1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:02,960 Speaker 1: Goo night. Michael Brown joins me here, the former FEMA 2 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:04,600 Speaker 1: director of talk show host Michael Brown. 3 00:00:04,680 --> 00:00:07,080 Speaker 2: Brownie, no Brownie. You're doing a heck of a job 4 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:11,400 Speaker 2: the Weekend with Michael Brown broadcasting Life from Denver, Colorado. 5 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:13,280 Speaker 2: You've tuned into the Weekend with Michael Brown. Glad to 6 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 2: have you joining the program today. Text line, of course, 7 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:17,720 Speaker 2: is always open. It's open twenty four hours a day, 8 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:19,920 Speaker 2: seven days a week. We're just like a convenience store. 9 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:22,239 Speaker 2: So anytime you want to tell me anything or ask 10 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 2: me anything on your Matthew Jap whichever one you use 11 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:27,480 Speaker 2: doesn't make any difference to me. The number is three 12 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:30,320 Speaker 2: three one zero three three three one zero three. Just 13 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 2: use the keyword micro Michael, because I can't get the 14 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:35,200 Speaker 2: stupid company to get rid of that keyword problem anyway, 15 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 2: keyword micro Michael. Tell me anything, ask me anything, and 16 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 2: they knew me a favor. Go follow me over on 17 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:43,600 Speaker 2: social media, whether it's ex Facebook or Instagram. They're all 18 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 2: at Michael D. Brown, at Michael D. Brown. I want 19 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 2: to go back to a story that I was starting 20 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 2: to do yesterday on the weekday program, and I got 21 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:53,479 Speaker 2: a little ways through it, and then we had some 22 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 2: other stuff come up, but I want to get back 23 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 2: to it because it's uh. I want to have a 24 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 2: larger audience today and it so more people around the 25 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:04,959 Speaker 2: country are going to hear the story. So I want 26 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:06,959 Speaker 2: to pick up. Why not pick up where I left off. 27 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:08,959 Speaker 2: I think I'll just start all over. But I want 28 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:10,400 Speaker 2: to hear you. I want you to hear the story. 29 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 2: It involves California. It involves the governor California, Gavin Newsom, 30 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 2: the California Air Resources Board, the California Energy Commission, and 31 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 2: I think it's going to do eventually involve probably every 32 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:28,479 Speaker 2: blue state in the country, and for that matter, other 33 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:33,120 Speaker 2: than the fact that I might think that this movement 34 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 2: by California might be enough overreach that we might actually 35 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 2: see the disappearance of the not completely, there will always 36 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:45,960 Speaker 2: be a cult, but I think we might see at 37 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 2: least the diminution or the kind of isolation of the 38 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 2: church of the climate activists. Wouldn't that be wonderful if 39 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 2: we could all just recognize I mean, if you look 40 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 2: at what's going on in the Middle East, what's going 41 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 2: on in Venezuela look cute, but you look at what's 42 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 2: going on in the oil industry rent large all around 43 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:10,960 Speaker 2: the country Russia. Everybody, you're beginning to realize that for 44 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 2: the foreseeable future, probably if you're just and I can't 45 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 2: keep the generations correct, but if you're in your twenties, 46 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 2: I think it'll be true for your lifetime. Absence some 47 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 2: sort of amazing discovery, we're going to rely on oil 48 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 2: and gas fossil fuels to be our baseline, stable, continuous 49 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 2: support of cheap, reliable energy for the foreseeable future. But 50 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 2: crazy places like California keep trying to drive up the 51 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:54,359 Speaker 2: cost artificially in hopes of getting rid of the industry entirely, 52 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 2: and California is getting pretty darn close to doing it. 53 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 2: And for all everybody live in that lives in California, 54 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:06,520 Speaker 2: I just want to say, if you think that oil 55 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 2: and gases are or gas prices are increasing at the pump, now, uh, 56 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 2: you're luck. You don't need to worry about the war 57 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 2: in Iran. You don't need to worry about Russian oil 58 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 2: or anything else. What you need to worry about is 59 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 2: your own state. This past week, a letter landed on 60 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 2: the desk of all the people I just mentioned earlier. 61 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 2: The governor, the California Air Resources Board, the acronyms known 62 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 2: as CARB, the California Energy Commission, and the entire California legislature. 63 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 2: So every power center got served at once with this letter. 64 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 2: And the letter came from the president of Chevron Oil. 65 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 2: Andy what's his last name? I keep forgetting Andy Walls 66 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 2: one of his relation to Governor Walls, Andy Walls. The 67 00:03:55,880 --> 00:04:00,160 Speaker 2: letter is amazing. And here's here's the headline in the 68 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 2: story directly from the letter. CARBS proposed cap and invest regulation, 69 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 2: which is it's a carbon tax. But we'll get to 70 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 2: that in a second. Carbs proposed cap and invest regulation. 71 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:16,360 Speaker 2: It will raise the price of gasoline, threaten the reliability 72 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 2: of California's fuel supply, impact California jobs, and threaten energy 73 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 2: security for the entire United States. Not California's energy security, 74 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:32,039 Speaker 2: but the inner energy security of all of you living 75 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 2: in I don't care you're living in an oil producing 76 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:37,360 Speaker 2: state like Wyoming or Texas, or for that matter of 77 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 2: Colorado at least we're trying to hang on, or you're 78 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 2: living in Connecticut or Michigan or Florida. I don't It's 79 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 2: gonna affect everybody. I know. This is not just some 80 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:51,360 Speaker 2: oil and gas company. This just isn't Chevron that's out 81 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 2: there complaining about regulations, because well, they always do that. 82 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 2: If you're in business, whether you're a giant, you know, 83 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:04,559 Speaker 2: multinational corporation like Chevron, or you're a small straw man 84 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:12,279 Speaker 2: argument that business is always complaining about regulation. The question 85 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:16,039 Speaker 2: is never whether a witness, For example, I think about 86 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 2: it as a lawyer. It's not whether a witness has 87 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:23,719 Speaker 2: an interest in the outcome, because every witness does. The 88 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 2: only question is whether the fact supports the argument. And 89 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 2: in this case, the facts that I'm going to tell 90 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:34,919 Speaker 2: you come largely from California's own government documents. Chevron's not 91 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 2: making up the numbers, They're quoting the California Energy Commission 92 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 2: back at itself. So let's go through it. What is 93 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:50,920 Speaker 2: cap and cap and invest? And why is the California 94 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 2: Air Resources Board making it worse? California's cap and invest program, 95 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 2: which the rest of the world calls cap and trade. 96 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:04,160 Speaker 2: I just that in and of itself interesting. I want 97 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:07,479 Speaker 2: you to think about the language cap and trade. We've 98 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 2: all come to know over the past what couple of 99 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 2: decades that we know that's just a carbon tax. So 100 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:17,159 Speaker 2: what's California trying to do here? Whether it's the legislature, 101 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 2: the Air Resources Board, the Energy Commission, the governor doesn't 102 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:25,839 Speaker 2: make any difference. Cap and invest Ooh that sounds really good, 103 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 2: doesn't it. They're going to invest. What it really does 104 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:35,360 Speaker 2: is it sets a ceiling on total greenhouse gas emissions 105 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 2: of whatever kind, even the kind that I'm exhaling right now, 106 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 2: and then they will issue a permit for every ton 107 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:47,480 Speaker 2: of CO two in particular that you're allowed to emit. 108 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 2: So companies that need to emit more CO two to 109 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:54,839 Speaker 2: manufacture their widgets can then go to a company that's 110 00:06:54,880 --> 00:07:00,960 Speaker 2: buy that is manufacturing paper clips, and they don't need 111 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:03,600 Speaker 2: they don't need to admit as much CO two, so 112 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:06,360 Speaker 2: they can buy allowances. If you're a Catholic, you might 113 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 2: call it in an indulgence. In theory, it's a market 114 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 2: based way to reduce emissions. Because I told my audience 115 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 2: on Friday, this is the kind of thing that Milton Friedman, 116 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 2: the famed economists would look at and say, oh, it's 117 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 2: a carbon tax. Just look at the structure. I don't 118 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 2: care what you call it. It's a carbon tax by 119 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 2: any name that you want to call it. But what 120 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 2: I want to do is I want to walk through 121 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 2: what happens when you keep tightening the cap in a market, 122 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 2: and in this case California, that is already structurally broken. 123 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 2: And this is one of the key points that I 124 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 2: want you to keep in mind. The point that I 125 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 2: want to make here is that California's entire energy system 126 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:59,679 Speaker 2: right now is structurally broken. California is what the energy 127 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 2: industy calls a fuel island. It requires its own unique 128 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 2: gasoline blend called carbob that only California refineries and maybe 129 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 2: a tiny handful of refiners can produce. So when a 130 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 2: California refinery closes, it doesn't just reduce the supply of 131 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 2: gasoline in California, it removes the capacity to make the 132 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:29,239 Speaker 2: only fuel that California cars can legally burn. You can't 133 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 2: call it Houston and say, hey, send us a million 134 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 2: barrels of oil, because Houston's fuel doesn't meet California's standards. 135 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:40,199 Speaker 2: And if you're gonna import from Asia, that takes weeks. 136 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 2: And when a refinery goes down unexpectedly because of something 137 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 2: other than this, California doesn't have weeks in which to 138 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:51,320 Speaker 2: continue to supply gasoline to its population. That's the broken system. 139 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 2: Let me tell you what they're gonna do with that system. 140 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:56,960 Speaker 2: They're gonna break it even more. That's coming up next. 141 00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 2: It's the Weekend with Michael Brown. Be sure and follow 142 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:02,840 Speaker 2: me on the social media platforms x, Facebook, Instagram. It's 143 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:04,960 Speaker 2: at Michael D. Brown. Hang tight, I'll be right back. 144 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:14,080 Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Weekend with Michael Brown. Glad to 145 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 2: have you with me. Give me a favorite bishuon, subscribe 146 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:19,200 Speaker 2: to the podcast. Whatever podcast app you use doesn't make 147 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:23,080 Speaker 2: any difference. 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The California Air Resources Board wants to dramatically 157 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:56,960 Speaker 2: tighten their cap and invest cap and trade program. And 158 00:09:57,040 --> 00:10:01,320 Speaker 2: here's where the letter from Chevron really gets devastating because 159 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 2: they use California's own math. Chevron doesn't make up this math. 160 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 2: They're not their numbers. They take the numbers from the 161 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 2: California Air Resources Board, and they use those numbers to 162 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 2: throw it back at California and say here. Now, the 163 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:20,840 Speaker 2: California Energy Commission itself already says that this program this 164 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 2: cap and invest. I just hate saying cap and invest, 165 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:26,199 Speaker 2: so I'm gonna call it cap and trade because that's 166 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:29,200 Speaker 2: what it really is. It's not capp and invest. They're 167 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 2: not investing anything. They're taking more of your money so 168 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 2: they can spend that money on a bunch of green 169 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:38,080 Speaker 2: energy projects, all to your detriment, whether you're in California 170 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 2: or anywhere else. But the California Energy Commission itself already 171 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:48,559 Speaker 2: says that this program adds twenty four cents to every 172 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 2: gallon of gas, every twenty four cents to every gallon 173 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:55,559 Speaker 2: you buy. Now, go look at whatever your taxes are 174 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:59,960 Speaker 2: in California and then realize that you when you substrate 175 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 2: all of that, what your price of gas would be, 176 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 2: and then subtract another twenty four cents. Wow. Their own 177 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:14,960 Speaker 2: regulatory impact assessment says that every ten dollars increase in 178 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:18,840 Speaker 2: their cap and trate allowance price adds another nine cents 179 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:23,040 Speaker 2: a gallon. So if an allowance price in California hits 180 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 2: that price ceiling, the ceiling that the California Air Resources 181 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 2: Board itself designed approximately one hundred and thirty five dollars 182 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 2: by twenty thirty. And you see, Davis, they've calculated looking 183 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 2: at this same program, they say that it will add 184 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:41,959 Speaker 2: a dollar and twenty one cents per gallon to California 185 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:45,719 Speaker 2: gases by twenty thirty. You know, there was a time 186 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 2: when twenty thirty seemed like a long time away. That's 187 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 2: just four years away, actually less than four years away. 188 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 2: And think about just the normal rate of inflation just 189 00:11:57,200 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 2: one or two percent per year. Or think about just 190 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:02,679 Speaker 2: the increase cost of refining and just doing you know, 191 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 2: just producing and shipping that you'll get prices just go 192 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 2: up one dollar and twenty one cents per gallon from 193 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 2: one program. And that's on top of everything else that's 194 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:18,000 Speaker 2: already baked into California gas prices, which already run on 195 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:21,439 Speaker 2: average about a buck and a half above the national average. 196 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:25,080 Speaker 2: So while we're talking about I'm talking about the real, 197 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:31,599 Speaker 2: realistic path two, seven or eight dollars gas in California. 198 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 2: And those numbers aren't coming from Chevron, and they're not 199 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:39,559 Speaker 2: coming from the oil industry. They come from the California 200 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 2: Energy Commission and the University of California Davis. Now, let 201 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 2: me give you the context of this letter, because it 202 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 2: didn't arrive in a vacuum. Back in nineteen eighty three, 203 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:54,959 Speaker 2: go this ancient history, right, it's go all the way 204 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 2: back to nineteen eighty three. California had forty four zero 205 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 2: forty operating refineries they have today. Eleven forty years of 206 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 2: increasingly aggressive environmental regulation eliminated almost seventy five percent of 207 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:19,200 Speaker 2: California's own refining capacity. And I would say that the 208 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 2: advocates for things like cap and trade say that's the 209 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 2: point because they want to transition California away from fossil fuels. Well, 210 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 2: here's my response. That argument is only coherent if the 211 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 2: transition is keeping pace with the destruction, and it isn't. 212 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:43,440 Speaker 2: California is still the second largest consumer of gas in 213 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 2: the country and the largest consumer user of gas powered 214 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:57,679 Speaker 2: vehicles on the road. The recent body count, this is 215 00:13:57,720 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 2: what it's doing. This is the real impact Chevron moved 216 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:06,200 Speaker 2: its headquarters from California to Texas two years ago after 217 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty years in the state. Philip sixty 218 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 2: six closed its Los Angeles refinery, which was over eight 219 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 2: percent almost ten percent of California's total refining capacity, late 220 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 2: last year and actually two days after the governor signed 221 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 2: a new refinment refinery regulation. Philip sixty six looked at 222 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 2: it and said, we can't. We can't absorb those costs, 223 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 2: so we just shut the refinery down. Valero is shutting 224 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 2: a refinery in Minitia in this I think next month sometime. 225 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 2: I know it's this year. I think it's next month now. 226 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 2: Chevron's letter says that the California Energy Commission's own twenty 227 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 2: twenty four Transportation Fuels Assessment warned itself this supply declines 228 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 2: from refinery closures resulting and I'm quoting the California Energy 229 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 2: Commission now, I'm not quoting Chevron on steep sudden declines 230 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 2: in gasoline production capacity, steep sudden declines that Sacramento talking. 231 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 2: That's not big Oil trying to scare you. That's the 232 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 2: state's own Energy Commission saying that that's what California's going 233 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 2: to get why why are we so s well, not 234 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 2: we they, but eventually us two so stupid because that 235 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 2: economic damage is not abstract. According to the Los Angeles 236 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 2: Economic Development Council, they have an Institute for Applied Economics. 237 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 2: California's petroleum industry supports more than half a million jobs statewide. 238 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 2: It generates fifty three billion in annual labor income. That 239 00:15:56,840 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 2: means fifty three billion dollars that goes in into the 240 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 2: hands of individuals that then use that money to buy 241 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 2: well gas, They buy gas, they buy groceries, they pay 242 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 2: for electric bills, they buy cars, they buy houses, they 243 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 2: buy clothes, they buy shoes, they buy electronics, they buy everything. 244 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 2: Fifty three billion in labor income, and that contributes sixty 245 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 2: four billion in tax revenues. So that's what's funding the 246 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 2: schools and roads, in healthcare in California, and it generates 247 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 2: about one hundred and sixty six billion in value added 248 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 2: economic activity. And Chevron's letter is basically saying, very matter 249 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 2: of factly, all of that is now at risk, Every 250 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:43,720 Speaker 2: single bit of that is now at risk. Now I 251 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 2: want to talk to you about part of this letter 252 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 2: that I think is the most significant part that nobody 253 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 2: really talks about because it stops being just about gas prices. 254 00:16:56,320 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 2: Chevron's letter includes a section titled risk to military Readiness, 255 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:09,200 Speaker 2: national security, and fuel supplies. Here's the letter quote verbatim quote. 256 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:13,919 Speaker 2: California's in state refining system plays an important role in 257 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 2: supporting US energy security, national defense, including more than thirty 258 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:21,480 Speaker 2: military defense installations in the state itself that could be 259 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:29,480 Speaker 2: compromised if this policy is finalized. More than thirty military installations. Wow, 260 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 2: just think about California's geography. San Diego the largest naval 261 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:37,119 Speaker 2: fleet concentration in the entire world. Mira mar Edwards Air 262 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 2: Force Base, Bandenburg, Ventura County Naval Base. I go on 263 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:43,399 Speaker 2: and on, and what's that going to do to the 264 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 2: rest of the country. Hang tied. I'll tell you next. 265 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 2: Don't go away to night. Michael Brown joins me here, 266 00:17:56,720 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 2: the former FEMA director. 267 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 1: Talk show host Michael Brown. Brownie, you're doing a heck 268 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:03,439 Speaker 1: of a job the Weekend with Michael Brown. 269 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:05,920 Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Weekend with Michael Brown. Glad to 270 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:07,199 Speaker 2: have you with me. You know, if you like what 271 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:09,879 Speaker 2: we do on the Weekend program, you got to listen 272 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:11,919 Speaker 2: to us weekdays. It's really easy to do. Take your 273 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:16,240 Speaker 2: iHeart app and set a preset for this station KOA 274 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 2: call letters are KOA like the campground KOA. It's eight 275 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 2: fifty AM ninety four to one FM hit. That is 276 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:26,399 Speaker 2: a preset, and then you can stream me live Monday 277 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 2: through Friday from nine to noon mountain time. So let's 278 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:32,879 Speaker 2: set that preset on your app right now and stream 279 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:35,439 Speaker 2: us live during the weekday. Let's go back to this 280 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 2: California Cap and trade because this is I think one 281 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:43,199 Speaker 2: of the parts of the letter that of course the 282 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:45,159 Speaker 2: Cabal is not going to tell you about, and that 283 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 2: is the risks to military readiness, national security, and fuel supplies. Now, 284 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:54,400 Speaker 2: most people don't really think about everything that is stuck 285 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 2: on the West coast San Diego. As I said before 286 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:01,040 Speaker 2: the break, you've got the law or just naval fleet 287 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:06,280 Speaker 2: concentration in the entire world. You got Mira mar you 288 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:09,600 Speaker 2: got Edwards Air Force Base, you got Vandenberg, you got 289 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 2: Ventura County Naval Base. California is our country's Pacific gateway, 290 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 2: and those installations run on aviation fuel JP eight Jeday 291 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 2: and California refineries produce that fuel. And the letter from 292 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 2: Chevron makes it strategically obvious. The problem with what they're 293 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 2: doing in California. The letter says, continued erosion of California's 294 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 2: refining capacity increases reliance on imported fuels that are slower 295 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 2: to arrive, more exposed to global supply disruptions, and less 296 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:54,480 Speaker 2: reliable during emergencies or periods of heightened geopolitical risk. 297 00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:55,879 Speaker 1: Oh. 298 00:19:56,600 --> 00:20:01,120 Speaker 2: Slower to arrive. Oh, who cares about that in an emergency? 299 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 2: Less reliable in an emergency? Oh, I don't worry about that. 300 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 2: Higher geopolitical exposure. We have rising tensions in the Indo 301 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:19,159 Speaker 2: Pacific with China. Now that's not a footnote. What that is, 302 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:22,880 Speaker 2: in my opinion, is a national security crisis that's evolving 303 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 2: in slow motion. But here's the political reality that at 304 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:31,920 Speaker 2: least Chevron understands that this argument about national security doesn't 305 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:35,639 Speaker 2: go away when guys, when gas prices come down. It 306 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 2: lives in the Pentagon, It lives in the Congressional Armed 307 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:42,520 Speaker 2: Services Committee hearings. It creates a potential federal preemption question. 308 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:48,879 Speaker 2: Can California implement regulations that materially compromise US military operational capacity? 309 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:51,160 Speaker 2: I don't think they should be allowed to do it. 310 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 2: Up to now, the Chevron California fight has always been 311 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:59,720 Speaker 2: framed as an environment versus corporate profits battle. California wins 312 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:03,119 Speaker 2: that that kind of framing every single time in the media. 313 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:08,240 Speaker 2: But corporate profits versus military readiness on the Pacific coast, 314 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 2: that's a different kind of argument. That's a different fight. 315 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 2: And Chevron finally opened that door for maybe some y'all 316 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:20,199 Speaker 2: who's in DC to recognize what the state of California 317 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:26,320 Speaker 2: is doing to military readiness in this country. Probably the 318 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:30,679 Speaker 2: most revealing subplot of this story involves a man that 319 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:34,920 Speaker 2: wants to be your next president. Gavin Newsom has spent 320 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:40,120 Speaker 2: decades doing everything in his power to strangle California's oil 321 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:44,359 Speaker 2: and gas industry. He sued Chevron, he signed a gas 322 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 2: price gouging law. He's called special legislative sessions to regulate 323 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:52,640 Speaker 2: these refineries. It's kind of interesting because you've gone from 324 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:54,479 Speaker 2: what was it thirty or forty down to you know, 325 00:21:55,359 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 2: maybe ten. The refineries are close gas headed towards seven bucks, 326 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:07,679 Speaker 2: and his own Energy Commission is warning about steep sudden 327 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 2: supply declines. Now do we have to do basic economics 328 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:17,440 Speaker 2: when the supply declines? What happens? Oh, there's the obvious 329 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 2: gas lines and what yes, higher prices, And Gavin Newsom, 330 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:29,240 Speaker 2: the goud it was to be the next president, quietly 331 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 2: and carefully signed legislation that fast tracks two thousand new 332 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:38,159 Speaker 2: oil wells per year in Kerrn County, California. And he 333 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 2: told reporters with a straight face that this is not 334 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:47,200 Speaker 2: an ideological endeavor. We're in the practical application business. Oh really, 335 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:53,679 Speaker 2: Gavin Newsom has discovered practical application. I guess that's what 336 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 2: happens when your ideology meets the gas pump. But here's 337 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:02,080 Speaker 2: the tragedy for consumers in California. It's probably too late. 338 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:08,359 Speaker 2: You can't unclose a refinery. The workforce disperses the permit's lap, 339 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 2: and the economics of reopening had closed refinery in California's 340 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:15,720 Speaker 2: regulatory environmental or for all, I think, for all practical purposes, 341 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 2: probably near impossible. So nuisance pivot may be sincere. I'm 342 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:23,440 Speaker 2: not going to judge that. I think it has more 343 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 2: to do with their running for president than the economic 344 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:30,959 Speaker 2: realities of what's happening in California. But his pivot is 345 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:34,440 Speaker 2: in a way, locking the barn door after the horse 346 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 2: has already escaped. So let me close, Let me close 347 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:43,320 Speaker 2: the case the company that has one hundred and fifty 348 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:47,960 Speaker 2: years in one state. Watched this headquarters move to Texas, 349 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:53,840 Speaker 2: watched Phillip sixty six Valero close their refineries, watch the 350 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:57,959 Speaker 2: refinery count fall from forty to eleven, watch gas prices 351 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:01,199 Speaker 2: become the highest in the nation. And now, even on 352 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:03,879 Speaker 2: top of all of that, they still are looking at 353 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:08,560 Speaker 2: a proposed regulation that California's own math, not Chevron's math, 354 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:11,400 Speaker 2: says we'll add another buck twenty one per gallon by 355 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:15,720 Speaker 2: twenty thirty. So Chevron decided to write a stern letter 356 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:18,840 Speaker 2: to the governor and to the regulators, to the legislature 357 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:23,240 Speaker 2: all at once, basically saying this, if you do this, 358 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 2: the harm will be lasting and irreversible, not just to 359 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:32,240 Speaker 2: California consumers, but to the national economy, to all the 360 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:37,879 Speaker 2: neighboring states that depend on California's fuel supply, and adding 361 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:40,439 Speaker 2: in the third one which nobody wants to talk about, 362 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:48,160 Speaker 2: and to the military installations that guard America's Pacific flank. Now, 363 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:50,760 Speaker 2: let me try to be fair to the other side, 364 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:53,960 Speaker 2: because you know, at least try to be intellectually honest. 365 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 2: Climate change is real. I've always said that it is 366 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 2: and carbon emission. They may contribute a tiny, tiny bit, 367 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:07,280 Speaker 2: but I think solar flares and solar radiation and water 368 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:10,160 Speaker 2: vapor and everything else has more to do because our 369 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:14,000 Speaker 2: COEO two levels have been thousands of times higher than 370 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 2: what they are now. And cap and trade you could 371 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:21,879 Speaker 2: argue as theoretically a market friendly alternative to command and 372 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 2: control regulation, but I think that's a false equivalence. It's 373 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:30,399 Speaker 2: not really market friendly versus command and control regulation. They're 374 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:35,119 Speaker 2: just doing command and control. But a market mechanism, a 375 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:40,679 Speaker 2: market mechanism can only work when market alternatives exist, And 376 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:43,679 Speaker 2: in California's isolated fuel market where you have to have 377 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:47,399 Speaker 2: these special blends, there are no ready alternatives for the 378 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 2: millions of internal combustion vehicles. They're still on the road. 379 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:53,480 Speaker 2: They're not going anywhere. Most people can't afford to go 380 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 2: buy a new car or even a used car. They're 381 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,000 Speaker 2: gonna keep driving their cars right now until the tires 382 00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:00,800 Speaker 2: come off, till the wheels come off. And then raising 383 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,119 Speaker 2: the price of something that people have no alternative to 384 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 2: is not a market signal. That becomes at tax and 385 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:11,080 Speaker 2: it falls hardest on say the Central Valley farm workers 386 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,760 Speaker 2: or the Fresno small business owner of the riverside retiree, 387 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:18,360 Speaker 2: the people that the progressives, oh, they say they care 388 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:24,800 Speaker 2: the most about, and the environmental merits. California's own data 389 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:28,480 Speaker 2: shows that it has reduced in state emissions, it has 390 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:31,640 Speaker 2: increased its reliance on imported fuel from countries with lower 391 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:36,119 Speaker 2: environmental standards and less transparency. So you're not reducing global 392 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:40,600 Speaker 2: emissions one iota. What you're doing is you're doing the 393 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:43,560 Speaker 2: same thing that the people that drive electric vehicles claim 394 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:46,240 Speaker 2: to be doing. Oh I'm a mission free No, you 395 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,639 Speaker 2: just offshoored the emissions. You send them back to some 396 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:53,760 Speaker 2: other country on ships that burn enormous quantities of bunker 397 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 2: fuel from Asian refineries with none of California's environmental accountability. 398 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:05,480 Speaker 2: Environmental benefit of destroying California's refining industry is at best, 399 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 2: I think ambiguous, and at worse, it is truly a negative. 400 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:14,520 Speaker 2: Truly a negative. Here's what I want you to understand 401 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,280 Speaker 2: about what Chevron actually did with this letter. When a 402 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:20,960 Speaker 2: major publicly traded company writes in writing for the record 403 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:24,560 Speaker 2: that a government regulation will cause lasting, an irreversible harm, 404 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 2: they're not negotiating, they're documenting. It's creating a legal record. 405 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:35,439 Speaker 2: It's making absolutely sure that when those consequences that I 406 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:40,600 Speaker 2: describe actually arrive, when prices spike, when supplies fail, when 407 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:44,960 Speaker 2: somebody in the Pentagon says where's the jet fuel, there's 408 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,920 Speaker 2: no question about who was mourned and what they chose 409 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:52,879 Speaker 2: to do. Andy Walls's letter is, in legal terms, a notice, 410 00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 2: and Sacramento, California, and quite frankly, the countries should have 411 00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:03,480 Speaker 2: received that notice. Now becomes whether California answers with policy 412 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 2: or politics. And based on thirty years of evidence, trust me, 413 00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:12,600 Speaker 2: I'm not optimistic about it, but I do hope I'm wrong, 414 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:17,399 Speaker 2: because the alternative is seven dollars gas shutter refineries, fuel 415 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:20,280 Speaker 2: imports from Asia, a hall of out economy in America's 416 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:23,159 Speaker 2: most populous state. And it's not just a California problem. 417 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,400 Speaker 2: When it comes to energy. What starts from California rarely 418 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:31,320 Speaker 2: stays in California. And I'm really concerned about the national 419 00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:36,280 Speaker 2: security aspect. When the naval fleet wants to leave San 420 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:41,720 Speaker 2: Diego or a jet takes off from Vandenberg, I actually 421 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 2: want them to be able to take off because there's 422 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:49,040 Speaker 2: plenty of jet fuel and if they ever, god forbid, 423 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:52,720 Speaker 2: have to defend the left coast from an attack. I 424 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:57,000 Speaker 2: want the fuel to be there. California is weakening our 425 00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:01,520 Speaker 2: national defense and destroying their own people in the process 426 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:08,120 Speaker 2: of doing so. California, once again, good grief. Just want 427 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 2: to say, go away, go away. It's the Weekend with 428 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,640 Speaker 2: Michael Brown. Text lines always open three three ones zero three, 429 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,160 Speaker 2: keyword Mike or Michael. Hang tied. I'll be right back. 430 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:28,920 Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Weekend with Michael Brown. Let to 431 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:32,440 Speaker 2: have you with me. I appreciate you tuning in. Let's 432 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:36,400 Speaker 2: shift gears for just a second. I think eventually Americans 433 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:40,520 Speaker 2: will probably get fed up with the radical Islamis and 434 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 2: all of their kind of liberal horseshoe right allies. And 435 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:50,640 Speaker 2: it looks like New York under a pro terrace Muslim 436 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 2: Zoran mom Dommy actually could be approaching the boiling point. 437 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:59,320 Speaker 2: According to Fox News. Chaos erupted in Washington Square Park 438 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:03,040 Speaker 2: in Manhattan as a vigil for as a vigil mourning 439 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:06,760 Speaker 2: the death of Iranian Supreme leader Iatota al come Myee 440 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:12,800 Speaker 2: descended into violence yesterday with a video capturing a man 441 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:16,600 Speaker 2: being pummeled to the ground while attempting to tear down 442 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:21,840 Speaker 2: a poster of the late Iranian leader. You've got to 443 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:28,520 Speaker 2: be getting me. We've got people that are now, first, 444 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:32,720 Speaker 2: they're usefulidious, we know that, right. They These are people 445 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:38,520 Speaker 2: that don't think, but you might think that they are oh, 446 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:45,840 Speaker 2: pro trans, pro LGBT, pro whatever, you know, pro minorities, 447 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:50,000 Speaker 2: pro pro whatever, progressive liberal cause you can imagine they're 448 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:55,200 Speaker 2: probably all for that. Do they understand what Islamis would 449 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:58,840 Speaker 2: do to a transgender or to a gay man or 450 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:02,960 Speaker 2: a gay woman. Yeah, you know, just hang them with 451 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:06,360 Speaker 2: the noose from top of a crane. That's what they do. 452 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:12,160 Speaker 2: These people are truly idiots, and the terrorist dictator Commina 453 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,360 Speaker 2: will be remembered, I think for murdering his own people 454 00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:18,000 Speaker 2: thirty forty thousand or even more, you know, over forty 455 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:20,960 Speaker 2: not just him, but all the Ayatolas, all of them molas, 456 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:25,880 Speaker 2: and for murdering Americans, and for conspiring to murder millions 457 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:31,120 Speaker 2: more with one nuclear weapon. Now, if you're not familiar 458 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:35,440 Speaker 2: with New York City, Washington Square Park is about I 459 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:38,080 Speaker 2: would guess maybe a mile and a half from where 460 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:41,920 Speaker 2: the World Trade Center once stood. So after the guy 461 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:45,440 Speaker 2: in the SpongeBob SquarePants sweatshirt punched the counter demonstrator in 462 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:49,280 Speaker 2: the face. A major brawl might have ensued if the 463 00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:52,240 Speaker 2: New York PDE that mom Domney has called for defunding 464 00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:57,560 Speaker 2: and dismanly had not actually been on hand, because nearby 465 00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:01,719 Speaker 2: counter protesters waved a rain in American and Israeli flags 466 00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:08,800 Speaker 2: while chanting USA. Iranian flags were the pre Islamic Revolution 467 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:13,719 Speaker 2: lion and sun version representing the Iranian people, not the 468 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:18,360 Speaker 2: Islamic Republic of Iran flag that represents those repressing maniacs 469 00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:22,280 Speaker 2: who have ruled over them since nineteen seventy nine. And 470 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:26,000 Speaker 2: the flyers for the pro Commone event praise the dead 471 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:30,760 Speaker 2: tyrant for opposing the criminal American regime. The sides could 472 00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:38,760 Speaker 2: not be drawn more clearly. In America's largest city, less 473 00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:41,880 Speaker 2: than two miles from the World Trade Center, you have 474 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:48,280 Speaker 2: useful idiots actually exercising their First Amendment rights to praise 475 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:53,120 Speaker 2: someone almost as bad as and in many ways as 476 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:58,280 Speaker 2: bad as Adolf Hitler, a guy that just a guy 477 00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:03,680 Speaker 2: that a line of several iotolas have just repressed the 478 00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:07,080 Speaker 2: Iranian people, threatened peace in the Middle East, and is 479 00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:10,200 Speaker 2: currently even going after their Arab neighbors in the Middle East. 480 00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:16,080 Speaker 2: If if you don't think that this country is not 481 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:21,200 Speaker 2: infected with a bunch of really stupid Marxist idiots. You're 482 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:24,920 Speaker 2: really not paying attention. And speaking of Marxist the Marxist 483 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:29,440 Speaker 2: ideology of the Democrat Party is fundamentally criminal because it's 484 00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:31,480 Speaker 2: based on theft of mine. You know, they're always stealing 485 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:34,160 Speaker 2: from me. They're stealing my hard earned money, and they're 486 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:36,600 Speaker 2: wasting it away in places like Minnesota and other places. 487 00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:39,960 Speaker 2: So it shouldn't come as a surprise that no one 488 00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:45,600 Speaker 2: that Democrat politicians represent criminals at the expense of the law. Abiddy. 489 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,520 Speaker 2: This is Minnesota State Representative Dave Pento. 490 00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:52,200 Speaker 1: Several less are in the Public Safety Committee. Yesterday there 491 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:55,959 Speaker 1: was a presentation of a group seeking to change how 492 00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,440 Speaker 1: we address organize retail theft, and it actually had not 493 00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:00,000 Speaker 1: occurred to me to ask it probably would have been 494 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,720 Speaker 1: good to make sure that they would study sort of 495 00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:06,400 Speaker 1: the benefit of shoplifting and of retail theft, because perhaps 496 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:08,560 Speaker 1: people are relying on that and sort of using that. 497 00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:12,239 Speaker 1: Maybe it's you know, assisting them in some way. I mean, 498 00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:15,319 Speaker 1: these folks were describing people violating the law, but I 499 00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:18,120 Speaker 1: suppose it could be useful to look into that. But 500 00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:20,080 Speaker 1: ultimately it's a policy question, right, we do want to 501 00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:21,920 Speaker 1: make sure when we have a long place where we're 502 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:22,600 Speaker 1: enforcing it. 503 00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:27,840 Speaker 2: So do you catch that. Yesterday there was a presentation 504 00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,960 Speaker 2: of a group seeking to change how we address organize 505 00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:34,239 Speaker 2: retail theft. And it actually had occurred to me this 506 00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:37,239 Speaker 2: y'all who says to ask it probably would have been 507 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,520 Speaker 2: good to make sure that they would study sort of 508 00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:44,160 Speaker 2: the benefit of shoplifting and the benefit of retail theft, 509 00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:48,160 Speaker 2: because perhaps people are relying on that and the sort 510 00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:52,000 Speaker 2: of using that shoplifting and maybe it's you know, assisting 511 00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:55,440 Speaker 2: them in some way. Oh, I don't think there's a 512 00:34:55,480 --> 00:35:00,239 Speaker 2: need for a study. I can assure this representative that 513 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:05,120 Speaker 2: theft does benefit the thieves. The only problem with shoplifting 514 00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:08,560 Speaker 2: from the Democrat point of view is that it well, 515 00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:11,480 Speaker 2: it cuts out the bureaucratic middleman, you know, the cops 516 00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:14,640 Speaker 2: because always getting in the way, or the business owner 517 00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:17,880 Speaker 2: who cares about the business owner. You you own a bidego, 518 00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:20,920 Speaker 2: you own a convenience store, and you know you're barely 519 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:25,160 Speaker 2: getting by on very you know, very thin margins. Well, 520 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,960 Speaker 2: what that business owner, convenience store owner, bodego owners should 521 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,799 Speaker 2: do is look at the shoplifting is Oh, that's just 522 00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:36,160 Speaker 2: part of me contributing to the community. We live in 523 00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:41,360 Speaker 2: utterly insane times, utterly insane times, and nobody seems to 524 00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,200 Speaker 2: want to point it out that, you know, this, this guy, 525 00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,879 Speaker 2: this Representative Pento in Minnesota, ought to be he ought 526 00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:51,719 Speaker 2: to be blasted all over the country to show what 527 00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:56,880 Speaker 2: an absolute idiot he is. The benefits of retail theft 528 00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:00,960 Speaker 2: and shoplifting. You know, I have to admit that when 529 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,440 Speaker 2: I was doing show prep yesterday after my other show 530 00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:06,440 Speaker 2: and I came across this story, I thought to myself, 531 00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:08,439 Speaker 2: I never ever in my life thought that I would 532 00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:10,799 Speaker 2: go on air and talk about, hey, we have an 533 00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:13,960 Speaker 2: elected representative now. Of course doesn't surprise him, and he's 534 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:17,160 Speaker 2: a Democrat, but we have a Democrat elected representative. Of 535 00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:19,400 Speaker 2: course in a place like Minnesota. You know, which is 536 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:21,759 Speaker 2: is it burning down today? I haven't checked how much 537 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:25,480 Speaker 2: fraud's still going on that would say publicly in a 538 00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:29,040 Speaker 2: legislative committee hearing that we ought to look at shoplifting 539 00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:35,720 Speaker 2: and see if there isn't some sort of benefit to it. Wow. Whatever, 540 00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:37,680 Speaker 2: If you think you own a business, you own a car, 541 00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,240 Speaker 2: maybe you own you know, a nice watch, but somebody 542 00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:42,920 Speaker 2: needs to steal that from you. It's for the benefit 543 00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:46,080 Speaker 2: of the public. Yes, hang tight, See you on the 544 00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:46,920 Speaker 2: other side of the news.