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Speaker 2: This is your sweetheart.

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Speaker 3: Get me rewrite.

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Speaker 2: Leader fan Fan Radio Network, see you later and k

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Speaker 2: Three minutes and five seconds past the hour three o'clock

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Speaker 2: Central Standard time, welcome back, Bump it a bumper show.

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Speaker 2: I'm out of rev. Can you play the Halvey sound

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Speaker 2: for me to bail me out?

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Speaker 3: Sure?

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Speaker 2: Let me find it here Hermantown, damn man, oh.

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Speaker 3: Man for an area.

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Speaker 2: Did you sprint across the al shave or press box? Well,

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Speaker 2: you know what I close. I forgot.

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Speaker 3: We got these.

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Speaker 2: Detours now you can't get here from our desks the

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Speaker 2: way we could Hermantown.

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Speaker 3: That's it.

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Speaker 2: I feel very Hermantown like right now, bumping a bumper

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Speaker 2: program on a beautiful almost call me Friday afternoon here

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Speaker 2: in the Twin Cities of Minneapolis and Saint Paul Heck

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Speaker 2: of a hockey game, the second of two great games

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Speaker 2: here at the x leus far that's about me right now.

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Speaker 2: My name is Dan Barrero, the occasional host guards he's

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Speaker 2: the occasional producer Hermingtown, and we are going I think

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Speaker 2: the distance today six thirty. Yeah, if you can handle it,

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Speaker 2: I'm out of it. I mean, I'm running on empty,

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Speaker 2: but I'm going to get through it. I'm gonna get

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Speaker 2: wind going as well. So we can't go down this

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Speaker 2: hallway at all, Well I was told we can't. Maybe

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Speaker 2: some people do. Anyway, there's a big plastic thing that

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Speaker 2: indicates this is a construction site, yeah.

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Speaker 3: Which is why I haven't been going.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but it did look like there was some tape

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Speaker 2: kind of around it, like there was almost a door.

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Speaker 2: Maybe maybe he can't radically go through. But I don't

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Speaker 2: want to be that guy, believe it or not on

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Speaker 2: those kinds of things. I'm a rules follower, me too,

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Speaker 2: not someone that's that's I'm just going so me too.

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Speaker 3: Maybe maybe we're the idiots.

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Speaker 2: Maybe is continuing to go getting all the extra steps

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Speaker 2: and well, that is and that's part of why I'm

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Speaker 2: out of breath Hermingtown. There is an old saying in

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Speaker 2: in the world of well old old fashioned journalism.

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Speaker 3: Sweetheart, get me rewrite. And the deal was sort.

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Speaker 2: Of back in the day, you're covering a story and

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Speaker 2: you've already written it, and it's already in type. This

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Speaker 2: is back in the day when there was no internet,

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Speaker 2: where breaking news got broken whenever the next edition of

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Speaker 2: don't know if it started on a in a movie

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Speaker 2: TV show. Whatever it was, the crust you know, the

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Speaker 2: very curmudgeonly, crusty reporter, the beat guy out on the

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Speaker 2: there's a new twist, there's there's something new, and so

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Speaker 2: whatever's in print, it's got to be rewritten. So it

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Speaker 2: would be, of course, sweetheart, because back in the day,

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Speaker 2: there were a lot of politically incorrect things said man,

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Speaker 2: So the assumption was a woman would be answering the phone,

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Speaker 2: and then she would have to then transfer that call

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Speaker 2: the krusty reporter who's got the fedora hat, the tie

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Speaker 2: dictation on the base of dictation from said reporter. This

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Speaker 2: whole show feels like it's sweetheart, get me rewrite. That's

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Speaker 2: how it feels, because, as most of you know by now,

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Speaker 2: whatever we'd had planned at the start of the day

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Speaker 2: is now irrelevant.

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Speaker 3: We have a never ending series of.

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Speaker 2: Toy department stories that have gotten the attention of folks

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Speaker 2: all over town. We've got at least one dismissal unless

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Speaker 2: something's changed, and one mutual parting of the ways, at

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Speaker 2: least that's the way it's being presented, a mutual uncoupling

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Speaker 2: that is one hundred percent correct. And then no one

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Speaker 2: else has been fired that we know of, right, don't

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Speaker 3: Correct? Don't think so? Put it this way.

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Speaker 2: I don't think Tim Conley is any in any trouble,

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Speaker 2: Who's the new Twins co manager Derek Shelton. I think

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Speaker 2: he's safe. Well, he might not think of right now

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Speaker 2: him is now gone. I think realistically speaking, Fincy is

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Speaker 2: be the end of it. But it is pretty cataclysmic

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Speaker 2: and tumultuous when your local pro football team and your

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Speaker 2: What two hours apart or was it even that it

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Two hours?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, before noon on the same day. Essentially, I could

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Speaker 2: look at the timestamps of the different news releases, Yes,

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Speaker 2: because every single time I got an email today it

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Speaker 2: release on the night, and seven. So yeah, well you're right,

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Speaker 2: that's about two hours would change and change, and I

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Speaker 3: I don't think one had anything.

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Speaker 2: To do with the other, but I believe they're both

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Speaker 2: quite shocking, not necessarily because any no one thought Quasi

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Speaker 2: you probably all would already would have done it. You

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Speaker 2: wouldn't have dispatched him to Mobile, Alabama for Senior Bowl festivities,

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Speaker 2: and most assuredly, there were people who thought that Derek Falley,

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Speaker 2: other problems. But if you did felt he was vulnerable,

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Speaker 2: you probably didn't think, well, they're going to make a

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Speaker 2: move two weeks before they hit spring training, right, That's

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Speaker 2: that if you make this kind of move right now,

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Speaker 2: there was a schism, And maybe there was a schism

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Speaker 3: That indicates a very.

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Speaker 2: Direct and dramatic difference of opinion on something between the

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Speaker 2: Falvey right, because you don't. There's nobody in their right

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Speaker 3: In the case of Quasy. It does feel a little

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Speaker 2: I could it be similarly a schism, something boiled up

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Speaker 3: They're saying, this is us, we did this. I guess

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Speaker 2: Could there have been I mean, is it possible that

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Speaker 2: Ziggy sat down in Quayzy's office at some point in

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Speaker 2: the last weeks and said, man, you know, did we

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Speaker 2: I guess that's possible. So, but I don't think that

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Speaker 2: sounds logical either on these In the case of the Vikings,

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Speaker 2: this is part of what we're going to talk about.

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Speaker 2: Ben Gesling is coming into studio at three thirty is

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Speaker 2: And I don't want to get too conspiratorial, because I

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Speaker 2: try to resist that certainly more than most people, than

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Speaker 2: many people in our audience. But is this the classic

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Speaker 2: case of the other guy in the power structure? Because

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Speaker 2: there is only one other guy in the power structure,

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Speaker 2: and that's Kevin O'Connell coalescing his power, gaining a little

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Speaker 2: bit more power, and now even without a title, fancy title,

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Speaker 2: becoming a de facto, if not general manager, more than

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Speaker 2: just a head football coach, because there were people who

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Speaker 2: thought that's the way it was headed any way, and

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Speaker 2: that when it comes to drafts. The longer he was here,

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Speaker 2: that KOC was more and more had injected more and

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Speaker 2: more of himself into that.

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Speaker 3: And is this just the next step.

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Speaker 2: I will be shocked if the announcement is we are

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Speaker 2: broadening Kevin O'Connell's responsibilities.

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Speaker 3: He will now be the coach and the general manager.

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Speaker 3: I will be gobsmacking if they go that far.

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Speaker 2: But if they don't replace him, replace Quazy, because right

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Speaker 2: now the plan for the draft this year is Brazinski's

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Speaker 3: He's in charge.

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Speaker 2: Rob Brazinsky historically has been what he has been, theologist

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Speaker 2: that numbers genius. That's exactly it. The longer you stay

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Speaker 2: the case may be. Because that's what it smells like

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Speaker 2: a little bit. I'm not suggesting it's a palace coup

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Speaker 2: on the part of KOC. I'm not saying he stabbed

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Speaker 2: anybody in the back. I have no knowledge of that.

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Speaker 2: I have no reason to suggest that. But I think

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Speaker 2: long before this, there was more and more of a

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Speaker 2: feeling from people who've covered this team that KFC's rising.

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Speaker 2: He's more than a coach at this point. He's got

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Speaker 2: more in what he is doing and what he is

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Speaker 2: And quite frankly, the whole quarterback saga, to me is

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Speaker 2: proof of that. And that's why even I think it

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Speaker 2: was just yesterday or the day before I mentioned that

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Speaker 2: if you want to blame, if you're blaming Quazy for

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Speaker 2: the quarterback mess, you're leaving out a very important figure,

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Speaker 2: and that would be Koc because his fingerprints are all

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Speaker 3: Other stuff maybe not so much. So there we have it.

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Speaker 2: I mean, how many is this unprecedented in this market?

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Speaker 2: Have we ever had big time executives from two different

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Speaker 2: professional franchises either get fired or walk away in mutual

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Speaker 2: agreement on the same day. That would be a Dan

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Speaker 2: Minnesota question. He would have access to it and probably

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Speaker 2: memory of it, Yes, but this does seem well. That

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Speaker 2: was the funniest part is when we both pulled up

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Speaker 2: to Fox nine, enough said, and I turned to you

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Speaker 2: and go, it's not even noon, Like, what's the problem.

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Speaker 3: I go crazy? And I didn't even know about Falby.

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Speaker 3: You're the one that told me about Fauby too. I

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Speaker 3: didn't know about Falca, did not know about Fabo. Oh

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Speaker 3: it was a busy morning. Yeah, it was a busy morning.

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Speaker 3: So you mentioned it. Oh, yeah, that was earlier in

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Speaker 3: the morning when I told you that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but both of those were pretty instantaneous, but it was.

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Speaker 2: It was wild. It was a crazy morning, extremely crazy

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Speaker 2: and get ready for mister Gessling. Get his reaction to

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Speaker 2: the a football topic in the toy department today the

438
00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:02,720
Speaker 2: news at Quasi Adopa Mensa is out as a general

439
00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:30,480
Speaker 2: manager of your Minnesota vik it. I got to give

440
00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:34,879
Speaker 2: the b Flow fans credit for tenacity. Man, They never

441
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:39,359
Speaker 2: let a fire and go to waste.

442
00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:44,440
Speaker 3: Start to be an ex printer guy writes, how about.

443
00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:50,159
Speaker 2: Kaoc to general manager and b Flow to head coach.

444
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:55,399
Speaker 2: I wouldn't mind it, but I don't think Kaoc would

445
00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:57,560
Speaker 2: like it. I got a text during the break that

446
00:23:57,640 --> 00:23:59,639
Speaker 2: said the same thing. In my response, I think is

447
00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:02,440
Speaker 2: like your was, Koc likes calling plays too much.

448
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:03,680
Speaker 3: He enjoys it.

449
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:07,359
Speaker 2: Way too much to be up with the suits slinging

450
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:10,960
Speaker 2: around the yard and get every blade of grass going. Yeah,

451
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:15,639
Speaker 2: that's one hundred percent true. It is interesting, how you know,

452
00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:18,240
Speaker 2: We've talked about this for years when it comes to

453
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:22,439
Speaker 2: Vikings head coaching changes. And I don't think this just

454
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:27,080
Speaker 2: happens here, but the tendency is you bounce back and

455
00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:32,399
Speaker 2: forth from one statement to the other. Right, if you

456
00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:37,480
Speaker 2: start with a coach who is viewed as an unapproachable

457
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:41,920
Speaker 2: task master, and it doesn't go well after at first

458
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:42,760
Speaker 2: it does.

459
00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,240
Speaker 3: Mike Simmer, did you see the game?

460
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:50,000
Speaker 2: Then when it goes bad, you say, what need a

461
00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 2: collaborators players coach. We need somebody who will allow the

462
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:59,840
Speaker 2: players to relax a little bit exactly. Then we get

463
00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:03,240
Speaker 2: that for a while and it starts promisingly, and then

464
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:06,240
Speaker 2: that goes off the rails and we say, the players

465
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 2: are running the whole asylum.

466
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,320
Speaker 3: You can't do that. We got to have it. Get

467
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:13,960
Speaker 3: a task master in here, get a throwback in here.

468
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:18,000
Speaker 2: Can you make the same argument regarding the GM position,

469
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:21,480
Speaker 2: because who is the last guy who is our GM?

470
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:28,040
Speaker 2: Rick Spielman, old school football guy, football guy in the office, late,

471
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 2: researching everything, talking to scouts, endlessly, showing up at every game,

472
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:37,879
Speaker 2: all that stuff. And then we finally said, well, that's great,

473
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:41,160
Speaker 2: that sounds good that you're mister football. But we're kind

474
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:43,040
Speaker 2: of we've kind of leveled off here, and where are

475
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:45,720
Speaker 2: we going with this thing? We're tired of that kind

476
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:47,600
Speaker 2: of guy. You know what we want? We want a

477
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:50,359
Speaker 2: quirky guy. We want a guy who came from some

478
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:54,800
Speaker 2: other industry entirely right, and we're not going to question

479
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 2: him about it. We're gonna say, well, that's to your advantage.

480
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 2: He'll be able to see what the forest for the trees?

481
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:01,400
Speaker 3: Right.

482
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 2: Well, but then guess what draft after draft happens and

483
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 2: it doesn't go very well, and you go, whatever happened

484
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:11,480
Speaker 2: to have a to having a good old fashioned football

485
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,720
Speaker 2: guy in charge of football operation. Now, I don't know

486
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 2: if that's where we're headed, but that's what we eat

487
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 2: kareem here, back and forth between the extreme. So that

488
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:20,879
Speaker 2: is that the mid.

489
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 3: Course correction this time where the next guy, I bet

490
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:24,959
Speaker 3: it's a football guy. It's gonna become like maybe from

491
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 3: one of the football names. Yeah, I bet it's a

492
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:27,400
Speaker 3: football guy.

493
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 2: Now, all the guys who have there's like, how many

494
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:36,640
Speaker 2: what are the best family trees in football? I'm talking

495
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 2: about who have the same name, you mean, like the

496
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 2: same last nights? Yes, exactly, exactly are any of the

497
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:47,440
Speaker 2: Shanahans and the Kubiaks in the front office? Are they

498
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:48,639
Speaker 2: all headaches?

499
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:50,200
Speaker 3: They were coach? They all coaches.

500
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 2: Wasn't weren't that Barolo is a good name? Or the

501
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,800
Speaker 2: policies wasn't well policy? Yeah, the Bartolo I think was

502
00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 2: more above I don't think he was ever GM guy.

503
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:00,280
Speaker 1: Yeah.

504
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 2: I think he was one of those. Yeah, yeah, I'm

505
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,640
Speaker 2: not sure. But that's that's what we tend to do,

506
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:09,440
Speaker 2: is we we we tend to overreact. Because I said

507
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:11,960
Speaker 2: this on the on the TV taping on enough said

508
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:17,200
Speaker 2: at the start, Quirky sounds cool. I kind of like

509
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 2: the way he talks is different, not the same old nonsense,

510
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 2: even though there was a lot of words sound with

511
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 2: him too. But then if you don't get the football results,

512
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 2: then you go, what's with this gun? Really matters with Quirky?

513
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 2: I'm bored with Quirky and I don't care how Quirky

514
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 2: now seems like he's really not engaged in it, or

515
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 2: he doesn't really know who to pay attention to and

516
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:38,639
Speaker 2: what to pay attention to. I'll tell you, I think

517
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 2: that's hurt him. I think, at least from a public standpoint,

518
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:42,919
Speaker 2: is this feeling that over the years, what have they

519
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 2: been together four years? That yeah, Kse was you know,

520
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,440
Speaker 2: was insinuating himself in a more more stuff and in fact,

521
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 2: and you know, who knows if the stories are true.

522
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 2: The stories were a couple of times when when Quazy's

523
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 2: ready to move down again in the draft, Quazy knocks

524
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 2: in the door said we can't do that again. I

525
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,120
Speaker 2: don't even know how accurate that is, but that's been

526
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 2: what's been presented outside looking in. The perception is he's

527
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 2: had to be the guy to kind of put the

528
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 2: brakes on some of that quirkiness of Quazy. Now, maybe

529
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 2: Quazy will come forward at some point. I don't know,

530
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,120
Speaker 2: we'll see. I think Guesstling's here. I'm gonna go try

531
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 2: to find him, all right, you want to go get

532
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:22,120
Speaker 2: him and I'll just tap to yeah, we'll do that.

533
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 2: That's fine, And I can take a look at some

534
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,399
Speaker 2: texts as well. The branch on Brian Kafan text line

535
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 2: is six four six eight six, and one of the questions,

536
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 2: as several people have offered up for guestling, we'll ask

537
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 2: him that Quasy wanted McCarthy to play and koc did not.

538
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 2: I will be stunned, stunned if that's what we find out,

539
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 2: because I've always felt that that there's not any way

540
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 2: that Quasy was going to overrule or even be allowed

541
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 2: to overrule the head coach when it comes to whatever

542
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 2: decision was made at the quarterback position. In fact, we

543
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 2: got ben, how do you get up here? Security breach?

544
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 2: How did you get up here? I got a key card?

545
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 3: Now? Oh? Do you really all? Good for you in

546
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 3: the world? Outstanding? The trick was finding my way through

547
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 3: the construction.

548
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is a little bit murky right now and

549
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 2: a little dangerous, so be careful to watch your head

550
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 2: because there's stuff falling on people.

551
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 3: And yeah, I can see where that might be. We

552
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 3: made it through that.

553
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 2: We walked in on the question I've gotten the most already,

554
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 2: and that is he and I don't know where.

555
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 3: I don't know what reports this.

556
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 2: These textures are referring to the notion what's being suggested

557
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 2: is that Quasy wanted McCarthy to play and that Koc

558
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 2: did not, which again would stun me because.

559
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 3: I always felt Koc was a guy running the show

560
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 3: of the quarterback. But can you address that or have

561
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 3: you've heard anything similar to that?

562
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 4: I don't know that I've heard anything that would corroborate

563
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 4: that entirely. I mean, I know there were people in

564
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 4: the building that had interest in a number of the

565
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 4: different options they explored, but ultimately, you know, they made

566
00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:00,160
Speaker 4: the decision to go along with JJ McCarthy as or.

567
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 4: I don't think they would have I agree with you,

568
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 4: I don't think they would have done that if Kevin

569
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 4: O'Connell wasn't on board with it. I think, you know,

570
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 4: Kevin O'Connell was the voice on the quarterbacks that they

571
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 4: was going to have the most weight, and I think

572
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 4: it was the voice that was gonna have the most

573
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 4: weight for Kuisio Flamensa. So no, I don't I don't

574
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 4: have I'm not in a position to say one hundred

575
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 4: percent that that happened. I don't think it did. So, uh,

576
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 4: it is one of those decisions that as you look

577
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 4: back on it, somebody is going to have to answer

578
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 4: for it. Kevin O'Connell is going to have to figure

579
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 4: these things out too. But yeah, that well, that particular process,

580
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 4: I don't think it went exactly that way.

581
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 2: I assume you're early in your reporting on this too,

582
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 2: and there's there's a lot more that you're going to

583
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 2: try to figure out. Yeah, but on the basis of

584
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 2: what you know, have gleaned and maybe what your gut

585
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 2: tells you.

586
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 3: What do you think happened here?

587
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 4: What?

588
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 2: Why do you think this was the moment that the

589
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 2: decision was announced or made?

590
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 1: Well?

591
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean so there their process after the season,

592
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 4: Tipley is they'll you know, Mark wellf alluded to this

593
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 4: a little bit. They'll do these leadership meetings with it's

594
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 4: with Kevin O'Connell, it's with Quaysy, Adolfomensa, it's with Rob Erzinski.

595
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,479
Speaker 4: They will kind of meet and review the season with

596
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 4: all of those people, and then they will meet as

597
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,239
Speaker 4: owners to kind of synthesize all these things and say, oh,

598
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 4: what do we want to do. And I think there

599
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 4: was a lot of discussion over the last few days

600
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 4: after kind of gleaning things from these meetings that they said, Okay,

601
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:30,479
Speaker 4: we've probably heard enough things that we needed to address

602
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 4: that concerned us that we needed to make a decision

603
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 4: and decide to move on from Quaysy a o Flamensa

604
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 4: in the spot. So, I mean, I think a lot

605
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 4: of the tensions that had been there, and you know,

606
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 4: people are talking about.

607
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 3: Throwing out the tea or tensions.

608
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's these things have been I mean I've

609
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 4: heard people talk about them, and you've certainly had conversations

610
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 4: with people around the league that said, yeah, there's a

611
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 4: lot of these things here. It's the question of always.

612
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 4: I mean every NFL building there are people that don't

613
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 4: see eye to eye on things. And yeah, that's a

614
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 4: great point. It's not all of it is actionable. And

615
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 4: when they were winning as much as they were, the

616
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 4: fact that they made this decision even after a bad season,

617
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 4: you know, I think they won forty three games in

618
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 4: four years or something like that. Right, the fact that

619
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 4: they decided this was the time to do it tells

620
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 4: you that a lot of those things were there. And

621
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 4: I think that the ultimate thing is the drafts were

622
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:23,479
Speaker 4: not good. I mean, you needed more production from those

623
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 4: drafts and that draft successful lack thereof I think was

624
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 4: a lot of the tension where it makes it harder

625
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 4: to fill out a roster, it makes it harder to

626
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 4: manage cap stuff. It just you have players that get

627
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 4: injured more, probably if they're older. So I think a

628
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 4: lot of that was rooted in that, and there was

629
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 4: just you know, it was always a bit of a

630
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 4: gamble to have somebody that didn't come from a more

631
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 4: professional back talk about that earlier, and I think a

632
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 4: lot of that played into this as well.

633
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 3: So I think.

634
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 2: One of the logical follow ups then, is they just

635
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 2: extended Quazy after last season too, right, and you could

636
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 2: say the draft record was already or on show? Is

637
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 2: that the old uh, look, we're he's actually on double

638
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 2: secret probation, but we're gonna go ahead for now to show,

639
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 2: you know, to keep things uniform and consistent and stable,

640
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 2: We're gonna go ahead and give another contract extension.

641
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 3: Is that does that see?

642
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 2: Or does that otherwise seem weird that you would a

643
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 2: year later say we're done?

644
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 1: Well?

645
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, and I asked that question today if

646
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 4: it's you know, nine months or eight months lessening year,

647
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 4: eight months in change? I think since they did the extensions, so,

648
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 4: I mean, there was always the question at the time

649
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 4: of is he going to get the same length of

650
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 4: deal as Kevin O'Connell, And they did not announce the

651
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 4: terms of either one of those. I have found out

652
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 4: since then that Kevin O'Connell's runs through twenty nine. I

653
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 4: never really found out on Quacolfo Mensas, but I don't

654
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 4: think he was playing with the same leverage that Kevin

655
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 4: O'Connell had. So there was this question of are you

656
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 4: going to move forward with him as the guy because

657
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 4: there had already been.

658
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 3: People that said, yeah, this draft results need to get

659
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 3: a lot better.

660
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 4: I mean that was already a topic going in the

661
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 4: last year because they had had a lot of drafts

662
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 4: that hadn't hit, including that, probably that first one more

663
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 4: so than any other. So I think at the time

664
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 4: it was we just won fourteen games. A lot of

665
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 4: this has worked. Free agency was successful in twenty four,

666
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 4: so you move forward with it and say he's the guy.

667
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:23,279
Speaker 4: But I think there was always a little bit of

668
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:27,839
Speaker 4: a thinner ledge to stand on, probably than Kevin O'Connell had.

669
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 4: Part of that was the market. I mean, part of

670
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:33,879
Speaker 4: that was if Kevin O'Connell would have left in you say,

671
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:36,359
Speaker 4: his contract the had expired, he absolutely would have had

672
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:39,399
Speaker 4: a lot of teams calling him to be their coach.

673
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 4: I mean that would came out. Before that finale against

674
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:44,319
Speaker 4: the Lions of twenty four, I had heard a lot

675
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:46,840
Speaker 4: of that. I mean that was very much the case

676
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 4: that there would have been a lot of interest in

677
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 4: him being the guy. I don't know that Kasiotol Flamensa

678
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 4: was playing a position leverage, so that plays into it.

679
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:55,400
Speaker 4: And Mark Wilf alluded to some of those things. He

680
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 4: talked about market realities at the owners meetings last year

681
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 4: and he alluded, so that's what he means by that.

682
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 4: But yes, I think it was always a little bit

683
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,799
Speaker 4: of Okay, there's there's not anything actionable here yet, but

684
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 4: if we get to that point, then you make the move.

685
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 2: Is Koc going Alexander Haig on the bit? Now that

686
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 2: Quasi has gone and Koc's power within the organization is

687
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 2: significantly going up, now that would almost suggest a palace coup.

688
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,840
Speaker 2: I'm not here to accuse Koc of stabbing anybody in

689
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:28,879
Speaker 2: the back. I don't have that kind of information. Maybe

690
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 2: eventually you guys will. However, I do think you guys

691
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 2: have all told me that the signals going forward even

692
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 2: before this, was that Koc was becoming more than a coach,

693
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 2: little by little. And I don't care what anybody says

694
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:47,400
Speaker 2: if they're not gonna if they're going to go with

695
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:49,840
Speaker 2: Brazenski in the draft. As far as I'm concerned. The

696
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 2: way I'm interpreting that is a KOC is running the draft. Well,

697
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 2: they're not going to do things that KOC doesn't want

698
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 2: to do.

699
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:56,319
Speaker 1: I don't.

700
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 4: I don't think you're going to have Rob er Zensky

701
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 4: saying I know that you prefer to go a different

702
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:04,799
Speaker 4: direction here, but I'm running this draft, so that's what

703
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 4: we're going to do. I don't think it's going to

704
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 4: go that way. I think Kevin O'Connell's progression as the

705
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:16,320
Speaker 4: coach certainly has involved being more in touch with free agents.

706
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 4: It's been being more in touch with players that are

707
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,759
Speaker 4: having contract issues. I think when Daniel Hunter was going

708
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:26,240
Speaker 4: through his things, Kevin O'Connell was very involved in that process.

709
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 4: So what that means is you start to wear more hats,

710
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:32,760
Speaker 4: even if you're not wearing them officially, you are trying

711
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,760
Speaker 4: them on, so to speak, where you have a few

712
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 4: more moments where, even if it's not your explicit job,

713
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 4: you get involved in these things because you are the

714
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:44,320
Speaker 4: head coach. I don't think he's ever going to be

715
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 4: the type of head coach that just says, not my problem,

716
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 4: not my department. I just run the football team, and

717
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 4: my job is figuring out the third down game plans

718
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 4: of the game on Sunday. I don't think he goes

719
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 4: about it that way because I don't think he believes

720
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 4: that's the right way to do the job. It does

721
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 4: mean that when you are in more of those meetings

722
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 4: and you have a direct line of communication to the owners.

723
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 4: He talks with the owners after every game, So there

724
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 4: is going to be I think, more opportunities where your

725
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:14,439
Speaker 4: voice is going to be heard. And I think that's

726
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:16,800
Speaker 4: probably what they want. I mean, I think they want

727
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 4: even if it's a general manager that's in a traditional role.

728
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 3: What is it talk about? The draft is April twenty third, Okay?

729
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 2: Can you make the argument that that it's January thirtieth?

730
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 3: Yeah?

731
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 2: Is there any rational reason why you cannot try to

732
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:31,240
Speaker 2: get somebody in place before the draft?

733
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 3: It's not like it's in two weeks. Yeah, you could.

734
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 4: The catches to that are you have a lot of

735
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:40,839
Speaker 4: candidates that are probably working for other teams now. And

736
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 4: I also think that whoever you get to do this

737
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 4: job is somebody you have to be fairly confident is

738
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 4: going to work well with Kevin O'Connell, Right, It's going

739
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 4: to be somebody who's vision of things is fairly almost

740
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:56,320
Speaker 4: hard to work with. No, I think the uh asking,

741
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:58,839
Speaker 4: the way he comes about it. I think there were

742
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 4: differences of how you go about things with Quasia Doo Famensa.

743
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 4: So I think having somebody that's probably a little more

744
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:08,840
Speaker 4: of that traditional football background that comes from this scouting world,

745
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 4: speaks the language a little bit more probably is going

746
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 4: to be where this goes, and you need to make

747
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:19,240
Speaker 4: sure that you have that person that clicks well with Kevin.

748
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 2: O'Connell and probably with Brian Flores too. They're telling me

749
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 2: of this, I would say, you're telling me this is

750
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:25,319
Speaker 2: what we talked about earlier, the way we bounce back

751
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:31,760
Speaker 2: and forth between on coaches, hard ass players, coach, general manager,

752
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 2: football guy and somebody who thinks out of the box.

753
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 2: So this sounds like what you're saying is we should

754
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 2: bring back Rick Spielman. Then maybe he would get along

755
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 2: better with the KOC football pro.

756
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 4: Well if if I mean he's been doing all sorts

757
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:46,319
Speaker 4: of consulting from front officer, I don't think that's going

758
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:46,919
Speaker 4: to be the move.

759
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 3: No, probably not.

760
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 4: I think it will probably not be the analytics, quantitative

761
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:57,359
Speaker 4: type guy in the job. The next time around. I

762
00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 4: think you'll they're going to have that department, certainly, but

763
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 4: I don't think that person is going to be calling

764
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:01,319
Speaker 4: the shot.

765
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 2: Chris writes, Donald in the Super Bowl is embarrassing the franchise.

766
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 2: That is the bloody knife in Quasy's back. If Donald flopped,

767
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:13,840
Speaker 2: Quasey still has a job. Now, that's quite an explosive allegation.

768
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 2: Do you think he has any kernel of truth to it?

769
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 4: I mean, it's not a good look for the Vikings

770
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 4: at the moment, but right, no, it's not. And I

771
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 4: don't think that's how the Wolves operate, right. I don't

772
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 4: think they would have said, well, if the Rams won

773
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:28,400
Speaker 4: the game, Okay, we're good, We're keeping Quacy. Yet I

774
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:29,920
Speaker 4: don't think that was going to be the case. It

775
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 4: certainly brings that whole decision back into the limelight, but no,

776
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 4: I don't think that was I don't think that had

777
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 4: a lot to do with why they made this move.

778
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 3: This one.

779
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 2: I didn't see this one coming. With the GM position

780
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 2: open now, and given the success from Indiana and that

781
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 2: there's his skill set, I assume he must be talking

782
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:52,280
Speaker 2: about Signetti Netti being in personnel and finding great players.

783
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 2: I think we definitely need some of that. Indiana in

784
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:57,919
Speaker 2: that position moving forward here, it is that's the first

785
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 2: call for Signetti to be I guess you'd say president

786
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 2: of Football Operation, just doing that because.

787
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 4: He knows that you have the mic as a Hoosier

788
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:07,840
Speaker 4: and you're going to get him on the air because

789
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,240
Speaker 4: he's sucking sucking up to Indiana.

790
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:11,759
Speaker 3: You never do anything like that.

791
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 2: How about this idea, is it time for the return

792
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 2: of the triangle of authority?

793
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:23,879
Speaker 4: Well, it's funny because the guy that kind of ended

794
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 4: up in the most different role as a result of

795
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 4: that was Roberzinski. Robertsenski was the third leg of the

796
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:34,360
Speaker 4: famous triangle of authority, as I think the term coined

797
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 4: by Kevin Seaffert. If I'm not mistaken, it was Rick

798
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 4: Spielman as the football guy. Robertszinski is a cap guy.

799
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:45,840
Speaker 4: Coach Childress and Leslie Fraser. So you've got two thirds

800
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:48,719
Speaker 4: of it back together. You need a general manager. I

801
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 4: don't think they'll go that way, but you know, I

802
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 4: think informally there's going to be some of those things

803
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 4: where even if robertsentsk he goes back to his old job,

804
00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:00,120
Speaker 4: he will have worn this hat for a few months. Yes,

805
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:04,240
Speaker 4: I think just naturally, you're going to have a bigger

806
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:06,839
Speaker 4: voice in these things probably, and he's got a big

807
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 4: voice already, but I think that will only increase as

808
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 4: he's going through this draft.

809
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 2: Well, guards he asked that question, So how do we

810
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 2: view because I think Brazinski has sort of been pigeonholed

811
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 2: as he is the capilegist guy.

812
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:18,959
Speaker 3: Yep.

813
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 2: So how much background has he developed over the years

814
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 2: in running a draft or evaluating players in the sense

815
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 2: of what we expect from somebody in that position.

816
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, he's not coming at it from a

817
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 4: traditional scouting perspective, but he certainly knows his way around

818
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 4: a talent evaluation. I think just over the number of

819
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:40,880
Speaker 4: years he's been here since nineteen ninety nine, I was

820
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 4: trying to think of the number of people in that

821
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:45,799
Speaker 4: organization who have been there longer than him, and I

822
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 4: can't imagine it's more than a few. So, whether it's

823
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 4: working for different general managers, different coaches, different ownership groups,

824
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 4: even he's been exposed to a lot of on the

825
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:57,880
Speaker 4: job training, and you know, I think just talking with

826
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 4: him over the years, he certainly knows what he's looking

827
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 4: for in a football player, and it's been involved in

828
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 4: enough of those meetings. That's not necessarily his primary function,

829
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 4: but I think he has developed a lot of ability

830
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:12,879
Speaker 4: to handle those things as you go. And a lot

831
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 4: of the job that he does is talking with agents.

832
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 4: I mean a lot of the negotiations that happen on contracts.

833
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:21,880
Speaker 4: Rob Zinsky is doing a lot of that work. So

834
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 4: the discussion of how agents view things, how depth charts,

835
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:31,759
Speaker 4: playing time, all of the football and financial interactions that

836
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 4: go on. He's involved in all of those things. So yeah,

837
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:37,720
Speaker 4: I think over the course of time you do develop

838
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:39,839
Speaker 4: a better handle of how to do it. I don't

839
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:42,720
Speaker 4: know that they're going to make that the deciding factor,

840
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 4: but if he is a candidate and he decides he

841
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:48,399
Speaker 4: wants it, I think he can point to the number

842
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 4: of years he's been around and say, yeah, I've I've

843
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 4: acquired enough knowledge of how to do this that I

844
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:54,279
Speaker 4: could do the job.

845
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:57,400
Speaker 2: The B flowbos are working overtime today, Man, how about

846
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 2: this one? Why not make Flores general manager slash defensive

847
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 2: coordinat scouting background the B flow people, Man, they earlier

848
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 2: it was general. That would be unprecedented.

849
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 4: I think I would at least official that authority structure.

850
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 3: I mean, like you're my boss but.

851
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 4: Also my my subordinate.

852
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 3: Out of the box. Why are we stopping here?

853
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:23,479
Speaker 2: Why not just give him Leonard Wilfs staking the team

854
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:26,879
Speaker 2: just have marks. Somebody suggest it, yeah, and b Flow

855
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 2: somebody will suggest it before it's done. Yeah. I don't

856
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:31,359
Speaker 2: think that's the angle of anarchy that would be. Yeah,

857
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 2: that I don't think that would be. But it just

858
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 2: shows you how how strongly people feel. Somebody else earlier

859
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 2: suggested move up Koc to be president of football operations

860
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 2: and be Flow to coach, but we both said, I

861
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 2: think Koc likes calling the play is way too much

862
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 2: to do that at the offensive coordinator. NG.

863
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 3: There you go.

864
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:56,359
Speaker 4: I mean, if you know you can't rule anything out,

865
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 4: I think that would be, uh, that would be unusual.

866
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:03,400
Speaker 4: I would imagine that he will probably stay in the

867
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:04,359
Speaker 4: job that he has.

868
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 3: All right, Christian from Tennessee.

869
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Speaker 2: Let's see Hold on a second, let me double check here,

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Speaker 2: Oh rose Mound, I get Tennessee, Unessee. There is so

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Speaker 2: he's he's calling you out. Here's this text. Okay, come on, Ben,

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Speaker 2: open up on what's going on. They think he thinks

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Speaker 2: you're holding something back that you know, but don't feel

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Speaker 2: yet comfortable to say is he right?

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Speaker 3: I I'm not sure what he's referring to.

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Speaker 4: I think I will say this generally because I've heard

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Speaker 4: a fair amount of this. This has to become one

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Speaker 4: of those things that everybody kind of got started on

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Speaker 4: today and it's the oh, you guys all know stuff

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Speaker 4: and you're hiding it all. There is a level of

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Speaker 4: judgment you have to make in this job when you

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Speaker 4: don't work for a tabloid. I mean, there's there's a

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Speaker 4: difference between I hear, which is why I said this

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Speaker 4: town needs a tabloid. Well, sure, I don't know that

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Speaker 4: I'm going to be the or do they hire toin

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Speaker 4: of the vikings for said publication? But there is I

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Speaker 4: think there's gossip, yes, and there's news, and a lot

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Speaker 4: of the job becomes you hear a lot of things,

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Speaker 4: and I've heard things.

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Speaker 3: Put it this way.

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Speaker 4: There have been things I've heard of the last few

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Speaker 4: years that if I had said them, people would have said,

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Speaker 4: your nuts. And now I'm true, what does that mean?

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Speaker 4: It's just in terms of where are some tensions come from?

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Speaker 4: And all these kinds of things and you hear it

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Speaker 4: and it's like Okay, I don't know if that is true,

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Speaker 4: but I'm going to stick it under my cap. I'm

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Speaker 4: going to try to report it out. I'm going to

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Speaker 4: try to figure out what's going on because.

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Speaker 2: You've never had enough faith in it, in the reporting

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Speaker 2: part of it to report it. Is what you're saying,

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Speaker 2: Like that change now that somebody has been let go?

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Speaker 2: Do you think it's more likely that you're going to

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Speaker 2: be able to.

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Speaker 1: Get to that?

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Speaker 3: Well, it's possible.

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Speaker 4: I think some of it because everybody says, oh, you

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Speaker 4: guys are all just hiding because you're afraid of losing

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Speaker 4: your access. The Pro Football Writers of America makes it

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Speaker 4: very clear that your access to the team has nothing

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Speaker 4: to do with the way you cover it. So that's

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Speaker 4: in media policy that is not a good It's about

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Speaker 4: is that do we know this beyond a reasonable doubt?

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Speaker 4: And I don't want to apply a criminal standard to

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Speaker 4: this by any means, or a courtroom standard to it,

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Speaker 4: but you are thinking about it in terms of I

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Speaker 4: need to be very solid on this because it does

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Speaker 4: become something that affects perception, It affects narratives in the

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Speaker 4: fan base, Like I'm aware of.

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Speaker 3: All of that.

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Speaker 4: Just bling it out there, sure you can. I that

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Speaker 4: doesn't tend to be the way I operate. Maybe makes

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Speaker 4: me a.

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Speaker 3: Little more boring, and maybe it opens me up to

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Speaker 3: these kinds of things.

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Speaker 4: But my general approach is going to be if I

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Speaker 4: if I know something and I'm saying it in a

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Speaker 4: concrete manner, it means that I'm confident enough in it

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Speaker 4: through a number of layers of reporting to say it.

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Speaker 2: Ben Gesling is in studio. He of course covers the

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Speaker 2: Vikings to start Commune and joins us weekly. I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: let you sit on this question for when we come back,

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Speaker 2: because there's a bunch more obviously we can cover. I

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Speaker 2: don't forget. John Breem is going to join us about

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Speaker 2: four thirty ish or so by telephone. He was at

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Speaker 2: the Springsteen benefit concert. I guess you could say at

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Speaker 2: first avenue that ended about two o'clock that included his

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Speaker 2: anti Trump protest song, and then Lavelle will be at

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Speaker 2: five point thirty to talk about Derek Falvey and the

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Speaker 2: Twins parting ways. But here's your question to sit on

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Speaker 2: during the break. This is from Dave, who writes how

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Speaker 2: close are the Vikings to becoming a dumpster fire?

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Speaker 3: It's an interesting question.

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Speaker 2: I think he means it's somewhat satirically, but maybe not totally,

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Speaker 2: because it seems to me this is a pretty key

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Speaker 2: juncture for KOC moving forward, and maybe even a shot

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Speaker 2: across the bow by the owners to say everybody's on

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Speaker 2: notice now because we're tired of not making the playoffs. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: or once we get in not going anywhere, so we'll

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Speaker 2: get We'll pick that up on that point with Ben

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Speaker 2: when we return top of the