Speaker 1: News Radio seven hundred WLW Mike Gallon and Saturday midday,
Speaker 1: A cold Saturday morning.
Speaker 2: I'm used to this.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 1: I hope everyone had a great Thanksgiving. I know I
Speaker 1: did eight too much. Maybe he had a few German waters,
Speaker 1: but hey, I wasn't driving, so who cares. But on
Speaker 1: a serious note, a sad, sad day on Wednesday of
Speaker 1: this week, of course, that was the day that two
Speaker 1: West Virginia National Guard members. One, interestingly enough, was an
Speaker 1: Airman Air Force member, that's Air Force staff Sergeant Andrew Wolfe,
Speaker 1: apparently attached to this National Guard unit West Virginia, and
Speaker 1: the decedent, the young lady, passed away and Sergeant wolf
Speaker 1: is fighting for his life and so far, so good,
Speaker 1: but apparently it's very serious with him. The young lady,
Speaker 1: twenty years old Army specialist, Sarah Beckstrom. She died from
Speaker 1: her injuries on Thursday. Her father was on TV yesterday
Speaker 1: and obviously it's just indescribable the grief that a father
Speaker 1: would have about that. So we're keeping our hearts open
Speaker 1: and our prayers going for Steph Sergeant wolf and hopefully
Speaker 1: he pulls through. But you know, so many of these
Speaker 1: things they're avoidable or should have been avoidable. This didn't
Speaker 1: need to happen. It just didn't need to happen. And
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, once again, thank you Biden administration. This young lady,
Speaker 1: this twenty year old who, by the way, one of
Speaker 1: the stories I saw said that she said, hey, look,
Speaker 1: I'm twenty, I'm single. I will go in somebody's place
Speaker 1: because the other person probably has a family.
Speaker 2: That's kind of person this young lady was.
Speaker 1: But again, Biden administration didn't need to happen. It happened
Speaker 1: because of the gross negligence of said Biden administration.
Speaker 2: We all remember it.
Speaker 1: I watched it with just utter shock and horror that
Speaker 1: pull out from Afghanistan that the whole world saw. And
Speaker 1: you know what, it's kind of funny after that, that's
Speaker 1: when other countries started challenging us. They let all these
Speaker 1: people in. I don't know, you hear any number of
Speaker 1: different numbers. Thousands. I heard one twenty thousand Afghan nationals
Speaker 1: were let in, supposedly because they thought they would be
Speaker 1: under some kind of fear or death sentence in the
Speaker 1: new administration.
Speaker 2: So we let them in.
Speaker 1: We let them in, and I get it if they
Speaker 1: truly helped Americans truly, then I think we do have
Speaker 1: an obligation to let them in, provided we can properly
Speaker 1: document them and screen them first.
Speaker 2: Well that didn't happen. They were not vetted.
Speaker 1: This guy and I'm gonna mispronounce his name, but I
Speaker 1: couldn't care less.
Speaker 2: They don't like these people.
Speaker 1: Ramadulla Lochandhal twenty nine years of age, and you know,
Speaker 1: looking for a motive, and I've been following the news
Speaker 1: on that as far as a motive goes. One of
Speaker 1: the soldiers, I don't know if it was a deceased
Speaker 1: one or before he died or she died, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: or staff sergeant Wolf, but one of them reported that
Speaker 1: upon shooting and in the process of this, this piece
Speaker 1: of garbage, this piece of human filth uttered akbar. So
Speaker 1: you know what, if you're looking for a motive, just
Speaker 1: stop there. You don't have to go any further at all.
Speaker 1: And once again, completely completely and totally avoidable.
Speaker 2: If we see this over and over and over again.
Speaker 1: And you know the thing about Biden, which is just
Speaker 1: it's still mind boggling. There are people, notably tops on
Speaker 1: the hit Parade doctor Jill, who thought that this man
Speaker 1: could serve another four years in office. That's the true
Speaker 1: scandal of the whole thing. You know, she got all
Speaker 1: wrapped up in the trappings of being first lady is
Speaker 1: Come on, Joe, you can do it for another four
Speaker 1: years while the country continued to suffer. Thank god, thank god,
Speaker 1: thank god, that did not happen.
Speaker 2: That didn't happen.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, I'm sure you've seen on Fox retired
Speaker 1: special agent FBI special agent Nicole Parker. She has been
Speaker 1: all over this stuff as far as the lack of
Speaker 1: vetting and that type of thing. She told Fox News
Speaker 1: Digital that the screening process during the Rush twenty twenty
Speaker 1: one withdrawal was essentially, and I'm quoting her here, a
Speaker 1: free for all, and that's probably being charitable.
Speaker 2: Story goes on.
Speaker 1: Tens of thousands of Afghans were evacuated to the US
Speaker 1: in the wake of the withdrawal and subsequent Taliban takeover
Speaker 1: of the country. The chaotic nature of the operation raised
Speaker 1: concerns at the time for Republicans, again, Republicans being the
Speaker 1: ones that were not asleep at the switch, and official
Speaker 1: and in official reports that some evacuees were not properly
Speaker 1: vetted and could could and that could have catastrophic consequences.
Speaker 2: Do you think well, anyway?
Speaker 1: Retired Special Agent Parker went on to say, they said
Speaker 1: it's a ticking time bomb waiting to explode because we've
Speaker 1: just allowed all these people into our country. You know again,
Speaker 1: you think well? Josh Hawley, as usual, was all over it.
Speaker 1: He revealed that a whistleblower said three hundred and twenty
Speaker 1: four individuals had entered the country with what they're referring
Speaker 1: to as derogatory information. Can't be good, obviously, While a
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two report by the Department of Homeland Securities
Speaker 1: Office of the IG Inspector General separately found the Department
Speaker 1: failed to properly that evacuees entering the US creating a
Speaker 1: potential national security risk. Do you think I mean, it
Speaker 1: doesn't take Einstein to figure out that that would be
Speaker 1: a problem.
Speaker 2: I'll say it again.
Speaker 1: If these people truly have the United States of America
Speaker 1: to their detriment, putting them at risk of payback from
Speaker 1: the Taliban, we should have helped them. But by God,
Speaker 1: we should have vetted them too, And apparently literally no
Speaker 1: or very little vetting took place. Well again, retired Specially
Speaker 1: Agent Parker goes on to say there were individuals, there
Speaker 1: were individuals that were not being recommended to come to
Speaker 1: the United States, yet they were being overridden by the
Speaker 1: Biden State Department. Initially it was a free for all
Speaker 1: and no one was being vetted.
Speaker 2: It's just to see this stuff.
Speaker 1: It still makes me sick and it brings me back
Speaker 1: watching that that bungled pull out. In addition to the
Speaker 1: lives that were lost, and I think it was at
Speaker 1: the time at least eighteen American service members were killed
Speaker 1: during that thing. Million not millions, billions of dollars worth
Speaker 1: of military equipment left behind, hum v's weapons, helicopters, even
Speaker 1: and you know the thing of it is, people are well, Mike,
Speaker 1: Donald Trump said he was going to pull out too,
Speaker 1: and he did, and he did. But by god, I
Speaker 1: know for a fact that there is no way that
Speaker 1: that pullout would have came like it did under Biden
Speaker 1: if it would have been Donald Trump.
Speaker 2: Well, there's a.
Speaker 1: Guy by the name of Jason Pack. He's the chief
Speaker 1: executive officer at an outfit called Media Rep Global Strategies.
Speaker 1: It's a PR and crisis communications firm. He told Fox
Speaker 1: News that it was a massive humanitarian operation true attempted
Speaker 1: I guess humanitarian operation, but it also carried unavoidable risks. Well,
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm sorry, I respectfully disagree with mister Pack.
Speaker 2: It was not unavoidable. It was not.
Speaker 1: I mean, the guiding stars should have been Hey, if
Speaker 1: you ain't vetted properly, you're not getting in.
Speaker 2: You're just not going to get in and send him
Speaker 2: to another country.
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's some that would have taken them, you know,
Speaker 1: the whole thing again, just completely and totally avoidable. President
Speaker 1: Trump yesterday, i think it was yesterday, maybe the day
Speaker 1: before yesterday, was talking to reporters about this and they're
Speaker 1: grilling them about, you know, where they vetted this, that
Speaker 1: and the other.
Speaker 2: President Trump, God love him.
Speaker 1: If a reporter asks him a question that he think
Speaker 1: is either unfair or frankly stupid, he tells them and
Speaker 1: that happened. I want to listen to this because it
Speaker 1: makes me happy. Could you play it please?
Speaker 4: Your dj IG just reported this year that there was thorough.
Speaker 5: Vetting by DHS and by the FBI of these Afghans
Speaker 5: who were brought into the US.
Speaker 6: So why do you blame the Fighten Advisory because they
Speaker 6: let them in? Are you stupid? Are you a stupid person?
Speaker 6: Because they came in on a plane along with thousands
Speaker 6: of other people that shouldn't be here, and you're just
Speaker 6: asking questions because you're a stupid person. And there's a
Speaker 6: law passed that it's almost impossible not to get them out.
Speaker 2: You can't get them out once they come in.
Speaker 6: And they came in and they were unvetted, they were unchecked.
Speaker 6: There were many of them, and they came in on
Speaker 6: big planes and it was disgraceful. And if you look,
Speaker 6: you'll see there was a law pass it makes it
Speaker 6: almost impossible not to let them in, not to certify them,
Speaker 6: so to speak, once they come in, and they came
Speaker 6: in and they shouldn't have come in, and frankly, the
Speaker 6: whole thing was a mess. The whole Afghanistan situation was
Speaker 6: a mess. We shouldn't it should have never taken place.
Speaker 6: If we're going to go out, and we would have
Speaker 6: gone out because I had everybody ready. We were going
Speaker 6: to go out with strength and dignity and precision, and
Speaker 6: we would have left from Bagram, and we would have
Speaker 6: kept Bogram, by the way, because of its very close
Speaker 6: relationship to China and where they make their missiles. But
Speaker 6: when you let the people come in by the thousands
Speaker 6: and thousands and thousands, they made a terrible.
Speaker 2: Mistake, but they weren't competent.
Speaker 1: There you go, I mean, crammed into what about a
Speaker 1: minute and a half. It says it all. They were incompetent.
Speaker 1: You let thousands and thousands and thousands of people in,
Speaker 1: things like this are going to happen. And once again,
Speaker 1: thank you very much. Joe Biden, his administration and he
Speaker 1: were more concerned about making sure we don't violate what
Speaker 1: they considered the rights of people who were not American citizens,
Speaker 1: and American citizens be damned, we don't care about you.
Speaker 1: We're more interested in protecting those people. And in the
Speaker 1: overwhelming majority of cases, some say twenty million people that
Speaker 1: just they trespassed into our country. This one's a little
Speaker 1: bit different. But thank you Donald Trump for recognizing, by
Speaker 1: the way, that was a CBS News reporter asking a
Speaker 1: stupid question. And he is correct, and I love it,
Speaker 1: and I know a lot of other people do when
Speaker 1: he calls them stupid to their face. You know, gone
Speaker 1: are the days when you know, Dan Rather stands up
Speaker 1: and says something, and you know everybody towers in fear. Oh,
Speaker 1: we can't challenge him, We can't challenge CBS News. Well,
Speaker 1: guess what, those days thank you under President Trump are gone.
Speaker 1: Just a little bit more on this thing. This gunman,
Speaker 1: the guy that I talked about. I'm not going to
Speaker 1: repeat his name. And now, by the way, they're seeking
Speaker 1: the death penalty against him, and Afghan national officials say
Speaker 1: he drove all the way across the country, apparently from
Speaker 1: Washington State. I think it was to carry out his attack.
Speaker 1: He was possibly motivated by Islamic extremism, you think. Give
Speaker 1: it reports that one of the soldiers who helped take
Speaker 1: him down, as I said, heard this piece of dung
Speaker 1: yelling Allah achbar during the attack. You know, if anyone
Speaker 1: says anything after that, gee, I wonder what his motives
Speaker 1: were there? You go too, filthy, disgusting, degenerate words that
Speaker 1: those people utter when they are doing something harmful and
Speaker 1: hurtful and deadly to citizens and soldiers of the United
Speaker 1: States of America. But of course, the whole thing not
Speaker 1: Biden's fault. No, it's Donald Trump's fault.
Speaker 2: Again.
Speaker 1: I'm reading from a great article in City Journal that
Speaker 1: came out yesterday.
Speaker 2: Trump's fault.
Speaker 1: Of course, while the attack itself could not have been
Speaker 1: speci predicted, some of the commentary in its wake has
Speaker 1: been politically predictable, you think. Jane Mayer, a vocal Trump critic,
Speaker 1: took to x to blame the President for the tragedy.
Speaker 1: She wrote that guard members, and I'm quoting here, I
Speaker 1: may get sick, but I'm gonna quote it. Guard members
Speaker 1: quote had virtually nothing to do but pick up trash.
Speaker 1: That the Guard's presence in d C was quote for
Speaker 1: political show. That Beckstrom and Wolf, those are the two
Speaker 1: service members should never have been deployed. They weren't needed there.
Speaker 1: I guess that's the gist of it, or at least
Speaker 1: part of it. Well, you know what, you know what,
Speaker 1: miss Mayor, why don't you talk to d C Mayor Bowser?
Speaker 2: Why don't you talk to her?
Speaker 1: Because she and I give her credit for this, I
Speaker 1: didn't expect it. She praised Trump for doing that in DC,
Speaker 1: for driving murder down in that city, Washington, d C.
Speaker 1: So maybe ought to talk to her, a liberal Democrat
Speaker 1: who had the courage to praise the president for his efforts.
Speaker 1: One more on this thing going on in the City
Speaker 1: Journal article again Trump's fault.
Speaker 2: Echoing Jane Mayer. We just heard from her on PBS.
Speaker 1: Former Obama administration official Juliet Cayam criticized the president's decision
Speaker 1: to employ guardsmen in DC, which she said left them
Speaker 1: with an unclear mission that the soldiers service members.
Speaker 2: That quote made them vulnerable.
Speaker 1: In its coverage of the shoote the shooting, the New
Speaker 1: York Times ended a reported piece with a quote from
Speaker 1: a West Virginia resident who blamed the president, stating that
Speaker 1: the guardsmen quote should shouldn't have been there in the
Speaker 1: first place. Well, I'll tell you what that person that
Speaker 1: said that, you know, might make the same claim about
Speaker 1: the discussing piece of dung that killed the soldiers. But yeah,
Speaker 1: apparently the New York Times couldn't find anyone saying so
Speaker 1: for its coverage, which I think the author of this,
Speaker 1: Rafael mang mangu Wow said.
Speaker 2: That tongue in cheek.
Speaker 1: And there's just so much more on this, and we
Speaker 1: will be talking about it throughout the morning. But again,
Speaker 1: a sad day for the United States of America. And
Speaker 1: one more time, thank you Joe Biden. Hey, we got
Speaker 1: to take a break, but we get back. I want
Speaker 1: to hear from you seven four nine, seven thousand, one
Speaker 1: eight hundred. The big one are the numbers, Mike Allen
Speaker 1: Saturday midday as their approven cleuding process uses no soaps, detergents,
Speaker 1: or ours chemicals, so there's no residue Day midday. Got
Speaker 1: some collars here want to be a part of it,
Speaker 1: and we will get to them. And just a second
Speaker 1: here a couple of things, just kind of clean up
Speaker 1: from the from the rant talked about DC Mayor Muriel
Speaker 1: Bowser praising President Trump for putting those National Guard troops there.
Speaker 1: This is from Congress dot gov. It is dated August
Speaker 1: twenty seventh, twenty twenty five. Headline reads DC Mayor Muriel
Speaker 1: Bowser praises Donald Trump's police takeover. Sub headline the city's
Speaker 1: democratic mayor has maintained an unusual working relationship with the
Speaker 1: Republican president. Okay, here's what Mayor Bowser said, and I'm quoting.
Speaker 1: We greatly appreciate the surge of officers that enhance what
Speaker 1: MPD and that must mean Municipal Police Department anyways, the
Speaker 1: DC Police, what MPD has been able to do in
Speaker 1: this city.
Speaker 2: She said that at a press conference.
Speaker 1: She goes on to say the difference being this twenty
Speaker 1: day period of the federal this federal sur and this
Speaker 1: year and last year represents an eighty seven percent reduction
Speaker 1: in carjackings. So for those of you that want to
Speaker 1: blame Trump for this and say those guards men and
Speaker 1: women had no business being there, I would just refer
Speaker 1: you back to liberal But I think kind of gutsy
Speaker 1: mayor bowser, if you want to say that. So, I mean,
Speaker 1: but it is typical though that they would turn around
Speaker 1: and blame it on Trump when.
Speaker 2: All else fails. You know what, that's what you do.
Speaker 1: One more thing before the calls, I was talking about
Speaker 1: the article that I found in the City Journal by
Speaker 1: raphael A. Manguel. I don't know anything about him, but buddy,
Speaker 1: he's right on this one. Just let me read a
Speaker 1: couple of sentences here. Okay, this is what mister Manguel
Speaker 1: says is it's not clear how the presidents to say
Speaker 1: decision and he's referring to the decision to put the
Speaker 1: troops on National Guard in Washington, d C. It's not
Speaker 1: clear how the president's decision created the conditions for a
Speaker 1: deranged Afghan national to leave behind a wife and five
Speaker 1: children drive approximately twenty five hundred miles with a handgun
Speaker 1: and attack soldiers in DC. But the argument sounds an
Speaker 1: awful lot like victim blaming if, in fact, a foreign
Speaker 1: national carrying out an attack in the name of Islam
Speaker 1: was a predictable consequence of the president's decision to deploy
Speaker 1: the National Guard to fortify the streets of Washington, d C. Which, again,
Speaker 1: I would point out the mayor was for against the
Speaker 1: crime plague. And here's the dinger here. Then this country
Speaker 1: has a much bigger problem. Well put, well, put, mister mangwell,
Speaker 1: all right, let's hit the phones.
Speaker 2: Let's talk to Fred.
Speaker 1: He's down in Saint Petersburg, Florida, which would be a
Speaker 1: nice place to be about.
Speaker 4: Now. How you doing, Fred, I'm doing fine.
Speaker 7: The weather is really good. You know, you said there's
Speaker 7: no reason to talk about the motive of this guy.
Speaker 7: He's just a maniac. But at some point our country
Speaker 7: vetted that guy and he was on our side, and
Speaker 7: you know I came.
Speaker 1: Over Hang on, right, I just want to make sure
Speaker 1: you're you're absolutely right. I did say that, but what
Speaker 1: I meant was somewhat tongue in cheek, but not really.
Speaker 1: When you hear a guy yell a la op bar
Speaker 1: while he's killing Americans. I think you know what his
Speaker 1: GD motive is. I'm sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 7: Though, absolutely, but nobody does anything for just one reason.
Speaker 7: His family may have been threatened. There was bad guys
Speaker 7: coming on that plane with him, and those bad guys
Speaker 7: know he was on our side at that time. So
Speaker 7: they're not going to let that guy, uh, you know,
Speaker 7: get away with that. They're they're sneaking around our country
Speaker 7: right now, those bad guys looking for those guys that
Speaker 7: were on our side. And if we don't look at
Speaker 7: it that way, you know, we should protect those guy's families.
Speaker 8: Are that man?
Speaker 1: And I said that in the rent. I couldn't agree
Speaker 1: with you more. But I mean, this is a guy.
Speaker 1: Something happened to him, something turned him. Because I take
Speaker 1: what you're saying, you say it, I believe it that
Speaker 1: the dude really was helping.
Speaker 2: But man, you just wonder what happened to him.
Speaker 7: Yeah, well, he probably expected to die when he did this.
Speaker 7: There is a lot worse things he could have done.
Speaker 7: I mean, you know, for Bacca or whatever he said,
Speaker 7: there's a lot worse things he could.
Speaker 4: Have done well like that, I mean, except hell, he could.
Speaker 7: Have bombed up a building or something.
Speaker 2: Well, I get that what he did is enough.
Speaker 7: Yeah, absolutely, there's no doubt about that. But I bet
Speaker 7: you his family was threatened and he said, well, okay,
Speaker 7: I'll do this if you leave my family alone. And
Speaker 7: he let it at that, and I just in the
Speaker 7: back of my mind, I think there's more to this,
Speaker 7: and we probably won't hear about it because they can't
Speaker 7: let it out. If they let it out, then you know,
Speaker 7: the family will go kill the family. Yeah, if this
Speaker 7: guy talks, If this guy talks and it gets out
Speaker 7: of the bag that he's talked, then those bad guys
Speaker 7: are going to go after the families of these guys
Speaker 7: that were on our side.
Speaker 2: I understand.
Speaker 7: Can't believe our government's I can't believe our governments not
Speaker 7: protecting their families more than they are. I just can't
Speaker 7: believe this.
Speaker 2: Well, you know what to do, and you make good points, Fred,
Speaker 2: you do.
Speaker 1: But the thing of it is, if Joe Biden and
Speaker 1: the Biden administration were going to let that many people.
Speaker 2: In and I get it, you know, it was like.
Speaker 1: When we withdrew from Vietnam, which was an orderly withdrawal
Speaker 1: compared to this thing. I think the United States of
Speaker 1: America I know because I've read about it, made a
Speaker 1: real effort, in a pretty successful effort, to protect those
Speaker 1: people that helped us, those that were able to get out,
Speaker 1: and we should do it.
Speaker 2: Look, by god, what twenty twenty one? Where are we?
Speaker 2: Almost twenty twenty six? That could have been done, They
Speaker 2: could have been.
Speaker 7: You know, the news is the saying Biden did this.
Speaker 7: You know, you know, Biden didn't know what the hell
Speaker 7: was going on.
Speaker 9: He didn't The people.
Speaker 7: Behind him were running the country. They did this, and
Speaker 7: they knew what they were doing. Remember what Obama said,
Speaker 7: We're gonna fundamentally change this country. Yeah, and they've been
Speaker 7: two hundred ever since then.
Speaker 1: All right, Fred, thanks for the cost. Okay, thank you. Hey,
Speaker 1: enjoy that weather. Yeah, he's down there in Saint Petersburg. Man,
Speaker 1: I'm jealous. Okay, let's see, let's see. Let's talk to
Speaker 1: Dale in Waynesville. Hey, good morning, Dale, what you got
Speaker 1: for us?
Speaker 4: All right?
Speaker 2: How you doing? I'm good, I'm good.
Speaker 4: But good good? Great? Uh, well, you know a couple
Speaker 4: of things.
Speaker 10: Uh, you know, the guy was right about Biden. You know,
Speaker 10: I've never never liked Joe even way back in his past.
Speaker 10: Uh he was just super strange. But towards the end,
Speaker 10: I kind of felt sorry for Joe because he didn't
Speaker 10: even know what he had for breakfast this morning, you know,
Speaker 10: And and you know things like that. Uh so, you know,
Speaker 10: And and this guy, like we say, drill clear across
Speaker 10: the country, why when he when he had National guardsmen
Speaker 10: to shoot at practically next.
Speaker 2: Door's good point.
Speaker 10: I don't know if anybody anybody ever thought about that
Speaker 10: or not.
Speaker 1: That's a good point. I mean, he was motivated somehow.
Speaker 1: In my previous call, I respect what he said, and
Speaker 1: I agree with a lot of it, but you know,
Speaker 1: my god, you just can't explain this away.
Speaker 10: No, no, there's no explanation for this except for the
Speaker 10: evilness of of this guy's motivation.
Speaker 2: Of those people. I'm not of those people.
Speaker 1: I do not like them, and I don't think I
Speaker 1: ever will.
Speaker 4: That's true.
Speaker 10: That's true in my in my honest opinion, all right,
Speaker 10: I think that there should be a point of view
Speaker 10: where that what happened to these these kids who were
Speaker 10: just doing their job.
Speaker 4: Uh and and and this guy.
Speaker 10: Shot there's there should be volunteers from his gardens, his
Speaker 10: fellow guardsmen, to go in there, and and you know
Speaker 10: you could, you could get as many as you wanted,
Speaker 10: probably take about ten of them, and and you know,
Speaker 10: it was just you know, that's my opinion.
Speaker 4: It should be.
Speaker 10: This should be stopped, and it should be uh should
Speaker 10: be stopped something it could be.
Speaker 2: Something needs to be done.
Speaker 11: Dale.
Speaker 1: Hey, I appreciate the call. I got a bunch to
Speaker 1: get to though. Thank you. You know, I mean, I
Speaker 1: understand what he's saying. I understand the frustration. I share
Speaker 1: in the frustration these people. They're the two guardsmen, men
Speaker 1: and women. You know, they were doing their job. They
Speaker 1: were doing what they signed up to do. And to
Speaker 1: say that, well, you know, they never should have been
Speaker 1: there in the first place. Well, you know, number one,
Speaker 1: contrary to what those six Democrats this week said about
Speaker 1: ignoring orders, they were ordered to be there by the
Speaker 1: President of the United States, and it is specifically cited,
Speaker 1: it's either in a statute or in the oath that
Speaker 1: they shall obey those orders. But you know, I guess
Speaker 1: that's a different situation here. I don't know. Hey, let's
Speaker 1: talk to our friend Bobby J. Hey, Bobby J. What's up?
Speaker 4: My brother?
Speaker 9: A simple thank you can't express our true feelings of appreciation.
Speaker 9: You keep holding that torture freedom buy and bright my well,
Speaker 9: thank you. I don't have a crystal ball out, but
Speaker 9: we've all been in different things in our country.
Speaker 4: But this individual, you have to look at it.
Speaker 9: That person has the will, the desire, and the means
Speaker 9: they're going to pretty much so complete their task. And
Speaker 9: all you can do is try to critique their actions
Speaker 9: after their operations. And you know that being in the military. Yep.
Speaker 9: If you look at the Department of Justice and what
Speaker 9: they looked into, this is called neoistic violence extremism. Right now,
Speaker 9: we're having a cultural revolution where you are groups you know,
Speaker 9: I mean they just went ahead and had the Islamic Brotherhood.
Speaker 9: You know, they're a terrorist organization.
Speaker 1: Now, well, Bobby, Bobby, but whatever you do, whatever you do,
Speaker 1: don't criticize them. You know, you might be called an islamophobe.
Speaker 1: Of course I say that tongue in cheek.
Speaker 9: My friend. You could call me anything you want to,
Speaker 9: because it's just not a patterned distraction. Now, people need
Speaker 9: to be resilience. You know, resilience is being traded for comfort.
Speaker 9: People need to understand that that this is just an
Speaker 9: isolated incident, but expected to come a lot more.
Speaker 2: There's no question about it.
Speaker 1: No, And you know what, if Joe Biden were still
Speaker 1: in office, God forbid, Bobby, I mean, we would be
Speaker 1: seeing a lot more of this stuff.
Speaker 2: I believe I do too, my friend.
Speaker 4: Yep.
Speaker 9: But I appreciate you taking my call, and I know
Speaker 9: you've got a lot of little callers. I just want
Speaker 9: everybody to be resilient, and I always think it could
Speaker 9: be at your doorstep at any more.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, absolutely, thank you.
Speaker 1: I appreciate the all right, all right, you know what,
Speaker 1: And he's right too, it could be any one of us.
Speaker 1: I have a daughter in the service in the army,
Speaker 1: so many other people do, and it could be them.
Speaker 1: It could be them. And he's right about that. Hey,
Speaker 1: we've got time for one more. Let's talk to Joe
Speaker 1: in Lexington. I got a couple of minutes.
Speaker 2: Here, Joe. What you got.
Speaker 3: Hey, Mike, Uh, you know, I just want to say
Speaker 3: I like to take the fingerprints off Biden.
Speaker 4: That narrative of Biden.
Speaker 3: I wish we'd just say Obama because it lays solely
Speaker 3: on Obama and and uh, you know, uh, the only
Speaker 3: thing I could say is, uh, he changed the whole culture.
Speaker 3: And you don't see Christians going around killing people, no,
Speaker 3: like like like Islam. And if you know, and if
Speaker 3: Christians get together, Conservatives get together anything, and they raise
Speaker 3: any kind of focus and awareness about what's going on.
Speaker 4: We're labeled radical.
Speaker 1: Yeah, radical, you are so right, you are so And
Speaker 1: guess what if they do it to me, which they've done,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna wear it as a badge of honor.
Speaker 2: I don't care. I don't care.
Speaker 3: Well well, yeah, And one thing that really ticks me
Speaker 3: off about Islam as being woke up when I go
Speaker 3: to Nairobi, but five o'clock born in prayer, I can't
Speaker 3: even get sleep.
Speaker 4: It's like an automatic, you know, alarm clock. You know,
Speaker 4: they do it all loud speakers of the prayers.
Speaker 3: But you know, just like Grisha. You know those children
Speaker 3: have got killed in Kenya, you know about twelve fifteen
Speaker 3: years ago, butchered.
Speaker 4: And I mean the list goes on and on. We're
Speaker 4: on time for that.
Speaker 3: But all I'm saying is Obama's getting a free pass. Sure,
Speaker 3: we talk about it, and we know the autopan, but
Speaker 3: it's totally, totally, totally Obama has had twelve years in
Speaker 3: the presidency twelve years.
Speaker 1: It's a good point. I gotta let you go, Joe. Yeah,
Speaker 1: thanks for the God, it's a very good point. And
Speaker 1: a lot of people, a lot of people feel that way,
Speaker 1: you know. And the relationship between those two, Obama and
Speaker 1: Biden apparently has gone way way south.
Speaker 2: And I get the distinct impression. And others have.
Speaker 1: Said too that that Biden was envious of Obama, and
Speaker 1: you know, I think that comes through loud and clear.
Speaker 1: But the thing of it is, and I have to
Speaker 1: get out of here in a second to think that
Speaker 1: there were people that thought that that man could be
Speaker 1: the president of the United States into the year twenty
Speaker 1: twenty nine. They need to have their head examined. Can
Speaker 1: you imagine as bad as Kamala would have been? I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, well, and I'm pretty sure she probably would
Speaker 1: have ended up being president. He wouldn't have made it
Speaker 1: through his second term, God forbid he got one.
Speaker 2: At any rate.
Speaker 1: Hey, we do have to take a break for the news,
Speaker 1: but when we come back, we're gonna switch gears a
Speaker 1: little bit cheap. Tita saph Thigi of this sincey police Department.
Speaker 1: In my humble opinion, a lot of other people was
Speaker 1: made the scapegoat for the crime problem in this city
Speaker 1: during the election season, and have a family member from
Speaker 1: the Neville family, the premiere law enforcement family in this community,
Speaker 1: wrote a great op ed this week in The Inquirer.
Speaker 1: We're going to talk to that person. We get back
Speaker 1: Mike Allen, Saturday Midday News Radio seven hundred WLW. Mike
Speaker 1: Allen with our two of the Saturday midday program. Well,
Speaker 1: you know what, you see a pattern a lot during
Speaker 1: the silly season. Election time issues come up and they're
Speaker 1: red hot during the election season, but then when the
Speaker 1: election is held, sometimes they go away. Well, this is
Speaker 1: one that is not going to go away, and I'll
Speaker 1: do my level best to make sure that it doesn't.
Speaker 1: And I know a lot of other people think that
Speaker 1: as well. Talking of course about Cincinnati Police Chief Thiji
Speaker 1: being the scapegoat for the crime problems downtown. She's now
Speaker 1: on administrative leave. Why nobody seems to know She's got
Speaker 1: a strong, strong family. As I said before, the Neville
Speaker 1: family is in my opinion, at least, the premiere law
Speaker 1: enforcement family in this area. But a member of that family,
Speaker 1: Rob Neville, who is not a member of law enforcement,
Speaker 1: wrote this week a great op ed piece basically headlined
Speaker 1: police chief Fiji wasn't the problem, but city Hall made
Speaker 1: her one. And boy, I'll tell you what, that nails
Speaker 1: it right there talking about Rob Neville.
Speaker 2: Rob, thanks so much for calling in this morning. Are
Speaker 2: you there.
Speaker 11: That's nice to be here with you.
Speaker 1: Okay, Hey, you know what great op ed, Rob, And
Speaker 1: I mean that kind of walk us through.
Speaker 2: What you said in the op ed.
Speaker 1: You got a great timeline and then follow it up
Speaker 1: with some really good and relevant points about what's going
Speaker 1: on in this city with respect to crime. So I'm
Speaker 1: gonna turn it over for you to you for the
Speaker 1: time being, just kind of lay it out for us.
Speaker 11: Yeah, sort of thing. So I think, you know, I
Speaker 11: do sort of have a unique perspective on this because
Speaker 11: you know, like you said, I'm not somebody that's in
Speaker 11: law enforcement. You know, my background is more finance.
Speaker 4: You know, I'm a parent.
Speaker 11: And you know, I'm a downtown professional. My fiance has
Speaker 11: a business downtown. I have some friends that have businesses
Speaker 11: and outr you know, so for me, crime is obviously
Speaker 11: that is something that is important because you know, you
Speaker 11: talk to business owners and you know obviously that impacts
Speaker 11: the business and then I never really dove too deep
Speaker 11: into it. I try, you know, I try not to
Speaker 11: get too deep into politic just because you know, it's
Speaker 11: just not my thing necessarily, So I tried to, you know,
Speaker 11: I focus more on different different things in life, like
Speaker 11: you know, sports and things like that. But then, you know,
Speaker 11: once Terry was put on administrative lead by the city manager,
Speaker 11: you know, I really started to dig into it. I'm like, okay,
Speaker 11: I need to understand it's like what is going on here?
Speaker 11: And then it really blew me away, like it really did.
Speaker 11: It like struck me to the core when I started
Speaker 11: digging into it.
Speaker 4: And like you said, like the pattern.
Speaker 11: The pattern to me just was so clear of like
Speaker 11: the amount of people that had prior offenses that were
Speaker 11: committing violent crimes. And you know, I went through it
Speaker 11: in the op ed like Kyle Merrick, he was he
Speaker 11: was he was fatally shot by fifteen year old with
Speaker 11: sixteen charges. Laura Schuler was murdered by a man out
Speaker 11: on bond for aggravated roberty cut off his ankle monitor
Speaker 11: And then I think a lot of people in Cincinnati
Speaker 11: are familiar with the Army veteran Patrick Herringer, who was
Speaker 11: stabbed to death by a parole league who had cut
Speaker 11: off the anchor monitor. And then really the one I
Speaker 11: think that really shocked me to the core was when
Speaker 11: I read about Shaquille Ferguson. And Shaquille Ferguson was the
Speaker 11: person who allegedly, you know, shot at somebody getting downtown
Speaker 11: on Fountain Square and then you read about it and
Speaker 11: so you get into it and he was actually on
Speaker 11: parole and he had pistol with somebody, knocked the guy's
Speaker 11: teeth out and served zero jail time. And not just
Speaker 11: that the guy that he knocked the teeth out of
Speaker 11: was actually trying to stop him and his friends from
Speaker 11: kicking an elderly woman on a metro bus. And it's
Speaker 11: like you just like you read all of that and
Speaker 11: you're just like wait, wait, what, like is that even possible?
Speaker 4: Again?
Speaker 11: You know, I'm not somebody that digs into like the crime,
Speaker 11: and you read that and it just shocks you.
Speaker 1: Well, you know what, rob let me, let me, let
Speaker 1: me do this. We are pressed for time, but we
Speaker 1: got plenty of time as now. But you end that
Speaker 1: timeline with I mean, it's amazing. I'm just going to
Speaker 1: read it as I write this seven individuals charged with
Speaker 1: murder are free on bond in our city. Then you
Speaker 1: go into an excellent summation, especially for someone who's not
Speaker 1: law enforcement.
Speaker 2: Of how the system fails.
Speaker 1: Could you kind of pick it up at that point,
Speaker 1: especially with respect to judicial unaccountability.
Speaker 11: Yeah, And I think I think the thing that really
Speaker 11: came through from me too is like what brought me
Speaker 11: to all of this was my aunt being placed on leave,
Speaker 11: right like a hold on. My aunt was trying to
Speaker 11: bring these people together, like she identified this this year.
Speaker 11: That's what blew me away, and that's what to me,
Speaker 11: it almost felt like she was putting pressure on people
Speaker 11: and trying to get the judges involved in, you know,
Speaker 11: because ultimately they're the ones who are setting these bonds
Speaker 11: and you know, determining whether or not somebody can walk
Speaker 11: the streets again. And she was trying to she identified
Speaker 11: this pattern, you know, like this is something that she
Speaker 11: obviously is very close to. She saw this, she tried
Speaker 11: to bring together all the all the leaders, you know,
Speaker 11: like the Police Chiefs Association and some of the other
Speaker 11: leaders that are you know, crime is. You got to
Speaker 11: think of it as like a timeline, and there's a
Speaker 11: lot of parts to it. So she's trying to bring
Speaker 11: everybody together to say, hey, look, you know we're arresting
Speaker 11: these people. You know what is going on here. Let's
Speaker 11: try to fix the you know, the root cause.
Speaker 4: Of this issue.
Speaker 11: So to me, I think it does and this is
Speaker 11: where the irony comes in. So she brought all those
Speaker 11: people together, and then the judicial, you know, the Quarter
Speaker 11: common Please, said oh, sorry, we can't join that meeting.
Speaker 11: You know, that could violate our independence. But in that
Speaker 11: same vein, then they will say, oh, by the way,
Speaker 11: we we welcome public criticism. You know, we believe in transparency,
Speaker 11: we believe in accountability. It's like, okay, then then who
Speaker 11: are you accountable to? You know, if you won't join
Speaker 11: these meetings, you won't have these discussions. I just feel
Speaker 11: like the judges are hiding, and that's why that the
Speaker 11: politicians had to escape Poetary because like, oh wait, wait,
Speaker 11: we can't go to the judges kind to put the
Speaker 11: spot right there, right because you're gonna find somebody else
Speaker 11: to put the spotlight on. And it's just the irony
Speaker 11: of it. I think that's what's so frustrating, is like
Speaker 11: our city is led by people at the end of
Speaker 11: the day are incompetent. You know, it's a little bit frustrating.
Speaker 11: It's like, you expect these leaders of our city to
Speaker 11: be able to care for our safety, and it's like
Speaker 11: they're doing a complete opposite. They're taking out somebody who
Speaker 11: has the most power, the most knowledge, the most experience
Speaker 11: to be able to solve the problem, bring the people together, and.
Speaker 1: Someone with an unvarnished record. You know, it makes no
Speaker 1: sense to me.
Speaker 11: Yeah, no, me either. And you know, and like you said,
Speaker 11: we don't have a ton of time, so I do
Speaker 11: want to get into you know, there is a potential,
Speaker 11: you know, way that this could be improved, and people
Speaker 11: have done it before. It's the if any of your
Speaker 11: links listeners are interested there you can look at Harris County,
Speaker 11: Texas put together. It's a dashboard where all of the sentences,
Speaker 11: all the bonds. Like yeah, you're gonna have a dashboard
Speaker 11: right now that says bo crimes committed while dependant on
Speaker 11: bond for one plus fello in the episode by Court.
Speaker 11: Do you can see visually?
Speaker 4: Okay?
Speaker 11: You know, like for example, that thought experiment here is
Speaker 11: what if I told you that in Hamilton County eighty
Speaker 11: percent of the violent criminals that are repeat offenders were
Speaker 11: let out on low bond by ex judge.
Speaker 2: What if I told you that, well, I'll tell you
Speaker 2: what that'd be.
Speaker 11: Wow.
Speaker 1: In Ohio, obviously, you know, we elect our judges, and
Speaker 1: that is exactly the information that citizens need to have
Speaker 1: before they vote.
Speaker 11: And then you get into it. Something else that is
Speaker 11: really crazy about this situation is very timely is ThunderMan.
Speaker 11: She lost by two hundred most roughly two hundred. That's crazy, crazy,
Speaker 11: slim margin, right, But she was somebody who was actually
Speaker 11: speaking out against this great judging a Facebook post by
Speaker 11: Sarah Herringer and she said, in this entire process, you know,
Speaker 11: the two names that I can tell you. She was
Speaker 11: working with my aunt on some legislation to be able
Speaker 11: to fix some of this, you know, the stuff with
Speaker 11: cutting off the hun com owners. But she said, Smitherman
Speaker 11: and Sunderman are two names that I can tell you
Speaker 11: are look at this clear eye, ye, and then you,
Speaker 11: I mean, you find out that she was one that
Speaker 11: lost by two hundred votes. It's like, what if Sunderman
Speaker 11: was the best out of all these judges and not
Speaker 11: having repeat violent offenders on the streets. Nobody knows it's
Speaker 11: like we have this system that is broken, you have
Speaker 11: no information available. I'm a finance guy, I like you
Speaker 11: Dasbard the information. If I'm a voter, I want to
Speaker 11: know who's putting viral criminals back on the street, right,
Speaker 11: like we deserve to know that.
Speaker 9: You know, you could have this.
Speaker 1: I couldn't agree with you more, Rob, I mean, what'd
Speaker 1: you think? And I know you're not an FOP member,
Speaker 1: but well, that'd be a good job for the FOP.
Speaker 1: And don't get me wrong, they do wonderful work. But
Speaker 1: I'm going to check out that Harris County thing you
Speaker 1: were talking about because that's exactly what voters need to know,
Speaker 1: and I think the.
Speaker 11: FOP would fully support this. I think it's one of
Speaker 11: those things where you know, it's maybe it's it's a
Speaker 11: little bit like, you know, esoteric in a way, so
Speaker 11: not everybody is necessarily see this. I think it's a
Speaker 11: relatively recent problem. I was talking to Terry a little
Speaker 11: bit and she said, you know, the chief of police
Speaker 11: in Indianapolis they're having similar issues. So I don't know
Speaker 11: if this is more of a nuanced news thing, But
Speaker 11: I mean, who wouldn't love to have access to all
Speaker 11: of this information. I think some of the you know,
Speaker 11: if you think about it, if you're a business leader,
Speaker 11: this is something that I could see you being very supportive.
Speaker 11: If you have a business downtown, crime is incredibly important
Speaker 11: to your abilities. Yeah, think about the you know, think
Speaker 11: about the reds, the bangles that see Cincinnati. You don't
Speaker 11: want your fans being worried about crime, right. So it's
Speaker 11: like the business leaders could easily come together and you
Speaker 11: could do a partnership with the University of Cincinnati to help,
Speaker 11: you know, put some of this data together. All it takes,
Speaker 11: I think at the end of the day, is the
Speaker 11: leaders having the you know, the motivation, I guess the information,
Speaker 11: and then people really taking this like okay, let's call
Speaker 11: you at your word, Hamlichotonic quartercom of Police. If you
Speaker 11: believe in public criticism, accountability and transparency, explain to us
Speaker 11: why that we should not have access to all this information.
Speaker 11: Right as citizens, we deserve this information. I can't see
Speaker 11: a world where anybody would be against this unless they
Speaker 11: were trying to.
Speaker 2: Hot exactly exactly. And you know what.
Speaker 1: The information is somewhat available through the Clerk of Courts website,
Speaker 1: which is excellent with respect to you know, the situation
Speaker 1: with who got convicted of what that kind of thing.
Speaker 1: But it's just an impossible task because it's everywhere. Somebody
Speaker 1: needs to condense it. And I think that's what you're
Speaker 1: talking about, and I think that's what we need.
Speaker 11: Yeah, a lot of it is pen and paper, like
Speaker 11: you would have to go down there. I have the documents.
Speaker 11: There's no data that's available at your fingertips. You know.
Speaker 11: If you're investigative journalist, you know, you can look at
Speaker 11: these trends and you can do a lot of you know,
Speaker 11: different slices and dices of the data. And I think
Speaker 11: one other thing I do want to mention is if
Speaker 11: you think about this, think about the asymmetry in you know,
Speaker 11: the expectations for the police officers to have body cameras
Speaker 11: that follow their every single meeting, right and the transparency
Speaker 11: we expect from the police officers. And then you think
Speaker 11: about that in contrast with the judges. It's like nobody
Speaker 11: really understands what's going on down there because we don't
Speaker 11: have access to the information. It's it's like I think
Speaker 11: that somebody, you know it needs to call out the
Speaker 11: asymmetry there. And it is funny because I do remember
Speaker 11: my aunt one time just seeing a video clip on
Speaker 11: one of the news and they were at a like
Speaker 11: a crash and an officer had been involved in a crash,
Speaker 11: and the news is asking questions about the other person's
Speaker 11: in crash, and then before the interview wrapped up, my
Speaker 11: aunt goes and just so everybody knows, the police officer's okay,
Speaker 11: I know you guys don't ever ask that, you know,
Speaker 11: And that to me is just the type of person
Speaker 11: that she is, as the type of leader that she is,
Speaker 11: and I think, you know, we need other leaders to
Speaker 11: voice this, to bring this up to you know, the
Speaker 11: public kind of awareness. It's like, we should expect the
Speaker 11: same transparency of our judges and the judicial system as
Speaker 11: we expect from our police officers.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1: If you're going to elect them, you ought to be
Speaker 1: able to without a hell of a lot of work
Speaker 1: on your own, know what their record is on sentencing,
Speaker 1: on bonds and things like that. And you know what,
Speaker 1: I think that's just sitting there rob waiting for somebody
Speaker 1: to take the bull by the horns on it.
Speaker 11: I really think about the you know, think about the
Speaker 11: news organizations that could take this right, Like, who doesn't
Speaker 11: want more access to information? And again it goes back
Speaker 11: to like we can improve. I think sometimes it can
Speaker 11: get lost on people because there's just so much information
Speaker 11: in today's society. Sure, you know, you do have the
Speaker 11: ability if you're somebody out there that's listening and your
Speaker 11: business member, you're part of some of these committees. You know,
Speaker 11: if you're somebody who was in a community that has
Speaker 11: had violent crime, repeat offenders, right like, you have a
Speaker 11: voice in this. You know, our family went down to
Speaker 11: the town hall meeting on Tuesday, open form. Anybody can
Speaker 11: go down there demand this of your city council members.
Speaker 11: They might not the ones to actually enacted, but then
Speaker 11: they can put you, you know, with the right people,
Speaker 11: they can actually begin to create some momentum behind this.
Speaker 11: They can make this happen. You know. So I think
Speaker 11: that the individual should feel more empowered than they might realize. Again,
Speaker 11: two hundred votes that it came down to in front
Speaker 11: of them. This is Cincinnati. We're not talking about global politics.
Speaker 11: We're talking about Cincinnati, your community. You have a boys
Speaker 11: you can make a difference, like anybody out there. You know,
Speaker 11: if I'm a business leader downtown, you know, one think
Speaker 11: about the public companies. Right, if I'm Kroger p and
Speaker 11: G if I'm Great American, Hey, do I want my
Speaker 11: employees walking around downtown in an area where there could
Speaker 11: be a murderer walking next to them? No, I don't
Speaker 11: write like you are responsible for the safety of your people.
Speaker 11: You want to have, you know, a society where we
Speaker 11: can feel safe walking around.
Speaker 1: Well, you know what, And unfortunately we're almost out of time.
Speaker 1: Got a couple minutes, but this is such a good
Speaker 1: op ed. But another sentence that stood out to me.
Speaker 1: And you talk about what we've just been talking about, accountability,
Speaker 1: and you say, imagine firefighters repeatedly extinguishing fires in a
Speaker 1: building while someone keeps setting new ones. Cincinnati police are
Speaker 1: putting out the fires, but the arsonists keep being released.
Speaker 1: I mean that says it so well. That's a perfect example.
Speaker 11: Yeah, And I think you know what that analogy actually
Speaker 11: highlights as well, is the severity of the problem that
Speaker 11: we're dealing with, right yep, like a fire, this is
Speaker 11: a fire, right Like people are out there committing murders,
Speaker 11: they killing people. But this is not you know, just
Speaker 11: like this is not some everyday mundane tasks like the
Speaker 11: weight in the gravity of these decisions by the court
Speaker 11: and the judges cannot be understated, right like this is,
Speaker 11: this is.
Speaker 2: And you can't.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, you can't overstate that, Rob, you really can't.
Speaker 1: Got about a minute if you want to sum up,
Speaker 1: And again, I would urge people to go to the
Speaker 1: Inquirer's website and read this because it's a very good
Speaker 1: op ed.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 11: Yeah, And you know, one thing I do want to say,
Speaker 11: just as we wrap up is, you know, I was
Speaker 11: talking to Terry yesterday and it's you know, it's unfortunate
Speaker 11: what happened to her. I think that it's incredibly disgraceful.
Speaker 11: What city leaders did. You know, There's so many things
Speaker 11: about that that were just wrong in the way they
Speaker 11: did it.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 11: I think that they deserve to apologize to her when
Speaker 11: this is all said and done, and I hope that's
Speaker 11: done publicly. But one one other thing that I do
Speaker 11: just kind of want to want to say, you.
Speaker 2: Got to do it quickly.
Speaker 11: Yeah, So this could be Terry's legacy, Like, at the
Speaker 11: end of the day, if you can get something like
Speaker 11: this judicial accountability and this oversight and transparency, that could
Speaker 11: be her lifelong legacy. That really that it's meaningful.
Speaker 1: At the end of the day, I agree. Well, I
Speaker 1: tell you what, I sure appreciate you calling in. This
Speaker 1: is a great op ed piece, and I'm going to
Speaker 1: continue to follow the story and again I really appreciates
Speaker 1: your point.
Speaker 2: Of view on it.
Speaker 11: Yeah, I appreciate it.
Speaker 4: Thank you very much much.
Speaker 2: Okay, thanks Rob.
Speaker 1: You know, for a guy that's not in law enforce man,
Speaker 1: he absolutely nails it. It really is a great op
Speaker 1: ed piece. And you know, it's like I said in
Speaker 1: the intro to this thing. During election time, you hear
Speaker 1: all about it. Then election goes by and you don't
Speaker 1: hear much at all. And you know, in this in
Speaker 1: this state, we elect our judges, So people ought to
Speaker 1: be able to have that information because what he's saying
Speaker 1: in this thing is absolutely right. Hey, we got to
Speaker 1: take a break button. When we get back, we are
Speaker 1: going to talk to our legal analyst, one of our
Speaker 1: legal analysts, James Bogan, once again with a story of
Speaker 1: biological men pretending to be women. You're going to love
Speaker 1: to hear this one what this sport is. And then second,
Speaker 1: the University of are you ready Minnesota now has a
Speaker 1: course or they're talking about the whiteness pandemic, and we're
Speaker 1: gonna talk to James about that when we get back.
Speaker 1: Mike Allen, Saturday Midday, thirty seven News Radio seven hundred
Speaker 1: WLW Mike Allen Saturday Midday. Well, I'll tell you what,
Speaker 1: yet another example of a biological man pretending to be
Speaker 1: a woman. This one is a little bit different just
Speaker 1: because of the sport.
Speaker 2: And I guess it's a sport.
Speaker 1: But let's talk to the guy who keeps track of
Speaker 1: these things for us, talking about Attorney James Bogan. James
Speaker 1: has a wonderful, wonderful podcast and again I forget the name, James.
Speaker 2: Could you help me.
Speaker 10: Out past the clock?
Speaker 1: Okay, you know what when you get to be my
Speaker 1: age at stuff, But sorry about that anyway, tell us
Speaker 1: about the official strong Man Games. But before you do that, James,
Speaker 1: I have just a very brief clip of a guy
Speaker 1: by the name of Jamie Booker. Who's who's the man
Speaker 1: pretending to be a biological woman? Could you play that
Speaker 1: just a little bit of it?
Speaker 2: Please?
Speaker 11: Liam my coach obviously and asked women and it was
Speaker 11: an honor just to even share.
Speaker 1: The scene review, you know, said, I just wanted to
Speaker 1: give you a flavor for it, James, could you pick
Speaker 1: it up and tell us what this is all about.
Speaker 8: Yeah, this individual Janie Booker came out of nowhere and
Speaker 8: dominated the women's open class at the official strong Well,
Speaker 8: can I ask you.
Speaker 1: What these strong Man Games are? Tell us about that,
Speaker 1: because I have.
Speaker 8: Heard it's a premier event for in strength athletics.
Speaker 10: It's actually a very big organization.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 8: This isn't like power conventional power lifting or Olympic weightlifting.
Speaker 4: This is where they'll do uh.
Speaker 8: Lifts and tests like log presses, farmers walks, Well, the
Speaker 8: farmers walks, they pick up a very large amount of
Speaker 8: weight and carry it one hundred feet with a sixty
Speaker 8: second time limit.
Speaker 4: Women do it.
Speaker 8: Women do this with around two hundred and twenty five
Speaker 8: pounds and in the open division, and you know log presses,
Speaker 8: they'll with the open division they do it with two
Speaker 8: hundred and fifty pounds, where it's basically a big log.
Speaker 4: You know it's it's not.
Speaker 8: An actual cut log, it's you know, a shaped log
Speaker 8: with big handles where you power clean it and press
Speaker 8: it up for as many reps as you can. And
Speaker 8: with the women's open keg or they do it with
Speaker 8: up to two hundred and fifty pounds and basically this
Speaker 8: was their world championships and you have over four hundred
Speaker 8: male and female athletes from over forty countries. And the
Speaker 8: reason why this is a big deal with women is
Speaker 8: that there's definitely there's actually quite a bit of money
Speaker 8: in it for prize money and then plus you get
Speaker 8: sponsorships boosting credentials to attract clients as a trainer. So
Speaker 8: this isn't just some amateur competition where if you lose, okay,
Speaker 8: no big deal. There's actually potential livelihoods on the line here.
Speaker 1: Okay, I got you, you know in what you sent
Speaker 1: me talking about Jamie Booker. We just heard from him
Speaker 1: her she is about four inches taller and eighty pounds
Speaker 1: heavier than the closest competitor. I think you would have
Speaker 1: to say that's not real fair, wouldn't you say?
Speaker 8: Yeah? Jamie Booker listed six five four hundred pounds and
Speaker 8: now the that was just the nearest person as far
Speaker 8: as weight. The one runner of Andrea Thompson from who's
Speaker 8: from England. She is five five to two hundred and
Speaker 8: sixty five pounds. And just to illustrate size, there's that
Speaker 8: famous former men's champion Eddie Hall. He's quite the Internet
Speaker 8: personality now. He was sixty two, three hundred and fifty
Speaker 8: nine pounds at the time of his peak. But again,
Speaker 8: don't let the height and weight fool you. I've discussed
Speaker 8: that in other shows with You, episodes with You where
Speaker 8: he trust me. Eddie Hall can lift exponentially more than
Speaker 8: these two. But anyway, what happened with Jamie Booker is
Speaker 8: Booker just came out of nowhere, entered the strong woman
Speaker 8: competition and dominated, and just came out of nowhere and.
Speaker 4: As a woman.
Speaker 8: And while the Official Strongman Games organizers have a rules
Speaker 8: about that where you can only participate in your gender,
Speaker 8: Booker basically tried to pull the rug over their eyes
Speaker 8: on this one. And what happened is after the competition
Speaker 8: a number of competit female competitors sent the organizers some
Speaker 8: house I say, videos from Booker's prior online career, pornographic
Speaker 8: stuff that verily clearly showed that Booker is a man.
Speaker 2: Why how did it get that far? James?
Speaker 1: I mean, wouldn't they have to submit to blood tests
Speaker 1: and things like that.
Speaker 4: They don't.
Speaker 8: They don't seem to have that with official Strongman games.
Speaker 8: But I'm sure they're putting they're looking at putting more
Speaker 8: safeguards in place now, because right when they found out
Speaker 8: about it, they disqualified Booker and resorted the placement places accordingly.
Speaker 1: Okay, so it sounds like maybe, at least with respect
Speaker 1: to this particular sport, if you will, it's case closed.
Speaker 2: They cleaned it up.
Speaker 12: Yeah, they looks like that.
Speaker 8: I mean, they can't swooped in and cleaned it up
Speaker 8: right away. And to their credit, this is not an
Speaker 8: organization that's run by some Ivory Tower liberals who want
Speaker 8: to sit there and go, oh, hey, we're going to
Speaker 8: do our own social engineering. We don't care what you want, gotcha.
Speaker 8: I appreciate you filling us in on that. I got
Speaker 8: to ask you about this one you found that you
Speaker 8: were kind enough to alert me.
Speaker 1: The University of Surprise, Surprise, Minnesota.
Speaker 2: On their web page, they have a thing.
Speaker 1: You can explain what it is, James, but they're warning
Speaker 1: against a whiteness pandemic. Can you tell us all about
Speaker 1: this one, because this one, this one takes the cake,
Speaker 1: if you will.
Speaker 8: Oh, this is absolutely ridiculous. This is on their website.
Speaker 8: Fortunately it's not a course. But how much you know,
Speaker 8: on their professors are teaching the starbage in their courses,
Speaker 8: and basically they say it all stems from quote research
Speaker 8: evidence indicating that whiteness, that indicates that whiteness refers to culture,
Speaker 8: not biology, and features things like color blindness, passivity, and
Speaker 8: white fragility. I mean, I guess they're saying we need
Speaker 8: to trust the science here. And the page states, quote,
Speaker 8: if you were socialized into the culture of whiteness during childhood,
Speaker 8: it is not your fault, but as an adult, it
Speaker 8: is now your responsibility to self reflect, re educate yourself,
Speaker 8: and act. And the web page has so called resources
Speaker 8: for parents and educators to fight the quote whiteness pandemic,
Speaker 8: I mean, calling it culture not biology. They're obviously trying
Speaker 8: to cite step that little thing called the Civil Rights Act.
Speaker 8: Ye you know, schools can't discriminate based on race. And
Speaker 8: this is just absolutely blatantly ridiculous.
Speaker 1: It's exactly what you would expect on the college campus
Speaker 1: in the year twenty twenty five, except you know, Trump
Speaker 1: in the Department of Education dropped the hammer on it.
Speaker 1: Maybe you saw this, James. I found a letter from
Speaker 1: Brad Finstead, a member of Congress from Minnesota to the
Speaker 1: Honorable Russell Vaught, Director of omb for that state, basically saying, hey,
Speaker 1: you know, we put the kibosh on this stuff. And
Speaker 1: here's what he says. I'm just gonna summarize it here
Speaker 1: a little bit, James talking about the web page that
Speaker 1: you just described. The web page describes whiteness as culture,
Speaker 1: not biology. The centuries old culture of whiteness features color blindness, passivity,
Speaker 1: and white fragility.
Speaker 2: Can't forget about that.
Speaker 1: We're all covert expressions of racism so common in the
Speaker 1: United States. Well, anyway, the letter goes on to say
Speaker 1: fix it or we're taking your federal funds.
Speaker 8: Yeah, with William, the Trump administration has been cracking down
Speaker 8: on this garbage that I'm glad you see that. I mean,
Speaker 8: this is just like when Columbia University and other schools
Speaker 8: like that were turning a blind eye to violence, threats,
Speaker 8: and harassments.
Speaker 4: Towards Jewish students.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 8: And it's just it's so blatant, it's just ridiculous.
Speaker 5: It is.
Speaker 8: They're trying to find and they're trying to find ways
Speaker 8: to sythestep Trump's directives about this kind of stuff in DEI.
Speaker 1: Well, they're doing it all over the country too, And
Speaker 1: this one somebody nailed it. You obviously found it. And
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, this isn't going to be the
Speaker 1: last one. It just it is just so absurd heard
Speaker 1: on its face that you do wonder, rational people, I think,
Speaker 1: do wonder how in the hell does something like this happen?
Speaker 1: If you have that question and you have that curiosity, legitimately,
Speaker 1: I'd just say, go to the any college website and
Speaker 1: shop around and look what they're offering, and you know
Speaker 1: it won't surprise you.
Speaker 2: Unfortunately.
Speaker 8: I mean, how do these academics come up.
Speaker 4: With this stuff?
Speaker 2: I don't you know what. I've wondered that for years, James.
Speaker 1: And you know when Trump dropped the boom, I thought,
Speaker 1: thank god, you know this stuff's going to go away.
Speaker 1: But you hit the nail on the head and I
Speaker 1: should have thought about it. These arrogant academics, they know
Speaker 1: so much more than you and I and everybody else.
Speaker 1: They're going to try and find ways around it. And
Speaker 1: looks like they got their hand in the cookie jar here.
Speaker 8: Well, you saw the reactions of all those schools when
Speaker 8: Trump won the election. Remember Georgetown had the else care
Speaker 8: suite for students where they have milk and cookies, playing
Speaker 8: with legos and dueling with krans.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well they didn't have that when I was there. James,
Speaker 1: as always, we really appreciate you looking out for this
Speaker 1: stuff and filling us in and keep an eye on
Speaker 1: this Minnesota thing for us, if you would please.
Speaker 4: Oh it's gonna be fun.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, James, thank you so much. Appreciate Thank Michael.
Speaker 4: He's a privilege.
Speaker 1: Okay, thank you. You know, and at University of Minnesota.
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you what with our next guest, and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna describe it more fully when we come back
Speaker 1: from this short break.
Speaker 2: It has to do with Minnesota. I'll tell you what.
Speaker 1: They ought to start calling that place theeed People's Republic
Speaker 1: of Minnesota. But at any rate, before we hear from Janis,
Speaker 1: we're gonna take a very short break and then we'll
Speaker 1: come back.
Speaker 2: Mike Allen, Saturday.
Speaker 1: Seven hundred WLW Mike Allen an hour three, third and
Speaker 1: final hour of the Saturday Midday. Well, like I told
Speaker 1: you before, this is a big story. It's a breaking story.
Speaker 1: There have spen some news out on it so far,
Speaker 1: but not a lot until now. And it involves a
Speaker 1: massive and probably unprecedented fraud situation. Fraud cases in Tampon,
Speaker 1: Tim's state of Minnesota. Three separate cases, three separate cases,
Speaker 1: all involving Minnesota's Somali community. The first one is some
Speaker 1: program called Feeding Our Future, which was supposed to get
Speaker 1: meals two kids needy kids during the pandemic. I think
Speaker 1: the money went into somebody's pocket. That's number one. The
Speaker 1: second scandal is something millions of dollars in fraudulent medicaid
Speaker 1: claims to combat homelessness. They don't necessarily go together, I
Speaker 1: don't think. And the third one involves a twenty eight
Speaker 1: year old woman who reaped fourteen million dollars from an
Speaker 1: autism care program. And I'll tell you what the story
Speaker 1: that Janis has in the Epoch Times. She's too modest
Speaker 1: to tell you, so I'm going to do it for her.
Speaker 1: Was recognized yesterday looks like last night by none other
Speaker 1: than Nut Gingrich, former Speaker of the House. And Nut
Speaker 1: had a little bit of a tweet on this thing,
Speaker 1: I guess, and I'm just going to read it to you. Okay,
Speaker 1: this is from Nut Gingrich, And again it looks like
Speaker 1: last night, Janis Heisel's article in the Epoch Times on
Speaker 1: the gigantic scale of fraud in Minnesota is an extraordinarily
Speaker 1: clear and well done article about one of the biggest
Speaker 1: examples of big government socialism's inevitable tendency towards corruption and favoritism.
Speaker 2: It should be a must.
Speaker 1: It should be musk reading for every citizen who wants
Speaker 1: honest government and realizes how big a problem corruption has become.
Speaker 1: And Janis with that, I'll introduce you and first of
Speaker 1: all tell you congratulations that my friend is a big deal.
Speaker 5: Well know, a friend of mine sent that to me
Speaker 5: last night. I didn't discover it on my own, and
Speaker 5: I kind of went what At first, I thought it
Speaker 5: could have been stakes, but I verified that it was legit,
Speaker 5: and so I am quite you know, flattered to receive
Speaker 5: that type of a compliment from a man who has
Speaker 5: literally been considered one of the biggest experts on the
Speaker 5: history of American politics, especially in you know, modern decades.
Speaker 5: He just is a font of information about, you know,
Speaker 5: so many things that have happened in our political world.
Speaker 5: And so for him to come out and say that
Speaker 5: it was an extraordinarily clear report, that was just a
Speaker 5: huge compliment, and I have had the opportunity to interview him. Oh,
Speaker 5: I think it was only one time, about a year
Speaker 5: year and a half ago about some historic things going
Speaker 5: on with the DRUMK campaign. So very gracious and I
Speaker 5: was indeed flattered, But the bottom line, beyond any flattery
Speaker 5: for me, I really do feel people need to be
Speaker 5: aware of this and do whatever they can to take
Speaker 5: a stand in this regard because our tax dollars. It's
Speaker 5: not us personally, because it's Minnesota. But still I'm willing
Speaker 5: to bet that there's a lot of other fraud out
Speaker 5: there along these lines that hasn't even been discovered, possibly
Speaker 5: in other states. If it's happening in that state, it
Speaker 5: quite possibly is happening as mother ones. But this just
Speaker 5: appears to be, you know, it's not a one off.
Speaker 5: It appears to be systemic. Is the problem in Minnesota?
Speaker 1: Well, if you could break it down for us, you
Speaker 1: do in the story three separate cases of all involving
Speaker 1: Minnesota's Somalian community, just kind of break it down for us. Jannis,
Speaker 1: and we are talking about millions and millions of dollars?
Speaker 2: Are we not.
Speaker 4: Actually billions?
Speaker 5: With a bee? Because the problem is that the scandals
Speaker 5: are so widespread that the US attorney, the prosecutor, you know,
Speaker 5: Ceneral prosecutor, has come out and said, there's going to
Speaker 5: be people get away with this just because they don't
Speaker 5: have the manpower to literally charge everybody who should be charged.
Speaker 5: And so the three scandals, as you alluded to, the
Speaker 5: first one involved a nonprofit called Feeding Our Future. Now
Speaker 5: that organization actually started pre pandemic, and there were already
Speaker 5: red flags being raised by people in the community about
Speaker 5: some things going on with that group as back in
Speaker 5: I think it formed in twenty seventeen, and it wasn't
Speaker 5: the twenty sixteen. It wasn't long after that that people
Speaker 5: started going, wait a minute, what's going on. Bottom line
Speaker 5: with that one is, you know, in the same thing
Speaker 5: actually with all three of the major scandals that I
Speaker 5: wrote about, they're they're all alleged to have basically inflated
Speaker 5: or made completely fraudulent claims to get money from the
Speaker 5: federal government for welfare programs. In this case, it was
Speaker 5: they were claiming one place, claimed that they fed up
Speaker 5: to three hundred thousand children in a couple of years
Speaker 5: spanning as a small organizations. Really you've fed three hundred
Speaker 5: thousand meals to kids. You're a small, small group. And
Speaker 5: so then the second scandal does involve it was Minnesota
Speaker 5: was the first state in the country to come up
Speaker 5: with this novel use of medicaid money. The idea was
Speaker 5: that there were a lot of people who are homeless
Speaker 5: do have like mental illness or you know, other like
Speaker 5: kind of related conditions. So that is the next is
Speaker 5: there so to speak, to try to get back money.
Speaker 5: And what happened there, according to the federal prosecutors, is
Speaker 5: that people would obtain names of eligible people and then
Speaker 5: use those names to make up completely false claims saying, oh, yeah,
Speaker 5: I got this person housing or maintain their housing at
Speaker 5: a lower rate or whatever. So that's the second scandal
Speaker 5: and the third one right now, there was only one
Speaker 5: person initially charged in this case, but they're saying that
Speaker 5: there should be many other indictments. A woman was charged
Speaker 5: with fourteen million dollars as you mentioned in fraud, and
Speaker 5: that was they recruited people in the Somali community. And
Speaker 5: all three of these cases have many or mostly so Mali,
Speaker 5: you know, accusing people in that community have been accused.
Speaker 5: And so in that case with the autism. They would
Speaker 5: go to the Somali community, Hey, come get your kid
Speaker 5: evaluated for autism. Well guess what. Hundred percent of the
Speaker 5: kids were diagnosed with federal program. Yeah yeah, where you
Speaker 5: get reimbursed for treating the kids. So that's the bottom
Speaker 5: line on that one.
Speaker 1: You know, I tell you, the obvious question becomes, Jannis,
Speaker 1: where is the oversight? I mean, you know, I said
Speaker 1: millions and millions. You corrected me saying billions. Where is
Speaker 1: the oversight on this? You know, this is a lot
Speaker 1: of money, a lot of taxpayers money.
Speaker 5: Well, absolutely, that first case, the one that's been developing
Speaker 5: the longest, defeating our future. One. Charges have been filed
Speaker 5: in that case in twenty twenty two, and so far
Speaker 5: seventy eight people have been charged. And what I understand,
Speaker 5: the Feds aren't done with that one yet. The other
Speaker 5: two scandals are literally just surfacing. Those came out in September.
Speaker 5: So following that, there was an article written and I
Speaker 5: could give credit to where credit is due to the
Speaker 5: City Journal, which is a publication of the Manhattan Is.
Speaker 5: They were able to get intelligence sources that I don't
Speaker 5: have to come on, come on, you know, at least
Speaker 5: you know anonymously, but to say that the money that
Speaker 5: is going back to Somalia from these Somalian alleged fraudsters
Speaker 5: is a kind of that's going to al Shabab, the
Speaker 5: terrorism group. So that adds kind of insult to injury here.
Speaker 5: So that really up to the outrage causing President Trump
Speaker 5: to go ahead and discontinue what's called temporary protected status,
Speaker 5: which is basically a shield against deportation for the Somalis
Speaker 5: in Minnesota. There are people on the other side were
Speaker 5: decrying that as being you know, oh, he's the anti Somalian,
Speaker 5: and it's almost like they weren't connecting it to the
Speaker 5: allegations and in a lot of cases already proven. There
Speaker 5: have been many people already convicted. I think it's over
Speaker 5: fifty have been convicted at first scandal and so of
Speaker 5: literally taking advantage of this country to the point where
Speaker 5: they're gif flauding the government, not just reaping benefits to
Speaker 5: which they're entitled.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, this isn't some welfare cheat sitting at home
Speaker 1: eating potato chips and watching TV on the taxpayer's dime.
Speaker 1: I mean, unbelievable billions of dollars involved. I just wanted
Speaker 1: to read you one paragraph that caught my eye of
Speaker 1: your story talking about Somalia and being steeped in public
Speaker 1: sector corruption. These immigrants come from a nation steeped in
Speaker 1: public sector corruption. Somalia ranks as the world's second most
Speaker 1: corrupt nation according to something that I didn't even know
Speaker 1: this existed, the Corruption Perception Index. That ranking that Somalia
Speaker 1: got is that nine points on a scale of one hundred,
Speaker 1: one hundred means very clean. Only South Sudan was worse.
Speaker 1: They had all of eight points. The United States scored
Speaker 1: sixty five. The world's least corrupt country, Denmark got ninety points.
Speaker 1: I guess all that's a way of asking, I mean,
Speaker 1: this stuff's public knowledge, is it not. And wouldn't you
Speaker 1: think at the state level, in federal inspectors too, somebody
Speaker 1: would have figured this out before. And I know you
Speaker 1: said the one started one prosecution in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1: You just wonder, you know, who's watching the piggy bank here?
Speaker 1: Apparently nobody, Well there.
Speaker 5: Was, Yeah, there was a report done in regard to
Speaker 5: that feeding our future scan of the one that's been
Speaker 5: brewing the longest, and you know they came right out
Speaker 5: and staid in this independent audit that there were many
Speaker 5: steps that were you know, red flags that were basically ignored.
Speaker 5: So that's the problem there. I mean again, you know,
Speaker 5: how can you have a very small organization claiming to
Speaker 5: serve three hundred thousand meals? It just doesn't even you know,
Speaker 5: makes sense.
Speaker 1: You know, do you know if anyone has tried to
Speaker 1: hold the governor of Minnesota not necessarily responsible, but at
Speaker 1: least accountable for this, because you know, Mike DeWine here
Speaker 1: in Ohio, if this was going on here, he would
Speaker 1: have known about it, he would have done something about it.
Speaker 1: I don't think Tim Waltz should get a pass on this,
Speaker 1: and I know that's not your Bailey Wick, but did
Speaker 1: you find anything where he had knowledge of this or
Speaker 1: is doing anything about it?
Speaker 4: Well?
Speaker 5: Yes, actually he did come out and you know condemn
Speaker 5: the Feeding our Future, which well, I was in Minnesota
Speaker 5: to cover the marriage race, which, as you remember, there
Speaker 5: was a Democrat socialist running and he ended up losing
Speaker 5: to the incumbent, more moderate Democrat mayor. I was there
Speaker 5: and I did pick up on a vibe of people
Speaker 5: being really upset regarding this Feeding our Future scandal that
Speaker 5: the other guy own Fate who was the Democratic Socialist
Speaker 5: guy from Somalia, or actually wasn't. He wasn't born there.
Speaker 5: He was born here to Somalian parents, correcting himself. So anyway,
Speaker 5: he had some connections to people in that whole scandal,
Speaker 5: and there were quite a number of people I spoke
Speaker 5: to who resent that scandal very, very highly, and they
Speaker 5: were critical also of Governor Waltz. But Governor Waltz did
Speaker 5: come out and condemn the scandal itself and has taken
Speaker 5: some action. For example, just recently, I think it was
Speaker 5: at the end of October, he issued an order that
Speaker 5: they were going to halt temporarily fourteen medicaid programs. And
Speaker 5: so the three scandals we just talked about, those are
Speaker 5: just the three biggest ones. There are fourteen medicaid programs
Speaker 5: that he is temporarily stopping. Evenson will they have an
Speaker 5: independent audit for guess what fraud?
Speaker 4: You know what?
Speaker 1: This defies belief really, I mean, but and there's one
Speaker 1: two sentenced paragraph, and I just wanted to get your
Speaker 1: reaction to this. I mean, you wrote it, Okay. The
Speaker 1: state's Education Commissioner, Willie L. Jet the third, defended his
Speaker 1: agencies oversight of the programs. He said, the agency reported
Speaker 1: suspicions and concerns to law enforcement. I mean, do you
Speaker 1: find that to be a credible statement?
Speaker 5: Huh, well, I don't want to necessarily, come on. I
Speaker 5: think it speaks for itself. You know. He that was
Speaker 5: his side of it. It was important to include that, understand,
Speaker 5: But certainly the report that I read does come right
Speaker 5: out and just you know, lay a lot of blame
Speaker 5: on the agency. He was defending the agency byline.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, somebody a person like that doing that, not
Speaker 1: doing the job, I think probably ought to be terminated.
Speaker 2: But I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's Minnesota, so you know, I guess some people get
Speaker 1: a pass.
Speaker 10: Mike.
Speaker 5: I would like to tell you about another kind of
Speaker 5: slice of this. There are so many branches of this.
Speaker 5: I could probably stay busy for several years just covering
Speaker 5: even the basics. There's so much. But one of the
Speaker 5: things that a lot of people are outraged about is
Speaker 5: just recently a judge overturned a jury's verdict, and you,
Speaker 5: being in a former judge and a prosecutor yourself, know
Speaker 5: how unusual that is. This jury verdict where a fan
Speaker 5: was convicted of seven point two million dollars worth of
Speaker 5: Medicaid fraud, claiming to run a home healthcare agency that
Speaker 5: from a mail box. I am not making this up. Wow,
Speaker 5: and the jurors from what I read some other reports,
Speaker 5: again not my reporting, but I will be checking into this.
Speaker 5: People are really upset over this reversal of the jury verdict.
Speaker 5: I do not know the ins and outs, but again,
Speaker 5: that seven point two million dollars is a fair chunk
Speaker 5: of change for one person, and you know, it's my
Speaker 5: belief that he only has maybe one I don't know
Speaker 5: how many people, for sure are involved with that one.
Speaker 5: But for one person or a few people to split
Speaker 5: seven point two million, that's that's like you're one in
Speaker 5: the lottery there, right, And I believe that's what you're doing,
Speaker 5: is reaping it from taxpayers.
Speaker 1: And as you point out, you're absolutely right. I mean
Speaker 1: I can count on one hand. I don't need all
Speaker 1: my fingers to tell you the number of times that's
Speaker 1: happened here locally. The whole thing about a judge overruling
Speaker 1: a jury verdict, I mean, there's got to be there's
Speaker 1: got to be something to that. The whole thing stinks
Speaker 1: to high heavens. Janis I mean, I would assume, based
Speaker 1: on the gravity of this, and you're great reporting on it,
Speaker 1: you're going to stay on this story right.
Speaker 5: Absolutely. In fact, I have several spinoff stories that are
Speaker 5: in the worst, but we did have Thanksgiving and so boy,
Speaker 5: I tell you, there are a lot of questions about
Speaker 5: higher ups in government in Minnesota. You know, one person
Speaker 5: put it this way I think was actually a congresswoman,
Speaker 5: Nancy May said this about ilhan Omar be So Molly,
Speaker 5: congresswoman from that area. What did ilhan Omar know and
Speaker 5: when did she know?
Speaker 13: Yes, that that has been a big question out there,
Speaker 13: and also questions regarding Tim Waltz, other people who either
Speaker 13: knew or perhaps should have known about.
Speaker 5: The extent of this. This is I really do think
Speaker 5: this is probably the most massive welfare fraud case in I've.
Speaker 11: Ever heard of in United States history.
Speaker 5: I mean, I haven't verified that for sure, but I
Speaker 5: can't think yntey it comes close. I've heard estimates as
Speaker 5: high as sixteen billion.
Speaker 2: Dollars total across all the.
Speaker 5: Scandals, not to see three, so I don't I haven't
Speaker 5: again verified that, but that is a report I have
Speaker 5: seen an estimate. I've seen, uh so lots and lots
Speaker 5: of work for me and others to do to try
Speaker 5: to bring this to the public's attention. And the presidential
Speaker 5: action has already been taken, and from what I've seen,
Speaker 5: uh does look like there's been some crackdowns. This combined
Speaker 5: with the Afghany assassination of one of our National guardsmen
Speaker 5: and the grave, grave wounding of the second gardens iding
Speaker 5: for his life. Uh that you know, there's a lot
Speaker 5: of concern about, you know, raising to kind of a
Speaker 5: critical point of awareness. Look at how much immigrants are
Speaker 5: receiving benefits from the country and then you thank them,
Speaker 5: either by fraud or by violence. You know that that's
Speaker 5: what President Trump is doing now, taking action to to
Speaker 5: cut off benefits like that. And Americans, you know, from
Speaker 5: what I've seen, I've heard so many people say how
Speaker 5: set up they are, so many people are completely bet up.
Speaker 1: Well, it sounds to me, Janis Hail like you just
Speaker 1: hit the tip of the iceberg here. I'm glad, and
Speaker 1: I'm sure the taxpayers of this country are going to
Speaker 1: be glad that you're on top of this thing. It's
Speaker 1: just I've never seen or heard anything like it, and
Speaker 1: we really appreciate you sharing with.
Speaker 5: Us yeah, well at least it doesn't. Here there are
Speaker 5: some serious actions being taken, and it's just it speaks
Speaker 5: volumes that the Department Justice said, we can't charge everybody.
Speaker 4: True, it's traffic. True.
Speaker 1: All right, Janie, thanks again, thank you? Okay, all right, Wow,
Speaker 1: I mean, are you soaking all that in billions of dollars?
Speaker 2: And who was minding the store?
Speaker 1: I just I refuse to believe that, you know, people
Speaker 1: in positions of authority did not know the extent of it. Now,
Speaker 1: Janie did point out that one of these problems started
Speaker 1: being prosecuted in twenty twenty two, I think she said,
Speaker 1: but we're going to hang on to this. We're going
Speaker 1: to keep on to it too. And again just point
Speaker 1: out to you that none other than former Speaker of
Speaker 1: the House Nuke Gingrish recognized her yesterday in the story,
Speaker 1: and I know she'll stay on it.
Speaker 2: Hey, we got us take a break.
Speaker 1: But when we get back open lines seven four, nine,
Speaker 1: seven thousand, one, eight hundred, the big one are the numbers.
Speaker 1: After we get our mystery guest coming out of the news,
Speaker 1: Mike Allen, Saturday midday.
Speaker 4: This is what they call the hart Cell Sunday.
Speaker 1: Yard eleven thirty nine News Radio seven hundred WLW Mike
Speaker 1: Allen Saturday midday closing half hour.
Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you what. In about a half.
Speaker 1: Hour, something big is going to be happening, and that
Speaker 1: is Ohio State Michigan on the hotline. Here, I have
Speaker 1: the biggest Ohio State Buckeye fanatic that I know. That
Speaker 1: happened to be my son. Heard here Sunday Nights on
Speaker 1: the Big One, Mike Allen Jr.
Speaker 2: Mike, thanks for joining us.
Speaker 12: Hey, no problem, man, trying to call my heart rate
Speaker 12: a little bit.
Speaker 4: In about twenty minutes, this house is going to be loud.
Speaker 1: Well, you know what, let me get it jumped up
Speaker 1: a little bit. I just wanted to ask you, did
Speaker 1: you see last night where Saint X they're going to
Speaker 1: the state championships?
Speaker 2: Your thoughts?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean I'll say this, man, they had to
Speaker 12: play their best game to beat Elder the other night
Speaker 12: last week they played their best game. I actually was
Speaker 12: at the gym this morning and I saw some younger
Speaker 12: guys and St X stuff talking about it, and I said, hey,
Speaker 12: until you guys go get two in a row, you
Speaker 12: don't match to an elder guy. And they started laughing,
Speaker 12: and I said, hey, guys, GCL go win the thing exactly.
Speaker 12: Might be the only time someone with the last name
Speaker 12: Allen here for the Saint X Bombers.
Speaker 1: I just gave him a hell of a build up,
Speaker 1: you know. As a matter of fact, Liam tells me
Speaker 1: we've got some calls. I forgot to mention Anderson is
Speaker 1: going up state. They beat big one. I've never heard
Speaker 1: of that before, but two of them going up state.
Speaker 1: But anyway, enough of that, unless do you have just shows.
Speaker 4: How big football is in the state of Ohio.
Speaker 2: Yeah, in the gCO, absolutely, yes, sir.
Speaker 1: Okay, I introduced you, Mike as the biggest Ohio State
Speaker 1: Buckeye fanatic that I know of. Uh, you might remember
Speaker 1: when you have a memory like I couldn't believe when
Speaker 1: you were growing up, we kind of split it between
Speaker 1: OSU and Notre Dame. Yeah, and you made a turn
Speaker 1: to Ohio State. What brought that on?
Speaker 12: Your mom did? To be be honest with you, it
Speaker 12: was our grandmother. Yeah, And I remember I had stopped
Speaker 12: by her place.
Speaker 4: It was on the Saturday of the.
Speaker 12: Ohio State and Michigan game, and I'd stop by her
Speaker 12: place maybe an hour or so before it was when
Speaker 12: I was well, actually, you know what it was when.
Speaker 4: I was going up to Columbus for the game.
Speaker 12: And honestly, it was to just do one of those
Speaker 12: you show up at grandma's house and she may give
Speaker 12: you twenty bucks just for showing up. But we started
Speaker 12: talking about it, and we were talking about how expensive
Speaker 12: tickets were, and she said, you know, your grandfather and
Speaker 12: I would sell our Ohio State Michigan tickets to pay
Speaker 12: a month to rent when they were living up there. Yeah,
Speaker 12: and just the history of it, and and your dad
Speaker 12: and you and I watching Joe Jermain and and the
Speaker 12: buck Eyes in the nineties, always losing the Michigan. It
Speaker 12: just got this this hatred and reel lack of a
Speaker 12: better term, And it's it's that.
Speaker 4: I think that's what's so cool about.
Speaker 12: This game is the way it it goes through families,
Speaker 12: you know what I mean. There's people in our family.
Speaker 12: We have a Michigan alum, your nephew Keith, my cousin,
Speaker 12: your nephew Danny Allen is a huge Michigan fan, and
Speaker 12: then his brother Joey.
Speaker 4: Is a massive Ohio State fan.
Speaker 12: So I think that's what's so cool about it, and
Speaker 12: it's I really do think this. I do not think
Speaker 12: there are two teams in the existence of sport that
Speaker 12: hate each other more.
Speaker 4: And what I like about it is you have all of.
Speaker 12: These players, you know, the buck Eyes, you to just
Speaker 12: recruit mostly out of Ohio. They got guys from Florida,
Speaker 12: California and everywhere in between.
Speaker 4: Right when they get there. They could people go to Ohio.
Speaker 12: State Michigan to play in this game, to play in
Speaker 12: the biggest rivalry in all of sports.
Speaker 4: And you know, I there was a long while there.
Speaker 12: Where Ohio State sort of dominated. Now Michigan has been dominating.
Speaker 12: And it was one of those things where I meant
Speaker 12: this just as a fan of college football, we needed
Speaker 12: and when I say we, I mean college football as
Speaker 12: a whole, and especially Ohio State needed that to be
Speaker 12: a rivalry again. And I'm telling you what, man, the
Speaker 12: last four or five years, it is one thousand percent
Speaker 12: of rivalry.
Speaker 1: Again, no question about it. The guy I'm going to
Speaker 1: ask you, I know, you know it just for conversation
Speaker 1: saying the guy that coined the term that would not
Speaker 1: refer to Michigan as Michigan, but that team up north,
Speaker 1: none other in whatdy Hayes Am I right about that, absolutely?
Speaker 4: And what's funny?
Speaker 11: Man?
Speaker 12: And I know you know this Woodrow Hayes Allen, my
Speaker 12: German shepherds is actually sitting right next to me.
Speaker 4: Getting ready to watch again.
Speaker 12: Every dog I've had for the last fifteen years has
Speaker 12: been named after a Buckeye.
Speaker 2: I know that.
Speaker 1: But yeah, you couldn't have anything to do with your
Speaker 1: beautiful wife being a graduate from there.
Speaker 4: No, of course, not okay, but no, it's it's funny.
Speaker 12: I mean, you go up the further north, you go
Speaker 12: up in Ohio, you see every single word, whether it's
Speaker 12: on a sign or a name tag or something like that,
Speaker 12: that's got an eminent has a big X through it.
Speaker 4: So you know, it's one of these things.
Speaker 12: Where people ask themselves, you know how they hell, the
Speaker 12: two teams end up hating each other so much, and
Speaker 12: I mean it literally goes back to the two state
Speaker 12: militias almost going to war with each other.
Speaker 2: I didn't hear that one.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah.
Speaker 12: So in eighteen thirty something, Governor John Bell of the
Speaker 12: state of Ohio laid claim to the Toledo Strip right
Speaker 12: there near Allen County where or up north of Allen
Speaker 12: County where you know Ohio and Michigan right right, and
Speaker 12: there was a big fight. Ohio was a state at
Speaker 12: that time, I don't think Michigan was. Ohio said hey,
Speaker 12: this whole strip right here is ours, and we're willing
Speaker 12: to pick up guns over it. And it got to
Speaker 12: the point where literally the governor of Ohio called up
Speaker 12: the state militia, armed them, got them to the border,
Speaker 12: and they two state militias were about to start going
Speaker 12: literally shooting at each other. President Andrew Jackson actually get
Speaker 12: involved and basically say, if any of you shoot at
Speaker 12: each other, I'm.
Speaker 4: Hanging all of you.
Speaker 12: So what happened was Ohio was given the Toledo Strip
Speaker 12: in exchange for Michigan being granted statehood by the federal government.
Speaker 12: And they actually got the Mitten, like the northern peninsula
Speaker 12: of Michigan in exchange. So at the time it seemed
Speaker 12: like Ohio got the best of that deal. But I
Speaker 12: think that Michigan's lakefront property sort of beats Ohio, and
Speaker 12: in the Cleveland Rusfeld area, I.
Speaker 2: Guess you know what I tell you, that's a rivalry.
Speaker 1: You know, I know you've been up there a number
Speaker 1: of times to Ohio state.
Speaker 2: Did you ever? You've never been up for Ohio State Michigan?
Speaker 2: Have you?
Speaker 4: Oh? No, No, I like my life too much.
Speaker 12: I worry, I honestly, God, worry about myself. And that's
Speaker 12: the thing about this is you see generally reasonable.
Speaker 4: People lose their minds over this. And that's the wild thing.
Speaker 12: It's like, if there's something that makes your average American
Speaker 12: lose it over it's he I mean, if there's two
Speaker 12: things you bring up, either a Donald Trump or b
Speaker 12: Ohio State Michigan, and you're going to get a reaction
Speaker 12: out of people that tend not to give pretty animated reactions.
Speaker 12: But but the hatred is one thousand percent real. But no,
Speaker 12: I've never been to ann Arbor. I have no plans
Speaker 12: on going to ann Arbor. If there's one place on
Speaker 12: planet Earth I would love to avoid my entire natural life,
Speaker 12: it would be ann Arbor.
Speaker 2: Why doesn't that surprise me?
Speaker 4: You know, you know, I'm not sure.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you about about the game itself, Mike, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean Ohio State so dominant this year. Michigan. I
Speaker 1: think they're banging around about fourteenth or fifteenth or something
Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, obviously Buckeyes are the favorites. But what
Speaker 1: are you looking for in this game?
Speaker 12: I'm telling you right now, and I know it's just
Speaker 12: the cliches are cliches because they're true. But I mean this,
Speaker 12: throw the record book out and you can say that
Speaker 12: the years absolutely. So what I think the key is
Speaker 12: here is that Ohio State. You know their quarterback Julian's
Speaker 12: saying and I watched him a little bit when he
Speaker 12: was in high school, just film and stuff hearing about him,
Speaker 12: and he really flew under the radar. This could be
Speaker 12: his heisman game. He is completing something like eighty percent
Speaker 12: of his passes. Another guy who was absolutely lethal to
Speaker 12: Michigan in his career long you know, back in five
Speaker 12: six era, was Troy Smith. This guy reminds me of
Speaker 12: Troy Smith. He wears number ten, just like him. He's
Speaker 12: a li undersized, but mechanically I don't think I've seen
Speaker 12: a quarterback, especially at that age, as good as this
Speaker 12: kid is. The Other thing to look for is Ohio
Speaker 12: State's other heisman candidates, Jeremiah Smith and Carneal Tate, the
Speaker 12: two wide receivers. I don't think there's any question, you know,
Speaker 12: whether or not these two are the best wide receivers.
Speaker 4: In the country, and they're on the same team.
Speaker 12: They're a little banged up, they didn't play last week,
Speaker 12: they're going to play today. I mean, I think, you know,
Speaker 12: if Jeremiah Smith and Carnal Tate had broken two broken hands,
Speaker 12: they would still find a way to play in this game.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Really, so I think that you know.
Speaker 12: O High State weathering the storm, the noise, the insanity,
Speaker 12: they're not going to be able to hear themselves. Think
Speaker 12: even if that first drive ends in a punt, that's fine.
Speaker 12: It's limiting turnovers for Ohio State, letting the game come
Speaker 12: to them. Michigan is going to have to find a
Speaker 12: way to run the ball, and that's going to be
Speaker 12: very tough because there's no defensive.
Speaker 4: Line and in my view, no defense better in the
Speaker 4: country than High of States.
Speaker 12: So if Michigan can find a way to slow the
Speaker 12: game down, sort of play that old school Ohio State
Speaker 12: Michigan football, where they can grind the ball, pick up
Speaker 12: first downs, avoid third and long, they'll have a shot.
Speaker 12: Ohio State's gonna have to do the opposite. They're going
Speaker 12: to have to air it out, chuck it deep to
Speaker 12: the two best receivers in the United States and it's
Speaker 12: not going to be, you know, a high scoring game.
Speaker 4: I wish it was, but I don't think it's going
Speaker 4: to be.
Speaker 9: Well.
Speaker 12: I think Ohio State gets out, maybe by less than
Speaker 12: a touchdown.
Speaker 1: We shall see. It's certainly exciting. Appreciate you spend some
Speaker 1: time with us. Are you on Tomorrow night?
Speaker 4: No, sir, man, I'm not. I don't think I am.
Speaker 12: Okay, They'll be playing football and I'm okay with it.
Speaker 12: I'm busy getting getting ready for a little Buckeye to
Speaker 12: get here, so I know.
Speaker 2: I know, I can't wait. I can't wait.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I want to be busy.
Speaker 3: Brother.
Speaker 1: That's right. Well, I wanted to let it know. We
Speaker 1: are on together this coming Friday for slowany Yeah, for
Speaker 1: Willie nine to New Well, No, you in for Sloan.
Speaker 1: I think I better double check then.
Speaker 12: Anyway, that'll be fun and we'll have it covered now.
Speaker 2: What the hell? All right?
Speaker 4: Mike?
Speaker 2: Thank you?
Speaker 4: All right?
Speaker 1: Okay, see, you know, I gotta tell you, how cool
Speaker 1: is that interviewing your son about Ohio State Michigan. I'm
Speaker 1: so proud of that young man. I could burst. Hey,
Speaker 1: let's do this. Uh, we have a couple of callers,
Speaker 1: but I want to take a break. Get that out
Speaker 1: of the way, come back and we'll get the callers.
Speaker 1: We'll do that when we get back. Mike Allen, Saturday midday,
Speaker 1: Mike Allen, Saturday midday, closing minutes of same as promise.
Speaker 1: Let's go to the phone first, Doctor Dennis. Are you there, sir,
Speaker 1: Doctor Dennis, you're there.
Speaker 2: I'm there. How you doing, doc?
Speaker 4: Okay? All right, pretty good, good.
Speaker 14: I had a nice, nice thanks. I just want to
Speaker 14: take two quick points. Two quick points. One you got, uh, Tim,
Speaker 14: no balls walls out there voicing concern about the results
Speaker 14: of Trump's MRI. I think I have that right, Uh,
Speaker 14: when you have some other yeah, some other talking heads
Speaker 14: concerned about Trump is showing early dimension is you know,
Speaker 14: et cetera, et cetera. But these same people never voiced
Speaker 14: any concern about you know, demesia Joe and and his
Speaker 14: uh and his uh severe cognitive deficits.
Speaker 4: You are so worried. You know.
Speaker 1: I heard that too this week too, and it's nobody
Speaker 1: ever calls him on it, and it's just so bright,
Speaker 1: so blatant. You know, Trump, I don't even think the
Speaker 1: guy gets tired. At least he doesn't look like that
Speaker 1: to me.
Speaker 14: He's running circles around what Biden did. There's no question
Speaker 14: about it.
Speaker 2: No question.
Speaker 14: And then and then I want to put it plug
Speaker 14: in for Xavier because I don't know if you know this,
Speaker 14: but he's Xavior grad came up with the Bengals name
Speaker 14: for the Cincinnati football.
Speaker 4: Team, really really yeah.
Speaker 14: A guy named yeah, a guy named Hal Pennington who
Speaker 14: was the Xavier grad.
Speaker 4: He he coached some.
Speaker 14: Early versions of the Bengals that they weren't called the Bengals,
Speaker 14: called other names.
Speaker 2: In theties, wasn't it, yes?
Speaker 4: Correct?
Speaker 14: Correct in the thirties, right, right? So his name is
Speaker 14: Hal Pennington. You can look it up. But I got
Speaker 14: this out of a book called The Hidden.
Speaker 4: History of Cincinnati.
Speaker 14: Okay, and yeah, it was a very fascinating story.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna check it out. Hey.
Speaker 1: One other thing, I don't know if you heard. I
Speaker 1: know how much you like local history. I had a
Speaker 1: guy on this week who wrote a book about Post
Speaker 1: Steele Laski, the Cincinnati Strangler, which was excellent.
Speaker 2: It was so good, was that, right? Yeah? Yeah, you
Speaker 2: can get it on Amazon. Well that was worth read.
Speaker 14: Now is that the same guy that was going around
Speaker 14: with a when that the murder of that family over
Speaker 14: in the West Side.
Speaker 2: That's j T.
Speaker 1: Towns No, well it was going on at the same time.
Speaker 1: But uh no, j T. Townsend wrote that book. But
Speaker 1: it's really good. Uh you know, I think it's like
Speaker 1: twenty bucks or something like that.
Speaker 2: So just wanted to let you.
Speaker 14: Know it's a newer book. It's a newer it's a different, different,
Speaker 14: criminal different.
Speaker 1: A bad one too. Okay, all right, thanks, thank you
Speaker 1: so much. But you know, I didn't know that about Xavier.
Speaker 1: You know, a lot of people don't know this. One
Speaker 1: of Xavier's last football players. I think he was on
Speaker 1: the last team, none other than the great, great Ken Blackwell,
Speaker 1: I'm sure everybody knows. Ken, one of the most conservative
Speaker 1: guys in the state, should have been the governor of
Speaker 1: the state of Ohio.
Speaker 2: He played football for Xavier.
Speaker 1: I think I think he got drafted, not maybe a
Speaker 1: high pick, but got drafted by the Cowboys, Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 1: I don't think you ever played for him, though, but
Speaker 1: appreciate the trivia. I'm the most trivial person you'll find. Hey,
Speaker 1: let's talk to Ralph in beautiful Western Hills. Hey, Ralph,
Speaker 1: how are you doing good today, har are you?
Speaker 2: I'm good? We got one minute?
Speaker 4: Yeah, one minute. I don't think I have enough time.
Speaker 1: Then.
Speaker 15: Basically, I think a lot of the stuff that's going
Speaker 15: on is intentional, and I think it's intentional because to transfer.
Speaker 2: Wealth, really, tell me, tell me what you mean by that.
Speaker 2: We got time for that.
Speaker 15: Hey, if you look at what was going on with
Speaker 15: the immigration, he had the open borders, the cartels were
Speaker 15: making bands, ye, all right, Venezuela making byans off of that.
Speaker 15: A lot of the immigrants that were coming from Venezuela
Speaker 15: were men, and they were muslim men. And a lot
Speaker 15: of these musselmen were coming out of prisons.
Speaker 4: Well, if you look at some of.
Speaker 15: The Ukrainians, they were giving money to travel here, they
Speaker 15: were given context, they got jobs, they got paid to
Speaker 15: come here at a humanitarian.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, Ralph, and amount of time here.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't bet against anything. It's very possible. Hey, next
Speaker 1: time you call back, I promise I'll give you more time. Okay,
Speaker 1: he's gone already, and so am I. Mike Allen, Saturday
Speaker 1: midday