1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,680 Speaker 1: I actually told it to him one time that I said, hey, 2 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:05,240 Speaker 1: you know you should maybe try you want to audition? 3 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:06,760 Speaker 2: You ever thought about it? You know, you're still in 4 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:07,720 Speaker 2: high school and stuff. 5 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:09,920 Speaker 1: His younger brother wanted to and has done some auditions, 6 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:11,800 Speaker 1: but the older one is like, nah, I don't want 7 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 1: to do it. And I was like, why not. He's like, 8 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 1: it's just I just do it for fun. I don't 9 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:17,079 Speaker 1: want to, like, I don't want it to be a 10 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:19,440 Speaker 1: job and stuff. And he goes, he can't do that 11 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:21,439 Speaker 1: for a living. And I said, well some people do. 12 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:23,280 Speaker 1: I said, you live in Los Angeles, why not give 13 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:25,440 Speaker 1: it a shot? And he said to me, he did. 14 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 1: I articulated, but I go. He goes, I just want 15 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 1: to get a job that I can have it. I 16 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 1: could take care of my family. Wow, that's all I want, 17 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:33,520 Speaker 1: is forward and he goes. He goes and I said, 18 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 1: are you saying you don't want to go through like 19 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:37,200 Speaker 1: a starving artist phase? And he said, and I quote 20 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:40,160 Speaker 1: absolutely not. 21 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 3: Not a smart man. 22 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:44,479 Speaker 1: I mean, I hope there's a part of me because 23 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, we're jumping right in and you guys haven't 24 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 1: done your usual. 25 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 2: Oh I'll just do that. 26 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:51,159 Speaker 4: Gary and Shannon Kim six forty live Everywhere on the 27 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 4: Iheartman Wrapp and Justin Worship is Hi guys. 28 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 2: So he there's a part of him that he articulated. 29 00:00:57,560 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 1: The reason why he feels this way about just getting 30 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 1: a job is because I told him when they were younger, 31 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:05,560 Speaker 1: and I hope I didn't accidentally mean it as a 32 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 1: as like a guilt trip. It wasn't my intent, but 33 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 1: I told him my childhood dream was to be a 34 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 1: stand up comedian. And then as I got older and 35 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 1: I was a stand up comedian and a father, I 36 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:17,319 Speaker 1: realized what I wanted to be more than a comedian 37 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:19,559 Speaker 1: was a father. I wanted to be there. I didn't 38 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 1: want my like I didn't want to parent them. Through 39 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:24,319 Speaker 1: a screen from halfway across the country. 40 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:25,680 Speaker 5: I saw a video I don't know if you saw 41 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:29,760 Speaker 5: it with the Seahawks coach. No, I didn't Mike McDonald 42 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:32,319 Speaker 5: who It went viral for a little bit, I believe 43 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 5: on Monday, and he was talking about how busy he 44 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:38,560 Speaker 5: is and just said it kind of matter of factly. 45 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 5: It wasn't the point of the interview. He didn't stop 46 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 5: and think about what it meant, but he said that 47 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:46,119 Speaker 5: he only sees his son for a half an. 48 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:46,560 Speaker 3: Hour a week. 49 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, and some of that was latched onto as this 50 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 5: is not something you should brag about. 51 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 3: This is not normal, it's not healthy. 52 00:01:57,800 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 5: But there are a lot of parents, not just head 53 00:01:59,880 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 5: coaches in the NFL, but a lot of parents who 54 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 5: it's achieve, achieve, achieve. 55 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 3: Work, work work. 56 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 5: You think you're doing the right thing when it means 57 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:12,799 Speaker 5: so much for kids for just your time, like did 58 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 5: the time that you spend with them? 59 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:16,639 Speaker 1: Two thoughts of that one was Burt Kreischer was interviewed 60 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 1: because he's doing the press junket for his new show 61 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:22,359 Speaker 1: on Netflix, and he was talking about his kid He said, 62 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 1: his daughters in particular. He said, when I was when 63 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 1: they were young, I was so focused on my career 64 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:28,519 Speaker 1: that I would and I was just like, I got 65 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 1: to get money so I could set these kids up 66 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:32,640 Speaker 1: for college. And he said, and he kind of like, 67 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 1: I don't know, he blatantly said it that I remember, 68 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 1: but you the what you thought he was trying to 69 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 1: say was that he regrets it and that but that 70 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:42,240 Speaker 1: what he's trying to do now is make up for it, 71 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 1: because now he's got money, he's got stability, and his 72 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 1: kids are out of college, and so now he's trying 73 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 1: to rebuild that relationship with him. And when I decided, 74 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 1: I told my dad, I said, I go, I think 75 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 1: I'm going to get off the road. I don't want 76 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 1: to do stand up anymore. And he was like why. 77 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:56,520 Speaker 1: He spent over an hour on the phone with me 78 00:02:56,639 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 1: trying to talk me out of it, and I said, because, 79 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 1: I go, Dad, I know this sounds dumb, but I 80 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 1: want to coach like flag football. I want to be 81 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 1: there when they come home from school, like I want 82 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 1: to do all that stuff. And he said tons of 83 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 1: great points. He said, you know, just because you're there 84 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:13,080 Speaker 1: doesn't mean you'll get to be there as much as 85 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:15,240 Speaker 1: you are now. He said, you're gone, sure, but when 86 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:18,359 Speaker 1: you come home from the road, you're there. He said, 87 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 1: but if you're home and you got like a regular 88 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 1: forty hour a week job, that might mean that you're 89 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:24,799 Speaker 1: just more you become a little more disconnected because it's 90 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 1: just part of the routine. You're always around and that 91 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:29,680 Speaker 1: time isn't as important. And then he dropped this weird thing. 92 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:31,800 Speaker 1: I mean, he goes, how often do you think I 93 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 1: was home when you were like seven, eight years old, 94 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 1: and I said all the time. He goes, I was 95 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 1: gone three weeks almost out of every month when you 96 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 1: were eight years old. Lego really And he said, yeah, 97 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 1: but you don't know that because when I was home, 98 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 1: I was home like I was. It's the quality of 99 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 1: the time that you spend when you have it, not 100 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 1: just the quantity of the time. 101 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, but also the bird Chreiser thing, it makes a 102 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 4: point about, uh, setting up your kids. What are you 103 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 4: setting them up for? I mean, there's one thing to 104 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 4: be Yeah, I'd love to have the financial wherewithal to 105 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 4: send my kids to college and not have them worry 106 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 4: about loans or whatever. But just the financial stability to 107 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 4: do that doesn't mean anything about the quality of their life. 108 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, necessarily. 109 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 1: And this it's true, like I think so much of us, 110 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 1: so many of us when we look at kids, we're 111 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:17,039 Speaker 1: trying to set them up for a career or whatever 112 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 1: that is about. I want to say, maybe five or 113 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:23,479 Speaker 1: six years ago. For whatever reason, it hit me, I 114 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 1: think now it's actually kind of in the pandemic when 115 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 1: I was making great money and I realized I was like, 116 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 1: I've had moments in my life where I've made amazing 117 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 1: money and I have moments in my life where I 118 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:35,159 Speaker 1: could barely afford to feed myself, right, and the one 119 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:37,839 Speaker 1: cond so so sad, sappy, and I'm sorry, But the 120 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:41,159 Speaker 1: one constant has been my wife and then eventually my kids. 121 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 1: And what I've looked back at is that sure do 122 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 1: we like? Were they kind of bummed that I couldn't 123 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 1: take them to Disneyland because I wasn't making enough money? Absolutely, 124 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:52,359 Speaker 1: But now they've gotten older and they don't care about 125 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 1: that stuff. They I mean, they're teenagers. It's not like 126 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 1: they crave hanging out with me, but they do to 127 00:04:56,920 --> 00:04:57,559 Speaker 1: a certain extent. 128 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 5: I will always win, yeah, whether they know at that 129 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 5: point or not, your time will always win over anything 130 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 5: you buy them. 131 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:06,040 Speaker 1: And it's like the gut punch that I carry with 132 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 1: me on a regular basis now, even though he's seventeen 133 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 1: years old. The younger one hasn't had this. But when 134 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 1: I've been busy, right, and I'm on my phone at home, like, 135 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 1: there will be times where my son would be talking 136 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 1: to me about his day and I was listening to him, 137 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 1: but he would say Dad, and I knew like, and 138 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:23,359 Speaker 1: I immediately would always put down my phone and then 139 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 1: look at him because I realized that he like, he 140 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 1: needs this, even though for me, I'm hearing him and 141 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 1: I'm talking to him while I'm doing this. But I 142 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 1: hate that he even had to do that, you know what 143 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:33,719 Speaker 1: I mean. I wish I could have seen it ahead 144 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 1: of time, and so to be able to sleep at 145 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:38,159 Speaker 1: night and feel okay about myself as a father, I 146 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 1: just have to tell myself that I've had. 147 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:42,160 Speaker 2: Tons of conversations with my son. He loves. 148 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 1: We love to talk about politics and life in general 149 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 1: and relationships, and we will stay up until all hours of. 150 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 2: The night, you know, like hanging out and talking. 151 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 1: We laugh, and he's got a great sense of humor, 152 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 1: and he'll come up and hug me at the school 153 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:57,040 Speaker 1: when he sees me if I'm there helping out or something. 154 00:05:57,040 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 1: So I can't be that horrible of a father, like 155 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:01,599 Speaker 1: if he at least enjoys my company that much that. 156 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:03,480 Speaker 4: I'm frying from you. 157 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 1: All the time. Oh man, when I watched it, he 158 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 1: did Hades Town. I was telling you guys before we 159 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 1: came on. He did Hades Town at this little like 160 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 1: act One. It's a company called Act One where they 161 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 1: do like children's theater and they and he played Hades 162 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:18,719 Speaker 1: and Hadestown and I ugly cried the entire time with pride, 163 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 1: like I was the kid was incredible. 164 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 3: Justin crying in front of his kids. Is not like 165 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:24,559 Speaker 3: you crying. 166 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 5: If you cried in front of your kids, they'd think 167 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 5: you were going through some sort of breakdown. 168 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, they've seen it. They know. 169 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 1: Anytime they do something that I'm proud of, I well up. 170 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 1: Like they know that. 171 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:37,279 Speaker 2: They know that. Dad. They tease me about it. They're like, 172 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 2: even Natalie said I. 173 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 3: Would started crying. I really would. I would call nine one. 174 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 2: And here's the thing. 175 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:46,839 Speaker 1: It's also a lot of pressure the other way because 176 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 1: now if they do something and I don't cry, then 177 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 1: it's like it's a huge tell. But like, oh, he 178 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 1: doesn't care about that. 179 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:54,920 Speaker 2: All right. 180 00:06:57,120 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 5: This moment, I was trying on wedding dresses and I 181 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 5: come out and I thought one looked good. 182 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:02,719 Speaker 3: And I come out. My mom's like, eh, I was like, 183 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 3: what that's it? Where are the tears? Where's the oh 184 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:07,479 Speaker 3: my god, my little girl? 185 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 2: None what you're saying yes to the dress? Ball? 186 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 3: I was like, I was like, all right, I'll get 187 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 3: this one. Let's get the hell out of here. 188 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 4: Study study sorry, show that non parents are happier than 189 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 4: parents is coming. 190 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 3: I'm pretty happy, guys. 191 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 2: Sometimes you're gonna laugh. Sometimes not all the time. 192 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 5: People are apparently still laughing over the whole Me going 193 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 5: after you for not going to my wedding and then 194 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 5: Amy King being like you didn't invite me to your wedding, 195 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 5: and me saying, well, you didn't work here saying. 196 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 3: Yes I did. 197 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 2: That was pretty classic. 198 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 3: It was pretty kind of broke for you a little bit, 199 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 3: I admit did. 200 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 4: That was one of the heartiest laughs I had had 201 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 4: in ten years long time. 202 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:54,679 Speaker 2: Hearing that story. 203 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, because I saw it coming to you. I could 204 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 4: see Amy the little camera little her start like moving 205 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 4: like she's gonna just like she's three point stand. She's 206 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 4: just waiting for that bell to be snapped. 207 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 3: And she did manailed it. 208 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 4: You craud like the Surgeon General. Last year, the Surgeon 209 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 4: General issued an advisory warning that parental stress can be 210 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 4: a major public health issue. You're a parent, I'm a parent. 211 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 2: She's not. 212 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 4: Studies show that non parents, Shannon are happier than parents. 213 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 2: Unless this is not good. 214 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 4: One of these three things are true. 215 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 1: Number one, your kids have moved out. That's not a 216 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 1: strong argument for parenting. If you're like, you're only happy 217 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 1: after they're gone. 218 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 2: After the number. 219 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:48,840 Speaker 1: Number two, you have a lot of money and good 220 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 1: work life balance, which usually means you can afford somebody 221 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:53,559 Speaker 1: to take care of your kids. 222 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 2: Good so you can leave good point. And then number three. 223 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:59,840 Speaker 1: You live in the United States. Any of those three 224 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 1: things technically apply to you. You are not happier than 225 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:05,199 Speaker 1: people who do not have children. 226 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 3: Interesting because of the stress alone. 227 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 2: And the cost. Like they also go into a lot 228 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 2: of the cur. 229 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:16,719 Speaker 5: Right, Like, but I can't even if your kids are 230 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 5: doing great, you're stressed. 231 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:21,839 Speaker 1: Yes, but I would argue that Gary and I are 232 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 1: pretty solid fathers who have great people that we have raised. 233 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:28,680 Speaker 1: He's further along than I have, But I would I'm stressed, 234 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 1: tell you what, you just heard me talk about it 235 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 1: for seven minutes. I'm worried about my kids self confidence. 236 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:37,440 Speaker 4: But but I would say it this way. You also 237 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 4: cannot quantify the life of being the father to children 238 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:47,959 Speaker 4: like there's the positive side of it. I mean, it 239 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 4: would be so hard to describe the feeling of I 240 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 4: mean to go way back to the beginning, to the 241 00:09:56,760 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 4: feeling of I made that it grew in her like 242 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:06,200 Speaker 4: it's hard to describe wrap your head around it unless 243 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:07,959 Speaker 4: you're in the midst of it. And then you see 244 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:13,439 Speaker 4: this thing that you know is produced in the birth room, and. 245 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:15,839 Speaker 2: You're like, that is part of me. 246 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:22,320 Speaker 4: That's it's the weirdest, most bizarre, guttural, basic instinct that's 247 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 4: so hard to describe. 248 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 1: But I feel like, and tell me if I'm wronger 249 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:26,959 Speaker 1: and I'm not just saying this is a joke. I 250 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 1: feel like that feeling in that moment lasts maybe two 251 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 1: to three minutes, and then it's immediately filled with petrified 252 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 1: fear of like, now I have to take care of 253 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 1: this thing. This they can't do anything on its own. 254 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 1: I gotta pay bills for this thing. I gotta find 255 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 1: a way to feed it, like oh my god. And 256 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:42,199 Speaker 1: it just starts there, and you keep thinking, well, when 257 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 1: I get to this stage, it'll be easier. And there 258 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:47,200 Speaker 1: was there was like a sweet spot between like six 259 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 1: and tenish that was like pretty chill, and then they 260 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 1: got into middle school. Middle school is the worst time 261 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:53,319 Speaker 1: to be a parent. I still stand by that. I 262 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:55,559 Speaker 1: wish somebody would have all the all the parenting books, 263 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 1: all the experts I've had on the podcast Nobody warned 264 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 1: me about how bad middle school would be, because you 265 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:02,679 Speaker 1: could have kids who are good and then they're just 266 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 1: struggling and you don't know why, which is super frustrating, 267 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 1: or even if you have like a semblance of an idea, 268 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:09,600 Speaker 1: why they're at this phase where you can't get through 269 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:11,080 Speaker 1: to them the way you could when they were eight 270 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:14,200 Speaker 1: and now, thankfully, I think so my kids are teenagers, 271 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:16,320 Speaker 1: which is supposed to be also a very tough time, 272 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 1: but it's not that bad, like they have more serious 273 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 1: kind of issues and problems, But I feel like there's 274 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:23,680 Speaker 1: enough of a foundation between me and my kids that 275 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:26,440 Speaker 1: I feel good about it. But to your point, I 276 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 1: don't know if it's I think, like Shannon said this 277 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:31,680 Speaker 1: when we first started doing these, is that she knew 278 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 1: she never wanted to have kids. It wasn't about that 279 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:35,440 Speaker 1: she thought she would be unhappy. It was just like 280 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 1: she just liked to do what she wanted to do. 281 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:39,840 Speaker 1: I'll tell me if I'm not putting words in your mouth. 282 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 1: And I don't know about you, Gary, but I know 283 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:44,839 Speaker 1: from jump like it was I wanted to do it 284 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:47,440 Speaker 1: like I wanted to have kids. But I'm still sitting 285 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:49,200 Speaker 1: here as a guy who loves it so much that 286 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 1: I come here once a week can talk about it. 287 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:55,559 Speaker 1: It doesn't sound it sounds pretty awesome to not have kids. 288 00:11:56,880 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 5: Thing if you never if it never struck you to 289 00:11:59,480 --> 00:11:59,959 Speaker 5: have kids. 290 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:01,960 Speaker 3: Like me, it never struck me. I waited for it 291 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 3: to happen one day, to be like I really want this. 292 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 3: It never did. 293 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 5: And I think that that's one of the reasons why 294 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 5: you shouldn't have kids. Yes, I think you absolutely need 295 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:12,720 Speaker 5: to have that fire that you had to have kids. 296 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 3: I think that's only fair for you should. 297 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 2: Not have kids if you don't want them. 298 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 1: And I like that that cultural stigma of like, well 299 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 1: you have to have kids, now that's what you do, 300 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:20,679 Speaker 1: it kind of seems to be sliding away. 301 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 5: But I do have friends that wanted kids and didn't 302 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 5: For whatever reason, it didn't work out for them, and 303 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 5: I don't think that they would follow under the happier. 304 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 2: They wanted it, but they just didn't happen, right. 305 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 3: I don't think they're as happy as I am with. 306 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 2: The child I was kind of hoping that would break 307 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 2: a bay. Are thriving. 308 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 3: They're happy. 309 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 5: But I think that if you wanted to have kids 310 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:45,680 Speaker 5: and it didn't work out for you for whatever reason, 311 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 5: that there's always going to be that that hole or 312 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 5: that want or what happened. 313 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 1: I guess that makes sense because it's also like you 314 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:55,080 Speaker 1: don't know, right like just like I think the real 315 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:58,239 Speaker 1: reason why it sounds so appealing is that when inherently 316 00:12:58,280 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 1: you can't think of, like, what would it be like 317 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:02,320 Speaker 1: if I didn't have kids without focusing on all of 318 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 1: the pain in the butt parts, right, like all the 319 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 1: tough parts, you know, like me getting to watch my 320 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:09,840 Speaker 1: kid performing this musical and cry with pride is not 321 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 1: part of the equation when I say don't have kids. 322 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, And then on the extreme side, I mean there 323 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 4: are people who have kids and then lose them for 324 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:18,559 Speaker 4: where you know they they lose them to an illness 325 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:21,840 Speaker 4: or an accident or something like that. And of those people, 326 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 4: I don't know of anybody because it would be an 327 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 4: awful admission to probably make publicly, but nobody would go. 328 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:30,559 Speaker 4: I would if I did it, I would never wouldn't 329 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 4: do have kids again, Like they're lucky to have had 330 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 4: the time that they had with their child, and humongous 331 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 4: like divorce rates when that kind of thing happens, because 332 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:42,120 Speaker 4: it just I think it hurts, and so it's everything 333 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:43,960 Speaker 4: is a reminder, and so it's hard to get away 334 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 4: from me. 335 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:45,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good point too. 336 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:47,840 Speaker 3: All Right, I'll keep talk about something nice to like, 337 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 3: you know, something good. 338 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 2: Would you guys talk about TV? Isn't that coming up soon? 339 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 2: Or is that? 340 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:52,679 Speaker 5: No? 341 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 3: Say something good about your children. 342 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 2: Good about my children? I mean I already said that 343 00:13:57,520 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 2: he was in the musical. 344 00:13:58,880 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 3: Is that musical still running? 345 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:01,200 Speaker 2: No? It was one week. 346 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:04,080 Speaker 3: Is it a musical or is it a play with music? 347 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 2: I think we don't have time to talk about that. 348 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 3: You sure know. 349 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 2: Also, how do. 350 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 1: You love sports that you don't know the answer to 351 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 1: that question? And also look at the joy that you 352 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 1: just brought Gary with that question. As a man who 353 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 1: walks the board's. 354 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 3: What I do. It's what I do.