1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Big Outdoors News Radio seven hundred WLW 2 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:06,680 Speaker 1: sinc an hip parked with you this morning. Last one, 3 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:11,119 Speaker 1: Tom Cross, he's probably hanging from his tree stand by 4 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:14,560 Speaker 1: now you know, went to grab something and fell out 5 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:17,639 Speaker 1: and now he's hanging by his harness. But you know, 6 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:20,919 Speaker 1: hopefully somebody finds him. If not, you know, well good 7 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:23,279 Speaker 1: luck to him. That's all I gotta say. Hey, we're 8 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:26,800 Speaker 1: gonna talk to the Ohio Division of Forestry this morning 9 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 1: because I know all you people out there listening, or 10 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:33,840 Speaker 1: at least ninety five percent, are getting ready to head 11 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 1: to the woods, whether it's your property, public land, a 12 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:41,880 Speaker 1: least property wherever it might be, to do a little 13 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:45,600 Speaker 1: deer hunting, maybe squirrel hunting. Uh, and you know all 14 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:49,920 Speaker 1: things woodsy out there. So let me bring in Aaron Cash. 15 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:52,920 Speaker 1: He is in a district of the Ohio Division of 16 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 1: Forestry in south west Ohio. Aaron, good morning, and how 17 00:00:56,600 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 1: you doing buddy? 18 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 2: Hey, good morning, Chip. I'm doing well today and appreciate 19 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 2: you having me on the program. 20 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 1: Absolutely, so you're you are? Are you a regional manager? 21 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 1: Tell tell folks out there you know who you are 22 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 1: and what your responsibilities are with Division of forestry. 23 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:19,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean regional managers of a fair assessment. Technically, 24 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 2: my title is the Southwest Service Forestry Coordinator, so I 25 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 2: am one of four coordinators throughout the state. My day 26 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 2: to day largely revolves around managing the Southwest District, which 27 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:40,040 Speaker 2: is an area of about twenty three counties that includes 28 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 2: currently for full time service foresters, one ecological analyst. We 29 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 2: have one vacancy at this time, so hopefully we'll be 30 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 2: fully staffed in the coming weeks or months. Then beyond that. 31 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 2: I also personally offer service forestry services to residents of 32 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 2: Hamilton County, so I have our Hamilton County myself along 33 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 2: with managing the staff or the other counties associated with 34 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 2: the Southwestern Ohio. 35 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 1: So you have a service forester for is there one 36 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 1: for just about every county in in your district or 37 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 1: the eighty eight statewide? 38 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:20,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a great question. So the entire state, all 39 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 2: eighty eight counties, has a service forester assigned to it. 40 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:28,360 Speaker 2: We don't have enough foresters for every county to have 41 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 2: its own forest or similar to what you might expect 42 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 2: with game wargs, but we currently have I think there's 43 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:39,800 Speaker 2: twenty five positions between four of those being coordinators, the 44 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 2: other twenty one being service foresters. So any given forest 45 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:48,240 Speaker 2: or service forester, their project area that we refer to, 46 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 2: it could range anywhere from two acres potentially up to 47 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 2: eleven and that's largely determined by what part of the 48 00:02:56,160 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 2: state they're in, how dense the forests cover is. Get 49 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 2: into northwest Ohio, those projects get larger because the forest 50 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 2: become a little more disperse. 51 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 1: Okay, but then then you go over into southeast Ohio 52 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 1: and you've got fifteen counties that are totally forested. 53 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 2: That's correct. Yeah, that's that's where a lot of our 54 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 2: more heavily forested acreages are found. And so you get 55 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:24,080 Speaker 2: down that way, most of the service foresters over in 56 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:26,360 Speaker 2: that part of the state are going to have two 57 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 2: to three county projects just due to the demands on 58 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:32,800 Speaker 2: their time and the capacity that they have. For Southwest 59 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 2: with my district, I think our smallest is four and 60 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 2: then the largest project could be seven counties as you 61 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 2: get into Champagne, Delaware or Hardin County up that way. 62 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, so everybody's winning. What does the service forester do. 63 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 2: That's a great question, and we do a lot to 64 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 2: ask you a lot. 65 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 1: Of great questions. 66 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 2: Okay, well, so what a lot of people don't realize 67 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 2: with the state of Ohio, there's eight million acres of 68 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 2: forested acreage statewide. Of that, six million is privately owned, 69 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 2: and more specifically, it's like five and a half is 70 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 2: what we call non industrial private forest owners. So these 71 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:20,600 Speaker 2: are guys or families that own a back forty that 72 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:24,840 Speaker 2: they go out and hunt. They might tap maple syrup, 73 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 2: they produce timber. That's our focus. Service. Forestry is entirely 74 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:35,159 Speaker 2: devoted forwards private land management assistance throughout the state of Ohio. 75 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:37,920 Speaker 2: So we offer a lot of different things, but really 76 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 2: what it boils down to is information education, technical services 77 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 2: for people that want to learn more about what they 78 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 2: own and how to sustainably and properly manage it. And 79 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 2: that's through several different kind of key programs. But that's 80 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:01,239 Speaker 2: the over Yeah, I mean we are We're a staff 81 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:05,040 Speaker 2: of twenty five people trying to influence over six million, 82 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 2: or just about six million acres of privately held ground 83 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 2: across the entire state. 84 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:13,279 Speaker 1: That's a lot to bite off, but you hold that thought. 85 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:16,720 Speaker 1: Aaron Cash with the Ohio Division of Forestry, we got 86 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 1: to hit a short break come back. We'll talk about 87 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 1: programs that those of you out there owning property can 88 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:26,479 Speaker 1: use with that hitting a brake chip Park The Big 89 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:30,360 Speaker 1: Outdoors News Radio seven hundred WLW, Cincinnati, one of the 90 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 1: best Bengals coverage. Back in a moment, Bloat, you're telling 91 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 1: me they don't you pay, We're back The Big Outdoors 92 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 1: News Radio, seven hundred WLW, Cincinnati, Chippark. My guess is 93 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:50,160 Speaker 1: Aaron Cash. He's a service forester with the Ohio Division 94 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 1: of Forestry. And what we're going to cover, I mean, essentially, 95 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:58,279 Speaker 1: what we're covering, even though he is in a certain district, 96 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:01,919 Speaker 1: really has application to all of Ohio. And and I 97 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 1: have a personal interest in this aeron because uh as 98 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 1: a as a landowner and uh having timbered property. Uh, 99 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 1: let's see three times in fifty years. You know there, 100 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 1: there's really a lot that goes into it. If that 101 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 1: happens to be your you know, your interests. But nonetheless, 102 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 1: are you know your forest private or public? Really it 103 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 1: really needs to be really it needs to be managed 104 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 1: with that, you know, without question. So what are the 105 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 1: you know, the kinds of programs that that would be 106 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:37,480 Speaker 1: available out there regardless of the property size. 107 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, state, statewide service Forestry. We there are several different 108 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 2: things we helped facilitate and and we wear a lot 109 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:48,479 Speaker 2: of different hasks, but the core, the core pieces and 110 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 2: what I feel is probably are our largest UH value 111 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:55,279 Speaker 2: to landowners in the States. What we call our call 112 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 2: before you Cut program, and this is a service that 113 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:02,600 Speaker 2: is free to to landowners if they are thinking about 114 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 2: conducting a timber sale, if they've been approached by a 115 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 2: logging entity and they want to just slow down a 116 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 2: little bit more. 117 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 3: This weekend daylight savings time ends. Why because that's what 118 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 3: Americans do. When we wanted to cook a frozen burrito 119 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 3: in a minute, we invented the microwave and cook that 120 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 3: burrito cost That's what Americans do. And when we want 121 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 3: the sun to rise earlier, we change time cause that's 122 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 3: what Americans do. So this weekend, set your clocks back 123 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 3: one hour. Couse, that's what Americans do. You're a reminder 124 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 3: from seven hundred WLW. 125 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 1: Hey, we're back the Big Outdoors News Radio, seven hundred WLW. 126 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 1: Since night Hippark. My guest is Aaron Cash. He's a 127 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 1: service forester with the Ohio Division of Forestry. And what 128 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 1: we're going to cover. I mean essentially, what we're covering, 129 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 1: even though he is in a certain day district, really 130 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 1: has applications to all of Ohio. And and I have 131 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 1: a personal interest in this eron because UH as a 132 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 1: as a landowner and uh having timbered property. Uh let's 133 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 1: see three times in fifty years. You know there there's 134 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 1: really a lot that goes into it. If that happens 135 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 1: to be your you know, your interests. But nonetheless, are 136 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 1: you know your forest private or public? Really it really 137 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 1: needs to be it really it needs to be managed 138 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 1: with it, you know, without question. So what are the 139 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:36,200 Speaker 1: you know, the kinds of programs that that would be 140 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 1: available out there regardless of the property size. 141 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, State state Wide Service Forestry. We there's several different 142 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:47,559 Speaker 2: things we helped facilitate and and we wear a lot 143 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 2: of different hasks. But the core, the core pieces, and 144 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 2: what I feel is probably are our largest uh value 145 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 2: to landowners in the state is what we call our 146 00:08:57,200 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 2: call before You Cut program. And this is a serve 147 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:04,320 Speaker 2: us that is free to landowners if they are thinking 148 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 2: about conducting a timber sale, if they've been approached by 149 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 2: a logging entity and they want to just slow down 150 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 2: a little bit before they agree to anything, or if 151 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 2: they're just in the initial stages and they're going to 152 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 2: go out and solicit interest. We love to be that 153 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:25,199 Speaker 2: first resource where we go out, we can walk the property, 154 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:28,959 Speaker 2: get eyes on the on the forest and the current condition, 155 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 2: resource concerns, and pair that with what the landowner objectives 156 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 2: are then determine does the timber harvesting really make sense? 157 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 2: And so we view harvesting as a management tool and 158 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 2: when used properly, it can have tremendous impact, positive impacts 159 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 2: on your forest habitat. But you got to do it 160 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 2: the right way. And I think oftentimes throughout the state, 161 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:57,439 Speaker 2: a lot of people undervalue what they own. They may 162 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 2: not understand what they're agreeing to when they engage in 163 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:03,439 Speaker 2: a timber sale. What a lot of people don't realize. 164 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 2: Ohio ranks number one in hardwood furniture production in the 165 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 2: entire country. We're all, it's a it's a it's a 166 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 2: big deal. And then also top in just in hardwood 167 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 2: number production. So if you look at the entire forest 168 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 2: products industry for Ohio, it has an annual economic impact 169 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 2: of over thirty eight billion dollars per year. So it's 170 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:31,680 Speaker 2: it's not an insignificant industry. This is a this is 171 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:36,199 Speaker 2: a It's a powerful piece of the economic pie of Ohio, 172 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 2: and most of it is held again with private landowners. 173 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:43,320 Speaker 2: So we we go out. There's no cost, it's it's 174 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 2: unbiased advice to try to educate on what you have 175 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 2: and depend on what you do what the outcomes of 176 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 2: those decisions would be. Beyond that, we also offer a 177 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 2: tax reduction property tax reduction program called Ohio Forest Tax 178 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:02,440 Speaker 2: Law Program that there are some parameters that if you're eligible, 179 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 2: that essentially incentivizes good sustainable management by reducing one's property 180 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 2: taxes applicable to their forest at acreage. There is a 181 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:17,439 Speaker 2: minimum of ten acres of woods to qualify, along some 182 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 2: other things that they're interested in that they could certainly 183 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:22,559 Speaker 2: learn more from their service force. Or then we move 184 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 2: into more just general guidance and assistance. So let's say 185 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 2: you inherited a property from your grandpa and you've never 186 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 2: been out there before and you don't know sugar maple 187 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:37,680 Speaker 2: from wide oak. You know, we could be that guidance 188 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:40,959 Speaker 2: to come out and teach about what you have things 189 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 2: to be aware of what your options might be moving forward. 190 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 2: And then the other piece that we spend a lot 191 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 2: of time on sort of seasonally is assisting with federal costs. 192 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 2: Are programs that are offered mostly through the USDA and 193 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 2: specifically the Natural Resource Conservation Service, and those programs potentially 194 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:10,559 Speaker 2: can provide financial assistance to landowners to implement forest re 195 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:15,679 Speaker 2: improvement practices on their property. They're not our's not our contract, 196 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 2: it's not our money, but we sort of serve as 197 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:21,960 Speaker 2: a subcontractor to implement and technical guidance for that. And 198 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 2: if you're interested in that, you really have to start 199 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:27,079 Speaker 2: with the n r CS as the beginning steps to 200 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 2: learn more. 201 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 1: Well, you might you might want to wait till the 202 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:34,839 Speaker 1: government reopen since it's probably yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay. 203 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 2: You're gonna be a lot of you know, you're got 204 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:42,199 Speaker 2: a lot of out of office messages right now. So 205 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:45,559 Speaker 2: so beyond that, we also do just technical implementation. So 206 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:49,440 Speaker 2: if you're interested in let's say you have a maturity 207 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 2: stand we could do things like crop to release or 208 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:56,200 Speaker 2: timber marketing. It's a wide variety of services, it. 209 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:59,360 Speaker 1: Is, and I mean there's a lot there that benefit 210 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 1: to you know, the landowners in Ohio, and you know 211 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 1: there's things similar to this in every other state, and 212 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 1: we're heard in thirty two states, so you know we're 213 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 1: not speaking out of turn here, but it's pretty much 214 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:13,840 Speaker 1: something every state probably does. Aaron Cash, Ohio Divisional Foresterry. 215 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 1: You sit tight. We got to hit a short break 216 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 1: and everybody stick around to Gary Jeff and has cast 217 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 1: the characters come after the news at the bottom of 218 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:25,840 Speaker 1: the hour. With that Chip Haart, the Big Outdoors News 219 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 1: Radio seven hundred WLW, Cincinnati, home of the best Bengals coverage. 220 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 1: You were tuned the Big Outdoors. There's radio seven hundred WLW, Cincinnati. 221 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 1: Chip Hart, my guess is Aaron Cash with the Ohio 222 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 1: Divisional Forestry. And quite frankly, I should have done this 223 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 1: a long time ago and not sat on my hands 224 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:47,680 Speaker 1: for thirty years, but it was always a you know, 225 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:50,000 Speaker 1: we probably touched on it here and there, but anyway, 226 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 1: we're here now we're gonna do something regular out there. 227 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 1: Just a case in point, Aaron. You know, when I 228 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 1: had timbered harvest done the second time I did it, 229 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:08,560 Speaker 1: I hired a timber manager, which actually was he was 230 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:13,320 Speaker 1: retired from the Ohio Divisional Forestry and he managed my 231 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 1: entire timber harvest. And what a god Send and you 232 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 1: know he crawled those hills and everything and did a 233 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 1: had did a fantastic job. And I got to throw 234 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 1: this out there too. You know, you don't just want 235 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 1: to hire a logger to come in, Okay, especially not, 236 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:36,960 Speaker 1: you know, not just don't do it. That's my suggestion. 237 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 1: You really got to do the things that that Aaron 238 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 1: is talking about if you want to speak to that point, 239 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 1: because you know that's I mean, that's a step you 240 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 1: can't turn back in. 241 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 2: Time, correct, I would that's a great point hip where 242 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 2: timber harvesting, while it can be very beneficial, it's also 243 00:14:57,200 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 2: a very easy way to uh you ruin your woods 244 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 2: for generations, and so you could have the best of 245 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:09,440 Speaker 2: intentions and without the right guidance and knowledge, be making 246 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 2: some really long lasting impacts that are going to adversely 247 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 2: affect your ability to properly manage going forward. So loggings 248 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 2: and loggers are important, and so we need, yeah, we 249 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 2: need laggers to to come in, sell the trees, extract 250 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 2: them using the best best management practices, haul those to 251 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 2: the mill, and produce products with it. But I view 252 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 2: foresters as a different skill set where it's almost like, uh, 253 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 2: the analogy of an architect and a builder. You need 254 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:46,760 Speaker 2: both of those pieces to have a successful project. In 255 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 2: my mind, you need both. You need both a forester 256 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 2: and a logger with a timber sale. So while we 257 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 2: the Service Forestry cannot appraise timber, we can't actively sell 258 00:15:57,600 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 2: timber for you, but we can't teach you and help 259 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 2: to seal, delitate and ultimately try to get you paired 260 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 2: with a private consulting forester that can come in and 261 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:09,560 Speaker 2: assess the value of the timber and select the trees 262 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 2: to come out and solicit bids and you want competition 263 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 2: from buyers. That helps the marketability of the timber and 264 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 2: hopefully you make more money that process. I used to 265 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 2: do that before my current role now in celpus to Ohio 266 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 2: and did a number of sales and what my experience was, 267 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 2: even with my cost involved, landowners would always make more 268 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 2: money through a lump sum bid process and then the 269 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 2: quality to cut is generally better than what they would 270 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 2: find otherwise with working with a logger directly, not to 271 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 2: say you can't do that successfully, you can, but but 272 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 2: you really have to know what you're doing and who 273 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 2: you're working with, and understand the parameters and really stress 274 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:54,360 Speaker 2: the importance of what's on that contract that you're signing, 275 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:58,560 Speaker 2: because you can't you can't assume anything. It's got to 276 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 2: be written down and agreed upon, and so details matter. 277 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:05,159 Speaker 2: If you get nothing else out of this, details matter. 278 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 2: And that's why with our Department of Service Forestry, we 279 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:13,520 Speaker 2: love being that first wave, the first boots on the ground, 280 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:17,199 Speaker 2: so to speak, because there's no cost. We have no 281 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:20,679 Speaker 2: incentive whether you decide to sell or not, because our 282 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 2: paycheck doesn't depend upon it. We just want to inform 283 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 2: and give good advice and then ultimately the landowner gets 284 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:30,160 Speaker 2: to decide what makes sense for them, and I'm completely 285 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:32,359 Speaker 2: fine with that. They own the property, that they have taxes, 286 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 2: they should have the final say. And so if we 287 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 2: can support that in a sustainable way and try to 288 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 2: steer the woods to becoming healthier, more productive, have good 289 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:47,440 Speaker 2: species composition, be conducive to goals, be wildlife, habitat aesthetics, 290 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 2: a place that you want to be and recreate in. 291 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:53,199 Speaker 2: All those things can be done as long as you 292 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:56,560 Speaker 2: take your time and get educated and try to utilize 293 00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:59,479 Speaker 2: the resources that are available to you through the Division 294 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 2: of Forestry. 295 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:02,679 Speaker 1: Well, I don't think you could have put it any better. 296 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:05,200 Speaker 1: You know, we had to get a lot into this 297 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 1: short half hour, which amounts to about twenty minutes the 298 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:11,440 Speaker 1: fastest half hour and radio here at the big one 299 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:16,159 Speaker 1: as I've been told. But how best for people to 300 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 1: make contact with the division? 301 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:24,560 Speaker 2: Great, that's very important. We are available. We are accessible 302 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:29,119 Speaker 2: to find your service forester hop online, google how a 303 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:32,119 Speaker 2: division of forestry service forester and you'll find a map 304 00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:34,720 Speaker 2: and that map will have a project assigned to it 305 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 2: and naming a phone number and call that individual and 306 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:38,119 Speaker 2: get on their calendar. 307 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:41,680 Speaker 1: Well, that's fantastic. Garon Cash. I know we're gonna circle 308 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:46,359 Speaker 1: back probably a few times between now and spring, and 309 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:47,720 Speaker 1: I know I want to get back with you in 310 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:49,440 Speaker 1: about a month. We're going to talk about the health 311 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:51,719 Speaker 1: of our forests and things like that, and it's all 312 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 1: great stuff for the outdoorsmen out there, you know, whether 313 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:56,919 Speaker 1: you hunt, fish or hike or whatever the case may be. 314 00:18:57,000 --> 00:19:01,360 Speaker 1: So Aaron, thank you very much, Thank you Chi all right, 315 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:04,680 Speaker 1: fantastic with that, got to hit another break and uh, 316 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:07,919 Speaker 1: some little tidbits for for you to think about in 317 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:11,480 Speaker 1: your in your tree stand this morning. Chip Harden seven 318 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:16,520 Speaker 1: hundred WLW through at w L w sin s Night 319 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 1: chip Art with you for the next two minutes until 320 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:24,359 Speaker 1: Gary Jeff drags his cast of characters in and and 321 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:27,639 Speaker 1: you know he is a legend, and so is Michael 322 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 1: k Allen with you know, he takes off his hat. 323 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:32,480 Speaker 1: He hain't got no hair. But that's that's okay. It's 324 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 1: a you know, just uh, just miserable when it rains. Okay, 325 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 1: that's all. Hey, interest big big news, Dan, he shut up. 326 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:46,200 Speaker 1: Big news. The reciprocal fishing agreements with Kentucky and its 327 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 1: neighboring states for fishing and waterfowl hunting are back in place. 328 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:57,359 Speaker 1: So those affect the Ohio River, Dale Hollow, the Big 329 00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:01,200 Speaker 1: South Fork of Cumberland, the Big Sandy tug Forth River, 330 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 1: tug tug Fork River, Kentucky Lake, the Mississippi River. And likewise, 331 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:09,440 Speaker 1: if you have an Ohio fishing license, you can fit 332 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:11,800 Speaker 1: you know, fish on the Kentucky border includes all the 333 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:14,719 Speaker 1: dams and everything. So it's all back in place, people, 334 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:18,640 Speaker 1: So just uh. And likewise, for those of Kentucky to fish, 335 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 1: you up, you know, the neighboring states you know that 336 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 1: were there previously. So that's the big news on that 337 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 1: on that front. Otherwise, Uh, the three counties and Athens 338 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:37,680 Speaker 1: Meagues of Washington. Here in Ohio, I've reduced their harvest 339 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 1: of from three deer to two deer effective December one, 340 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:47,679 Speaker 1: twenty twenty five. Because of the just humongous EHD outbreak, 341 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:51,120 Speaker 1: A lot of people wanted to just close the season, 342 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:55,440 Speaker 1: but uh, there was I guess uh DNR didn't want 343 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:59,200 Speaker 1: to do that. But anyway, the responses there were over 344 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:03,239 Speaker 1: thirteen hundred responses on that, which is the biggest that 345 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:07,959 Speaker 1: the Wildlife Counsel's ever had. So that's your news this morning. 346 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 1: Gary Jeff will have everything else that you need to know. 347 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:14,120 Speaker 1: I think with that, I'm out of here. Chip Hart, 348 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:17,680 Speaker 1: the Big Outdoors News Radio seven hundred WLW, Cincinnati'd be 349 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 1: safe in the woods, safe in the water, and safe 350 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:20,879 Speaker 1: in that tree stand. 351 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 2: It's CyberSecure.