WEBVTT - Mike Allen Saturday Mid-Day -- 11/29/25

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<v Speaker 1>News Radio seven hundred WLW Mike Gallon and Saturday midday,

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<v Speaker 1>A cold Saturday morning.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm used to this.

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<v Speaker 3>Well.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope everyone had a great Thanksgiving. I know I

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<v Speaker 1>did eight too much. Maybe he had a few German waters,

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<v Speaker 1>but hey, I wasn't driving, so who cares. But on

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<v Speaker 1>a serious note, a sad, sad day on Wednesday of

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<v Speaker 1>this week, of course, that was the day that two

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<v Speaker 1>West Virginia National Guard members. One, interestingly enough, was an

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<v Speaker 1>Airman Air Force member, that's Air Force staff Sergeant Andrew Wolfe,

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<v Speaker 1>apparently attached to this National Guard unit West Virginia, and

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<v Speaker 1>the decedent, the young lady, passed away and Sergeant wolf

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<v Speaker 1>is fighting for his life and so far, so good,

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<v Speaker 1>but apparently it's very serious with him. The young lady,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty years old Army specialist, Sarah Beckstrom. She died from

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<v Speaker 1>her injuries on Thursday. Her father was on TV yesterday

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<v Speaker 1>and obviously it's just indescribable the grief that a father

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<v Speaker 1>would have about that. So we're keeping our hearts open

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<v Speaker 1>and our prayers going for Steph Sergeant wolf and hopefully

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<v Speaker 1>he pulls through. But you know, so many of these

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<v Speaker 1>things they're avoidable or should have been avoidable. This didn't

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<v Speaker 1>need to happen. It just didn't need to happen. And

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, once again, thank you Biden administration. This young lady,

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<v Speaker 1>this twenty year old who, by the way, one of

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<v Speaker 1>the stories I saw said that she said, hey, look,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm twenty, I'm single. I will go in somebody's place

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<v Speaker 1>because the other person probably has a family.

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<v Speaker 2>That's kind of person this young lady was.

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<v Speaker 1>But again, Biden administration didn't need to happen. It happened

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<v Speaker 1>because of the gross negligence of said Biden administration.

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<v Speaker 2>We all remember it.

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<v Speaker 1>I watched it with just utter shock and horror that

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<v Speaker 1>pull out from Afghanistan that the whole world saw. And

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, it's kind of funny after that, that's

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<v Speaker 1>when other countries started challenging us. They let all these

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<v Speaker 1>people in. I don't know, you hear any number of

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<v Speaker 1>different numbers. Thousands. I heard one twenty thousand Afghan nationals

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<v Speaker 1>were let in, supposedly because they thought they would be

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<v Speaker 1>under some kind of fear or death sentence in the

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<v Speaker 1>new administration.

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<v Speaker 2>So we let them in.

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<v Speaker 1>We let them in, and I get it if they

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<v Speaker 1>truly helped Americans truly, then I think we do have

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<v Speaker 1>an obligation to let them in, provided we can properly

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<v Speaker 1>document them and screen them first.

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<v Speaker 2>Well that didn't happen. They were not vetted.

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<v Speaker 1>This guy and I'm gonna mispronounce his name, but I

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't care less.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't like these people.

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<v Speaker 1>Ramadulla Lochandhal twenty nine years of age, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>looking for a motive, and I've been following the news

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<v Speaker 1>on that as far as a motive goes. One of

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<v Speaker 1>the soldiers, I don't know if it was a deceased

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<v Speaker 1>one or before he died or she died, I'm sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>or staff sergeant Wolf, but one of them reported that

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<v Speaker 1>upon shooting and in the process of this, this piece

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<v Speaker 1>of garbage, this piece of human filth uttered akbar. So

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, if you're looking for a motive, just

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<v Speaker 1>stop there. You don't have to go any further at all.

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<v Speaker 1>And once again, completely completely and totally avoidable.

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<v Speaker 2>If we see this over and over and over again.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know the thing about Biden, which is just

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<v Speaker 1>it's still mind boggling. There are people, notably tops on

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<v Speaker 1>the hit Parade doctor Jill, who thought that this man

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<v Speaker 1>could serve another four years in office. That's the true

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<v Speaker 1>scandal of the whole thing. You know, she got all

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<v Speaker 1>wrapped up in the trappings of being first lady is

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<v Speaker 1>Come on, Joe, you can do it for another four

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<v Speaker 1>years while the country continued to suffer. Thank god, thank god,

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<v Speaker 1>thank god, that did not happen.

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<v Speaker 2>That didn't happen.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you know, I'm sure you've seen on Fox retired

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<v Speaker 1>special agent FBI special agent Nicole Parker. She has been

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<v Speaker 1>all over this stuff as far as the lack of

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<v Speaker 1>vetting and that type of thing. She told Fox News

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<v Speaker 1>Digital that the screening process during the Rush twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 1>one withdrawal was essentially, and I'm quoting her here, a

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<v Speaker 1>free for all, and that's probably being charitable.

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<v Speaker 2>Story goes on.

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<v Speaker 1>Tens of thousands of Afghans were evacuated to the US

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<v Speaker 1>in the wake of the withdrawal and subsequent Taliban takeover

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<v Speaker 1>of the country. The chaotic nature of the operation raised

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<v Speaker 1>concerns at the time for Republicans, again, Republicans being the

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<v Speaker 1>ones that were not asleep at the switch, and official

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<v Speaker 1>and in official reports that some evacuees were not properly

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<v Speaker 1>vetted and could could and that could have catastrophic consequences.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think well, anyway?

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<v Speaker 1>Retired Special Agent Parker went on to say, they said

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<v Speaker 1>it's a ticking time bomb waiting to explode because we've

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<v Speaker 1>just allowed all these people into our country. You know again,

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<v Speaker 1>you think well? Josh Hawley, as usual, was all over it.

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<v Speaker 1>He revealed that a whistleblower said three hundred and twenty

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<v Speaker 1>four individuals had entered the country with what they're referring

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<v Speaker 1>to as derogatory information. Can't be good, obviously, While a

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty two report by the Department of Homeland Securities

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<v Speaker 1>Office of the IG Inspector General separately found the Department

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<v Speaker 1>failed to properly that evacuees entering the US creating a

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<v Speaker 1>potential national security risk. Do you think I mean, it

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't take Einstein to figure out that that would be

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<v Speaker 1>a problem.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll say it again.

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<v Speaker 1>If these people truly have the United States of America

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<v Speaker 1>to their detriment, putting them at risk of payback from

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<v Speaker 1>the Taliban, we should have helped them. But by God,

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<v Speaker 1>we should have vetted them too, And apparently literally no

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<v Speaker 1>or very little vetting took place. Well again, retired Specially

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<v Speaker 1>Agent Parker goes on to say there were individuals, there

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<v Speaker 1>were individuals that were not being recommended to come to

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<v Speaker 1>the United States, yet they were being overridden by the

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<v Speaker 1>Biden State Department. Initially it was a free for all

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<v Speaker 1>and no one was being vetted.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just to see this stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>It still makes me sick and it brings me back

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<v Speaker 1>watching that that bungled pull out. In addition to the

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<v Speaker 1>lives that were lost, and I think it was at

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<v Speaker 1>the time at least eighteen American service members were killed

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<v Speaker 1>during that thing. Million not millions, billions of dollars worth

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<v Speaker 1>of military equipment left behind, hum v's weapons, helicopters, even

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<v Speaker 1>and you know the thing of it is, people are well, Mike,

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump said he was going to pull out too,

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<v Speaker 1>and he did, and he did. But by god, I

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<v Speaker 1>know for a fact that there is no way that

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<v Speaker 1>that pullout would have came like it did under Biden

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<v Speaker 1>if it would have been Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, there's a.

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<v Speaker 1>Guy by the name of Jason Pack. He's the chief

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<v Speaker 1>executive officer at an outfit called Media Rep Global Strategies.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a PR and crisis communications firm. He told Fox

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<v Speaker 1>News that it was a massive humanitarian operation true attempted

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<v Speaker 1>I guess humanitarian operation, but it also carried unavoidable risks. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, I'm sorry, I respectfully disagree with mister Pack.

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<v Speaker 2>It was not unavoidable. It was not.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, the guiding stars should have been Hey, if

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<v Speaker 1>you ain't vetted properly, you're not getting in.

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<v Speaker 2>You're just not going to get in and send him

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<v Speaker 2>to another country.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure there's some that would have taken them, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the whole thing again, just completely and totally avoidable. President

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<v Speaker 1>Trump yesterday, i think it was yesterday, maybe the day

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<v Speaker 1>before yesterday, was talking to reporters about this and they're

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<v Speaker 1>grilling them about, you know, where they vetted this, that

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<v Speaker 1>and the other.

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<v Speaker 2>President Trump, God love him.

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<v Speaker 1>If a reporter asks him a question that he think

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<v Speaker 1>is either unfair or frankly stupid, he tells them and

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<v Speaker 1>that happened. I want to listen to this because it

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<v Speaker 1>makes me happy. Could you play it please?

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<v Speaker 4>Your dj IG just reported this year that there was thorough.

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<v Speaker 5>Vetting by DHS and by the FBI of these Afghans

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<v Speaker 5>who were brought into the US.

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<v Speaker 6>So why do you blame the Fighten Advisory because they

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<v Speaker 6>let them in? Are you stupid? Are you a stupid person?

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<v Speaker 6>Because they came in on a plane along with thousands

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<v Speaker 6>of other people that shouldn't be here, and you're just

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<v Speaker 6>asking questions because you're a stupid person. And there's a

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<v Speaker 6>law passed that it's almost impossible not to get them out.

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<v Speaker 2>You can't get them out once they come in.

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<v Speaker 6>And they came in and they were unvetted, they were unchecked.

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<v Speaker 6>There were many of them, and they came in on

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<v Speaker 6>big planes and it was disgraceful. And if you look,

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<v Speaker 6>you'll see there was a law pass it makes it

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<v Speaker 6>almost impossible not to let them in, not to certify them,

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<v Speaker 6>so to speak, once they come in, and they came

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<v Speaker 6>in and they shouldn't have come in, and frankly, the

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<v Speaker 6>whole thing was a mess. The whole Afghanistan situation was

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<v Speaker 6>a mess. We shouldn't it should have never taken place.

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<v Speaker 6>If we're going to go out, and we would have

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<v Speaker 6>gone out because I had everybody ready. We were going

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<v Speaker 6>to go out with strength and dignity and precision, and

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<v Speaker 6>we would have left from Bagram, and we would have

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<v Speaker 6>kept Bogram, by the way, because of its very close

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<v Speaker 6>relationship to China and where they make their missiles. But

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<v Speaker 6>when you let the people come in by the thousands

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<v Speaker 6>and thousands and thousands, they made a terrible.

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<v Speaker 2>Mistake, but they weren't competent.

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<v Speaker 1>There you go, I mean, crammed into what about a

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<v Speaker 1>minute and a half. It says it all. They were incompetent.

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<v Speaker 1>You let thousands and thousands and thousands of people in,

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<v Speaker 1>things like this are going to happen. And once again,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you very much. Joe Biden, his administration and he

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<v Speaker 1>were more concerned about making sure we don't violate what

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<v Speaker 1>they considered the rights of people who were not American citizens,

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<v Speaker 1>and American citizens be damned, we don't care about you.

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<v Speaker 1>We're more interested in protecting those people. And in the

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<v Speaker 1>overwhelming majority of cases, some say twenty million people that

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<v Speaker 1>just they trespassed into our country. This one's a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit different. But thank you Donald Trump for recognizing, by

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<v Speaker 1>the way, that was a CBS News reporter asking a

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<v Speaker 1>stupid question. And he is correct, and I love it,

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<v Speaker 1>and I know a lot of other people do when

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<v Speaker 1>he calls them stupid to their face. You know, gone

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<v Speaker 1>are the days when you know, Dan Rather stands up

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<v Speaker 1>and says something, and you know everybody towers in fear. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>we can't challenge him, We can't challenge CBS News. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>guess what, those days thank you under President Trump are gone.

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<v Speaker 1>Just a little bit more on this thing. This gunman,

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<v Speaker 1>the guy that I talked about. I'm not going to

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<v Speaker 1>repeat his name. And now, by the way, they're seeking

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<v Speaker 1>the death penalty against him, and Afghan national officials say

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<v Speaker 1>he drove all the way across the country, apparently from

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<v Speaker 1>Washington State. I think it was to carry out his attack.

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<v Speaker 1>He was possibly motivated by Islamic extremism, you think. Give

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<v Speaker 1>it reports that one of the soldiers who helped take

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<v Speaker 1>him down, as I said, heard this piece of dung

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<v Speaker 1>yelling Allah achbar during the attack. You know, if anyone

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<v Speaker 1>says anything after that, gee, I wonder what his motives

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<v Speaker 1>were there? You go too, filthy, disgusting, degenerate words that

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<v Speaker 1>those people utter when they are doing something harmful and

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<v Speaker 1>hurtful and deadly to citizens and soldiers of the United

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<v Speaker 1>States of America. But of course, the whole thing not

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<v Speaker 1>Biden's fault. No, it's Donald Trump's fault.

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<v Speaker 2>Again.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm reading from a great article in City Journal that

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<v Speaker 1>came out yesterday.

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<v Speaker 2>Trump's fault.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, while the attack itself could not have been

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<v Speaker 1>speci predicted, some of the commentary in its wake has

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<v Speaker 1>been politically predictable, you think. Jane Mayer, a vocal Trump critic,

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<v Speaker 1>took to x to blame the President for the tragedy.

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<v Speaker 1>She wrote that guard members, and I'm quoting here, I

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<v Speaker 1>may get sick, but I'm gonna quote it. Guard members

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<v Speaker 1>quote had virtually nothing to do but pick up trash.

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<v Speaker 1>That the Guard's presence in d C was quote for

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<v Speaker 1>political show. That Beckstrom and Wolf, those are the two

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<v Speaker 1>service members should never have been deployed. They weren't needed there.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess that's the gist of it, or at least

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<v Speaker 1>part of it. Well, you know what, you know what,

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<v Speaker 1>miss Mayor, why don't you talk to d C Mayor Bowser?

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<v Speaker 2>Why don't you talk to her?

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<v Speaker 1>Because she and I give her credit for this, I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't expect it. She praised Trump for doing that in DC,

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<v Speaker 1>for driving murder down in that city, Washington, d C.

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<v Speaker 1>So maybe ought to talk to her, a liberal Democrat

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<v Speaker 1>who had the courage to praise the president for his efforts.

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<v Speaker 1>One more on this thing going on in the City

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<v Speaker 1>Journal article again Trump's fault.

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<v Speaker 2>Echoing Jane Mayer. We just heard from her on PBS.

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<v Speaker 1>Former Obama administration official Juliet Cayam criticized the president's decision

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<v Speaker 1>to employ guardsmen in DC, which she said left them

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<v Speaker 1>with an unclear mission that the soldiers service members.

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<v Speaker 2>That quote made them vulnerable.

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<v Speaker 1>In its coverage of the shoote the shooting, the New

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<v Speaker 1>York Times ended a reported piece with a quote from

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<v Speaker 1>a West Virginia resident who blamed the president, stating that

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<v Speaker 1>the guardsmen quote should shouldn't have been there in the

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<v Speaker 1>first place. Well, I'll tell you what that person that

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<v Speaker 1>said that, you know, might make the same claim about

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<v Speaker 1>the discussing piece of dung that killed the soldiers. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>apparently the New York Times couldn't find anyone saying so

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<v Speaker 1>for its coverage, which I think the author of this,

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<v Speaker 1>Rafael mang mangu Wow said.

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<v Speaker 2>That tongue in cheek.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's just so much more on this, and we

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<v Speaker 1>will be talking about it throughout the morning. But again,

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<v Speaker 1>a sad day for the United States of America. And

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<v Speaker 1>one more time, thank you Joe Biden. Hey, we got

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<v Speaker 1>to take a break, but we get back. I want

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<v Speaker 1>to hear from you seven four nine, seven thousand, one

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<v Speaker 1>eight hundred. The big one are the numbers, Mike Allen

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<v Speaker 1>Saturday midday as their approven cleuding process uses no soaps, detergents,

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<v Speaker 1>or ours chemicals, so there's no residue Day midday. Got

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<v Speaker 1>some collars here want to be a part of it,

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<v Speaker 1>and we will get to them. And just a second

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<v Speaker 1>here a couple of things, just kind of clean up

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<v Speaker 1>from the from the rant talked about DC Mayor Muriel

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<v Speaker 1>Bowser praising President Trump for putting those National Guard troops there.

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<v Speaker 1>This is from Congress dot gov. It is dated August

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<v Speaker 1>twenty seventh, twenty twenty five. Headline reads DC Mayor Muriel

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<v Speaker 1>Bowser praises Donald Trump's police takeover. Sub headline the city's

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<v Speaker 1>democratic mayor has maintained an unusual working relationship with the

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<v Speaker 1>Republican president. Okay, here's what Mayor Bowser said, and I'm quoting.

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<v Speaker 1>We greatly appreciate the surge of officers that enhance what

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<v Speaker 1>MPD and that must mean Municipal Police Department anyways, the

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<v Speaker 1>DC Police, what MPD has been able to do in

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<v Speaker 1>this city.

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<v Speaker 2>She said that at a press conference.

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<v Speaker 1>She goes on to say the difference being this twenty

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<v Speaker 1>day period of the federal this federal sur and this

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<v Speaker 1>year and last year represents an eighty seven percent reduction

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<v Speaker 1>in carjackings. So for those of you that want to

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<v Speaker 1>blame Trump for this and say those guards men and

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<v Speaker 1>women had no business being there, I would just refer

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<v Speaker 1>you back to liberal But I think kind of gutsy

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<v Speaker 1>mayor bowser, if you want to say that. So, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>but it is typical though that they would turn around

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<v Speaker 1>and blame it on Trump when.

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<v Speaker 2>All else fails. You know what, that's what you do.

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<v Speaker 1>One more thing before the calls, I was talking about

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<v Speaker 1>the article that I found in the City Journal by

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<v Speaker 1>raphael A. Manguel. I don't know anything about him, but buddy,

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<v Speaker 1>he's right on this one. Just let me read a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of sentences here. Okay, this is what mister Manguel

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<v Speaker 1>says is it's not clear how the presidents to say

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<v Speaker 1>decision and he's referring to the decision to put the

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<v Speaker 1>troops on National Guard in Washington, d C. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>clear how the president's decision created the conditions for a

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<v Speaker 1>deranged Afghan national to leave behind a wife and five

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<v Speaker 1>children drive approximately twenty five hundred miles with a handgun

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<v Speaker 1>and attack soldiers in DC. But the argument sounds an

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<v Speaker 1>awful lot like victim blaming if, in fact, a foreign

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<v Speaker 1>national carrying out an attack in the name of Islam

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<v Speaker 1>was a predictable consequence of the president's decision to deploy

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<v Speaker 1>the National Guard to fortify the streets of Washington, d C. Which, again,

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<v Speaker 1>I would point out the mayor was for against the

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<v Speaker 1>crime plague. And here's the dinger here. Then this country

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<v Speaker 1>has a much bigger problem. Well put, well, put, mister mangwell,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, let's hit the phones.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's talk to Fred.

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<v Speaker 1>He's down in Saint Petersburg, Florida, which would be a

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<v Speaker 1>nice place to be about.

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<v Speaker 4>Now. How you doing, Fred, I'm doing fine.

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<v Speaker 7>The weather is really good. You know, you said there's

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<v Speaker 7>no reason to talk about the motive of this guy.

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<v Speaker 7>He's just a maniac. But at some point our country

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<v Speaker 7>vetted that guy and he was on our side, and

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<v Speaker 7>you know I came.

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<v Speaker 1>Over Hang on, right, I just want to make sure

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<v Speaker 1>you're you're absolutely right. I did say that, but what

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<v Speaker 1>I meant was somewhat tongue in cheek, but not really.

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<v Speaker 1>When you hear a guy yell a la op bar

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<v Speaker 1>while he's killing Americans. I think you know what his

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<v Speaker 1>GD motive is. I'm sorry, go ahead.

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<v Speaker 7>Though, absolutely, but nobody does anything for just one reason.

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<v Speaker 7>His family may have been threatened. There was bad guys

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<v Speaker 7>coming on that plane with him, and those bad guys

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<v Speaker 7>know he was on our side at that time. So

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<v Speaker 7>they're not going to let that guy, uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 7>get away with that. They're they're sneaking around our country

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<v Speaker 7>right now, those bad guys looking for those guys that

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<v Speaker 7>were on our side. And if we don't look at

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<v Speaker 7>it that way, you know, we should protect those guy's families.

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<v Speaker 8>Are that man?

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<v Speaker 1>And I said that in the rent. I couldn't agree

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<v Speaker 1>with you more. But I mean, this is a guy.

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<v Speaker 1>Something happened to him, something turned him. Because I take

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<v Speaker 1>what you're saying, you say it, I believe it that

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<v Speaker 1>the dude really was helping.

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<v Speaker 2>But man, you just wonder what happened to him.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, well, he probably expected to die when he did this.

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<v Speaker 7>There is a lot worse things he could have done.

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<v Speaker 7>I mean, you know, for Bacca or whatever he said,

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<v Speaker 7>there's a lot worse things he could.

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<v Speaker 4>Have done well like that, I mean, except hell, he could.

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<v Speaker 7>Have bombed up a building or something.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I get that what he did is enough.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, absolutely, there's no doubt about that. But I bet

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<v Speaker 7>you his family was threatened and he said, well, okay,

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<v Speaker 7>I'll do this if you leave my family alone. And

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<v Speaker 7>he let it at that, and I just in the

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<v Speaker 7>back of my mind, I think there's more to this,

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<v Speaker 7>and we probably won't hear about it because they can't

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<v Speaker 7>let it out. If they let it out, then you know,

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<v Speaker 7>the family will go kill the family. Yeah, if this

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<v Speaker 7>guy talks, If this guy talks and it gets out

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<v Speaker 7>of the bag that he's talked, then those bad guys

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<v Speaker 7>are going to go after the families of these guys

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<v Speaker 7>that were on our side.

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<v Speaker 2>I understand.

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<v Speaker 7>Can't believe our government's I can't believe our governments not

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<v Speaker 7>protecting their families more than they are. I just can't

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<v Speaker 7>believe this.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know what to do, and you make good points, Fred,

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<v Speaker 2>you do.

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<v Speaker 1>But the thing of it is, if Joe Biden and

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<v Speaker 1>the Biden administration were going to let that many people.

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<v Speaker 2>In and I get it, you know, it was like.

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<v Speaker 1>When we withdrew from Vietnam, which was an orderly withdrawal

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<v Speaker 1>compared to this thing. I think the United States of

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<v Speaker 1>America I know because I've read about it, made a

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<v Speaker 1>real effort, in a pretty successful effort, to protect those

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<v Speaker 1>people that helped us, those that were able to get out,

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<v Speaker 1>and we should do it.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, by god, what twenty twenty one? Where are we?

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<v Speaker 2>Almost twenty twenty six? That could have been done, They

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<v Speaker 2>could have been.

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<v Speaker 7>You know, the news is the saying Biden did this.

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<v Speaker 7>You know, you know, Biden didn't know what the hell

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<v Speaker 7>was going on.

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<v Speaker 9>He didn't The people.

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<v Speaker 7>Behind him were running the country. They did this, and

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<v Speaker 7>they knew what they were doing. Remember what Obama said,

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<v Speaker 7>We're gonna fundamentally change this country. Yeah, and they've been

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<v Speaker 7>two hundred ever since then.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Fred, thanks for the cost. Okay, thank you. Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>enjoy that weather. Yeah, he's down there in Saint Petersburg. Man,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm jealous. Okay, let's see, let's see. Let's talk to

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<v Speaker 1>Dale in Waynesville. Hey, good morning, Dale, what you got

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<v Speaker 1>for us?

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<v Speaker 4>All right?

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<v Speaker 2>How you doing? I'm good, I'm good.

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<v Speaker 4>But good good? Great? Uh, well, you know a couple

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<v Speaker 4>of things.

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<v Speaker 10>Uh, you know, the guy was right about Biden. You know,

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<v Speaker 10>I've never never liked Joe even way back in his past.

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<v Speaker 10>Uh he was just super strange. But towards the end,

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<v Speaker 10>I kind of felt sorry for Joe because he didn't

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<v Speaker 10>even know what he had for breakfast this morning, you know,

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<v Speaker 10>And and you know things like that. Uh so, you know,

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<v Speaker 10>And and this guy, like we say, drill clear across

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<v Speaker 10>the country, why when he when he had National guardsmen

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<v Speaker 10>to shoot at practically next.

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<v Speaker 2>Door's good point.

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<v Speaker 10>I don't know if anybody anybody ever thought about that

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<v Speaker 10>or not.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a good point. I mean, he was motivated somehow.

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<v Speaker 1>In my previous call, I respect what he said, and

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<v Speaker 1>I agree with a lot of it, but you know,

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<v Speaker 1>my god, you just can't explain this away.

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<v Speaker 10>No, no, there's no explanation for this except for the

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<v Speaker 10>evilness of of this guy's motivation.

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<v Speaker 2>Of those people. I'm not of those people.

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<v Speaker 1>I do not like them, and I don't think I

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<v Speaker 1>ever will.

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<v Speaker 4>That's true.

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<v Speaker 10>That's true in my in my honest opinion, all right,

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<v Speaker 10>I think that there should be a point of view

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<v Speaker 10>where that what happened to these these kids who were

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<v Speaker 10>just doing their job.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh and and and this guy.

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<v Speaker 10>Shot there's there should be volunteers from his gardens, his

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<v Speaker 10>fellow guardsmen, to go in there, and and you know

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<v Speaker 10>you could, you could get as many as you wanted,

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<v Speaker 10>probably take about ten of them, and and you know,

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<v Speaker 10>it was just you know, that's my opinion.

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<v Speaker 4>It should be.

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<v Speaker 10>This should be stopped, and it should be uh should

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<v Speaker 10>be stopped something it could be.

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<v Speaker 2>Something needs to be done.

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<v Speaker 11>Dale.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, I appreciate the call. I got a bunch to

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<v Speaker 1>get to though. Thank you. You know, I mean, I

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<v Speaker 1>understand what he's saying. I understand the frustration. I share

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<v Speaker 1>in the frustration these people. They're the two guardsmen, men

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<v Speaker 1>and women. You know, they were doing their job. They

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<v Speaker 1>were doing what they signed up to do. And to

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<v Speaker 1>say that, well, you know, they never should have been

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<v Speaker 1>there in the first place. Well, you know, number one,

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<v Speaker 1>contrary to what those six Democrats this week said about

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<v Speaker 1>ignoring orders, they were ordered to be there by the

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<v Speaker 1>President of the United States, and it is specifically cited,

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<v Speaker 1>it's either in a statute or in the oath that

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<v Speaker 1>they shall obey those orders. But you know, I guess

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<v Speaker 1>that's a different situation here. I don't know. Hey, let's

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<v Speaker 1>talk to our friend Bobby J. Hey, Bobby J. What's up?

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<v Speaker 4>My brother?

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<v Speaker 9>A simple thank you can't express our true feelings of appreciation.

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<v Speaker 9>You keep holding that torture freedom buy and bright my well,

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<v Speaker 9>thank you. I don't have a crystal ball out, but

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<v Speaker 9>we've all been in different things in our country.

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<v Speaker 4>But this individual, you have to look at it.

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<v Speaker 9>That person has the will, the desire, and the means

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<v Speaker 9>they're going to pretty much so complete their task. And

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<v Speaker 9>all you can do is try to critique their actions

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<v Speaker 9>after their operations. And you know that being in the military. Yep.

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<v Speaker 9>If you look at the Department of Justice and what

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<v Speaker 9>they looked into, this is called neoistic violence extremism. Right now,

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<v Speaker 9>we're having a cultural revolution where you are groups you know,

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<v Speaker 9>I mean they just went ahead and had the Islamic Brotherhood.

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<v Speaker 9>You know, they're a terrorist organization.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, well, Bobby, Bobby, but whatever you do, whatever you do,

0:28:10.440 --> 0:28:14.600
<v Speaker 1>don't criticize them. You know, you might be called an islamophobe.

0:28:14.880 --> 0:28:16.960
<v Speaker 1>Of course I say that tongue in cheek.

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<v Speaker 9>My friend. You could call me anything you want to,

0:28:21.760 --> 0:28:26.440
<v Speaker 9>because it's just not a patterned distraction. Now, people need

0:28:26.480 --> 0:28:30.040
<v Speaker 9>to be resilience. You know, resilience is being traded for comfort.

0:28:30.560 --> 0:28:34.760
<v Speaker 9>People need to understand that that this is just an

0:28:34.800 --> 0:28:38.160
<v Speaker 9>isolated incident, but expected to come a lot more.

0:28:38.480 --> 0:28:39.800
<v Speaker 2>There's no question about it.

0:28:40.160 --> 0:28:42.560
<v Speaker 1>No, And you know what, if Joe Biden were still

0:28:42.600 --> 0:28:46.080
<v Speaker 1>in office, God forbid, Bobby, I mean, we would be

0:28:46.160 --> 0:28:47.760
<v Speaker 1>seeing a lot more of this stuff.

0:28:48.000 --> 0:28:50.760
<v Speaker 2>I believe I do too, my friend.

0:28:50.880 --> 0:28:51.080
<v Speaker 4>Yep.

0:28:51.200 --> 0:28:53.240
<v Speaker 9>But I appreciate you taking my call, and I know

0:28:53.280 --> 0:28:55.000
<v Speaker 9>you've got a lot of little callers. I just want

0:28:55.040 --> 0:28:58.560
<v Speaker 9>everybody to be resilient, and I always think it could

0:28:58.560 --> 0:28:59.920
<v Speaker 9>be at your doorstep at any more.

0:29:00.360 --> 0:29:02.440
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, absolutely, thank you.

0:29:02.680 --> 0:29:05.960
<v Speaker 1>I appreciate the all right, all right, you know what,

0:29:06.520 --> 0:29:09.560
<v Speaker 1>And he's right too, it could be any one of us.

0:29:10.000 --> 0:29:14.760
<v Speaker 1>I have a daughter in the service in the army,

0:29:15.000 --> 0:29:18.240
<v Speaker 1>so many other people do, and it could be them.

0:29:18.640 --> 0:29:21.080
<v Speaker 1>It could be them. And he's right about that. Hey,

0:29:21.200 --> 0:29:23.560
<v Speaker 1>we've got time for one more. Let's talk to Joe

0:29:23.720 --> 0:29:26.320
<v Speaker 1>in Lexington. I got a couple of minutes.

0:29:26.120 --> 0:29:27.360
<v Speaker 2>Here, Joe. What you got.

0:29:28.920 --> 0:29:30.720
<v Speaker 3>Hey, Mike, Uh, you know, I just want to say

0:29:30.720 --> 0:29:32.640
<v Speaker 3>I like to take the fingerprints off Biden.

0:29:32.760 --> 0:29:34.120
<v Speaker 4>That narrative of Biden.

0:29:34.880 --> 0:29:38.560
<v Speaker 3>I wish we'd just say Obama because it lays solely

0:29:38.600 --> 0:29:44.240
<v Speaker 3>on Obama and and uh, you know, uh, the only

0:29:44.280 --> 0:29:48.240
<v Speaker 3>thing I could say is, uh, he changed the whole culture.

0:29:48.600 --> 0:29:51.760
<v Speaker 3>And you don't see Christians going around killing people, no,

0:29:52.200 --> 0:29:55.920
<v Speaker 3>like like like Islam. And if you know, and if

0:29:56.080 --> 0:29:59.360
<v Speaker 3>Christians get together, Conservatives get together anything, and they raise

0:29:59.440 --> 0:30:02.560
<v Speaker 3>any kind of focus and awareness about what's going on.

0:30:02.480 --> 0:30:04.040
<v Speaker 4>We're labeled radical.

0:30:04.320 --> 0:30:07.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, radical, you are so right, you are so And

0:30:07.720 --> 0:30:10.200
<v Speaker 1>guess what if they do it to me, which they've done,

0:30:10.600 --> 0:30:12.160
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna wear it as a badge of honor.

0:30:12.520 --> 0:30:14.320
<v Speaker 2>I don't care. I don't care.

0:30:15.320 --> 0:30:18.080
<v Speaker 3>Well well, yeah, And one thing that really ticks me

0:30:18.120 --> 0:30:20.280
<v Speaker 3>off about Islam as being woke up when I go

0:30:20.360 --> 0:30:23.080
<v Speaker 3>to Nairobi, but five o'clock born in prayer, I can't

0:30:23.080 --> 0:30:23.840
<v Speaker 3>even get sleep.

0:30:23.920 --> 0:30:26.920
<v Speaker 4>It's like an automatic, you know, alarm clock. You know,

0:30:26.960 --> 0:30:29.360
<v Speaker 4>they do it all loud speakers of the prayers.

0:30:31.080 --> 0:30:33.880
<v Speaker 3>But you know, just like Grisha. You know those children

0:30:33.960 --> 0:30:36.400
<v Speaker 3>have got killed in Kenya, you know about twelve fifteen

0:30:36.440 --> 0:30:37.920
<v Speaker 3>years ago, butchered.

0:30:37.440 --> 0:30:39.640
<v Speaker 4>And I mean the list goes on and on. We're

0:30:39.680 --> 0:30:40.240
<v Speaker 4>on time for that.

0:30:40.320 --> 0:30:43.120
<v Speaker 3>But all I'm saying is Obama's getting a free pass. Sure,

0:30:43.160 --> 0:30:46.040
<v Speaker 3>we talk about it, and we know the autopan, but

0:30:46.560 --> 0:30:50.320
<v Speaker 3>it's totally, totally, totally Obama has had twelve years in

0:30:51.040 --> 0:30:52.480
<v Speaker 3>the presidency twelve years.

0:30:52.640 --> 0:30:56.560
<v Speaker 1>It's a good point. I gotta let you go, Joe. Yeah,

0:30:56.920 --> 0:30:58.800
<v Speaker 1>thanks for the God, it's a very good point. And

0:30:58.840 --> 0:31:01.640
<v Speaker 1>a lot of people, a lot of people feel that way,

0:31:02.960 --> 0:31:06.960
<v Speaker 1>you know. And the relationship between those two, Obama and

0:31:07.040 --> 0:31:09.520
<v Speaker 1>Biden apparently has gone way way south.

0:31:10.120 --> 0:31:13.040
<v Speaker 2>And I get the distinct impression. And others have.

0:31:13.040 --> 0:31:18.080
<v Speaker 1>Said too that that Biden was envious of Obama, and

0:31:18.320 --> 0:31:20.360
<v Speaker 1>you know, I think that comes through loud and clear.

0:31:20.640 --> 0:31:22.440
<v Speaker 1>But the thing of it is, and I have to

0:31:22.440 --> 0:31:25.360
<v Speaker 1>get out of here in a second to think that

0:31:25.400 --> 0:31:30.080
<v Speaker 1>there were people that thought that that man could be

0:31:30.200 --> 0:31:33.280
<v Speaker 1>the president of the United States into the year twenty

0:31:33.360 --> 0:31:37.720
<v Speaker 1>twenty nine. They need to have their head examined. Can

0:31:37.760 --> 0:31:42.000
<v Speaker 1>you imagine as bad as Kamala would have been? I mean,

0:31:42.120 --> 0:31:45.320
<v Speaker 1>you know, well, and I'm pretty sure she probably would

0:31:45.360 --> 0:31:47.640
<v Speaker 1>have ended up being president. He wouldn't have made it

0:31:47.680 --> 0:31:51.080
<v Speaker 1>through his second term, God forbid he got one.

0:31:51.760 --> 0:31:52.400
<v Speaker 2>At any rate.

0:31:52.440 --> 0:31:54.000
<v Speaker 1>Hey, we do have to take a break for the news,

0:31:54.080 --> 0:31:56.400
<v Speaker 1>but when we come back, we're gonna switch gears a

0:31:56.400 --> 0:32:00.960
<v Speaker 1>little bit cheap. Tita saph Thigi of this sincey police Department.

0:32:01.280 --> 0:32:03.960
<v Speaker 1>In my humble opinion, a lot of other people was

0:32:04.040 --> 0:32:07.160
<v Speaker 1>made the scapegoat for the crime problem in this city

0:32:07.880 --> 0:32:11.560
<v Speaker 1>during the election season, and have a family member from

0:32:11.640 --> 0:32:16.400
<v Speaker 1>the Neville family, the premiere law enforcement family in this community,

0:32:16.720 --> 0:32:20.080
<v Speaker 1>wrote a great op ed this week in The Inquirer.

0:32:20.480 --> 0:32:22.600
<v Speaker 1>We're going to talk to that person. We get back

0:32:23.200 --> 0:32:32.120
<v Speaker 1>Mike Allen, Saturday Midday News Radio seven hundred WLW. Mike

0:32:32.160 --> 0:32:38.280
<v Speaker 1>Allen with our two of the Saturday midday program. Well,

0:32:38.320 --> 0:32:41.320
<v Speaker 1>you know what, you see a pattern a lot during

0:32:41.400 --> 0:32:45.960
<v Speaker 1>the silly season. Election time issues come up and they're

0:32:46.080 --> 0:32:50.000
<v Speaker 1>red hot during the election season, but then when the

0:32:50.040 --> 0:32:54.720
<v Speaker 1>election is held, sometimes they go away. Well, this is

0:32:54.840 --> 0:32:58.360
<v Speaker 1>one that is not going to go away, and I'll

0:32:58.360 --> 0:33:00.760
<v Speaker 1>do my level best to make sure that it doesn't.

0:33:00.840 --> 0:33:03.520
<v Speaker 1>And I know a lot of other people think that

0:33:03.640 --> 0:33:08.080
<v Speaker 1>as well. Talking of course about Cincinnati Police Chief Thiji

0:33:08.600 --> 0:33:13.080
<v Speaker 1>being the scapegoat for the crime problems downtown. She's now

0:33:13.120 --> 0:33:18.080
<v Speaker 1>on administrative leave. Why nobody seems to know She's got

0:33:18.120 --> 0:33:22.000
<v Speaker 1>a strong, strong family. As I said before, the Neville

0:33:22.000 --> 0:33:25.440
<v Speaker 1>family is in my opinion, at least, the premiere law

0:33:25.520 --> 0:33:30.400
<v Speaker 1>enforcement family in this area. But a member of that family,

0:33:30.680 --> 0:33:33.720
<v Speaker 1>Rob Neville, who is not a member of law enforcement,

0:33:34.200 --> 0:33:39.680
<v Speaker 1>wrote this week a great op ed piece basically headlined

0:33:40.040 --> 0:33:44.200
<v Speaker 1>police chief Fiji wasn't the problem, but city Hall made

0:33:44.240 --> 0:33:47.160
<v Speaker 1>her one. And boy, I'll tell you what, that nails

0:33:47.160 --> 0:33:49.960
<v Speaker 1>it right there talking about Rob Neville.

0:33:50.080 --> 0:33:55.160
<v Speaker 2>Rob, thanks so much for calling in this morning. Are

0:33:55.200 --> 0:33:55.600
<v Speaker 2>you there.

0:33:55.720 --> 0:33:56.880
<v Speaker 11>That's nice to be here with you.

0:33:57.120 --> 0:34:00.560
<v Speaker 1>Okay, Hey, you know what great op ed, Rob, And

0:34:00.680 --> 0:34:03.680
<v Speaker 1>I mean that kind of walk us through.

0:34:03.880 --> 0:34:05.400
<v Speaker 2>What you said in the op ed.

0:34:05.480 --> 0:34:08.680
<v Speaker 1>You got a great timeline and then follow it up

0:34:08.680 --> 0:34:13.000
<v Speaker 1>with some really good and relevant points about what's going

0:34:13.040 --> 0:34:16.040
<v Speaker 1>on in this city with respect to crime. So I'm

0:34:16.040 --> 0:34:18.040
<v Speaker 1>gonna turn it over for you to you for the

0:34:18.080 --> 0:34:20.680
<v Speaker 1>time being, just kind of lay it out for us.

0:34:21.520 --> 0:34:23.640
<v Speaker 11>Yeah, sort of thing. So I think, you know, I

0:34:24.160 --> 0:34:27.400
<v Speaker 11>do sort of have a unique perspective on this because

0:34:27.560 --> 0:34:29.279
<v Speaker 11>you know, like you said, I'm not somebody that's in

0:34:29.360 --> 0:34:32.960
<v Speaker 11>law enforcement. You know, my background is more finance.

0:34:33.480 --> 0:34:35.279
<v Speaker 4>You know, I'm a parent.

0:34:35.320 --> 0:34:39.560
<v Speaker 11>And you know, I'm a downtown professional. My fiance has

0:34:39.560 --> 0:34:42.759
<v Speaker 11>a business downtown. I have some friends that have businesses

0:34:42.880 --> 0:34:47.120
<v Speaker 11>and outr you know, so for me, crime is obviously

0:34:47.200 --> 0:34:49.640
<v Speaker 11>that is something that is important because you know, you

0:34:49.680 --> 0:34:52.840
<v Speaker 11>talk to business owners and you know obviously that impacts

0:34:52.840 --> 0:34:56.239
<v Speaker 11>the business and then I never really dove too deep

0:34:56.320 --> 0:34:58.719
<v Speaker 11>into it. I try, you know, I try not to

0:34:58.800 --> 0:35:01.960
<v Speaker 11>get too deep into politic just because you know, it's

0:35:01.960 --> 0:35:04.960
<v Speaker 11>just not my thing necessarily, So I tried to, you know,

0:35:05.280 --> 0:35:08.279
<v Speaker 11>I focus more on different different things in life, like

0:35:08.360 --> 0:35:11.719
<v Speaker 11>you know, sports and things like that. But then, you know,

0:35:11.800 --> 0:35:16.920
<v Speaker 11>once Terry was put on administrative lead by the city manager,

0:35:17.400 --> 0:35:19.760
<v Speaker 11>you know, I really started to dig into it. I'm like, okay,

0:35:19.960 --> 0:35:22.080
<v Speaker 11>I need to understand it's like what is going on here?

0:35:22.840 --> 0:35:26.160
<v Speaker 11>And then it really blew me away, like it really did.

0:35:26.239 --> 0:35:28.960
<v Speaker 11>It like struck me to the core when I started

0:35:28.960 --> 0:35:29.960
<v Speaker 11>digging into it.

0:35:30.239 --> 0:35:32.560
<v Speaker 4>And like you said, like the pattern.

0:35:32.320 --> 0:35:34.600
<v Speaker 11>The pattern to me just was so clear of like

0:35:35.280 --> 0:35:39.799
<v Speaker 11>the amount of people that had prior offenses that were

0:35:39.800 --> 0:35:43.239
<v Speaker 11>committing violent crimes. And you know, I went through it

0:35:43.280 --> 0:35:45.719
<v Speaker 11>in the op ed like Kyle Merrick, he was he

0:35:45.960 --> 0:35:48.839
<v Speaker 11>was he was fatally shot by fifteen year old with

0:35:49.120 --> 0:35:53.520
<v Speaker 11>sixteen charges. Laura Schuler was murdered by a man out

0:35:53.520 --> 0:35:56.760
<v Speaker 11>on bond for aggravated roberty cut off his ankle monitor

0:35:57.280 --> 0:35:59.239
<v Speaker 11>And then I think a lot of people in Cincinnati

0:35:59.239 --> 0:36:02.440
<v Speaker 11>are familiar with the Army veteran Patrick Herringer, who was

0:36:02.440 --> 0:36:04.319
<v Speaker 11>stabbed to death by a parole league who had cut

0:36:04.320 --> 0:36:07.279
<v Speaker 11>off the anchor monitor. And then really the one I

0:36:07.320 --> 0:36:10.319
<v Speaker 11>think that really shocked me to the core was when

0:36:10.320 --> 0:36:14.120
<v Speaker 11>I read about Shaquille Ferguson. And Shaquille Ferguson was the

0:36:14.640 --> 0:36:17.800
<v Speaker 11>person who allegedly, you know, shot at somebody getting downtown

0:36:17.840 --> 0:36:20.560
<v Speaker 11>on Fountain Square and then you read about it and

0:36:20.760 --> 0:36:23.160
<v Speaker 11>so you get into it and he was actually on

0:36:23.320 --> 0:36:28.680
<v Speaker 11>parole and he had pistol with somebody, knocked the guy's

0:36:28.719 --> 0:36:32.440
<v Speaker 11>teeth out and served zero jail time. And not just

0:36:32.480 --> 0:36:34.239
<v Speaker 11>that the guy that he knocked the teeth out of

0:36:34.680 --> 0:36:37.799
<v Speaker 11>was actually trying to stop him and his friends from

0:36:38.080 --> 0:36:40.719
<v Speaker 11>kicking an elderly woman on a metro bus. And it's

0:36:40.719 --> 0:36:43.520
<v Speaker 11>like you just like you read all of that and

0:36:43.560 --> 0:36:46.400
<v Speaker 11>you're just like wait, wait, what, like is that even possible?

0:36:46.480 --> 0:36:46.760
<v Speaker 4>Again?

0:36:46.840 --> 0:36:50.600
<v Speaker 11>You know, I'm not somebody that digs into like the crime,

0:36:50.800 --> 0:36:52.640
<v Speaker 11>and you read that and it just shocks you.

0:36:53.160 --> 0:36:54.960
<v Speaker 1>Well, you know what, rob let me, let me, let

0:36:54.960 --> 0:36:57.640
<v Speaker 1>me do this. We are pressed for time, but we

0:36:57.760 --> 0:37:00.680
<v Speaker 1>got plenty of time as now. But you end that

0:37:00.840 --> 0:37:04.279
<v Speaker 1>timeline with I mean, it's amazing. I'm just going to

0:37:04.360 --> 0:37:07.960
<v Speaker 1>read it as I write this seven individuals charged with

0:37:08.080 --> 0:37:12.120
<v Speaker 1>murder are free on bond in our city. Then you

0:37:12.200 --> 0:37:16.520
<v Speaker 1>go into an excellent summation, especially for someone who's not

0:37:16.680 --> 0:37:17.960
<v Speaker 1>law enforcement.

0:37:17.480 --> 0:37:19.920
<v Speaker 2>Of how the system fails.

0:37:20.239 --> 0:37:22.120
<v Speaker 1>Could you kind of pick it up at that point,

0:37:22.200 --> 0:37:25.759
<v Speaker 1>especially with respect to judicial unaccountability.

0:37:26.920 --> 0:37:28.800
<v Speaker 11>Yeah, And I think I think the thing that really

0:37:28.840 --> 0:37:30.840
<v Speaker 11>came through from me too is like what brought me

0:37:30.880 --> 0:37:33.399
<v Speaker 11>to all of this was my aunt being placed on leave,

0:37:33.560 --> 0:37:35.960
<v Speaker 11>right like a hold on. My aunt was trying to

0:37:35.960 --> 0:37:38.480
<v Speaker 11>bring these people together, like she identified this this year.

0:37:38.520 --> 0:37:40.440
<v Speaker 11>That's what blew me away, and that's what to me,

0:37:40.480 --> 0:37:42.960
<v Speaker 11>it almost felt like she was putting pressure on people

0:37:43.360 --> 0:37:46.040
<v Speaker 11>and trying to get the judges involved in, you know,

0:37:46.040 --> 0:37:48.840
<v Speaker 11>because ultimately they're the ones who are setting these bonds

0:37:49.239 --> 0:37:52.239
<v Speaker 11>and you know, determining whether or not somebody can walk

0:37:52.280 --> 0:37:55.200
<v Speaker 11>the streets again. And she was trying to she identified

0:37:55.200 --> 0:37:56.920
<v Speaker 11>this pattern, you know, like this is something that she

0:37:57.040 --> 0:37:59.879
<v Speaker 11>obviously is very close to. She saw this, she tried

0:37:59.880 --> 0:38:02.239
<v Speaker 11>to bring together all the all the leaders, you know,

0:38:02.400 --> 0:38:05.520
<v Speaker 11>like the Police Chiefs Association and some of the other

0:38:05.600 --> 0:38:08.200
<v Speaker 11>leaders that are you know, crime is. You got to

0:38:08.239 --> 0:38:10.080
<v Speaker 11>think of it as like a timeline, and there's a

0:38:10.080 --> 0:38:12.080
<v Speaker 11>lot of parts to it. So she's trying to bring

0:38:12.120 --> 0:38:14.520
<v Speaker 11>everybody together to say, hey, look, you know we're arresting

0:38:14.560 --> 0:38:17.919
<v Speaker 11>these people. You know what is going on here. Let's

0:38:17.960 --> 0:38:19.960
<v Speaker 11>try to fix the you know, the root cause.

0:38:19.800 --> 0:38:20.400
<v Speaker 4>Of this issue.

0:38:20.680 --> 0:38:22.719
<v Speaker 11>So to me, I think it does and this is

0:38:22.760 --> 0:38:24.839
<v Speaker 11>where the irony comes in. So she brought all those

0:38:24.840 --> 0:38:27.919
<v Speaker 11>people together, and then the judicial, you know, the Quarter

0:38:27.960 --> 0:38:30.520
<v Speaker 11>common Please, said oh, sorry, we can't join that meeting.

0:38:30.960 --> 0:38:34.759
<v Speaker 11>You know, that could violate our independence. But in that

0:38:34.800 --> 0:38:37.280
<v Speaker 11>same vein, then they will say, oh, by the way,

0:38:37.520 --> 0:38:41.880
<v Speaker 11>we we welcome public criticism. You know, we believe in transparency,

0:38:42.280 --> 0:38:45.640
<v Speaker 11>we believe in accountability. It's like, okay, then then who

0:38:45.680 --> 0:38:48.279
<v Speaker 11>are you accountable to? You know, if you won't join

0:38:48.320 --> 0:38:50.919
<v Speaker 11>these meetings, you won't have these discussions. I just feel

0:38:50.920 --> 0:38:53.759
<v Speaker 11>like the judges are hiding, and that's why that the

0:38:53.760 --> 0:38:56.600
<v Speaker 11>politicians had to escape Poetary because like, oh wait, wait,

0:38:56.600 --> 0:38:58.640
<v Speaker 11>we can't go to the judges kind to put the

0:38:58.680 --> 0:39:01.799
<v Speaker 11>spot right there, right because you're gonna find somebody else

0:39:01.800 --> 0:39:04.240
<v Speaker 11>to put the spotlight on. And it's just the irony

0:39:04.280 --> 0:39:06.040
<v Speaker 11>of it. I think that's what's so frustrating, is like

0:39:06.280 --> 0:39:09.040
<v Speaker 11>our city is led by people at the end of

0:39:09.120 --> 0:39:12.520
<v Speaker 11>the day are incompetent. You know, it's a little bit frustrating.

0:39:12.520 --> 0:39:14.719
<v Speaker 11>It's like, you expect these leaders of our city to

0:39:14.760 --> 0:39:17.160
<v Speaker 11>be able to care for our safety, and it's like

0:39:17.360 --> 0:39:20.359
<v Speaker 11>they're doing a complete opposite. They're taking out somebody who

0:39:20.440 --> 0:39:23.120
<v Speaker 11>has the most power, the most knowledge, the most experience

0:39:23.360 --> 0:39:25.719
<v Speaker 11>to be able to solve the problem, bring the people together, and.

0:39:26.160 --> 0:39:30.799
<v Speaker 1>Someone with an unvarnished record. You know, it makes no

0:39:30.840 --> 0:39:31.440
<v Speaker 1>sense to me.

0:39:32.920 --> 0:39:35.879
<v Speaker 11>Yeah, no, me either. And you know, and like you said,

0:39:35.880 --> 0:39:37.160
<v Speaker 11>we don't have a ton of time, so I do

0:39:37.800 --> 0:39:40.279
<v Speaker 11>want to get into you know, there is a potential,

0:39:41.640 --> 0:39:44.240
<v Speaker 11>you know, way that this could be improved, and people

0:39:44.280 --> 0:39:47.200
<v Speaker 11>have done it before. It's the if any of your

0:39:47.280 --> 0:39:50.800
<v Speaker 11>links listeners are interested there you can look at Harris County,

0:39:50.880 --> 0:39:55.920
<v Speaker 11>Texas put together. It's a dashboard where all of the sentences,

0:39:55.960 --> 0:39:58.600
<v Speaker 11>all the bonds. Like yeah, you're gonna have a dashboard

0:39:58.680 --> 0:40:01.520
<v Speaker 11>right now that says bo crimes committed while dependant on

0:40:01.640 --> 0:40:03.919
<v Speaker 11>bond for one plus fello in the episode by Court.

0:40:04.280 --> 0:40:06.320
<v Speaker 11>Do you can see visually?

0:40:06.440 --> 0:40:06.920
<v Speaker 4>Okay?

0:40:07.120 --> 0:40:10.080
<v Speaker 11>You know, like for example, that thought experiment here is

0:40:10.120 --> 0:40:12.480
<v Speaker 11>what if I told you that in Hamilton County eighty

0:40:12.520 --> 0:40:16.120
<v Speaker 11>percent of the violent criminals that are repeat offenders were

0:40:16.440 --> 0:40:19.280
<v Speaker 11>let out on low bond by ex judge.

0:40:19.520 --> 0:40:21.360
<v Speaker 2>What if I told you that, well, I'll tell you

0:40:21.400 --> 0:40:21.880
<v Speaker 2>what that'd be.

0:40:22.040 --> 0:40:22.239
<v Speaker 11>Wow.

0:40:22.760 --> 0:40:25.880
<v Speaker 1>In Ohio, obviously, you know, we elect our judges, and

0:40:26.400 --> 0:40:31.080
<v Speaker 1>that is exactly the information that citizens need to have

0:40:31.239 --> 0:40:33.440
<v Speaker 1>before they vote.

0:40:34.080 --> 0:40:36.080
<v Speaker 11>And then you get into it. Something else that is

0:40:36.160 --> 0:40:39.680
<v Speaker 11>really crazy about this situation is very timely is ThunderMan.

0:40:40.239 --> 0:40:45.360
<v Speaker 11>She lost by two hundred most roughly two hundred. That's crazy, crazy,

0:40:45.400 --> 0:40:48.240
<v Speaker 11>slim margin, right, But she was somebody who was actually

0:40:48.239 --> 0:40:52.160
<v Speaker 11>speaking out against this great judging a Facebook post by

0:40:52.200 --> 0:40:55.719
<v Speaker 11>Sarah Herringer and she said, in this entire process, you know,

0:40:56.200 --> 0:40:58.759
<v Speaker 11>the two names that I can tell you. She was

0:40:58.760 --> 0:41:00.960
<v Speaker 11>working with my aunt on some legislation to be able

0:41:01.000 --> 0:41:03.040
<v Speaker 11>to fix some of this, you know, the stuff with

0:41:03.120 --> 0:41:06.440
<v Speaker 11>cutting off the hun com owners. But she said, Smitherman

0:41:06.840 --> 0:41:09.120
<v Speaker 11>and Sunderman are two names that I can tell you

0:41:09.120 --> 0:41:12.040
<v Speaker 11>are look at this clear eye, ye, and then you,

0:41:12.120 --> 0:41:13.840
<v Speaker 11>I mean, you find out that she was one that

0:41:13.920 --> 0:41:16.280
<v Speaker 11>lost by two hundred votes. It's like, what if Sunderman

0:41:17.080 --> 0:41:18.880
<v Speaker 11>was the best out of all these judges and not

0:41:18.920 --> 0:41:22.399
<v Speaker 11>having repeat violent offenders on the streets. Nobody knows it's

0:41:22.400 --> 0:41:24.759
<v Speaker 11>like we have this system that is broken, you have

0:41:24.880 --> 0:41:27.279
<v Speaker 11>no information available. I'm a finance guy, I like you

0:41:27.400 --> 0:41:29.759
<v Speaker 11>Dasbard the information. If I'm a voter, I want to

0:41:29.760 --> 0:41:32.520
<v Speaker 11>know who's putting viral criminals back on the street, right,

0:41:32.600 --> 0:41:33.759
<v Speaker 11>like we deserve to know that.

0:41:33.960 --> 0:41:35.279
<v Speaker 9>You know, you could have this.

0:41:37.080 --> 0:41:39.800
<v Speaker 1>I couldn't agree with you more, Rob, I mean, what'd

0:41:39.800 --> 0:41:42.719
<v Speaker 1>you think? And I know you're not an FOP member,

0:41:42.760 --> 0:41:44.960
<v Speaker 1>but well, that'd be a good job for the FOP.

0:41:45.160 --> 0:41:47.960
<v Speaker 1>And don't get me wrong, they do wonderful work. But

0:41:48.400 --> 0:41:50.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to check out that Harris County thing you

0:41:50.480 --> 0:41:53.920
<v Speaker 1>were talking about because that's exactly what voters need to know,

0:41:56.280 --> 0:41:56.799
<v Speaker 1>and I think the.

0:41:56.800 --> 0:41:58.799
<v Speaker 11>FOP would fully support this. I think it's one of

0:41:58.800 --> 0:42:01.200
<v Speaker 11>those things where you know, it's maybe it's it's a

0:42:01.239 --> 0:42:05.319
<v Speaker 11>little bit like, you know, esoteric in a way, so

0:42:05.680 --> 0:42:09.080
<v Speaker 11>not everybody is necessarily see this. I think it's a

0:42:09.120 --> 0:42:11.359
<v Speaker 11>relatively recent problem. I was talking to Terry a little

0:42:11.400 --> 0:42:13.760
<v Speaker 11>bit and she said, you know, the chief of police

0:42:13.760 --> 0:42:16.239
<v Speaker 11>in Indianapolis they're having similar issues. So I don't know

0:42:16.280 --> 0:42:19.120
<v Speaker 11>if this is more of a nuanced news thing, But

0:42:19.320 --> 0:42:21.960
<v Speaker 11>I mean, who wouldn't love to have access to all

0:42:21.960 --> 0:42:24.040
<v Speaker 11>of this information. I think some of the you know,

0:42:24.239 --> 0:42:26.120
<v Speaker 11>if you think about it, if you're a business leader,

0:42:26.160 --> 0:42:28.400
<v Speaker 11>this is something that I could see you being very supportive.

0:42:28.480 --> 0:42:31.720
<v Speaker 11>If you have a business downtown, crime is incredibly important

0:42:31.719 --> 0:42:35.160
<v Speaker 11>to your abilities. Yeah, think about the you know, think

0:42:35.160 --> 0:42:37.560
<v Speaker 11>about the reds, the bangles that see Cincinnati. You don't

0:42:37.560 --> 0:42:40.160
<v Speaker 11>want your fans being worried about crime, right. So it's

0:42:40.239 --> 0:42:43.200
<v Speaker 11>like the business leaders could easily come together and you

0:42:43.200 --> 0:42:46.000
<v Speaker 11>could do a partnership with the University of Cincinnati to help,

0:42:46.120 --> 0:42:48.560
<v Speaker 11>you know, put some of this data together. All it takes,

0:42:48.600 --> 0:42:50.560
<v Speaker 11>I think at the end of the day, is the

0:42:50.640 --> 0:42:54.480
<v Speaker 11>leaders having the you know, the motivation, I guess the information,

0:42:54.680 --> 0:42:57.919
<v Speaker 11>and then people really taking this like okay, let's call

0:42:57.960 --> 0:43:00.600
<v Speaker 11>you at your word, Hamlichotonic quartercom of Police. If you

0:43:00.719 --> 0:43:05.799
<v Speaker 11>believe in public criticism, accountability and transparency, explain to us

0:43:05.840 --> 0:43:08.320
<v Speaker 11>why that we should not have access to all this information.

0:43:08.840 --> 0:43:12.120
<v Speaker 11>Right as citizens, we deserve this information. I can't see

0:43:12.160 --> 0:43:15.040
<v Speaker 11>a world where anybody would be against this unless they

0:43:15.080 --> 0:43:15.560
<v Speaker 11>were trying to.

0:43:15.600 --> 0:43:17.600
<v Speaker 2>Hot exactly exactly. And you know what.

0:43:17.640 --> 0:43:22.080
<v Speaker 1>The information is somewhat available through the Clerk of Courts website,

0:43:22.160 --> 0:43:26.280
<v Speaker 1>which is excellent with respect to you know, the situation

0:43:26.400 --> 0:43:28.960
<v Speaker 1>with who got convicted of what that kind of thing.

0:43:29.160 --> 0:43:34.080
<v Speaker 1>But it's just an impossible task because it's everywhere. Somebody

0:43:34.120 --> 0:43:37.000
<v Speaker 1>needs to condense it. And I think that's what you're

0:43:37.040 --> 0:43:38.760
<v Speaker 1>talking about, and I think that's what we need.

0:43:40.160 --> 0:43:42.160
<v Speaker 11>Yeah, a lot of it is pen and paper, like

0:43:42.200 --> 0:43:44.680
<v Speaker 11>you would have to go down there. I have the documents.

0:43:44.719 --> 0:43:47.360
<v Speaker 11>There's no data that's available at your fingertips. You know.

0:43:47.360 --> 0:43:49.799
<v Speaker 11>If you're investigative journalist, you know, you can look at

0:43:49.800 --> 0:43:52.040
<v Speaker 11>these trends and you can do a lot of you know,

0:43:52.200 --> 0:43:54.799
<v Speaker 11>different slices and dices of the data. And I think

0:43:54.840 --> 0:43:57.040
<v Speaker 11>one other thing I do want to mention is if

0:43:57.040 --> 0:44:00.719
<v Speaker 11>you think about this, think about the asymmetry in you know,

0:44:00.760 --> 0:44:04.640
<v Speaker 11>the expectations for the police officers to have body cameras

0:44:04.640 --> 0:44:08.360
<v Speaker 11>that follow their every single meeting, right and the transparency

0:44:08.360 --> 0:44:11.120
<v Speaker 11>we expect from the police officers. And then you think

0:44:11.160 --> 0:44:14.000
<v Speaker 11>about that in contrast with the judges. It's like nobody

0:44:14.000 --> 0:44:16.080
<v Speaker 11>really understands what's going on down there because we don't

0:44:16.120 --> 0:44:18.680
<v Speaker 11>have access to the information. It's it's like I think

0:44:18.680 --> 0:44:20.840
<v Speaker 11>that somebody, you know it needs to call out the

0:44:20.880 --> 0:44:23.640
<v Speaker 11>asymmetry there. And it is funny because I do remember

0:44:23.640 --> 0:44:26.880
<v Speaker 11>my aunt one time just seeing a video clip on

0:44:26.880 --> 0:44:29.239
<v Speaker 11>one of the news and they were at a like

0:44:29.320 --> 0:44:32.840
<v Speaker 11>a crash and an officer had been involved in a crash,

0:44:33.160 --> 0:44:35.440
<v Speaker 11>and the news is asking questions about the other person's

0:44:35.440 --> 0:44:37.640
<v Speaker 11>in crash, and then before the interview wrapped up, my

0:44:37.640 --> 0:44:41.360
<v Speaker 11>aunt goes and just so everybody knows, the police officer's okay,

0:44:41.480 --> 0:44:43.000
<v Speaker 11>I know you guys don't ever ask that, you know,

0:44:43.080 --> 0:44:45.400
<v Speaker 11>And that to me is just the type of person

0:44:45.440 --> 0:44:47.359
<v Speaker 11>that she is, as the type of leader that she is,

0:44:47.480 --> 0:44:50.520
<v Speaker 11>and I think, you know, we need other leaders to

0:44:50.640 --> 0:44:53.000
<v Speaker 11>voice this, to bring this up to you know, the

0:44:53.000 --> 0:44:56.560
<v Speaker 11>public kind of awareness. It's like, we should expect the

0:44:56.560 --> 0:45:00.239
<v Speaker 11>same transparency of our judges and the judicial system as

0:45:00.239 --> 0:45:01.760
<v Speaker 11>we expect from our police officers.

0:45:02.040 --> 0:45:03.080
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, that's right.

0:45:03.120 --> 0:45:04.880
<v Speaker 1>If you're going to elect them, you ought to be

0:45:04.920 --> 0:45:07.000
<v Speaker 1>able to without a hell of a lot of work

0:45:07.160 --> 0:45:10.279
<v Speaker 1>on your own, know what their record is on sentencing,

0:45:10.640 --> 0:45:13.440
<v Speaker 1>on bonds and things like that. And you know what,

0:45:13.520 --> 0:45:16.720
<v Speaker 1>I think that's just sitting there rob waiting for somebody

0:45:16.719 --> 0:45:19.640
<v Speaker 1>to take the bull by the horns on it.

0:45:20.719 --> 0:45:23.120
<v Speaker 11>I really think about the you know, think about the

0:45:23.120 --> 0:45:26.080
<v Speaker 11>news organizations that could take this right, Like, who doesn't

0:45:26.120 --> 0:45:29.399
<v Speaker 11>want more access to information? And again it goes back

0:45:29.440 --> 0:45:32.319
<v Speaker 11>to like we can improve. I think sometimes it can

0:45:32.400 --> 0:45:34.880
<v Speaker 11>get lost on people because there's just so much information

0:45:34.960 --> 0:45:38.719
<v Speaker 11>in today's society. Sure, you know, you do have the

0:45:38.760 --> 0:45:41.160
<v Speaker 11>ability if you're somebody out there that's listening and your

0:45:41.239 --> 0:45:43.960
<v Speaker 11>business member, you're part of some of these committees. You know,

0:45:44.600 --> 0:45:46.879
<v Speaker 11>if you're somebody who was in a community that has

0:45:46.920 --> 0:45:50.320
<v Speaker 11>had violent crime, repeat offenders, right like, you have a

0:45:50.400 --> 0:45:52.520
<v Speaker 11>voice in this. You know, our family went down to

0:45:53.520 --> 0:45:56.520
<v Speaker 11>the town hall meeting on Tuesday, open form. Anybody can

0:45:56.560 --> 0:45:59.200
<v Speaker 11>go down there demand this of your city council members.

0:45:59.320 --> 0:46:01.840
<v Speaker 11>They might not the ones to actually enacted, but then

0:46:02.160 --> 0:46:04.480
<v Speaker 11>they can put you, you know, with the right people,

0:46:04.520 --> 0:46:07.319
<v Speaker 11>they can actually begin to create some momentum behind this.

0:46:07.440 --> 0:46:10.120
<v Speaker 11>They can make this happen. You know. So I think

0:46:10.120 --> 0:46:14.200
<v Speaker 11>that the individual should feel more empowered than they might realize. Again,

0:46:14.440 --> 0:46:16.560
<v Speaker 11>two hundred votes that it came down to in front

0:46:16.560 --> 0:46:19.680
<v Speaker 11>of them. This is Cincinnati. We're not talking about global politics.

0:46:19.760 --> 0:46:23.560
<v Speaker 11>We're talking about Cincinnati, your community. You have a boys

0:46:23.760 --> 0:46:26.360
<v Speaker 11>you can make a difference, like anybody out there. You know,

0:46:26.440 --> 0:46:30.040
<v Speaker 11>if I'm a business leader downtown, you know, one think

0:46:30.040 --> 0:46:33.040
<v Speaker 11>about the public companies. Right, if I'm Kroger p and

0:46:33.120 --> 0:46:35.920
<v Speaker 11>G if I'm Great American, Hey, do I want my

0:46:35.960 --> 0:46:39.640
<v Speaker 11>employees walking around downtown in an area where there could

0:46:39.680 --> 0:46:43.040
<v Speaker 11>be a murderer walking next to them? No, I don't

0:46:43.080 --> 0:46:46.920
<v Speaker 11>write like you are responsible for the safety of your people.

0:46:47.040 --> 0:46:50.560
<v Speaker 11>You want to have, you know, a society where we

0:46:50.560 --> 0:46:52.040
<v Speaker 11>can feel safe walking around.

0:46:52.400 --> 0:46:55.400
<v Speaker 1>Well, you know what, And unfortunately we're almost out of time.

0:46:55.520 --> 0:46:59.000
<v Speaker 1>Got a couple minutes, but this is such a good

0:46:59.000 --> 0:47:01.960
<v Speaker 1>op ed. But another sentence that stood out to me.

0:47:02.040 --> 0:47:06.240
<v Speaker 1>And you talk about what we've just been talking about, accountability,

0:47:06.440 --> 0:47:11.279
<v Speaker 1>and you say, imagine firefighters repeatedly extinguishing fires in a

0:47:11.280 --> 0:47:15.719
<v Speaker 1>building while someone keeps setting new ones. Cincinnati police are

0:47:15.760 --> 0:47:19.920
<v Speaker 1>putting out the fires, but the arsonists keep being released.

0:47:20.560 --> 0:47:24.640
<v Speaker 1>I mean that says it so well. That's a perfect example.

0:47:25.920 --> 0:47:28.280
<v Speaker 11>Yeah, And I think you know what that analogy actually

0:47:28.360 --> 0:47:33.000
<v Speaker 11>highlights as well, is the severity of the problem that

0:47:33.000 --> 0:47:36.040
<v Speaker 11>we're dealing with, right yep, like a fire, this is

0:47:36.080 --> 0:47:39.919
<v Speaker 11>a fire, right Like people are out there committing murders,

0:47:40.320 --> 0:47:44.160
<v Speaker 11>they killing people. But this is not you know, just

0:47:44.480 --> 0:47:47.520
<v Speaker 11>like this is not some everyday mundane tasks like the

0:47:47.560 --> 0:47:52.480
<v Speaker 11>weight in the gravity of these decisions by the court

0:47:52.680 --> 0:47:56.560
<v Speaker 11>and the judges cannot be understated, right like this is,

0:47:56.800 --> 0:47:57.239
<v Speaker 11>this is.

0:47:59.080 --> 0:47:59.760
<v Speaker 2>And you can't.

0:48:00.800 --> 0:48:05.360
<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, you can't overstate that, Rob, you really can't.

0:48:06.200 --> 0:48:08.239
<v Speaker 1>Got about a minute if you want to sum up,

0:48:08.440 --> 0:48:10.840
<v Speaker 1>And again, I would urge people to go to the

0:48:10.840 --> 0:48:13.520
<v Speaker 1>Inquirer's website and read this because it's a very good

0:48:13.560 --> 0:48:13.960
<v Speaker 1>op ed.

0:48:15.320 --> 0:48:15.560
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:48:15.680 --> 0:48:17.600
<v Speaker 11>Yeah, And you know, one thing I do want to say,

0:48:17.719 --> 0:48:19.840
<v Speaker 11>just as we wrap up is, you know, I was

0:48:19.840 --> 0:48:22.520
<v Speaker 11>talking to Terry yesterday and it's you know, it's unfortunate

0:48:22.560 --> 0:48:26.160
<v Speaker 11>what happened to her. I think that it's incredibly disgraceful.

0:48:26.280 --> 0:48:30.560
<v Speaker 11>What city leaders did. You know, There's so many things

0:48:30.560 --> 0:48:32.480
<v Speaker 11>about that that were just wrong in the way they

0:48:32.480 --> 0:48:32.839
<v Speaker 11>did it.

0:48:33.280 --> 0:48:33.480
<v Speaker 4>You know.

0:48:33.560 --> 0:48:36.960
<v Speaker 11>I think that they deserve to apologize to her when

0:48:36.960 --> 0:48:38.600
<v Speaker 11>this is all said and done, and I hope that's

0:48:38.600 --> 0:48:41.759
<v Speaker 11>done publicly. But one one other thing that I do

0:48:41.960 --> 0:48:44.080
<v Speaker 11>just kind of want to want to say, you.

0:48:44.000 --> 0:48:44.840
<v Speaker 2>Got to do it quickly.

0:48:45.680 --> 0:48:47.759
<v Speaker 11>Yeah, So this could be Terry's legacy, Like, at the

0:48:47.800 --> 0:48:49.680
<v Speaker 11>end of the day, if you can get something like

0:48:49.719 --> 0:48:53.319
<v Speaker 11>this judicial accountability and this oversight and transparency, that could

0:48:53.320 --> 0:48:58.880
<v Speaker 11>be her lifelong legacy. That really that it's meaningful.

0:48:58.520 --> 0:49:00.239
<v Speaker 1>At the end of the day, I agree. Well, I

0:49:00.320 --> 0:49:02.919
<v Speaker 1>tell you what, I sure appreciate you calling in. This

0:49:03.080 --> 0:49:05.840
<v Speaker 1>is a great op ed piece, and I'm going to

0:49:05.880 --> 0:49:09.239
<v Speaker 1>continue to follow the story and again I really appreciates

0:49:09.280 --> 0:49:09.840
<v Speaker 1>your point.

0:49:09.680 --> 0:49:10.279
<v Speaker 2>Of view on it.

0:49:11.440 --> 0:49:12.279
<v Speaker 11>Yeah, I appreciate it.

0:49:12.320 --> 0:49:13.160
<v Speaker 4>Thank you very much much.

0:49:13.160 --> 0:49:14.000
<v Speaker 2>Okay, thanks Rob.

0:49:14.960 --> 0:49:17.279
<v Speaker 1>You know, for a guy that's not in law enforce man,

0:49:17.360 --> 0:49:20.959
<v Speaker 1>he absolutely nails it. It really is a great op

0:49:21.120 --> 0:49:23.680
<v Speaker 1>ed piece. And you know, it's like I said in

0:49:23.760 --> 0:49:27.200
<v Speaker 1>the intro to this thing. During election time, you hear

0:49:27.280 --> 0:49:31.000
<v Speaker 1>all about it. Then election goes by and you don't

0:49:31.000 --> 0:49:33.719
<v Speaker 1>hear much at all. And you know, in this in

0:49:33.760 --> 0:49:36.799
<v Speaker 1>this state, we elect our judges, So people ought to

0:49:36.840 --> 0:49:40.320
<v Speaker 1>be able to have that information because what he's saying

0:49:40.400 --> 0:49:42.719
<v Speaker 1>in this thing is absolutely right. Hey, we got to

0:49:42.760 --> 0:49:44.719
<v Speaker 1>take a break button. When we get back, we are

0:49:44.760 --> 0:49:47.799
<v Speaker 1>going to talk to our legal analyst, one of our

0:49:47.880 --> 0:49:51.600
<v Speaker 1>legal analysts, James Bogan, once again with a story of

0:49:52.239 --> 0:49:56.640
<v Speaker 1>biological men pretending to be women. You're going to love

0:49:56.680 --> 0:50:00.440
<v Speaker 1>to hear this one what this sport is. And then second,

0:50:01.280 --> 0:50:06.759
<v Speaker 1>the University of are you ready Minnesota now has a

0:50:06.880 --> 0:50:12.200
<v Speaker 1>course or they're talking about the whiteness pandemic, and we're

0:50:12.200 --> 0:50:14.399
<v Speaker 1>gonna talk to James about that when we get back.

0:50:14.760 --> 0:50:18.760
<v Speaker 1>Mike Allen, Saturday Midday, thirty seven News Radio seven hundred

0:50:18.800 --> 0:50:23.520
<v Speaker 1>WLW Mike Allen Saturday Midday. Well, I'll tell you what,

0:50:24.160 --> 0:50:29.759
<v Speaker 1>yet another example of a biological man pretending to be

0:50:30.120 --> 0:50:34.440
<v Speaker 1>a woman. This one is a little bit different just

0:50:34.480 --> 0:50:35.480
<v Speaker 1>because of the sport.

0:50:35.520 --> 0:50:36.880
<v Speaker 2>And I guess it's a sport.

0:50:36.960 --> 0:50:39.560
<v Speaker 1>But let's talk to the guy who keeps track of

0:50:39.600 --> 0:50:43.840
<v Speaker 1>these things for us, talking about Attorney James Bogan. James

0:50:43.920 --> 0:50:49.760
<v Speaker 1>has a wonderful, wonderful podcast and again I forget the name, James.

0:50:49.760 --> 0:50:50.520
<v Speaker 2>Could you help me.

0:50:50.480 --> 0:50:52.520
<v Speaker 10>Out past the clock?

0:50:52.880 --> 0:50:55.040
<v Speaker 1>Okay, you know what when you get to be my

0:50:55.160 --> 0:50:59.279
<v Speaker 1>age at stuff, But sorry about that anyway, tell us

0:50:59.320 --> 0:51:04.400
<v Speaker 1>about the official strong Man Games. But before you do that, James,

0:51:04.600 --> 0:51:07.959
<v Speaker 1>I have just a very brief clip of a guy

0:51:08.000 --> 0:51:12.359
<v Speaker 1>by the name of Jamie Booker. Who's who's the man

0:51:12.400 --> 0:51:15.040
<v Speaker 1>pretending to be a biological woman? Could you play that

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<v Speaker 1>just a little bit of it?

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<v Speaker 2>Please?

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<v Speaker 11>Liam my coach obviously and asked women and it was

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<v Speaker 11>an honor just to even share.

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<v Speaker 1>The scene review, you know, said, I just wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>give you a flavor for it, James, could you pick

0:51:32.080 --> 0:51:34.680
<v Speaker 1>it up and tell us what this is all about.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, this individual Janie Booker came out of nowhere and

0:51:41.160 --> 0:51:45.560
<v Speaker 8>dominated the women's open class at the official strong Well,

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<v Speaker 8>can I ask you.

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<v Speaker 1>What these strong Man Games are? Tell us about that,

0:51:48.960 --> 0:51:49.560
<v Speaker 1>because I have.

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<v Speaker 8>Heard it's a premier event for in strength athletics.

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<v Speaker 10>It's actually a very big organization.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh.

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<v Speaker 8>This isn't like power conventional power lifting or Olympic weightlifting.

0:52:03.719 --> 0:52:07.080
<v Speaker 4>This is where they'll do uh.

0:52:07.239 --> 0:52:13.719
<v Speaker 8>Lifts and tests like log presses, farmers walks, Well, the

0:52:13.719 --> 0:52:17.759
<v Speaker 8>farmers walks, they pick up a very large amount of

0:52:17.800 --> 0:52:23.600
<v Speaker 8>weight and carry it one hundred feet with a sixty

0:52:23.640 --> 0:52:24.840
<v Speaker 8>second time limit.

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<v Speaker 4>Women do it.

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<v Speaker 8>Women do this with around two hundred and twenty five

0:52:28.760 --> 0:52:34.080
<v Speaker 8>pounds and in the open division, and you know log presses,

0:52:34.719 --> 0:52:38.080
<v Speaker 8>they'll with the open division they do it with two

0:52:38.200 --> 0:52:42.080
<v Speaker 8>hundred and fifty pounds, where it's basically a big log.

0:52:43.400 --> 0:52:44.560
<v Speaker 4>You know it's it's not.

0:52:44.560 --> 0:52:47.560
<v Speaker 8>An actual cut log, it's you know, a shaped log

0:52:47.880 --> 0:52:51.560
<v Speaker 8>with big handles where you power clean it and press

0:52:51.560 --> 0:52:53.920
<v Speaker 8>it up for as many reps as you can. And

0:52:54.000 --> 0:52:57.319
<v Speaker 8>with the women's open keg or they do it with

0:52:58.280 --> 0:53:03.480
<v Speaker 8>up to two hundred and fifty pounds and basically this

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<v Speaker 8>was their world championships and you have over four hundred

0:53:08.840 --> 0:53:13.160
<v Speaker 8>male and female athletes from over forty countries. And the

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<v Speaker 8>reason why this is a big deal with women is

0:53:16.160 --> 0:53:19.240
<v Speaker 8>that there's definitely there's actually quite a bit of money

0:53:19.280 --> 0:53:22.319
<v Speaker 8>in it for prize money and then plus you get

0:53:22.400 --> 0:53:27.080
<v Speaker 8>sponsorships boosting credentials to attract clients as a trainer. So

0:53:27.440 --> 0:53:33.279
<v Speaker 8>this isn't just some amateur competition where if you lose, okay,

0:53:33.719 --> 0:53:38.919
<v Speaker 8>no big deal. There's actually potential livelihoods on the line here.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I got you, you know in what you sent

0:53:42.000 --> 0:53:45.680
<v Speaker 1>me talking about Jamie Booker. We just heard from him

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<v Speaker 1>her she is about four inches taller and eighty pounds

0:53:51.440 --> 0:53:55.560
<v Speaker 1>heavier than the closest competitor. I think you would have

0:53:55.680 --> 0:53:57.719
<v Speaker 1>to say that's not real fair, wouldn't you say?

0:53:58.280 --> 0:54:04.640
<v Speaker 8>Yeah? Jamie Booker listed six five four hundred pounds and

0:54:04.719 --> 0:54:07.200
<v Speaker 8>now the that was just the nearest person as far

0:54:07.200 --> 0:54:10.200
<v Speaker 8>as weight. The one runner of Andrea Thompson from who's

0:54:10.239 --> 0:54:14.279
<v Speaker 8>from England. She is five five to two hundred and

0:54:14.320 --> 0:54:19.879
<v Speaker 8>sixty five pounds. And just to illustrate size, there's that

0:54:20.000 --> 0:54:27.240
<v Speaker 8>famous former men's champion Eddie Hall. He's quite the Internet

0:54:27.280 --> 0:54:31.480
<v Speaker 8>personality now. He was sixty two, three hundred and fifty

0:54:31.560 --> 0:54:34.200
<v Speaker 8>nine pounds at the time of his peak. But again,

0:54:34.239 --> 0:54:36.360
<v Speaker 8>don't let the height and weight fool you. I've discussed

0:54:36.400 --> 0:54:39.840
<v Speaker 8>that in other shows with You, episodes with You where

0:54:40.600 --> 0:54:45.120
<v Speaker 8>he trust me. Eddie Hall can lift exponentially more than

0:54:45.160 --> 0:54:49.360
<v Speaker 8>these two. But anyway, what happened with Jamie Booker is

0:54:50.000 --> 0:54:53.279
<v Speaker 8>Booker just came out of nowhere, entered the strong woman

0:54:53.400 --> 0:55:01.040
<v Speaker 8>competition and dominated, and just came out of nowhere and.

0:55:00.320 --> 0:55:00.960
<v Speaker 4>As a woman.

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<v Speaker 8>And while the Official Strongman Games organizers have a rules

0:55:07.560 --> 0:55:10.600
<v Speaker 8>about that where you can only participate in your gender,

0:55:11.400 --> 0:55:15.399
<v Speaker 8>Booker basically tried to pull the rug over their eyes

0:55:15.440 --> 0:55:19.040
<v Speaker 8>on this one. And what happened is after the competition

0:55:19.239 --> 0:55:23.600
<v Speaker 8>a number of competit female competitors sent the organizers some

0:55:24.200 --> 0:55:30.879
<v Speaker 8>house I say, videos from Booker's prior online career, pornographic

0:55:31.000 --> 0:55:36.400
<v Speaker 8>stuff that verily clearly showed that Booker is a man.

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<v Speaker 2>Why how did it get that far? James?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, wouldn't they have to submit to blood tests

0:55:42.160 --> 0:55:43.400
<v Speaker 1>and things like that.

0:55:43.640 --> 0:55:44.080
<v Speaker 4>They don't.

0:55:44.160 --> 0:55:47.320
<v Speaker 8>They don't seem to have that with official Strongman games.

0:55:47.360 --> 0:55:50.000
<v Speaker 8>But I'm sure they're putting they're looking at putting more

0:55:50.040 --> 0:55:52.439
<v Speaker 8>safeguards in place now, because right when they found out

0:55:52.480 --> 0:55:59.200
<v Speaker 8>about it, they disqualified Booker and resorted the placement places accordingly.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so it sounds like maybe, at least with respect

0:56:03.280 --> 0:56:07.840
<v Speaker 1>to this particular sport, if you will, it's case closed.

0:56:07.840 --> 0:56:08.680
<v Speaker 2>They cleaned it up.

0:56:10.120 --> 0:56:12.000
<v Speaker 12>Yeah, they looks like that.

0:56:12.080 --> 0:56:14.359
<v Speaker 8>I mean, they can't swooped in and cleaned it up

0:56:14.440 --> 0:56:18.400
<v Speaker 8>right away. And to their credit, this is not an

0:56:18.520 --> 0:56:23.200
<v Speaker 8>organization that's run by some Ivory Tower liberals who want

0:56:23.239 --> 0:56:25.520
<v Speaker 8>to sit there and go, oh, hey, we're going to

0:56:25.600 --> 0:56:29.040
<v Speaker 8>do our own social engineering. We don't care what you want, gotcha.

0:56:29.600 --> 0:56:32.520
<v Speaker 8>I appreciate you filling us in on that. I got

0:56:32.520 --> 0:56:34.880
<v Speaker 8>to ask you about this one you found that you

0:56:34.920 --> 0:56:36.520
<v Speaker 8>were kind enough to alert me.

0:56:37.120 --> 0:56:41.320
<v Speaker 1>The University of Surprise, Surprise, Minnesota.

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<v Speaker 2>On their web page, they have a thing.

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<v Speaker 1>You can explain what it is, James, but they're warning

0:56:48.680 --> 0:56:53.760
<v Speaker 1>against a whiteness pandemic. Can you tell us all about

0:56:53.800 --> 0:56:56.640
<v Speaker 1>this one, because this one, this one takes the cake,

0:56:56.680 --> 0:56:57.280
<v Speaker 1>if you will.

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<v Speaker 8>Oh, this is absolutely ridiculous. This is on their website.

0:57:00.960 --> 0:57:03.080
<v Speaker 8>Fortunately it's not a course. But how much you know,

0:57:03.160 --> 0:57:06.560
<v Speaker 8>on their professors are teaching the starbage in their courses,

0:57:07.719 --> 0:57:12.160
<v Speaker 8>and basically they say it all stems from quote research

0:57:12.440 --> 0:57:18.280
<v Speaker 8>evidence indicating that whiteness, that indicates that whiteness refers to culture,

0:57:18.480 --> 0:57:23.920
<v Speaker 8>not biology, and features things like color blindness, passivity, and

0:57:23.960 --> 0:57:26.840
<v Speaker 8>white fragility. I mean, I guess they're saying we need

0:57:26.880 --> 0:57:31.560
<v Speaker 8>to trust the science here. And the page states, quote,

0:57:31.640 --> 0:57:35.120
<v Speaker 8>if you were socialized into the culture of whiteness during childhood,

0:57:35.480 --> 0:57:37.440
<v Speaker 8>it is not your fault, but as an adult, it

0:57:37.520 --> 0:57:41.480
<v Speaker 8>is now your responsibility to self reflect, re educate yourself,

0:57:41.520 --> 0:57:46.760
<v Speaker 8>and act. And the web page has so called resources

0:57:47.160 --> 0:57:51.840
<v Speaker 8>for parents and educators to fight the quote whiteness pandemic,

0:57:51.920 --> 0:57:55.560
<v Speaker 8>I mean, calling it culture not biology. They're obviously trying

0:57:55.600 --> 0:57:58.280
<v Speaker 8>to cite step that little thing called the Civil Rights Act.

0:57:58.880 --> 0:58:05.720
<v Speaker 8>Ye you know, schools can't discriminate based on race. And

0:58:06.080 --> 0:58:10.480
<v Speaker 8>this is just absolutely blatantly ridiculous.

0:58:10.640 --> 0:58:14.640
<v Speaker 1>It's exactly what you would expect on the college campus

0:58:14.680 --> 0:58:18.600
<v Speaker 1>in the year twenty twenty five, except you know, Trump

0:58:18.640 --> 0:58:21.600
<v Speaker 1>in the Department of Education dropped the hammer on it.

0:58:22.280 --> 0:58:25.360
<v Speaker 1>Maybe you saw this, James. I found a letter from

0:58:25.720 --> 0:58:30.640
<v Speaker 1>Brad Finstead, a member of Congress from Minnesota to the

0:58:30.680 --> 0:58:36.760
<v Speaker 1>Honorable Russell Vaught, Director of omb for that state, basically saying, hey,

0:58:36.840 --> 0:58:40.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, we put the kibosh on this stuff. And

0:58:40.960 --> 0:58:43.320
<v Speaker 1>here's what he says. I'm just gonna summarize it here

0:58:43.360 --> 0:58:45.920
<v Speaker 1>a little bit, James talking about the web page that

0:58:45.960 --> 0:58:50.600
<v Speaker 1>you just described. The web page describes whiteness as culture,

0:58:50.640 --> 0:58:57.160
<v Speaker 1>not biology. The centuries old culture of whiteness features color blindness, passivity,

0:58:57.200 --> 0:58:58.240
<v Speaker 1>and white fragility.

0:58:58.400 --> 0:58:59.400
<v Speaker 2>Can't forget about that.

0:59:00.000 --> 0:59:04.600
<v Speaker 1>We're all covert expressions of racism so common in the

0:59:04.720 --> 0:59:07.800
<v Speaker 1>United States. Well, anyway, the letter goes on to say

0:59:08.120 --> 0:59:10.920
<v Speaker 1>fix it or we're taking your federal funds.

0:59:12.920 --> 0:59:16.080
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, with William, the Trump administration has been cracking down

0:59:16.080 --> 0:59:20.280
<v Speaker 8>on this garbage that I'm glad you see that. I mean,

0:59:20.400 --> 0:59:23.400
<v Speaker 8>this is just like when Columbia University and other schools

0:59:23.480 --> 0:59:27.560
<v Speaker 8>like that were turning a blind eye to violence, threats,

0:59:27.600 --> 0:59:29.120
<v Speaker 8>and harassments.

0:59:28.440 --> 0:59:29.920
<v Speaker 4>Towards Jewish students.

0:59:30.040 --> 0:59:30.240
<v Speaker 2>Yep.

0:59:30.880 --> 0:59:37.320
<v Speaker 8>And it's just it's so blatant, it's just ridiculous.

0:59:37.600 --> 0:59:37.840
<v Speaker 5>It is.

0:59:37.840 --> 0:59:40.000
<v Speaker 8>They're trying to find and they're trying to find ways

0:59:40.040 --> 0:59:46.360
<v Speaker 8>to sythestep Trump's directives about this kind of stuff in DEI.

0:59:46.080 --> 0:59:48.560
<v Speaker 1>Well, they're doing it all over the country too, And

0:59:49.440 --> 0:59:52.840
<v Speaker 1>this one somebody nailed it. You obviously found it. And

0:59:53.720 --> 0:59:55.880
<v Speaker 1>I'll tell you what, this isn't going to be the

0:59:55.960 --> 1:00:00.240
<v Speaker 1>last one. It just it is just so absurd heard

1:00:00.720 --> 1:00:05.080
<v Speaker 1>on its face that you do wonder, rational people, I think,

1:00:05.120 --> 1:00:08.880
<v Speaker 1>do wonder how in the hell does something like this happen?

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<v Speaker 1>If you have that question and you have that curiosity, legitimately,

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<v Speaker 1>I'd just say, go to the any college website and

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<v Speaker 1>shop around and look what they're offering, and you know

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<v Speaker 1>it won't surprise you.

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<v Speaker 2>Unfortunately.

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<v Speaker 8>I mean, how do these academics come up.

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<v Speaker 4>With this stuff?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't you know what. I've wondered that for years, James.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know when Trump dropped the boom, I thought,

1:00:34.640 --> 1:00:37.280
<v Speaker 1>thank god, you know this stuff's going to go away.

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<v Speaker 1>But you hit the nail on the head and I

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<v Speaker 1>should have thought about it. These arrogant academics, they know

1:00:43.880 --> 1:00:46.440
<v Speaker 1>so much more than you and I and everybody else.

1:00:46.680 --> 1:00:48.760
<v Speaker 1>They're going to try and find ways around it. And

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<v Speaker 1>looks like they got their hand in the cookie jar here.

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<v Speaker 8>Well, you saw the reactions of all those schools when

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<v Speaker 8>Trump won the election. Remember Georgetown had the else care

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<v Speaker 8>suite for students where they have milk and cookies, playing

1:01:03.960 --> 1:01:06.080
<v Speaker 8>with legos and dueling with krans.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well they didn't have that when I was there. James,

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<v Speaker 1>as always, we really appreciate you looking out for this

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<v Speaker 1>stuff and filling us in and keep an eye on

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<v Speaker 1>this Minnesota thing for us, if you would please.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh it's gonna be fun.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, all right, James, thank you so much. Appreciate Thank Michael.

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<v Speaker 4>He's a privilege.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, thank you. You know, and at University of Minnesota.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'll tell you what with our next guest, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna describe it more fully when we come back

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<v Speaker 1>from this short break.

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<v Speaker 2>It has to do with Minnesota. I'll tell you what.

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<v Speaker 1>They ought to start calling that place theeed People's Republic

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<v Speaker 1>of Minnesota. But at any rate, before we hear from Janis,

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna take a very short break and then we'll

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<v Speaker 1>come back.

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<v Speaker 2>Mike Allen, Saturday.

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<v Speaker 1>Seven hundred WLW Mike Allen an hour three, third and

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<v Speaker 1>final hour of the Saturday Midday. Well, like I told

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<v Speaker 1>you before, this is a big story. It's a breaking story.

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<v Speaker 1>There have spen some news out on it so far,

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<v Speaker 1>but not a lot until now. And it involves a

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<v Speaker 1>massive and probably unprecedented fraud situation. Fraud cases in Tampon,

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<v Speaker 1>Tim's state of Minnesota. Three separate cases, three separate cases,

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<v Speaker 1>all involving Minnesota's Somali community. The first one is some

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<v Speaker 1>program called Feeding Our Future, which was supposed to get

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<v Speaker 1>meals two kids needy kids during the pandemic. I think

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<v Speaker 1>the money went into somebody's pocket. That's number one. The

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<v Speaker 1>second scandal is something millions of dollars in fraudulent medicaid

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<v Speaker 1>claims to combat homelessness. They don't necessarily go together, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think. And the third one involves a twenty eight

1:03:00.160 --> 1:03:04.440
<v Speaker 1>year old woman who reaped fourteen million dollars from an

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<v Speaker 1>autism care program. And I'll tell you what the story

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<v Speaker 1>that Janis has in the Epoch Times. She's too modest

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<v Speaker 1>to tell you, so I'm going to do it for her.

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<v Speaker 1>Was recognized yesterday looks like last night by none other

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<v Speaker 1>than Nut Gingrich, former Speaker of the House. And Nut

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<v Speaker 1>had a little bit of a tweet on this thing,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess, and I'm just going to read it to you. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>this is from Nut Gingrich, And again it looks like

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<v Speaker 1>last night, Janis Heisel's article in the Epoch Times on

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<v Speaker 1>the gigantic scale of fraud in Minnesota is an extraordinarily

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<v Speaker 1>clear and well done article about one of the biggest

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<v Speaker 1>examples of big government socialism's inevitable tendency towards corruption and favoritism.

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<v Speaker 2>It should be a must.

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<v Speaker 1>It should be musk reading for every citizen who wants

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<v Speaker 1>honest government and realizes how big a problem corruption has become.

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<v Speaker 1>And Janis with that, I'll introduce you and first of

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<v Speaker 1>all tell you congratulations that my friend is a big deal.

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<v Speaker 5>Well know, a friend of mine sent that to me

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<v Speaker 5>last night. I didn't discover it on my own, and

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<v Speaker 5>I kind of went what At first, I thought it

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<v Speaker 5>could have been stakes, but I verified that it was legit,

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<v Speaker 5>and so I am quite you know, flattered to receive

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<v Speaker 5>that type of a compliment from a man who has

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<v Speaker 5>literally been considered one of the biggest experts on the

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<v Speaker 5>history of American politics, especially in you know, modern decades.

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<v Speaker 5>He just is a font of information about, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>so many things that have happened in our political world.

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<v Speaker 5>And so for him to come out and say that

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<v Speaker 5>it was an extraordinarily clear report, that was just a

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<v Speaker 5>huge compliment, and I have had the opportunity to interview him. Oh,

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<v Speaker 5>I think it was only one time, about a year

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<v Speaker 5>year and a half ago about some historic things going

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<v Speaker 5>on with the DRUMK campaign. So very gracious and I

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<v Speaker 5>was indeed flattered, But the bottom line, beyond any flattery

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<v Speaker 5>for me, I really do feel people need to be

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<v Speaker 5>aware of this and do whatever they can to take

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<v Speaker 5>a stand in this regard because our tax dollars. It's

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<v Speaker 5>not us personally, because it's Minnesota. But still I'm willing

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<v Speaker 5>to bet that there's a lot of other fraud out

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<v Speaker 5>there along these lines that hasn't even been discovered, possibly

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<v Speaker 5>in other states. If it's happening in that state, it

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<v Speaker 5>quite possibly is happening as mother ones. But this just

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<v Speaker 5>appears to be, you know, it's not a one off.

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<v Speaker 5>It appears to be systemic. Is the problem in Minnesota?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, if you could break it down for us, you

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<v Speaker 1>do in the story three separate cases of all involving

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<v Speaker 1>Minnesota's Somalian community, just kind of break it down for us. Jannis,

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<v Speaker 1>and we are talking about millions and millions of dollars?

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<v Speaker 2>Are we not.

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<v Speaker 4>Actually billions?

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<v Speaker 5>With a bee? Because the problem is that the scandals

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<v Speaker 5>are so widespread that the US attorney, the prosecutor, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>Ceneral prosecutor, has come out and said, there's going to

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<v Speaker 5>be people get away with this just because they don't

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<v Speaker 5>have the manpower to literally charge everybody who should be charged.

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<v Speaker 5>And so the three scandals, as you alluded to, the

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<v Speaker 5>first one involved a nonprofit called Feeding Our Future. Now

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<v Speaker 5>that organization actually started pre pandemic, and there were already

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<v Speaker 5>red flags being raised by people in the community about

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<v Speaker 5>some things going on with that group as back in

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<v Speaker 5>I think it formed in twenty seventeen, and it wasn't

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<v Speaker 5>the twenty sixteen. It wasn't long after that that people

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<v Speaker 5>started going, wait a minute, what's going on. Bottom line

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<v Speaker 5>with that one is, you know, in the same thing

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<v Speaker 5>actually with all three of the major scandals that I

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<v Speaker 5>wrote about, they're they're all alleged to have basically inflated

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<v Speaker 5>or made completely fraudulent claims to get money from the

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<v Speaker 5>federal government for welfare programs. In this case, it was

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<v Speaker 5>they were claiming one place, claimed that they fed up

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<v Speaker 5>to three hundred thousand children in a couple of years

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<v Speaker 5>spanning as a small organizations. Really you've fed three hundred

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<v Speaker 5>thousand meals to kids. You're a small, small group. And

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<v Speaker 5>so then the second scandal does involve it was Minnesota

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<v Speaker 5>was the first state in the country to come up

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<v Speaker 5>with this novel use of medicaid money. The idea was

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<v Speaker 5>that there were a lot of people who are homeless

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<v Speaker 5>do have like mental illness or you know, other like

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<v Speaker 5>kind of related conditions. So that is the next is

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<v Speaker 5>there so to speak, to try to get back money.

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<v Speaker 5>And what happened there, according to the federal prosecutors, is

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<v Speaker 5>that people would obtain names of eligible people and then

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<v Speaker 5>use those names to make up completely false claims saying, oh, yeah,

1:08:14.280 --> 1:08:17.640
<v Speaker 5>I got this person housing or maintain their housing at

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<v Speaker 5>a lower rate or whatever. So that's the second scandal

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<v Speaker 5>and the third one right now, there was only one

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<v Speaker 5>person initially charged in this case, but they're saying that

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<v Speaker 5>there should be many other indictments. A woman was charged

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<v Speaker 5>with fourteen million dollars as you mentioned in fraud, and

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<v Speaker 5>that was they recruited people in the Somali community. And

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<v Speaker 5>all three of these cases have many or mostly so Mali,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, accusing people in that community have been accused.

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<v Speaker 5>And so in that case with the autism. They would

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<v Speaker 5>go to the Somali community, Hey, come get your kid

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<v Speaker 5>evaluated for autism. Well guess what. Hundred percent of the

1:09:00.800 --> 1:09:07.120
<v Speaker 5>kids were diagnosed with federal program. Yeah yeah, where you

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<v Speaker 5>get reimbursed for treating the kids. So that's the bottom

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<v Speaker 5>line on that one.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I tell you, the obvious question becomes, Jannis,

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<v Speaker 1>where is the oversight? I mean, you know, I said

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<v Speaker 1>millions and millions. You corrected me saying billions. Where is

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<v Speaker 1>the oversight on this? You know, this is a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of money, a lot of taxpayers money.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, absolutely, that first case, the one that's been developing

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<v Speaker 5>the longest, defeating our future. One. Charges have been filed

1:09:36.479 --> 1:09:39.479
<v Speaker 5>in that case in twenty twenty two, and so far

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<v Speaker 5>seventy eight people have been charged. And what I understand,

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<v Speaker 5>the Feds aren't done with that one yet. The other

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<v Speaker 5>two scandals are literally just surfacing. Those came out in September.

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<v Speaker 5>So following that, there was an article written and I

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<v Speaker 5>could give credit to where credit is due to the

1:09:56.840 --> 1:10:00.000
<v Speaker 5>City Journal, which is a publication of the Manhattan Is.

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<v Speaker 5>They were able to get intelligence sources that I don't

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<v Speaker 5>have to come on, come on, you know, at least

1:10:08.120 --> 1:10:11.000
<v Speaker 5>you know anonymously, but to say that the money that

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<v Speaker 5>is going back to Somalia from these Somalian alleged fraudsters

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<v Speaker 5>is a kind of that's going to al Shabab, the

1:10:18.880 --> 1:10:22.760
<v Speaker 5>terrorism group. So that adds kind of insult to injury here.

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<v Speaker 5>So that really up to the outrage causing President Trump

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<v Speaker 5>to go ahead and discontinue what's called temporary protected status,

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<v Speaker 5>which is basically a shield against deportation for the Somalis

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<v Speaker 5>in Minnesota. There are people on the other side were

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<v Speaker 5>decrying that as being you know, oh, he's the anti Somalian,

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<v Speaker 5>and it's almost like they weren't connecting it to the

1:10:48.600 --> 1:10:51.400
<v Speaker 5>allegations and in a lot of cases already proven. There

1:10:51.439 --> 1:10:54.320
<v Speaker 5>have been many people already convicted. I think it's over

1:10:54.439 --> 1:10:59.000
<v Speaker 5>fifty have been convicted at first scandal and so of

1:11:00.080 --> 1:11:03.760
<v Speaker 5>literally taking advantage of this country to the point where

1:11:03.479 --> 1:11:07.760
<v Speaker 5>they're gif flauding the government, not just reaping benefits to

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<v Speaker 5>which they're entitled.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Yeah, this isn't some welfare cheat sitting at home

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<v Speaker 1>eating potato chips and watching TV on the taxpayer's dime.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, unbelievable billions of dollars involved. I just wanted

1:11:21.680 --> 1:11:23.960
<v Speaker 1>to read you one paragraph that caught my eye of

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<v Speaker 1>your story talking about Somalia and being steeped in public

1:11:28.040 --> 1:11:32.080
<v Speaker 1>sector corruption. These immigrants come from a nation steeped in

1:11:32.200 --> 1:11:37.120
<v Speaker 1>public sector corruption. Somalia ranks as the world's second most

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<v Speaker 1>corrupt nation according to something that I didn't even know

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<v Speaker 1>this existed, the Corruption Perception Index. That ranking that Somalia

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<v Speaker 1>got is that nine points on a scale of one hundred,

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred means very clean. Only South Sudan was worse.

1:11:56.880 --> 1:12:00.360
<v Speaker 1>They had all of eight points. The United States scored

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<v Speaker 1>sixty five. The world's least corrupt country, Denmark got ninety points.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess all that's a way of asking, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>this stuff's public knowledge, is it not. And wouldn't you

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<v Speaker 1>think at the state level, in federal inspectors too, somebody

1:12:17.720 --> 1:12:20.360
<v Speaker 1>would have figured this out before. And I know you

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<v Speaker 1>said the one started one prosecution in twenty twenty four.

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<v Speaker 1>You just wonder, you know, who's watching the piggy bank here?

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<v Speaker 1>Apparently nobody, Well there.

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<v Speaker 5>Was, Yeah, there was a report done in regard to

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<v Speaker 5>that feeding our future scan of the one that's been

1:12:35.400 --> 1:12:38.840
<v Speaker 5>brewing the longest, and you know they came right out

1:12:38.880 --> 1:12:42.960
<v Speaker 5>and staid in this independent audit that there were many

1:12:43.040 --> 1:12:47.080
<v Speaker 5>steps that were you know, red flags that were basically ignored.

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<v Speaker 5>So that's the problem there. I mean again, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>how can you have a very small organization claiming to

1:12:55.960 --> 1:12:59.760
<v Speaker 5>serve three hundred thousand meals? It just doesn't even you know,

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<v Speaker 5>makes sense.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, do you know if anyone has tried to

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<v Speaker 1>hold the governor of Minnesota not necessarily responsible, but at

1:13:10.080 --> 1:13:13.679
<v Speaker 1>least accountable for this, because you know, Mike DeWine here

1:13:13.880 --> 1:13:17.880
<v Speaker 1>in Ohio, if this was going on here, he would

1:13:17.880 --> 1:13:20.200
<v Speaker 1>have known about it, he would have done something about it.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think Tim Waltz should get a pass on this,

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<v Speaker 1>and I know that's not your Bailey Wick, but did

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<v Speaker 1>you find anything where he had knowledge of this or

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<v Speaker 1>is doing anything about it?

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<v Speaker 4>Well?

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, actually he did come out and you know condemn

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<v Speaker 5>the Feeding our Future, which well, I was in Minnesota

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<v Speaker 5>to cover the marriage race, which, as you remember, there

1:13:43.280 --> 1:13:45.880
<v Speaker 5>was a Democrat socialist running and he ended up losing

1:13:45.920 --> 1:13:49.840
<v Speaker 5>to the incumbent, more moderate Democrat mayor. I was there

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<v Speaker 5>and I did pick up on a vibe of people

1:13:52.479 --> 1:13:58.360
<v Speaker 5>being really upset regarding this Feeding our Future scandal that

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<v Speaker 5>the other guy own Fate who was the Democratic Socialist

1:14:03.200 --> 1:14:06.760
<v Speaker 5>guy from Somalia, or actually wasn't. He wasn't born there.

1:14:06.800 --> 1:14:11.080
<v Speaker 5>He was born here to Somalian parents, correcting himself. So anyway,

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<v Speaker 5>he had some connections to people in that whole scandal,

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<v Speaker 5>and there were quite a number of people I spoke

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<v Speaker 5>to who resent that scandal very, very highly, and they

1:14:25.680 --> 1:14:29.479
<v Speaker 5>were critical also of Governor Waltz. But Governor Waltz did

1:14:29.479 --> 1:14:34.040
<v Speaker 5>come out and condemn the scandal itself and has taken

1:14:34.120 --> 1:14:38.400
<v Speaker 5>some action. For example, just recently, I think it was

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<v Speaker 5>at the end of October, he issued an order that

1:14:41.560 --> 1:14:48.000
<v Speaker 5>they were going to halt temporarily fourteen medicaid programs. And

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<v Speaker 5>so the three scandals we just talked about, those are

1:14:51.680 --> 1:14:57.080
<v Speaker 5>just the three biggest ones. There are fourteen medicaid programs

1:14:57.120 --> 1:15:01.760
<v Speaker 5>that he is temporarily stopping. Evenson will they have an

1:15:01.800 --> 1:15:04.519
<v Speaker 5>independent audit for guess what fraud?

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<v Speaker 4>You know what?

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<v Speaker 1>This defies belief really, I mean, but and there's one

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<v Speaker 1>two sentenced paragraph, and I just wanted to get your

1:15:14.520 --> 1:15:17.439
<v Speaker 1>reaction to this. I mean, you wrote it, Okay. The

1:15:17.479 --> 1:15:23.280
<v Speaker 1>state's Education Commissioner, Willie L. Jet the third, defended his

1:15:23.520 --> 1:15:28.200
<v Speaker 1>agencies oversight of the programs. He said, the agency reported

1:15:28.280 --> 1:15:32.600
<v Speaker 1>suspicions and concerns to law enforcement. I mean, do you

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<v Speaker 1>find that to be a credible statement?

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<v Speaker 5>Huh, well, I don't want to necessarily, come on. I

1:15:39.840 --> 1:15:43.760
<v Speaker 5>think it speaks for itself. You know. He that was

1:15:43.800 --> 1:15:46.759
<v Speaker 5>his side of it. It was important to include that, understand,

1:15:47.080 --> 1:15:51.880
<v Speaker 5>But certainly the report that I read does come right

1:15:51.920 --> 1:15:54.479
<v Speaker 5>out and just you know, lay a lot of blame

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<v Speaker 5>on the agency. He was defending the agency byline.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, somebody a person like that doing that, not

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<v Speaker 1>doing the job, I think probably ought to be terminated.

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<v Speaker 2>But I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>It's Minnesota, so you know, I guess some people get

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<v Speaker 1>a pass.

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<v Speaker 10>Mike.

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<v Speaker 5>I would like to tell you about another kind of

1:16:13.920 --> 1:16:16.160
<v Speaker 5>slice of this. There are so many branches of this.

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<v Speaker 5>I could probably stay busy for several years just covering

1:16:20.320 --> 1:16:23.320
<v Speaker 5>even the basics. There's so much. But one of the

1:16:23.360 --> 1:16:26.720
<v Speaker 5>things that a lot of people are outraged about is

1:16:26.920 --> 1:16:31.080
<v Speaker 5>just recently a judge overturned a jury's verdict, and you,

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<v Speaker 5>being in a former judge and a prosecutor yourself, know

1:16:35.320 --> 1:16:38.160
<v Speaker 5>how unusual that is. This jury verdict where a fan

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<v Speaker 5>was convicted of seven point two million dollars worth of

1:16:43.080 --> 1:16:48.320
<v Speaker 5>Medicaid fraud, claiming to run a home healthcare agency that

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<v Speaker 5>from a mail box. I am not making this up. Wow,

1:16:52.680 --> 1:16:55.200
<v Speaker 5>and the jurors from what I read some other reports,

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<v Speaker 5>again not my reporting, but I will be checking into this.

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<v Speaker 5>People are really upset over this reversal of the jury verdict.

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<v Speaker 5>I do not know the ins and outs, but again,

1:17:05.920 --> 1:17:08.880
<v Speaker 5>that seven point two million dollars is a fair chunk

1:17:08.880 --> 1:17:12.040
<v Speaker 5>of change for one person, and you know, it's my

1:17:12.120 --> 1:17:14.360
<v Speaker 5>belief that he only has maybe one I don't know

1:17:14.360 --> 1:17:16.719
<v Speaker 5>how many people, for sure are involved with that one.

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<v Speaker 5>But for one person or a few people to split

1:17:19.040 --> 1:17:21.160
<v Speaker 5>seven point two million, that's that's like you're one in

1:17:21.200 --> 1:17:23.760
<v Speaker 5>the lottery there, right, And I believe that's what you're doing,

1:17:23.840 --> 1:17:25.640
<v Speaker 5>is reaping it from taxpayers.

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<v Speaker 1>And as you point out, you're absolutely right. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>I can count on one hand. I don't need all

1:17:30.720 --> 1:17:33.160
<v Speaker 1>my fingers to tell you the number of times that's

1:17:33.160 --> 1:17:36.160
<v Speaker 1>happened here locally. The whole thing about a judge overruling

1:17:36.240 --> 1:17:39.160
<v Speaker 1>a jury verdict, I mean, there's got to be there's

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<v Speaker 1>got to be something to that. The whole thing stinks

1:17:42.880 --> 1:17:46.360
<v Speaker 1>to high heavens. Janis I mean, I would assume, based

1:17:46.400 --> 1:17:49.920
<v Speaker 1>on the gravity of this, and you're great reporting on it,

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to stay on this story right.

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<v Speaker 5>Absolutely. In fact, I have several spinoff stories that are

1:17:57.280 --> 1:18:02.719
<v Speaker 5>in the worst, but we did have Thanksgiving and so boy,

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<v Speaker 5>I tell you, there are a lot of questions about

1:18:06.160 --> 1:18:10.000
<v Speaker 5>higher ups in government in Minnesota. You know, one person

1:18:10.040 --> 1:18:11.960
<v Speaker 5>put it this way I think was actually a congresswoman,

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<v Speaker 5>Nancy May said this about ilhan Omar be So Molly,

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<v Speaker 5>congresswoman from that area. What did ilhan Omar know and

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<v Speaker 5>when did she know?

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<v Speaker 13>Yes, that that has been a big question out there,

1:18:25.400 --> 1:18:29.639
<v Speaker 13>and also questions regarding Tim Waltz, other people who either

1:18:29.720 --> 1:18:32.760
<v Speaker 13>knew or perhaps should have known about.

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<v Speaker 5>The extent of this. This is I really do think

1:18:36.080 --> 1:18:40.960
<v Speaker 5>this is probably the most massive welfare fraud case in I've.

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<v Speaker 11>Ever heard of in United States history.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, I haven't verified that for sure, but I

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<v Speaker 5>can't think yntey it comes close. I've heard estimates as

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<v Speaker 5>high as sixteen billion.

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<v Speaker 2>Dollars total across all the.

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<v Speaker 5>Scandals, not to see three, so I don't I haven't

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<v Speaker 5>again verified that, but that is a report I have

1:18:58.120 --> 1:19:02.599
<v Speaker 5>seen an estimate. I've seen, uh so lots and lots

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<v Speaker 5>of work for me and others to do to try

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<v Speaker 5>to bring this to the public's attention. And the presidential

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<v Speaker 5>action has already been taken, and from what I've seen,

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<v Speaker 5>uh does look like there's been some crackdowns. This combined

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<v Speaker 5>with the Afghany assassination of one of our National guardsmen

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<v Speaker 5>and the grave, grave wounding of the second gardens iding

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<v Speaker 5>for his life. Uh that you know, there's a lot

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<v Speaker 5>of concern about, you know, raising to kind of a

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<v Speaker 5>critical point of awareness. Look at how much immigrants are

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<v Speaker 5>receiving benefits from the country and then you thank them,

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<v Speaker 5>either by fraud or by violence. You know that that's

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<v Speaker 5>what President Trump is doing now, taking action to to

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<v Speaker 5>cut off benefits like that. And Americans, you know, from

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<v Speaker 5>what I've seen, I've heard so many people say how

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<v Speaker 5>set up they are, so many people are completely bet up.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it sounds to me, Janis Hail like you just

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<v Speaker 1>hit the tip of the iceberg here. I'm glad, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure the taxpayers of this country are going to

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<v Speaker 1>be glad that you're on top of this thing. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just I've never seen or heard anything like it, and

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<v Speaker 1>we really appreciate you sharing with.

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<v Speaker 5>Us yeah, well at least it doesn't. Here there are

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<v Speaker 5>some serious actions being taken, and it's just it speaks

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<v Speaker 5>volumes that the Department Justice said, we can't charge everybody.

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<v Speaker 4>True, it's traffic. True.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Janie, thanks again, thank you? Okay, all right, Wow,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, are you soaking all that in billions of dollars?

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<v Speaker 2>And who was minding the store?

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<v Speaker 1>I just I refuse to believe that, you know, people

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<v Speaker 1>in positions of authority did not know the extent of it. Now,

1:20:54.000 --> 1:20:58.040
<v Speaker 1>Janie did point out that one of these problems started

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<v Speaker 1>being prosecuted in twenty twenty two, I think she said,

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<v Speaker 1>but we're going to hang on to this. We're going

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<v Speaker 1>to keep on to it too. And again just point

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<v Speaker 1>out to you that none other than former Speaker of

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<v Speaker 1>the House Nuke Gingrish recognized her yesterday in the story,

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<v Speaker 1>and I know she'll stay on it.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, we got us take a break.

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<v Speaker 1>But when we get back open lines seven four, nine,

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<v Speaker 1>seven thousand, one, eight hundred, the big one are the numbers.

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<v Speaker 1>After we get our mystery guest coming out of the news,

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<v Speaker 1>Mike Allen, Saturday midday.

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<v Speaker 4>This is what they call the hart Cell Sunday.

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<v Speaker 1>Yard eleven thirty nine News Radio seven hundred WLW Mike

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<v Speaker 1>Allen Saturday midday closing half hour.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'll tell you what. In about a half.

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<v Speaker 1>Hour, something big is going to be happening, and that

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<v Speaker 1>is Ohio State Michigan on the hotline. Here, I have

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<v Speaker 1>the biggest Ohio State Buckeye fanatic that I know. That

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<v Speaker 1>happened to be my son. Heard here Sunday Nights on

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<v Speaker 1>the Big One, Mike Allen Jr.

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<v Speaker 2>Mike, thanks for joining us.

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<v Speaker 12>Hey, no problem, man, trying to call my heart rate

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<v Speaker 12>a little bit.

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<v Speaker 4>In about twenty minutes, this house is going to be loud.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you know what, let me get it jumped up

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit. I just wanted to ask you, did

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<v Speaker 1>you see last night where Saint X they're going to

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<v Speaker 1>the state championships?

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<v Speaker 2>Your thoughts?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 12>Yeah, I mean I'll say this, man, they had to

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<v Speaker 12>play their best game to beat Elder the other night

1:22:28.960 --> 1:22:30.960
<v Speaker 12>last week they played their best game. I actually was

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<v Speaker 12>at the gym this morning and I saw some younger

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<v Speaker 12>guys and St X stuff talking about it, and I said, hey,

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<v Speaker 12>until you guys go get two in a row, you

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<v Speaker 12>don't match to an elder guy. And they started laughing,

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<v Speaker 12>and I said, hey, guys, GCL go win the thing exactly.

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<v Speaker 12>Might be the only time someone with the last name

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<v Speaker 12>Allen here for the Saint X Bombers.

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<v Speaker 1>I just gave him a hell of a build up,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. As a matter of fact, Liam tells me

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<v Speaker 1>we've got some calls. I forgot to mention Anderson is

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<v Speaker 1>going up state. They beat big one. I've never heard

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<v Speaker 1>of that before, but two of them going up state.

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<v Speaker 1>But anyway, enough of that, unless do you have just shows.

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<v Speaker 4>How big football is in the state of Ohio.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, in the gCO, absolutely, yes, sir.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I introduced you, Mike as the biggest Ohio State

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<v Speaker 1>Buckeye fanatic that I know of. Uh, you might remember

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<v Speaker 1>when you have a memory like I couldn't believe when

1:23:24.320 --> 1:23:27.000
<v Speaker 1>you were growing up, we kind of split it between

1:23:27.040 --> 1:23:31.479
<v Speaker 1>OSU and Notre Dame. Yeah, and you made a turn

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<v Speaker 1>to Ohio State. What brought that on?

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<v Speaker 12>Your mom did? To be be honest with you, it

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<v Speaker 12>was our grandmother. Yeah, And I remember I had stopped

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<v Speaker 12>by her place.

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<v Speaker 4>It was on the Saturday of the.

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<v Speaker 12>Ohio State and Michigan game, and I'd stop by her

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<v Speaker 12>place maybe an hour or so before it was when

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<v Speaker 12>I was well, actually, you know what it was when.

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<v Speaker 4>I was going up to Columbus for the game.

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<v Speaker 12>And honestly, it was to just do one of those

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<v Speaker 12>you show up at grandma's house and she may give

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<v Speaker 12>you twenty bucks just for showing up. But we started

1:23:59.680 --> 1:24:01.479
<v Speaker 12>talking about it, and we were talking about how expensive

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<v Speaker 12>tickets were, and she said, you know, your grandfather and

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<v Speaker 12>I would sell our Ohio State Michigan tickets to pay

1:24:07.840 --> 1:24:10.200
<v Speaker 12>a month to rent when they were living up there. Yeah,

1:24:10.680 --> 1:24:13.200
<v Speaker 12>and just the history of it, and and your dad

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<v Speaker 12>and you and I watching Joe Jermain and and the

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<v Speaker 12>buck Eyes in the nineties, always losing the Michigan. It

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<v Speaker 12>just got this this hatred and reel lack of a

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<v Speaker 12>better term, And it's it's that.

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<v Speaker 4>I think that's what's so cool about.

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<v Speaker 12>This game is the way it it goes through families,

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<v Speaker 12>you know what I mean. There's people in our family.

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<v Speaker 12>We have a Michigan alum, your nephew Keith, my cousin,

1:24:37.160 --> 1:24:40.000
<v Speaker 12>your nephew Danny Allen is a huge Michigan fan, and

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<v Speaker 12>then his brother Joey.

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<v Speaker 4>Is a massive Ohio State fan.

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<v Speaker 12>So I think that's what's so cool about it, and

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<v Speaker 12>it's I really do think this. I do not think

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<v Speaker 12>there are two teams in the existence of sport that

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<v Speaker 12>hate each other more.

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<v Speaker 4>And what I like about it is you have all of.

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<v Speaker 12>These players, you know, the buck Eyes, you to just

1:25:00.400 --> 1:25:03.080
<v Speaker 12>recruit mostly out of Ohio. They got guys from Florida,

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<v Speaker 12>California and everywhere in between.

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<v Speaker 4>Right when they get there. They could people go to Ohio.

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<v Speaker 12>State Michigan to play in this game, to play in

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<v Speaker 12>the biggest rivalry in all of sports.

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<v Speaker 4>And you know, I there was a long while there.

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<v Speaker 12>Where Ohio State sort of dominated. Now Michigan has been dominating.

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<v Speaker 12>And it was one of those things where I meant

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<v Speaker 12>this just as a fan of college football, we needed

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<v Speaker 12>and when I say we, I mean college football as

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<v Speaker 12>a whole, and especially Ohio State needed that to be

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<v Speaker 12>a rivalry again. And I'm telling you what, man, the

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<v Speaker 12>last four or five years, it is one thousand percent

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<v Speaker 12>of rivalry.

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<v Speaker 1>Again, no question about it. The guy I'm going to

1:25:39.360 --> 1:25:41.280
<v Speaker 1>ask you, I know, you know it just for conversation

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<v Speaker 1>saying the guy that coined the term that would not

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<v Speaker 1>refer to Michigan as Michigan, but that team up north,

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<v Speaker 1>none other in whatdy Hayes Am I right about that, absolutely?

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<v Speaker 4>And what's funny?

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<v Speaker 11>Man?

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<v Speaker 12>And I know you know this Woodrow Hayes Allen, my

1:25:58.640 --> 1:26:02.400
<v Speaker 12>German shepherds is actually sitting right next to me.

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<v Speaker 4>Getting ready to watch again.

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<v Speaker 12>Every dog I've had for the last fifteen years has

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<v Speaker 12>been named after a Buckeye.

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<v Speaker 2>I know that.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, you couldn't have anything to do with your

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<v Speaker 1>beautiful wife being a graduate from there.

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<v Speaker 4>No, of course, not okay, but no, it's it's funny.

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<v Speaker 12>I mean, you go up the further north, you go

1:26:21.000 --> 1:26:24.240
<v Speaker 12>up in Ohio, you see every single word, whether it's

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<v Speaker 12>on a sign or a name tag or something like that,

1:26:27.120 --> 1:26:29.120
<v Speaker 12>that's got an eminent has a big X through it.

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<v Speaker 4>So you know, it's one of these things.

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<v Speaker 12>Where people ask themselves, you know how they hell, the

1:26:35.640 --> 1:26:37.680
<v Speaker 12>two teams end up hating each other so much, and

1:26:37.800 --> 1:26:41.080
<v Speaker 12>I mean it literally goes back to the two state

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<v Speaker 12>militias almost going to war with each other.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't hear that one.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah.

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<v Speaker 12>So in eighteen thirty something, Governor John Bell of the

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<v Speaker 12>state of Ohio laid claim to the Toledo Strip right

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<v Speaker 12>there near Allen County where or up north of Allen

1:26:58.800 --> 1:27:02.240
<v Speaker 12>County where you know Ohio and Michigan right right, and

1:27:02.320 --> 1:27:04.720
<v Speaker 12>there was a big fight. Ohio was a state at

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<v Speaker 12>that time, I don't think Michigan was. Ohio said hey,

1:27:07.760 --> 1:27:09.920
<v Speaker 12>this whole strip right here is ours, and we're willing

1:27:09.960 --> 1:27:12.280
<v Speaker 12>to pick up guns over it. And it got to

1:27:12.320 --> 1:27:15.160
<v Speaker 12>the point where literally the governor of Ohio called up

1:27:15.720 --> 1:27:19.519
<v Speaker 12>the state militia, armed them, got them to the border,

1:27:19.920 --> 1:27:22.960
<v Speaker 12>and they two state militias were about to start going

1:27:23.040 --> 1:27:27.840
<v Speaker 12>literally shooting at each other. President Andrew Jackson actually get

1:27:27.880 --> 1:27:30.920
<v Speaker 12>involved and basically say, if any of you shoot at

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<v Speaker 12>each other, I'm.

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<v Speaker 4>Hanging all of you.

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<v Speaker 12>So what happened was Ohio was given the Toledo Strip

1:27:36.360 --> 1:27:40.719
<v Speaker 12>in exchange for Michigan being granted statehood by the federal government.

1:27:40.800 --> 1:27:44.560
<v Speaker 12>And they actually got the Mitten, like the northern peninsula

1:27:44.560 --> 1:27:47.439
<v Speaker 12>of Michigan in exchange. So at the time it seemed

1:27:47.439 --> 1:27:50.559
<v Speaker 12>like Ohio got the best of that deal. But I

1:27:50.600 --> 1:27:54.240
<v Speaker 12>think that Michigan's lakefront property sort of beats Ohio, and

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<v Speaker 12>in the Cleveland Rusfeld area, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Guess you know what I tell you, that's a rivalry.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I know you've been up there a number

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<v Speaker 1>of times to Ohio state.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you ever? You've never been up for Ohio State Michigan?

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<v Speaker 2>Have you?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh? No, No, I like my life too much.

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<v Speaker 12>I worry, I honestly, God, worry about myself. And that's

1:28:14.439 --> 1:28:18.960
<v Speaker 12>the thing about this is you see generally reasonable.

1:28:18.360 --> 1:28:22.760
<v Speaker 4>People lose their minds over this. And that's the wild thing.

1:28:22.800 --> 1:28:25.879
<v Speaker 12>It's like, if there's something that makes your average American

1:28:26.000 --> 1:28:27.840
<v Speaker 12>lose it over it's he I mean, if there's two

1:28:27.880 --> 1:28:31.040
<v Speaker 12>things you bring up, either a Donald Trump or b

1:28:31.320 --> 1:28:33.559
<v Speaker 12>Ohio State Michigan, and you're going to get a reaction

1:28:33.640 --> 1:28:37.960
<v Speaker 12>out of people that tend not to give pretty animated reactions.

1:28:38.000 --> 1:28:41.960
<v Speaker 12>But but the hatred is one thousand percent real. But no,

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<v Speaker 12>I've never been to ann Arbor. I have no plans

1:28:44.960 --> 1:28:47.960
<v Speaker 12>on going to ann Arbor. If there's one place on

1:28:48.080 --> 1:28:50.960
<v Speaker 12>planet Earth I would love to avoid my entire natural life,

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<v Speaker 12>it would be ann Arbor.

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<v Speaker 2>Why doesn't that surprise me?

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<v Speaker 4>You know, you know, I'm not sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me ask you about about the game itself, Mike, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean Ohio State so dominant this year. Michigan. I

1:29:06.800 --> 1:29:10.200
<v Speaker 1>think they're banging around about fourteenth or fifteenth or something

1:29:10.280 --> 1:29:13.439
<v Speaker 1>like that. Yeah, obviously Buckeyes are the favorites. But what

1:29:13.479 --> 1:29:15.000
<v Speaker 1>are you looking for in this game?

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<v Speaker 12>I'm telling you right now, and I know it's just

1:29:19.120 --> 1:29:22.320
<v Speaker 12>the cliches are cliches because they're true. But I mean this,

1:29:22.479 --> 1:29:24.599
<v Speaker 12>throw the record book out and you can say that

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<v Speaker 12>the years absolutely. So what I think the key is

1:29:29.920 --> 1:29:33.799
<v Speaker 12>here is that Ohio State. You know their quarterback Julian's

1:29:33.800 --> 1:29:36.880
<v Speaker 12>saying and I watched him a little bit when he

1:29:36.920 --> 1:29:39.439
<v Speaker 12>was in high school, just film and stuff hearing about him,

1:29:39.520 --> 1:29:42.080
<v Speaker 12>and he really flew under the radar. This could be

1:29:42.240 --> 1:29:45.639
<v Speaker 12>his heisman game. He is completing something like eighty percent

1:29:45.680 --> 1:29:50.920
<v Speaker 12>of his passes. Another guy who was absolutely lethal to

1:29:51.040 --> 1:29:53.400
<v Speaker 12>Michigan in his career long you know, back in five

1:29:53.680 --> 1:29:56.880
<v Speaker 12>six era, was Troy Smith. This guy reminds me of

1:29:56.880 --> 1:29:59.720
<v Speaker 12>Troy Smith. He wears number ten, just like him. He's

1:29:59.760 --> 1:30:03.400
<v Speaker 12>a li undersized, but mechanically I don't think I've seen

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<v Speaker 12>a quarterback, especially at that age, as good as this

1:30:07.000 --> 1:30:09.439
<v Speaker 12>kid is. The Other thing to look for is Ohio

1:30:09.479 --> 1:30:14.320
<v Speaker 12>State's other heisman candidates, Jeremiah Smith and Carneal Tate, the

1:30:14.360 --> 1:30:17.280
<v Speaker 12>two wide receivers. I don't think there's any question, you know,

1:30:17.360 --> 1:30:20.400
<v Speaker 12>whether or not these two are the best wide receivers.

1:30:19.920 --> 1:30:21.679
<v Speaker 4>In the country, and they're on the same team.

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<v Speaker 12>They're a little banged up, they didn't play last week,

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<v Speaker 12>they're going to play today. I mean, I think, you know,

1:30:27.439 --> 1:30:31.120
<v Speaker 12>if Jeremiah Smith and Carnal Tate had broken two broken hands,

1:30:31.120 --> 1:30:33.080
<v Speaker 12>they would still find a way to play in this game.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah. Really, so I think that you know.

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<v Speaker 12>O High State weathering the storm, the noise, the insanity,

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<v Speaker 12>they're not going to be able to hear themselves. Think

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<v Speaker 12>even if that first drive ends in a punt, that's fine.

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<v Speaker 12>It's limiting turnovers for Ohio State, letting the game come

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<v Speaker 12>to them. Michigan is going to have to find a

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<v Speaker 12>way to run the ball, and that's going to be

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<v Speaker 12>very tough because there's no defensive.

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<v Speaker 4>Line and in my view, no defense better in the

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<v Speaker 4>country than High of States.

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<v Speaker 12>So if Michigan can find a way to slow the

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<v Speaker 12>game down, sort of play that old school Ohio State

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<v Speaker 12>Michigan football, where they can grind the ball, pick up

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<v Speaker 12>first downs, avoid third and long, they'll have a shot.

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<v Speaker 12>Ohio State's gonna have to do the opposite. They're going

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<v Speaker 12>to have to air it out, chuck it deep to

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<v Speaker 12>the two best receivers in the United States and it's

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<v Speaker 12>not going to be, you know, a high scoring game.

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<v Speaker 4>I wish it was, but I don't think it's going

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<v Speaker 4>to be.

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<v Speaker 9>Well.

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<v Speaker 12>I think Ohio State gets out, maybe by less than

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<v Speaker 12>a touchdown.

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<v Speaker 1>We shall see. It's certainly exciting. Appreciate you spend some

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<v Speaker 1>time with us. Are you on Tomorrow night?

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<v Speaker 4>No, sir, man, I'm not. I don't think I am.

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<v Speaker 12>Okay, They'll be playing football and I'm okay with it.

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<v Speaker 12>I'm busy getting getting ready for a little Buckeye to

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<v Speaker 12>get here, so I know.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, I can't wait. I can't wait.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and I want to be busy.

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<v Speaker 3>Brother.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. Well, I wanted to let it know. We

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<v Speaker 1>are on together this coming Friday for slowany Yeah, for

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<v Speaker 1>Willie nine to New Well, No, you in for Sloan.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I better double check then.

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<v Speaker 12>Anyway, that'll be fun and we'll have it covered now.

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<v Speaker 2>What the hell? All right?

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<v Speaker 4>Mike?

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you?

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<v Speaker 4>All right?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, see, you know, I gotta tell you, how cool

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<v Speaker 1>is that interviewing your son about Ohio State Michigan. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>so proud of that young man. I could burst. Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>let's do this. Uh, we have a couple of callers,

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<v Speaker 1>but I want to take a break. Get that out

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<v Speaker 1>of the way, come back and we'll get the callers.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll do that when we get back. Mike Allen, Saturday midday,

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<v Speaker 1>Mike Allen, Saturday midday, closing minutes of same as promise.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's go to the phone first, Doctor Dennis. Are you there, sir,

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<v Speaker 1>Doctor Dennis, you're there.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm there. How you doing, doc?

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<v Speaker 4>Okay? All right, pretty good, good.

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<v Speaker 14>I had a nice, nice thanks. I just want to

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<v Speaker 14>take two quick points. Two quick points. One you got, uh, Tim,

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<v Speaker 14>no balls walls out there voicing concern about the results

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<v Speaker 14>of Trump's MRI. I think I have that right, Uh,

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<v Speaker 14>when you have some other yeah, some other talking heads

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<v Speaker 14>concerned about Trump is showing early dimension is you know,

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<v Speaker 14>et cetera, et cetera. But these same people never voiced

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<v Speaker 14>any concern about you know, demesia Joe and and his

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<v Speaker 14>uh and his uh severe cognitive deficits.

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<v Speaker 4>You are so worried. You know.

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<v Speaker 1>I heard that too this week too, and it's nobody

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<v Speaker 1>ever calls him on it, and it's just so bright,

1:33:38.479 --> 1:33:41.680
<v Speaker 1>so blatant. You know, Trump, I don't even think the

1:33:41.720 --> 1:33:43.920
<v Speaker 1>guy gets tired. At least he doesn't look like that

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<v Speaker 1>to me.

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<v Speaker 14>He's running circles around what Biden did. There's no question

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<v Speaker 14>about it.

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<v Speaker 2>No question.

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<v Speaker 14>And then and then I want to put it plug

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<v Speaker 14>in for Xavier because I don't know if you know this,

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<v Speaker 14>but he's Xavior grad came up with the Bengals name

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<v Speaker 14>for the Cincinnati football.

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<v Speaker 4>Team, really really yeah.

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<v Speaker 14>A guy named yeah, a guy named Hal Pennington who

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<v Speaker 14>was the Xavier grad.

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<v Speaker 4>He he coached some.

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<v Speaker 14>Early versions of the Bengals that they weren't called the Bengals,

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<v Speaker 14>called other names.

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<v Speaker 2>In theties, wasn't it, yes?

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<v Speaker 4>Correct?

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<v Speaker 14>Correct in the thirties, right, right? So his name is

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<v Speaker 14>Hal Pennington. You can look it up. But I got

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<v Speaker 14>this out of a book called The Hidden.

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<v Speaker 4>History of Cincinnati.

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<v Speaker 14>Okay, and yeah, it was a very fascinating story.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna check it out. Hey.

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<v Speaker 1>One other thing, I don't know if you heard. I

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<v Speaker 1>know how much you like local history. I had a

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<v Speaker 1>guy on this week who wrote a book about Post

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<v Speaker 1>Steele Laski, the Cincinnati Strangler, which was excellent.

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<v Speaker 2>It was so good, was that, right? Yeah? Yeah, you

1:34:54.479 --> 1:34:57.800
<v Speaker 2>can get it on Amazon. Well that was worth read.

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<v Speaker 14>Now is that the same guy that was going around

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<v Speaker 14>with a when that the murder of that family over

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<v Speaker 14>in the West Side.

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<v Speaker 2>That's j T.

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<v Speaker 1>Towns No, well it was going on at the same time.

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<v Speaker 1>But uh no, j T. Townsend wrote that book. But

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<v Speaker 1>it's really good. Uh you know, I think it's like

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<v Speaker 1>twenty bucks or something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>So just wanted to let you.

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<v Speaker 14>Know it's a newer book. It's a newer it's a different, different,

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<v Speaker 14>criminal different.

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<v Speaker 1>A bad one too. Okay, all right, thanks, thank you

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<v Speaker 1>so much. But you know, I didn't know that about Xavier.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, a lot of people don't know this. One

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<v Speaker 1>of Xavier's last football players. I think he was on

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<v Speaker 1>the last team, none other than the great, great Ken Blackwell,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure everybody knows. Ken, one of the most conservative

1:35:46.600 --> 1:35:49.040
<v Speaker 1>guys in the state, should have been the governor of

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<v Speaker 1>the state of Ohio.

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<v Speaker 2>He played football for Xavier.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I think he got drafted, not maybe a

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<v Speaker 1>high pick, but got drafted by the Cowboys, Dallas Cowboys.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think you ever played for him, though, but

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate the trivia. I'm the most trivial person you'll find. Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>let's talk to Ralph in beautiful Western Hills. Hey, Ralph,

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<v Speaker 1>how are you doing good today, har are you?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm good? We got one minute?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, one minute. I don't think I have enough time.

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<v Speaker 1>Then.

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<v Speaker 15>Basically, I think a lot of the stuff that's going

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<v Speaker 15>on is intentional, and I think it's intentional because to transfer.

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<v Speaker 2>Wealth, really, tell me, tell me what you mean by that.

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<v Speaker 2>We got time for that.

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<v Speaker 15>Hey, if you look at what was going on with

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<v Speaker 15>the immigration, he had the open borders, the cartels were

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<v Speaker 15>making bands, ye, all right, Venezuela making byans off of that.

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<v Speaker 15>A lot of the immigrants that were coming from Venezuela

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<v Speaker 15>were men, and they were muslim men. And a lot

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<v Speaker 15>of these musselmen were coming out of prisons.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, if you look at some of.

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<v Speaker 15>The Ukrainians, they were giving money to travel here, they

1:37:00.439 --> 1:37:02.920
<v Speaker 15>were given context, they got jobs, they got paid to

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<v Speaker 15>come here at a humanitarian.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll tell you what, Ralph, and amount of time here.

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<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't bet against anything. It's very possible. Hey, next

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<v Speaker 1>time you call back, I promise I'll give you more time. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>he's gone already, and so am I. Mike Allen, Saturday

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<v Speaker 1>midday