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Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Dan Ray on Wbsy's Costin's new Radio.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Al, Welcome, Welcome to a Night's Side on Bradley

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Speaker 2: jay In for Dan. You know, when the pandemic started,

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Speaker 2: we all started watching a lot of TV. Who started

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Speaker 2: started burning out on our regular viewing habits. I did,

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Speaker 2: and I switched to a YouTube west. I watched a

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Speaker 2: lot of YouTube because you can learn a lot there,

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Speaker 2: super interesting. But then I burned through every biography. I

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Speaker 2: burned through so much history. Uh, and then I was

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Speaker 2: looking for something different, and then one day it happened

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Speaker 2: upon something called Words Unraveled. Actually, I happened upon another

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Speaker 2: podcast called Rob Words, and I liked the guy, Rob Watts,

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Speaker 2: who did that.

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Speaker 3: He's great. And then I saw this other.

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Speaker 2: Podcast, this other yeah podcast, I guess you'd say, YouTube

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Speaker 2: channel called Words Unraveled. It featured Rob with a co

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Speaker 2: host named Jesse Faris. And happily we have just with

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Speaker 2: us tonight and we're going to have some fun with words.

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Speaker 2: Are you a word person? Well, some of you are.

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Speaker 2: I know that. And if you have any questions or

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Speaker 2: any if maybe you want to stump Jess. Jess is

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Speaker 2: really good at idioms idioms are these sayings that are used,

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Speaker 2: but you know, you use them, but you may not

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Speaker 2: know what the what they really mean, what the origin

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Speaker 2: is of them. I love that and maybe you like

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Speaker 2: that too. She knows a million of them and maybe

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Speaker 2: maybe though maybe you could stump her, or maybe you

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Speaker 2: have a genuine question like where does the phrase hangover

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Speaker 2: come from?

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Speaker 3: Et cetera.

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Speaker 2: Also, we're going to find out about the the origin

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Speaker 2: of words, the meaning of words we use all the

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Speaker 2: time and don't think about it.

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Speaker 3: Like sports, most of the words we use we have no.

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Speaker 2: Idea where they came from, and therefore no idea of

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Speaker 2: how they were originally used and how the original users

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Speaker 2: thought about the thing that we're talking about. So we're

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Speaker 2: going to get right into that right away with Jess.

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Speaker 2: So far as Hi, Jess, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 4: Hi, how are you doing. It's nice to talk to you, Bradley, it's.

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Speaker 3: To speak with you. It's great to hear your voice. Now.

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Speaker 2: Jess has is the co host of Words Unraveled, and

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Speaker 2: you're the author of Useless etymology. Can you talk a

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Speaker 2: little bit about about why would call it useless? And

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Speaker 2: that seems like a counterproductive title, but I bet there's

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Speaker 2: a reason that's true.

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Speaker 5: But my newest book is called Useless Etymology.

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Speaker 4: It's my third one, and obviously I don't actually think

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Speaker 4: etymology is useless, otherwise I wouldn't write books about it.

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Speaker 4: The title is a little jab at the notion that

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Speaker 4: learning about word origins is pointless fun. But learning about

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Speaker 4: etymology can advance literacy and reading, comprehension and vocabulary. It

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Speaker 4: can contact extrualized words and history. It can it can

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Speaker 4: help you be more creative and stand out from this

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Speaker 4: sea of robotic, AI generated sameness. And it helps you

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Speaker 4: learn about any discipline, like if you want to learn

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Speaker 4: about astronomy, then looking at the terms we use for

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Speaker 4: those disciplines tells us a lot about the way our

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Speaker 4: ancestors viewed the universe and helps us dip our toes

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Speaker 4: into the topic.

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Speaker 2: You have a local connection. You spend time in Boston

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Speaker 2: because you teach at Emerson.

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Speaker 3: Is that correct?

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Speaker 4: That is correct. I'm an adjunct professor in the Writing,

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Speaker 4: Literature and Publishing department at Emerson.

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Speaker 2: That's fun. It's fun to talk to anyone with kind

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Speaker 2: of a local connection. Where do you when you come

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Speaker 2: to town, where do you hang out?

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Speaker 4: Oh, that's a good question. Mostly in the common I

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Speaker 4: love the park over there. I like to be outdoors.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So when did you, before we get into this completely,

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Speaker 2: when did you notice that you liked words more than

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Speaker 2: the rest, more than your friends? And talking about the

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Speaker 4: You know what. It actually started in high school. I

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Speaker 4: was in a French class and the French teacher, Madame Quinn,

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Speaker 4: She she told us like, how could you? How could

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Speaker 4: that time called Useless Etymology, and I've been writing about

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Speaker 4: it ever since, and it's been about fifteen years now,

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Speaker 4: and it's been a delight.

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Speaker 2: Did you ever think that you'd make your living doing

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Speaker 2: this thing that you love to do?

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Speaker 4: I didn't even I didn't dream that it could make

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Speaker 4: writing my kid's book, Once upon a Word, and then

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Speaker 4: from there it came to life.

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Speaker 3: My father.

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Speaker 2: My father used to say that no matter what it is,

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Speaker 2: if you keep, if you do something well enough, sooner or.

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Speaker 3: Later someone will pay you to do it. And in

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Speaker 3: your case that happen.

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Speaker 4: It's true, it's true. I'd say about half of my

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Speaker 4: income comes from word origins, which is fantastic.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you must have a handle on about how many

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Speaker 2: whereas there are in the end English language, and also

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Speaker 2: a handle on how few words we actually use.

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Speaker 3: There are so.

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Speaker 2: Many wonderful words, and we use very a small percentage

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Speaker 3: Is shrinking. That must be disturbing to you.

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Speaker 4: I would say there's a degree of creativity in the

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Speaker 5: Now there are about the estimates.

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Speaker 4: Range around a million for the estimated number of words

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Speaker 4: in English, but fourteen point seven new words are born

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Speaker 5: That's like one.

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Speaker 4: Word every ninety eight minutes, or fifty four hundred per year,

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Speaker 4: and about a thousand are added to English dictionaries annually.

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Speaker 4: So to say that we use fewer words might be

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Speaker 3: Well done. While we're on the new words, what are

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Speaker 3: a few two words that have made the cut?

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Speaker 4: Well, we'll see if six seven six around. But for

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Speaker 4: what it's worth, skibbity has already been added to the

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Speaker 4: Cambridge Dictionary, and lol.

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Speaker 5: Was added in the nineteen eighties as well.

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Speaker 2: Wow, all right before and we will get into such

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Speaker 2: things as Christmas words, sports words, emotion words, woodland woodland words.

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Speaker 2: I like time words, and you mentioned astronomy. Maybe that's

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Speaker 2: on the table too. That would be fun.

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Speaker 3: And we'll talk about idioms. Can you explain what an

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, an idiom is a turn of phrase, So when

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Speaker 4: you ask there. When you wish someone who's going on

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Speaker 4: sort of reverse good luck, but you don't actually want

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Speaker 4: them to break a leg. Similarly, we say by the

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Speaker 4: skin of your teeth, but of course there's not exactly

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Speaker 4: a skin on your teeth. Idiom comes from It comes

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Speaker 4: in the King James version, Job, describing his suffering and

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Speaker 4: my teeth. So the idea here is my skin and

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Speaker 4: flesh cling to my bones, and I'm left with only

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Speaker 2: Okay, we're all going to get wicked smart during this

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Speaker 3: It's going to be fun, especially if.

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Speaker 2: You're a word person and there's nobody out there that's

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Speaker 2: not going to learn something fun that makes you say,

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Speaker 2: oh my god, I didn't know that it's worth it.

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Speaker 2: Trusts me, it's worth spending the next forty five minutes

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Speaker 2: with Jesse Firis and me here on WBZ News Radio

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Speaker 2: ten thirty.

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Speaker 1: You're on night Side with Dan Ray on WBZY, Boston's

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Speaker 1: news radio.

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Speaker 2: In the near future, you know, tomorrow maybe. If you're

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Speaker 2: floating around online looking for something different, little, something different,

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Speaker 2: not your go to stuff, why don't you just type

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Speaker 2: in words Unraveled and check that out. It's a really

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Speaker 2: cool YouTube channel. It's about words, and the two people

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Speaker 2: that run this are like the Michael Jordan's of words.

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Speaker 2: please do. We're so lucky to have you. Just let's

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Speaker 4: Yeah, this one's interesting. It's from the term it's it's

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Speaker 4: short for this sport, which was a word for a diversion,

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Speaker 4: the old French deporte, meaning to divert or to amuse

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Speaker 4: or to seek amusement etymologically something that carries you away

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Speaker 4: you know, it makes sense when we consider that sport

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Speaker 4: hunting or doing something for sport means doesn't necessarily mean

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Speaker 4: that you're playing an athletic sport, but that you're entertaining yourself.

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Speaker 3: The sports are generally distractions.

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Speaker 3: For the rest of us, it is a distraction. We

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Speaker 2: For the man or the woman, and we want to

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Speaker 2: think of the way the Romans used sports directly as

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Speaker 3: So that really makes sense, and.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely what about some of the actual sports in other words,

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Speaker 4: Well, Soccer is a fun one because it's you know,

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Speaker 4: we think of that as being the American name.

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Speaker 5: For the sport versus football in.

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Speaker 4: The UK and many other countries, so soccer is short

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Speaker 4: for association Association football was distinguished from rugby football in

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Speaker 2: Where was that Smith, That's where women started playing basketball?

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Speaker 2: Okay, anything else in sports before we moved to another category.

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Speaker 4: Oh plenty. Baseball is a bit fun. It dates back

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Speaker 4: Though, is the many idioms that have come from baseball,

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Speaker 2: So when you're going, when you're alarm clock rings in

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Speaker 4: It's from a root, originally meaning to divide that root

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Speaker 5: It's not a thing that flows on its own, but

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Speaker 3: Did like, okay, So that's interesting to divide up.

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Speaker 5: It's imitative in origin. It's think of like an automatopoeia.

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Speaker 4: Time, a secondary way of dividing our time, which is

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Speaker 3: That's a whole lot of fun as well. Coming up

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Speaker 2: We continue it Jess Tofrus and we're talking about words.

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Speaker 2: It's no, it's no skin off your back. Where does

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Speaker 3: Jess? Maybe maybe you don't know.

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Speaker 4: See you know what you have me something on that one.

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Speaker 2: Where does the phrase no skin off your back come from?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, gladly so a little crash course here.

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Speaker 2: big event? Was that a big event linguistically too?

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Speaker 5: Absolutely?

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Speaker 4: That is the reason why English has so many Latin

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Speaker 4: terms in it. Certainly some may have been introduced later

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Speaker 4: had not the Norman invasion happened. But that's rewriting a

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Speaker 4: huge chunk of history itself.

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Speaker 3: Wow. So let's go to Neil and water down again.

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Speaker 3: Give another show, Neil.

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Speaker 2: You're on with Jess Jess and we're talking about words

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Speaker 2: and the word origins and things like that.

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Speaker 6: Okay, thank you, Bradley, and hello Jess. Then I heard

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Speaker 6: you mentioned the word astronomy. So what first came to

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Speaker 6: my mind? I do a little. I like the Shakespeare sonnets.

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Speaker 6: So in Sonnets fourteen and fifteen, they're kind of like

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Speaker 6: a fifteen is kind of like a sequel to fourteen.

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Speaker 6: Fourteen starts out not from the stars? Do I my

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Speaker 6: judgment plucked? But yet he thinks I have astronomy. And

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Speaker 6: so you look in the explanatory notes and they say astrology.

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Speaker 6: But from when I understand the early astrologers, although they

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Speaker 6: might they got it wrong in some ways but they did.

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Speaker 6: They were systematic in the way they plotted the heavens.

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Speaker 6: So astronomy was the word that Shakespeare used in the

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Speaker 6: couplet to fourteen. And this site prognosticate by end is

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Speaker 6: truth and beauty's doom and date. So you go to

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Speaker 6: fifteen and fifteen. The first the first quad train is

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Speaker 6: when I consider everything that grows bo it's in perfection,

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Speaker 6: but a little moment that this huge stage presented, not

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Speaker 6: but shows were on the stars in secret influenced commons.

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Speaker 6: So there are two I believe. If I'm not wrong,

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Speaker 6: I'm just an amateur.

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Speaker 3: But that's cool.

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Speaker 2: So you've taken us in the direction of astronomy. That's good, Neil,

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Speaker 2: thank you very much. That was on our list.

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Speaker 3: Why here's at let's here's some astronomy words from Neil.

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Speaker 4: That's beautiful. To Neil's point, astrology and astronomy have flip

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Speaker 4: flapped in meaning a bit since.

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Speaker 5: Their earliest days.

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Speaker 4: Astrology used to be the more mathematical variation of versus astronomy,

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Speaker 4: though they were both either scientific or more occult studies

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Speaker 4: of heavenly bodies and used to foretell the futures. So, uh,

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Speaker 4: one way or another, as far as like the prediction

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Speaker 4: of events. But some of my favorite terms in the

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Speaker 4: field of astronomy that have interesting word origins are the

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Speaker 4: word where it's For example, galaxy is originally from the

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Speaker 4: Greek phrase galaxious key close, meaning milky circle, and funny enough,

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Speaker 4: that means that lactose, the sugar present in milk, is

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Speaker 4: cognate with galaxy. And it also means that the milky

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Speaker 4: to If you say the milky way galaxy, you're repeating yourself,

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Speaker 4: the milky milky.

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Speaker 2: Way la right there, right, yes, lack ta lactase.

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Speaker 4: Wow, that's right.

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Speaker 3: And then I love that one. That's a good one,

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Speaker 3: thank you.

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Speaker 4: The word planet literally means wandering. It comes from the

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Speaker 4: Greek phrase a series planet time, meaning wandering stars because

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Speaker 4: you could observe them moving even in the age days.

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Speaker 3: Right, Those are both fantastic.

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Speaker 4: And then one of my favorites, it's just that the

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Speaker 4: word astronaut quite literally means a star, sailor astro not.

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Speaker 2: Those are great, are you you? I love astronomy. I'm

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Speaker 2: with Neil. He likes Shakespeare and his references to astrona bit.

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Speaker 2: Astronomy was I think my favorite of course in college

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Speaker 2: that's of course not important here. It's Christmas time kind

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Speaker 2: of in some ways it's Christmas time. What about some

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Speaker 2: Christmas words?

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Speaker 4: Oh? Good one? Okay, So one of my favorites is Mary,

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Speaker 4: as in Merry Christmas. It's ultimately from a proto Germanic route,

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Speaker 4: meaning short lasting, with the current sense arising from the

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Speaker 4: notion of something pleasant that makes time fly. And the

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Speaker 4: word merth is the noun form of Mary. It's made

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Speaker 4: in the same fashion as truth from true, depths from

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Speaker 4: deep strength, from strong mersed from Mary. Isn't that lovely?

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Speaker 3: Yes? It is. By the way, you, being a word person,

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Speaker 3: are you also perhaps a poet?

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Speaker 6: I am.

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Speaker 5: I wish that I were.

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Speaker 4: I tie lack rhythm, but I do try to be

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Speaker 4: at least a little clever with my pros.

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Speaker 2: Well, like the way you read that was, was it

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Speaker 2: approached poetry? The way that that unravels there, the way

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Speaker 2: it unraveled what you did there, which of course is

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Speaker 2: a reference to words Unraveled. Jess's YouTube along with Rob

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Speaker 2: rob Words Rob Watts channel, it's called words Unraveled. If

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Speaker 2: you want more of Jess later on, let's see it

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Speaker 2: was about a minute two three before the break you

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Speaker 2: mentioned that there were acronyms that are words, But there

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Speaker 2: are some words that people think are acronyms in there

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Speaker 2: not words.

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Speaker 3: Can you open busts some of those myths.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, you'll often see it said that. For example, the

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Speaker 4: word posh is an acronym. It's usually said to mean

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Speaker 4: port outward starboard home, and most likely that's not true,

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Speaker 4: and we can tell because we have earlier records of

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Speaker 4: it than the supposed acronym. So the word posh is

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Speaker 4: most likely adopted from thieves can't or Romani slang word

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Speaker 4: for money or coin. But the suppose that it is

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Speaker 4: fun to talk about the theory here and the notion

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Speaker 4: that it meant port outward starboard home came though. It

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Speaker 4: comes from the idea that if you traveled to India

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Speaker 4: from Europe on a Peninsular and Oriental Steam Navigation Company

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Speaker 4: ship in the eighteen hundreds, the port side cabins remained

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Speaker 4: out of the sun and were therefore considered fancier and

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Speaker 4: vice versa on the way back. But the OED and

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Speaker 4: most other sources consider that theory to be incorrect due

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Speaker 4: to a lack of evidence. Another one is tag. Some

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Speaker 4: people say that it is short for touch and go, which,

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Speaker 4: unfortunately that does make a lot of sense. But the

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Speaker 4: tag is a very old word, and it became the

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Speaker 4: name of a children's game in the seventeen thirties, and

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Speaker 4: the word itself is thought to be a variation of

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Speaker 4: Scottish words like tig meaning touch or tap, or maybe

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Speaker 4: just the Middle English word tech or tick, which was

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Speaker 4: also the name of the same game and isn't spelled

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Speaker 4: the same, so it couldn't be an acronym.

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Speaker 2: In your book, useless animosie, what's the format? How does

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Speaker 2: it you know?

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Speaker 3: How does it roll? If you will?

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Speaker 5: Oh, that's a great question.

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Speaker 4: I love this book. It's a collection of interesting It's

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Speaker 4: a collection of all my favorite things that I have

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Speaker 4: ever written about. So it takes you through the quirks

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Speaker 4: and patterns of English that you never noticed before. It

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Speaker 4: dives into. It has a section on astronomy words. It

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Speaker 4: has word myths, It has commonly mistaken words. It has

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Speaker 4: words that are older and younger than you think. It

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Speaker 4: has eponyms, words that are named after people. And it's

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Speaker 4: it's nice because I think, but because you can open

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Speaker 4: it to any page and find something to read about

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Speaker 4: in a bite sized format.

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Speaker 2: Okay, that's called useless etymology, and of course is not

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Speaker 2: useless and that's available great great Christmas gift and the

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Speaker 2: YouTube channel is Words Unravels. You mentioned the after the break,

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Speaker 2: how about a few words that are the stem from

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Speaker 2: a person's name. You mentioned there's a group of those.

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Speaker 2: What are those called apology eponyms? Okay, let's get a

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Speaker 2: few eponyms after this break on WBZ It's.

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Speaker 1: Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ Boston's news radio.

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Speaker 2: One more short segment with just Sapharis. I wish we

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Speaker 2: had more time and before you get to the words

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Speaker 2: that are based on people's names, I think I remember

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Speaker 2: from your YouTube channel called Words Unraveled, and if you

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Speaker 2: do visit it, subscribe that fables, uh fables had a

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Speaker 2: bit of an impact on some of the words for us.

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Speaker 3: Is that? Did I hear that?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 4: Certainly, it depends on what you mean by you mean

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Speaker 4: like like Aesop's fables.

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Speaker 3: That's that's what how I interpreted. I guess.

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Speaker 4: We've also had an episode on myths in particular, which

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Speaker 4: I suppose you could categorize fables as myths as well.

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Speaker 4: For example, let's see, one that comes to mind is

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Speaker 4: the uh The word mentor is inspired by the name

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Speaker 4: of Telemachus's mentor at his teacher in Homer's works in

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Speaker 4: the Odyssey, for example. Another one is that you know,

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Speaker 4: the the word like narcissism is from the character of narcissist,

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Speaker 4: who basically stared himself to death.

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Speaker 2: Well, of course that's yeah, now that you say that,

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Speaker 2: it all makes sense.

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Speaker 4: Of course, what a couple more.

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Speaker 2: Are there any Aesop fables that have generated any words

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Speaker 2: or more Greek type of myths?

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Speaker 4: Huh, yeah. I would say Esop's fables have been more

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Speaker 4: focused more the source of morality tales and things like that,

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Speaker 4: because the characters within them are animals and they're a

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Speaker 4: little more simplistic in terms of the structure of the story.

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Speaker 4: But for example, tantalized comes from the name of the

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Speaker 4: character Tantalus, and Greek myths, there are a few versions

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Speaker 4: of this. But he does a terrible thing, feeds his

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Speaker 4: son to the gods, and the gods they're displeased and

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Speaker 4: contempted and condemn him to stand up to his neck

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Speaker 4: in water, and every time he tries to drink it,

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Speaker 4: it recedes, and there's fruit above his head, and every

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Speaker 4: time he reaches for it. He they the fruit rises.

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Speaker 3: Away pretty brutal m m.

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Speaker 4: And then the word panic is from the Greek panicon,

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Speaker 4: which literally means pertaining to Pan, who is the god

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Speaker 4: of the wild, and all of the sources mysterious sounds

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Speaker 4: that caused people fear.

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Speaker 2: Wow, So how many of these are in your in

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Speaker 2: your book? Use just etymology? These are these kind of

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Speaker 2: things in there.

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Speaker 4: Yes, as a matter of fact, everything that I've mentioned

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Speaker 4: so far is in that book.

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Speaker 2: You know what I got to I will even buy it.

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Speaker 2: You know I didn't get every new copy. I will

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Speaker 2: pay money for this. It sounds so good. Okay, Now

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Speaker 2: we have a little bit of time for words that

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Speaker 2: are the result of well, where's it come for people's names?

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Speaker 2: I guess it's the short way to say that.

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Speaker 4: That's right, Give us a few, all right. So shrapnel

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Speaker 4: is named after Lieutenant General or Lieutenant General Henry Shrapnel,

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Speaker 4: a British Army officer and artillery specialist who invented a

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Speaker 4: special kind of exploding shehell which you guessed you guess

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Speaker 4: it produced shrapnel. And then side burns is a metathesis,

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Speaker 4: which is a fancy word for a flip flopping of

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Speaker 4: the name of General Ambrose burn Side, whose voluminous whiskers

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Speaker 4: inspired the hairstyle. Another fun one is Mesmerized, was eponymously

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Speaker 4: coined after friends Anton Mesmer, who was a German physician

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Speaker 4: responsible for the theory of animal magnetism, which involves the

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Speaker 4: notion that there's a universal magnetic fluid that can be

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Speaker 4: used for healing, and the practice of mesmerism and hypnosis

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Speaker 4: as a healing method came from his work.

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Speaker 3: Do you have a couple more? I can't get enough

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Speaker 3: of those?

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Speaker 4: Oh, I sure do. Pants were named after a fictional

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Speaker 4: Italian fellow, so this one's both myth and eponym. The

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Speaker 4: word pants is a shortened version of the word pantaloons,

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Speaker 4: and pantaloons has referred to several types of leg wear

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Speaker 4: since the sixteenth century. It was as referred to it

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Speaker 4: was originally men's types or hoes, and then later pantaloons

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Speaker 4: would refer to men's knee breeches and women's baggy under trousers,

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Speaker 4: and this eventually gave us words like pants and panties

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Speaker 4: and things like that.

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Speaker 3: And is that any pants?

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Speaker 4: Yes? Getting around to it.

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Speaker 5: The root of all these words, oh no, The root

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Speaker 5: of all these words.

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Speaker 4: It's a little convoluted, but it comes from the name Pantalone,

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Speaker 4: who is a recurring comedic character in sixteenth century Italian

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Speaker 4: committee a de l'arte.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 4: So this character was known for his red hose. They

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Speaker 4: were very distinctive and everyone knew that character because he

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Speaker 4: appeared in many different plays as the recurring trope, and

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Speaker 4: all pants are named after his distinctive red hose.

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Speaker 3: All I can say is that you must be very

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Speaker 3: good as scrabble.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, everybody says that, but scrabble involves as much mass

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Speaker 4: and strategy as it does knowledge of word origins, you know,

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Speaker 4: and knowledge of words. I would say I'm better at scattergories.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So thanks to you so much to you for

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Speaker 2: sharing this. There's a lot more in your book Useless Etymology,

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Speaker 2: and it's a fun YouTube channel called Words Unraveled. I

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Speaker 2: recommend them both and I'm actually going to get I

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Speaker 2: am definitely going to buy the book. Thank you so

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Speaker 2: much for your time, and I hope we'll hopefully we'll

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Speaker 2: have you on again. And also please say a warm

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Speaker 2: hello to your co host Rob on your YouTube channel.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much.

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Speaker 4: I certainly will thank you so much for your time.

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Speaker 2: Of course, Jess, take care. Well that was I love that.

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Speaker 2: I hope you some of you dug that next hour

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Speaker 2: while the time flies on nightside, doesn't it next hour?

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Speaker 3: Open lines? What the heck?

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Speaker 2: I think in all of my career, I might have

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Speaker 2: done open lines three times. I never called it open lines,

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Speaker 2: but it occurred to me that that might encourage you

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Speaker 2: ten thirty one. Night's Side, Bradlege. I in for Dan

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Speaker 2: tonight and I look forward to hearing from you. Now,

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Speaker 2: I gotta go get some junk food. I'm thinking I'm

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Speaker 2: thinking a KitKat bar. Yeah, I'll talk to you right

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Speaker 2: after this KitKat bar, right after these words.

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