Speaker 1: Don't want to be an American idiot.
Speaker 2: It's a Scott Flung show on seven hundred WLW. We're
Speaker 2: going to jump right into this one. This it took
Speaker 2: me and I think a lot of people by surprise.
Speaker 2: So remember that new intoxicating Hemp law that the state
Speaker 2: went through, and it was taking the THHC and condensing
Speaker 2: it and putting it in things like well adult beverages,
Speaker 2: and okay, that was good. And then the wine comes
Speaker 2: in ninety day ban he shuts it down to protect
Speaker 2: the children, and then it's back on again following a
Speaker 2: court injunction. Then a finally new legislation comes down from
Speaker 2: the Ohio General Assembly. It fixes the issue. And then
Speaker 2: news broke literally just the other day of a day
Speaker 2: or two ago, that it's now in jeopardy becoming illegal
Speaker 2: because of Congress in Ohio's new intoxicating hemp laws and
Speaker 2: jeopardy after the Senate block ran Paul's amendment. And you
Speaker 2: heard some of that audio there and news helping makes
Speaker 2: sense of it this morning. Is the architect of Ohio's
Speaker 2: law in this and that would be State Senator Steve
Speaker 2: Hoffman from Tip City.
Speaker 3: Welcome, good morning, Good morning. I hope you're doing well.
Speaker 2: I'd be doing better if we had an answer to this.
Speaker 2: Were you caught off guard by this as well?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean we were, you know, the House after
Speaker 3: the injunction and you know, the House acted on the
Speaker 3: Lady six. We didn't agree on some things. So we
Speaker 3: were preparing for conference committee and you know named the
Speaker 3: chairman of the Conference Committee, and we're setting you know,
Speaker 3: some times to get together and all of a sudden
Speaker 3: this came down that caught us by surprise, and we
Speaker 3: got to deal with it now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and THHU, THC and fused beverages are the fastest
Speaker 2: growing segment when it comes to adult drinks. I mean
Speaker 2: the craft beer movement. I just saw the Business Curves
Speaker 2: headline the other day about it's over for craft beer
Speaker 2: and now it's all THC product. People go, adults going
Speaker 2: to bars and buying this stuff. And then we had
Speaker 2: Dwin's ban and that was in Jeffary. The court steps
Speaker 2: in and fortunately you led legislation to fix this thing
Speaker 2: to allow that to be sold and it seems to
Speaker 2: be working pretty well and there's no hiccup there. And
Speaker 2: now the United States government's getting often they want to
Speaker 2: go back to the way it was before and completely
Speaker 2: banning this stuff. And it's all behind Mitch McConnell, who
Speaker 2: is leading the restrictions on this one. What why now,
Speaker 2: you know?
Speaker 3: I think going back to twenty eighteen to the Farm
Speaker 3: Bill that legalized HAMP and then with my bill in Ohio,
Speaker 3: we followed very quickly on HAMP and we were all
Speaker 3: looking at industrial hemp on what you could do with
Speaker 3: it with clothing and straws in industrial use. We weren't
Speaker 3: looking at this. We knew that it was a very
Speaker 3: small part, but didn't know that it would take off
Speaker 3: like this. And I think, you know, Mitch McConnell, who
Speaker 3: you know, it's a big industry in Kentucky, was pushing
Speaker 3: for it, and he realizes that there's some bad actors
Speaker 3: and we should have done things differently in twenty eighteen.
Speaker 3: I'm not going to say we shouldn't have outlawed it.
Speaker 3: We should have put some regulations in to start with.
Speaker 4: We didn't.
Speaker 3: And now I think it's kind of going to the
Speaker 3: extreme at this point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because the hemp industry is saying that this basically
Speaker 2: would eliminate ninety five percent of what is now almost
Speaker 2: a thirty billion dollar industry and some three hundred thousand jobs.
Speaker 2: And that twenty eight billion is just a tip of
Speaker 2: the iceberg that's going to increase tenfold in the next
Speaker 2: number of years because people are liking the thh in
Speaker 2: fuse drinks more than just traditional alcohol with you know,
Speaker 2: it has the same effect. And I'm not sure what's
Speaker 2: driving Mitch McConnell on this one, because he's worried about
Speaker 2: the children. But we're back to that argument again that
Speaker 2: Governor DeWine used in order to put leverage on the
Speaker 2: General Assembly, which I understood the politics of that. I
Speaker 2: hate when politicians use it to protect the children. But
Speaker 2: Mitch McConnell's doing that again. Is this headed the same way.
Speaker 2: Eventually we'll come up with a compromise here and this
Speaker 2: will not be as bad as we are guessing it
Speaker 2: is right now.
Speaker 3: You know, I can't tell you for sure now. I mean,
Speaker 3: in the state of Ohio, we looked at it. The
Speaker 3: industry said, hey, look, we know that there's bad actors,
Speaker 3: we know that bad stuff go on, but we're the
Speaker 3: good guys people that were doing it.
Speaker 4: You know, keep it.
Speaker 3: Twenty one and over and things like that said, highly
Speaker 3: regulate us, you know, and it's not very often an
Speaker 3: industry comes to government says, we want more regulations on us.
Speaker 3: And that was the path that we were going down
Speaker 3: in Ohio, trying to get into some a good position,
Speaker 3: and all of a sudden this came up. So I think,
Speaker 3: if there's a path to good regulations that the industry
Speaker 3: is asking for, it can still be a viable business.
Speaker 2: The legislation, would you know, Ohio's legs, the one you
Speaker 2: propose is five milligrams TC beverage and barsarus five milligrams.
Speaker 2: A new federal structure of KAMMA wants is point four
Speaker 2: and so that would eliminate the entire sector before it
Speaker 2: even launches. And at this point, you know, what do
Speaker 2: you tell I don't know, manufacturers, what do you tell consumers?
Speaker 3: You're right? I mean it would devastate the industry. I mean,
Speaker 3: so you know, if you have derive your THHD from hemp,
Speaker 3: it would get rid of that.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: Will the industry instead turn to legal marijuana processors and
Speaker 3: get their THHD to infuse their beverages with THD for marijuana.
Speaker 3: And that then makes a whole bunch of other regulations,
Speaker 3: because now it's marijuana which legally, and this is we've
Speaker 3: talked before, this is stupid. You can't take that across
Speaker 3: state lines because it's an illegal scheduled one drug. But
Speaker 3: it's okay that the Feds just turn a blind high
Speaker 3: to it in every state. Right, So, I mean that's
Speaker 3: the possibility for the industry.
Speaker 2: Should the President just get in and fix this? I
Speaker 2: know he at times. I mean it's hard to tell
Speaker 2: what Trump is thinking or what he's actually going to do,
Speaker 2: because he's pretty good at talking out of both sides
Speaker 2: of his mouth a lot of times where he stands
Speaker 2: with this, couldn't he just say, hey, this is dumb,
Speaker 2: knock it off.
Speaker 3: I guess through the FDA he could do something. You
Speaker 3: know he's talked about, Yes, you know marijuana, you know,
Speaker 3: moving it from scheduled one, and that would do a
Speaker 3: lot not but for the marijuana industry.
Speaker 4: It would give us the ability to do.
Speaker 3: Research and different things like that. So you're right, it's
Speaker 3: hard to tell what he's thinking then what direction he's
Speaker 3: going to go in, but I think probably with the
Speaker 3: FDA he could do something.
Speaker 2: You see, there's all these new businesses going in right
Speaker 2: from distribution, and that would be you know, THHG shops
Speaker 2: and things like that, and distributors, and of course the
Speaker 2: beverage industry itself is blown up, and all of these
Speaker 2: micro brewers are starting to put efforts into THC and
Speaker 2: fuse drinks. Is that's what the public wants. They like it,
Speaker 2: and they want more of it, and you give the
Speaker 2: people what they want and you regulate it. And that's
Speaker 2: how it works in America. Least it should anyway. But
Speaker 2: at this point, because we're still relatively new at this
Speaker 2: whole process, Steve Hoffman, why would any business invest in
Speaker 2: the whole process of licensing and compliance and testing and
Speaker 2: inventory worry when federal law could make ninety five percent
Speaker 2: of the stuff illegal. It's just going to kill business,
Speaker 2: isn't it.
Speaker 3: It seems that way, you know that my understanding. You know,
Speaker 3: if the House and the Senate finally passed this that
Speaker 3: you know, at the end of the day, though, which
Speaker 3: looks like it it gives a one year ramp, maybe
Speaker 3: it won't be illegal for one year. So you know, basically,
Speaker 3: you need to sell whatever product you have so that
Speaker 3: you can kind of catch your losses. But yeah, you're
Speaker 3: not going to keep making more and more knowing that
Speaker 3: at some point soon you're you're not going.
Speaker 2: To be able to Yeah, it seems like Mitch McConnell
Speaker 2: and maybe other leadership in the GOP seem to talk
Speaker 2: again both sides of your mouth is they want states
Speaker 2: rights and should leave it up to the states, except
Speaker 2: for something like this, Why not just say, hey, plenty
Speaker 2: of states have an acted regulation Ohio included to regulate
Speaker 2: this stuff. Why don't we just defer to them.
Speaker 3: You know, that's certainly a possibility. I mean, we've done that.
Speaker 3: You know with marijuana. There's a you know a lot
Speaker 3: of states with medical, there's there's many of them with recreational,
Speaker 3: like Ohio, and there's still some like Utah that hey,
Speaker 3: we just don't want.
Speaker 4: This at all.
Speaker 3: So yeah, you could leave it up to the state.
Speaker 3: But if you you know, you look at the Rand
Speaker 3: Paul Amendment the other the other night. You know, he
Speaker 3: was trying to save the industry in Kentucky in particular,
Speaker 3: that was voted down about seventy five twenty five. So
Speaker 3: there's a large group in the US Senate. You know,
Speaker 3: maybe maybe the US House doesn't concur or at least
Speaker 3: has to say so in this and you know, there's
Speaker 3: still some hope that it doesn't.
Speaker 2: He's Ohio Senator Steve Hoffman out of justice, Tip City.
Speaker 2: It's it's we're back to this again. So we have
Speaker 2: our new intoxicating HEMP law, and that's the beverages that
Speaker 2: we enjoy edibles and cheers and smoke and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: Ape but largely this is about the THHD and fused
Speaker 2: drinks that are sweeping the state, if not the country
Speaker 2: right now. There's a huge demand for these products and
Speaker 2: there were legal to sell. Then it became briefly legal,
Speaker 2: we had a ninety day moratorium, the court stepped in,
Speaker 2: and finally the Legislature General suddenly their Steve's guidance fixed
Speaker 2: this and so you can enjoy those beverages now in
Speaker 2: salom and it's great for industry, it's great for consumers
Speaker 2: and everyone, and we're keeping out of the hands of
Speaker 2: kids as well it should be. But now the federal
Speaker 2: government stepped in under the auspices of Mitch McConnell Kentucky,
Speaker 2: who said that using the the wine argument, this is
Speaker 2: hurting children because the Farm bill screwed this up, and
Speaker 2: we're selling intoxicating products and it may undermine all the
Speaker 2: stuff we've done in Ohio and at the same time,
Speaker 2: you know, I think it was Senate Bill fifty six
Speaker 2: we're talking about here that you implemented. So should you
Speaker 2: delay implementing this stuff and should we just put this
Speaker 2: on hold till the FED sorted out or we just
Speaker 2: continue forward?
Speaker 3: Well, I think here in Ohio, knowing the governor, of
Speaker 3: the President and the Speaker, they want something done about
Speaker 3: the bad stuff. They wanted it done, you know, before
Speaker 3: summer break. Now it's for Thanksgiving. So I think we're
Speaker 3: going to more than likely act in the next few
Speaker 3: weeks against the bad things that we know they're out
Speaker 3: there in the gas stations and selling the kids. How
Speaker 3: far we go I think is still to be determined.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Do you also think that this is maybe some
Speaker 2: I don't know, some sort of power struggle here, because well,
Speaker 2: the opposing forces here are both Kentucky senators. You've got
Speaker 2: McConnell versus Paul, and we know their positions on this thing.
Speaker 2: Is the rest of the country in Ohio just getting
Speaker 2: caught up in this? Do you think there's something like
Speaker 2: behind the scenes going on here or is it just
Speaker 2: coincidental they're both from Kentucky.
Speaker 3: I think it's probably quincident all. I think it's also
Speaker 3: part that Mitch mcconnald lamed up on his way out,
Speaker 3: and you know, maybe this is, you know, one of
Speaker 3: his legacy things he's trying to get fixed before he leaves.
Speaker 3: I think there's a lot of stuff like that in there,
Speaker 3: but probably coincidental that the two are from the same state.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll be honest with you. I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: we question, and rightly so, the power of Biden's auto
Speaker 2: pen and how many of these edicts, decisions, executive ours
Speaker 2: and like he made were done without his knowledge. I
Speaker 2: probably could say the same thing about Mitch McConnell. We've
Speaker 2: seen people behind the scenes, aids and assistants that dictate policy.
Speaker 2: We've seen this with Diane Feinstein and others. I would
Speaker 2: think it works with Mitch McConnell's even know what the
Speaker 2: hell this is at this point.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm certainly not in the position the past judgment
Speaker 3: on that, but he's had a very very honorable career
Speaker 3: in the state aid of Kentucky and what he's done
Speaker 3: in the US Senate.
Speaker 2: So let's talk a little bit about the propersonality of
Speaker 2: this too. Is you know, the wine was concerned about
Speaker 2: child poisonings in the executive order, And I wonder how
Speaker 2: much Mitch McConnell really believes in this. Did did the
Speaker 2: federal approach and eliminating the industry does that actually?
Speaker 4: Does it?
Speaker 2: Does all this match the scale the ban? And does
Speaker 2: it match the scale of the child safety problem? Because
Speaker 2: I just I don't see that. Certainly there's a danger.
Speaker 2: You're a physician, you tell me. You see overdoses and
Speaker 2: kids present to emergency rooms, emergency departments, poison control centers
Speaker 2: because they ingested an edible or maybe drank something they shouldn't.
Speaker 2: We've seen that with alcohol and prescription drugs for that matter.
Speaker 2: But is the remedy here worse than the illness?
Speaker 3: Well, that's always the question, right Scott. You know, what's
Speaker 3: the balance, the balance of protecting people balance for people's liberties?
Speaker 3: And now it appears that, you know to me, and
Speaker 3: I thank you, the federal government is making it unbalanced
Speaker 3: to those liberties that people should have, rather than than
Speaker 3: going overboard on the safety.
Speaker 2: So yeah, and the whole industry hangs in the balance here,
Speaker 2: it really does. And I guess we're just going to
Speaker 2: continue on when they sort this thing out, and do
Speaker 2: you have hope that. I'm really rooting for Ran Polock
Speaker 2: quite honestly, because I think he made a great impassion
Speaker 2: plea as a libertarian, which I thoroughly love. I know
Speaker 2: why this stuff should be continuing on the path. It
Speaker 2: is of legality and you know, regulate it like anything else. Absolutely,
Speaker 2: it's an intoxicating product, can't fall in the wrong hands.
Speaker 2: But to simply shut the whole sector down because of
Speaker 2: the twenty eighteen Farm Bill and we're protecting children is
Speaker 2: a mindless exercise. Do we have hope that this thing
Speaker 2: is going to simply get squashed?
Speaker 3: I think the hope is the one year.
Speaker 4: That is given.
Speaker 3: To fix this in a different way, so the band
Speaker 3: wouldn't happen for a year on a federal level. Maybe
Speaker 3: they come back and you know, give the state's the
Speaker 3: ability to do it. Maybe they legalized drinks, so I
Speaker 3: think that was what the thought process.
Speaker 2: There was, or maybe looked like states like Ohio go well,
Speaker 2: they seem to be doing it right. That is the
Speaker 2: Petri dish of experimentation.
Speaker 4: Is it not?
Speaker 2: That we have fifty states, and of course in each state,
Speaker 2: multiple counties and jurisdictions, and somebody eventually is going to
Speaker 2: come up with a good idea that we can copy
Speaker 2: and use as a national model. But the posturing here
Speaker 2: is rather confusion, especial at the time when we just
Speaker 2: had this protracted the longest government shutdown in history, and
Speaker 2: now the news that's coming out as they're messing with
Speaker 2: your THHD and few drinks, just when you need the most, Steve,
Speaker 2: with the holidays coming up and the headache we have
Speaker 2: with government shutdowns.
Speaker 3: You know, sometimes you just scratch your head, don't you really?
Speaker 2: Do You really do other stuff to worry about. All right,
Speaker 2: I know you're optimistic about this thing, that the cooler
Speaker 2: heads will prevail, someone will get the MCCONLLM go. This
Speaker 2: is a bad idea. Just look at Ohio. Hopefully that
Speaker 2: is going to happen because people enjoy this stuff. It's
Speaker 2: a legal product, and people argue it's better for you
Speaker 2: and feel better than drinking traditional alcohol. So you know,
Speaker 2: I pick your poison, as it were. But this is
Speaker 2: a silly, silly exercise in what government does it which
Speaker 2: is the worst, and that is picking winners and losers.
Speaker 2: All the best, Steve, thanks for joining.
Speaker 3: You take care, have a good day.
Speaker 2: You too, Take care State Center or Steve Huffman on
Speaker 2: the Scotslan Show this morning on seven hundred W. They'vet
Speaker 2: all worked up about this because it's just stupid.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: I've tried the tht beverages. I like him better than
Speaker 2: like an energy drink, for example, which, by the way,
Speaker 2: I just saw a story of study about energy drinks
Speaker 2: and long term heart issues and brain issues and stuff
Speaker 2: like that. I don't know if it's true or not.
Speaker 2: I've tried energy drinks before. I just don't like the
Speaker 2: taste of them. I have to find one I really like.
Speaker 2: But plenty of people enjoy energy drinks, you know, the
Speaker 2: same thing should. Young kids are getting caffeine. They're going
Speaker 2: on the Starbucks, Dunkin Donuts McDonald's. Kids enjoy coffee. When
Speaker 2: you're a little kid, you always hated coffee, right you try,
Speaker 2: How could you drink that? It's terrible? And then your
Speaker 2: taste buds changes. You get already love coffee. Now, young people,
Speaker 2: largely because it's loaded with sugar, will drink caffeinated drinks,
Speaker 2: and a lot of them for that matter, too, and
Speaker 2: that causes problems. Why aren't we cracking down on that stuff,
Speaker 2: and we should. Is what I'm saying is you know
Speaker 2: there are harmful effects, and no matter what you know,
Speaker 2: too much sugar is going to be bad for you
Speaker 2: as a result of that. And in this case, if
Speaker 2: you're an adult and you want a legal beverage that
Speaker 2: should be legal for that matter, you get the same
Speaker 2: effect as alcohol. You're not picking winners and losers, and
Speaker 2: you're of course you're parsing over whether or not it's
Speaker 2: bad for kid. Well, it's all bad for kids. Everything
Speaker 2: we put in our bodies, generally, outside of maybe water,
Speaker 2: and if you live in Flint maybe not so much either.
Speaker 2: Then water's bad for you. Right, You can actually die
Speaker 2: from drinking too much water. So I don't know. If
Speaker 2: it's poison, it's one thing. But if it's something that's intoxicating,
Speaker 2: God knows. We need it today more than ever because
Speaker 2: the nonsense the government continues to pull. I need more alcohol,
Speaker 2: I need more intoxicating things, not less, as a grown
Speaker 2: asked man. Scott's Sloan seven hundred WW. Here we go,
Speaker 2: and this midweek morning, Scott's Sloan here seven hundred WLW
Speaker 2: starting to warm back up a little bit day to
Speaker 2: winter there I didn't do for you, probably not so good.
Speaker 2: But no feels good outside this morning. And we're halfway
Speaker 2: through at this point, still trying to figure out what's
Speaker 2: going on with the drop of the Epstein files. And
Speaker 2: now we're gonna lease some and it's got Trump's name
Speaker 2: in it, but there's some weird coded messages, and I
Speaker 2: just I don't know what to make of this whole thing.
Speaker 2: I can't wait to see what comes at well. I
Speaker 2: guess more to come out too. But you know something
Speaker 2: about the loudest barking dog, It's like it's almost cryptic
Speaker 2: fortune cookie kind of stuff. Let's get to the let's
Speaker 2: get to it all right, pitter patter, let's get at her,
Speaker 2: drop all the files, let's find out what's going on.
Speaker 2: Let's go, let's go, let's go. Last night, did you
Speaker 2: see any of the Northern lights? My wife is absolutely fascinated.
Speaker 2: That could be one of the next bucket list trips
Speaker 2: we do is to go watch the Northern Lights. She's
Speaker 2: fascinating with it. Soh yeah, okay, that's your thing. Let's go.
Speaker 2: Let's do it. The report last night because we had
Speaker 2: the I think it's ranked like G one through five,
Speaker 2: and last night was a G four and pretty bright anyway,
Speaker 2: and I recall the one last year was one of
Speaker 2: the best ones ever. You could even see the lights
Speaker 2: as far south as Florida Northern lights. Last night was
Speaker 2: pretty wrong as well. Reports of being able to see
Speaker 2: the lights in and around Cincinnati. And when my wife
Speaker 2: friend is last night at sunset, she's like, walks through
Speaker 2: the window the new house goes, I don't see anything. Well,
Speaker 2: that's because your facing south. I was hard hard time
Speaker 2: with people who don't get directions, and I don't know why.
Speaker 2: That's an interesting phenomenon that some people are really really
Speaker 2: good with direction, Like to me, it just comes naturally,
Speaker 2: like I know where north southeast west is or direct
Speaker 2: I'm not as good with. I'm more of a landmark guy,
Speaker 2: Like you tell me the name of Astraia, go where's
Speaker 2: that again? But I, oh, it's here. Oh yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: I can And you showed me once I can get
Speaker 2: there and I can get back. It's not a problem.
Speaker 2: But I realized that some people, man, no matter how
Speaker 2: hard they try, God bless them, they struggle with directions.
Speaker 2: Some people you could write it down and they'll still
Speaker 2: get lost. I guess, so, thank God for ways in
Speaker 2: the apps out there. But last night in the northern lights,
Speaker 2: as long as you're looking north, you might have been
Speaker 2: able to see them south. Maybe not so much, maybe
Speaker 2: not so much. But we all of our things, don't we?
Speaker 2: We sure do. This is interesting in Tennessee, got guy
Speaker 2: on death row there and he's I guess in Tennessee,
Speaker 2: either way they do. You can choose how you want
Speaker 2: to die. How do you want to die.
Speaker 4: In there?
Speaker 2: It's electrocution or lethal injection. To me, that doesn't seem
Speaker 2: like much of a choice, Like I'm one hundred percent
Speaker 2: with lethal injection.
Speaker 4: I know that.
Speaker 2: Well, you know you still between the drugs and you
Speaker 2: can still feel something, and you know we're splitting hairs
Speaker 2: when you talk to it. In this case, a guy
Speaker 2: who by the way, raped and murdered a student at
Speaker 2: Chaganu State University in nineteen ninety at that point and
Speaker 2: you're convicted that you know, I hope you feel a
Speaker 2: little pain. Quite honestly, this whole cruel and unusual punishment.
Speaker 2: Then unusual punishment and cruelty is one thing. And as
Speaker 2: much as we would want some sense of retribution for
Speaker 2: those kind of crimes where you really want them to suffer.
Speaker 2: I get that the constitution prohibits that, but we have
Speaker 2: I somehow come to interpret cruel and unusual as if
Speaker 2: you feel any pain whatsoever, if you're even the most
Speaker 2: at least been uncomfortable, got a little ogita over the
Speaker 2: fact that you're gonna be executed. Yeah, I'm sorry, this
Speaker 2: should be a little bit, just a little bit of
Speaker 2: pain involved there. I don't understand that. Okay, you get
Speaker 2: a drug to knock you out, make you not feel anything,
Speaker 2: another drug to calm you down, Another one that's gonna
Speaker 2: slow your heart, another one's gonna stap your breathing. In
Speaker 2: this whole cocktail of dry you can't make it any
Speaker 2: nicer to take someone's life than that. And yet there
Speaker 2: are still issues with well, well, here's what we think
Speaker 2: is going on in their brain. We're getting some brain function.
Speaker 2: And uh, honestly, I think we got way too nice
Speaker 2: about all this stuff. It seems to me. You know,
Speaker 2: we have these thirty ton presses that can bend iron
Speaker 2: and steel in the blank of an eye, very dangerous
Speaker 2: equipment and factories people around all the time. But somebody's
Speaker 2: head in that I mean an industrial press that would
Speaker 2: take the problem rather quickly. I'd be rather it'd be messy,
Speaker 2: but you know, you got pressure washes, maybe some birds
Speaker 2: picking at the stem, and that'd be like the way
Speaker 2: to do It's like, okay, here's this giant press, like
Speaker 2: a guillotine. Well, the quillotine can be you know. Okay,
Speaker 2: back then it was run by gravity, you know, French Revolution.
Speaker 2: We're going to be head people and sometimes it did
Speaker 2: miss and it's not good. Now we've got hydraulics. Man,
Speaker 2: get some get some heavy equipment involved, you know me,
Speaker 2: I like construction. Get some heavy equipment involved in here.
Speaker 2: Take care of the problem. And part of the problem
Speaker 2: here though again with the death penalty. Nineteen ninety is
Speaker 2: when he was convicted. It's twenty twenty five. That's the
Speaker 2: problem with all of this. But yeah, I definitely would
Speaker 2: go in lethal injection, our extracution. I think, yeah, you
Speaker 2: heard some stories look back in the day where they
Speaker 2: really didn't go quietly and there may be some suffering.
Speaker 2: They may still be alive afterwards. Okay, but we have
Speaker 2: better technology now, that's the best we had at the time.
Speaker 2: Old sparky LEAVELD injection seems to be the best way
Speaker 2: to do. But now we even steal full pain. Okay, fine,
Speaker 2: I say hydraulic press, thirty ton high product, the stuff
Speaker 2: that they make, you know, car panels out of punches,
Speaker 2: the metal done that, something like that. And if you're
Speaker 2: in that industry, you know you're probably far stronger things
Speaker 2: out there you could do to someone to take them out.
Speaker 2: We have a lot of options available for us. It's like,
Speaker 2: how just how nasty do we want to get though? Yeah,
Speaker 2: the idea squashing somebody's head like a like a grape
Speaker 2: probably left to appealing to a lot of folks. Quite honest,
Speaker 2: I think that would be the way to go. You're
Speaker 2: not gonna feel anything after that. It's good. We're just
Speaker 2: smashing you down like a used car. Kind of gross,
Speaker 2: I know. But if we're worried about pain and suffering
Speaker 2: and the constitution cruel and unusual, it may be unusual,
Speaker 2: but that is not cruel. That is a quick way
Speaker 2: to end somebody right there who has it coming? In
Speaker 2: this case, that's it coming. Now we're getting choices on
Speaker 2: they want to go. I don't get it. This is
Speaker 2: a uh you know, Supreme Court has a lot going on.
Speaker 2: Later on the show. This morning. By the way, it's
Speaker 2: the Skotis v. Potus battle, and the Supreme Court is
Speaker 2: debating Trump's tariffs and whether or not they are indeed attacks.
Speaker 2: And as you may recall from grade school, that only
Speaker 2: Congress can lovy attacks. That is the only branch of
Speaker 2: government that can enact attacks would be Congress. And so
Speaker 2: how do terrorists work? Is it attack? Well, Trump's the
Speaker 2: solictener General as a matter of fact admitted that it's
Speaker 2: an attack, so kind of underminds the argument, and Cavanaugh
Speaker 2: and Coby Barrett said that it seemed to indicate that
Speaker 2: some questions about that and seem to lean towards it
Speaker 2: and read the tea leaves at these things. And sometimes
Speaker 2: it's true sometimes that I love how everyone says, well,
Speaker 2: they're just going to rule straight with Trump, or they're
Speaker 2: gonna res straight with Biden. Then they never do. They
Speaker 2: wind up doing their own thing, and confound even the
Speaker 2: people who appointed them. Sometimes is the case, because you
Speaker 2: never know which way the whole court's going to go.
Speaker 2: So this will be interesting, you know, whether or not
Speaker 2: the tariffs are actually legal or not. And if you
Speaker 2: undo them, what does that look like? So it's a
Speaker 2: whole thing anyway, we'll get into that at eleven oh
Speaker 2: six today and what that actually means. But in the
Speaker 2: case of the Supreme Court hearing Kim Davis's petition, she
Speaker 2: remember Kim David being in Kentucky. So in twenty fifteen
Speaker 2: was the same sex marriage issue. And this is the
Speaker 2: woman and as I believe the clerk of court, she
Speaker 2: was refused to issue a marriage license to a gay
Speaker 2: couple in Kentucky saying it violates your religious beliefs. And
Speaker 2: that led the lawsuits and I think the couple got
Speaker 2: like one hundred thousand dollars and the Circuit Court upheld
Speaker 2: it and now it's been kicked up to the Supreme Court.
Speaker 2: That the argument, her argument is that it has no
Speaker 2: constitual basis and it conflicted with her religious beliefs. And
Speaker 2: you know, I always look at that and go, I
Speaker 2: don't know, if there's something that conflicts with your personal beliefs,
Speaker 2: then maybe it's time to either get someone else to
Speaker 2: do that or just step aside and go I can
Speaker 2: no longer do this job. And there's nothing there's nothing
Speaker 2: wrong with that. You admire someone for standing by their
Speaker 2: deeply held religious beliefs, But how much is reasonable accommodation
Speaker 2: for someone like that. And I know, if you're on
Speaker 2: the far right, if you're goods and conservative, do you
Speaker 2: think this is the most important case of all time.
Speaker 2: But you know, then you look at and go, okay, well,
Speaker 2: she's these are her deeply held religious beliefs. But she's
Speaker 2: been married what at the time anyway, four times to
Speaker 2: three husbands, as I recall, and three of them mented
Speaker 2: a divorce, and she had two daughters from the first
Speaker 2: one got remarried and there was a chain of divorces there.
Speaker 2: And you know, the argument is that gay marriage undermines
Speaker 2: traditional marriage. And why there's an argument right there. I'm
Speaker 2: sure there's someone who's more conservative Christian than she is
Speaker 2: that doesn't like Kim Davis because she has been married
Speaker 2: so many times, married and divorced, which in the eyes
Speaker 2: of many Christians is a no go Catholics, for example.
Speaker 2: So you know, if you're a Catholic that worked with her,
Speaker 2: I just don't understand how you couldn't be offended by that.
Speaker 2: And what about their religious beliefs. I don't know where
Speaker 2: does it end. The Saint is sainct dear marriage thing,
Speaker 2: I mean, marriage has become it's getting stronger. I think
Speaker 2: the numbers are maybe starting to go the other way,
Speaker 2: but as people wait to get married much later in
Speaker 2: life than previously. But your whole sanctity of marriage argument
Speaker 2: is arguable. What does that actually mean? But you know
Speaker 2: the other element of this thing two is that we
Speaker 2: had what there's a pretty good fact pattern here since
Speaker 2: and it's something like three hundred thousand same sex couples
Speaker 2: were married after this and have been married after this.
Speaker 2: And you know, you look at the boost to local
Speaker 2: economies just making life easier for people. Basically, same sex
Speaker 2: households and states of legal marriage have higher earnings, hire
Speaker 2: its to home ownership, sexual ent hate crimes and employment
Speaker 2: destrication against people like that are have declined. STD rates
Speaker 2: are down. And so yeah, I mean, if you look
Speaker 2: at the studies over the last twenty years since we've
Speaker 2: done this, there's no evident, there's no reliable evidence, let's
Speaker 2: put it that way, that there's somehow harm to the
Speaker 2: general population, which was laughable to begin with. There's just
Speaker 2: there's no ada. I'm sure you can do some studies
Speaker 2: that may be biased, and someone likes, well, what about
Speaker 2: the Look, what are the negative effects on marriage rates
Speaker 2: of different sex couples and there isn't any And the
Speaker 2: fact of the matter is like seven of the ten
Speaker 2: Americans have no problem with it, largely good for sight.
Speaker 2: Why because it's consenting adults doing consenting adult things. There's
Speaker 2: no victimization of children or animals or anything like that.
Speaker 2: And people have tried to throw that red hairiring out there,
Speaker 2: and it's a bad comparison. It's like, no, there are
Speaker 2: two people who happen to be the same sex if
Speaker 2: they want to be together in marriage. I think this
Speaker 2: church shouldn't recognize that that's no business with chair, unless
Speaker 2: you find a church that does. But by the state, absolutely,
Speaker 2: it's just better for the economics and the machineer or
Speaker 2: of the United States for that to occur. And Kim
Speaker 2: Davis being offended that she has to issue a license
Speaker 2: and find someone else to do it or just step aside.
Speaker 2: It's like when pharmacists wouldn't issue certain prescriptions, like well
Speaker 2: then you okay, have someone else in the office do it,
Speaker 2: or maybe maybe the terms of the job have changed
Speaker 2: and you can't do it anymore. And that's not just
Speaker 2: true for pharmacists and clerks of courts, but any job now,
Speaker 2: I mean, look at AI and there are many people
Speaker 2: who have been hanging on and doing jobs for a
Speaker 2: long time and don't understand all this technology. And if
Speaker 2: you can't, you just to go, oh, I can't send
Speaker 2: people that refuse to send emails. Now I'm still say
Speaker 2: faxes like it's you know, twenty ten, and you're still
Speaker 2: twenty fifteen, twenty twenty, You're still doing this Like either learn,
Speaker 2: you adapt, or you got to move on. That's just
Speaker 2: how it is. Hate being the adult in a room,
Speaker 2: but that's the way it is. At five, one, three, seven, four, nine,
Speaker 2: seven thousand and eight on the Big One talk Back
Speaker 2: iHeartRadio app to South Lebanon and Aubrey on the Scotsland
Speaker 2: show High There.
Speaker 5: Hey, I was listening to your show earlier about talking
Speaker 5: about the hemp products and the politicians lobbying to and
Speaker 5: I'm thinking about how much money is being spent by
Speaker 5: the alcohol industry. And I did a little research when
Speaker 5: I got home, and I'm looking at the list of
Speaker 5: our alcohol industry lobbyists that have spent money in the
Speaker 5: last quarter to get cannabis products, cannabis drinks off the shelves,
Speaker 5: and I'm just going to read them out to you.
Speaker 5: Anheuser Busch, Bacardi Beer Institute, Desill Spirits Council, Moat Hennessy,
Speaker 5: National Beer Wholesalers Association, Wine and Spirits Wholesalers of America.
Speaker 5: So there's a lot of money, deep pockets, old money
Speaker 5: in the US that's fighting to keep these products off
Speaker 5: the shelves, and I think it's going straight into the
Speaker 5: politician's pockets. This is about money. This has nothing to
Speaker 5: do with safety for children. This is crocodile tears. They
Speaker 5: don't care about the safety of the youth. If they cared,
Speaker 5: they'd be more worried about getting beer out of the
Speaker 5: hands of sixteen year olds.
Speaker 2: But well, I also, I mean, and that's a understanding.
Speaker 2: I'm with you on that. It's like, Okay, do we
Speaker 2: want our kids having these products? No, whether it's an
Speaker 2: edible or a eight product that's harmful to them, that
Speaker 2: has taching now and no one wants that. We should
Speaker 2: go after the illegal sellers and the straw purchases and
Speaker 2: all as well. We should, But you know, if you're
Speaker 2: a law abiding adult, I know plenty of people, not myself.
Speaker 2: I'm I can't say I've had enough of them. To
Speaker 2: get a good sample size of what I like and
Speaker 2: don't like. But people seem to really enjoy the THHD
Speaker 2: infused products. And now we have senators that are debating
Speaker 2: whether or not that should simply go away because of
Speaker 2: what happened on a farm bill and protecting children and
Speaker 2: the sanctimony of it all. And I will say, though,
Speaker 2: on the other hand, I mean, I'm sure that Rand
Speaker 2: Paul is influenced by that kind of money too, when
Speaker 2: he seems to be very resistant to this whole thing.
Speaker 2: I don't know, it's just Mitch McConnell.
Speaker 5: Well, I think I know why Rand Paul isn't influence
Speaker 5: I think he's more of a libertarian.
Speaker 4: Yep.
Speaker 5: I think Mitch McConnell is an old school Republican and
Speaker 5: Ran Taull comes from the Iron Rand school of thought,
Speaker 5: where you you more individual rights and less influenced by
Speaker 5: the old school you know, government, government, nanny state.
Speaker 2: But anyway, well, this isn't this isn't much different than
Speaker 2: I was just talking about. I mentioned the you know,
Speaker 2: the filler here about Kim Davis in gay marriage. I
Speaker 2: just never understood the how this, how this hurts a
Speaker 2: traditional marriage. You know, I've been in a traditional marriage
Speaker 2: for thirty five years, and I've never once been threatened
Speaker 2: because two gay people of each other and want to
Speaker 2: be tied in in matrimony and maybe not recognize the
Speaker 2: eyes of the church, which we shouldn't force churches to
Speaker 2: do that, certainly, but you can go to the government.
Speaker 2: Government should be the arbitrator that And the twenty years
Speaker 2: plus we've had this, it's been better for society, not
Speaker 2: worse like the people that Kim Davis claim it's going
Speaker 2: to be. And so I government being an outside arbitrator
Speaker 2: these things going now, it's a sense of adulthood and
Speaker 2: fairness and propriety. And if it's something that is not
Speaker 2: overly harmful, and everything we do is harmful of course
Speaker 2: to us or harming others, is there not a victim
Speaker 2: in it, you should be allowed.
Speaker 6: To do it.
Speaker 5: Well, you know, I don't want to get entangled in
Speaker 5: the religion because of my religious beliefs about the marriage issues.
Speaker 5: But I will point out my husband and I were
Speaker 5: just having breakfast. Shame on Mitch McConnell for wanting the
Speaker 5: federal government to step in over States rights. Right when
Speaker 5: Trump in, you know, we edded the federal ban on
Speaker 5: abortion and allowed states to division whether they were going
Speaker 5: to permit it. Why don't we just keep it the
Speaker 5: way it is? Why do we have to have a
Speaker 5: federal ban on a product? Why don't we keep allow
Speaker 5: the states rights? The states have determination on whether they
Speaker 5: want a product on the shelves. Why have to have
Speaker 5: big the big government determining what we permit.
Speaker 2: But that's all I appreciate it. That well, thanks again
Speaker 2: Aubrey for listening to show then South elevenon this morning
Speaker 2: A five one, three, seven, four nine, seven thousand. Well,
Speaker 2: it's it's part of the hypocrisy of politics. I mean,
Speaker 2: at least I'm consistent with a lot of this stuff
Speaker 2: is that, you know, I just I just want less government,
Speaker 2: stay out of our lives. And we're in a new age,
Speaker 2: and I understand that there's a you know, the new conservative,
Speaker 2: new liberal movements that are going to make things worse,
Speaker 2: not better in that regard. And at some point you
Speaker 2: think we'd move away from that going you know, we
Speaker 2: just need more civil libertarianism. Then we need people telling
Speaker 2: us how to live our lives. You know, stat of
Speaker 2: the way, let's make money, be an arbiter, be a referee.
Speaker 2: But you know, that's a dreamline. I realize it's a
Speaker 2: pipe dream and probably is. I don't know as fictitious
Speaker 2: a belief as how liberals believe in utopia and that
Speaker 2: can never exist, or conservatives believe that how things were
Speaker 2: fifty or eighty years ago was a perfect world and
Speaker 2: things are worse today. That's not true either. The reality
Speaker 2: is that it seems to work better where we have
Speaker 2: a divided government and a government just looks at stays
Speaker 2: out our way. But of course we have everything from
Speaker 2: jerrymandering to campaign finance that we're just talking about it
Speaker 2: more that cloud that And look at it this way.
Speaker 2: If if we had that perfect world, like a libertarian
Speaker 2: world where adults can do adult things, provided there's no
Speaker 2: victims in it other than yourself or the person you're
Speaker 2: doing adult things with, and you're not harming the rest
Speaker 2: of society, then it seems like, you know, that should
Speaker 2: be the way to go. But unfortunately that takes away
Speaker 2: the base, and it takes away the authority of politicians.
Speaker 2: You know, we all bitch and moan about what our
Speaker 2: favorite thing that would be carve outs and pork and
Speaker 2: you know, loading up bills with I mean, look, at
Speaker 2: look at to open the government. Look at some of
Speaker 2: the stuff they've included in there. It has nothing to
Speaker 2: do with keeping the government open. But that's how they
Speaker 2: ingratiate themselves, and that's why you have set asides and
Speaker 2: carve outs for their particular constituents, and which is why
Speaker 2: it is a maze of law that makes no sense.
Speaker 2: If you got to rid of all that stuff, and
Speaker 2: that is the essence of what Doze was supposed to do,
Speaker 2: you would have less need to elect these people. But
Speaker 2: that takes away their base, their power, and their authority.
Speaker 2: And it's about them, not us, regardless of what political
Speaker 2: belief you have. Anyway, let me get to a news
Speaker 2: update and more to follow after ten oh six here
Speaker 2: on the Scott Sloan Show on seven hundred w do
Speaker 2: to a council member Mark Jefferies one reelection and we
Speaker 2: now have new curfews coming. So now they want to
Speaker 2: lockdown the area on Short Vine like they did Fountain Square.
Speaker 2: We have different times. It's this makes no sense at all,
Speaker 2: another senseless move, and we'll try to make sense of
Speaker 2: it after this on seven hundred w WT Cincinnati.
Speaker 1: Do you want to be an American?
Speaker 2: Scott slumback on seven hundred WLW with a shooting caught
Speaker 2: on video what just last week the other week near
Speaker 2: UC and students of course, the victims of crime there.
Speaker 2: There After, pure Vall has paused his proposed six o'clock
Speaker 2: fountains where a juvenile curfew to focus now on Shorten
Speaker 2: Vine near you see, near the campus, and now wants
Speaker 2: to stop juveniles. I don't know what age, but after
Speaker 2: nine o'clock, and that's obviously tougher than the eleven o'clock
Speaker 2: curfew city what and so we've got these conflicting curfews,
Speaker 2: and the question is does it make sense. Mark Jefferies,
Speaker 2: council member re elect and also sits on law in
Speaker 2: public safety. Welcome back, Congratulations on your win.
Speaker 7: By the way, thank you, Scott, appreciate the opportunity here.
Speaker 2: I don't know first blush of this, I look at
Speaker 2: it and go, well, number one would be it seems
Speaker 2: like we've got a whole bunch of different times when
Speaker 2: the curfew is I you need like a curfew app,
Speaker 2: like a parking app, to tell you exactly what areas
Speaker 2: you can be in at what age at this point.
Speaker 6: Yeah, look, I've said this all along you know, I
Speaker 6: spent seventeen years of TMG and marketing, and the one
Speaker 6: the one thing you learn at marketing is having.
Speaker 7: A consistent message.
Speaker 6: And so if it's nine o'clock or eleven or six,
Speaker 6: and which block? I mean, even in this one short
Speaker 6: flying it's two blocks. So that's one concern. The other concern,
Speaker 6: honestly is like, what you know, this is a problem
Speaker 6: for business owners there. I've gone up to folks on
Speaker 6: shortvind I met with a bunch of the businesses there.
Speaker 6: We have issues. The question that I have is what.
Speaker 7: Exactly are we solving for?
Speaker 6: Because when we look at a lot of the incidents,
Speaker 6: you know, there's one in August tenth, which was twelve
Speaker 6: forty five, There's one at September thirteenth, which was one
Speaker 6: thirty six people attacking three people for pizza. The one
Speaker 6: on November first, first, who references, happened at two forty
Speaker 6: nine am.
Speaker 7: A lot of those are outside of even the eleven
Speaker 7: pm curfew.
Speaker 6: And so the first question I'm going to have today
Speaker 6: is are we enforcing the eleven pm curfew which is
Speaker 6: citywide there? Because those three incidents I just referenced are
Speaker 6: happening after that. You know, so, you know, I think
Speaker 6: we start there, you know, are we enforcing the current one,
Speaker 6: what's working, what's not working? And then assessed from there
Speaker 6: like what exactly are what sort of especially non violent
Speaker 6: activity or what kind of activity are we trying to
Speaker 6: prevent from nine to eleven?
Speaker 7: So a lot of questions.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the other consideration is the fact, well,
Speaker 2: are aren't the bulk of college students teenagers? And therefore
Speaker 2: how do you discern which one should be there and
Speaker 2: which one shouldn't? But simply by just looking at them,
Speaker 2: they're all teenagers.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean presumably it's under eighteen, and you know
Speaker 6: a lot of college kids are above eighteen. But you know,
Speaker 6: I mean that's where it gets very complicated, right, you know,
Speaker 6: you know.
Speaker 7: They're they this is a big problem. I mean, there
Speaker 7: are kids who are gathering there.
Speaker 4: I mean.
Speaker 6: Part of my concern though is also, and I've said
Speaker 6: this so along, is Okay, you have it downtown over
Speaker 6: the Rhine, and then you push it up to short mind, Well,
Speaker 6: what what happens now? It's going to go over to
Speaker 6: clips in there, go over to Sire, Yeah, I go
Speaker 6: to you know, Westwood, Like where are they going to go?
Speaker 4: Yep.
Speaker 7: And you know you're in.
Speaker 6: A whack a mole situation. So how are we thinking
Speaker 6: about that? And you know, so a lot of questions
Speaker 6: and I want to understand what the what the thought
Speaker 6: process is, and what the rest.
Speaker 2: I think, Mark, and that's a great point is that
Speaker 2: you you know, we've seen this before. We'll do the
Speaker 2: prostitution stings right and shut down a whole neighbor. They'll
Speaker 2: just go to the corner up the way and do
Speaker 2: it there because there's a market forarder in list kids,
Speaker 2: juvenile delinquents want to be the link win and they
Speaker 2: want to cause problems for everyone else. I get. So
Speaker 2: it seems to me again we're back to that thing
Speaker 2: you have no control over, would which would be the
Speaker 2: judicial branch, right, and that would be judges getting tough
Speaker 2: and cracking down on repeat offenders and especially those with
Speaker 2: gun crimes, sending a message it's not going to be tolerated.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: The other element here too, is is what the idea,
Speaker 2: ideal curfew policy would look like for the city. Any idea?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I think we need to look. First
Speaker 6: of all, I think it is a consistent policy and.
Speaker 7: You know, look now that it's getting colder.
Speaker 6: You know, typically these activities reside and colder, you know,
Speaker 6: they're not as much during cold months. I think now
Speaker 6: is the time to take a step back, and I've
Speaker 6: asked the administration to have you know, interim chief any
Speaker 6: come forward and you know, say, hey, look what has worked.
Speaker 6: How many kids have we have we actually enforced the
Speaker 6: curfew on? What does that look like? You know, where
Speaker 6: has it been effective? Where has it not been effective.
Speaker 6: Let's start there, and especially let's play it for next
Speaker 6: spring and summer when the warmer months you know, typically you.
Speaker 7: Know, spike these kinds of events. So I think let's
Speaker 7: start there.
Speaker 6: Let's let's you know, look at this as like end
Speaker 6: of year, you know, before we figure out what the
Speaker 6: next plan is.
Speaker 7: Let's figure out.
Speaker 6: What's working and what has been effective, and just honest
Speaker 6: assessment of you know, of you know, what we've done
Speaker 6: and things have worked.
Speaker 7: Then let's pivot and do something different.
Speaker 2: Mark Jeffries, the summer curfew district has been going on
Speaker 2: for a while now, and you know, kids going back
Speaker 2: to school. It's getting cold. I understand that, but what
Speaker 2: about the feedback from that relative to this and if
Speaker 2: it makes sense or not. I mean, do we have
Speaker 2: facts that actually improves safety or reduce the number of
Speaker 2: incidences along journals and Fountain Square.
Speaker 7: I don't know. And that's part of what exactly my point.
Speaker 7: We haven't had any data.
Speaker 6: I mean, we're finally getting to data on the food truck,
Speaker 6: you know band that they've put in place, which frankly
Speaker 6: shows no real effect. And so I want to understand
Speaker 6: the same thing on curfews. Okay, let's start with what's
Speaker 6: been done. Is it being effective and and not? And
Speaker 6: you know, we're we talked about being data driven, so
Speaker 6: I think, you know, let's see what.
Speaker 4: The data does.
Speaker 2: I'll be honestly, I think the food truck idea is
Speaker 2: the dumbest thing to come down that no one will
Speaker 2: take credit for. I don't know who started or why
Speaker 2: they thought it was a good idea. It makes absolutely
Speaker 2: no sense, the first and foremost being that the number
Speaker 2: one issue downtown or at least you know where we're
Speaker 2: talking about where short fine is too anywhere around the
Speaker 2: city's stuff from cars. What food trucks have no role
Speaker 2: in this is like and especially I feel for the
Speaker 2: vendors because they just want to make money, you know.
Speaker 2: Closing them down at eleven o'clock and then on a
Speaker 2: college area. And when I was in college and you
Speaker 2: were in college, Hell, you're up till three four in
Speaker 2: the morning, right, and so who want to get some
Speaker 2: food from a taco truck or a Burger truck or
Speaker 2: pizza at two or three in the morning. It seems
Speaker 2: like it's a great opportunity for the entrepreneur and the
Speaker 2: student as well. But you've got knuckleheads out there doing
Speaker 2: this kind of stuff, so we, of course we punished
Speaker 2: the good people.
Speaker 4: Again.
Speaker 2: I think it's the dumbest policy ever quite honestly.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I've never been a fan of it. I mean
Speaker 7: I can see a case for you know, making food
Speaker 7: truck zones or something like that. Hey, these are the
Speaker 7: areas where food strucks can gather, where.
Speaker 6: People can you know, come and then CPD can monitor
Speaker 6: at that's fine whatever. I think the focus needs to
Speaker 6: be on really pushing and we're starting to do some
Speaker 6: mon garages, but around security around parking lots. You know, look,
Speaker 6: sixty percent of guns are stolen out of cars and
Speaker 6: a lot of that is happening in parking lots, so
Speaker 6: we should we need to have better lighting, better security,
Speaker 6: better signage to sell people lock of your gun if
Speaker 6: you have it in your car. You know, that is
Speaker 6: how you keep these illegal guns off the street. So
Speaker 6: I want to see a lot of emphasis in that.
Speaker 2: I think that's fair too. I think it may be
Speaker 2: again it's punishing good people, but I get the impetus
Speaker 2: here is you shouldn't be leaving your gun unlocked a car.
Speaker 2: It needs to be in a box, in a safe
Speaker 2: box or something like that. A console, a glove box
Speaker 2: under the seat is not good enough. That's that's driving
Speaker 2: the demand for people to break into cars. And of
Speaker 2: course the element then is attracted around there, and so
Speaker 2: they're going to hang out and do bad stuff when
Speaker 2: they're not breaking in the cars.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and I wouldn't even say punish to the people
Speaker 6: because you know, I mean, look, I'm a gun owner.
Speaker 6: You can have your gun just if you have it
Speaker 6: in your car. Lock it up and put it in
Speaker 6: a secure stake or you know, lock it somehow to
Speaker 6: make sure that if your car.
Speaker 7: Hopefully it's not broken in.
Speaker 6: You know, if we have security and we have lighting
Speaker 6: and we have cameras, you know, that tends to deter
Speaker 6: a lot of nefarious behavior. And so the more we
Speaker 6: can do there to prevent people from getting these illegal
Speaker 6: guns in the first place is a huge start.
Speaker 2: Okay, he is council member Mark Jeffrey's Law Public Safety Committee,
Speaker 2: among others, And of course we had a rash of
Speaker 2: crimes on Short find Now the mayor is going to
Speaker 2: talk to council just a little bit here as a
Speaker 2: matter of fact, regarding shifting priorities when it comes to
Speaker 2: juvenile curfews from Fountain Square to Short Vine or you see,
Speaker 2: and making it maybe as early as nine o'clock for
Speaker 2: unsupervised juveniles. But the problem, of course is that most
Speaker 2: of the people around college campuses tend to be in
Speaker 2: that particular age group. I don't know how you a
Speaker 2: police officer to be able to discern a I don't
Speaker 2: know a seventeen year old from an eighteen year old,
Speaker 2: unless say, asking everybody for IDs or if this is
Speaker 2: even feasible for this point, and I get the effort
Speaker 2: we're trying to do here, but again, it's a much
Speaker 2: much bigger issue than just putting curfuws, John, especially when
Speaker 2: we don't have evidence that the previous curfews worked at all. Anyway,
Speaker 2: have you had any input or are you going to
Speaker 2: get input from UC and especifically the students or the
Speaker 2: businesses on Short Vine or anyone in Coryville for that matter.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 7: No, I've met with students.
Speaker 6: I've met with I had a meeting with a bunch
Speaker 6: of the businesses there and went up to Short Fine
Speaker 6: and sat down with them.
Speaker 7: And you know, look, CBD has a justice of parking.
Speaker 6: They're trying to make it easy, you know, harder for
Speaker 6: you know, folks to come in and park there and
Speaker 6: you know, and party along Short Vine. So they're they're
Speaker 6: you know, I don't know how effective of those measures are,
Speaker 6: but you know, these business owners are They're like, look,
Speaker 6: this is the worst that's been in thirty years, and
Speaker 6: so we have to do something. And that's where I
Speaker 6: think the first question is, given that a lot of
Speaker 6: these instances have happened at twelve forty five thirty two
Speaker 6: thirty in the morning, is are we enforcing the eleven
Speaker 6: pm curfew that we have in.
Speaker 7: Place right now?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Yeah, And that's that's where we start. And let's see,
Speaker 6: you know what, you know what, whether that's been affected.
Speaker 4: Should we not?
Speaker 2: Why should we be reading into this politically and a
Speaker 2: political sense Mark jeffres In that okay, so you can
Speaker 2: chief thg that's up in the air. Mayor wins re
Speaker 2: election quite handily as you did in other members of council,
Speaker 2: and now we go, Hey, you know, I forget about
Speaker 2: Fountain Square even though okay, I get it's colder, but
Speaker 2: you're still going to have a lot of people at
Speaker 2: Fountain Square because of the holidays and the festivities of
Speaker 2: the ice rink and all that stuff. So now we're
Speaker 2: going to take our focus with from Fountain Square and
Speaker 2: put it on Short Vine. Is the timing that's kind
Speaker 2: of a concern.
Speaker 7: No, I don't think there's a political thing there.
Speaker 6: I mean, look's if you know, because I do not
Speaker 6: think that we can take our eye off the ball
Speaker 6: on a Fountain Square and downtown and over the Rhine,
Speaker 6: you know, because to your point, people are going to
Speaker 6: be coming down. The Convention Center can be open in January.
Speaker 6: We've got that new plaza where they're going to have
Speaker 6: to rain. You're going to have a Christmas festival on
Speaker 6: Fountain Square, like, we have to have a safety during
Speaker 6: that time over Now, that has to be our priority.
Speaker 6: That's our front yard, you know, and obviously priority in
Speaker 6: the neighborhoods as well. But you know, when people come
Speaker 6: down to downtown, they you know, we need them to
Speaker 6: feel and and beast states so that they hang out
Speaker 6: and spend money and you know, and contribute to the
Speaker 6: vibrancy of our not just our city, but our region.
Speaker 2: You've got Red Fast, You've got that, the Ice Frank
Speaker 2: as you mentioned, you've got Halidi Festt, Fountain Square, you've
Speaker 2: got Santa, you got all the stuff going on in downtown.
Speaker 2: And now we're going, hey, forget about Fountain Square and
Speaker 2: I are going to focus on Sure. Why can't we
Speaker 2: do both?
Speaker 6: I think no, and I think we need to do both.
Speaker 6: I was ever a big fan of a six pm
Speaker 6: curfew on Fountain Square, so still the nine pm still exists.
Speaker 6: Six pm I just thought was a little too early,
Speaker 6: and then it does create confusion around what's six, what's nine,
Speaker 6: what's eleven? So I do think, you know, I've talked
Speaker 6: to Interim Chief Enny, and he's still very focused on
Speaker 6: in and around downtown, and you know, and as I
Speaker 6: think he should be, all.
Speaker 2: Right, yeah and focus on those doing the act and
Speaker 2: making sure because typically when you arrest these individuals, there's
Speaker 2: previous either wants and warrants out for them, or they've
Speaker 2: done something in the past and they've got a history
Speaker 2: of causing problems. I think we need to really lean
Speaker 2: on And I don't know why it's so tough to
Speaker 2: ask judges to know, be better what they're doing here
Speaker 2: to make sure that those who are repeat offenders, ratchet
Speaker 2: up the punishment for them, to set a message that
Speaker 2: that's not going to be tolerated behavior and it's not
Speaker 2: gonna make it go away, because there's always going to
Speaker 2: be someone else out there doing bad stuff. I get that,
Speaker 2: but I think it does have a chilling effect when
Speaker 2: you start getting tougher on sentences and punishments for people
Speaker 2: who are doing this kind of stuff.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Look, I mean, I've got four kids. If you have
Speaker 6: rules and you don't enforce the rules and there's no
Speaker 6: real consequence, you really don't have rules. And so I think,
Speaker 6: you know, we've got to we have to do what
Speaker 6: we can do here in the city Hall, which is
Speaker 6: make sure that we're you know, we're catching the back
Speaker 6: guys and then you know, once to get the judicial system,
Speaker 6: you know, continue to push forward, making sure that you
Speaker 6: know the consequences of the actions of these individuals, especially
Speaker 6: repeat defenders, are you know, material and prevent them from
Speaker 6: you know, continuing to do it again?
Speaker 4: All right?
Speaker 2: Finally, because I know you got to get in there.
Speaker 2: Mark Jeffries is up. What are you going to look
Speaker 2: for with the mayor's presentation of the city's presentation relative
Speaker 2: to your vote and how they should go? What questions
Speaker 2: you still need to answer? It kind of sum it
Speaker 2: up here.
Speaker 7: Yeah, A lot of questions. Are we enforcing the current
Speaker 7: care few?
Speaker 4: What's worked?
Speaker 6: What hasn't worked on to our fine in particular, you know,
Speaker 6: what kind of non violent activity is happening between nine
Speaker 6: and eleven?
Speaker 7: Like what's going on?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 6: And uh, you know and and specifically you know what
Speaker 6: you know, what would the path be forward if you
Speaker 6: know kids go to clips in the North.
Speaker 7: Side or another neighborhood.
Speaker 6: So a lot of these questions that I think we
Speaker 6: need answered before we figure out whether this is the
Speaker 6: right next step or not.
Speaker 2: Also find out about the jihat on food trucks too.
Speaker 2: That is just that is just sill.
Speaker 7: I'm going to ask about that too. I'm not I'm
Speaker 7: not you know, look at me.
Speaker 6: From the data that they present presentation that they shared
Speaker 6: ahead of time, like, it's not making any material impact.
Speaker 7: So if it's not, then why are we doing it?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that would be Yeah, we've got speeders on the road,
Speaker 2: so we close the road. It's uh, everyone else wants
Speaker 2: to use it too. So and by and largest, ninety
Speaker 2: nine point nine percent of the people who are buying a
Speaker 2: hamburger or a slice of pizza or a taco are
Speaker 2: law abiding people. Let's deal with the point one percent
Speaker 2: that's caused the problems rather than shutting it down for
Speaker 2: everybody else. It's insane, is with that is Mark Jefferies.
Speaker 2: Glad to have you back on council and thanks again
Speaker 2: for joining the show.
Speaker 4: Go get him.
Speaker 2: Thanks, I appreciate takes care you too, you as well
Speaker 2: enjoy Yeah, he's got to get in there because they're
Speaker 2: about to fire this thing up to Yeah, just so
Speaker 2: many questions with us, like all right, Fountain Square, how
Speaker 2: did that work? Well, we don't know, we have the data,
Speaker 2: so now we're gonna do it on short vine. Like
Speaker 2: I legitimately know how people in my family, my nephew
Speaker 2: was looking at U see and was concerned about the crime.
Speaker 2: So he was somewhere else you wonder if this kind
Speaker 2: of behavior continues to keep up, how many people, how
Speaker 2: attractive the University of Cincinnati becomes, because I know, you know,
Speaker 2: I think it's like top five, top ten when it
Speaker 2: comes to dangerous campuses. That's not a good look for
Speaker 2: the city of Cincinnati. And you know when you get
Speaker 2: these videos of gunfire on short vine and people getting
Speaker 2: jacked over pizza and break ins, and you know, and
Speaker 2: again it's does that happen in urban campuses? Absolutely, that's
Speaker 2: part of it. But you know, this is Cincinnati, we
Speaker 2: live here, and universites, you see, is a great institution.
Speaker 2: I think these students and certainly those parents who send
Speaker 2: their kids there from wherever it might be, even here
Speaker 2: in Cincinnati and beyond, deserve better than that. And you know,
Speaker 2: we need to take that seriously. And that's not just
Speaker 2: CPD University of Cincinnati police as well and our courts.
Speaker 2: We'll get a news update in and when a return.
Speaker 2: It's duly on the job career Wednesday. Here on the
Speaker 2: Scott Sloan Show seven hundred WLW, Julie Balki getting some
Speaker 2: well deserved time off. She's on a boat somewhere son
Speaker 2: in her cheeks so today we're going to talk about
Speaker 2: scams and looking for jobs. Something like over nine to
Speaker 2: ten gen zers and millennials are actively looking for a job.
Speaker 2: Francisco Javier Toben is from LinkedIn and that site, of course,
Speaker 2: like the Facebook of jobs if you will, scams are prevalent.
Speaker 2: We're going to talk about this morning. Welcome to the show.
Speaker 8: How are you hi, Good morning, Thank you for having me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so there been on scams have been around since,
Speaker 2: you know, since the dawn of times and certainly before
Speaker 2: the dawn of the Internet. We are seeing more some
Speaker 2: sophisticated ones now. The one I've heard that that's pretty
Speaker 2: common is, you know, you'll you'll put your you know,
Speaker 2: be looking for a job somewhere online and maybe respond
Speaker 2: to something and it's a fishing scam, and that person,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, you're just the right person with the job,
Speaker 2: and give you all sorts of hope, because sometimes job
Speaker 2: seekers are pretty desperate if the job search goes on
Speaker 2: for a long time, and so they get their trust
Speaker 2: and they have them doing things. The next thing you
Speaker 2: don't involve, I don't know, sending them Apple gift cards
Speaker 2: or something like that. You know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 8: Absolutely absolutely. I think scams are you know, they've been
Speaker 8: around forever, and scammers are continuously evolving, becoming more sophisticated.
Speaker 8: They're they're using new technology, infusing it into their tactics
Speaker 8: and their ways and their strategies. So even and like
Speaker 8: you said, you know, job seekers need to be even
Speaker 8: extra vigilant, especially given that we have a more competitive
Speaker 8: job market. We're just seeing one opening for every two
Speaker 8: applicants on LinkedIn.
Speaker 4: So this is a big shift.
Speaker 8: From twenty twenty one, in twenty twenty two, when we
Speaker 8: saw two jobs open for every applicant. So, but that said,
Speaker 8: we know scammers are increasingly looking to take advantage of
Speaker 8: these job seekers and why that's why it's even more
Speaker 8: important to be aware and that LinkedIn Uh, this is
Speaker 8: a top priority for us. We're investing into the tools,
Speaker 8: into the systems, and in the teachers to be able
Speaker 8: to support authentic experiences so that job speakers can feel great, uh,
Speaker 8: feel confident to move forward, uh and in their jobs
Speaker 8: seeking experience.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and if you're not familiar me, it seems like
Speaker 2: everyone's on LinkedIn, not just you know, job minded career
Speaker 2: minded folks, but everybody almost have to have a LinkedIn
Speaker 2: profile these days, even if you're not looking for a job,
Speaker 2: just to have one, just to have a profile up there,
Speaker 2: and it's the social media job search. Of course, most
Speaker 2: people think about job boards, and there's a lot of
Speaker 2: them out there too, But there's one thing in common,
Speaker 2: and that are the fraudulent job opportunities out there. So
Speaker 2: give me some red flags to look out for, Francisco.
Speaker 2: Relative to that, what are some of the warning signs?
Speaker 8: Yeah, absolutely, there are some a few red sizes that
Speaker 8: professionals should keep in mind when they're searching for their
Speaker 8: next role. Well, first things first, we want to we
Speaker 8: want to make sure that job speakers trust their instinct.
Speaker 8: If something feels off, this sounds too good to be true,
Speaker 8: it likely is. Be mindful of hirers asking for payment.
Speaker 8: So when somebody asks for money or for payment up front,
Speaker 8: your eyebrows up. You should never give out your credit
Speaker 8: card private information because your social security number, banking information,
Speaker 8: et cetera. Also, be wary of roles that move you
Speaker 8: very quickly through the interview process. So if you get
Speaker 8: a job offer after just one remote interview, it's rarely legitimate. Normally,
Speaker 8: you have several rounds of interviews with the recruiter. Then
Speaker 8: you'll speak to the man, the hiring manager, and then
Speaker 8: in many cases you'll get a third round in this
Speaker 8: interview where you speak to many different stakeholders so that
Speaker 8: you can get the green lights. Other red flags, bad
Speaker 8: grammar spelling, bad punctuation. It's usually indicative of a fraudulent
Speaker 8: ex sense or if somebody or recruiter looks to move
Speaker 8: the conversation off to another platform, which is usually indicative
Speaker 8: also of somebody looking to scam you. So if you
Speaker 8: encounter members of people that encounter anything that feels off
Speaker 8: on our platform, we want to make sure that they
Speaker 8: report it to us directly so they can click at
Speaker 8: the top right of the job or the message and
Speaker 8: other stuff that we can investigate and take action.
Speaker 2: You know, if I get an email phishing attempt and
Speaker 2: hear at iHeart my god. We spend a lot of
Speaker 2: time making sure everyone knows what to look for, what
Speaker 2: the warning signs are having to be fooled and tricked.
Speaker 2: And we have people catfishing us in the company, sending
Speaker 2: us fake emails to see if we click out and
Speaker 2: go aha. So you shouldn't be clicking on this stuff.
Speaker 2: So we just delete everything that's we're coming at it. So,
Speaker 2: but if I'm looking for a job now and you're
Speaker 2: telling me, and I think that maybe we bury the
Speaker 2: leader a little bit, Francisco. Is that you're saying, just
Speaker 2: a year ago or so, you know, we had two
Speaker 2: openings for every worker. Now it's foot flopped, it's got
Speaker 2: advantages back to in the game of career tennis. The
Speaker 2: advantage is now back to the employer. So you're saying,
Speaker 2: they're two job seekers for every job opportunity now, and
Speaker 2: so we're back to the way it's been for most
Speaker 2: of my life. If you are unemployed, let's say you
Speaker 2: lose your job or search job after a period of time,
Speaker 2: after three, four or five six months, you start getting desperate,
Speaker 2: and desperation is just right for being taken advantage of
Speaker 2: it. And I think that's the key difference when you talk
Speaker 2: about fishers and scammers and spear fishers and the like
Speaker 2: out in the real world on your phone with texts
Speaker 2: or phone calls or DMS or certainly emails, different than
Speaker 2: what you're actively looking for a job, because now you
Speaker 2: want something and you want to hope that somebody thinks
Speaker 2: you're valuable and therefore kind of like a you know,
Speaker 2: a love triangle or a bad relationship. That way, it's
Speaker 2: setting up for you to become a victim when it
Speaker 2: comes to looking for a job. That's a I think
Speaker 2: the psychological side of it.
Speaker 8: Now, let me tell you broke that down absolutely perfectly.
Speaker 8: It's it's it's a wild wild west out there.
Speaker 4: Yep.
Speaker 8: With increasing use of the Internet, new platforms and schools,
Speaker 8: like I said that new new technologies is like generative AI.
Speaker 8: You know, this is going to keep going, and scammers
Speaker 8: are not going to stop. They're going to continue to evolve.
Speaker 8: They're going to continue to find clever ways to trick people.
Speaker 8: So that's why we need to when we when we
Speaker 8: encounter something that feels off, just take just take a
Speaker 8: moment and pause, right, you know, pause and think. Sometimes
Speaker 8: we were very eager to move forward in the process,
Speaker 8: but you know, just giving the new realities that we're
Speaker 8: seeing and the data that we're seeing, is it's just
Speaker 8: important to be a little slower, be a little minafle,
Speaker 8: and and trust your instincts.
Speaker 2: As I said, yeah, I think also it's probably important
Speaker 2: to maybe have someone or a friend circle, a colleague circle,
Speaker 2: your network something like somebody you could take and go, hey, look,
Speaker 2: kick the tires on this for me? Am I crazy?
Speaker 2: Am I not seeing? Because sometimes you get into the
Speaker 2: you know, you're inside the aquarium and you can't see
Speaker 2: so good. You need somebody from the outside to go, hey, man,
Speaker 2: that looks like a scam to me, A better be
Speaker 2: careful and maybe you need somebody in the outside for
Speaker 2: wakel well, whether it's a spouse or a relative or
Speaker 2: someone along my line.
Speaker 8: Yeah, absolutely lean on your network, being on the people
Speaker 8: that you know, that that care about you, that that
Speaker 8: that want to see you succeed. I think these people
Speaker 8: are gonna give you an honest feedback, you know, and
Speaker 8: maybe let you know, hey, this feels off. So I
Speaker 8: always say, you know, go for a second opinion, go
Speaker 8: for a third opinion. It's going to help you ground
Speaker 8: yourself right. And if and if it still feels off,
Speaker 8: you know you can. You can also do a Google
Speaker 8: search to see what type of trends, what type of
Speaker 8: skins are happening mm hm. More often not many of
Speaker 8: these scams are reported through the Better Business Bureau. There's
Speaker 8: information and warnings out there that go a little bit
Speaker 8: deeper into what these scams are and in the different
Speaker 8: taxic tactics they use. So there's information out there. Lean
Speaker 8: on the people that you know, and lean on the
Speaker 8: information on the Internet as well.
Speaker 2: Francisco Javier Tobaan is a career expert at LinkedIn and
Speaker 2: LinkedIn is the well the social media of job recruiters
Speaker 2: and searchers and the like. That's where you go. Make
Speaker 2: sure you have a presence on LinkedIn if you're looking
Speaker 2: for a job or you're in the you know, you're
Speaker 2: in your working years and that's important to have that.
Speaker 2: But new survey comes out eighty five percent of workers
Speaker 2: here in the United States are thinking about changing jobs
Speaker 2: this year. That's a twenty seven percent increase from the
Speaker 2: previous year. And that number is nine and ten among
Speaker 2: gen zers, which is damn you're close to almost all
Speaker 2: of them looking for a job this year, and millennials
Speaker 2: too is pretty high above nine and ten. And with
Speaker 2: that comes scammers. Because we're starting to see the number
Speaker 2: of jobs dwindle. We're also seeing the number of employees
Speaker 2: go Okay, now it's I'm not I don't have my
Speaker 2: pick of the litter anymore, and it's now starting to
Speaker 2: become more like we've seen in previous years where you
Speaker 2: have more people looking for jobs and actual jobs out there,
Speaker 2: So that then comes with desperation and looking for a
Speaker 2: job and trying to dance yourself, and that means you're
Speaker 2: setting yourself up a scam possibly. But the whole thing
Speaker 2: with generative AI, as you mentioned Francisco, that's absolutely frightening
Speaker 2: right there and what we've seen just so far in
Speaker 2: its infancy. What are you prepared for in the future here?
Speaker 2: As you sure you guys are looking months or years ahead.
Speaker 2: So where you think generative AI is going on, how
Speaker 2: it's going to affect the job market and job seekers
Speaker 2: and that dance. But specifically when it comes to scammers,
Speaker 2: what do you think is going to happen?
Speaker 8: Yeah, well, we're using generative AI to infuse it into
Speaker 8: our products to make our members more productive and successful
Speaker 8: in their job experience. But we're also using generative AI
Speaker 8: in different new technologies to evolve our AI defenses so
Speaker 8: that we can better detect fraudulent attempts. We can better
Speaker 8: detect seak accounts that bad actors are using in order
Speaker 8: to attack or seek out vulnerable job seekers. So this
Speaker 8: is something that we're constantly looking to infuse into our
Speaker 8: defenses as we know it's going to be help us
Speaker 8: be more effective along the way. Another way that we're
Speaker 8: using technology is through verification. So we offer free verification
Speaker 8: to all US to most US members if they qualify.
Speaker 8: It's a free service. Members can easily go on LinkedIn,
Speaker 8: dot com, slash verify, verify their own account. But as
Speaker 8: their job searching, they can look out for the great
Speaker 8: shield next to a person's name. That means that person
Speaker 8: has verified at least one element of their profile to
Speaker 8: be their identity, to be their workplace verification. Or if
Speaker 8: they see a job with a shield, it means that
Speaker 8: job has been verified, that recruiter has been verified.
Speaker 2: Oh cool.
Speaker 8: So it's an extra people of confidence so that people
Speaker 8: can move forward with ease and they can go forward
Speaker 8: with their job searching experience with confidence as well.
Speaker 2: Exactly imagine most people don't have the time to research
Speaker 2: whether or not a company and that represent as legitimate.
Speaker 2: I'm sure the scammers are pretty smart about that that
Speaker 2: they'll steal the identity of a company and attach themselves
Speaker 2: to it and make it look like an internal email
Speaker 2: or whatever it is, when when not actually doing that
Speaker 2: and so those are some of the warning signs. What
Speaker 2: are the real quick here, because I know we've got
Speaker 2: to get going. Most popular scams you're seeing today when
Speaker 2: it comes to job searches.
Speaker 8: Yeah, of course, aside from like financial requests, we're also
Speaker 8: seeing cryptocurrency scams where scammers ask them to down those
Speaker 8: specific types of software. As you also hint it hinted out.
Speaker 8: We've also seen gift cards, gift card requests or receep
Speaker 8: alone a prize or different types of winnings. But most
Speaker 8: indicative and specifically on LinkedIn. Romantic messages or gestures with
Speaker 8: which are inappropriate, they're not allowed on LinkedIn. So normally
Speaker 8: many of these scammers, they use bots as well, automated
Speaker 8: generative AI bots that use to uh to to charm
Speaker 8: potential victims over a long period of time. They call
Speaker 8: these pig butchering scams where they gain trust so for
Speaker 8: months and months, and then sooner or later, you know
Speaker 8: they have enough trust equity with that person for these
Speaker 8: to be able to hand over the keys to a
Speaker 8: cryptocurrency account, et cetera. So you know it's something as
Speaker 8: I said, you know, most of most of the time
Speaker 8: these things can be prevented and we're doing the job
Speaker 8: in the work in order to be able to surface
Speaker 8: more of these authenticity signals to our members so that
Speaker 8: they can make educated decisions as they navigate their job
Speaker 8: search experience.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think by now the whole gift card scam
Speaker 2: that people would go man when they start asking for
Speaker 2: an iTunes gift card, it's I'm looking for a job.
Speaker 2: Why am I giving you something. I'm the one who
Speaker 2: needs the job. I want to be hired, and you
Speaker 2: give me money. I shouldn't be giving you anything in
Speaker 2: that regarding you have. People do it all the time.
Speaker 2: It's the damnedest thing.
Speaker 8: It's so funny. And they also want one other thing.
Speaker 8: And I want to make sure to call this out.
Speaker 8: Sometimes they send you a check like a check. Pay
Speaker 8: here's a right send new money, so buy that and
Speaker 8: then that check founts back. We want to make sure
Speaker 8: that you know, and you're going to be in charge
Speaker 8: of you're going to be in debt with the bank
Speaker 8: to pay that to pay that back. So I'd just
Speaker 8: be very mindful of those.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you see, it's it's and there are a
Speaker 2: lot of smart people that get pulled in by this trap.
Speaker 2: Believe it or not, so just start to look out
Speaker 2: for again. Francisco Javier toob On with LinkedIn, Thanks so
Speaker 2: much for the info.
Speaker 4: Appreciate it absolutely.
Speaker 8: Thanks thanks for having me. Have a great day.
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Speaker 2: tariff is kind of like a tax. The only problem
Speaker 2: with that is, according to the Constitution, only Congress can
Speaker 2: lovey taxes. No other branch of government executive, judicial, can
Speaker 2: do that. So what happens to the tariffs? And some
Speaker 2: Supreme Court watchers believe that indications are there that they
Speaker 2: may actually strike the tariffs down sometime soon. What does
Speaker 2: this mean? I've got a guy and to talk about that.
Speaker 2: I got a guy for that. He'll explain it, why
Speaker 2: it makes sense to you and also what the bottom
Speaker 2: line is for you. Coming up next on the show
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Speaker 1: Want to American, He's got.
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Speaker 2: things happening. The Supreme Court has been busy. They're hearing
Speaker 2: arguments on the constitutionality President Trump's tariffs, and the early
Speaker 2: indication at least is a few days ago, it seems
Speaker 2: to be in jeopardy the tariffs. So some of the
Speaker 2: conservative justice even seem skeptical that Trump has the power
Speaker 2: to impose these far reaching tariffs and a ruling could
Speaker 2: certainly hurt, if not kill, his signature second term priority
Speaker 2: on that with analysis is the director of Constitutional Studies
Speaker 2: at the Manhattan Institute, Elias Shapiro. Welcome, good morning, Good morning, Scott.
Speaker 9: Yeah, not quite sure what theory they're going to rest on,
Speaker 9: but a majority of the justicees definitely seemed skeptical that
Speaker 9: at least under this particular statute, which has never been
Speaker 9: used for tariffs, that the president could do what he's doing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the bottom line here, So we saw that at
Speaker 2: least two of the likely swing by the Conservatives, it'd
Speaker 2: be John Roberts and Justice Barrick Camy Comme. Barrett indicated
Speaker 2: that maybe they're not inclined to see Trump's side of
Speaker 2: this thing. Roberts quote was, the vehicle is in position
Speaker 2: of taxes on Americans, and that's always been the core
Speaker 2: power of Congress. Even one of Trump's attorney's admit, I
Speaker 2: believe it was attorney admitted that this was a tax
Speaker 2: the fact of text. Does this undermine the whole thing?
Speaker 9: Yeah, the Congress cannot delegate its power to tax, and
Speaker 9: presumably that includes the power to tariff, although other statutes
Speaker 9: that are more narrower have not been challenged in the past,
Speaker 9: and presidents going back, you know, decades.
Speaker 4: Have used it.
Speaker 9: In fact, the Treasury Secretary Scott Bessett later said, well,
Speaker 9: the Supreme.
Speaker 4: Court and validate this.
Speaker 9: We have other ways of accomplishing pretty much the same thing,
Speaker 9: and that is more.
Speaker 4: Or less correct.
Speaker 9: If the tariffs are more targeted, you know, China for
Speaker 9: national security reasons, other countries for retaliation, or whatever the
Speaker 9: case might be.
Speaker 4: There are ways of running.
Speaker 9: A tariff re dream through the Executive Office, but probably
Speaker 9: not this particular statute.
Speaker 2: The Solicitor General Souer read a letter from James Madison
Speaker 2: that it felt like, as I mentioned, undermined their argument
Speaker 2: in saying that, well, a tariff is attacks. Has that
Speaker 2: been overblown that quote or is that something that is
Speaker 2: going to weigh in the minds of the justices.
Speaker 9: Well, it's all part of the same puzzle. So the
Speaker 9: first level analysis is the text of this statutet the
Speaker 9: International Economic Emergency Prevention Act ii EPA as it's called,
Speaker 9: and which lists a whole bunch of things that the
Speaker 9: president can do in an emergency block embargo, do various,
Speaker 9: but the tax is not listed. And so lawyers, there's
Speaker 9: a tool of interpretation that says, if you have a
Speaker 9: big long list and what you want to do is
Speaker 9: not included, well that's a pretty good indication that that
Speaker 9: there's no authority for that particular thing. So that's especially
Speaker 9: what Justice Barrett was skeptical about. And then beyond that
Speaker 9: is this constitutional delegation of taxing authority that we just
Speaker 9: discussed that for example, Justice Gorsich was particularly skeptical about,
Speaker 9: and Chief Justice Roberts he just thought of as as
Speaker 9: you just mentioned, this is a major question of economic significance,
Speaker 9: and unless Congress speaks explicitly, he's going to be doubtful
Speaker 9: that the executive can just assume that power.
Speaker 2: Ellie Shapiro Manhattan instued one of the legal framework questions
Speaker 2: you're going to hear thrown around during this decision. It's
Speaker 2: a big one too, because this is a lovely cornerstone
Speaker 2: of his second administration, the tariffs, and I's struck down
Speaker 2: by the Court that's certainly going to have implications to
Speaker 2: the markets and everything else. It's called the Major Questions Doctrine,
Speaker 2: which I understand is a relatively new piece of judicial framework.
Speaker 2: Can you explain what it is and how they developed
Speaker 2: it and whyde applies here?
Speaker 9: Apparently I got way ahead of you, because that's what
Speaker 9: I was describing that that you know, that's I was
Speaker 9: trying to kind of break it down.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Developed.
Speaker 9: This is especially the developed in the last decade or so.
Speaker 9: When there's a question of of major political social economics significance,
Speaker 9: unless Congress has specified it, they're not going to defer
Speaker 9: to the executive branch about that. At Chief Justice Roberts,
Speaker 9: the middle of the court, Roberts Barrett Cavanaugh are especially
Speaker 9: concerned about that, although in this case Cavanaugh, who's thought
Speaker 9: as a median vote, seemed to be more towards the
Speaker 9: government side, more deferential to executive power.
Speaker 2: Okay, got it. This sounds like jeopardy there. The answer
Speaker 2: was a question Ellie Sapiro at Manhattan Institute on the
Speaker 2: show this Morning on seven hundred WLW is it tough
Speaker 2: to read the tea leaves? And saying, well, you know,
Speaker 2: Justice Amy Coney Barrett said this, and Justice John Roberts
Speaker 2: said this, And you go and you start to how
Speaker 2: often does that turned out to be true? Because their
Speaker 2: job is to ask probing questions. Is it presumptuous to
Speaker 2: kind of read into that like we're doing right now?
Speaker 9: Well, I mean, my prediction is worth what you're paying
Speaker 9: for it. And you know, I have a quote unquote expertise.
Speaker 4: I followed the court. I filed briefs myself.
Speaker 9: I have written a book about the Supreme Court, Supreme disorder,
Speaker 9: about judicial nomination and the politics thereof you do your
Speaker 9: best and the justices in the end can surprise. Oral
Speaker 9: argument is the tip of the iceberg. It's it's what
Speaker 9: we see. But uh, you know, the briefs are important,
Speaker 9: and the justices discussions and the drafts of the opinions
Speaker 9: going back and forth. So nobody's ever going to give
Speaker 9: you one hundred percent certainty.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 2: It wasn't long ago that the Court struck down Biden's
Speaker 2: student loan forgiveness, And does that factor into this is
Speaker 2: a shadow the upcoming decision?
Speaker 4: I think it does.
Speaker 9: I think it does, And a lot of commentators have
Speaker 9: compared it to that and other ways in which the
Speaker 9: court has gone against the executive brands the last couple
Speaker 9: of presidencies.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 4: You know, they're they're deferential to a point.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 9: And you know that's why the Solsier General, the government's lawyer,
Speaker 9: kept pressing about that this is a foreign policy issue
Speaker 9: because the president typically gets more difference from courts on
Speaker 9: foreign policy national security.
Speaker 4: But there's this important statute involved.
Speaker 8: Uh.
Speaker 4: And you know, just like Biden's.
Speaker 9: Reading, his administration's reading of the relevant statute for student
Speaker 9: loans or for the vaccine mandate for private employers. The
Speaker 9: court said that that was stretching the statute, reading into
Speaker 9: it things that weren't there. It seems to be that's
Speaker 9: where they're going here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we mentioned the Slicitor General tried to distinguish the
Speaker 2: terrorists and taxes, but you know, the economists and apparently
Speaker 2: several justices see them as is the same thing. And
Speaker 2: how does that how does that work with this court
Speaker 2: and constitutional interpretation and also looking at well economic reality
Speaker 2: because the market's obviously watching this very very closely.
Speaker 9: The I mean, the president himself sort of undermines his
Speaker 9: own case because he brags about all the revenue that's
Speaker 9: being brought in by the tariffs, and the legal definition
Speaker 9: of a tax is a a legislative action that that
Speaker 9: raises revenue. So, uh, you know, I'm even less of
Speaker 9: a good predictor of the markets. Otherwise I'd be something
Speaker 9: other than a prostitutional lawyer. Right, But it seems like
Speaker 9: large employers have already large large manufacturers, producers, companies have
Speaker 9: already priced in the cost of the tariffs and passed
Speaker 9: them along to consumers. That's why these cases have been
Speaker 9: brought by small businesses. And so how the markets will react,
Speaker 9: I don't know. Is all of this already priced in.
Speaker 9: Will getting rid of the tariff, the uncertainty over that,
Speaker 9: will that harm the markets versus not having this extra
Speaker 9: tax to liberate the attax liberate the markets.
Speaker 4: That's not clear. Plus there's the remedial points.
Speaker 9: So it's not just that the Supreme Court rules the
Speaker 9: tariff is invalid and all of a sudden everybody instantly
Speaker 9: gets a refund. There's a whole big question of how
Speaker 9: you would you reverse that. Does each company that's paid
Speaker 9: a tariff have to make a new claim? Do the
Speaker 9: lower courts have power? And almost certainly the Supreme Court
Speaker 9: is not going to enter a remedial order. They're going
Speaker 9: to leave that remand that back to the lower court
Speaker 9: to figure out.
Speaker 2: Well, even bigger than that, do justices look at the
Speaker 2: after effects of the decision in that you know, the
Speaker 2: businesses have already paid these tariffs, What does that what's
Speaker 2: the refrunt process look like? Or do we keep their
Speaker 2: money or do they get to the nuances of that
Speaker 2: or they just rule on this decision and let everyone
Speaker 2: else sort that out after.
Speaker 9: Yeah, it's a it's a it's a separate issue. There's
Speaker 9: the issue of remedies and there are you know, the
Speaker 9: government when when it was asking for a stay of
Speaker 9: the lower court rule and blocking the tariffs, said oh, well,
Speaker 9: if we turn out to be wrong, we can always
Speaker 9: refund the money.
Speaker 4: So they kind of hurt.
Speaker 9: Their own long term interest by by arguing that in
Speaker 9: the in the short term and theory, in this digital age,
Speaker 9: everyone has records of who paid what, and you should
Speaker 9: be able to if there's a court order to for
Speaker 9: all the customs inspectors and whatnot to just reverse the
Speaker 9: charge and you know, make the make the wire go
Speaker 9: in the other direction that that should be done. I mean,
Speaker 9: it might be more complicated than certain other things, but
Speaker 9: it's not an impossible task.
Speaker 2: Hilly Shapiro, Manhattan Institute. The Supreme Court weighing Trump's tariffs
Speaker 2: right now, and it is. It's hanging in the balance.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 2: The early indication seemed that at least a couple of
Speaker 2: more conservative members of the panel are leaning towards knocking
Speaker 2: this thing down. But we'll see again as they contemplate this.
Speaker 2: And there's also the precedent here too. If the court
Speaker 2: rules against Trump, what does that mean for future presidents
Speaker 2: or parties or who want to use that executive authority
Speaker 2: on economic policies.
Speaker 9: That question came up that if we allow this, would
Speaker 9: a future president be able to declare an international emergency
Speaker 9: for climate change and therefore tax car companies and other
Speaker 9: you know, manufacturers that contribute to climate change. And the
Speaker 9: Solcier General said potentially yes. So I don't think that's
Speaker 9: going to sit very well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll see how it plays out here too. It's
Speaker 2: certainly interesting. And the timeline on this, because we never
Speaker 2: know when they're going to make a ruling on this.
Speaker 2: How long could this go?
Speaker 4: Well, they could.
Speaker 9: Have a decision by Christmas. It shouldn't take long to
Speaker 9: figure out if they want to get it out quick.
Speaker 9: But there's another case that's going to be argued next
Speaker 9: month on the president's power to remove the heads of
Speaker 9: independent agencies the National Labor Relations Board, the Federal Trade Commission,
Speaker 9: other alphabet agencies as they're called. And it looks like
Speaker 9: that case is going to go for the president for
Speaker 9: the administration, So they might want to pair those two
Speaker 9: if they're going to invalidate the if they're going to
Speaker 9: block the tariff, they might want to pair it with that,
Speaker 9: And so you have one win, one loss for the administration,
Speaker 9: in which case it would spill into January February.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems like they were I mean in the first
Speaker 2: three here is that they're uncomfortable with giving him carte
Speaker 2: blanche to apply tariffs whenever he wants. It seems like
Speaker 2: they pull that back someone at the very least.
Speaker 9: Again, that's the conventional wisdom as we've been discussing, and
Speaker 9: there are I think polymarket or there's some way you
Speaker 9: can bet on court opinions it might be off or
Speaker 9: or something like that. So you know, that's not not
Speaker 9: a bad way of checking what the wisdom of clouds
Speaker 9: might be.
Speaker 4: But uh, you know, there just like.
Speaker 9: In the NFL. The reason you know, any given Sunday,
Speaker 9: anything can happen. And so that's why the reason we
Speaker 9: play these games is you know, they could they could
Speaker 9: take it in a completely different.
Speaker 2: Direction, all due respect, but you know, we we often
Speaker 2: defer to the pundit class, like for example, Trump is
Speaker 2: going to you know, ext remember, is going to strike
Speaker 2: down gay marriage, and of course they went, now, we're not,
Speaker 2: We're not doing that, and was at a pleasant surprise,
Speaker 2: Not really, it wasn't a surprise at all that that
Speaker 2: would that would be almost impossible to onto us side
Speaker 2: of your scope of what we're talking about here. But
Speaker 2: I think that applies to some degree as well. They're
Speaker 2: not going to go there. You know, the idea that
Speaker 2: somehow they're just going to do everything Trump wants to
Speaker 2: do is it's rather silly.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's absolutely right.
Speaker 9: And and there's all these media narratives gended up that
Speaker 9: this is Trump's court and that's just not true. What
Speaker 9: they've been ruling is to allow the the president to
Speaker 9: reorganize the executive branch.
Speaker 4: He's the head of the executive branch, he controls it.
Speaker 9: When he steps over into violating individual rights or stepping
Speaker 9: into legislative territory. That's when the administration has taken its
Speaker 9: losses and they've been strategic about which case is to
Speaker 9: bring up to the Supreme Court, which is why they
Speaker 9: have a very high win rate thus far in the
Speaker 9: first ten months of the second Trump administration.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll be interesting. We're all following this case because
Speaker 2: this is the cornerstone of a second administration, is the tariffs.
Speaker 2: And as we said, it's going to take a long time.
Speaker 2: But if the court strikes us down, it also gives
Speaker 2: him cover, I think too, politically speaking, if the Supreme
Speaker 2: Court tries to pull back on his what he's trying
Speaker 2: to do here, he has now a little bit of
Speaker 2: cover and excuse going. Well, it would have worked if
Speaker 2: it wasn't for the damn meddling Supreme Court.
Speaker 4: Like scooby doo, that's right, that's right.
Speaker 9: And it also there's two economists are correct that the
Speaker 9: tariff has hurt our economy, hurt consumers. Then you know,
Speaker 9: then the markets will be up, things will be better economically,
Speaker 9: while he still gets to to rail against these enemies
Speaker 9: and to help them politically. So even if he might
Speaker 9: not like it, it might be beneficial, especially ahead of the terms.
Speaker 2: Director of Concertial Studies and Senior failty in Manhattan Institute,
Speaker 2: Ilia Shapiro on this great analysis. I appreciate it. Have
Speaker 2: a wonderful day, my pleasure, Scott. Yeah, you wonder if
Speaker 2: Republicans and this would be the leadership in the House
Speaker 2: and the Senate and maybe to some degree of those
Speaker 2: around Trump, maybe not Trump himself, but are kind of
Speaker 2: hoping for the Supreme Court to step in and kind
Speaker 2: of curb the tear if things some water, strike them down,
Speaker 2: simply because it gives you cover. Now saying, guy, you
Speaker 2: know we could have done this, I would have been well,
Speaker 2: it was all working up until the Supreme Court got involved,
Speaker 2: and now they screwed it back up. And it's the
Speaker 2: deep state, and this is why you've got to vote
Speaker 2: for well, name your next candidate. But you know Trump
Speaker 2: has been claiming we get these emails every day from
Speaker 2: the White House about you know, policies and saying when
Speaker 2: Trump is saying every price is down, everything is way down,
Speaker 2: down down, and prices are down down down. Everyone knows
Speaker 2: that it's less expensive than it was under Joe Biden.
Speaker 2: Not true, because you know, you can tell people that
Speaker 2: and put it on true social and claim it to be.
Speaker 2: But you know, the bottom line is, unlike other policies,
Speaker 2: we don't see and feel directly. You know, when you
Speaker 2: go to the grocery store and you see the price
Speaker 2: of beef, and you see that the consumer price index
Speaker 2: is up from where it's been. There's been inflation in
Speaker 2: every month of the term, and of products have gotten
Speaker 2: cost or costs more instead of getting cheaper. And you
Speaker 2: know what inflation is, it's still a sticky three percent.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I don't think we all feel it too.
Speaker 2: Gas of the pump is not near two dollars a gallon.
Speaker 2: It's the well above two dollars a gallon, at least
Speaker 2: the last time I got it. And while it's certainly
Speaker 2: not you know, three four five dollars a gallon, certainly
Speaker 2: everything feels like it costs more. It's not just beef,
Speaker 2: it's dozens of products have gotten way more expensive. And
Speaker 2: when he says groceries are down, other than beef, everything's down, down, down.
Speaker 2: We've had much lower prices like he can wish it.
Speaker 2: I don't think he's in the grocery store like like
Speaker 2: we always got out there doing his shopping like President
Speaker 2: Bush forty one no idea what a cost of a
Speaker 2: gall of milk cost? Trump does either. But you can
Speaker 2: keep talking about how the prices are done. But if
Speaker 2: that were true, even if you're the most diehard MAGA
Speaker 2: person saying that you're I'm the part of the media
Speaker 2: lives or whatever, Hey, great, have at it. But I
Speaker 2: know when I grow the grocery stort craps more expensive,
Speaker 2: and it is for you too. But even that test
Speaker 2: is okay. If the prices are down as he's climbing,
Speaker 2: why does he want to give all of us a
Speaker 2: two thousand dollars check? If the prices are down, you
Speaker 2: don't need a two thousand dollars check. That seems like
Speaker 2: to be the easiest, most basic test for all of us. Now,
Speaker 2: you may be a huge Trump fan and flying the
Speaker 2: flag and all that, know, your freak flag and all
Speaker 2: that stuff. Hey have at it, But you know, I
Speaker 2: think you can even admits like, yeah, this is not
Speaker 2: working out as expected. It's going to take a lot
Speaker 2: longer to see the effects of tariffs. And if the
Speaker 2: Supreme Court strikes it down, then I think that gives
Speaker 2: a mample cover. For sure, we'll get a news update
Speaker 2: in check the traffic, weather and all that going on
Speaker 2: in the world, and then want a return. Sarah's here
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Speaker 2: bank and Joe Burrow at a crossroads here will he
Speaker 2: play or won't he?
Speaker 1: When?
Speaker 2: Will he play? Should he play? Should he not play?
Speaker 2: What the hell is going on down there? She's next
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Speaker 10: Good morning, I am happy today?
Speaker 2: Is that I'm a snort? That the cracking of Burrow's toe?
Speaker 2: That just you?
Speaker 10: Did you listen to that pressor on Monday?
Speaker 2: Sarah's Snort Report? Hi, good morning, what's going on, sporty?
Speaker 10: I'm feeling optimistic, Not because the Bengals got a new defense.
Speaker 1: I just like.
Speaker 2: In the bye week we got hold.
Speaker 10: Yeah, we got a whole new defense.
Speaker 2: I went under Jeff Wiler.
Speaker 10: And the things that money can buy.
Speaker 2: So it's too you're such a dead god.
Speaker 10: But I do like how I do like how tough
Speaker 10: of a guy that Joe Burrow is. He wasn't supposed
Speaker 10: to be back until like mid December. I was shocked.
Speaker 10: It was like seeing somebody come back from the dead.
Speaker 10: I'm like, who's this guy? You know that nobody was
Speaker 10: expecting him to walk through those doors on Monday afternoon
Speaker 10: and shock the world.
Speaker 2: All I know is I had a complete tendon rupture
Speaker 2: in my foot, and I'm thirty years older and I
Speaker 2: went out there playing football eight I was back in five.
Speaker 10: Oh way. You don't do anything physical like Joe Burrow,
Speaker 10: I am, what a throwing.
Speaker 2: A footballing up the worst, climbing up ladders?
Speaker 10: Yeah, but are you getting knocked down like Joe?
Speaker 2: I am? You got to turn the circuit off, you know.
Speaker 10: But on Monday, during that press conference, he had talked
Speaker 10: more about his injury. The Bengals media had asked about
Speaker 10: that day. I'm like, why are we going back to
Speaker 10: that day? But yeah, week two, he goes, look my
Speaker 10: toe gout. Listen to us. He said, my toe got
Speaker 10: stuck in the turf and then it got bent way
Speaker 10: too far back.
Speaker 2: You well, what do you think is going to happen?
Speaker 10: That's turf though, I know, I know, but just hearing
Speaker 10: and talking about it and then really thinking about it.
Speaker 10: I was there in the end zone at that game
Speaker 10: and I watched him get, you know, picked up by
Speaker 10: the two dudes. Right, I'm like, okay, yeah, that's pretty bad.
Speaker 2: Your whole foot laying like that.
Speaker 10: Yes, it's such a small body part, but such a
Speaker 10: big pain. Correct, But it is incredible that not even
Speaker 10: sixty days later, he's able to come back to practice.
Speaker 10: Granted it's limited, He's not going to be starting this weekend.
Speaker 10: Coach Taylor did confirm that. But in your opinion, I.
Speaker 2: Know, I think you are you going to go to
Speaker 2: the playoffs. This season is a playoffield is not a.
Speaker 10: Playoff team, This is not a play off defense.
Speaker 2: Why would you risk? I know, well, people buy tickets
Speaker 2: and the bus to look if you're serious about winning
Speaker 2: much I don't know they talk about it, but are
Speaker 2: you that serious about winning a championship?
Speaker 10: The offensive?
Speaker 2: How do you protect? You know, you got to protect
Speaker 2: your your franchise quarterback. You build around him. The defense
Speaker 2: is way too bad.
Speaker 10: To his butt. They've been doing just fine with Joff Laco.
Speaker 10: Do you think that even if Joe Burrow, because it's
Speaker 10: just a rumor that he could potentially come back for
Speaker 10: that Thanksgiving primetime game in Baltimore against the Raven idea.
Speaker 10: You think it's bad.
Speaker 2: I think it's a bad idea.
Speaker 10: This is not a playoff team, So why bring your
Speaker 10: guide back? Now? Granted, I think Joe Burrow has a
Speaker 10: lot of power over the that's the problem over the
Speaker 10: front office.
Speaker 2: Is there anyone there that has the stones to tell
Speaker 2: Joe Burrow now?
Speaker 10: I don't think so. I think he's the most powerful
Speaker 10: person with this organization. And that's going to look really
Speaker 10: sexy too. You got Joe Burrow versus Lamar Jackson. Two
Speaker 10: guys have been banged up pretty much the entirety of
Speaker 10: the season, right, and that looks really good on Thanksgiving nights?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I could see a slam dunk game
Speaker 2: something like that. You come back, but what's the rush
Speaker 2: at this point?
Speaker 10: But do you need to get the revenge right now? Like,
Speaker 10: just give it the rest.
Speaker 2: Of this doing the off season at this point or
Speaker 2: give him a couple now? Again, We'll see what happens
Speaker 2: with this thing. I just I think it's well. The
Speaker 2: other issue too, is Trey Hendrickson too?
Speaker 10: Is Trey Hendrickson? I guess According to U Zach Taylor,
Speaker 10: he's likely not going to play this weekend. Mike Tomlin
Speaker 10: with the Steelers, he said, well, we're going to prepare
Speaker 10: like Trey Hendrickson as playing, so I guess it's not
Speaker 10: definite that he's not. But I mean, hey, the last
Speaker 10: time they played the Steelers, they didn't have Trey Hendrickson
Speaker 10: and they were able to beat them. So what are
Speaker 10: the chances of them getting it done again this weekend?
Speaker 2: No, I think you have a better sample size with
Speaker 2: Flacco and what he's doing. For Tomlin, but he don't
Speaker 2: trust the Steelers either. It's I don't know.
Speaker 10: They looked pretty bad over the week.
Speaker 2: They really really did.
Speaker 10: They didn't look like the first place Steelers that we've
Speaker 10: seen for the past few weeks.
Speaker 2: Soly nine wins gets it done in the division. But
Speaker 2: do the Bengals have nine wins in I think it's legitimate,
Speaker 2: even with Burrow in there.
Speaker 10: Yeah, going into this weekend after the bye, they're at
Speaker 10: three and six, and if they can beat the Steelers,
Speaker 10: they'll be three and zero in the division and they
Speaker 10: still have a chance to win the AFC North. There
Speaker 10: are still eight games left in the season, plenty of
Speaker 10: opportunities now, granted, I want to stay optimistic, but the
Speaker 10: schedule is a little tough. But hey, you can go
Speaker 10: and beat the Steelers, and then you got the Patriots
Speaker 10: at home. And then this is where I get a
Speaker 10: little nervous. You got that primetime game against the Ravens.
Speaker 10: You got to play the Bills, you got to come
Speaker 10: back and play the Ravens. I don't know, It's all
Speaker 10: up in the air, and I think every weekend this
Speaker 10: team continues to surprise me. You just really never know
Speaker 10: what you're gonna get. You really don't.
Speaker 2: I'm good.
Speaker 10: Like you look at the wins that they've gotten, like, okay,
Speaker 10: they've I'm sorry, they've gotten the losses with you know,
Speaker 10: scoring thirty three points, thirty eight points, forty one points,
Speaker 10: you would think, oh, those are clearly winning points right there.
Speaker 4: Yep.
Speaker 10: It just goes to show you how important a really
Speaker 10: great defense is. And they didn't do anything. They didn't
Speaker 10: do anything with the defense.
Speaker 2: You think they tag Hendrickson and probably see I'm going
Speaker 2: Trey Hendrickson.
Speaker 10: I'm tired of the Trey Hendrickson drama. I'm so tired
Speaker 10: of it. Thirty one he SAIDs more than he plays too.
Speaker 10: I'm just sick of it. It's like, Okay, he's a
Speaker 10: really nice guy. That's great.
Speaker 2: He's not helping any nice guys the Bengals need. We've
Speaker 2: had like a litany of nice guys. John Kittings such
Speaker 2: a nice guy. He rings you got with John Kittens always.
Speaker 10: The nice guys.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I like that.
Speaker 10: We're seeing some of these guys get pissed off too.
Speaker 10: I mean, after that loss last weekend, before the bye,
Speaker 10: you know, Jamar Chase is like, come on, man, I
Speaker 10: just want to stop. Let's go get fired up. I
Speaker 10: want to see a fired up Zach Taylor.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I I had no idea what to
Speaker 2: expect on Sunday. I really don't. It's a coin.
Speaker 10: Toss, no idea. My dad texts me the other day,
Speaker 10: he goes, what do you think is gonna happen on Sunday?
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 10: I don't no clue. He's like, you have a score prediction? Nope,
Speaker 10: sure don't.
Speaker 2: Couldn't tell you, Nope, couldn't tell you what. No team
Speaker 2: shows up, what defense shows about that.
Speaker 10: They could score fifty five points, fifty six fifty five.
Speaker 10: It's a little bit different feels again, I really really
Speaker 10: want to be optimistic. I feel like if they can
Speaker 10: go and beat the Steelers this weekend, they really can
Speaker 10: do it. This would turn things around.
Speaker 2: Don't you think that would make Joe's to feel a
Speaker 2: lot better.
Speaker 10: Joe's like, hmmmm, well, And it's really interesting to hear
Speaker 10: Joe Burrow talk about Joe Flacco and kind of learning
Speaker 10: from this guy. I mean, he's been in the locker room,
Speaker 10: he's been at the practices, he's been at the meetings,
Speaker 10: and he goes. I'm really entertained by Joe Flacco. I
Speaker 10: like watching him play. I'm learning a lot from him.
Speaker 10: He's a really nice guy and knows this stuff. So
Speaker 10: Joe's got a lot of respect for Joe. I got
Speaker 10: two good jos that we're working with here.
Speaker 4: Good.
Speaker 10: I think he's your backup too, Jo, Joe Burrow is, yes,
Speaker 10: And I think Joe Flacco is a really good fit
Speaker 10: with this town too. He's out in the city like,
Speaker 10: he's mingling with people. He's really likable.
Speaker 2: I don't care if you're I don't care if you're
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers. As long as you're winning football games. I
Speaker 2: don't care if you're a nice guy.
Speaker 10: What I love most about him is that he connecting
Speaker 10: with Jamar and he's connecting with Tea and he's getting
Speaker 10: stuff done. He's getting stuff done for the offense.
Speaker 2: The defense, that's.
Speaker 10: Your issue, and it's the same defense every year.
Speaker 2: Just rest show. There's no reason to bring Burrow back
Speaker 2: into this mess.
Speaker 10: I I just have a feeling he's hard headed and
Speaker 10: he's gonna want to get out there on Thanksgiving night
Speaker 10: and get the revenge because we know what happened the
Speaker 10: last time that he.
Speaker 2: Was in Well, I want to see who runs the team.
Speaker 2: At some point, you gotta go, look, guess, is this
Speaker 2: not in anyone's best interest to jeopardize that?
Speaker 10: And you're probably if you're the Bengals, what happened to Washington?
Speaker 10: If you're yeah, And if you're the Bengals, you're sitting
Speaker 10: there like, look, we're paying you half a billion dollars.
Speaker 10: Why don't you just take it easy and let Joe
Speaker 10: Flacco take us one.
Speaker 2: Lu's see till we get some Yeah, what else you got?
Speaker 2: But we got?
Speaker 10: Yeah? The next few weeks will be obviously very very telling.
Speaker 10: Let's see what else do we have. I don't know
Speaker 10: they're going to get back to practice today. They'll be
Speaker 10: on the road on Saturday. Let's switch to Reds. Just
Speaker 10: one hundred and thirty four days until Red's opening.
Speaker 2: Cotten a Tonner Reds open. How about Tito second place?
Speaker 4: For Man?
Speaker 10: That's ridiculous, stupid Brewers. I think it's fixed. You should
Speaker 10: have gotten the first place.
Speaker 2: I mean, when's the last time that has been Brea
Speaker 2: considered for Cincinnati Reds fans?
Speaker 10: Ever, I don't think that's ever happened. Actually, I'm a
Speaker 10: Tito stan I love this dude.
Speaker 2: Doesn't mean I mean he got the most out of
Speaker 2: this team you could get.
Speaker 10: He still got into the playoffs. He said, look, you
Speaker 10: got a sample of the champagne. Think of that moment,
Speaker 10: think of that feeling. Taste the champagne again, and let's
Speaker 10: go a lot further with it.
Speaker 2: Well, and it's a lot on that front. That's a
Speaker 2: lot of Nikkral more than there's anybody else.
Speaker 10: Absolutely, it is lots of pressure there. What do you
Speaker 10: think about the rumors with trading Hunter Green? That's been
Speaker 10: like the biggest where these come from from beat writers
Speaker 10: got nothing better? They like the clicks.
Speaker 2: It's like the NFL network, right, NFL Network, What do
Speaker 2: you do after the Super Bowl? We have, we go
Speaker 2: to lists, we make a list immediately content and that's
Speaker 2: that's the game.
Speaker 10: And you know what's trending. And obviously Hunter Green not
Speaker 10: able to get it done in the playoffs and people
Speaker 10: are like, well, should we just trade him because he
Speaker 10: can't handle postseason baseball and he melts down on the mound.
Speaker 2: It was a very small sample to get one game,
Speaker 2: and I was like, damn against the Dodgers the World Series,
Speaker 2: champing brain surgery here.
Speaker 10: I'm still glad that the Dodgers got it done.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wanted the Jason, but that's I know.
Speaker 10: But it's like, if you're gonna lose, you know, like
Speaker 10: I said, I'm a salty Reds fan. I'm like, hey,
Speaker 10: if you're gonna lose, it might as well be to
Speaker 10: the World Series.
Speaker 2: Chance say this, there's something good news coming is the
Speaker 2: fact that a Reds Fest is back.
Speaker 10: That's what I was just going to talk about. Is
Speaker 10: Reds Fest officially back at the brand new Are we
Speaker 10: calling it the Duke Energy? You can go you can
Speaker 10: still Duke Energy. Okay, this is going to be the
Speaker 10: first event happening at this big convention center, not in
Speaker 10: December though usually this is like a first weekend of
Speaker 10: December sort of thing, Friday January sixteenth and then Saturday
Speaker 10: January seventeenth, So they've got all the details on reds
Speaker 10: dot com slash Reds Fest took last year off, so
Speaker 10: that way, that way they could get this whole thing
Speaker 10: done and reconstructed. But yeah, I'm excited about this. I
Speaker 10: love this event.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's always fun to see, especially if the
Speaker 2: year off it's like a little and then new convention.
Speaker 10: Yeah, it kind of gets too excited. It's going to
Speaker 10: be the month before pitchers and catchers report, which music
Speaker 10: to my ears, I mean just a month out from that.
Speaker 10: Really once you're.
Speaker 2: Quickly looking for we just turned the clocks last weekend
Speaker 2: and now we're already looking forward to to turn it
Speaker 2: back to where they were.
Speaker 10: Dude, I've already started blanning my trip to Arizona. I'm like,
Speaker 10: let's go.
Speaker 2: The best time with your.
Speaker 10: Baseball season is absolutely the best.
Speaker 2: Yeah, rubber than Joe's toe at this point.
Speaker 10: Oh what, it's always a toe something that we should
Speaker 10: be really excited about. F C Cincinnati Hell is very
Speaker 10: real for the Columbus crew. That match on Saturday night
Speaker 10: was awesome. The last thirty minutes.
Speaker 2: The best act in town right now when it comes
Speaker 2: to playoff championship level. I mean, they shook the monkey
Speaker 2: after back was great, amazing. I've talked to Tommy G.
Speaker 10: You did a great His call was awesome. That's all
Speaker 10: over social media. That was trending, and I love that
Speaker 10: he adds those videos.
Speaker 2: The Spanish call good yeah, which is a thriller inside. Nah.
Speaker 2: But I mean, you know, if you're not into that stuff,
Speaker 2: at least maybe try to watch a playoff game somewhere.
Speaker 2: I think you kind of get into because at the
Speaker 2: pace of the game, it was incredible. It was a
Speaker 2: nail bite, it was a very exciting.
Speaker 10: It was so good. Lots of defense for that first half.
Speaker 10: But yeah, the last thirty minutes gave us everything that
Speaker 10: we needed. And hey, if you want to get like
Speaker 10: your sports, your since e sports Phil in one day.
Speaker 10: The next Bengals home game is going to be against
Speaker 10: the Patriots at one o'clock. Then you've got FC Cincinnati
Speaker 10: hosting Miami at five o'clock, and it's a blue out,
Speaker 10: so you're going to go from orange and black to blue.
Speaker 10: This could be a really great day for Cincinnati, and
Speaker 10: I want to believe that it's going to be awesome.
Speaker 10: I want to believe we can go to and O
Speaker 10: that day on the twenty third. All right, good, so yeah,
Speaker 10: lots of good stuff to look for.
Speaker 2: It's a great look for somebody get shot.
Speaker 10: Well, no, why would you say that. I wasn't even
Speaker 10: thinking about that. You are now, you know I go
Speaker 10: to these games. I'm like, that is the last thing
Speaker 10: that's on my mind. Worried about these guys scoring points,
Speaker 10: the defense doing their job. I don't want to defend
Speaker 10: myself from a bullet.
Speaker 2: Well, they try to downplay that too, a little bitter
Speaker 2: and some of the.
Speaker 10: Crimes, you're ridiculous.
Speaker 2: Also going on, like Willie because he's coming up in
Speaker 2: a few minutes. Heirs know. That's like Gona, It's like
Speaker 2: going to Venezuela.
Speaker 10: Also going on this weekend. On Friday night. On Friday Night,
Speaker 10: go downtown and support your Cincinnati Cyclones. Puck drop at
Speaker 10: seven thirty. It's military Appreciation night. So they're doing like
Speaker 10: a really cool camo hat giveaway. It's five to one,
Speaker 10: three nights. So you got five dollars craft drafts, one
Speaker 10: dollar popcorns, three dollar burgers. Well, they have to do
Speaker 10: it because that's the next home game that they have.
Speaker 10: They're out of town. They actually have a they had
Speaker 10: a road game today at ten thirty in the morning.
Speaker 10: It's like their kids field trip day.
Speaker 2: Oh, kids day, kids day.
Speaker 10: Yeah, on the road they do the kids field trip
Speaker 10: day here next Tuesday.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I love that when they do like the little
Speaker 2: day game for the kids.
Speaker 10: It's pretty cool. It's fun. They got like fun activities
Speaker 10: up on the new uh scoreboard sound right right?
Speaker 2: And dollar beer's too, fith kids, So.
Speaker 10: It's good dollar everyone's having fun.
Speaker 2: Yes, good time. Sarah Lisa's snort reported things sports related.
Speaker 2: You're caught up in this a midweek she is on
Speaker 2: the kid Christial Mornings on one O two seven e
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Speaker 10: Of course, I think I got everything out.
Speaker 2: You got everything in there, Joe fcc jo.
Speaker 10: Cyclones one hundred and thirty four days still opening day.
Speaker 2: What a time you get cringey about toes that I noticed.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I don't like the tones.
Speaker 1: You do too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, how much money you make that up for your
Speaker 2: only fans? I was, I was, she gets all these perverse.
Speaker 10: Picks right now.
Speaker 2: If you can give Lisa money.
Speaker 10: To actually need a bed, A picture how are you
Speaker 10: get turned on by that freak? I don't understand these
Speaker 10: feet freaks. Yeah, but for Joe's toe, we're very invested. Yeah,
Speaker 10: I don't want to look at it, but I'm still
Speaker 10: invested a topic. We need one hundred percent chot on
Speaker 10: the toe.
Speaker 2: Toe Burrow then asked hairy toeh, thanks again, appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Willie's on the way. Coming up next. Seven hundred W. Dow, Cincinnati,