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Speaker 1: Don't want to be an American idiot.

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Speaker 2: It's a Scott Flung show on seven hundred WLW. We're

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Speaker 2: going to jump right into this one. This it took

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Speaker 2: me and I think a lot of people by surprise.

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Speaker 2: So remember that new intoxicating Hemp law that the state

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Speaker 2: and okay, that was good. And then the wine comes

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Speaker 2: in ninety day ban he shuts it down to protect

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Speaker 2: the children, and then it's back on again following a

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Speaker 2: court injunction. Then a finally new legislation comes down from

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Speaker 2: the Ohio General Assembly. It fixes the issue. And then

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Speaker 2: news broke literally just the other day of a day

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Speaker 2: because of Congress in Ohio's new intoxicating hemp laws and

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Speaker 2: jeopardy after the Senate block ran Paul's amendment. And you

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Speaker 2: heard some of that audio there and news helping makes

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Speaker 2: sense of it this morning. Is the architect of Ohio's

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Speaker 2: law in this and that would be State Senator Steve

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Speaker 2: Hoffman from Tip City.

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Speaker 3: Welcome, good morning, Good morning. I hope you're doing well.

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Speaker 2: I'd be doing better if we had an answer to this.

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Speaker 2: Were you caught off guard by this as well?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean we were, you know, the House after

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Speaker 3: the injunction and you know, the House acted on the

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Speaker 3: Lady six. We didn't agree on some things. So we

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Speaker 3: were preparing for conference committee and you know named the

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Speaker 3: chairman of the Conference Committee, and we're setting you know,

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Speaker 3: some times to get together and all of a sudden

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and THHU, THC and fused beverages are the fastest

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Speaker 2: growing segment when it comes to adult drinks. I mean

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Speaker 2: the craft beer movement. I just saw the Business Curves

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Speaker 2: and now it's all THC product. People go, adults going

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Speaker 2: Dwin's ban and that was in Jeffary. The court steps

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Speaker 2: in and fortunately you led legislation to fix this thing

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Speaker 2: to allow that to be sold and it seems to

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Speaker 2: now the United States government's getting often they want to

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Speaker 2: go back to the way it was before and completely

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Speaker 2: banning this stuff. And it's all behind Mitch McConnell, who

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Speaker 2: is leading the restrictions on this one. What why now,

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Speaker 2: you know?

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Speaker 3: I think going back to twenty eighteen to the Farm

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Speaker 3: Bill that legalized HAMP and then with my bill in Ohio,

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Speaker 3: we followed very quickly on HAMP and we were all

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Speaker 3: looking at industrial hemp on what you could do with

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Speaker 3: looking at this. We knew that it was a very

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Speaker 3: like this. And I think, you know, Mitch McConnell, who

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Speaker 3: you know, it's a big industry in Kentucky, was pushing

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Speaker 3: for it, and he realizes that there's some bad actors

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Speaker 3: and we should have done things differently in twenty eighteen.

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to say we shouldn't have outlawed it.

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Speaker 3: We should have put some regulations in to start with.

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Speaker 4: We didn't.

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Speaker 3: And now I think it's kind of going to the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because the hemp industry is saying that this basically

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Speaker 2: And that twenty eight billion is just a tip of

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Speaker 2: number of years because people are liking the thh in

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Speaker 2: it has the same effect. And I'm not sure what's

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Speaker 2: driving Mitch McConnell on this one, because he's worried about

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Speaker 2: the children. But we're back to that argument again that

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Speaker 2: Governor DeWine used in order to put leverage on the

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Speaker 2: General Assembly, which I understood the politics of that. I

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Speaker 2: hate when politicians use it to protect the children. But

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Speaker 2: Mitch McConnell's doing that again. Is this headed the same way.

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Speaker 2: Eventually we'll come up with a compromise here and this

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Speaker 3: You know, I can't tell you for sure now. I mean,

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Speaker 4: You know, keep it.

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Speaker 3: Twenty one and over and things like that said, highly

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Speaker 3: And that was the path that we were going down

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Speaker 3: if there's a path to good regulations that the industry

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Speaker 2: The legislation, would you know, Ohio's legs, the one you

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Speaker 2: propose is five milligrams TC beverage and barsarus five milligrams.

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Speaker 2: A new federal structure of KAMMA wants is point four

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Speaker 2: and so that would eliminate the entire sector before it

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Speaker 2: even launches. And at this point, you know, what do

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Speaker 3: You're right? I mean it would devastate the industry. I mean,

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Speaker 3: so you know, if you have derive your THHD from hemp,

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 3: Will the industry instead turn to legal marijuana processors and

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Speaker 3: get their THHD to infuse their beverages with THD for marijuana.

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Speaker 3: And that then makes a whole bunch of other regulations,

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Speaker 3: because now it's marijuana which legally, and this is we've

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Speaker 3: talked before, this is stupid. You can't take that across

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Speaker 3: it's okay that the Feds just turn a blind high

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Speaker 3: to it in every state. Right, So, I mean that's

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Speaker 3: the possibility for the industry.

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Speaker 2: Should the President just get in and fix this? I

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Speaker 2: know he at times. I mean it's hard to tell

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Speaker 2: because he's pretty good at talking out of both sides

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Speaker 2: with this, couldn't he just say, hey, this is dumb,

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Speaker 2: knock it off.

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Speaker 3: I guess through the FDA he could do something. You

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Speaker 3: know he's talked about, Yes, you know marijuana, you know,

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Speaker 3: moving it from scheduled one, and that would do a

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Speaker 4: It would give us the ability to do.

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Speaker 3: Research and different things like that. So you're right, it's

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Speaker 3: hard to tell what he's thinking then what direction he's

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Speaker 2: You see, there's all these new businesses going in right

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Speaker 2: fuse drinks. Is that's what the public wants. They like it,

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Speaker 2: and they want more of it, and you give the

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Speaker 2: how it works in America. Least it should anyway. But

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Speaker 2: at this point, because we're still relatively new at this

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Speaker 2: whole process, Steve Hoffman, why would any business invest in

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Speaker 2: the whole process of licensing and compliance and testing and

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Speaker 3: It seems that way, you know that my understanding. You know,

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Speaker 3: if the House and the Senate finally passed this that

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Speaker 3: you know, at the end of the day, though, which

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Speaker 3: looks like it it gives a one year ramp, maybe

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Speaker 3: it won't be illegal for one year. So you know, basically,

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Speaker 3: you need to sell whatever product you have so that

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Speaker 3: not going to keep making more and more knowing that

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Speaker 2: To be able to Yeah, it seems like Mitch McConnell

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Speaker 2: again both sides of your mouth is they want states

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Speaker 2: rights and should leave it up to the states, except

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Speaker 2: for something like this, Why not just say, hey, plenty

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Speaker 2: of states have an acted regulation Ohio included to regulate

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Speaker 2: this stuff. Why don't we just defer to them.

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Speaker 3: You know, that's certainly a possibility. I mean, we've done that.

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Speaker 3: You know with marijuana. There's a you know a lot

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Speaker 3: of states with medical, there's there's many of them with recreational,

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Speaker 3: like Ohio, and there's still some like Utah that hey,

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Speaker 3: we just don't want.

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Speaker 4: This at all.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, you could leave it up to the state.

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Speaker 3: But if you you know, you look at the Rand

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Speaker 3: Paul Amendment the other the other night. You know, he

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Speaker 3: was trying to save the industry in Kentucky in particular,

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Speaker 3: that was voted down about seventy five twenty five. So

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Speaker 3: there's a large group in the US Senate. You know,

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Speaker 3: maybe maybe the US House doesn't concur or at least

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Speaker 2: He's Ohio Senator Steve Hoffman out of justice, Tip City.

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Speaker 2: It's it's we're back to this again. So we have

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Speaker 2: our new intoxicating HEMP law, and that's the beverages that

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Speaker 2: we enjoy edibles and cheers and smoke and stuff like that.

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Speaker 2: Ape but largely this is about the THHD and fused

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Speaker 2: right now. There's a huge demand for these products and

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Speaker 2: there were legal to sell. Then it became briefly legal,

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Speaker 2: this and so you can enjoy those beverages now in

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Speaker 2: salom and it's great for industry, it's great for consumers

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Speaker 2: kids as well it should be. But now the federal

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Speaker 2: government stepped in under the auspices of Mitch McConnell Kentucky,

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Speaker 2: who said that using the the wine argument, this is

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Speaker 2: we're selling intoxicating products and it may undermine all the

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Speaker 2: you know, I think it was Senate Bill fifty six

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Speaker 2: we're talking about here that you implemented. So should you

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Speaker 3: Well, I think here in Ohio, knowing the governor, of

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Speaker 3: the President and the Speaker, they want something done about

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Speaker 3: the bad stuff. They wanted it done, you know, before

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Speaker 3: summer break. Now it's for Thanksgiving. So I think we're

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Speaker 3: there in the gas stations and selling the kids. How

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Speaker 3: far we go I think is still to be determined.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Do you also think that this is maybe some

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Speaker 2: I don't know, some sort of power struggle here, because well,

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Speaker 2: the opposing forces here are both Kentucky senators. You've got

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Speaker 2: McConnell versus Paul, and we know their positions on this thing.

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Speaker 2: Is the rest of the country in Ohio just getting

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Speaker 2: caught up in this? Do you think there's something like

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Speaker 2: coincidental they're both from Kentucky.

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Speaker 3: I think it's probably quincident all. I think it's also

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Speaker 3: part that Mitch mcconnald lamed up on his way out,

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Speaker 3: and you know, maybe this is, you know, one of

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Speaker 3: You know, sometimes you just scratch your head, don't you really?

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Speaker 2: Do You really do other stuff to worry about. All right,

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Speaker 2: I pick your poison, as it were. But this is

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Speaker 2: All the best, Steve, thanks for joining.

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Speaker 3: You take care, have a good day.

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Speaker 2: You too, Take care State Center or Steve Huffman on

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Speaker 2: the Scotslan Show this morning on seven hundred W. They'vet

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Speaker 2: like an energy drink, for example, which, by the way,

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Speaker 2: miss and it's not good. Now we've got hydraulics. Man,

434
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Speaker 2: get some get some heavy equipment involved, you know me,

435
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Speaker 2: I like construction. Get some heavy equipment involved in here.

436
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Speaker 2: Take care of the problem. And part of the problem

437
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Speaker 2: here though again with the death penalty. Nineteen ninety is

438
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Speaker 2: when he was convicted. It's twenty twenty five. That's the

439
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Speaker 2: problem with all of this. But yeah, I definitely would

440
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Speaker 2: go in lethal injection, our extracution. I think, yeah, you

441
00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:46,719
Speaker 2: heard some stories look back in the day where they

442
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Speaker 2: really didn't go quietly and there may be some suffering.

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Speaker 2: They may still be alive afterwards. Okay, but we have

444
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Speaker 2: better technology now, that's the best we had at the time.

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Speaker 2: Old sparky LEAVELD injection seems to be the best way

446
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Speaker 2: to do. But now we even steal full pain. Okay, fine,

447
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Speaker 2: I say hydraulic press, thirty ton high product, the stuff

448
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Speaker 2: that they make, you know, car panels out of punches,

449
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Speaker 2: the metal done that, something like that. And if you're

450
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Speaker 2: in that industry, you know you're probably far stronger things

451
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Speaker 2: out there you could do to someone to take them out.

452
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Speaker 2: We have a lot of options available for us. It's like,

453
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Speaker 2: how just how nasty do we want to get though? Yeah,

454
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Speaker 2: the idea squashing somebody's head like a like a grape

455
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Speaker 2: probably left to appealing to a lot of folks. Quite honest,

456
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Speaker 2: I think that would be the way to go. You're

457
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Speaker 2: not gonna feel anything after that. It's good. We're just

458
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Speaker 2: smashing you down like a used car. Kind of gross,

459
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Speaker 2: I know. But if we're worried about pain and suffering

460
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Speaker 2: and the constitution cruel and unusual, it may be unusual,

461
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Speaker 2: but that is not cruel. That is a quick way

462
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Speaker 2: to end somebody right there who has it coming? In

463
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Speaker 2: this case, that's it coming. Now we're getting choices on

464
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Speaker 2: they want to go. I don't get it. This is

465
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Speaker 2: a uh you know, Supreme Court has a lot going on.

466
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Speaker 2: Later on the show. This morning. By the way, it's

467
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Speaker 2: the Skotis v. Potus battle, and the Supreme Court is

468
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Speaker 2: debating Trump's tariffs and whether or not they are indeed attacks.

469
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Speaker 2: And as you may recall from grade school, that only

470
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Speaker 2: Congress can lovy attacks. That is the only branch of

471
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Speaker 2: government that can enact attacks would be Congress. And so

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Speaker 2: how do terrorists work? Is it attack? Well, Trump's the

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Speaker 2: solictener General as a matter of fact admitted that it's

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Speaker 2: an attack, so kind of underminds the argument, and Cavanaugh

475
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Speaker 2: and Coby Barrett said that it seemed to indicate that

476
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Speaker 2: some questions about that and seem to lean towards it

477
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Speaker 2: and read the tea leaves at these things. And sometimes

478
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Speaker 2: it's true sometimes that I love how everyone says, well,

479
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Speaker 2: they're just going to rule straight with Trump, or they're

480
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Speaker 2: gonna res straight with Biden. Then they never do. They

481
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Speaker 2: wind up doing their own thing, and confound even the

482
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Speaker 2: people who appointed them. Sometimes is the case, because you

483
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Speaker 2: never know which way the whole court's going to go.

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Speaker 2: So this will be interesting, you know, whether or not

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Speaker 2: the tariffs are actually legal or not. And if you

486
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Speaker 2: undo them, what does that look like? So it's a

487
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Speaker 2: whole thing anyway, we'll get into that at eleven oh

488
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Speaker 2: six today and what that actually means. But in the

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Speaker 2: case of the Supreme Court hearing Kim Davis's petition, she

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Speaker 2: remember Kim David being in Kentucky. So in twenty fifteen

491
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Speaker 2: was the same sex marriage issue. And this is the

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Speaker 2: woman and as I believe the clerk of court, she

493
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Speaker 2: was refused to issue a marriage license to a gay

494
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Speaker 2: couple in Kentucky saying it violates your religious beliefs. And

495
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Speaker 2: that led the lawsuits and I think the couple got

496
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Speaker 2: like one hundred thousand dollars and the Circuit Court upheld

497
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Speaker 2: it and now it's been kicked up to the Supreme Court.

498
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Speaker 2: That the argument, her argument is that it has no

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Speaker 2: constitual basis and it conflicted with her religious beliefs. And

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Speaker 2: you know, I always look at that and go, I

501
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Speaker 2: don't know, if there's something that conflicts with your personal beliefs,

502
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Speaker 2: then maybe it's time to either get someone else to

503
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Speaker 2: do that or just step aside and go I can

504
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Speaker 2: no longer do this job. And there's nothing there's nothing

505
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Speaker 2: wrong with that. You admire someone for standing by their

506
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Speaker 2: deeply held religious beliefs, But how much is reasonable accommodation

507
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Speaker 2: for someone like that. And I know, if you're on

508
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Speaker 2: the far right, if you're goods and conservative, do you

509
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Speaker 2: think this is the most important case of all time.

510
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Speaker 2: But you know, then you look at and go, okay, well,

511
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Speaker 2: she's these are her deeply held religious beliefs. But she's

512
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Speaker 2: been married what at the time anyway, four times to

513
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Speaker 2: three husbands, as I recall, and three of them mented

514
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Speaker 2: a divorce, and she had two daughters from the first

515
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Speaker 2: one got remarried and there was a chain of divorces there.

516
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Speaker 2: And you know, the argument is that gay marriage undermines

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Speaker 2: traditional marriage. And why there's an argument right there. I'm

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Speaker 2: sure there's someone who's more conservative Christian than she is

519
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Speaker 2: that doesn't like Kim Davis because she has been married

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Speaker 2: so many times, married and divorced, which in the eyes

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Speaker 2: of many Christians is a no go Catholics, for example.

522
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Speaker 2: So you know, if you're a Catholic that worked with her,

523
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Speaker 2: I just don't understand how you couldn't be offended by that.

524
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Speaker 2: And what about their religious beliefs. I don't know where

525
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Speaker 2: does it end. The Saint is sainct dear marriage thing,

526
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Speaker 2: I mean, marriage has become it's getting stronger. I think

527
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Speaker 2: the numbers are maybe starting to go the other way,

528
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Speaker 2: but as people wait to get married much later in

529
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Speaker 2: life than previously. But your whole sanctity of marriage argument

530
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Speaker 2: is arguable. What does that actually mean? But you know

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Speaker 2: the other element of this thing two is that we

532
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Speaker 2: had what there's a pretty good fact pattern here since

533
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Speaker 2: and it's something like three hundred thousand same sex couples

534
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Speaker 2: were married after this and have been married after this.

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Speaker 2: And you know, you look at the boost to local

536
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Speaker 2: economies just making life easier for people. Basically, same sex

537
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Speaker 2: households and states of legal marriage have higher earnings, hire

538
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Speaker 2: its to home ownership, sexual ent hate crimes and employment

539
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Speaker 2: destrication against people like that are have declined. STD rates

540
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Speaker 2: are down. And so yeah, I mean, if you look

541
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Speaker 2: at the studies over the last twenty years since we've

542
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Speaker 2: done this, there's no evident, there's no reliable evidence, let's

543
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Speaker 2: put it that way, that there's somehow harm to the

544
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Speaker 2: general population, which was laughable to begin with. There's just

545
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Speaker 2: there's no ada. I'm sure you can do some studies

546
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Speaker 2: that may be biased, and someone likes, well, what about

547
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Speaker 2: the Look, what are the negative effects on marriage rates

548
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Speaker 2: of different sex couples and there isn't any And the

549
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Speaker 2: fact of the matter is like seven of the ten

550
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Speaker 2: Americans have no problem with it, largely good for sight.

551
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Speaker 2: Why because it's consenting adults doing consenting adult things. There's

552
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Speaker 2: no victimization of children or animals or anything like that.

553
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Speaker 2: And people have tried to throw that red hairiring out there,

554
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Speaker 2: and it's a bad comparison. It's like, no, there are

555
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Speaker 2: two people who happen to be the same sex if

556
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Speaker 2: they want to be together in marriage. I think this

557
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 2: church shouldn't recognize that that's no business with chair, unless

558
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Speaker 2: you find a church that does. But by the state, absolutely,

559
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 2: it's just better for the economics and the machineer or

560
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Speaker 2: of the United States for that to occur. And Kim

561
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 2: Davis being offended that she has to issue a license

562
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Speaker 2: and find someone else to do it or just step aside.

563
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Speaker 2: It's like when pharmacists wouldn't issue certain prescriptions, like well

564
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Speaker 2: then you okay, have someone else in the office do it,

565
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:41,880
Speaker 2: or maybe maybe the terms of the job have changed

566
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Speaker 2: and you can't do it anymore. And that's not just

567
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:48,679
Speaker 2: true for pharmacists and clerks of courts, but any job now,

568
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 2: I mean, look at AI and there are many people

569
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Speaker 2: who have been hanging on and doing jobs for a

570
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 2: long time and don't understand all this technology. And if

571
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Speaker 2: you can't, you just to go, oh, I can't send

572
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Speaker 2: people that refuse to send emails. Now I'm still say

573
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Speaker 2: faxes like it's you know, twenty ten, and you're still

574
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Speaker 2: twenty fifteen, twenty twenty, You're still doing this Like either learn,

575
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Speaker 2: you adapt, or you got to move on. That's just

576
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Speaker 2: how it is. Hate being the adult in a room,

577
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Speaker 2: but that's the way it is. At five, one, three, seven, four, nine,

578
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Speaker 2: seven thousand and eight on the Big One talk Back

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Speaker 2: iHeartRadio app to South Lebanon and Aubrey on the Scotsland

580
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Speaker 2: show High There.

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Speaker 5: Hey, I was listening to your show earlier about talking

582
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Speaker 5: about the hemp products and the politicians lobbying to and

583
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Speaker 5: I'm thinking about how much money is being spent by

584
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Speaker 5: the alcohol industry. And I did a little research when

585
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Speaker 5: I got home, and I'm looking at the list of

586
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:37,439
Speaker 5: our alcohol industry lobbyists that have spent money in the

587
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Speaker 5: last quarter to get cannabis products, cannabis drinks off the shelves,

588
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Speaker 5: and I'm just going to read them out to you.

589
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Speaker 5: Anheuser Busch, Bacardi Beer Institute, Desill Spirits Council, Moat Hennessy,

590
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Speaker 5: National Beer Wholesalers Association, Wine and Spirits Wholesalers of America.

591
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Speaker 5: So there's a lot of money, deep pockets, old money

592
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Speaker 5: in the US that's fighting to keep these products off

593
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Speaker 5: the shelves, and I think it's going straight into the

594
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Speaker 5: politician's pockets. This is about money. This has nothing to

595
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Speaker 5: do with safety for children. This is crocodile tears. They

596
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Speaker 5: don't care about the safety of the youth. If they cared,

597
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Speaker 5: they'd be more worried about getting beer out of the

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Speaker 5: hands of sixteen year olds.

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Speaker 2: But well, I also, I mean, and that's a understanding.

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Speaker 2: I'm with you on that. It's like, Okay, do we

601
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Speaker 2: want our kids having these products? No, whether it's an

602
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Speaker 2: edible or a eight product that's harmful to them, that

603
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Speaker 2: has taching now and no one wants that. We should

604
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Speaker 2: go after the illegal sellers and the straw purchases and

605
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Speaker 2: all as well. We should, But you know, if you're

606
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Speaker 2: a law abiding adult, I know plenty of people, not myself.

607
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Speaker 2: I'm I can't say I've had enough of them. To

608
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Speaker 2: get a good sample size of what I like and

609
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Speaker 2: don't like. But people seem to really enjoy the THHD

610
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Speaker 2: infused products. And now we have senators that are debating

611
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Speaker 2: whether or not that should simply go away because of

612
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Speaker 2: what happened on a farm bill and protecting children and

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Speaker 2: the sanctimony of it all. And I will say, though,

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Speaker 2: on the other hand, I mean, I'm sure that Rand

615
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Speaker 2: Paul is influenced by that kind of money too, when

616
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Speaker 2: he seems to be very resistant to this whole thing.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, it's just Mitch McConnell.

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Speaker 5: Well, I think I know why Rand Paul isn't influence

619
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Speaker 5: I think he's more of a libertarian.

620
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Speaker 4: Yep.

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Speaker 5: I think Mitch McConnell is an old school Republican and

622
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Speaker 5: Ran Taull comes from the Iron Rand school of thought,

623
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Speaker 5: where you you more individual rights and less influenced by

624
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Speaker 5: the old school you know, government, government, nanny state.

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Speaker 2: But anyway, well, this isn't this isn't much different than

626
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Speaker 2: I was just talking about. I mentioned the you know,

627
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Speaker 2: the filler here about Kim Davis in gay marriage. I

628
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Speaker 2: just never understood the how this, how this hurts a

629
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Speaker 2: traditional marriage. You know, I've been in a traditional marriage

630
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Speaker 2: for thirty five years, and I've never once been threatened

631
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Speaker 2: because two gay people of each other and want to

632
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Speaker 2: be tied in in matrimony and maybe not recognize the

633
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Speaker 2: eyes of the church, which we shouldn't force churches to

634
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Speaker 2: do that, certainly, but you can go to the government.

635
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Speaker 2: Government should be the arbitrator that And the twenty years

636
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Speaker 2: plus we've had this, it's been better for society, not

637
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Speaker 2: worse like the people that Kim Davis claim it's going

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Speaker 2: to be. And so I government being an outside arbitrator

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00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 2: these things going now, it's a sense of adulthood and

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Speaker 2: fairness and propriety. And if it's something that is not

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Speaker 2: overly harmful, and everything we do is harmful of course

642
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Speaker 2: to us or harming others, is there not a victim

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Speaker 2: in it, you should be allowed.

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Speaker 6: To do it.

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Speaker 5: Well, you know, I don't want to get entangled in

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Speaker 5: the religion because of my religious beliefs about the marriage issues.

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Speaker 5: But I will point out my husband and I were

648
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Speaker 5: just having breakfast. Shame on Mitch McConnell for wanting the

649
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Speaker 5: federal government to step in over States rights. Right when

650
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Speaker 5: Trump in, you know, we edded the federal ban on

651
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Speaker 5: abortion and allowed states to division whether they were going

652
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Speaker 5: to permit it. Why don't we just keep it the

653
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Speaker 5: way it is? Why do we have to have a

654
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Speaker 5: federal ban on a product? Why don't we keep allow

655
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Speaker 5: the states rights? The states have determination on whether they

656
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Speaker 5: want a product on the shelves. Why have to have

657
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Speaker 5: big the big government determining what we permit.

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Speaker 2: But that's all I appreciate it. That well, thanks again

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Speaker 2: Aubrey for listening to show then South elevenon this morning

660
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Speaker 2: A five one, three, seven, four nine, seven thousand. Well,

661
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Speaker 2: it's it's part of the hypocrisy of politics. I mean,

662
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Speaker 2: at least I'm consistent with a lot of this stuff

663
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Speaker 2: is that, you know, I just I just want less government,

664
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Speaker 2: stay out of our lives. And we're in a new age,

665
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Speaker 2: and I understand that there's a you know, the new conservative,

666
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Speaker 2: new liberal movements that are going to make things worse,

667
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Speaker 2: not better in that regard. And at some point you

668
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Speaker 2: think we'd move away from that going you know, we

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Speaker 2: just need more civil libertarianism. Then we need people telling

670
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Speaker 2: us how to live our lives. You know, stat of

671
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Speaker 2: the way, let's make money, be an arbiter, be a referee.

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Speaker 2: But you know, that's a dreamline. I realize it's a

673
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Speaker 2: pipe dream and probably is. I don't know as fictitious

674
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Speaker 2: a belief as how liberals believe in utopia and that

675
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Speaker 2: can never exist, or conservatives believe that how things were

676
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Speaker 2: fifty or eighty years ago was a perfect world and

677
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Speaker 2: things are worse today. That's not true either. The reality

678
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Speaker 2: is that it seems to work better where we have

679
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Speaker 2: a divided government and a government just looks at stays

680
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Speaker 2: out our way. But of course we have everything from

681
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Speaker 2: jerrymandering to campaign finance that we're just talking about it

682
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Speaker 2: more that cloud that And look at it this way.

683
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Speaker 2: If if we had that perfect world, like a libertarian

684
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Speaker 2: world where adults can do adult things, provided there's no

685
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Speaker 2: victims in it other than yourself or the person you're

686
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Speaker 2: doing adult things with, and you're not harming the rest

687
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Speaker 2: of society, then it seems like, you know, that should

688
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Speaker 2: be the way to go. But unfortunately that takes away

689
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Speaker 2: the base, and it takes away the authority of politicians.

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Speaker 2: You know, we all bitch and moan about what our

691
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Speaker 2: favorite thing that would be carve outs and pork and

692
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Speaker 2: you know, loading up bills with I mean, look, at

693
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Speaker 2: look at to open the government. Look at some of

694
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Speaker 2: the stuff they've included in there. It has nothing to

695
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Speaker 2: do with keeping the government open. But that's how they

696
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Speaker 2: ingratiate themselves, and that's why you have set asides and

697
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:48,719
Speaker 2: carve outs for their particular constituents, and which is why

698
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 2: it is a maze of law that makes no sense.

699
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Speaker 2: If you got to rid of all that stuff, and

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Speaker 2: that is the essence of what Doze was supposed to do,

701
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 2: you would have less need to elect these people. But

702
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 2: that takes away their base, their power, and their authority.

703
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Speaker 2: And it's about them, not us, regardless of what political

704
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Speaker 2: belief you have. Anyway, let me get to a news

705
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:08,719
Speaker 2: update and more to follow after ten oh six here

706
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Speaker 2: on the Scott Sloan Show on seven hundred w do

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Speaker 2: to a council member Mark Jefferies one reelection and we

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Speaker 2: now have new curfews coming. So now they want to

709
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Speaker 2: lockdown the area on Short Vine like they did Fountain Square.

710
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Speaker 2: We have different times. It's this makes no sense at all,

711
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 2: another senseless move, and we'll try to make sense of

712
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Speaker 2: it after this on seven hundred w WT Cincinnati.

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Speaker 1: Do you want to be an American?

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Speaker 2: Scott slumback on seven hundred WLW with a shooting caught

715
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Speaker 2: on video what just last week the other week near

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Speaker 2: UC and students of course, the victims of crime there.

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Speaker 2: There After, pure Vall has paused his proposed six o'clock

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Speaker 2: fountains where a juvenile curfew to focus now on Shorten

719
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Speaker 2: Vine near you see, near the campus, and now wants

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Speaker 2: to stop juveniles. I don't know what age, but after

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Speaker 2: nine o'clock, and that's obviously tougher than the eleven o'clock

722
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Speaker 2: curfew city what and so we've got these conflicting curfews,

723
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Speaker 2: and the question is does it make sense. Mark Jefferies,

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Speaker 2: council member re elect and also sits on law in

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Speaker 2: public safety. Welcome back, Congratulations on your win.

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Speaker 7: By the way, thank you, Scott, appreciate the opportunity here.

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Speaker 2: I don't know first blush of this, I look at

728
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Speaker 2: it and go, well, number one would be it seems

729
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Speaker 2: like we've got a whole bunch of different times when

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Speaker 2: the curfew is I you need like a curfew app,

731
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Speaker 2: like a parking app, to tell you exactly what areas

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Speaker 2: you can be in at what age at this point.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, look, I've said this all along you know, I

734
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Speaker 6: spent seventeen years of TMG and marketing, and the one

735
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Speaker 6: the one thing you learn at marketing is having.

736
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Speaker 7: A consistent message.

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Speaker 6: And so if it's nine o'clock or eleven or six,

738
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Speaker 6: and which block? I mean, even in this one short

739
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Speaker 6: flying it's two blocks. So that's one concern. The other concern,

740
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Speaker 6: honestly is like, what you know, this is a problem

741
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Speaker 6: for business owners there. I've gone up to folks on

742
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Speaker 6: shortvind I met with a bunch of the businesses there.

743
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Speaker 6: We have issues. The question that I have is what.

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Speaker 7: Exactly are we solving for?

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Speaker 6: Because when we look at a lot of the incidents,

746
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Speaker 6: you know, there's one in August tenth, which was twelve

747
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Speaker 6: forty five, There's one at September thirteenth, which was one

748
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Speaker 6: thirty six people attacking three people for pizza. The one

749
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Speaker 6: on November first, first, who references, happened at two forty

750
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Speaker 6: nine am.

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Speaker 7: A lot of those are outside of even the eleven

752
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Speaker 7: pm curfew.

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Speaker 6: And so the first question I'm going to have today

754
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Speaker 6: is are we enforcing the eleven pm curfew which is

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Speaker 6: citywide there? Because those three incidents I just referenced are

756
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Speaker 6: happening after that. You know, so, you know, I think

757
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Speaker 6: we start there, you know, are we enforcing the current one,

758
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Speaker 6: what's working, what's not working? And then assessed from there

759
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Speaker 6: like what exactly are what sort of especially non violent

760
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Speaker 6: activity or what kind of activity are we trying to

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Speaker 6: prevent from nine to eleven?

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Speaker 7: So a lot of questions.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the other consideration is the fact, well,

764
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Speaker 2: are aren't the bulk of college students teenagers? And therefore

765
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Speaker 2: how do you discern which one should be there and

766
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Speaker 2: which one shouldn't? But simply by just looking at them,

767
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Speaker 2: they're all teenagers.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean presumably it's under eighteen, and you know

769
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Speaker 6: a lot of college kids are above eighteen. But you know,

770
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Speaker 6: I mean that's where it gets very complicated, right, you know,

771
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Speaker 6: you know.

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Speaker 7: They're they this is a big problem. I mean, there

773
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Speaker 7: are kids who are gathering there.

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Speaker 4: I mean.

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Speaker 6: Part of my concern though is also, and I've said

776
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Speaker 6: this so along, is Okay, you have it downtown over

777
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Speaker 6: the Rhine, and then you push it up to short mind, Well,

778
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Speaker 6: what what happens now? It's going to go over to

779
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Speaker 6: clips in there, go over to Sire, Yeah, I go

780
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Speaker 6: to you know, Westwood, Like where are they going to go?

781
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Speaker 4: Yep.

782
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Speaker 7: And you know you're in.

783
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Speaker 6: A whack a mole situation. So how are we thinking

784
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Speaker 6: about that? And you know, so a lot of questions

785
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Speaker 6: and I want to understand what the what the thought

786
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Speaker 6: process is, and what the rest.

787
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Speaker 2: I think, Mark, and that's a great point is that

788
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Speaker 2: you you know, we've seen this before. We'll do the

789
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 2: prostitution stings right and shut down a whole neighbor. They'll

790
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Speaker 2: just go to the corner up the way and do

791
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Speaker 2: it there because there's a market forarder in list kids,

792
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Speaker 2: juvenile delinquents want to be the link win and they

793
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Speaker 2: want to cause problems for everyone else. I get. So

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Speaker 2: it seems to me again we're back to that thing

795
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Speaker 2: you have no control over, would which would be the

796
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Speaker 2: judicial branch, right, and that would be judges getting tough

797
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 2: and cracking down on repeat offenders and especially those with

798
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Speaker 2: gun crimes, sending a message it's not going to be tolerated.

799
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Speaker 7: Uh.

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Speaker 4: You know.

801
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Speaker 2: The other element here too, is is what the idea,

802
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Speaker 2: ideal curfew policy would look like for the city. Any idea?

803
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I think we need to look. First

804
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 6: of all, I think it is a consistent policy and.

805
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 7: You know, look now that it's getting colder.

806
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 6: You know, typically these activities reside and colder, you know,

807
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 6: they're not as much during cold months. I think now

808
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Speaker 6: is the time to take a step back, and I've

809
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,959
Speaker 6: asked the administration to have you know, interim chief any

810
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:44,320
Speaker 6: come forward and you know, say, hey, look what has worked.

811
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Speaker 6: How many kids have we have we actually enforced the

812
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Speaker 6: curfew on? What does that look like? You know, where

813
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 6: has it been effective? Where has it not been effective.

814
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Speaker 6: Let's start there, and especially let's play it for next

815
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Speaker 6: spring and summer when the warmer months you know, typically you.

816
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:03,399
Speaker 7: Know, spike these kinds of events. So I think let's

817
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Speaker 7: start there.

818
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 6: Let's let's you know, look at this as like end

819
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Speaker 6: of year, you know, before we figure out what the

820
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Speaker 6: next plan is.

821
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Speaker 7: Let's figure out.

822
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:13,400
Speaker 6: What's working and what has been effective, and just honest

823
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:16,919
Speaker 6: assessment of you know, of you know, what we've done

824
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:18,399
Speaker 6: and things have worked.

825
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Speaker 7: Then let's pivot and do something different.

826
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Speaker 2: Mark Jeffries, the summer curfew district has been going on

827
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Speaker 2: for a while now, and you know, kids going back

828
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Speaker 2: to school. It's getting cold. I understand that, but what

829
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 2: about the feedback from that relative to this and if

830
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Speaker 2: it makes sense or not. I mean, do we have

831
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Speaker 2: facts that actually improves safety or reduce the number of

832
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Speaker 2: incidences along journals and Fountain Square.

833
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Speaker 7: I don't know. And that's part of what exactly my point.

834
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Speaker 7: We haven't had any data.

835
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Speaker 6: I mean, we're finally getting to data on the food truck,

836
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Speaker 6: you know band that they've put in place, which frankly

837
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Speaker 6: shows no real effect. And so I want to understand

838
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 6: the same thing on curfews. Okay, let's start with what's

839
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 6: been done. Is it being effective and and not? And

840
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 6: you know, we're we talked about being data driven, so

841
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Speaker 6: I think, you know, let's see what.

842
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:05,839
Speaker 4: The data does.

843
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Speaker 2: I'll be honestly, I think the food truck idea is

844
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:10,919
Speaker 2: the dumbest thing to come down that no one will

845
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 2: take credit for. I don't know who started or why

846
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 2: they thought it was a good idea. It makes absolutely

847
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 2: no sense, the first and foremost being that the number

848
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Speaker 2: one issue downtown or at least you know where we're

849
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Speaker 2: talking about where short fine is too anywhere around the

850
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Speaker 2: city's stuff from cars. What food trucks have no role

851
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Speaker 2: in this is like and especially I feel for the

852
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 2: vendors because they just want to make money, you know.

853
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 2: Closing them down at eleven o'clock and then on a

854
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Speaker 2: college area. And when I was in college and you

855
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 2: were in college, Hell, you're up till three four in

856
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:38,799
Speaker 2: the morning, right, and so who want to get some

857
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Speaker 2: food from a taco truck or a Burger truck or

858
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Speaker 2: pizza at two or three in the morning. It seems

859
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 2: like it's a great opportunity for the entrepreneur and the

860
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 2: student as well. But you've got knuckleheads out there doing

861
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Speaker 2: this kind of stuff, so we, of course we punished

862
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Speaker 2: the good people.

863
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 4: Again.

864
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 2: I think it's the dumbest policy ever quite honestly.

865
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 7: Yeah, I've never been a fan of it. I mean

866
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 7: I can see a case for you know, making food

867
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:01,840
Speaker 7: truck zones or something like that. Hey, these are the

868
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:04,800
Speaker 7: areas where food strucks can gather, where.

869
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:07,280
Speaker 6: People can you know, come and then CPD can monitor

870
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 6: at that's fine whatever. I think the focus needs to

871
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 6: be on really pushing and we're starting to do some

872
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 6: mon garages, but around security around parking lots. You know, look,

873
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 6: sixty percent of guns are stolen out of cars and

874
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 6: a lot of that is happening in parking lots, so

875
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 6: we should we need to have better lighting, better security,

876
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 6: better signage to sell people lock of your gun if

877
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 6: you have it in your car. You know, that is

878
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,319
Speaker 6: how you keep these illegal guns off the street. So

879
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 6: I want to see a lot of emphasis in that.

880
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 2: I think that's fair too. I think it may be

881
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 2: again it's punishing good people, but I get the impetus

882
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 2: here is you shouldn't be leaving your gun unlocked a car.

883
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:44,359
Speaker 2: It needs to be in a box, in a safe

884
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:46,439
Speaker 2: box or something like that. A console, a glove box

885
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 2: under the seat is not good enough. That's that's driving

886
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 2: the demand for people to break into cars. And of

887
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 2: course the element then is attracted around there, and so

888
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 2: they're going to hang out and do bad stuff when

889
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 2: they're not breaking in the cars.

890
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:00,839
Speaker 6: Yeah, and I wouldn't even say punish to the people

891
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 6: because you know, I mean, look, I'm a gun owner.

892
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 6: You can have your gun just if you have it

893
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 6: in your car. Lock it up and put it in

894
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 6: a secure stake or you know, lock it somehow to

895
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 6: make sure that if your car.

896
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:12,879
Speaker 7: Hopefully it's not broken in.

897
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:15,800
Speaker 6: You know, if we have security and we have lighting

898
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 6: and we have cameras, you know, that tends to deter

899
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 6: a lot of nefarious behavior. And so the more we

900
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 6: can do there to prevent people from getting these illegal

901
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:27,439
Speaker 6: guns in the first place is a huge start.

902
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:31,280
Speaker 2: Okay, he is council member Mark Jeffrey's Law Public Safety Committee,

903
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:34,360
Speaker 2: among others, And of course we had a rash of

904
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 2: crimes on Short find Now the mayor is going to

905
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:38,799
Speaker 2: talk to council just a little bit here as a

906
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 2: matter of fact, regarding shifting priorities when it comes to

907
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:45,280
Speaker 2: juvenile curfews from Fountain Square to Short Vine or you see,

908
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 2: and making it maybe as early as nine o'clock for

909
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:51,839
Speaker 2: unsupervised juveniles. But the problem, of course is that most

910
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:54,239
Speaker 2: of the people around college campuses tend to be in

911
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 2: that particular age group. I don't know how you a

912
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:58,719
Speaker 2: police officer to be able to discern a I don't

913
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 2: know a seventeen year old from an eighteen year old,

914
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:03,799
Speaker 2: unless say, asking everybody for IDs or if this is

915
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 2: even feasible for this point, and I get the effort

916
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 2: we're trying to do here, but again, it's a much

917
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 2: much bigger issue than just putting curfuws, John, especially when

918
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 2: we don't have evidence that the previous curfews worked at all. Anyway,

919
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:16,880
Speaker 2: have you had any input or are you going to

920
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 2: get input from UC and especifically the students or the

921
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 2: businesses on Short Vine or anyone in Coryville for that matter.

922
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 1: Yeah.

923
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 7: No, I've met with students.

924
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 6: I've met with I had a meeting with a bunch

925
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:29,919
Speaker 6: of the businesses there and went up to Short Fine

926
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:30,879
Speaker 6: and sat down with them.

927
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 7: And you know, look, CBD has a justice of parking.

928
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 6: They're trying to make it easy, you know, harder for

929
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 6: you know, folks to come in and park there and

930
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 6: you know, and party along Short Vine. So they're they're

931
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 6: you know, I don't know how effective of those measures are,

932
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 6: but you know, these business owners are They're like, look,

933
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 6: this is the worst that's been in thirty years, and

934
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 6: so we have to do something. And that's where I

935
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 6: think the first question is, given that a lot of

936
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 6: these instances have happened at twelve forty five thirty two

937
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,840
Speaker 6: thirty in the morning, is are we enforcing the eleven

938
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:05,319
Speaker 6: pm curfew that we have in.

939
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 7: Place right now?

940
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:06,439
Speaker 4: Yeah?

941
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, And that's that's where we start. And let's see,

942
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 6: you know what, you know what, whether that's been affected.

943
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 4: Should we not?

944
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 2: Why should we be reading into this politically and a

945
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 2: political sense Mark jeffres In that okay, so you can

946
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 2: chief thg that's up in the air. Mayor wins re

947
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 2: election quite handily as you did in other members of council,

948
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 2: and now we go, Hey, you know, I forget about

949
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:29,319
Speaker 2: Fountain Square even though okay, I get it's colder, but

950
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 2: you're still going to have a lot of people at

951
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 2: Fountain Square because of the holidays and the festivities of

952
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 2: the ice rink and all that stuff. So now we're

953
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:36,319
Speaker 2: going to take our focus with from Fountain Square and

954
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 2: put it on Short Vine. Is the timing that's kind

955
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 2: of a concern.

956
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 7: No, I don't think there's a political thing there.

957
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 6: I mean, look's if you know, because I do not

958
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 6: think that we can take our eye off the ball

959
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:53,399
Speaker 6: on a Fountain Square and downtown and over the Rhine,

960
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 6: you know, because to your point, people are going to

961
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 6: be coming down. The Convention Center can be open in January.

962
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 6: We've got that new plaza where they're going to have

963
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:04,840
Speaker 6: to rain. You're going to have a Christmas festival on

964
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 6: Fountain Square, like, we have to have a safety during

965
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 6: that time over Now, that has to be our priority.

966
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:15,840
Speaker 6: That's our front yard, you know, and obviously priority in

967
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 6: the neighborhoods as well. But you know, when people come

968
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 6: down to downtown, they you know, we need them to

969
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 6: feel and and beast states so that they hang out

970
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:27,440
Speaker 6: and spend money and you know, and contribute to the

971
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:29,880
Speaker 6: vibrancy of our not just our city, but our region.

972
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 2: You've got Red Fast, You've got that, the Ice Frank

973
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 2: as you mentioned, you've got Halidi Festt, Fountain Square, you've

974
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:37,800
Speaker 2: got Santa, you got all the stuff going on in downtown.

975
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 2: And now we're going, hey, forget about Fountain Square and

976
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:41,279
Speaker 2: I are going to focus on Sure. Why can't we

977
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 2: do both?

978
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 6: I think no, and I think we need to do both.

979
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:47,840
Speaker 6: I was ever a big fan of a six pm

980
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 6: curfew on Fountain Square, so still the nine pm still exists.

981
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:54,760
Speaker 6: Six pm I just thought was a little too early,

982
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 6: and then it does create confusion around what's six, what's nine,

983
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:02,839
Speaker 6: what's eleven? So I do think, you know, I've talked

984
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 6: to Interim Chief Enny, and he's still very focused on

985
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:10,319
Speaker 6: in and around downtown, and you know, and as I

986
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:13,319
Speaker 6: think he should be, all.

987
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 2: Right, yeah and focus on those doing the act and

988
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 2: making sure because typically when you arrest these individuals, there's

989
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:22,399
Speaker 2: previous either wants and warrants out for them, or they've

990
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 2: done something in the past and they've got a history

991
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 2: of causing problems. I think we need to really lean

992
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 2: on And I don't know why it's so tough to

993
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:32,399
Speaker 2: ask judges to know, be better what they're doing here

994
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:36,320
Speaker 2: to make sure that those who are repeat offenders, ratchet

995
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:38,319
Speaker 2: up the punishment for them, to set a message that

996
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 2: that's not going to be tolerated behavior and it's not

997
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:43,279
Speaker 2: gonna make it go away, because there's always going to

998
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:45,360
Speaker 2: be someone else out there doing bad stuff. I get that,

999
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 2: but I think it does have a chilling effect when

1000
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 2: you start getting tougher on sentences and punishments for people

1001
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:53,360
Speaker 2: who are doing this kind of stuff.

1002
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:54,359
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1003
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 6: Look, I mean, I've got four kids. If you have

1004
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 6: rules and you don't enforce the rules and there's no

1005
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:02,239
Speaker 6: real consequence, you really don't have rules. And so I think,

1006
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 6: you know, we've got to we have to do what

1007
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 6: we can do here in the city Hall, which is

1008
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:09,359
Speaker 6: make sure that we're you know, we're catching the back

1009
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:12,720
Speaker 6: guys and then you know, once to get the judicial system,

1010
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:15,319
Speaker 6: you know, continue to push forward, making sure that you

1011
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 6: know the consequences of the actions of these individuals, especially

1012
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:23,880
Speaker 6: repeat defenders, are you know, material and prevent them from

1013
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 6: you know, continuing to do it again?

1014
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:25,880
Speaker 4: All right?

1015
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 2: Finally, because I know you got to get in there.

1016
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:29,799
Speaker 2: Mark Jeffries is up. What are you going to look

1017
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 2: for with the mayor's presentation of the city's presentation relative

1018
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:35,320
Speaker 2: to your vote and how they should go? What questions

1019
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 2: you still need to answer? It kind of sum it

1020
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 2: up here.

1021
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 7: Yeah, A lot of questions. Are we enforcing the current

1022
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:41,239
Speaker 7: care few?

1023
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:41,880
Speaker 4: What's worked?

1024
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:45,279
Speaker 6: What hasn't worked on to our fine in particular, you know,

1025
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 6: what kind of non violent activity is happening between nine

1026
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 6: and eleven?

1027
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:50,319
Speaker 7: Like what's going on?

1028
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 4: You know?

1029
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 6: And uh, you know and and specifically you know what

1030
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 6: you know, what would the path be forward if you

1031
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:01,280
Speaker 6: know kids go to clips in the North.

1032
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 7: Side or another neighborhood.

1033
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:04,359
Speaker 6: So a lot of these questions that I think we

1034
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 6: need answered before we figure out whether this is the

1035
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 6: right next step or not.

1036
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 2: Also find out about the jihat on food trucks too.

1037
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:15,239
Speaker 2: That is just that is just sill.

1038
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:17,799
Speaker 7: I'm going to ask about that too. I'm not I'm

1039
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:19,880
Speaker 7: not you know, look at me.

1040
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:23,479
Speaker 6: From the data that they present presentation that they shared

1041
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 6: ahead of time, like, it's not making any material impact.

1042
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 7: So if it's not, then why are we doing it?

1043
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, that would be Yeah, we've got speeders on the road,

1044
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:35,360
Speaker 2: so we close the road. It's uh, everyone else wants

1045
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:37,839
Speaker 2: to use it too. So and by and largest, ninety

1046
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 2: nine point nine percent of the people who are buying a

1047
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:42,359
Speaker 2: hamburger or a slice of pizza or a taco are

1048
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 2: law abiding people. Let's deal with the point one percent

1049
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 2: that's caused the problems rather than shutting it down for

1050
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:49,920
Speaker 2: everybody else. It's insane, is with that is Mark Jefferies.

1051
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:53,359
Speaker 2: Glad to have you back on council and thanks again

1052
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 2: for joining the show.

1053
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 4: Go get him.

1054
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:58,239
Speaker 2: Thanks, I appreciate takes care you too, you as well

1055
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 2: enjoy Yeah, he's got to get in there because they're

1056
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 2: about to fire this thing up to Yeah, just so

1057
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 2: many questions with us, like all right, Fountain Square, how

1058
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:07,359
Speaker 2: did that work? Well, we don't know, we have the data,

1059
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:09,719
Speaker 2: so now we're gonna do it on short vine. Like

1060
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 2: I legitimately know how people in my family, my nephew

1061
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:15,839
Speaker 2: was looking at U see and was concerned about the crime.

1062
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 2: So he was somewhere else you wonder if this kind

1063
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 2: of behavior continues to keep up, how many people, how

1064
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 2: attractive the University of Cincinnati becomes, because I know, you know,

1065
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 2: I think it's like top five, top ten when it

1066
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:29,880
Speaker 2: comes to dangerous campuses. That's not a good look for

1067
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:31,839
Speaker 2: the city of Cincinnati. And you know when you get

1068
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:34,400
Speaker 2: these videos of gunfire on short vine and people getting

1069
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 2: jacked over pizza and break ins, and you know, and

1070
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 2: again it's does that happen in urban campuses? Absolutely, that's

1071
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:44,880
Speaker 2: part of it. But you know, this is Cincinnati, we

1072
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:47,840
Speaker 2: live here, and universites, you see, is a great institution.

1073
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:51,359
Speaker 2: I think these students and certainly those parents who send

1074
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 2: their kids there from wherever it might be, even here

1075
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 2: in Cincinnati and beyond, deserve better than that. And you know,

1076
00:49:57,160 --> 00:49:58,799
Speaker 2: we need to take that seriously. And that's not just

1077
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 2: CPD University of Cincinnati police as well and our courts.

1078
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Speaker 2: We'll get a news update in and when a return.

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Speaker 2: It's duly on the job career Wednesday. Here on the

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Speaker 2: Scott Sloan Show seven hundred WLW, Julie Balki getting some

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Speaker 2: well deserved time off. She's on a boat somewhere son

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Speaker 2: in her cheeks so today we're going to talk about

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Speaker 2: scams and looking for jobs. Something like over nine to

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Speaker 2: ten gen zers and millennials are actively looking for a job.

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Speaker 2: Francisco Javier Toben is from LinkedIn and that site, of course,

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Speaker 2: like the Facebook of jobs if you will, scams are prevalent.

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Speaker 2: We're going to talk about this morning. Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 8: How are you hi, Good morning, Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so there been on scams have been around since,

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Speaker 2: you know, since the dawn of times and certainly before

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Speaker 2: the dawn of the Internet. We are seeing more some

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Speaker 2: sophisticated ones now. The one I've heard that that's pretty

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Speaker 2: common is, you know, you'll you'll put your you know,

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00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 2: be looking for a job somewhere online and maybe respond

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Speaker 2: to something and it's a fishing scam, and that person,

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Speaker 2: oh yeah, you're just the right person with the job,

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Speaker 2: and give you all sorts of hope, because sometimes job

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Speaker 2: seekers are pretty desperate if the job search goes on

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Speaker 2: for a long time, and so they get their trust

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Speaker 2: and they have them doing things. The next thing you

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Speaker 2: don't involve, I don't know, sending them Apple gift cards

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Speaker 2: or something like that. You know what I'm talking about.

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Speaker 8: Absolutely absolutely. I think scams are you know, they've been

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Speaker 8: around forever, and scammers are continuously evolving, becoming more sophisticated.

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Speaker 8: They're they're using new technology, infusing it into their tactics

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Speaker 8: and their ways and their strategies. So even and like

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Speaker 8: you said, you know, job seekers need to be even

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Speaker 8: extra vigilant, especially given that we have a more competitive

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Speaker 8: job market. We're just seeing one opening for every two

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Speaker 8: applicants on LinkedIn.

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Speaker 4: So this is a big shift.

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Speaker 8: From twenty twenty one, in twenty twenty two, when we

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Speaker 8: saw two jobs open for every applicant. So, but that said,

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Speaker 8: we know scammers are increasingly looking to take advantage of

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Speaker 8: these job seekers and why that's why it's even more

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Speaker 8: important to be aware and that LinkedIn Uh, this is

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Speaker 8: a top priority for us. We're investing into the tools,

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Speaker 8: into the systems, and in the teachers to be able

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Speaker 8: to support authentic experiences so that job speakers can feel great, uh,

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Speaker 8: feel confident to move forward, uh and in their jobs

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Speaker 8: seeking experience.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and if you're not familiar me, it seems like

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Speaker 2: everyone's on LinkedIn, not just you know, job minded career

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Speaker 2: minded folks, but everybody almost have to have a LinkedIn

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Speaker 2: profile these days, even if you're not looking for a job,

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Speaker 2: just to have one, just to have a profile up there,

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Speaker 2: and it's the social media job search. Of course, most

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Speaker 2: people think about job boards, and there's a lot of

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Speaker 2: them out there too, But there's one thing in common,

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Speaker 2: and that are the fraudulent job opportunities out there. So

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Speaker 2: give me some red flags to look out for, Francisco.

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Speaker 2: Relative to that, what are some of the warning signs?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, absolutely, there are some a few red sizes that

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Speaker 8: professionals should keep in mind when they're searching for their

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Speaker 8: next role. Well, first things first, we want to we

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Speaker 8: want to make sure that job speakers trust their instinct.

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Speaker 8: If something feels off, this sounds too good to be true,

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Speaker 8: it likely is. Be mindful of hirers asking for payment.

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Speaker 8: So when somebody asks for money or for payment up front,

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Speaker 8: your eyebrows up. You should never give out your credit

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Speaker 8: card private information because your social security number, banking information,

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Speaker 8: et cetera. Also, be wary of roles that move you

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Speaker 8: very quickly through the interview process. So if you get

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Speaker 8: a job offer after just one remote interview, it's rarely legitimate. Normally,

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Speaker 8: you have several rounds of interviews with the recruiter. Then

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Speaker 8: you'll speak to the man, the hiring manager, and then

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Speaker 8: in many cases you'll get a third round in this

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Speaker 8: interview where you speak to many different stakeholders so that

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Speaker 8: you can get the green lights. Other red flags, bad

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Speaker 8: grammar spelling, bad punctuation. It's usually indicative of a fraudulent

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Speaker 8: ex sense or if somebody or recruiter looks to move

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Speaker 8: the conversation off to another platform, which is usually indicative

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00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:08,279
Speaker 8: also of somebody looking to scam you. So if you

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Speaker 8: encounter members of people that encounter anything that feels off

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Speaker 8: on our platform, we want to make sure that they

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Speaker 8: report it to us directly so they can click at

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Speaker 8: the top right of the job or the message and

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Speaker 8: other stuff that we can investigate and take action.

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Speaker 2: You know, if I get an email phishing attempt and

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Speaker 2: hear at iHeart my god. We spend a lot of

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00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:29,239
Speaker 2: time making sure everyone knows what to look for, what

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Speaker 2: the warning signs are having to be fooled and tricked.

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Speaker 2: And we have people catfishing us in the company, sending

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Speaker 2: us fake emails to see if we click out and

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Speaker 2: go aha. So you shouldn't be clicking on this stuff.

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Speaker 2: So we just delete everything that's we're coming at it. So,

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Speaker 2: but if I'm looking for a job now and you're

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Speaker 2: telling me, and I think that maybe we bury the

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Speaker 2: leader a little bit, Francisco. Is that you're saying, just

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Speaker 2: a year ago or so, you know, we had two

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Speaker 2: openings for every worker. Now it's foot flopped, it's got

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Speaker 2: advantages back to in the game of career tennis. The

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Speaker 2: advantage is now back to the employer. So you're saying,

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Speaker 2: they're two job seekers for every job opportunity now, and

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Speaker 2: so we're back to the way it's been for most

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Speaker 2: of my life. If you are unemployed, let's say you

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Speaker 2: lose your job or search job after a period of time,

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Speaker 2: after three, four or five six months, you start getting desperate,

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Speaker 2: and desperation is just right for being taken advantage of

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Speaker 2: it. And I think that's the key difference when you talk

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Speaker 2: about fishers and scammers and spear fishers and the like

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00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:26,680
Speaker 2: out in the real world on your phone with texts

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00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:31,080
Speaker 2: or phone calls or DMS or certainly emails, different than

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Speaker 2: what you're actively looking for a job, because now you

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Speaker 2: want something and you want to hope that somebody thinks

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Speaker 2: you're valuable and therefore kind of like a you know,

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00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:42,319
Speaker 2: a love triangle or a bad relationship. That way, it's

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Speaker 2: setting up for you to become a victim when it

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Speaker 2: comes to looking for a job. That's a I think

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Speaker 2: the psychological side of it.

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Speaker 8: Now, let me tell you broke that down absolutely perfectly.

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Speaker 8: It's it's it's a wild wild west out there.

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Speaker 4: Yep.

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Speaker 8: With increasing use of the Internet, new platforms and schools,

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Speaker 8: like I said that new new technologies is like generative AI.

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Speaker 8: You know, this is going to keep going, and scammers

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Speaker 8: are not going to stop. They're going to continue to evolve.

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Speaker 8: They're going to continue to find clever ways to trick people.

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Speaker 8: So that's why we need to when we when we

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Speaker 8: encounter something that feels off, just take just take a

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00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:23,720
Speaker 8: moment and pause, right, you know, pause and think. Sometimes

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00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:26,880
Speaker 8: we were very eager to move forward in the process,

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Speaker 8: but you know, just giving the new realities that we're

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00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:32,799
Speaker 8: seeing and the data that we're seeing, is it's just

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00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:35,480
Speaker 8: important to be a little slower, be a little minafle,

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Speaker 8: and and trust your instincts.

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Speaker 2: As I said, yeah, I think also it's probably important

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Speaker 2: to maybe have someone or a friend circle, a colleague circle,

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00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:49,880
Speaker 2: your network something like somebody you could take and go, hey, look,

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Speaker 2: kick the tires on this for me? Am I crazy?

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00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:53,759
Speaker 2: Am I not seeing? Because sometimes you get into the

1212
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 2: you know, you're inside the aquarium and you can't see

1213
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:58,399
Speaker 2: so good. You need somebody from the outside to go, hey, man,

1214
00:56:58,440 --> 00:56:59,880
Speaker 2: that looks like a scam to me, A better be

1215
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:02,239
Speaker 2: careful and maybe you need somebody in the outside for

1216
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Speaker 2: wakel well, whether it's a spouse or a relative or

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Speaker 2: someone along my line.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, absolutely lean on your network, being on the people

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Speaker 8: that you know, that that care about you, that that

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Speaker 8: that want to see you succeed. I think these people

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00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:17,240
Speaker 8: are gonna give you an honest feedback, you know, and

1222
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:19,920
Speaker 8: maybe let you know, hey, this feels off. So I

1223
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:22,520
Speaker 8: always say, you know, go for a second opinion, go

1224
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:24,960
Speaker 8: for a third opinion. It's going to help you ground

1225
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:28,720
Speaker 8: yourself right. And if and if it still feels off,

1226
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Speaker 8: you know you can. You can also do a Google

1227
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Speaker 8: search to see what type of trends, what type of

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Speaker 8: skins are happening mm hm. More often not many of

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Speaker 8: these scams are reported through the Better Business Bureau. There's

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Speaker 8: information and warnings out there that go a little bit

1231
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:48,040
Speaker 8: deeper into what these scams are and in the different

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00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:52,080
Speaker 8: taxic tactics they use. So there's information out there. Lean

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Speaker 8: on the people that you know, and lean on the

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Speaker 8: information on the Internet as well.

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Speaker 2: Francisco Javier Tobaan is a career expert at LinkedIn and

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Speaker 2: LinkedIn is the well the social media of job recruiters

1237
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:04,600
Speaker 2: and searchers and the like. That's where you go. Make

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Speaker 2: sure you have a presence on LinkedIn if you're looking

1239
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:08,760
Speaker 2: for a job or you're in the you know, you're

1240
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:11,200
Speaker 2: in your working years and that's important to have that.

1241
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:13,440
Speaker 2: But new survey comes out eighty five percent of workers

1242
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:16,120
Speaker 2: here in the United States are thinking about changing jobs

1243
00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:19,080
Speaker 2: this year. That's a twenty seven percent increase from the

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00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:22,000
Speaker 2: previous year. And that number is nine and ten among

1245
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:24,960
Speaker 2: gen zers, which is damn you're close to almost all

1246
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:26,920
Speaker 2: of them looking for a job this year, and millennials

1247
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:29,600
Speaker 2: too is pretty high above nine and ten. And with

1248
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Speaker 2: that comes scammers. Because we're starting to see the number

1249
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Speaker 2: of jobs dwindle. We're also seeing the number of employees

1250
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:37,680
Speaker 2: go Okay, now it's I'm not I don't have my

1251
00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:39,760
Speaker 2: pick of the litter anymore, and it's now starting to

1252
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:43,280
Speaker 2: become more like we've seen in previous years where you

1253
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:46,280
Speaker 2: have more people looking for jobs and actual jobs out there,

1254
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Speaker 2: So that then comes with desperation and looking for a

1255
00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:52,160
Speaker 2: job and trying to dance yourself, and that means you're

1256
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Speaker 2: setting yourself up a scam possibly. But the whole thing

1257
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Speaker 2: with generative AI, as you mentioned Francisco, that's absolutely frightening

1258
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:02,040
Speaker 2: right there and what we've seen just so far in

1259
00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:04,640
Speaker 2: its infancy. What are you prepared for in the future here?

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Speaker 2: As you sure you guys are looking months or years ahead.

1261
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Speaker 2: So where you think generative AI is going on, how

1262
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:12,240
Speaker 2: it's going to affect the job market and job seekers

1263
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:15,320
Speaker 2: and that dance. But specifically when it comes to scammers,

1264
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:16,720
Speaker 2: what do you think is going to happen?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, well, we're using generative AI to infuse it into

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00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:23,840
Speaker 8: our products to make our members more productive and successful

1267
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:27,000
Speaker 8: in their job experience. But we're also using generative AI

1268
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Speaker 8: in different new technologies to evolve our AI defenses so

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00:59:32,080 --> 00:59:36,480
Speaker 8: that we can better detect fraudulent attempts. We can better

1270
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Speaker 8: detect seak accounts that bad actors are using in order

1271
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:48,120
Speaker 8: to attack or seek out vulnerable job seekers. So this

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00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:52,880
Speaker 8: is something that we're constantly looking to infuse into our

1273
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:55,280
Speaker 8: defenses as we know it's going to be help us

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00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:58,920
Speaker 8: be more effective along the way. Another way that we're

1275
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Speaker 8: using technology is through verification. So we offer free verification

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Speaker 8: to all US to most US members if they qualify.

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Speaker 8: It's a free service. Members can easily go on LinkedIn,

1278
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:17,800
Speaker 8: dot com, slash verify, verify their own account. But as

1279
01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:21,000
Speaker 8: their job searching, they can look out for the great

1280
01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:24,000
Speaker 8: shield next to a person's name. That means that person

1281
01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:26,960
Speaker 8: has verified at least one element of their profile to

1282
01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:30,840
Speaker 8: be their identity, to be their workplace verification. Or if

1283
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:33,160
Speaker 8: they see a job with a shield, it means that

1284
01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:35,800
Speaker 8: job has been verified, that recruiter has been verified.

1285
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:36,240
Speaker 2: Oh cool.

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Speaker 8: So it's an extra people of confidence so that people

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Speaker 8: can move forward with ease and they can go forward

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Speaker 8: with their job searching experience with confidence as well.

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Speaker 2: Exactly imagine most people don't have the time to research

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Speaker 2: whether or not a company and that represent as legitimate.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure the scammers are pretty smart about that that

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Speaker 2: they'll steal the identity of a company and attach themselves

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Speaker 2: to it and make it look like an internal email

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Speaker 2: or whatever it is, when when not actually doing that

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Speaker 2: and so those are some of the warning signs. What

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Speaker 2: are the real quick here, because I know we've got

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Speaker 2: to get going. Most popular scams you're seeing today when

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Speaker 2: it comes to job searches.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, of course, aside from like financial requests, we're also

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Speaker 8: seeing cryptocurrency scams where scammers ask them to down those

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Speaker 8: specific types of software. As you also hint it hinted out.

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Speaker 8: We've also seen gift cards, gift card requests or receep

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Speaker 8: alone a prize or different types of winnings. But most

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Speaker 8: indicative and specifically on LinkedIn. Romantic messages or gestures with

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Speaker 8: which are inappropriate, they're not allowed on LinkedIn. So normally

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Speaker 8: many of these scammers, they use bots as well, automated

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Speaker 8: generative AI bots that use to uh to to charm

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Speaker 8: potential victims over a long period of time. They call

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Speaker 8: these pig butchering scams where they gain trust so for

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Speaker 8: months and months, and then sooner or later, you know

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Speaker 8: they have enough trust equity with that person for these

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Speaker 8: to be able to hand over the keys to a

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Speaker 8: cryptocurrency account, et cetera. So you know it's something as

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Speaker 8: I said, you know, most of most of the time

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Speaker 8: these things can be prevented and we're doing the job

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Speaker 8: in the work in order to be able to surface

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Speaker 8: more of these authenticity signals to our members so that

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Speaker 8: they can make educated decisions as they navigate their job

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Speaker 8: search experience.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think by now the whole gift card scam

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Speaker 2: that people would go man when they start asking for

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Speaker 2: an iTunes gift card, it's I'm looking for a job.

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Speaker 2: Why am I giving you something. I'm the one who

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Speaker 2: needs the job. I want to be hired, and you

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Speaker 2: give me money. I shouldn't be giving you anything in

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Speaker 2: that regarding you have. People do it all the time.

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Speaker 2: It's the damnedest thing.

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Speaker 8: It's so funny. And they also want one other thing.

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Speaker 8: And I want to make sure to call this out.

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Speaker 8: Sometimes they send you a check like a check. Pay

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Speaker 8: here's a right send new money, so buy that and

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Speaker 8: then that check founts back. We want to make sure

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Speaker 8: that you know, and you're going to be in charge

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Speaker 8: of you're going to be in debt with the bank

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Speaker 8: to pay that to pay that back. So I'd just

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Speaker 8: be very mindful of those.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you see, it's it's and there are a

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Speaker 2: lot of smart people that get pulled in by this trap.

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Speaker 2: Believe it or not, so just start to look out

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Speaker 2: for again. Francisco Javier toob On with LinkedIn, Thanks so

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Speaker 2: much for the info.

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Speaker 4: Appreciate it absolutely.

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Speaker 8: Thanks thanks for having me. Have a great day.

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Speaker 2: News on the way in just a couple of minutes

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Speaker 2: on seven hundred W Dow Scott Sloan show, of course

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Speaker 2: the very Latest and What's happening in the world today

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Speaker 2: earlier If you missed it, it'll be in the podcast

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Speaker 2: following the show at noon today via the iHeart Radio app.

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Speaker 2: And that was Ohio Senator Steve Huffman on the show.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure you heard this news today if you enjoy

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Speaker 2: those THHD infused beverages. Remember we had that big battle

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Speaker 2: over intoxicating hemp laws and what wound up happening was

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Speaker 2: we had a ninety day stay by the Governor of

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Speaker 2: band and we'll allegedly we're going to be able to

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Speaker 2: sell this stuff. And we had companies like fifty West

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Speaker 2: on the show talking about how much money they're going

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Speaker 2: to lose because the craft beer movement is kind of fading.

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Speaker 2: While it's fading bad, but THHC infused products are taking

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Speaker 2: its place. People like the buzz better than they do alcohol.

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Speaker 2: They don't feel as bad the next day after drinking

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Speaker 2: a few of these, and the end result is it

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Speaker 2: seems to work pretty well. Of course, there was a

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Speaker 2: little poll with Hempen there and a whole bunch of

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Speaker 2: the thing in long story short as any way, it

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Speaker 2: was the THC adult beverage ban that was good, and

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Speaker 2: then the ninety day ban that was back on again

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Speaker 2: with a court order, new legislation company fix the issue

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Speaker 2: great In today we find out, according to Steve Hoffman,

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Speaker 2: that the lawmakers Mitch McConnell and Ran Paul are fighting

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Speaker 2: over this in the Senate. And I thought the government

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Speaker 2: was closed, but apparently they can get together and discuss

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Speaker 2: things that screw up our lives. And now we may

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Speaker 2: be back to square one on this whole thing, because

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Speaker 2: the government may come in and Mitch McColl's going, you know,

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Speaker 2: this stuff could be bad for kids. We've got to

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Speaker 2: ban it, just like Mike DeWine said, that precipitated our legislation. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 2: as you know, federal law overrides day law. And if

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Speaker 2: the Feds ban that the THHC infused drink products, that

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Speaker 2: kills literally a thirty billion dollar industry and growing in Ohio,

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Speaker 2: Kentucky and Indiana. A great discussion with him at nine

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Speaker 2: oh six this morning. Again catch on the podcast following

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Speaker 2: the show. Just ahead, speaking of Supreme Court related stuff,

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Speaker 2: there's a battle brewing over Trump's tariffs, namely and his

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Speaker 2: solicitor generally even admitted this and saying that, well, a

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Speaker 2: tariff is kind of like a tax. The only problem

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Speaker 2: with that is, according to the Constitution, only Congress can

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Speaker 2: lovey taxes. No other branch of government executive, judicial, can

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Speaker 2: do that. So what happens to the tariffs? And some

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Speaker 2: Supreme Court watchers believe that indications are there that they

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Speaker 2: may actually strike the tariffs down sometime soon. What does

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Speaker 2: this mean? I've got a guy and to talk about that.

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Speaker 2: I got a guy for that. He'll explain it, why

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Speaker 2: it makes sense to you and also what the bottom

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Speaker 2: line is for you. Coming up next on the show

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Speaker 2: after news on the Home of the Best Bengals coverage

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Speaker 2: seven hundred WW since now.

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Speaker 1: Want to American, He's got.

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Speaker 2: Flown on seven hundred W and l will be many

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Speaker 2: things happening. The Supreme Court has been busy. They're hearing

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Speaker 2: arguments on the constitutionality President Trump's tariffs, and the early

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Speaker 2: indication at least is a few days ago, it seems

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Speaker 2: to be in jeopardy the tariffs. So some of the

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Speaker 2: conservative justice even seem skeptical that Trump has the power

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Speaker 2: to impose these far reaching tariffs and a ruling could

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Speaker 2: certainly hurt, if not kill, his signature second term priority

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Speaker 2: on that with analysis is the director of Constitutional Studies

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Speaker 2: at the Manhattan Institute, Elias Shapiro. Welcome, good morning, Good morning, Scott.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, not quite sure what theory they're going to rest on,

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Speaker 9: but a majority of the justicees definitely seemed skeptical that

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Speaker 9: at least under this particular statute, which has never been

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Speaker 9: used for tariffs, that the president could do what he's doing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the bottom line here, So we saw that at

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Speaker 2: least two of the likely swing by the Conservatives, it'd

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Speaker 2: be John Roberts and Justice Barrick Camy Comme. Barrett indicated

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Speaker 2: that maybe they're not inclined to see Trump's side of

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Speaker 2: this thing. Roberts quote was, the vehicle is in position

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Speaker 2: of taxes on Americans, and that's always been the core

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Speaker 2: power of Congress. Even one of Trump's attorney's admit, I

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Speaker 2: believe it was attorney admitted that this was a tax

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Speaker 2: the fact of text. Does this undermine the whole thing?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, the Congress cannot delegate its power to tax, and

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Speaker 9: presumably that includes the power to tariff, although other statutes

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Speaker 9: that are more narrower have not been challenged in the past,

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Speaker 9: and presidents going back, you know, decades.

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Speaker 4: Have used it.

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Speaker 9: In fact, the Treasury Secretary Scott Bessett later said, well,

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Speaker 9: the Supreme.

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Speaker 4: Court and validate this.

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Speaker 9: We have other ways of accomplishing pretty much the same thing,

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Speaker 9: and that is more.

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Speaker 4: Or less correct.

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Speaker 9: If the tariffs are more targeted, you know, China for

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Speaker 9: national security reasons, other countries for retaliation, or whatever the

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Speaker 9: case might be.

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Speaker 4: There are ways of running.

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Speaker 9: A tariff re dream through the Executive Office, but probably

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Speaker 9: not this particular statute.

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Speaker 2: The Solicitor General Souer read a letter from James Madison

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Speaker 2: that it felt like, as I mentioned, undermined their argument

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Speaker 2: in saying that, well, a tariff is attacks. Has that

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Speaker 2: been overblown that quote or is that something that is

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Speaker 2: going to weigh in the minds of the justices.

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Speaker 9: Well, it's all part of the same puzzle. So the

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Speaker 9: first level analysis is the text of this statutet the

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Speaker 9: International Economic Emergency Prevention Act ii EPA as it's called,

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Speaker 9: and which lists a whole bunch of things that the

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Speaker 9: president can do in an emergency block embargo, do various,

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Speaker 9: but the tax is not listed. And so lawyers, there's

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Speaker 9: a tool of interpretation that says, if you have a

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Speaker 9: big long list and what you want to do is

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Speaker 9: not included, well that's a pretty good indication that that

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Speaker 9: there's no authority for that particular thing. So that's especially

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Speaker 9: what Justice Barrett was skeptical about. And then beyond that

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Speaker 9: is this constitutional delegation of taxing authority that we just

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Speaker 9: discussed that for example, Justice Gorsich was particularly skeptical about,

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Speaker 9: and Chief Justice Roberts he just thought of as as

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Speaker 9: you just mentioned, this is a major question of economic significance,

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Speaker 9: and unless Congress speaks explicitly, he's going to be doubtful

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Speaker 9: that the executive can just assume that power.

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Speaker 2: Ellie Shapiro Manhattan instued one of the legal framework questions

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Speaker 2: you're going to hear thrown around during this decision. It's

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Speaker 2: a big one too, because this is a lovely cornerstone

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Speaker 2: of his second administration, the tariffs, and I's struck down

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Speaker 2: by the Court that's certainly going to have implications to

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Speaker 2: the markets and everything else. It's called the Major Questions Doctrine,

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Speaker 2: which I understand is a relatively new piece of judicial framework.

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Speaker 2: Can you explain what it is and how they developed

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Speaker 2: it and whyde applies here?

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Speaker 9: Apparently I got way ahead of you, because that's what

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Speaker 9: I was describing that that you know, that's I was

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Speaker 9: trying to kind of break it down.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Developed.

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Speaker 9: This is especially the developed in the last decade or so.

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Speaker 9: When there's a question of of major political social economics significance,

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Speaker 9: unless Congress has specified it, they're not going to defer

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Speaker 9: to the executive branch about that. At Chief Justice Roberts,

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Speaker 9: the middle of the court, Roberts Barrett Cavanaugh are especially

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Speaker 9: concerned about that, although in this case Cavanaugh, who's thought

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Speaker 9: as a median vote, seemed to be more towards the

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Speaker 9: government side, more deferential to executive power.

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Speaker 2: Okay, got it. This sounds like jeopardy there. The answer

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Speaker 2: was a question Ellie Sapiro at Manhattan Institute on the

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Speaker 2: show this Morning on seven hundred WLW is it tough

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Speaker 2: to read the tea leaves? And saying, well, you know,

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Speaker 2: Justice Amy Coney Barrett said this, and Justice John Roberts

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Speaker 2: said this, And you go and you start to how

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Speaker 2: often does that turned out to be true? Because their

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Speaker 2: job is to ask probing questions. Is it presumptuous to

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Speaker 2: kind of read into that like we're doing right now?

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Speaker 9: Well, I mean, my prediction is worth what you're paying

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Speaker 9: for it. And you know, I have a quote unquote expertise.

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Speaker 4: I followed the court. I filed briefs myself.

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Speaker 9: I have written a book about the Supreme Court, Supreme disorder,

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Speaker 9: about judicial nomination and the politics thereof you do your

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Speaker 9: best and the justices in the end can surprise. Oral

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Speaker 9: argument is the tip of the iceberg. It's it's what

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Speaker 9: we see. But uh, you know, the briefs are important,

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Speaker 9: and the justices discussions and the drafts of the opinions

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Speaker 9: going back and forth. So nobody's ever going to give

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01:11:18,240 --> 01:11:19,360
Speaker 9: you one hundred percent certainty.

1502
01:11:19,560 --> 01:11:19,960
Speaker 4: Right.

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01:11:21,640 --> 01:11:24,280
Speaker 2: It wasn't long ago that the Court struck down Biden's

1504
01:11:24,280 --> 01:11:28,600
Speaker 2: student loan forgiveness, And does that factor into this is

1505
01:11:28,640 --> 01:11:30,439
Speaker 2: a shadow the upcoming decision?

1506
01:11:31,240 --> 01:11:32,080
Speaker 4: I think it does.

1507
01:11:32,200 --> 01:11:34,840
Speaker 9: I think it does, And a lot of commentators have

1508
01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:38,880
Speaker 9: compared it to that and other ways in which the

1509
01:11:38,920 --> 01:11:42,080
Speaker 9: court has gone against the executive brands the last couple

1510
01:11:42,160 --> 01:11:42,960
Speaker 9: of presidencies.

1511
01:11:44,560 --> 01:11:44,720
Speaker 1: Uh.

1512
01:11:45,200 --> 01:11:47,439
Speaker 4: You know, they're they're deferential to a point.

1513
01:11:48,040 --> 01:11:48,400
Speaker 1: Uh.

1514
01:11:48,439 --> 01:11:51,599
Speaker 9: And you know that's why the Solsier General, the government's lawyer,

1515
01:11:51,720 --> 01:11:54,320
Speaker 9: kept pressing about that this is a foreign policy issue

1516
01:11:54,320 --> 01:11:57,160
Speaker 9: because the president typically gets more difference from courts on

1517
01:11:57,240 --> 01:11:58,800
Speaker 9: foreign policy national security.

1518
01:11:59,320 --> 01:12:01,479
Speaker 4: But there's this important statute involved.

1519
01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:02,360
Speaker 8: Uh.

1520
01:12:02,400 --> 01:12:05,640
Speaker 4: And you know, just like Biden's.

1521
01:12:05,560 --> 01:12:09,280
Speaker 9: Reading, his administration's reading of the relevant statute for student

1522
01:12:09,360 --> 01:12:14,880
Speaker 9: loans or for the vaccine mandate for private employers. The

1523
01:12:14,920 --> 01:12:17,760
Speaker 9: court said that that was stretching the statute, reading into

1524
01:12:17,760 --> 01:12:20,120
Speaker 9: it things that weren't there. It seems to be that's

1525
01:12:20,120 --> 01:12:20,880
Speaker 9: where they're going here.

1526
01:12:21,479 --> 01:12:24,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, we mentioned the Slicitor General tried to distinguish the

1527
01:12:24,280 --> 01:12:27,759
Speaker 2: terrorists and taxes, but you know, the economists and apparently

1528
01:12:27,800 --> 01:12:31,080
Speaker 2: several justices see them as is the same thing. And

1529
01:12:31,160 --> 01:12:33,519
Speaker 2: how does that how does that work with this court

1530
01:12:33,560 --> 01:12:37,679
Speaker 2: and constitutional interpretation and also looking at well economic reality

1531
01:12:37,720 --> 01:12:41,360
Speaker 2: because the market's obviously watching this very very closely.

1532
01:12:42,360 --> 01:12:45,120
Speaker 9: The I mean, the president himself sort of undermines his

1533
01:12:45,160 --> 01:12:47,360
Speaker 9: own case because he brags about all the revenue that's

1534
01:12:47,400 --> 01:12:50,000
Speaker 9: being brought in by the tariffs, and the legal definition

1535
01:12:50,040 --> 01:12:55,760
Speaker 9: of a tax is a a legislative action that that

1536
01:12:55,840 --> 01:13:02,040
Speaker 9: raises revenue. So, uh, you know, I'm even less of

1537
01:13:02,080 --> 01:13:04,439
Speaker 9: a good predictor of the markets. Otherwise I'd be something

1538
01:13:04,439 --> 01:13:08,160
Speaker 9: other than a prostitutional lawyer. Right, But it seems like

1539
01:13:08,760 --> 01:13:13,439
Speaker 9: large employers have already large large manufacturers, producers, companies have

1540
01:13:13,479 --> 01:13:16,840
Speaker 9: already priced in the cost of the tariffs and passed

1541
01:13:16,840 --> 01:13:20,479
Speaker 9: them along to consumers. That's why these cases have been

1542
01:13:20,479 --> 01:13:24,080
Speaker 9: brought by small businesses. And so how the markets will react,

1543
01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:26,320
Speaker 9: I don't know. Is all of this already priced in.

1544
01:13:26,400 --> 01:13:29,240
Speaker 9: Will getting rid of the tariff, the uncertainty over that,

1545
01:13:29,320 --> 01:13:32,559
Speaker 9: will that harm the markets versus not having this extra

1546
01:13:32,640 --> 01:13:35,920
Speaker 9: tax to liberate the attax liberate the markets.

1547
01:13:35,680 --> 01:13:37,760
Speaker 4: That's not clear. Plus there's the remedial points.

1548
01:13:37,760 --> 01:13:40,000
Speaker 9: So it's not just that the Supreme Court rules the

1549
01:13:40,040 --> 01:13:43,160
Speaker 9: tariff is invalid and all of a sudden everybody instantly

1550
01:13:43,160 --> 01:13:45,800
Speaker 9: gets a refund. There's a whole big question of how

1551
01:13:45,880 --> 01:13:49,280
Speaker 9: you would you reverse that. Does each company that's paid

1552
01:13:49,280 --> 01:13:51,760
Speaker 9: a tariff have to make a new claim? Do the

1553
01:13:51,800 --> 01:13:55,360
Speaker 9: lower courts have power? And almost certainly the Supreme Court

1554
01:13:55,400 --> 01:13:57,080
Speaker 9: is not going to enter a remedial order. They're going

1555
01:13:57,120 --> 01:14:00,000
Speaker 9: to leave that remand that back to the lower court

1556
01:14:00,080 --> 01:14:00,639
Speaker 9: to figure out.

1557
01:14:00,760 --> 01:14:03,599
Speaker 2: Well, even bigger than that, do justices look at the

1558
01:14:03,640 --> 01:14:05,960
Speaker 2: after effects of the decision in that you know, the

1559
01:14:06,000 --> 01:14:08,759
Speaker 2: businesses have already paid these tariffs, What does that what's

1560
01:14:08,800 --> 01:14:10,920
Speaker 2: the refrunt process look like? Or do we keep their

1561
01:14:10,960 --> 01:14:12,800
Speaker 2: money or do they get to the nuances of that

1562
01:14:12,960 --> 01:14:15,160
Speaker 2: or they just rule on this decision and let everyone

1563
01:14:15,160 --> 01:14:16,160
Speaker 2: else sort that out after.

1564
01:14:17,280 --> 01:14:19,320
Speaker 9: Yeah, it's a it's a it's a separate issue. There's

1565
01:14:19,360 --> 01:14:22,680
Speaker 9: the issue of remedies and there are you know, the

1566
01:14:22,720 --> 01:14:25,920
Speaker 9: government when when it was asking for a stay of

1567
01:14:26,000 --> 01:14:28,880
Speaker 9: the lower court rule and blocking the tariffs, said oh, well,

1568
01:14:28,920 --> 01:14:30,519
Speaker 9: if we turn out to be wrong, we can always

1569
01:14:30,520 --> 01:14:31,240
Speaker 9: refund the money.

1570
01:14:31,280 --> 01:14:33,920
Speaker 4: So they kind of hurt.

1571
01:14:33,760 --> 01:14:37,080
Speaker 9: Their own long term interest by by arguing that in

1572
01:14:37,160 --> 01:14:39,759
Speaker 9: the in the short term and theory, in this digital age,

1573
01:14:39,800 --> 01:14:42,559
Speaker 9: everyone has records of who paid what, and you should

1574
01:14:42,640 --> 01:14:44,800
Speaker 9: be able to if there's a court order to for

1575
01:14:44,880 --> 01:14:47,600
Speaker 9: all the customs inspectors and whatnot to just reverse the

1576
01:14:48,320 --> 01:14:50,599
Speaker 9: charge and you know, make the make the wire go

1577
01:14:50,640 --> 01:14:53,120
Speaker 9: in the other direction that that should be done. I mean,

1578
01:14:53,160 --> 01:14:56,120
Speaker 9: it might be more complicated than certain other things, but

1579
01:14:56,560 --> 01:14:57,880
Speaker 9: it's not an impossible task.

1580
01:14:57,960 --> 01:15:02,719
Speaker 2: Hilly Shapiro, Manhattan Institute. The Supreme Court weighing Trump's tariffs

1581
01:15:02,840 --> 01:15:05,559
Speaker 2: right now, and it is. It's hanging in the balance.

1582
01:15:06,120 --> 01:15:06,200
Speaker 4: Uh.

1583
01:15:06,360 --> 01:15:09,160
Speaker 2: The early indication seemed that at least a couple of

1584
01:15:09,240 --> 01:15:13,000
Speaker 2: more conservative members of the panel are leaning towards knocking

1585
01:15:13,000 --> 01:15:16,280
Speaker 2: this thing down. But we'll see again as they contemplate this.

1586
01:15:16,400 --> 01:15:18,960
Speaker 2: And there's also the precedent here too. If the court

1587
01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:23,000
Speaker 2: rules against Trump, what does that mean for future presidents

1588
01:15:23,040 --> 01:15:25,719
Speaker 2: or parties or who want to use that executive authority

1589
01:15:25,760 --> 01:15:26,959
Speaker 2: on economic policies.

1590
01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:31,120
Speaker 9: That question came up that if we allow this, would

1591
01:15:31,120 --> 01:15:35,520
Speaker 9: a future president be able to declare an international emergency

1592
01:15:35,880 --> 01:15:40,439
Speaker 9: for climate change and therefore tax car companies and other

1593
01:15:40,800 --> 01:15:44,960
Speaker 9: you know, manufacturers that contribute to climate change. And the

1594
01:15:44,960 --> 01:15:48,559
Speaker 9: Solcier General said potentially yes. So I don't think that's

1595
01:15:48,560 --> 01:15:49,639
Speaker 9: going to sit very well.

1596
01:15:50,240 --> 01:15:52,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll see how it plays out here too. It's

1597
01:15:52,360 --> 01:15:55,280
Speaker 2: certainly interesting. And the timeline on this, because we never

1598
01:15:55,360 --> 01:15:57,000
Speaker 2: know when they're going to make a ruling on this.

1599
01:15:57,640 --> 01:15:58,400
Speaker 2: How long could this go?

1600
01:15:59,600 --> 01:16:01,120
Speaker 4: Well, they could.

1601
01:16:01,000 --> 01:16:03,640
Speaker 9: Have a decision by Christmas. It shouldn't take long to

1602
01:16:04,080 --> 01:16:05,960
Speaker 9: figure out if they want to get it out quick.

1603
01:16:06,840 --> 01:16:10,120
Speaker 9: But there's another case that's going to be argued next

1604
01:16:10,160 --> 01:16:13,880
Speaker 9: month on the president's power to remove the heads of

1605
01:16:14,000 --> 01:16:18,599
Speaker 9: independent agencies the National Labor Relations Board, the Federal Trade Commission,

1606
01:16:18,720 --> 01:16:22,720
Speaker 9: other alphabet agencies as they're called. And it looks like

1607
01:16:22,960 --> 01:16:25,400
Speaker 9: that case is going to go for the president for

1608
01:16:25,520 --> 01:16:29,040
Speaker 9: the administration, So they might want to pair those two

1609
01:16:29,080 --> 01:16:31,080
Speaker 9: if they're going to invalidate the if they're going to

1610
01:16:31,080 --> 01:16:33,400
Speaker 9: block the tariff, they might want to pair it with that,

1611
01:16:33,520 --> 01:16:36,040
Speaker 9: And so you have one win, one loss for the administration,

1612
01:16:36,360 --> 01:16:39,120
Speaker 9: in which case it would spill into January February.

1613
01:16:39,200 --> 01:16:40,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems like they were I mean in the first

1614
01:16:40,880 --> 01:16:43,040
Speaker 2: three here is that they're uncomfortable with giving him carte

1615
01:16:43,080 --> 01:16:45,840
Speaker 2: blanche to apply tariffs whenever he wants. It seems like

1616
01:16:45,880 --> 01:16:48,120
Speaker 2: they pull that back someone at the very least.

1617
01:16:49,200 --> 01:16:54,680
Speaker 9: Again, that's the conventional wisdom as we've been discussing, and

1618
01:16:54,720 --> 01:16:58,120
Speaker 9: there are I think polymarket or there's some way you

1619
01:16:58,160 --> 01:17:00,160
Speaker 9: can bet on court opinions it might be off or

1620
01:17:00,240 --> 01:17:03,680
Speaker 9: or something like that. So you know, that's not not

1621
01:17:03,800 --> 01:17:05,879
Speaker 9: a bad way of checking what the wisdom of clouds

1622
01:17:06,000 --> 01:17:06,320
Speaker 9: might be.

1623
01:17:06,960 --> 01:17:09,519
Speaker 4: But uh, you know, there just like.

1624
01:17:09,439 --> 01:17:11,559
Speaker 9: In the NFL. The reason you know, any given Sunday,

1625
01:17:11,560 --> 01:17:13,120
Speaker 9: anything can happen. And so that's why the reason we

1626
01:17:13,120 --> 01:17:15,960
Speaker 9: play these games is you know, they could they could

1627
01:17:16,400 --> 01:17:17,639
Speaker 9: take it in a completely different.

1628
01:17:17,400 --> 01:17:19,479
Speaker 2: Direction, all due respect, but you know, we we often

1629
01:17:19,479 --> 01:17:21,600
Speaker 2: defer to the pundit class, like for example, Trump is

1630
01:17:21,640 --> 01:17:23,160
Speaker 2: going to you know, ext remember, is going to strike

1631
01:17:23,200 --> 01:17:25,760
Speaker 2: down gay marriage, and of course they went, now, we're not,

1632
01:17:25,840 --> 01:17:28,280
Speaker 2: We're not doing that, and was at a pleasant surprise,

1633
01:17:28,400 --> 01:17:31,800
Speaker 2: Not really, it wasn't a surprise at all that that

1634
01:17:31,920 --> 01:17:34,240
Speaker 2: would that would be almost impossible to onto us side

1635
01:17:34,240 --> 01:17:36,519
Speaker 2: of your scope of what we're talking about here. But

1636
01:17:36,840 --> 01:17:38,760
Speaker 2: I think that applies to some degree as well. They're

1637
01:17:38,760 --> 01:17:40,920
Speaker 2: not going to go there. You know, the idea that

1638
01:17:40,960 --> 01:17:42,800
Speaker 2: somehow they're just going to do everything Trump wants to

1639
01:17:42,840 --> 01:17:44,080
Speaker 2: do is it's rather silly.

1640
01:17:45,200 --> 01:17:46,639
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's absolutely right.

1641
01:17:46,680 --> 01:17:49,000
Speaker 9: And and there's all these media narratives gended up that

1642
01:17:49,040 --> 01:17:51,640
Speaker 9: this is Trump's court and that's just not true. What

1643
01:17:51,720 --> 01:17:56,200
Speaker 9: they've been ruling is to allow the the president to

1644
01:17:56,200 --> 01:17:57,960
Speaker 9: reorganize the executive branch.

1645
01:17:58,000 --> 01:18:00,000
Speaker 4: He's the head of the executive branch, he controls it.

1646
01:18:00,800 --> 01:18:07,360
Speaker 9: When he steps over into violating individual rights or stepping

1647
01:18:07,360 --> 01:18:11,960
Speaker 9: into legislative territory. That's when the administration has taken its

1648
01:18:12,000 --> 01:18:14,080
Speaker 9: losses and they've been strategic about which case is to

1649
01:18:14,680 --> 01:18:16,559
Speaker 9: bring up to the Supreme Court, which is why they

1650
01:18:16,560 --> 01:18:19,920
Speaker 9: have a very high win rate thus far in the

1651
01:18:19,960 --> 01:18:22,200
Speaker 9: first ten months of the second Trump administration.

1652
01:18:22,280 --> 01:18:24,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll be interesting. We're all following this case because

1653
01:18:24,280 --> 01:18:27,360
Speaker 2: this is the cornerstone of a second administration, is the tariffs.

1654
01:18:27,360 --> 01:18:30,519
Speaker 2: And as we said, it's going to take a long time.

1655
01:18:30,560 --> 01:18:32,559
Speaker 2: But if the court strikes us down, it also gives

1656
01:18:32,600 --> 01:18:35,479
Speaker 2: him cover, I think too, politically speaking, if the Supreme

1657
01:18:35,520 --> 01:18:38,800
Speaker 2: Court tries to pull back on his what he's trying

1658
01:18:38,840 --> 01:18:40,080
Speaker 2: to do here, he has now a little bit of

1659
01:18:40,120 --> 01:18:42,200
Speaker 2: cover and excuse going. Well, it would have worked if

1660
01:18:42,200 --> 01:18:44,360
Speaker 2: it wasn't for the damn meddling Supreme Court.

1661
01:18:44,439 --> 01:18:46,679
Speaker 4: Like scooby doo, that's right, that's right.

1662
01:18:47,000 --> 01:18:50,200
Speaker 9: And it also there's two economists are correct that the

1663
01:18:50,200 --> 01:18:55,640
Speaker 9: tariff has hurt our economy, hurt consumers. Then you know,

1664
01:18:55,720 --> 01:18:58,440
Speaker 9: then the markets will be up, things will be better economically,

1665
01:18:58,760 --> 01:19:02,000
Speaker 9: while he still gets to to rail against these enemies

1666
01:19:02,040 --> 01:19:05,400
Speaker 9: and to help them politically. So even if he might

1667
01:19:05,439 --> 01:19:09,200
Speaker 9: not like it, it might be beneficial, especially ahead of the terms.

1668
01:19:09,320 --> 01:19:12,919
Speaker 2: Director of Concertial Studies and Senior failty in Manhattan Institute,

1669
01:19:12,960 --> 01:19:15,640
Speaker 2: Ilia Shapiro on this great analysis. I appreciate it. Have

1670
01:19:15,640 --> 01:19:18,479
Speaker 2: a wonderful day, my pleasure, Scott. Yeah, you wonder if

1671
01:19:18,560 --> 01:19:21,360
Speaker 2: Republicans and this would be the leadership in the House

1672
01:19:21,400 --> 01:19:23,640
Speaker 2: and the Senate and maybe to some degree of those

1673
01:19:23,680 --> 01:19:26,960
Speaker 2: around Trump, maybe not Trump himself, but are kind of

1674
01:19:27,000 --> 01:19:29,519
Speaker 2: hoping for the Supreme Court to step in and kind

1675
01:19:29,520 --> 01:19:31,800
Speaker 2: of curb the tear if things some water, strike them down,

1676
01:19:31,840 --> 01:19:34,760
Speaker 2: simply because it gives you cover. Now saying, guy, you

1677
01:19:34,800 --> 01:19:36,720
Speaker 2: know we could have done this, I would have been well,

1678
01:19:36,880 --> 01:19:39,880
Speaker 2: it was all working up until the Supreme Court got involved,

1679
01:19:39,880 --> 01:19:41,400
Speaker 2: and now they screwed it back up. And it's the

1680
01:19:41,400 --> 01:19:43,200
Speaker 2: deep state, and this is why you've got to vote

1681
01:19:43,240 --> 01:19:46,320
Speaker 2: for well, name your next candidate. But you know Trump

1682
01:19:46,400 --> 01:19:48,760
Speaker 2: has been claiming we get these emails every day from

1683
01:19:48,800 --> 01:19:52,040
Speaker 2: the White House about you know, policies and saying when

1684
01:19:52,040 --> 01:19:54,559
Speaker 2: Trump is saying every price is down, everything is way down,

1685
01:19:54,600 --> 01:19:57,120
Speaker 2: down down, and prices are down down down. Everyone knows

1686
01:19:57,120 --> 01:19:59,599
Speaker 2: that it's less expensive than it was under Joe Biden.

1687
01:20:00,280 --> 01:20:02,600
Speaker 2: Not true, because you know, you can tell people that

1688
01:20:02,720 --> 01:20:05,120
Speaker 2: and put it on true social and claim it to be.

1689
01:20:05,240 --> 01:20:07,880
Speaker 2: But you know, the bottom line is, unlike other policies,

1690
01:20:07,880 --> 01:20:10,120
Speaker 2: we don't see and feel directly. You know, when you

1691
01:20:10,160 --> 01:20:11,840
Speaker 2: go to the grocery store and you see the price

1692
01:20:11,880 --> 01:20:14,519
Speaker 2: of beef, and you see that the consumer price index

1693
01:20:14,600 --> 01:20:18,240
Speaker 2: is up from where it's been. There's been inflation in

1694
01:20:18,320 --> 01:20:20,679
Speaker 2: every month of the term, and of products have gotten

1695
01:20:20,760 --> 01:20:23,880
Speaker 2: cost or costs more instead of getting cheaper. And you

1696
01:20:23,920 --> 01:20:26,960
Speaker 2: know what inflation is, it's still a sticky three percent.

1697
01:20:27,680 --> 01:20:29,320
Speaker 2: But yeah, I don't think we all feel it too.

1698
01:20:29,439 --> 01:20:31,639
Speaker 2: Gas of the pump is not near two dollars a gallon.

1699
01:20:31,640 --> 01:20:33,320
Speaker 2: It's the well above two dollars a gallon, at least

1700
01:20:33,320 --> 01:20:36,439
Speaker 2: the last time I got it. And while it's certainly

1701
01:20:36,439 --> 01:20:38,920
Speaker 2: not you know, three four five dollars a gallon, certainly

1702
01:20:39,000 --> 01:20:41,240
Speaker 2: everything feels like it costs more. It's not just beef,

1703
01:20:41,240 --> 01:20:44,680
Speaker 2: it's dozens of products have gotten way more expensive. And

1704
01:20:44,720 --> 01:20:47,920
Speaker 2: when he says groceries are down, other than beef, everything's down, down, down.

1705
01:20:47,920 --> 01:20:50,479
Speaker 2: We've had much lower prices like he can wish it.

1706
01:20:50,840 --> 01:20:52,680
Speaker 2: I don't think he's in the grocery store like like

1707
01:20:52,800 --> 01:20:56,200
Speaker 2: we always got out there doing his shopping like President

1708
01:20:56,280 --> 01:20:59,040
Speaker 2: Bush forty one no idea what a cost of a

1709
01:20:59,080 --> 01:21:01,920
Speaker 2: gall of milk cost? Trump does either. But you can

1710
01:21:02,000 --> 01:21:04,000
Speaker 2: keep talking about how the prices are done. But if

1711
01:21:04,000 --> 01:21:06,519
Speaker 2: that were true, even if you're the most diehard MAGA

1712
01:21:06,600 --> 01:21:10,320
Speaker 2: person saying that you're I'm the part of the media

1713
01:21:10,360 --> 01:21:12,360
Speaker 2: lives or whatever, Hey, great, have at it. But I

1714
01:21:12,439 --> 01:21:14,400
Speaker 2: know when I grow the grocery stort craps more expensive,

1715
01:21:14,400 --> 01:21:17,439
Speaker 2: and it is for you too. But even that test

1716
01:21:17,560 --> 01:21:19,879
Speaker 2: is okay. If the prices are down as he's climbing,

1717
01:21:20,760 --> 01:21:22,280
Speaker 2: why does he want to give all of us a

1718
01:21:22,320 --> 01:21:25,240
Speaker 2: two thousand dollars check? If the prices are down, you

1719
01:21:25,240 --> 01:21:27,960
Speaker 2: don't need a two thousand dollars check. That seems like

1720
01:21:28,000 --> 01:21:31,639
Speaker 2: to be the easiest, most basic test for all of us. Now,

1721
01:21:31,640 --> 01:21:33,320
Speaker 2: you may be a huge Trump fan and flying the

1722
01:21:33,360 --> 01:21:35,160
Speaker 2: flag and all that, know, your freak flag and all

1723
01:21:35,200 --> 01:21:37,640
Speaker 2: that stuff. Hey have at it, But you know, I

1724
01:21:37,680 --> 01:21:39,360
Speaker 2: think you can even admits like, yeah, this is not

1725
01:21:39,400 --> 01:21:41,040
Speaker 2: working out as expected. It's going to take a lot

1726
01:21:41,080 --> 01:21:43,280
Speaker 2: longer to see the effects of tariffs. And if the

1727
01:21:43,320 --> 01:21:46,280
Speaker 2: Supreme Court strikes it down, then I think that gives

1728
01:21:46,320 --> 01:21:48,639
Speaker 2: a mample cover. For sure, we'll get a news update

1729
01:21:48,680 --> 01:21:50,880
Speaker 2: in check the traffic, weather and all that going on

1730
01:21:50,920 --> 01:21:53,040
Speaker 2: in the world, and then want a return. Sarah's here

1731
01:21:53,040 --> 01:21:56,160
Speaker 2: a little sports laughing through her nose. It's the Snort

1732
01:21:56,200 --> 01:21:59,680
Speaker 2: Report aka Snorts of all sorts of share release, the

1733
01:21:59,720 --> 01:22:03,080
Speaker 2: bank and Joe Burrow at a crossroads here will he

1734
01:22:03,160 --> 01:22:03,800
Speaker 2: play or won't he?

1735
01:22:03,960 --> 01:22:04,120
Speaker 1: When?

1736
01:22:04,120 --> 01:22:06,120
Speaker 2: Will he play? Should he play? Should he not play?

1737
01:22:06,240 --> 01:22:08,320
Speaker 2: What the hell is going on down there? She's next

1738
01:22:08,360 --> 01:22:10,719
Speaker 2: on the show. It's a Snort Report with Sarah Lease

1739
01:22:10,920 --> 01:22:12,800
Speaker 2: on the Home of the Best Bengals coverage, seven hundred

1740
01:22:12,800 --> 01:22:26,040
Speaker 2: w st face.

1741
01:22:31,800 --> 01:22:34,559
Speaker 10: Good morning, I am happy today?

1742
01:22:35,280 --> 01:22:39,160
Speaker 2: Is that I'm a snort? That the cracking of Burrow's toe?

1743
01:22:40,479 --> 01:22:41,120
Speaker 2: That just you?

1744
01:22:43,320 --> 01:22:45,920
Speaker 10: Did you listen to that pressor on Monday?

1745
01:22:46,200 --> 01:22:49,799
Speaker 2: Sarah's Snort Report? Hi, good morning, what's going on, sporty?

1746
01:22:50,080 --> 01:22:55,880
Speaker 10: I'm feeling optimistic, Not because the Bengals got a new defense.

1747
01:22:56,240 --> 01:22:57,040
Speaker 1: I just like.

1748
01:22:59,160 --> 01:23:00,200
Speaker 2: In the bye week we got hold.

1749
01:23:00,560 --> 01:23:02,200
Speaker 10: Yeah, we got a whole new defense.

1750
01:23:02,240 --> 01:23:03,840
Speaker 2: I went under Jeff Wiler.

1751
01:23:03,439 --> 01:23:06,960
Speaker 10: And the things that money can buy.

1752
01:23:07,120 --> 01:23:14,000
Speaker 2: So it's too you're such a dead god.

1753
01:23:14,400 --> 01:23:17,519
Speaker 10: But I do like how I do like how tough

1754
01:23:17,520 --> 01:23:20,040
Speaker 10: of a guy that Joe Burrow is. He wasn't supposed

1755
01:23:20,040 --> 01:23:22,360
Speaker 10: to be back until like mid December. I was shocked.

1756
01:23:22,360 --> 01:23:24,400
Speaker 10: It was like seeing somebody come back from the dead.

1757
01:23:24,800 --> 01:23:28,160
Speaker 10: I'm like, who's this guy? You know that nobody was

1758
01:23:28,240 --> 01:23:31,520
Speaker 10: expecting him to walk through those doors on Monday afternoon

1759
01:23:32,000 --> 01:23:33,759
Speaker 10: and shock the world.

1760
01:23:36,439 --> 01:23:39,000
Speaker 2: All I know is I had a complete tendon rupture

1761
01:23:39,040 --> 01:23:41,200
Speaker 2: in my foot, and I'm thirty years older and I

1762
01:23:41,439 --> 01:23:44,639
Speaker 2: went out there playing football eight I was back in five.

1763
01:23:44,760 --> 01:23:48,080
Speaker 10: Oh way. You don't do anything physical like Joe Burrow,

1764
01:23:48,439 --> 01:23:50,360
Speaker 10: I am, what a throwing.

1765
01:23:50,080 --> 01:23:53,040
Speaker 2: A footballing up the worst, climbing up ladders?

1766
01:23:54,240 --> 01:23:56,840
Speaker 10: Yeah, but are you getting knocked down like Joe?

1767
01:23:56,960 --> 01:24:00,720
Speaker 2: I am? You got to turn the circuit off, you know.

1768
01:24:00,760 --> 01:24:03,080
Speaker 10: But on Monday, during that press conference, he had talked

1769
01:24:03,120 --> 01:24:06,679
Speaker 10: more about his injury. The Bengals media had asked about

1770
01:24:06,680 --> 01:24:08,320
Speaker 10: that day. I'm like, why are we going back to

1771
01:24:08,360 --> 01:24:10,040
Speaker 10: that day? But yeah, week two, he goes, look my

1772
01:24:10,160 --> 01:24:12,800
Speaker 10: toe gout. Listen to us. He said, my toe got

1773
01:24:12,880 --> 01:24:16,719
Speaker 10: stuck in the turf and then it got bent way

1774
01:24:16,880 --> 01:24:17,719
Speaker 10: too far back.

1775
01:24:17,920 --> 01:24:20,160
Speaker 2: You well, what do you think is going to happen?

1776
01:24:20,400 --> 01:24:22,799
Speaker 10: That's turf though, I know, I know, but just hearing

1777
01:24:22,840 --> 01:24:25,360
Speaker 10: and talking about it and then really thinking about it.

1778
01:24:25,400 --> 01:24:27,000
Speaker 10: I was there in the end zone at that game

1779
01:24:27,000 --> 01:24:29,280
Speaker 10: and I watched him get, you know, picked up by

1780
01:24:29,320 --> 01:24:32,120
Speaker 10: the two dudes. Right, I'm like, okay, yeah, that's pretty bad.

1781
01:24:32,840 --> 01:24:34,479
Speaker 2: Your whole foot laying like that.

1782
01:24:34,560 --> 01:24:38,559
Speaker 10: Yes, it's such a small body part, but such a

1783
01:24:38,600 --> 01:24:41,960
Speaker 10: big pain. Correct, But it is incredible that not even

1784
01:24:42,120 --> 01:24:44,839
Speaker 10: sixty days later, he's able to come back to practice.

1785
01:24:44,840 --> 01:24:48,599
Speaker 10: Granted it's limited, He's not going to be starting this weekend.

1786
01:24:48,640 --> 01:24:54,120
Speaker 10: Coach Taylor did confirm that. But in your opinion, I.

1787
01:24:54,120 --> 01:24:56,160
Speaker 2: Know, I think you are you going to go to

1788
01:24:56,200 --> 01:24:58,360
Speaker 2: the playoffs. This season is a playoffield is not a.

1789
01:24:58,320 --> 01:25:00,719
Speaker 10: Playoff team, This is not a play off defense.

1790
01:25:00,720 --> 01:25:02,920
Speaker 2: Why would you risk? I know, well, people buy tickets

1791
01:25:02,920 --> 01:25:05,280
Speaker 2: and the bus to look if you're serious about winning

1792
01:25:05,320 --> 01:25:06,880
Speaker 2: much I don't know they talk about it, but are

1793
01:25:06,880 --> 01:25:08,320
Speaker 2: you that serious about winning a championship?

1794
01:25:08,520 --> 01:25:09,120
Speaker 10: The offensive?

1795
01:25:09,439 --> 01:25:11,839
Speaker 2: How do you protect? You know, you got to protect

1796
01:25:11,840 --> 01:25:14,439
Speaker 2: your your franchise quarterback. You build around him. The defense

1797
01:25:14,520 --> 01:25:15,439
Speaker 2: is way too bad.

1798
01:25:15,280 --> 01:25:20,240
Speaker 10: To his butt. They've been doing just fine with Joff Laco.

1799
01:25:21,240 --> 01:25:23,479
Speaker 10: Do you think that even if Joe Burrow, because it's

1800
01:25:23,600 --> 01:25:27,400
Speaker 10: just a rumor that he could potentially come back for

1801
01:25:27,520 --> 01:25:32,280
Speaker 10: that Thanksgiving primetime game in Baltimore against the Raven idea.

1802
01:25:32,720 --> 01:25:33,559
Speaker 10: You think it's bad.

1803
01:25:33,680 --> 01:25:34,880
Speaker 2: I think it's a bad idea.

1804
01:25:35,439 --> 01:25:38,040
Speaker 10: This is not a playoff team, So why bring your

1805
01:25:38,080 --> 01:25:40,320
Speaker 10: guide back? Now? Granted, I think Joe Burrow has a

1806
01:25:40,400 --> 01:25:43,240
Speaker 10: lot of power over the that's the problem over the

1807
01:25:43,240 --> 01:25:45,120
Speaker 10: front office.

1808
01:25:45,920 --> 01:25:48,080
Speaker 2: Is there anyone there that has the stones to tell

1809
01:25:48,160 --> 01:25:48,800
Speaker 2: Joe Burrow now?

1810
01:25:49,080 --> 01:25:52,040
Speaker 10: I don't think so. I think he's the most powerful

1811
01:25:52,080 --> 01:25:55,080
Speaker 10: person with this organization. And that's going to look really

1812
01:25:55,160 --> 01:25:58,320
Speaker 10: sexy too. You got Joe Burrow versus Lamar Jackson. Two

1813
01:25:58,360 --> 01:26:00,680
Speaker 10: guys have been banged up pretty much the entirety of

1814
01:26:00,720 --> 01:26:04,080
Speaker 10: the season, right, and that looks really good on Thanksgiving nights?

1815
01:26:04,160 --> 01:26:06,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I could see a slam dunk game

1816
01:26:06,160 --> 01:26:08,719
Speaker 2: something like that. You come back, but what's the rush

1817
01:26:08,720 --> 01:26:09,160
Speaker 2: at this point?

1818
01:26:09,320 --> 01:26:11,280
Speaker 10: But do you need to get the revenge right now? Like,

1819
01:26:11,400 --> 01:26:12,439
Speaker 10: just give it the rest.

1820
01:26:12,240 --> 01:26:14,640
Speaker 2: Of this doing the off season at this point or

1821
01:26:14,680 --> 01:26:18,439
Speaker 2: give him a couple now? Again, We'll see what happens

1822
01:26:18,479 --> 01:26:20,680
Speaker 2: with this thing. I just I think it's well. The

1823
01:26:20,720 --> 01:26:22,439
Speaker 2: other issue too, is Trey Hendrickson too?

1824
01:26:22,520 --> 01:26:25,599
Speaker 10: Is Trey Hendrickson? I guess According to U Zach Taylor,

1825
01:26:25,760 --> 01:26:30,799
Speaker 10: he's likely not going to play this weekend. Mike Tomlin

1826
01:26:30,880 --> 01:26:33,120
Speaker 10: with the Steelers, he said, well, we're going to prepare

1827
01:26:33,840 --> 01:26:36,800
Speaker 10: like Trey Hendrickson as playing, so I guess it's not

1828
01:26:37,040 --> 01:26:39,960
Speaker 10: definite that he's not. But I mean, hey, the last

1829
01:26:39,960 --> 01:26:42,520
Speaker 10: time they played the Steelers, they didn't have Trey Hendrickson

1830
01:26:42,680 --> 01:26:45,040
Speaker 10: and they were able to beat them. So what are

1831
01:26:45,080 --> 01:26:47,320
Speaker 10: the chances of them getting it done again this weekend?

1832
01:26:47,479 --> 01:26:49,400
Speaker 2: No, I think you have a better sample size with

1833
01:26:49,479 --> 01:26:52,679
Speaker 2: Flacco and what he's doing. For Tomlin, but he don't

1834
01:26:52,680 --> 01:26:55,360
Speaker 2: trust the Steelers either. It's I don't know.

1835
01:26:55,360 --> 01:26:56,720
Speaker 10: They looked pretty bad over the week.

1836
01:26:57,880 --> 01:26:58,760
Speaker 2: They really really did.

1837
01:26:58,840 --> 01:27:00,920
Speaker 10: They didn't look like the first place Steelers that we've

1838
01:27:00,920 --> 01:27:02,080
Speaker 10: seen for the past few weeks.

1839
01:27:02,160 --> 01:27:04,160
Speaker 2: Soly nine wins gets it done in the division. But

1840
01:27:04,320 --> 01:27:06,439
Speaker 2: do the Bengals have nine wins in I think it's legitimate,

1841
01:27:06,479 --> 01:27:07,360
Speaker 2: even with Burrow in there.

1842
01:27:07,439 --> 01:27:09,680
Speaker 10: Yeah, going into this weekend after the bye, they're at

1843
01:27:09,720 --> 01:27:12,479
Speaker 10: three and six, and if they can beat the Steelers,

1844
01:27:12,520 --> 01:27:14,559
Speaker 10: they'll be three and zero in the division and they

1845
01:27:14,560 --> 01:27:16,880
Speaker 10: still have a chance to win the AFC North. There

1846
01:27:16,880 --> 01:27:19,800
Speaker 10: are still eight games left in the season, plenty of

1847
01:27:19,840 --> 01:27:23,519
Speaker 10: opportunities now, granted, I want to stay optimistic, but the

1848
01:27:23,560 --> 01:27:25,800
Speaker 10: schedule is a little tough. But hey, you can go

1849
01:27:25,840 --> 01:27:28,080
Speaker 10: and beat the Steelers, and then you got the Patriots

1850
01:27:28,120 --> 01:27:29,800
Speaker 10: at home. And then this is where I get a

1851
01:27:29,840 --> 01:27:32,559
Speaker 10: little nervous. You got that primetime game against the Ravens.

1852
01:27:32,600 --> 01:27:34,320
Speaker 10: You got to play the Bills, you got to come

1853
01:27:34,360 --> 01:27:37,439
Speaker 10: back and play the Ravens. I don't know, It's all

1854
01:27:37,520 --> 01:27:39,320
Speaker 10: up in the air, and I think every weekend this

1855
01:27:39,439 --> 01:27:42,519
Speaker 10: team continues to surprise me. You just really never know

1856
01:27:42,560 --> 01:27:45,280
Speaker 10: what you're gonna get. You really don't.

1857
01:27:45,360 --> 01:27:45,760
Speaker 2: I'm good.

1858
01:27:46,000 --> 01:27:47,960
Speaker 10: Like you look at the wins that they've gotten, like, okay,

1859
01:27:47,960 --> 01:27:50,680
Speaker 10: they've I'm sorry, they've gotten the losses with you know,

1860
01:27:50,720 --> 01:27:53,599
Speaker 10: scoring thirty three points, thirty eight points, forty one points,

1861
01:27:53,640 --> 01:27:57,000
Speaker 10: you would think, oh, those are clearly winning points right there.

1862
01:27:57,160 --> 01:27:57,400
Speaker 4: Yep.

1863
01:27:58,680 --> 01:28:01,200
Speaker 10: It just goes to show you how important a really

1864
01:28:01,280 --> 01:28:05,360
Speaker 10: great defense is. And they didn't do anything. They didn't

1865
01:28:05,360 --> 01:28:06,599
Speaker 10: do anything with the defense.

1866
01:28:06,720 --> 01:28:09,360
Speaker 2: You think they tag Hendrickson and probably see I'm going

1867
01:28:09,840 --> 01:28:10,479
Speaker 2: Trey Hendrickson.

1868
01:28:10,520 --> 01:28:13,200
Speaker 10: I'm tired of the Trey Hendrickson drama. I'm so tired

1869
01:28:13,240 --> 01:28:16,160
Speaker 10: of it. Thirty one he SAIDs more than he plays too.

1870
01:28:16,280 --> 01:28:18,439
Speaker 10: I'm just sick of it. It's like, Okay, he's a

1871
01:28:18,479 --> 01:28:20,000
Speaker 10: really nice guy. That's great.

1872
01:28:20,160 --> 01:28:22,519
Speaker 2: He's not helping any nice guys the Bengals need. We've

1873
01:28:22,520 --> 01:28:26,439
Speaker 2: had like a litany of nice guys. John Kittings such

1874
01:28:26,439 --> 01:28:29,560
Speaker 2: a nice guy. He rings you got with John Kittens always.

1875
01:28:29,320 --> 01:28:29,960
Speaker 10: The nice guys.

1876
01:28:30,200 --> 01:28:30,800
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1877
01:28:30,920 --> 01:28:31,400
Speaker 1: I like that.

1878
01:28:31,439 --> 01:28:33,559
Speaker 10: We're seeing some of these guys get pissed off too.

1879
01:28:33,600 --> 01:28:36,360
Speaker 10: I mean, after that loss last weekend, before the bye,

1880
01:28:36,400 --> 01:28:38,160
Speaker 10: you know, Jamar Chase is like, come on, man, I

1881
01:28:38,320 --> 01:28:42,080
Speaker 10: just want to stop. Let's go get fired up. I

1882
01:28:42,120 --> 01:28:43,839
Speaker 10: want to see a fired up Zach Taylor.

1883
01:28:45,280 --> 01:28:47,720
Speaker 2: I don't know. I I had no idea what to

1884
01:28:47,760 --> 01:28:49,439
Speaker 2: expect on Sunday. I really don't. It's a coin.

1885
01:28:49,320 --> 01:28:51,599
Speaker 10: Toss, no idea. My dad texts me the other day,

1886
01:28:51,640 --> 01:28:53,280
Speaker 10: he goes, what do you think is gonna happen on Sunday?

1887
01:28:53,320 --> 01:28:53,760
Speaker 5: I don't know.

1888
01:28:53,920 --> 01:28:56,479
Speaker 10: I don't no clue. He's like, you have a score prediction? Nope,

1889
01:28:56,600 --> 01:28:57,040
Speaker 10: sure don't.

1890
01:28:57,040 --> 01:28:59,599
Speaker 2: Couldn't tell you, Nope, couldn't tell you what. No team

1891
01:28:59,600 --> 01:29:01,200
Speaker 2: shows up, what defense shows about that.

1892
01:29:01,200 --> 01:29:04,400
Speaker 10: They could score fifty five points, fifty six fifty five.

1893
01:29:05,120 --> 01:29:07,280
Speaker 10: It's a little bit different feels again, I really really

1894
01:29:07,360 --> 01:29:09,280
Speaker 10: want to be optimistic. I feel like if they can

1895
01:29:09,320 --> 01:29:11,679
Speaker 10: go and beat the Steelers this weekend, they really can

1896
01:29:11,880 --> 01:29:14,120
Speaker 10: do it. This would turn things around.

1897
01:29:14,360 --> 01:29:16,439
Speaker 2: Don't you think that would make Joe's to feel a

1898
01:29:16,479 --> 01:29:16,960
Speaker 2: lot better.

1899
01:29:17,040 --> 01:29:20,000
Speaker 10: Joe's like, hmmmm, well, And it's really interesting to hear

1900
01:29:20,080 --> 01:29:23,240
Speaker 10: Joe Burrow talk about Joe Flacco and kind of learning

1901
01:29:23,240 --> 01:29:26,120
Speaker 10: from this guy. I mean, he's been in the locker room,

1902
01:29:26,160 --> 01:29:28,080
Speaker 10: he's been at the practices, he's been at the meetings,

1903
01:29:28,120 --> 01:29:30,760
Speaker 10: and he goes. I'm really entertained by Joe Flacco. I

1904
01:29:30,840 --> 01:29:33,400
Speaker 10: like watching him play. I'm learning a lot from him.

1905
01:29:33,439 --> 01:29:35,640
Speaker 10: He's a really nice guy and knows this stuff. So

1906
01:29:36,280 --> 01:29:37,960
Speaker 10: Joe's got a lot of respect for Joe. I got

1907
01:29:38,000 --> 01:29:39,760
Speaker 10: two good jos that we're working with here.

1908
01:29:39,960 --> 01:29:40,080
Speaker 4: Good.

1909
01:29:40,200 --> 01:29:44,679
Speaker 10: I think he's your backup too, Jo, Joe Burrow is, yes,

1910
01:29:45,680 --> 01:29:48,200
Speaker 10: And I think Joe Flacco is a really good fit

1911
01:29:48,320 --> 01:29:51,240
Speaker 10: with this town too. He's out in the city like,

1912
01:29:51,280 --> 01:29:53,680
Speaker 10: he's mingling with people. He's really likable.

1913
01:29:53,960 --> 01:29:55,599
Speaker 2: I don't care if you're I don't care if you're

1914
01:29:55,600 --> 01:29:57,680
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers. As long as you're winning football games. I

1915
01:29:57,680 --> 01:29:58,639
Speaker 2: don't care if you're a nice guy.

1916
01:29:58,800 --> 01:30:00,519
Speaker 10: What I love most about him is that he connecting

1917
01:30:00,520 --> 01:30:02,519
Speaker 10: with Jamar and he's connecting with Tea and he's getting

1918
01:30:02,520 --> 01:30:04,559
Speaker 10: stuff done. He's getting stuff done for the offense.

1919
01:30:05,280 --> 01:30:06,879
Speaker 2: The defense, that's.

1920
01:30:06,720 --> 01:30:08,920
Speaker 10: Your issue, and it's the same defense every year.

1921
01:30:09,080 --> 01:30:11,280
Speaker 2: Just rest show. There's no reason to bring Burrow back

1922
01:30:11,280 --> 01:30:12,040
Speaker 2: into this mess.

1923
01:30:12,320 --> 01:30:14,880
Speaker 10: I I just have a feeling he's hard headed and

1924
01:30:14,880 --> 01:30:16,840
Speaker 10: he's gonna want to get out there on Thanksgiving night

1925
01:30:16,840 --> 01:30:18,479
Speaker 10: and get the revenge because we know what happened the

1926
01:30:18,560 --> 01:30:19,280
Speaker 10: last time that he.

1927
01:30:19,240 --> 01:30:20,880
Speaker 2: Was in Well, I want to see who runs the team.

1928
01:30:20,920 --> 01:30:22,479
Speaker 2: At some point, you gotta go, look, guess, is this

1929
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Speaker 2: not in anyone's best interest to jeopardize that?

1930
01:30:24,720 --> 01:30:27,479
Speaker 10: And you're probably if you're the Bengals, what happened to Washington?

1931
01:30:27,760 --> 01:30:29,439
Speaker 10: If you're yeah, And if you're the Bengals, you're sitting

1932
01:30:29,439 --> 01:30:31,759
Speaker 10: there like, look, we're paying you half a billion dollars.

1933
01:30:32,360 --> 01:30:34,000
Speaker 10: Why don't you just take it easy and let Joe

1934
01:30:34,040 --> 01:30:35,000
Speaker 10: Flacco take us one.

1935
01:30:35,360 --> 01:30:37,639
Speaker 2: Lu's see till we get some Yeah, what else you got?

1936
01:30:37,640 --> 01:30:38,000
Speaker 2: But we got?

1937
01:30:38,040 --> 01:30:41,360
Speaker 10: Yeah? The next few weeks will be obviously very very telling.

1938
01:30:42,439 --> 01:30:44,680
Speaker 10: Let's see what else do we have. I don't know

1939
01:30:44,680 --> 01:30:47,080
Speaker 10: they're going to get back to practice today. They'll be

1940
01:30:47,120 --> 01:30:51,240
Speaker 10: on the road on Saturday. Let's switch to Reds. Just

1941
01:30:51,240 --> 01:30:53,719
Speaker 10: one hundred and thirty four days until Red's opening.

1942
01:30:53,800 --> 01:30:57,920
Speaker 2: Cotten a Tonner Reds open. How about Tito second place?

1943
01:30:57,960 --> 01:30:58,240
Speaker 4: For Man?

1944
01:30:58,520 --> 01:31:03,000
Speaker 10: That's ridiculous, stupid Brewers. I think it's fixed. You should

1945
01:31:03,000 --> 01:31:04,160
Speaker 10: have gotten the first place.

1946
01:31:04,600 --> 01:31:06,800
Speaker 2: I mean, when's the last time that has been Brea

1947
01:31:06,880 --> 01:31:08,479
Speaker 2: considered for Cincinnati Reds fans?

1948
01:31:08,600 --> 01:31:11,080
Speaker 10: Ever, I don't think that's ever happened. Actually, I'm a

1949
01:31:11,160 --> 01:31:12,760
Speaker 10: Tito stan I love this dude.

1950
01:31:12,880 --> 01:31:14,439
Speaker 2: Doesn't mean I mean he got the most out of

1951
01:31:14,439 --> 01:31:15,200
Speaker 2: this team you could get.

1952
01:31:15,600 --> 01:31:18,000
Speaker 10: He still got into the playoffs. He said, look, you

1953
01:31:18,080 --> 01:31:21,080
Speaker 10: got a sample of the champagne. Think of that moment,

1954
01:31:21,240 --> 01:31:24,120
Speaker 10: think of that feeling. Taste the champagne again, and let's

1955
01:31:24,120 --> 01:31:25,200
Speaker 10: go a lot further with it.

1956
01:31:25,320 --> 01:31:27,400
Speaker 2: Well, and it's a lot on that front. That's a

1957
01:31:27,439 --> 01:31:29,160
Speaker 2: lot of Nikkral more than there's anybody else.

1958
01:31:29,200 --> 01:31:31,600
Speaker 10: Absolutely, it is lots of pressure there. What do you

1959
01:31:31,600 --> 01:31:34,160
Speaker 10: think about the rumors with trading Hunter Green? That's been

1960
01:31:34,200 --> 01:31:38,240
Speaker 10: like the biggest where these come from from beat writers

1961
01:31:38,600 --> 01:31:41,479
Speaker 10: got nothing better? They like the clicks.

1962
01:31:42,320 --> 01:31:44,880
Speaker 2: It's like the NFL network, right, NFL Network, What do

1963
01:31:44,920 --> 01:31:46,960
Speaker 2: you do after the Super Bowl? We have, we go

1964
01:31:47,040 --> 01:31:51,240
Speaker 2: to lists, we make a list immediately content and that's

1965
01:31:51,360 --> 01:31:52,080
Speaker 2: that's the game.

1966
01:31:51,960 --> 01:31:54,439
Speaker 10: And you know what's trending. And obviously Hunter Green not

1967
01:31:54,520 --> 01:31:56,280
Speaker 10: able to get it done in the playoffs and people

1968
01:31:56,280 --> 01:31:58,160
Speaker 10: are like, well, should we just trade him because he

1969
01:31:58,200 --> 01:32:02,200
Speaker 10: can't handle postseason baseball and he melts down on the mound.

1970
01:32:03,439 --> 01:32:07,200
Speaker 2: It was a very small sample to get one game,

1971
01:32:08,600 --> 01:32:11,960
Speaker 2: and I was like, damn against the Dodgers the World Series,

1972
01:32:12,120 --> 01:32:13,720
Speaker 2: champing brain surgery here.

1973
01:32:13,800 --> 01:32:15,920
Speaker 10: I'm still glad that the Dodgers got it done.

1974
01:32:17,000 --> 01:32:18,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wanted the Jason, but that's I know.

1975
01:32:19,120 --> 01:32:20,720
Speaker 10: But it's like, if you're gonna lose, you know, like

1976
01:32:20,760 --> 01:32:22,400
Speaker 10: I said, I'm a salty Reds fan. I'm like, hey,

1977
01:32:22,400 --> 01:32:23,760
Speaker 10: if you're gonna lose, it might as well be to

1978
01:32:23,800 --> 01:32:24,479
Speaker 10: the World Series.

1979
01:32:24,560 --> 01:32:26,479
Speaker 2: Chance say this, there's something good news coming is the

1980
01:32:26,520 --> 01:32:28,240
Speaker 2: fact that a Reds Fest is back.

1981
01:32:28,360 --> 01:32:29,680
Speaker 10: That's what I was just going to talk about. Is

1982
01:32:29,840 --> 01:32:33,600
Speaker 10: Reds Fest officially back at the brand new Are we

1983
01:32:33,640 --> 01:32:36,320
Speaker 10: calling it the Duke Energy? You can go you can

1984
01:32:36,360 --> 01:32:39,000
Speaker 10: still Duke Energy. Okay, this is going to be the

1985
01:32:39,040 --> 01:32:43,840
Speaker 10: first event happening at this big convention center, not in

1986
01:32:43,880 --> 01:32:46,479
Speaker 10: December though usually this is like a first weekend of

1987
01:32:46,520 --> 01:32:51,040
Speaker 10: December sort of thing, Friday January sixteenth and then Saturday

1988
01:32:51,400 --> 01:32:54,639
Speaker 10: January seventeenth, So they've got all the details on reds

1989
01:32:54,800 --> 01:32:58,840
Speaker 10: dot com slash Reds Fest took last year off, so

1990
01:32:58,880 --> 01:33:00,639
Speaker 10: that way, that way they could get this whole thing

1991
01:33:00,760 --> 01:33:04,920
Speaker 10: done and reconstructed. But yeah, I'm excited about this. I

1992
01:33:04,960 --> 01:33:05,679
Speaker 10: love this event.

1993
01:33:05,800 --> 01:33:07,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's always fun to see, especially if the

1994
01:33:07,720 --> 01:33:09,559
Speaker 2: year off it's like a little and then new convention.

1995
01:33:09,760 --> 01:33:11,240
Speaker 10: Yeah, it kind of gets too excited. It's going to

1996
01:33:11,280 --> 01:33:15,120
Speaker 10: be the month before pitchers and catchers report, which music

1997
01:33:15,160 --> 01:33:18,320
Speaker 10: to my ears, I mean just a month out from that.

1998
01:33:18,439 --> 01:33:19,439
Speaker 10: Really once you're.

1999
01:33:19,680 --> 01:33:22,280
Speaker 2: Quickly looking for we just turned the clocks last weekend

2000
01:33:22,320 --> 01:33:24,200
Speaker 2: and now we're already looking forward to to turn it

2001
01:33:24,240 --> 01:33:24,920
Speaker 2: back to where they were.

2002
01:33:25,120 --> 01:33:28,320
Speaker 10: Dude, I've already started blanning my trip to Arizona. I'm like,

2003
01:33:28,520 --> 01:33:28,960
Speaker 10: let's go.

2004
01:33:29,280 --> 01:33:30,200
Speaker 2: The best time with your.

2005
01:33:30,240 --> 01:33:31,880
Speaker 10: Baseball season is absolutely the best.

2006
01:33:32,040 --> 01:33:36,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, rubber than Joe's toe at this point.

2007
01:33:36,400 --> 01:33:40,040
Speaker 10: Oh what, it's always a toe something that we should

2008
01:33:40,040 --> 01:33:43,479
Speaker 10: be really excited about. F C Cincinnati Hell is very

2009
01:33:43,520 --> 01:33:46,120
Speaker 10: real for the Columbus crew. That match on Saturday night

2010
01:33:46,360 --> 01:33:48,640
Speaker 10: was awesome. The last thirty minutes.

2011
01:33:48,439 --> 01:33:50,599
Speaker 2: The best act in town right now when it comes

2012
01:33:50,640 --> 01:33:54,280
Speaker 2: to playoff championship level. I mean, they shook the monkey

2013
01:33:54,320 --> 01:33:57,760
Speaker 2: after back was great, amazing. I've talked to Tommy G.

2014
01:33:58,800 --> 01:34:01,760
Speaker 10: You did a great His call was awesome. That's all

2015
01:34:01,760 --> 01:34:03,920
Speaker 10: over social media. That was trending, and I love that

2016
01:34:03,960 --> 01:34:05,280
Speaker 10: he adds those videos.

2017
01:34:05,400 --> 01:34:09,280
Speaker 2: The Spanish call good yeah, which is a thriller inside. Nah.

2018
01:34:09,320 --> 01:34:10,920
Speaker 2: But I mean, you know, if you're not into that stuff,

2019
01:34:10,920 --> 01:34:13,080
Speaker 2: at least maybe try to watch a playoff game somewhere.

2020
01:34:13,320 --> 01:34:14,600
Speaker 2: I think you kind of get into because at the

2021
01:34:14,600 --> 01:34:16,320
Speaker 2: pace of the game, it was incredible. It was a

2022
01:34:16,400 --> 01:34:18,040
Speaker 2: nail bite, it was a very exciting.

2023
01:34:17,720 --> 01:34:20,840
Speaker 10: It was so good. Lots of defense for that first half.

2024
01:34:20,880 --> 01:34:23,240
Speaker 10: But yeah, the last thirty minutes gave us everything that

2025
01:34:23,280 --> 01:34:25,200
Speaker 10: we needed. And hey, if you want to get like

2026
01:34:25,479 --> 01:34:28,799
Speaker 10: your sports, your since e sports Phil in one day.

2027
01:34:29,080 --> 01:34:31,000
Speaker 10: The next Bengals home game is going to be against

2028
01:34:31,040 --> 01:34:33,920
Speaker 10: the Patriots at one o'clock. Then you've got FC Cincinnati

2029
01:34:34,280 --> 01:34:38,320
Speaker 10: hosting Miami at five o'clock, and it's a blue out,

2030
01:34:38,320 --> 01:34:40,639
Speaker 10: so you're going to go from orange and black to blue.

2031
01:34:41,439 --> 01:34:44,760
Speaker 10: This could be a really great day for Cincinnati, and

2032
01:34:44,800 --> 01:34:46,479
Speaker 10: I want to believe that it's going to be awesome.

2033
01:34:46,640 --> 01:34:47,920
Speaker 10: I want to believe we can go to and O

2034
01:34:48,040 --> 01:34:51,280
Speaker 10: that day on the twenty third. All right, good, so yeah,

2035
01:34:51,320 --> 01:34:52,400
Speaker 10: lots of good stuff to look for.

2036
01:34:52,560 --> 01:34:54,400
Speaker 2: It's a great look for somebody get shot.

2037
01:34:54,960 --> 01:34:58,760
Speaker 10: Well, no, why would you say that. I wasn't even

2038
01:34:58,840 --> 01:35:00,840
Speaker 10: thinking about that. You are now, you know I go

2039
01:35:00,880 --> 01:35:02,720
Speaker 10: to these games. I'm like, that is the last thing

2040
01:35:02,760 --> 01:35:06,240
Speaker 10: that's on my mind. Worried about these guys scoring points,

2041
01:35:06,680 --> 01:35:09,719
Speaker 10: the defense doing their job. I don't want to defend

2042
01:35:09,720 --> 01:35:10,719
Speaker 10: myself from a bullet.

2043
01:35:13,000 --> 01:35:14,960
Speaker 2: Well, they try to downplay that too, a little bitter

2044
01:35:15,000 --> 01:35:16,400
Speaker 2: and some of the.

2045
01:35:16,439 --> 01:35:17,640
Speaker 10: Crimes, you're ridiculous.

2046
01:35:17,920 --> 01:35:20,560
Speaker 2: Also going on, like Willie because he's coming up in

2047
01:35:20,600 --> 01:35:24,720
Speaker 2: a few minutes. Heirs know. That's like Gona, It's like

2048
01:35:24,800 --> 01:35:26,760
Speaker 2: going to Venezuela.

2049
01:35:28,040 --> 01:35:32,320
Speaker 10: Also going on this weekend. On Friday night. On Friday Night,

2050
01:35:32,400 --> 01:35:35,600
Speaker 10: go downtown and support your Cincinnati Cyclones. Puck drop at

2051
01:35:35,640 --> 01:35:39,519
Speaker 10: seven thirty. It's military Appreciation night. So they're doing like

2052
01:35:39,560 --> 01:35:41,840
Speaker 10: a really cool camo hat giveaway. It's five to one,

2053
01:35:41,920 --> 01:35:44,760
Speaker 10: three nights. So you got five dollars craft drafts, one

2054
01:35:44,800 --> 01:35:48,559
Speaker 10: dollar popcorns, three dollar burgers. Well, they have to do

2055
01:35:48,600 --> 01:35:50,439
Speaker 10: it because that's the next home game that they have.

2056
01:35:50,520 --> 01:35:52,160
Speaker 10: They're out of town. They actually have a they had

2057
01:35:52,600 --> 01:35:55,240
Speaker 10: a road game today at ten thirty in the morning.

2058
01:35:55,800 --> 01:35:57,760
Speaker 10: It's like their kids field trip day.

2059
01:35:58,520 --> 01:35:59,920
Speaker 2: Oh, kids day, kids day.

2060
01:36:00,080 --> 01:36:02,400
Speaker 10: Yeah, on the road they do the kids field trip

2061
01:36:02,479 --> 01:36:04,360
Speaker 10: day here next Tuesday.

2062
01:36:04,600 --> 01:36:06,160
Speaker 2: Yeah. I love that when they do like the little

2063
01:36:06,240 --> 01:36:06,880
Speaker 2: day game for the kids.

2064
01:36:06,880 --> 01:36:09,000
Speaker 10: It's pretty cool. It's fun. They got like fun activities

2065
01:36:09,080 --> 01:36:11,680
Speaker 10: up on the new uh scoreboard sound right right?

2066
01:36:11,720 --> 01:36:13,160
Speaker 2: And dollar beer's too, fith kids, So.

2067
01:36:13,080 --> 01:36:15,200
Speaker 10: It's good dollar everyone's having fun.

2068
01:36:15,240 --> 01:36:18,840
Speaker 2: Yes, good time. Sarah Lisa's snort reported things sports related.

2069
01:36:18,840 --> 01:36:20,640
Speaker 2: You're caught up in this a midweek she is on

2070
01:36:20,680 --> 01:36:23,040
Speaker 2: the kid Christial Mornings on one O two seven e

2071
01:36:23,200 --> 01:36:23,760
Speaker 2: b N.

2072
01:36:24,240 --> 01:36:25,519
Speaker 10: Of course, I think I got everything out.

2073
01:36:25,560 --> 01:36:29,080
Speaker 2: You got everything in there, Joe fcc jo.

2074
01:36:29,400 --> 01:36:31,679
Speaker 10: Cyclones one hundred and thirty four days still opening day.

2075
01:36:32,280 --> 01:36:34,519
Speaker 2: What a time you get cringey about toes that I noticed.

2076
01:36:34,680 --> 01:36:37,080
Speaker 10: Yeah, I don't like the tones.

2077
01:36:36,920 --> 01:36:37,439
Speaker 1: You do too.

2078
01:36:37,520 --> 01:36:39,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, how much money you make that up for your

2079
01:36:39,000 --> 01:36:42,720
Speaker 2: only fans? I was, I was, she gets all these perverse.

2080
01:36:42,760 --> 01:36:43,559
Speaker 10: Picks right now.

2081
01:36:43,600 --> 01:36:46,680
Speaker 2: If you can give Lisa money.

2082
01:36:46,840 --> 01:36:49,800
Speaker 10: To actually need a bed, A picture how are you

2083
01:36:49,800 --> 01:36:52,599
Speaker 10: get turned on by that freak? I don't understand these

2084
01:36:52,600 --> 01:36:57,160
Speaker 10: feet freaks. Yeah, but for Joe's toe, we're very invested. Yeah,

2085
01:36:57,160 --> 01:36:58,599
Speaker 10: I don't want to look at it, but I'm still

2086
01:36:58,600 --> 01:37:01,800
Speaker 10: invested a topic. We need one hundred percent chot on

2087
01:37:01,840 --> 01:37:02,240
Speaker 10: the toe.

2088
01:37:02,520 --> 01:37:05,560
Speaker 2: Toe Burrow then asked hairy toeh, thanks again, appreciate it.

2089
01:37:05,600 --> 01:37:08,639
Speaker 2: Willie's on the way. Coming up next. Seven hundred W. Dow, Cincinnati,