,000
Speaker 11: long learning. And for many people that's a tenant they

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Speaker 11: live by. But for other people, they go to school,

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Speaker 11: they go to high school, they may go to college,

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Speaker 11: and then they sort of fall into doing the same

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Speaker 11: thing over and over and over again in their life

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Speaker 11: and not trying to either deep in their learning or

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Speaker 11: learn something new. So one of the things that we've

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Speaker 11: learned in a whole bunch of years of studying this

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Speaker 11: is that lifelong learning continuing to challenge your brain, either

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Speaker 11: going deeper in the field that you're already in, learning

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Speaker 11: more and more about what you do, picking up a

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Speaker 11: new hobby, learning a new language, learning a new skill,

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Speaker 11: and having it be something that you can actually practice

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Speaker 11: and put into use keep all of those brain cells functioning.

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Speaker 11: It actually builds new brain connections, new neural connections, and

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Speaker 11: it can build new brain cells, and so that when

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Speaker 11: some start to die as a result of the dementia,

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Speaker 11: you have others to take their place. So lifelong learning,

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Speaker 11: whether it's a new skill set, whether it's a new language,

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Speaker 11: whether it's a totally different field. I changed completely changed

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Speaker 11: fields in my mid thirties. I know people who have

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Speaker 11: completely changed fields in their forties and fifties and had

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Speaker 11: to learn a whole new discipline. All of that sets

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Speaker 11: you up to have a lot of brain power available

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Speaker 11: as you age.

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Speaker 1: Okay, and that makes total sense. So the idea that hey,

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Speaker 1: and this is maybe why you see it in people

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Speaker 1: who are I retire, I don't want to do anything

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Speaker 1: like me. I've joked for a long time, like, I'll

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Speaker 1: tell you when I retire, all the stuff you need

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Speaker 1: to know about world events and all these history and

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Speaker 1: all those things. It's like, within six months, I'm going

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Speaker 1: to be the dumbest son of a bit you ever

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Speaker 1: met in your life, because, simon, I'm not looking at anything, man,

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Speaker 1: I'm not reading. And that's probably a bad strategy.

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Speaker 11: It's probably a bad strategy unless you say I'm not

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Speaker 11: going to do that anymore. I'm going to do something

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Speaker 11: else instead. I'm going to really focus and try to

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Speaker 11: dive deep abroad into some other things instead. So it's

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Speaker 11: not not doing what you are doing, it's not doing

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Speaker 11: anything at all. So if your retirement looks like watching

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Speaker 11: reruns of Reds games on the TV and drinking beer,

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Speaker 11: you're probably not setting yourself up for success. But if

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Speaker 11: it looks like completely changing field and going into even

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Speaker 11: more flipping houses and rehabing houses than you already do,

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Speaker 11: or finding some other discipline or some other field that

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Speaker 11: you really want to get involved in and learning new things.

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Speaker 11: That makes perfect sense.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, okay, the approach should be, yeah, I'm

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Speaker 1: going to play more golf, travel more, but also like

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Speaker 1: maybe I'll learn to play an instrument, or I don't know,

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Speaker 1: if I'll learn better to tell your Spanish or something

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Speaker 1: like that. Those are things that you could volunteering. Those

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Speaker 1: are things that engage your brain.

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Speaker 11: Volunteering is a wonderful one. I do want to talk

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Speaker 11: a minute about learning to play an instrument. So learning

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Speaker 11: to play an instrument is a wonderful thing to do.

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Speaker 11: I was a music major in undergrad, but I was

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Speaker 11: a singer. I wasn't an instrumentalist. I'm now teaching myself

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Speaker 11: to play piano. So, first of all, music is another language.

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Speaker 11: So when we talk about learning languages, we think about French, Italian, German, Spanish.

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Speaker 11: Music is another language. And when you actually play an instrument,

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Speaker 11: your hands are dexterous and they have to do different things.

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Speaker 11: There's no instrument where your hands do the same thing

1225
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Speaker 11: all the time. So that physical piece of the learning

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Speaker 11: as well as the new language is really important and

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Speaker 11: fires up two different parts of your brain at the

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Speaker 11: same time. That's gold. So musical instrument or a wonderful

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Speaker 11: way to assuage or minimize the effects of Alzheimer's. Okay,

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Speaker 11: but yes, learning a different language. Volunteering is really important,

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Speaker 11: being of service to others, having a purpose in life,

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Speaker 11: doing something in your volunteer world that maybe is a

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Speaker 11: little bit different than you did in your work world.

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Speaker 11: If you were mostly a sitter and a talker like

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Speaker 11: I am, maybe volunteering you do something more physical. If

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Speaker 11: you were mostly a physical person like a builder or

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Speaker 11: a landscaper, maybe in your volunteer life you do something

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Speaker 11: a little more sitting and talking. So you're not just

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Speaker 11: working one set of skills or one set of attributes

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Speaker 11: that you have. You're branching out and strengthening others as well.

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Speaker 1: Nice, Okay, good, all that makes sense. It's like doing

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Speaker 1: something up. But you've got it. You've got to be

1243
01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:47,200
Speaker 1: a little curious, intellectually curious one to learn new things.

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01:03:47,560 --> 01:03:49,480
Speaker 1: Just sitting there and doing the same things you've always

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Speaker 1: done is not going to be good. For your mental health,

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Speaker 1: and we see the client when it comes to dementia

1247
01:03:53,680 --> 01:03:55,040
Speaker 1: because that is a fear for a lot of people

1248
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Speaker 1: as we age. You know, Alzheimer's dementia is very, very frightening.

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Speaker 1: And are there other elements here too? You mentioned supplements,

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Speaker 1: and I know that's maybe outside your scope a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Here is are there things that actually help?

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Speaker 11: Or the thing that I can say with confidence that

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Speaker 11: actually helps is the more Mediterranean based diet. Okay, there

1254
01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:18,640
Speaker 11: is so much research behind that that even as a

1255
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Speaker 11: lay person, I can say with confidence that every doctor

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Speaker 11: I know would recommend that as a brain based diet.

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Speaker 11: And that really is vegetables and fruits, whole grains, nuts, beings, fish,

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Speaker 11: not a lot of actual red meat, not a lot

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Speaker 11: of fried foods, all of oil, not a lot of sugar.

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Speaker 12: So that diet, I.

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Speaker 11: Can say as a therapist is really great. Anything else

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Speaker 11: would be outside my scope of practice, so I wouldn't

1263
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Speaker 11: be able to talk to that. But another thing that

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Speaker 11: can really help is physical activity. And we know that

1265
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Speaker 11: physical activity is great for all different kinds of things

1266
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Speaker 11: like anxiety and depression. It's also really good for maintaining

1267
01:04:58,920 --> 01:05:03,800
Speaker 11: your cognitive else and when you do complex physical movements.

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Speaker 11: So getting out and walking is lovely. I'm in no

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Speaker 11: way saying that isn't lovely. But when you do complex

1270
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Speaker 11: movements that engage your brain and require quick reactivity, that's

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Speaker 11: even better. So playing a sport like tennis a pick

1272
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Speaker 11: a ball where you have to respond to what's coming

1273
01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:23,080
Speaker 11: at you over the next or taking up dance partner dance,

1274
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Speaker 11: ballroom dance where you have to remember choreography, or playing

1275
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Speaker 11: golf even where you have to manage multiple small adjustments

1276
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Speaker 11: in your movement in order to get a desired result.

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Speaker 4: All of those.

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Speaker 11: Engage your brain. Whereas walking you can kind of shut

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01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:42,080
Speaker 11: your brain off you go for a long run. People

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01:05:42,120 --> 01:05:44,640
Speaker 11: talk about being able to shut their brain off. There's

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01:05:44,760 --> 01:05:47,520
Speaker 11: benefit to that. But when we're talking about the cognitive

1282
01:05:47,680 --> 01:05:51,600
Speaker 11: benefits of exercise, things that actually make your brain and

1283
01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:56,720
Speaker 11: body work together, yoga, martial arts, tai chi, things like that,

1284
01:05:57,160 --> 01:05:59,880
Speaker 11: those are really important because your brain has to say

1285
01:06:00,080 --> 01:06:01,720
Speaker 11: involved as your body is moving.

1286
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. So with your well, what

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01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:07,560
Speaker 1: about social media TikTok for example, you see you've got

1288
01:06:07,560 --> 01:06:14,600
Speaker 1: to use your thumbs to scroll, Yeah, and you.

1289
01:06:14,680 --> 01:06:16,880
Speaker 11: Just blaze over in front of it and let it

1290
01:06:16,920 --> 01:06:20,040
Speaker 11: all wash over you like a sea of toxicity or

1291
01:06:21,320 --> 01:06:27,600
Speaker 11: redundancy either way. So social engagement yes, social media engagement

1292
01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:30,040
Speaker 11: not so much. And what we know about the social

1293
01:06:30,080 --> 01:06:34,480
Speaker 11: engagement is verbal social engagement is the best in person

1294
01:06:34,720 --> 01:06:38,120
Speaker 11: or even on the phone, because if you are engaging

1295
01:06:38,160 --> 01:06:40,640
Speaker 11: with people via text or via email they send you

1296
01:06:40,680 --> 01:06:42,160
Speaker 11: a test or they send you an email, you have

1297
01:06:42,200 --> 01:06:44,320
Speaker 11: an opportunity to think about how you want to respond,

1298
01:06:44,680 --> 01:06:48,200
Speaker 11: You have an opportunity to process through it. Sometimes that's good,

1299
01:06:48,240 --> 01:06:50,800
Speaker 11: but if we're talking about keeping your mental powers sharp,

1300
01:06:51,320 --> 01:06:53,920
Speaker 11: being able to respond quickly, being able to go back

1301
01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:57,040
Speaker 11: and forth in a conversation, being able to pivot, being

1302
01:06:57,080 --> 01:06:59,800
Speaker 11: able to support your points and to engage in that way,

1303
01:07:00,120 --> 01:07:03,200
Speaker 11: keeps your brain nimble and nimble and agile brains are

1304
01:07:03,320 --> 01:07:06,680
Speaker 11: far less likely to experience the sentence of dementia than

1305
01:07:06,760 --> 01:07:09,960
Speaker 11: brains that are less nimble and agile. So social engagement

1306
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:13,400
Speaker 11: is important, but verbal social engagement is the best of all.

1307
01:07:13,880 --> 01:07:19,600
Speaker 1: Relative to dementia. Are things like depression chronic stress PTSD.

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01:07:19,720 --> 01:07:21,160
Speaker 1: Does that increase dementia risk?

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01:07:22,120 --> 01:07:24,560
Speaker 11: Yes, absolutely it does. And one of the things that

1310
01:07:25,200 --> 01:07:30,160
Speaker 11: was surprising to me is early hearing loss increases dementia risk.

1311
01:07:30,520 --> 01:07:33,720
Speaker 11: So if you're hearing goes in your forties or fifties,

1312
01:07:33,760 --> 01:07:36,760
Speaker 11: the likelihood that you're going to experience dementia goes up

1313
01:07:36,800 --> 01:07:40,840
Speaker 11: pretty significantly. So one of the things that joses are

1314
01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:42,360
Speaker 11: now recommending.

1315
01:07:44,120 --> 01:07:45,320
Speaker 4: Is that you get you know what I do.

1316
01:07:45,400 --> 01:07:47,400
Speaker 1: I wear a headphones for at least three hours a

1317
01:07:47,480 --> 01:07:51,840
Speaker 1: day and I'm path right now. So thanks, that's yeah.

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01:07:52,040 --> 01:07:54,800
Speaker 11: And I have seen you at concerts too without your plugs,

1319
01:07:54,840 --> 01:07:56,040
Speaker 11: so I know these things.

1320
01:07:56,320 --> 01:07:59,880
Speaker 1: I'm not paying to hear the sound of the ocean,

1321
01:08:00,120 --> 01:08:03,120
Speaker 1: my ears from the tenatus. I'm paying to hear the.

1322
01:08:03,160 --> 01:08:05,120
Speaker 6: Music, really, to hear the music.

1323
01:08:05,280 --> 01:08:09,720
Speaker 11: I know, I know, so early hearing loss is surprisingly

1324
01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:13,280
Speaker 11: a risk factor for dementia, as is early loss of vision.

1325
01:08:13,680 --> 01:08:15,720
Speaker 11: So with my dad, one of the things that we

1326
01:08:15,760 --> 01:08:19,840
Speaker 11: didn't realize was his vision problems, which happened well over

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01:08:19,880 --> 01:08:23,040
Speaker 11: a decade before he was diagnosed with Alzheimer's, were actually

1328
01:08:23,280 --> 01:08:26,000
Speaker 11: a precursor to his dementia. There's a part of your

1329
01:08:26,040 --> 01:08:32,559
Speaker 11: brain I didn't notice that turns binocular vision into monocular vision.

1330
01:08:32,640 --> 01:08:35,000
Speaker 11: So we have two eyes, we actually see two images,

1331
01:08:35,120 --> 01:08:38,080
Speaker 11: and our brain turns them into one cohesive image. That

1332
01:08:38,240 --> 01:08:41,880
Speaker 11: part of the brain often dies with Alzheimer's or actrepphies

1333
01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:44,800
Speaker 11: with Alzheimer's, So he was having double visions for a

1334
01:08:44,920 --> 01:08:47,760
Speaker 11: very long time and nobody realized that that was the

1335
01:08:47,800 --> 01:08:51,759
Speaker 11: result of the Alzheimer's atrophying that part of his brain.

1336
01:08:52,120 --> 01:08:56,040
Speaker 11: So vision changes and hearing loss are early indicators could

1337
01:08:56,040 --> 01:08:59,200
Speaker 11: be early indicators of Alzheimer's or dementia or brain loss.

1338
01:08:59,200 --> 01:09:00,519
Speaker 11: Important to get those checked out.

1339
01:09:00,600 --> 01:09:02,479
Speaker 1: I think we also think we are getting it when

1340
01:09:02,479 --> 01:09:04,479
Speaker 1: we don't too, because you know my wife, for example,

1341
01:09:04,520 --> 01:09:07,320
Speaker 1: I'd love my wife to death, but she will often

1342
01:09:07,600 --> 01:09:10,160
Speaker 1: our marriage is like and you may be in the

1343
01:09:10,400 --> 01:09:13,160
Speaker 1: similar situation too, where you've been together for a while

1344
01:09:13,320 --> 01:09:17,200
Speaker 1: and every day is like playing jeopardy because she'll be, well,

1345
01:09:17,240 --> 01:09:19,040
Speaker 1: what is that thing we ate? You cooked it? And

1346
01:09:19,439 --> 01:09:20,200
Speaker 1: what's an artich joke?

1347
01:09:20,280 --> 01:09:20,479
Speaker 12: Yeah?

1348
01:09:20,520 --> 01:09:24,560
Speaker 1: That's it? You know that girl? She was in a closet,

1349
01:09:24,880 --> 01:09:28,760
Speaker 1: and she also in the newspaper. Who is Patty Hurst? Yes,

1350
01:09:28,880 --> 01:09:31,439
Speaker 1: thank you? And it's just like a constant barrage of

1351
01:09:31,479 --> 01:09:32,880
Speaker 1: me trying to figure out I got to keep track

1352
01:09:32,920 --> 01:09:35,160
Speaker 1: of my stuff and her stuff. Does she have early

1353
01:09:35,200 --> 01:09:37,599
Speaker 1: on set dementia, Alzheimer's or is that just life?

1354
01:09:39,520 --> 01:09:43,160
Speaker 11: I think that's just life. My experience is that oftentimes

1355
01:09:43,200 --> 01:09:46,320
Speaker 11: couples rent space in each other, people in each other's

1356
01:09:46,320 --> 01:09:49,080
Speaker 11: brains for free. Like you asked her where the mustard

1357
01:09:49,120 --> 01:09:51,120
Speaker 11: is and she asks you who that person was in

1358
01:09:51,160 --> 01:09:53,599
Speaker 11: the closet. He was also in the bank robbery. Yes,

1359
01:09:54,320 --> 01:09:56,720
Speaker 11: you rent space in each other's brains for free. You

1360
01:09:56,760 --> 01:09:59,360
Speaker 11: back each other up when you forget stuff. But yesterday

1361
01:09:59,360 --> 01:10:02,679
Speaker 11: I forgot to pretty important thing just completely space them

1362
01:10:02,880 --> 01:10:05,519
Speaker 11: and I thought, oh, no, that does not bode well

1363
01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:07,840
Speaker 11: because I usually don't do that. I'm usually pretty on

1364
01:10:07,880 --> 01:10:10,680
Speaker 11: top of stuff. Two pretty important things just went right

1365
01:10:10,680 --> 01:10:11,679
Speaker 11: out of my brain yesterday.

1366
01:10:11,840 --> 01:10:13,920
Speaker 1: We all do it, so I do think we all

1367
01:10:13,960 --> 01:10:14,240
Speaker 1: do it.

1368
01:10:15,120 --> 01:10:15,800
Speaker 12: We all do it.

1369
01:10:16,080 --> 01:10:18,200
Speaker 1: But the effects of that, though, as you said, though,

1370
01:10:18,240 --> 01:10:20,400
Speaker 1: that's stress and everything out and we're trying to cramp

1371
01:10:20,400 --> 01:10:23,759
Speaker 1: so much information, ten pounds information at a five gallon bucket,

1372
01:10:23,800 --> 01:10:26,760
Speaker 1: in my case a two gallon bucket, and what in

1373
01:10:26,840 --> 01:10:31,360
Speaker 1: later in life that may cause the attributes of dimension on.

1374
01:10:31,439 --> 01:10:33,479
Speaker 2: Alzheimer's It could.

1375
01:10:34,120 --> 01:10:37,639
Speaker 11: I think the overload of information that we don't actually

1376
01:10:37,640 --> 01:10:41,200
Speaker 11: do anything within process can be problematic because it adds

1377
01:10:41,320 --> 01:10:44,280
Speaker 11: stress and stress responses to us. And we do know

1378
01:10:44,320 --> 01:10:48,920
Speaker 11: that stress and depression and anxiety can exacerbate symptoms of dementia.

1379
01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:52,280
Speaker 11: I would not say there's research to indicate it causes it,

1380
01:10:52,680 --> 01:10:57,320
Speaker 11: but people who have chronic stress, untreated or badly treated

1381
01:10:57,360 --> 01:11:01,840
Speaker 11: anxiety or depression tend to feel the dementia more than

1382
01:11:01,880 --> 01:11:05,720
Speaker 11: people who don't have those things. So stress management very important.

1383
01:11:06,080 --> 01:11:09,439
Speaker 11: If you have depression and anxiety, managing that with the

1384
01:11:09,479 --> 01:11:13,439
Speaker 11: appropriate treatment according to your doctor very important because while

1385
01:11:13,439 --> 01:11:16,720
Speaker 11: it may not hasten the dementia, it may make the

1386
01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:21,559
Speaker 11: symptoms far more impactful than they would otherwise be okay, you.

1387
01:11:21,520 --> 01:11:23,840
Speaker 1: Know, because we didn't get the mechanisms getting examined and

1388
01:11:23,920 --> 01:11:26,200
Speaker 1: checked out. This is more about prevention and noticing it

1389
01:11:26,280 --> 01:11:28,639
Speaker 1: and trying to delay that, especially if there's a genetic

1390
01:11:28,640 --> 01:11:31,759
Speaker 1: component like in your family, which is very, very scary,

1391
01:11:31,800 --> 01:11:33,320
Speaker 1: but you're even more aware of it. I think we

1392
01:11:33,360 --> 01:11:35,639
Speaker 1: all are, because dimension is one of those conditions where

1393
01:11:35,960 --> 01:11:38,800
Speaker 1: it's just it just rereaks havoc. For a family. It's

1394
01:11:38,840 --> 01:11:42,120
Speaker 1: absolutely horrible. And there's a handful of those diseases disorders

1395
01:11:42,640 --> 01:11:45,639
Speaker 1: that come to mind. And I always say he's like, listen,

1396
01:11:45,640 --> 01:11:47,720
Speaker 1: oh yeah, you know, get your knee done, your shoulder done,

1397
01:11:47,720 --> 01:11:49,320
Speaker 1: all these things. I'm like, that's fixable.

1398
01:11:49,320 --> 01:11:49,479
Speaker 4: Man.

1399
01:11:49,520 --> 01:11:52,040
Speaker 1: The stuff we're talking about is not fixable. If you're

1400
01:11:52,080 --> 01:11:54,880
Speaker 1: to have something, I'd rather have something that be you know,

1401
01:11:55,080 --> 01:11:58,439
Speaker 1: fixed medically speaking through an appliance or something like that,

1402
01:11:58,560 --> 01:12:01,000
Speaker 1: or you know, an implant as opposed to my God,

1403
01:12:01,040 --> 01:12:03,679
Speaker 1: diseases the mind, cancer, things like that. So be blessed.

1404
01:12:03,680 --> 01:12:06,000
Speaker 1: If that's not you. Julie hattersh youre a licensed mental

1405
01:12:06,000 --> 01:12:08,400
Speaker 1: health therapist. It's Mental Health Monday with Julie. You can

1406
01:12:08,400 --> 01:12:10,720
Speaker 1: get a hold of her at Julie. Hey, Julie at

1407
01:12:10,720 --> 01:12:13,040
Speaker 1: Bconnected dot care. That's hey, Julie at the letter be

1408
01:12:13,160 --> 01:12:16,280
Speaker 1: Connected dot Care. She practices out of Clifton. Thanks again

1409
01:12:16,320 --> 01:12:17,360
Speaker 1: for the time. We'll talk next week.

1410
01:12:17,439 --> 01:12:17,840
Speaker 11: Thank you.

1411
01:12:18,000 --> 01:12:19,640
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is about our state, but

1412
01:12:20,160 --> 01:12:24,680
Speaker 1: we've got some issues with THHC and CBD because you

1413
01:12:24,720 --> 01:12:27,320
Speaker 1: know Sentate Bill fifty six with Marijuia. It has to

1414
01:12:27,360 --> 01:12:29,559
Speaker 1: do with the THHC and fused beverages that people like,

1415
01:12:30,120 --> 01:12:31,519
Speaker 1: and now we're going to ban that. Coming up on

1416
01:12:31,680 --> 01:12:34,160
Speaker 1: ag I'm sorry August. How about March twentieth, and they're

1417
01:12:34,200 --> 01:12:36,560
Speaker 1: trying to get signatures for yet another referendum go on

1418
01:12:36,600 --> 01:12:39,360
Speaker 1: the ball, and it's like this thing has been torn

1419
01:12:39,360 --> 01:12:43,800
Speaker 1: apart more than Lindsey Vaughan's knee. For God's sakes, it

1420
01:12:43,840 --> 01:12:46,479
Speaker 1: doesn't really need to be this way. We've got our

1421
01:12:46,479 --> 01:12:49,439
Speaker 1: buddy on from an urban artifact. Scottie Hunter's on the

1422
01:12:49,439 --> 01:12:53,000
Speaker 1: show to talk about that initiative, that citizen led initiative,

1423
01:12:53,040 --> 01:12:55,080
Speaker 1: and what it means and why we can't get this right.

1424
01:12:55,120 --> 01:12:57,280
Speaker 1: It's really not that hard. Other states around us have

1425
01:12:57,360 --> 01:12:59,600
Speaker 1: figured this thing out. Of weekend in Ohio details on

1426
01:12:59,640 --> 01:13:04,920
Speaker 1: the way of new seven hundred W all right, solw

1427
01:13:05,000 --> 01:13:07,599
Speaker 1: me back on seven hundred WLW. It is a whip

1428
01:13:07,600 --> 01:13:10,439
Speaker 1: saw vomit worthy whip saw back and forth and fourth

1429
01:13:10,479 --> 01:13:16,559
Speaker 1: and back over CBD and THC and specifically infused drinks. UH,

1430
01:13:16,600 --> 01:13:20,240
Speaker 1: and that battle continues. Is Ohioans for Cannabis Choice received

1431
01:13:20,280 --> 01:13:23,880
Speaker 1: approval to collect signatures for a referendum to appeal Senate

1432
01:13:23,880 --> 01:13:26,760
Speaker 1: Bill fifty six and our friend, of course in UH

1433
01:13:26,960 --> 01:13:30,080
Speaker 1: in Tip City response for that is on often and

1434
01:13:30,120 --> 01:13:34,120
Speaker 1: Steve Huffman, Senator Huffman, and this would look to undo

1435
01:13:34,200 --> 01:13:38,679
Speaker 1: primarily that law and Ohio's coming band on THHC infused drinks.

1436
01:13:38,680 --> 01:13:41,320
Speaker 1: Scottie Hunters here he's the founder and co owner of

1437
01:13:41,560 --> 01:13:43,920
Speaker 1: Urban Artifact Brewing in Cincinnati. Scotty, welcome.

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01:13:43,960 --> 01:13:44,320
Speaker 2: Are you.

1439
01:13:46,560 --> 01:13:49,800
Speaker 1: How much I'm doing fine? I continue to follow this.

1440
01:13:49,960 --> 01:13:52,920
Speaker 1: The battle is again. You're lively. You have a family,

1441
01:13:52,960 --> 01:13:55,120
Speaker 1: of a young family. Your livelihood is tied to this

1442
01:13:55,160 --> 01:13:58,200
Speaker 1: whole thing. And it breaks my heart because you and

1443
01:13:58,280 --> 01:14:00,479
Speaker 1: others are early adopters saying, hey, you know what, we

1444
01:14:00,560 --> 01:14:04,200
Speaker 1: found a market, We found a niche that wasn't seen

1445
01:14:04,600 --> 01:14:08,519
Speaker 1: by anyone, and that is using the derivatives of CBD

1446
01:14:08,640 --> 01:14:11,080
Speaker 1: and the THC taken out of the CBD products to

1447
01:14:11,080 --> 01:14:13,200
Speaker 1: make these beverages. A lot of people like it. Literally

1448
01:14:13,200 --> 01:14:16,760
Speaker 1: millions of people across the state enjoy this. And and

1449
01:14:17,560 --> 01:14:19,280
Speaker 1: you know, with a pens, the wave of a pen,

1450
01:14:19,720 --> 01:14:23,200
Speaker 1: it's all over. You got ninety days to collect signatures

1451
01:14:23,240 --> 01:14:27,120
Speaker 1: the November third ballot and it has to do with

1452
01:14:27,240 --> 01:14:30,120
Speaker 1: undoing Senate Bill fifty six. So we'll start at the beginning.

1453
01:14:30,360 --> 01:14:32,920
Speaker 1: When this whole thing happened. How quickly did it involve?

1454
01:14:33,920 --> 01:14:35,800
Speaker 1: How quickly this thing unravel I guess is the best

1455
01:14:35,840 --> 01:14:36,559
Speaker 1: way to describe it.

1456
01:14:38,640 --> 01:14:42,720
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, in terms, we thought that we were

1457
01:14:42,720 --> 01:14:46,800
Speaker 6: going to have a decent regulatory bill heading into the

1458
01:14:47,080 --> 01:14:50,280
Speaker 6: towards the end of the last legislative scussion and then

1459
01:14:50,800 --> 01:14:54,639
Speaker 6: kind of that the midnight hours when things changed during

1460
01:14:54,680 --> 01:14:57,360
Speaker 6: conference committee and we got what got signed in the

1461
01:14:57,439 --> 01:15:00,840
Speaker 6: law from Governor Dwine, which is now let's be six

1462
01:15:00,920 --> 01:15:04,400
Speaker 6: and six. So it really took us back, quite honestly,

1463
01:15:04,439 --> 01:15:06,360
Speaker 6: because we thought we had all the you know, the

1464
01:15:06,439 --> 01:15:09,759
Speaker 6: key constituents, yeah, line up in order, We had everybody

1465
01:15:09,840 --> 01:15:12,640
Speaker 6: understood kind of what the industry was and how the

1466
01:15:12,680 --> 01:15:15,120
Speaker 6: industry wanted to root out the bad actors that you

1467
01:15:15,120 --> 01:15:18,160
Speaker 6: know Governor Dwined and a lot of the politicians have highlighted.

1468
01:15:18,200 --> 01:15:20,679
Speaker 6: We were full agreement with that. We want regulation. We've

1469
01:15:20,680 --> 01:15:23,519
Speaker 6: asked for regulation for years. So it took us back.

1470
01:15:23,600 --> 01:15:25,439
Speaker 6: We really thought we were on a path to get

1471
01:15:25,439 --> 01:15:28,720
Speaker 6: some solid regulation before that last minight hour.

1472
01:15:30,080 --> 01:15:32,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then all of a sudden, it just it completely,

1473
01:15:32,560 --> 01:15:34,559
Speaker 1: it completely fell apart. I think it's a disturbing thing.

1474
01:15:34,640 --> 01:15:38,160
Speaker 1: But give me an idea how much revenue for you guys,

1475
01:15:38,640 --> 01:15:41,000
Speaker 1: without getting too proprietary here, but how much do you

1476
01:15:41,000 --> 01:15:44,800
Speaker 1: have invested in that in that particular sector and talk

1477
01:15:44,840 --> 01:15:45,799
Speaker 1: about its growth.

1478
01:15:47,160 --> 01:15:50,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, No, it's it's a huge, huge potential piece of

1479
01:15:50,360 --> 01:15:52,920
Speaker 6: our business. I mean, you know, we're in Ohio based

1480
01:15:52,920 --> 01:15:55,200
Speaker 6: business and I don't think a lot of people know,

1481
01:15:55,280 --> 01:15:57,719
Speaker 6: but but our beer brand is the most widely distributed

1482
01:15:57,760 --> 01:16:00,759
Speaker 6: in terms of geographical territory out of any in the States,

1483
01:16:01,400 --> 01:16:03,720
Speaker 6: with about twenty states and totally we fell to but

1484
01:16:04,120 --> 01:16:06,080
Speaker 6: you know, Ohio's at home working and the same thing

1485
01:16:06,200 --> 01:16:09,880
Speaker 6: for our products to sallow and that was more than

1486
01:16:09,920 --> 01:16:11,960
Speaker 6: fifty percent of our sales for that we're you know,

1487
01:16:12,000 --> 01:16:14,519
Speaker 6: it's I can see that completely gone if we don't

1488
01:16:14,520 --> 01:16:17,360
Speaker 6: get this successful referendum. So you know, that could be

1489
01:16:17,400 --> 01:16:20,519
Speaker 6: anywhere from twenty to thirty percent using last year's numbers,

1490
01:16:20,600 --> 01:16:22,599
Speaker 6: or if we use some of the growth numbers states

1491
01:16:22,640 --> 01:16:25,640
Speaker 6: on some of the retailers we're expecting to jump on board,

1492
01:16:25,800 --> 01:16:28,960
Speaker 6: you know, it could be even higher. So there's a

1493
01:16:29,000 --> 01:16:32,559
Speaker 6: lot of you know, potential losses that we're facing with

1494
01:16:32,640 --> 01:16:35,479
Speaker 6: our business, and you know that that can mean you know,

1495
01:16:35,640 --> 01:16:41,400
Speaker 6: less investment in Ohio because look, the demand is not

1496
01:16:41,439 --> 01:16:44,040
Speaker 6: going to go away, right Like there's not there's not

1497
01:16:44,080 --> 01:16:47,080
Speaker 6: an alternative that that serves the same purpose that it's

1498
01:16:47,200 --> 01:16:49,320
Speaker 6: you know, when at least we're talking beverage specifically, and

1499
01:16:49,360 --> 01:16:52,840
Speaker 6: there's other pieces that are still banned that that are

1500
01:16:53,000 --> 01:16:55,000
Speaker 6: very much the same boat, such as full SEC and

1501
01:16:55,080 --> 01:17:00,280
Speaker 6: CDV products. There's there's no alternative. This just that's dollars

1502
01:17:00,520 --> 01:17:04,960
Speaker 6: and jobs and tax revenue gone for Ohio period.

1503
01:17:05,680 --> 01:17:08,960
Speaker 1: And that, as I recall, speaking in others, the fastest

1504
01:17:08,960 --> 01:17:12,040
Speaker 1: growing segment, like literally it's wildfire went from nothing to

1505
01:17:12,280 --> 01:17:15,120
Speaker 1: something big overnight. You mentioned twenty thirty percent, but that

1506
01:17:15,240 --> 01:17:17,960
Speaker 1: I would imagine that growth was going to continue and

1507
01:17:18,000 --> 01:17:20,679
Speaker 1: get you your rise had this thing not been knocked

1508
01:17:20,680 --> 01:17:24,160
Speaker 1: down and has this thing been killed by fifty six.

1509
01:17:25,040 --> 01:17:25,639
Speaker 2: Oh, no doubt.

1510
01:17:25,800 --> 01:17:29,599
Speaker 6: I mean even with you know a lot of chain retailers.

1511
01:17:30,240 --> 01:17:32,560
Speaker 6: Let me let me say one thing, well quick, So

1512
01:17:32,840 --> 01:17:35,960
Speaker 6: there was this notion that this category is completely unregulated.

1513
01:17:36,080 --> 01:17:39,240
Speaker 6: That's that's not the case. I don't know the state

1514
01:17:39,280 --> 01:17:43,639
Speaker 6: that doesn't have regulation on hemp cultivation or processing, right,

1515
01:17:43,680 --> 01:17:46,000
Speaker 6: So that's that's kind of the starting point. Ohio has

1516
01:17:46,040 --> 01:17:49,800
Speaker 6: those regulations as well. We hold hand processor's license with

1517
01:17:49,840 --> 01:17:53,760
Speaker 6: the state of Ohio, so our products had testing requirements

1518
01:17:53,800 --> 01:17:55,880
Speaker 6: and other quality requirements that you would expect to see

1519
01:17:55,960 --> 01:17:59,880
Speaker 6: for products for sale in the state of Ohio. That

1520
01:18:00,479 --> 01:18:03,559
Speaker 6: so that notion that is completely unregulated is kind of false.

1521
01:18:03,600 --> 01:18:06,479
Speaker 6: But anyway. Because there wasn't the retail regulation, you had

1522
01:18:06,479 --> 01:18:08,639
Speaker 6: some people kind of waiting in the wings to jump

1523
01:18:08,680 --> 01:18:13,160
Speaker 6: on board. And because of that, you know, even with

1524
01:18:13,320 --> 01:18:17,000
Speaker 6: that being said, we were seeing ten percent or more

1525
01:18:17,280 --> 01:18:21,000
Speaker 6: months somewhat growth of our brand here in Ohio up

1526
01:18:21,080 --> 01:18:26,360
Speaker 6: until the executive order was issued back in October of

1527
01:18:26,479 --> 01:18:29,080
Speaker 6: last year. That's when we started to see it get

1528
01:18:29,120 --> 01:18:31,880
Speaker 6: a little bumpier. And now we still have retailers, you know,

1529
01:18:32,240 --> 01:18:35,639
Speaker 6: committed to the category and doing what they can to support.

1530
01:18:36,360 --> 01:18:38,439
Speaker 6: But it doesn't mean that some haven't faltered. There's been.

1531
01:18:38,479 --> 01:18:41,880
Speaker 6: There's definitely been some pullback as people they're not they're

1532
01:18:41,880 --> 01:18:45,000
Speaker 6: not sure where they're where things are going to land,

1533
01:18:45,040 --> 01:18:47,679
Speaker 6: and so even if it's a small piece, so they're

1534
01:18:47,680 --> 01:18:49,600
Speaker 6: they're just in a wait and see mode.

1535
01:18:49,680 --> 01:18:52,200
Speaker 1: Well, here's the thing, it is the job of you,

1536
01:18:53,120 --> 01:18:55,360
Speaker 1: and I would include other people. I spoke Bobby Slattery

1537
01:18:55,360 --> 01:18:57,840
Speaker 1: at fifty West, Anna Bakovic and Ryan GUIs. All you

1538
01:18:57,840 --> 01:19:00,519
Speaker 1: guys are in the same boat. It's up to you

1539
01:19:00,600 --> 01:19:03,360
Speaker 1: guys to innovate and come up with something that's marketable.

1540
01:19:03,479 --> 01:19:05,439
Speaker 1: And you know, there are a lot of failed stories

1541
01:19:05,479 --> 01:19:07,439
Speaker 1: that we don't know about, and how many products and

1542
01:19:07,479 --> 01:19:10,519
Speaker 1: different things you've tried that haven't worked, but this one

1543
01:19:10,560 --> 01:19:13,000
Speaker 1: clearly hit it out of the park because of the

1544
01:19:13,080 --> 01:19:16,519
Speaker 1: attraction of the thhch E fuse beverage market. It's just

1545
01:19:16,560 --> 01:19:18,439
Speaker 1: as you mentioned, go through the stratusphere at least it

1546
01:19:18,479 --> 01:19:22,719
Speaker 1: would have anyway. And then the government comes in and says, yeah,

1547
01:19:22,960 --> 01:19:27,360
Speaker 1: you know what, that's unregulated. Well, it's your job to innovate.

1548
01:19:27,439 --> 01:19:29,920
Speaker 1: Isn't that their job to regulate without shutting everything down?

1549
01:19:31,600 --> 01:19:34,919
Speaker 6: Yeah, I would absolutely agree, especially when you have industry

1550
01:19:34,960 --> 01:19:40,160
Speaker 6: stakeholders consistently coming to legislators and saying, hey, we want regulation.

1551
01:19:40,320 --> 01:19:42,760
Speaker 6: Here's examples of other states that you're can a dooct

1552
01:19:42,840 --> 01:19:48,000
Speaker 6: regulations from those full key pieces from you know, West Virginia, Kentucky.

1553
01:19:48,360 --> 01:19:51,639
Speaker 6: We have neighboring states and not to mention another dozen

1554
01:19:51,800 --> 01:19:56,200
Speaker 6: or so that have retail distribution regulations. There's examples. It works,

1555
01:19:56,600 --> 01:19:59,880
Speaker 6: there's tax revenue, there's xi tax available to the state.

1556
01:20:00,320 --> 01:20:03,800
Speaker 6: You know, there's this is good jobs for people, for

1557
01:20:03,880 --> 01:20:07,160
Speaker 6: Ohioans that are struggling. Otherwise we're going to have black market,

1558
01:20:07,320 --> 01:20:09,479
Speaker 6: We're gonna have people growing to other states, and that's

1559
01:20:09,520 --> 01:20:12,280
Speaker 6: just money leaving Ohio. When I don't think Ohio can

1560
01:20:12,320 --> 01:20:13,280
Speaker 6: really afford that.

1561
01:20:13,280 --> 01:20:15,799
Speaker 1: That's so questioned about it. We need the revenue, clearly,

1562
01:20:15,840 --> 01:20:19,040
Speaker 1: it's something that people adults want. I get the idea

1563
01:20:19,680 --> 01:20:23,960
Speaker 1: of preventing you know, edibles and tintures and things that

1564
01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:26,439
Speaker 1: are sold over the counter and carry out stores to kids.

1565
01:20:26,479 --> 01:20:28,120
Speaker 1: You know, Mike, the wine God bless and wants to

1566
01:20:28,160 --> 01:20:30,080
Speaker 1: protect kids. And you know you have a young family,

1567
01:20:30,120 --> 01:20:34,200
Speaker 1: you know, watch your kids getting this stuff. But that's again,

1568
01:20:34,240 --> 01:20:36,400
Speaker 1: it's back to regulation. It's not about prohibition.

1569
01:20:38,200 --> 01:20:41,280
Speaker 6: Yeah, absolutely, Scott. And you know, we were selling our

1570
01:20:41,280 --> 01:20:46,200
Speaker 6: products into retailers that had alcohol licenses, that already knew

1571
01:20:46,240 --> 01:20:49,639
Speaker 6: how to age gate and ensure that adults were purchasing

1572
01:20:49,680 --> 01:20:53,200
Speaker 6: these products. So the notion that you know, these were

1573
01:20:53,240 --> 01:20:56,000
Speaker 6: just being handed to kids on the street corners is

1574
01:20:56,080 --> 01:20:59,000
Speaker 6: completely false. And it's kind of a spot in the

1575
01:20:59,000 --> 01:21:01,320
Speaker 6: face through the entire industry in the state of Ohio

1576
01:21:01,400 --> 01:21:03,920
Speaker 6: that was supporting this. In the distribution industry, which the

1577
01:21:03,960 --> 01:21:06,920
Speaker 6: state has trusted us for the craft wing industry, you

1578
01:21:06,960 --> 01:21:08,479
Speaker 6: know a little bit more than a decade or so

1579
01:21:08,720 --> 01:21:11,439
Speaker 6: is in full force. But the distribution injury for you know,

1580
01:21:11,479 --> 01:21:13,760
Speaker 6: one hundred years, right, we've shown that we can do

1581
01:21:13,800 --> 01:21:18,640
Speaker 6: this and to suggest that we can't otherwise, it's just disrespectful.

1582
01:21:18,640 --> 01:21:22,000
Speaker 1: Honestly, did you ever get a satisfactory answer from the

1583
01:21:22,040 --> 01:21:26,800
Speaker 1: governor or anyone from that line that that party in

1584
01:21:27,160 --> 01:21:32,519
Speaker 1: Columbus as to why no?

1585
01:21:32,600 --> 01:21:32,720
Speaker 12: Not?

1586
01:21:32,760 --> 01:21:35,400
Speaker 6: Really, you know, we've gotten the same kind of answers

1587
01:21:35,400 --> 01:21:40,599
Speaker 6: that you've seen in articles or on press conferences. That's

1588
01:21:40,600 --> 01:21:42,679
Speaker 6: pretty much it. I got to think that there's something

1589
01:21:42,680 --> 01:21:45,320
Speaker 6: else lying behind there. I don't know what it is,

1590
01:21:45,640 --> 01:21:48,360
Speaker 6: quite honestly, but when you have so many, you know,

1591
01:21:48,680 --> 01:21:51,960
Speaker 6: whether it be the Ohio Restaurant Hospitality Association, the Craft

1592
01:21:52,000 --> 01:21:55,400
Speaker 6: Brewers Association in the state, and many other trade groups

1593
01:21:55,400 --> 01:22:00,519
Speaker 6: supporting this category, and to see and constituents right widely

1594
01:22:00,560 --> 01:22:03,160
Speaker 6: popular across the state. To have it take it away

1595
01:22:03,160 --> 01:22:05,760
Speaker 6: when you have all that support is just crazy to me.

1596
01:22:08,600 --> 01:22:11,360
Speaker 1: In conversations in the past I've had with Governor Mike DeWine,

1597
01:22:11,360 --> 01:22:13,640
Speaker 1: and this was before marijuana was legalized. You know, he

1598
01:22:13,720 --> 01:22:15,920
Speaker 1: was dead set against he's he's hated from the jump.

1599
01:22:15,960 --> 01:22:18,160
Speaker 1: Didn't understand it, don't understand why you want to have it. Well,

1600
01:22:18,360 --> 01:22:20,800
Speaker 1: it's you know, good, destroy families and homes and you know,

1601
01:22:20,960 --> 01:22:23,439
Speaker 1: the sky is falling. Nature of the pearl clutch, so

1602
01:22:23,520 --> 01:22:25,360
Speaker 1: of course that didn't come to fruition. It's been a

1603
01:22:25,400 --> 01:22:28,759
Speaker 1: boon for the state of Ohio. Sales began in twenty

1604
01:22:28,800 --> 01:22:32,360
Speaker 1: twenty four, late twenty twenty four, and it's in excess

1605
01:22:32,360 --> 01:22:35,040
Speaker 1: of eight hundred and thirty billion, eight hundred thirty million

1606
01:22:35,080 --> 01:22:37,719
Speaker 1: dollars almost a billion dollars just in twenty twenty five.

1607
01:22:38,360 --> 01:22:40,400
Speaker 1: And obviously that number is going to be surpassed this

1608
01:22:40,520 --> 01:22:42,760
Speaker 1: year before we know it. And so clearly there's a

1609
01:22:42,800 --> 01:22:45,720
Speaker 1: market for this. This whole unregulation thing made it all

1610
01:22:45,760 --> 01:22:47,479
Speaker 1: started with that. It's like, no, you can't have it,

1611
01:22:47,520 --> 01:22:49,240
Speaker 1: can't have it, you can't have it. And then finally

1612
01:22:49,920 --> 01:22:53,480
Speaker 1: because of grassroots, and of course they will say it's outside,

1613
01:22:53,560 --> 01:22:56,000
Speaker 1: you know, foreign money and other states, and yeah, but

1614
01:22:56,240 --> 01:22:58,360
Speaker 1: you know what, I can go to Oregon. I can

1615
01:22:58,360 --> 01:23:00,760
Speaker 1: go to places like that use the products. See how

1616
01:23:00,760 --> 01:23:04,000
Speaker 1: it's dispensed. I remember coming back here years ago Scottie

1617
01:23:04,280 --> 01:23:07,120
Speaker 1: and having and my brother lives out in Oregon and

1618
01:23:07,240 --> 01:23:09,120
Speaker 1: going on, my god, you want it's like a buskin baker.

1619
01:23:09,160 --> 01:23:10,680
Speaker 1: You walk in, you got a bud tender, you pick

1620
01:23:10,720 --> 01:23:13,880
Speaker 1: your stuff, everyone's happy, you pay the taxes, it's safe,

1621
01:23:13,960 --> 01:23:15,920
Speaker 1: it's secure, the whole thing. They didn't want to hear that.

1622
01:23:16,000 --> 01:23:18,040
Speaker 1: And of course what happened was will the people took

1623
01:23:18,080 --> 01:23:20,640
Speaker 1: over and we got what we wanted, and that at

1624
01:23:20,640 --> 01:23:22,280
Speaker 1: that point they decided we got to step it at

1625
01:23:22,320 --> 01:23:25,200
Speaker 1: the eleventh hour and start regulating stuff. It's because of

1626
01:23:25,400 --> 01:23:27,519
Speaker 1: I don't know whatever it is that that there against

1627
01:23:27,560 --> 01:23:30,360
Speaker 1: when it comes to what consumers want, reasonable adults want,

1628
01:23:30,400 --> 01:23:33,240
Speaker 1: by the way, not kids adults, And they were just

1629
01:23:33,280 --> 01:23:34,960
Speaker 1: going to fight you tooth and nail. And this is

1630
01:23:35,080 --> 01:23:36,840
Speaker 1: just the latest indignation.

1631
01:23:38,880 --> 01:23:39,120
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1632
01:23:39,520 --> 01:23:42,800
Speaker 6: And another piece of SP fifty six too is there's

1633
01:23:42,920 --> 01:23:46,439
Speaker 6: reclineralization of what the voters passed in twenty twenty three

1634
01:23:46,479 --> 01:23:49,920
Speaker 6: in regards to recreational marijuana. Right, Yep, you can get

1635
01:23:49,920 --> 01:23:54,040
Speaker 6: in trouble for buying edibles from another state. Maybe you

1636
01:23:54,040 --> 01:23:56,479
Speaker 6: you know, you visit family in Oregon and you have

1637
01:23:56,600 --> 01:23:58,880
Speaker 6: a few extra gummies left in your in your bag,

1638
01:23:59,200 --> 01:24:01,400
Speaker 6: you bring them back to a while, all of a sudden,

1639
01:24:01,520 --> 01:24:03,200
Speaker 6: you can you can be in trouble for bringing that

1640
01:24:03,240 --> 01:24:06,240
Speaker 6: in the state. If this passes there, it goes into effect.

1641
01:24:06,280 --> 01:24:10,400
Speaker 6: As it's plated too. You know, it's just rolling and

1642
01:24:11,280 --> 01:24:13,840
Speaker 6: it's not only not listening to the adults, but not

1643
01:24:13,920 --> 01:24:16,720
Speaker 6: listening to the voters, and we're rolling back what the

1644
01:24:16,800 --> 01:24:19,519
Speaker 6: voters had voted on. And that's why you know, we've

1645
01:24:19,520 --> 01:24:22,879
Speaker 6: taken this initiative on this referendum to strip those aspects

1646
01:24:22,880 --> 01:24:26,040
Speaker 6: of SB fifty six, because look, it's clear this is

1647
01:24:26,080 --> 01:24:31,360
Speaker 6: what the voters want, and the industry, when you talk specifically,

1648
01:24:31,600 --> 01:24:34,840
Speaker 6: wants regulation. So let's come to the table, let's put

1649
01:24:34,920 --> 01:24:39,000
Speaker 6: something together that everybody can you know, work with, and

1650
01:24:39,320 --> 01:24:42,639
Speaker 6: let's move forward, and let's work on bigger issues than

1651
01:24:43,280 --> 01:24:45,639
Speaker 6: you know, something that's very cut and dry in my opinion.

1652
01:24:45,720 --> 01:24:48,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the other things in here too. And I

1653
01:24:48,320 --> 01:24:49,880
Speaker 1: don't know what this is going to change. Maybe you

1654
01:24:49,880 --> 01:24:53,160
Speaker 1: can tell me clearly it's going to in this proposal.

1655
01:24:53,200 --> 01:24:55,599
Speaker 1: By the way, it's Ohioan's for Cannabis Choice, which you're

1656
01:24:55,640 --> 01:24:59,559
Speaker 1: a part of receiving approval. Clock signatures got ninety days

1657
01:24:59,560 --> 01:25:01,920
Speaker 1: from now until to get this on the ballot for

1658
01:25:02,000 --> 01:25:05,120
Speaker 1: November third, in order to overturn fifty six. What else

1659
01:25:05,160 --> 01:25:07,920
Speaker 1: would this change besides the intoxicating drink? So I'll just

1660
01:25:08,000 --> 01:25:11,000
Speaker 1: run through maybe some of the highlights here. It banned

1661
01:25:11,000 --> 01:25:15,599
Speaker 1: smoking marijuana in most public places, prohibit possession outside original packaging,

1662
01:25:15,680 --> 01:25:19,520
Speaker 1: as you mentioned, criminalizes bringing legal marijuana in from other states,

1663
01:25:19,600 --> 01:25:22,400
Speaker 1: and requires drivers to store marijuana in the trunk. This

1664
01:25:22,520 --> 01:25:24,439
Speaker 1: law is going to take effect end of March I think,

1665
01:25:24,479 --> 01:25:27,519
Speaker 1: March twentieth, I believe, and you're gonna get this hopefully

1666
01:25:27,560 --> 01:25:29,439
Speaker 1: back on the ballot for November third. But how much

1667
01:25:29,439 --> 01:25:31,080
Speaker 1: of that would with that overturn everything?

1668
01:25:32,880 --> 01:25:36,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, so we'll click on the signatures. We have ninety

1669
01:25:36,240 --> 01:25:38,320
Speaker 6: days from when the governor signed the bill to collect

1670
01:25:38,320 --> 01:25:40,360
Speaker 6: the signals. Okay, so we have to collect the signatures

1671
01:25:40,360 --> 01:25:42,679
Speaker 6: before the effective date of the bill. So that's why,

1672
01:25:43,200 --> 01:25:45,519
Speaker 6: you know, getting the EG to certify it on the

1673
01:25:45,560 --> 01:25:47,960
Speaker 6: second attempt was huge because it gives us a little

1674
01:25:47,960 --> 01:25:51,200
Speaker 6: bit more time. That's just the wild constitutions. There's no

1675
01:25:51,360 --> 01:25:55,760
Speaker 6: changing that. But in essence, it repeals all of SB

1676
01:25:55,920 --> 01:25:59,120
Speaker 6: fifty six excess for the provisions that allowed for the

1677
01:25:59,240 --> 01:26:03,080
Speaker 6: marijuana attack to go to local municipalities. Right, we didn't

1678
01:26:03,080 --> 01:26:05,360
Speaker 6: want to mess with that, ye that those tax dollars

1679
01:26:05,360 --> 01:26:08,240
Speaker 6: should be going to those communities. That's hugely important. That

1680
01:26:08,320 --> 01:26:11,960
Speaker 6: needed to get done. So everything else gets gets removed

1681
01:26:11,960 --> 01:26:14,360
Speaker 6: and then you know, the market can continue to operate

1682
01:26:14,400 --> 01:26:17,040
Speaker 6: as it were, and hopefully you know, that will trigger

1683
01:26:17,520 --> 01:26:21,280
Speaker 6: the legislature to come to the table with a you know,

1684
01:26:22,120 --> 01:26:24,720
Speaker 6: more favorable bill to the industry to be able to

1685
01:26:24,720 --> 01:26:28,000
Speaker 6: continue to operate. Because we're talking six thousand different businesses

1686
01:26:28,160 --> 01:26:30,040
Speaker 6: just in the hemp in the city of Ohio that

1687
01:26:30,080 --> 01:26:33,160
Speaker 6: are looking to be shuttered if this bill goes into effect.

1688
01:26:33,200 --> 01:26:36,680
Speaker 6: And you know, I know many businesses associated given where

1689
01:26:36,720 --> 01:26:38,800
Speaker 6: we're at with this, there's people that have already made

1690
01:26:38,960 --> 01:26:41,880
Speaker 6: significant layoffs, right. You know, now we have more and

1691
01:26:41,920 --> 01:26:45,000
Speaker 6: more people on unemployment because of the signature of this

1692
01:26:45,120 --> 01:26:49,240
Speaker 6: bill when realistically it didn't need to ever be signed.

1693
01:26:50,680 --> 01:26:53,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it just seems so punitive too, you know,

1694
01:26:53,280 --> 01:26:57,680
Speaker 1: requiring drivers to store marijuana in the trunk in criminalizing

1695
01:26:58,120 --> 01:26:59,720
Speaker 1: bringing from other states. I mean, how the hell would

1696
01:26:59,720 --> 01:27:02,120
Speaker 1: you throw my receipt out when I leave Michigan, for example,

1697
01:27:02,120 --> 01:27:04,160
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, well approve it proved I has

1698
01:27:04,240 --> 01:27:06,640
Speaker 1: bought it there. You can't do that, uh, storing it

1699
01:27:06,640 --> 01:27:08,400
Speaker 1: into the trunk. I mean I could carry you. I

1700
01:27:08,439 --> 01:27:10,799
Speaker 1: can have a bottle of wine that's you know, bagged

1701
01:27:10,880 --> 01:27:13,439
Speaker 1: or if it's open, or a six pack and a

1702
01:27:13,520 --> 01:27:16,120
Speaker 1: gun in the front seat of my car, no problem,

1703
01:27:16,120 --> 01:27:18,240
Speaker 1: But damn I got marijuana, I better put it in

1704
01:27:18,240 --> 01:27:21,040
Speaker 1: the trunk locked up. It doesn't make any sense.

1705
01:27:22,200 --> 01:27:25,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, And then there's there's a paraphernalia claus in there

1706
01:27:25,080 --> 01:27:27,960
Speaker 6: where if you don't buy pairing a paraphernalia that's approved

1707
01:27:27,960 --> 01:27:31,240
Speaker 6: by the state and consume marijuana with that, you can

1708
01:27:31,280 --> 01:27:33,760
Speaker 6: also get in trouble. And it's like, who's to say,

1709
01:27:33,960 --> 01:27:36,920
Speaker 6: how you like, if I buy a beer, you have

1710
01:27:36,960 --> 01:27:38,400
Speaker 6: to tell me what blast I can drink it?

1711
01:27:38,520 --> 01:27:41,120
Speaker 1: Right, right right? If you're a pipe smoker, the pipe,

1712
01:27:41,240 --> 01:27:43,360
Speaker 1: the mere sham pipe has to be approved if you're

1713
01:27:43,360 --> 01:27:44,200
Speaker 1: smoking tobacco.

1714
01:27:45,320 --> 01:27:48,599
Speaker 6: Yeah, like that that's beeing ridiculous. And it just opens

1715
01:27:48,640 --> 01:27:53,960
Speaker 6: things up to target individuals in a way that I mean,

1716
01:27:54,000 --> 01:27:56,920
Speaker 6: I can't believe it is constitutional, but they're they're riding

1717
01:27:56,960 --> 01:28:03,120
Speaker 6: the laws there that gives so much option to target it.

1718
01:28:03,280 --> 01:28:05,000
Speaker 6: Just it shouldn't sit well with anyone.

1719
01:28:05,120 --> 01:28:06,400
Speaker 2: He really doesn't in the state.

1720
01:28:06,479 --> 01:28:11,160
Speaker 6: While regardless of how you feel about cannabis in general,

1721
01:28:11,200 --> 01:28:15,479
Speaker 6: like just some of those basic individual liberties that could

1722
01:28:15,520 --> 01:28:17,479
Speaker 6: be harmed, you shouldn't sit well.

1723
01:28:17,560 --> 01:28:18,920
Speaker 1: Right, it seems easy to keep it out of them.

1724
01:28:19,040 --> 01:28:20,640
Speaker 1: Maybe not easy, but it seems easier to keep it

1725
01:28:20,640 --> 01:28:23,360
Speaker 1: out of the hands of kids because you have strong enforcement.

1726
01:28:23,400 --> 01:28:26,080
Speaker 1: You know. Same with alcohol. I mentioned you could have

1727
01:28:26,080 --> 01:28:27,800
Speaker 1: a bottle of wine or some beer or liquor for

1728
01:28:27,840 --> 01:28:30,200
Speaker 1: that matter, in your front seat. As long as it's sealed,

1729
01:28:30,240 --> 01:28:32,479
Speaker 1: you're good. I don't understand why you can't do that.

1730
01:28:33,280 --> 01:28:35,800
Speaker 1: Why you have to have marijuana, you know, thirty feet

1731
01:28:35,800 --> 01:28:37,640
Speaker 1: away from it. Is it like a bag, you know,

1732
01:28:37,680 --> 01:28:39,439
Speaker 1: the fries at the bottom of the bag that you're

1733
01:28:39,479 --> 01:28:41,280
Speaker 1: you know, you're so tempted you're going to fire up

1734
01:28:41,280 --> 01:28:45,000
Speaker 1: as opposed to crushing some some Mickey's fries. I don't know.

1735
01:28:45,040 --> 01:28:47,840
Speaker 1: I have used weed for years and years and years,

1736
01:28:47,880 --> 01:28:49,960
Speaker 1: and I've never had that urge to crack it open

1737
01:28:49,960 --> 01:28:51,760
Speaker 1: while I'm operating a motor vehicle. I want to wait

1738
01:28:51,840 --> 01:28:53,840
Speaker 1: till I get to the friendly confines of where it

1739
01:28:53,840 --> 01:28:56,880
Speaker 1: are going and be responsible about it, as ninety nine

1740
01:28:56,920 --> 01:29:00,840
Speaker 1: point nine percent of adults do. But again, let's come

1741
01:29:00,920 --> 01:29:02,960
Speaker 1: up with some sort of crisis here and just have

1742
01:29:03,080 --> 01:29:06,840
Speaker 1: more big government, in this case, big government Republicans getting

1743
01:29:06,840 --> 01:29:09,240
Speaker 1: involved in your lives. Your job is to regulate and

1744
01:29:09,240 --> 01:29:11,519
Speaker 1: be the official, just stay in your lane. But they

1745
01:29:11,560 --> 01:29:13,400
Speaker 1: won't do that. And does it make you think like

1746
01:29:13,439 --> 01:29:15,800
Speaker 1: because we've seen this repeated over and over and over.

1747
01:29:15,840 --> 01:29:19,280
Speaker 1: Scott is that won't at the last minute, you get

1748
01:29:19,280 --> 01:29:21,200
Speaker 1: your signatures. It looks like to be on the belt

1749
01:29:21,200 --> 01:29:23,040
Speaker 1: in November. They'll see the polling numbers. They'll see all

1750
01:29:23,120 --> 01:29:25,759
Speaker 1: highlands are pissed off that they're gonna they're gonna overturn

1751
01:29:25,840 --> 01:29:28,519
Speaker 1: fifty six. Won't they legislature just swooping at the last

1752
01:29:28,520 --> 01:29:30,200
Speaker 1: minute They always do and come up with, you know,

1753
01:29:30,400 --> 01:29:33,120
Speaker 1: more hair brained ideas to solve a problem that doesn't exist.

1754
01:29:34,880 --> 01:29:37,439
Speaker 6: They might try, but you know then they're going to

1755
01:29:37,520 --> 01:29:39,240
Speaker 6: be at risk if they don't come up with some

1756
01:29:39,320 --> 01:29:43,320
Speaker 6: typal regulation for their seats, right because people have clearly

1757
01:29:43,360 --> 01:29:46,200
Speaker 6: said this is what we want. And you know, there's

1758
01:29:46,320 --> 01:29:49,280
Speaker 6: more background into how just got pushed through at the

1759
01:29:49,320 --> 01:29:52,760
Speaker 6: time that it did. You know, the federal language that

1760
01:29:52,800 --> 01:29:56,320
Speaker 6: got planned into the funding bill there in the fall

1761
01:29:56,520 --> 01:29:59,960
Speaker 6: is part of this story. And I will say, you know,

1762
01:30:00,120 --> 01:30:03,720
Speaker 6: everyone in the in the industry expects that we will

1763
01:30:03,720 --> 01:30:07,040
Speaker 6: get something done in the near future, whether it is

1764
01:30:07,080 --> 01:30:10,439
Speaker 6: an extension to get proper regular regulation in place or

1765
01:30:10,560 --> 01:30:14,559
Speaker 6: regulatory to build through. Especially with President Trump's executive order

1766
01:30:15,040 --> 01:30:18,280
Speaker 6: on cannabis. You know, it was rescheduling marijuana. But it

1767
01:30:18,320 --> 01:30:22,479
Speaker 6: was also physifically calling out that language that Congress had

1768
01:30:22,520 --> 01:30:26,000
Speaker 6: passed in terms of have products and a full spectrum TVD.

1769
01:30:26,160 --> 01:30:29,080
Speaker 6: So you know the President's got his eye on this.

1770
01:30:29,080 --> 01:30:31,960
Speaker 6: This will get corrected federally. I truly believe that. And

1771
01:30:32,040 --> 01:30:35,200
Speaker 6: then at this point, you know, Ohio needs to fall suit,

1772
01:30:35,240 --> 01:30:38,120
Speaker 6: and there's really they're not able to use that as

1773
01:30:38,200 --> 01:30:40,360
Speaker 6: a talking point for why they put in some overly

1774
01:30:40,400 --> 01:30:43,760
Speaker 6: restrictive law that flies in the face of the rest

1775
01:30:43,760 --> 01:30:46,479
Speaker 6: of the country. Yeah, like we're behind, right if we

1776
01:30:46,560 --> 01:30:48,439
Speaker 6: if this goes into effect, we are behind.

1777
01:30:48,560 --> 01:30:50,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can blame the fans and go ahead. The

1778
01:30:50,479 --> 01:30:52,320
Speaker 1: fans are going to but the feder at least listening,

1779
01:30:52,320 --> 01:30:56,000
Speaker 1: Ohio does our legislatives just want to listen. Anyway, we're

1780
01:30:56,000 --> 01:30:58,599
Speaker 1: on the clock here for this thing takes effect March twentieth.

1781
01:30:58,600 --> 01:31:00,320
Speaker 1: Got to have the signatures by then. It's Scott a

1782
01:31:00,400 --> 01:31:03,320
Speaker 1: Hunter at Urban Artifacts, And if you're in that neighbor

1783
01:31:03,400 --> 01:31:04,920
Speaker 1: to want to sign the position, I sure you have him.

1784
01:31:04,960 --> 01:31:07,160
Speaker 1: I know that they am at fifty West and Ryan

1785
01:31:07,160 --> 01:31:09,960
Speaker 1: Guyson pretty much everywhere else. I put my name on

1786
01:31:10,040 --> 01:31:12,479
Speaker 1: there too, because I think it's outrageous Scotty Well chat

1787
01:31:12,520 --> 01:31:14,280
Speaker 1: again in the future, brother, Thanks again for jumping on

1788
01:31:14,320 --> 01:31:14,559
Speaker 1: the show.

1789
01:31:14,600 --> 01:31:17,240
Speaker 6: Good luck with us, Yes, thanks Scott, thankes care.

1790
01:31:17,320 --> 01:31:18,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, y'a all the best. We got to get a

1791
01:31:18,520 --> 01:31:20,400
Speaker 1: news update in. We are running late as always, because

1792
01:31:20,400 --> 01:31:22,120
Speaker 1: that's what we do here. We run late. We'll talk

1793
01:31:22,160 --> 01:31:24,719
Speaker 1: a little Super Bowl stuff coming up next on the show.

1794
01:31:24,840 --> 01:31:27,920
Speaker 1: News first though, seven hundred ww all right, one more

1795
01:31:27,920 --> 01:31:30,799
Speaker 1: time this season because the season is over. James Rapine

1796
01:31:30,880 --> 01:31:34,040
Speaker 1: jumps in from Bengals Talk dot com Lockdown Bengals Super

1797
01:31:34,080 --> 01:31:37,439
Speaker 1: Bowl sixty goes down and the game was just the

1798
01:31:38,080 --> 01:31:43,080
Speaker 1: just the twenty nine thirteen year final with Seattle absolutely

1799
01:31:43,200 --> 01:31:47,040
Speaker 1: curb stop in the Patriots defensively speaking, second franchise win

1800
01:31:47,200 --> 01:31:50,080
Speaker 1: for them. Sam Darnold, by the way, and his fifth

1801
01:31:50,120 --> 01:31:52,919
Speaker 1: team he started as a New York Jet, he finishes

1802
01:31:52,960 --> 01:31:56,599
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl champion, and on that as a James

1803
01:31:56,600 --> 01:32:00,439
Speaker 1: welcome back. How you been brother, that'd be great. I'm

1804
01:32:00,439 --> 01:32:02,360
Speaker 1: doing fine better than Drake May this morning.

1805
01:32:04,160 --> 01:32:04,679
Speaker 2: That's right.

1806
01:32:04,840 --> 01:32:07,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of people are doing better than Drake May. Yeah,

1807
01:32:07,880 --> 01:32:10,880
Speaker 1: he got just absolutely for him. He's getting a Lindsay

1808
01:32:11,000 --> 01:32:11,679
Speaker 1: Vaughn treatment.

1809
01:32:14,439 --> 01:32:14,920
Speaker 2: That's right.

1810
01:32:15,040 --> 01:32:18,479
Speaker 12: Yeah, we knew that the Seahawks were going to be

1811
01:32:18,520 --> 01:32:22,120
Speaker 12: able to get pressure on him, and that was a

1812
01:32:22,160 --> 01:32:24,280
Speaker 12: big keem going into this one was all right, well,

1813
01:32:24,360 --> 01:32:27,840
Speaker 12: how does Drake May, who struggled throughout the playoffs, how

1814
01:32:27,880 --> 01:32:30,839
Speaker 12: does he respond? How does that that Patriots offense respond?

1815
01:32:30,880 --> 01:32:32,360
Speaker 2: And well, they didn't show up.

1816
01:32:32,479 --> 01:32:34,920
Speaker 12: So I don't even know if you should compare to

1817
01:32:34,960 --> 01:32:36,320
Speaker 12: Lindsay Vaughn because she showed up.

1818
01:32:36,400 --> 01:32:36,680
Speaker 4: She does.

1819
01:32:37,160 --> 01:32:39,320
Speaker 1: Hey, I respect that, but I do want, you know,

1820
01:32:39,400 --> 01:32:41,439
Speaker 1: not to get in this Olympic ski or anything like that.

1821
01:32:41,520 --> 01:32:44,120
Speaker 1: But like I wonder who kind of missed that cut

1822
01:32:44,160 --> 01:32:45,800
Speaker 1: because she got in. I was she the best of

1823
01:32:45,840 --> 01:32:48,240
Speaker 1: ailbers because it's Lindsay von and your goat and you're

1824
01:32:48,280 --> 01:32:50,679
Speaker 1: forty one and this is your last hurrah. We think

1825
01:32:51,760 --> 01:32:53,400
Speaker 1: if somebody got bumped in the team, but you know,

1826
01:32:53,479 --> 01:32:57,160
Speaker 1: thirteen seconds in she splatters and the minute it happened, well,

1827
01:32:57,160 --> 01:32:59,680
Speaker 1: watching them, oh man, that's and she turns out it's

1828
01:32:59,680 --> 01:33:02,560
Speaker 1: a broke leg. But tell you what, the resiliency and

1829
01:33:02,880 --> 01:33:05,120
Speaker 1: commitment that Lindsay Vaughn has, I don't think I've ever

1830
01:33:05,120 --> 01:33:08,600
Speaker 1: seen anything that kind of commitment in sports. She is

1831
01:33:08,640 --> 01:33:11,120
Speaker 1: something else, something to behold for sure when it comes

1832
01:33:11,120 --> 01:33:14,640
Speaker 1: to football, though Drake May is no Lindsay Vaughn. Three turnovers,

1833
01:33:14,680 --> 01:33:17,400
Speaker 1: two I and T is a fumble, sacks six times,

1834
01:33:17,720 --> 01:33:21,080
Speaker 1: they just teed off of them. Was this about Seattle

1835
01:33:21,080 --> 01:33:23,400
Speaker 1: scheme under Mike McDonald or just the fact that New

1836
01:33:23,439 --> 01:33:25,559
Speaker 1: England's front line couldn't do anything?

1837
01:33:26,960 --> 01:33:29,880
Speaker 12: Yeah, I think it's both. I think Mike McDonald is

1838
01:33:30,040 --> 01:33:31,840
Speaker 12: a hut of a coach. And if you think back

1839
01:33:32,880 --> 01:33:36,320
Speaker 12: to some of his Ravens defenses and what they did

1840
01:33:36,840 --> 01:33:39,799
Speaker 12: to Joe Burrow and the Bengals, the Hubbard yard dash,

1841
01:33:39,920 --> 01:33:42,559
Speaker 12: you know, the fumble in the jungle. The Ravens had

1842
01:33:42,600 --> 01:33:45,280
Speaker 12: their backup quarterback in that game and it was tied

1843
01:33:45,320 --> 01:33:46,960
Speaker 12: and the Ravens were going in to take the lead,

1844
01:33:47,720 --> 01:33:51,519
Speaker 12: and that Bengals offense could not get going in that game,

1845
01:33:51,560 --> 01:33:54,599
Speaker 12: and there were multiple games like that, and McDonald leaving

1846
01:33:54,640 --> 01:33:58,439
Speaker 12: Baltimore going to Seattle's honestly the huge win for the

1847
01:33:58,479 --> 01:34:00,559
Speaker 12: Bengals because I think he's one of the best defensive

1848
01:34:00,560 --> 01:34:03,479
Speaker 12: lines in football. And it obviously helps to have the

1849
01:34:03,520 --> 01:34:06,040
Speaker 12: talent that they have in the trenches and the versatility

1850
01:34:06,040 --> 01:34:08,200
Speaker 12: that they have in the secondary, and they have some

1851
01:34:08,320 --> 01:34:13,200
Speaker 12: versatile pieces. At the same time, McDonald is a heck

1852
01:34:13,280 --> 01:34:16,000
Speaker 12: of a coach, and it was a real challenge for

1853
01:34:16,040 --> 01:34:18,400
Speaker 12: any offense, but certainly an offense like New England that

1854
01:34:18,439 --> 01:34:21,519
Speaker 12: you're right, I struggle to protect doesn't have a true

1855
01:34:21,640 --> 01:34:25,200
Speaker 12: number one wide receiver option. I don't think Stefon Diggs

1856
01:34:25,200 --> 01:34:27,360
Speaker 12: is what he used to be. And so you look

1857
01:34:27,400 --> 01:34:29,000
Speaker 12: at it and it's like, all right, well who stands

1858
01:34:29,000 --> 01:34:32,280
Speaker 12: out and there's just there's a lot of number threes

1859
01:34:32,280 --> 01:34:35,479
Speaker 12: and number four's weapons wise on their offense, not many

1860
01:34:35,520 --> 01:34:38,720
Speaker 12: ones and twos, and so you mix that together and

1861
01:34:39,439 --> 01:34:42,360
Speaker 12: Drake May wasn't enough to overcome it.

1862
01:34:42,400 --> 01:34:43,439
Speaker 2: Because I sat going into.

1863
01:34:43,320 --> 01:34:45,120
Speaker 12: It, I was like, I was like, the Patriots have

1864
01:34:45,160 --> 01:34:47,720
Speaker 12: the better quarterback, the Steelers have the better roster, and

1865
01:34:47,760 --> 01:34:48,680
Speaker 12: the better roster one.

1866
01:34:48,880 --> 01:34:51,840
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, And you know, okay, Steph Digg's great, but

1867
01:34:51,920 --> 01:34:56,200
Speaker 1: he's he's an old dude, and he was largely absent yesterday,

1868
01:34:56,400 --> 01:34:58,240
Speaker 1: and you know, in fact the matters. You just kept

1869
01:34:58,320 --> 01:35:00,000
Speaker 1: having to punt the ball here too. And I thought

1870
01:35:00,080 --> 01:35:03,120
Speaker 1: that blitz on the game sealing interception really caught them

1871
01:35:03,120 --> 01:35:04,400
Speaker 1: by surprise and sealed the deal.

1872
01:35:06,320 --> 01:35:08,799
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I think.

1873
01:35:10,600 --> 01:35:16,360
Speaker 12: It's when you see an offense like this struggle and

1874
01:35:16,560 --> 01:35:18,439
Speaker 12: not be able to get into a rhythm early, but

1875
01:35:18,720 --> 01:35:20,800
Speaker 12: those first fifteen like if you're going to catch the

1876
01:35:20,800 --> 01:35:24,559
Speaker 12: out off guard usually maybe not necessarily historically in the

1877
01:35:24,600 --> 01:35:26,519
Speaker 12: Super Bowl, but usually it would be in your first

1878
01:35:26,520 --> 01:35:29,840
Speaker 12: fifteen scripted plays. And then they adjusted and then it works,

1879
01:35:30,000 --> 01:35:33,919
Speaker 12: and it was just from the jump they couldn't do anything.

1880
01:35:33,960 --> 01:35:34,439
Speaker 2: And then in the.

1881
01:35:34,439 --> 01:35:36,000
Speaker 12: Second half it's like, well, maybe they'll come out in

1882
01:35:36,000 --> 01:35:39,760
Speaker 12: the second half and then it'll get going. And it's like, oh,

1883
01:35:39,800 --> 01:35:42,160
Speaker 12: well that's the Patriots first first down of the second

1884
01:35:42,160 --> 01:35:44,760
Speaker 12: half and it's in the fourth quarter like this. You know,

1885
01:35:44,800 --> 01:35:45,200
Speaker 12: it's a.

1886
01:35:46,680 --> 01:35:48,400
Speaker 2: Tough, tough leading to the Patriot.

1887
01:35:48,120 --> 01:35:50,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, no question, you know. And the notion here too

1888
01:35:50,960 --> 01:35:52,559
Speaker 1: is that we live in a new air where offense

1889
01:35:52,600 --> 01:35:54,920
Speaker 1: wins championships and if you watch a Gamias went, well,

1890
01:35:54,960 --> 01:35:57,639
Speaker 1: clearly that's not right. The defense is still I don't

1891
01:35:57,680 --> 01:36:00,120
Speaker 1: think that's still true because you know, had had the

1892
01:36:00,160 --> 01:36:04,240
Speaker 1: New England offense been better, could they have selectively picked

1893
01:36:04,240 --> 01:36:06,639
Speaker 1: apart him on short routes? What about the run game

1894
01:36:06,720 --> 01:36:10,000
Speaker 1: largely absent? You know, if Drake may starts taking off

1895
01:36:10,080 --> 01:36:12,400
Speaker 1: the spy him, how does that change. I don't felt

1896
01:36:12,400 --> 01:36:16,040
Speaker 1: like I thought that were one dimensional yesterday, and yeah,

1897
01:36:16,280 --> 01:36:18,320
Speaker 1: the defense looked like they won the game, but they didn't.

1898
01:36:18,479 --> 01:36:21,280
Speaker 1: Is new England had no answers whatsoever, no way to

1899
01:36:21,320 --> 01:36:25,519
Speaker 1: figure out around a very good Seattle defense. But again,

1900
01:36:25,520 --> 01:36:27,599
Speaker 1: if you're going to build your entire team around an

1901
01:36:27,600 --> 01:36:30,800
Speaker 1: offensive identities they did, you've got to find ways to

1902
01:36:30,840 --> 01:36:32,599
Speaker 1: make some completions to get some first dollans.

1903
01:36:34,040 --> 01:36:41,720
Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, that's it. And to me, offense does win

1904
01:36:42,400 --> 01:36:44,839
Speaker 12: does win championships in a lot of ways.

1905
01:36:45,120 --> 01:36:50,160
Speaker 2: This was an odd year and if you had if

1906
01:36:50,240 --> 01:36:51,120
Speaker 2: Drake May.

1907
01:36:51,120 --> 01:36:54,559
Speaker 12: Was one of those top elite quarterbacks, that game would

1908
01:36:54,560 --> 01:36:55,599
Speaker 12: have felt different and been.

1909
01:36:55,520 --> 01:36:56,080
Speaker 4: A bit different.

1910
01:36:56,080 --> 01:36:57,160
Speaker 2: And he's just not there yet.

1911
01:36:57,200 --> 01:36:59,679
Speaker 12: Maybe he will be, maybe he'll get there, but he's

1912
01:36:59,680 --> 01:37:01,439
Speaker 12: just not there yet, Which isn't an insult and it

1913
01:37:01,520 --> 01:37:04,120
Speaker 12: isn't being mean. It's just the reality of it. We

1914
01:37:04,200 --> 01:37:06,920
Speaker 12: know Sam Darnold is a good quarterback and not a

1915
01:37:06,920 --> 01:37:15,120
Speaker 12: great quarterback there. But yes, as far as historically versus

1916
01:37:15,160 --> 01:37:18,479
Speaker 12: today versus the past decade or so, no, I think

1917
01:37:18,520 --> 01:37:22,320
Speaker 12: for sure the offensive part of it, Like, it was

1918
01:37:22,360 --> 01:37:24,439
Speaker 12: a weird year in the NFL in general, and so

1919
01:37:24,560 --> 01:37:28,720
Speaker 12: sometimes you get weird champions and weird built champions that

1920
01:37:29,160 --> 01:37:33,000
Speaker 12: play different ways. I don't think the Seahawks win defense

1921
01:37:33,120 --> 01:37:35,680
Speaker 12: first free agent quarterback. I don't think that's a bootprint

1922
01:37:35,680 --> 01:37:38,360
Speaker 12: that anyone should try to replicate. Obviously, want to upgrade

1923
01:37:38,400 --> 01:37:40,840
Speaker 12: your defense, I'm not saying that, but it's just it's

1924
01:37:41,000 --> 01:37:44,280
Speaker 12: a unique year and a unique path to a Super Bowl.

1925
01:37:44,840 --> 01:37:47,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, as far as the MVP case goes, hey you go.

1926
01:37:48,000 --> 01:37:49,760
Speaker 1: Derek Call had two sacks and what I think you

1927
01:37:49,800 --> 01:37:53,519
Speaker 1: had the strip stack touchdown to Witherspoon. I mentioned had

1928
01:37:53,560 --> 01:37:56,719
Speaker 1: that that hit that led to the pick six Byron Murphy,

1929
01:37:56,760 --> 01:38:00,200
Speaker 1: But I don't know Kenneth Walker though, the fact of

1930
01:38:00,200 --> 01:38:03,320
Speaker 1: the matter was I saw this this morning that he

1931
01:38:03,479 --> 01:38:06,000
Speaker 1: was hit at or behind the line of scrimmage on

1932
01:38:06,080 --> 01:38:08,840
Speaker 1: fifteen of his twenty seven touches. But he still rushed

1933
01:38:08,840 --> 01:38:11,320
Speaker 1: for one hundred and thirty five yards and that's like

1934
01:38:11,360 --> 01:38:15,240
Speaker 1: forty two over expected. That's getting it done in the

1935
01:38:15,240 --> 01:38:15,760
Speaker 1: Super Bowl.

1936
01:38:15,760 --> 01:38:26,599
Speaker 12: Man, Yeah, yeah, it is, And that's the fun. Dave

1937
01:38:26,680 --> 01:38:30,519
Speaker 12: Keaton described it as fun. But the defensive struggles that

1938
01:38:31,120 --> 01:38:37,640
Speaker 12: are the defensive the standout performers for Seattle and the

1939
01:38:37,960 --> 01:38:39,719
Speaker 12: different ways they're able to win.

1940
01:38:41,040 --> 01:38:41,960
Speaker 2: From a defensive stem.

1941
01:38:42,000 --> 01:38:45,880
Speaker 12: Devin Witherspoon's and his biggest play was on a blift

1942
01:38:46,360 --> 01:38:49,800
Speaker 12: and he's a high end corner and so no, I

1943
01:38:49,840 --> 01:38:54,240
Speaker 12: thought the defense, they did a bunch of different things

1944
01:38:54,240 --> 01:38:56,559
Speaker 12: that were a lot of fun if you're in favor

1945
01:38:56,600 --> 01:38:58,679
Speaker 12: of those kind of defensive games. At the same time,

1946
01:38:58,720 --> 01:38:59,960
Speaker 12: I think a lot of people are like, all right,

1947
01:39:00,040 --> 01:39:02,120
Speaker 12: can we see some scoring, can we see something?

1948
01:39:02,880 --> 01:39:03,320
Speaker 2: Well, we did.

1949
01:39:03,840 --> 01:39:07,360
Speaker 13: Aught was completely fifty percent of his passes, but you know,

1950
01:39:07,479 --> 01:39:12,280
Speaker 13: like it's the ultimate oftense doesn't win championships game, and

1951
01:39:12,560 --> 01:39:14,000
Speaker 13: if you love defense, it was great.

1952
01:39:14,040 --> 01:39:16,280
Speaker 12: At the same time, I definitely think that this was

1953
01:39:16,360 --> 01:39:20,000
Speaker 12: kind of an outlier season for sure, an outlier super Bowl.

1954
01:39:20,040 --> 01:39:22,439
Speaker 12: This isn't going to be the blueprint moving forward.

1955
01:39:22,520 --> 01:39:24,760
Speaker 1: Why could New England adjust to Walker and know what

1956
01:39:24,880 --> 01:39:25,280
Speaker 1: he was doing?

1957
01:39:26,160 --> 01:39:30,679
Speaker 12: Yeah, he just it was a He had the two

1958
01:39:30,680 --> 01:39:34,920
Speaker 12: big runs, but it was kind of a quiet, a

1959
01:39:35,080 --> 01:39:38,960
Speaker 12: quiet day for Like what I mean by quiet is

1960
01:39:39,000 --> 01:39:40,880
Speaker 12: I know he won the MVP and a huge one

1961
01:39:40,920 --> 01:39:43,640
Speaker 12: hundred and sixty yards from scrimmage, but at times I

1962
01:39:43,640 --> 01:39:46,439
Speaker 12: don't think it necessarily felt that way, and yet he

1963
01:39:46,600 --> 01:39:50,680
Speaker 12: still was able to wreck up the yards and be

1964
01:39:50,840 --> 01:39:53,400
Speaker 12: consistent and yeah, I mean, I think Seattle's run game

1965
01:39:53,479 --> 01:39:54,240
Speaker 12: is just good.

1966
01:39:54,600 --> 01:39:55,439
Speaker 2: They're really good.

1967
01:39:55,479 --> 01:39:59,160
Speaker 12: The Patriots new, I'm sure going in we cannot let

1968
01:39:59,240 --> 01:40:03,320
Speaker 12: Walker control this game. And then he went out there

1969
01:40:03,320 --> 01:40:05,720
Speaker 12: and averaged five yards per carry and obviously had the

1970
01:40:05,760 --> 01:40:08,360
Speaker 12: one call back that would have sealed the deal anyway,

1971
01:40:08,760 --> 01:40:11,519
Speaker 12: but played played really, really well. Yeah, I had a

1972
01:40:11,520 --> 01:40:12,000
Speaker 12: great game.

1973
01:40:12,160 --> 01:40:14,599
Speaker 1: Yeah in New England. Now you'd expect them to go answer,

1974
01:40:14,640 --> 01:40:16,320
Speaker 1: but they could. I mean, I think I had one

1975
01:40:16,360 --> 01:40:18,640
Speaker 1: series late in again where wass Matt Collins on consecutive

1976
01:40:18,640 --> 01:40:21,639
Speaker 1: plays and they scored the first touchdown, which even then

1977
01:40:21,680 --> 01:40:23,600
Speaker 1: felt Okay, are they going to make a run and

1978
01:40:23,640 --> 01:40:25,920
Speaker 1: come back? It didn't feel to me, James like they

1979
01:40:25,960 --> 01:40:29,759
Speaker 1: were mounting this comeback that the momenta was shifting. Was like, okay,

1980
01:40:29,800 --> 01:40:33,439
Speaker 1: they scored on consecutive plays, great, but Seattle just was

1981
01:40:33,439 --> 01:40:35,360
Speaker 1: still in full control. Even at that point, I felt

1982
01:40:35,479 --> 01:40:42,040
Speaker 1: to me, yeah, yeah, I never felt like New England

1983
01:40:42,200 --> 01:40:45,559
Speaker 1: was about to make that run. And they were hanging

1984
01:40:45,600 --> 01:40:46,280
Speaker 1: around enough.

1985
01:40:46,439 --> 01:40:49,839
Speaker 12: Like there's times you know, it's nineteen seven, they score

1986
01:40:50,560 --> 01:40:52,800
Speaker 12: and you're right, Matt Collins makes that play and then

1987
01:40:53,560 --> 01:40:55,759
Speaker 12: they get off the field and they have a chance,

1988
01:40:56,280 --> 01:40:58,600
Speaker 12: and there was really no chance. Nineteen seven went the

1989
01:40:58,640 --> 01:41:01,639
Speaker 12: ball and they just they could not get anything going,

1990
01:41:01,760 --> 01:41:07,720
Speaker 12: so it's it was one of those games where selfishly,

1991
01:41:07,760 --> 01:41:09,880
Speaker 12: for me, I didn't have a dog in the five.

1992
01:41:10,120 --> 01:41:12,160
Speaker 12: I was just hoping for a score so it would

1993
01:41:12,240 --> 01:41:15,160
Speaker 12: be closed down the stretch and be competitive and be

1994
01:41:15,240 --> 01:41:17,160
Speaker 12: a game that goes down to the wire, because a

1995
01:41:17,240 --> 01:41:19,920
Speaker 12: lot of the games throughout this postseason have gone down

1996
01:41:19,920 --> 01:41:24,000
Speaker 12: to the wire. This one, unfortunately didn't. And you're right,

1997
01:41:24,120 --> 01:41:25,960
Speaker 12: I mean there was never a time where I was

1998
01:41:26,000 --> 01:41:28,600
Speaker 12: confident that the Patriots were going to go downfield and

1999
01:41:28,640 --> 01:41:29,120
Speaker 12: make it a game.

2000
01:41:29,200 --> 01:41:31,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I mean it was still it was. It

2001
01:41:31,439 --> 01:41:34,000
Speaker 1: felt like a blowout right defensively speaking, but you know,

2002
01:41:34,080 --> 01:41:37,679
Speaker 1: Seattle is twenty nine points, but seventeen were field goals.

2003
01:41:37,720 --> 01:41:40,400
Speaker 1: I mean Jason myers day record five field goals in

2004
01:41:40,400 --> 01:41:42,759
Speaker 1: that game. They it was it was more about field

2005
01:41:42,760 --> 01:41:45,840
Speaker 1: position for them. You know, the guy who I thought

2006
01:41:45,840 --> 01:41:48,280
Speaker 1: made a legitimate shot at MVP was their punter. He

2007
01:41:48,439 --> 01:41:51,000
Speaker 1: got got dang, was putting. He was dropping the coffin

2008
01:41:51,080 --> 01:41:54,080
Speaker 1: corner like at least three times. I think that was unreal.

2009
01:41:54,439 --> 01:41:56,160
Speaker 1: But it was field position for them. They won the

2010
01:41:56,160 --> 01:41:57,080
Speaker 1: field position game.

2011
01:41:58,400 --> 01:42:01,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh for sure, that did. I mean early in

2012
01:42:01,360 --> 01:42:01,879
Speaker 2: the game.

2013
01:42:01,760 --> 01:42:04,920
Speaker 12: It felt like all right, Well, if you get a

2014
01:42:04,960 --> 01:42:06,840
Speaker 12: couple of field goals, you're going to feel really good

2015
01:42:06,840 --> 01:42:11,920
Speaker 12: and control the game. And midway through the first half,

2016
01:42:12,320 --> 01:42:15,320
Speaker 12: a little little bit past the first quarter, it's six

2017
01:42:15,360 --> 01:42:17,240
Speaker 12: and uh, and then I'm like, New England can't do

2018
01:42:17,280 --> 01:42:19,720
Speaker 12: anything on offense and the early down six, Just get

2019
01:42:19,720 --> 01:42:23,000
Speaker 12: a drive, get one drive, and you feel totally different

2020
01:42:23,000 --> 01:42:26,360
Speaker 12: about this game. And they couldn't do it. And Seattle

2021
01:42:26,360 --> 01:42:29,280
Speaker 12: did a good job of keeping them down and keeping

2022
01:42:29,320 --> 01:42:31,280
Speaker 12: them down and not letting them get any momentum and

2023
01:42:31,439 --> 01:42:33,400
Speaker 12: not letting them string together their first down or two

2024
01:42:33,479 --> 01:42:36,040
Speaker 12: or get a good field position like you mentioned, and

2025
01:42:37,120 --> 01:42:40,479
Speaker 12: they just really were dialed in, locked in and made

2026
01:42:40,479 --> 01:42:42,640
Speaker 12: sure that that wasn't going to have.

2027
01:42:43,000 --> 01:42:45,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, darnold, I guess he blanked least of the quarterbacks

2028
01:42:45,920 --> 01:42:48,960
Speaker 1: of Drake may In played a manager a Matt Well

2029
01:42:49,000 --> 01:42:51,679
Speaker 1: managed game. I guess he's on the responsible twelve points.

2030
01:42:51,840 --> 01:42:54,120
Speaker 1: The rest was all special teams in field positions. So

2031
01:42:54,680 --> 01:42:57,679
Speaker 1: I think there's your difference, right. There wasn't like Seattle's

2032
01:42:57,720 --> 01:43:00,960
Speaker 1: defense certainly was smothering and overwhelming and absolutely knocked the

2033
01:43:01,000 --> 01:43:03,120
Speaker 1: crap out of may In that front line for sure,

2034
01:43:03,120 --> 01:43:05,200
Speaker 1: but by and large, just as above, who's kicking the

2035
01:43:05,200 --> 01:43:05,639
Speaker 1: ball better?

2036
01:43:07,000 --> 01:43:07,679
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah?

2037
01:43:07,960 --> 01:43:11,720
Speaker 12: And that and the turnovers, right, I think that's that's it.

2038
01:43:11,840 --> 01:43:18,560
Speaker 12: You have your three turnovers and against that defense, it's it's.

2039
01:43:18,080 --> 01:43:20,320
Speaker 2: Painful and in the Seattle offense.

2040
01:43:20,360 --> 01:43:22,080
Speaker 12: But the one thing I think Sam Donald did a

2041
01:43:22,120 --> 01:43:25,080
Speaker 12: really good job of is just managing things. There was

2042
01:43:25,360 --> 01:43:28,280
Speaker 12: one he missed Jackson Smith and Jinger early for what

2043
01:43:28,280 --> 01:43:31,320
Speaker 12: would have been a crazy touchdown where he went off

2044
01:43:31,360 --> 01:43:33,639
Speaker 12: script and threw it deep to him and just threw

2045
01:43:33,640 --> 01:43:35,360
Speaker 12: it a little too far, didn't get enough under it.

2046
01:43:35,800 --> 01:43:39,040
Speaker 12: But outside of that, I thought that he was able

2047
01:43:39,080 --> 01:43:41,880
Speaker 12: to all right, this is a risky play. I'm gonna

2048
01:43:41,880 --> 01:43:43,519
Speaker 12: I'm gonna throw it away or I'm gonna make sure

2049
01:43:43,520 --> 01:43:46,160
Speaker 12: I don't put this ball in danger. And that's what

2050
01:43:46,240 --> 01:43:49,000
Speaker 12: I was concerned about from a Seahawks standpoint going into

2051
01:43:49,000 --> 01:43:52,360
Speaker 12: that game. Does Sam Donald turned the ball over? Didn't

2052
01:43:52,800 --> 01:43:56,719
Speaker 12: trusted his defense and Kenneth Walker and that's all they needed.

2053
01:43:56,720 --> 01:43:59,200
Speaker 1: That was enough And that was a knock right going

2054
01:43:59,240 --> 01:44:02,240
Speaker 1: into Champion Chip weekend, this guy second out, Oh my god,

2055
01:44:02,560 --> 01:44:05,320
Speaker 1: we'll see what happens. And he put it together against

2056
01:44:06,200 --> 01:44:09,519
Speaker 1: He put it together in the NFC Championship game and

2057
01:44:09,840 --> 01:44:10,880
Speaker 1: he continued to stretch.

2058
01:44:10,920 --> 01:44:11,080
Speaker 2: Here.

2059
01:44:11,640 --> 01:44:13,439
Speaker 1: Now, I don't know if Sam Donold's going to be, like,

2060
01:44:13,479 --> 01:44:15,720
Speaker 1: you know, one of your top five quarterbacks he's in

2061
01:44:15,800 --> 01:44:19,880
Speaker 1: the NFL. Probably not, but uh, it was interesting in

2062
01:44:19,880 --> 01:44:22,040
Speaker 1: that perspect which you said the biggest winner in this

2063
01:44:22,120 --> 01:44:31,800
Speaker 1: game yesterday James Rapine was bad bunny. I uh big

2064
01:44:31,960 --> 01:44:35,679
Speaker 1: the winner, I biggest winner, bad bunny, My good money.

2065
01:44:36,000 --> 01:44:40,040
Speaker 12: I don't even know if you know, things are wid

2066
01:44:40,080 --> 01:44:41,919
Speaker 12: when the sports guy doesn't want to talk about.

2067
01:44:41,680 --> 01:44:45,479
Speaker 1: That thirty five million people watching that thing. I thought

2068
01:44:45,520 --> 01:44:48,280
Speaker 1: the game itself was like just mad. The commercials were

2069
01:44:48,320 --> 01:44:50,280
Speaker 1: just mad because you often don't get a chance to

2070
01:44:50,280 --> 01:44:53,639
Speaker 1: sit down and just watch football, James, because you're following

2071
01:44:53,640 --> 01:44:56,240
Speaker 1: the Bengals and you know, but you know, the postseason

2072
01:44:56,280 --> 01:44:58,400
Speaker 1: for sure, especially the Super Bowls, like it's like okay,

2073
01:44:58,479 --> 01:45:00,880
Speaker 1: and that it was just one of those years were

2074
01:45:00,920 --> 01:45:03,160
Speaker 1: like okay. I guess it was fine. It was a

2075
01:45:03,200 --> 01:45:05,679
Speaker 1: game that first it looked like New England.

2076
01:45:05,680 --> 01:45:05,840
Speaker 6: Though.

2077
01:45:05,880 --> 01:45:08,120
Speaker 1: Man, they were really pressing early. I thought they they

2078
01:45:08,240 --> 01:45:12,600
Speaker 1: missed opportunities, chances. Gonzales for example, several turnovers they just

2079
01:45:12,640 --> 01:45:14,240
Speaker 1: couldn't come up with the ball. And he thought, at

2080
01:45:14,240 --> 01:45:16,639
Speaker 1: some point, will they keep taking chances like this, they're

2081
01:45:16,640 --> 01:45:18,320
Speaker 1: going to get burned, and ultimately they did.

2082
01:45:19,920 --> 01:45:21,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, Paul, for sure.

2083
01:45:21,120 --> 01:45:24,759
Speaker 12: Yeah, there were multiple times where they could have grabbed

2084
01:45:24,760 --> 01:45:27,800
Speaker 12: some momentum. There was a play Drake May took a

2085
01:45:27,880 --> 01:45:31,840
Speaker 12: sack and Hunter Henry's wide open over the middle and

2086
01:45:32,080 --> 01:45:34,519
Speaker 12: maybe maybe Henry makes a guy miss and gets the

2087
01:45:34,520 --> 01:45:36,639
Speaker 12: first down and that's the momentum you need. And instead

2088
01:45:36,640 --> 01:45:39,559
Speaker 12: it's a sack, youet the punt, and so those kind

2089
01:45:39,600 --> 01:45:43,760
Speaker 12: of plays they add up and that's it. But yeah,

2090
01:45:43,800 --> 01:45:47,800
Speaker 12: I felt throughout the game like all right, is there

2091
01:45:47,800 --> 01:45:49,760
Speaker 12: going to be more here or is this all we're doing?

2092
01:45:49,920 --> 01:45:50,599
Speaker 12: Is this all we're doing?

2093
01:45:50,720 --> 01:45:50,920
Speaker 2: You know?

2094
01:45:50,960 --> 01:45:54,519
Speaker 1: And that's all? That's all it was like, Yeah, I

2095
01:45:54,560 --> 01:45:56,800
Speaker 1: mean Bay missing that like where they play was on

2096
01:45:56,800 --> 01:45:59,040
Speaker 1: the five yard line and he had a receiver downfield,

2097
01:45:59,080 --> 01:46:01,640
Speaker 1: could have blew that thing open and miss that, and

2098
01:46:01,640 --> 01:46:03,840
Speaker 1: of course took Chrissingganzaleg's had a chance for two or

2099
01:46:03,880 --> 01:46:05,800
Speaker 1: three picks and he couldn't hold onto it. So but

2100
01:46:05,920 --> 01:46:08,799
Speaker 1: that guy's incredibly you know, he gets in position unlike

2101
01:46:08,840 --> 01:46:12,719
Speaker 1: any other I think back in the league. So anyway,

2102
01:46:12,720 --> 01:46:14,280
Speaker 1: all right, the off season is here, It's time to

2103
01:46:14,280 --> 01:46:16,240
Speaker 1: go Houday once again put the Bengal gear back on

2104
01:46:16,320 --> 01:46:19,599
Speaker 1: as we mount up the attack sometime in August, if

2105
01:46:19,640 --> 01:46:23,000
Speaker 1: not September. James Rapine over at Sports Illustrated, and of

2106
01:46:23,000 --> 01:46:26,639
Speaker 1: course it's locked on Bengals the podcast and Bengals Talk

2107
01:46:26,680 --> 01:46:29,560
Speaker 1: dot com, the website, everything Bengal related. And there's a

2108
01:46:29,600 --> 01:46:32,200
Speaker 1: lot of work to be done, certainly in Cincinnati when

2109
01:46:32,200 --> 01:46:34,559
Speaker 1: it comes to getting the team ready for twenty twenty six. James,

2110
01:46:34,600 --> 01:46:36,320
Speaker 1: have a great off season, buddy, all the best. Appreciate

2111
01:46:36,400 --> 01:46:39,920
Speaker 1: you, you two, Scott appreciate you. Take carel It's a news

2112
01:46:40,000 --> 01:46:42,800
Speaker 1: update and more to follow, including Bill Cunningham at twelve

2113
01:46:42,840 --> 01:46:46,000
Speaker 1: oh six today. So I watched the halftime show Bad Bundy,

2114
01:46:46,080 --> 01:46:48,280
Speaker 1: like I had ten minutes. I've done worse for far longer.

2115
01:46:48,760 --> 01:46:50,679
Speaker 1: I didn't understand the damn word the man was saying,

2116
01:46:50,680 --> 01:46:53,000
Speaker 1: but I thought the you know, the show itself was

2117
01:46:53,040 --> 01:46:55,799
Speaker 1: pretty damn good, even though I didn't understand it. Willie

2118
01:46:55,840 --> 01:46:57,479
Speaker 1: will tell me how I'm wrong. Coming up next twelve

2119
01:46:57,479 --> 01:46:59,280
Speaker 1: oh six, Home of the Red seven hundred w DOWT

2120
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Speaker 1: SINCNAT