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Speaker 1: All right, it's time for Jim Kenney.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Jim Kenney, chief medical officer for Dignity Saint Mary

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Speaker 2: Medical Center in Long Beach.

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Speaker 1: Jim, good morning, Good morning Bill. There you are.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's get right into it as you send

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Speaker 2: me these articles and you send me these ideas to

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Speaker 2: talk about because Jim knows what's going on and I don't,

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Speaker 2: so I just you know what, It's almost like you

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Speaker 2: should ask the question and I should answer them because

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Speaker 2: you actually come up with the question.

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Speaker 3: Okay, all right, and I feel like that's still out

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Speaker 3: of control.

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Speaker 1: On this then like, yeah, yeah, we should play jeopardy.

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Speaker 2: What is okay, a common plastic toxin maybe linked to

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Speaker 2: infant deaths and prematurity. Of course you wrote prematurity that

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Speaker 2: way because you knew where I was going to go

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Speaker 2: with that. I'm assuming premature births. So what are we

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Speaker 2: talking about here?

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Speaker 3: All right? So I want to talk about this because

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Speaker 3: it seems like a very sensational article that these common

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Speaker 3: chemicals thalates that are found in plastic, they're found in fragrances,

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Speaker 3: they're found in different cosmetic products, and it has associated

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Speaker 3: a link between the increase in premature births and stillbirths

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Speaker 3: to these chemicals. You know, we kind of sounded the

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Speaker 3: alarm together a long time ago about BPA and plastics,

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Speaker 3: and that's a chemical plastics used to make them softer

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Speaker 3: and make them more malleable, things like that, and that's

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Speaker 3: also what these thalates are. So BPA, I think we

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Speaker 3: have a lot of good evidence that it is an

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Speaker 3: endocrine disruptor and it really does cause a lot of

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Speaker 3: serious problems. The thalates as well, those are endocrine disruptors.

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Speaker 3: There is a similar type type of chemical that's in

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Speaker 3: plastics to make them more malleable and in fragrances to

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Speaker 3: make them smoother or creamier, those type of things, and

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Speaker 3: you know there is a risk there. This article, though

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Speaker 3: kind of this is not a study. This was using

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Speaker 3: a mathematical modeling to figure this out, so it's not

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Speaker 3: a study showing direct connection. So I think there is

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Speaker 3: cause for concern. You should be aware of thale to

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Speaker 3: look for those in certain things that you're certain products

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Speaker 3: you may be using, and then you've got to do

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Speaker 3: things to reduce your exposure to them. You know, don't

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Speaker 3: heat foods in plastics, don't put plastics in the in

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Speaker 3: the dishwasher because that kind of breaks them down a bit,

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Speaker 3: and then things can get in there. You also want

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Speaker 3: to improve, you know, ventilation in your home. Open the

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Speaker 3: windows sometimes, because these things are everywhere. They're in the carpet,

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Speaker 3: they're in some of the products that are in your home,

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Speaker 3: and as they enter the air, you know, you want

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Speaker 3: fresh air to kind of flush that out. I mean,

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Speaker 3: that's really it for this one.

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Speaker 2: Okay, here's the question, and I've almost answered it myself,

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Speaker 2: and that is comparing what the problem was prior to

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Speaker 2: these chemical compounds in terms of premature deaths and infant

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Speaker 2: deaths and premature births compared to before. But medicine wasn't

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Speaker 2: as advanced, so it becomes almost impossible to do any

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Speaker 2: kind of a study unless people do not use those plastics.

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Speaker 1: And as you were saying, you can't live that.

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Speaker 3: Way, Yeah, I mean they're everywhere, and that's that's really

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Speaker 3: the issue. So just having an awareness not freaking out

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Speaker 3: about this because it's the world we live in. We're

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Speaker 3: stuck in it, right, We basically live in a chemical stoop.

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Speaker 3: And if it wasn't these stalates, you know, and we

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Speaker 3: replace those with something, there'd be some other chemical that

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Speaker 3: we're not sure about and then in the future we

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Speaker 3: may find out more information about So just being aware

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Speaker 3: that whenever you can replace say plastic storage with glass

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Speaker 3: storage containers. And you know, I've done that in my house.

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Speaker 3: You know, for a long time, I didn't I didn't

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Speaker 3: think too much about plastics until the BPA issue came up.

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Speaker 3: And then you know, your your favorite store went to

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Speaker 3: Costco and got those glass you know, uh containers that

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Speaker 3: have a seal and you can reuse them. And and

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Speaker 3: I put the glass part in the refrigerator and I

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Speaker 3: put the plastic top and that seals. I just cleaned

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Speaker 3: that by hand.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's very special. And you are so do you?

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Speaker 1: I mean, do you follow uh?

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Speaker 2: And I call this woo woo medicine, you know, in

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Speaker 2: the woo woo attempt at life? Uh do you actually

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Speaker 2: spend a great deal of time thinking about this and

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Speaker 2: changing your lifestyle because of this fear?

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Speaker 3: Uh? Yeah, I mean plastics especially. I mean when when

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Speaker 3: I had kids and the BPA issue came out, it

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Speaker 3: was such a clear cour relation. And back then, you know,

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Speaker 3: I had I had that podcast. I interviewed doctor Otis

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Speaker 3: I forget his last name. He was the head of

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Speaker 3: our cancer Institute in the United States he was dead,

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Speaker 3: said that this is causing cancer. I literally, you know,

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Speaker 3: stopped buying plastic water bottles. Got got water bottles for

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Speaker 3: everyone that were reusable and did not have BPA in them,

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Speaker 3: and we just refilled bottles from then on. I was,

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Speaker 3: you know, and now since then that's even become a

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Speaker 3: bigger issue with you know, plastics in the environment and

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Speaker 3: reducing plastic use. At the hospital, we installed a water

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Speaker 3: spencer and gave everyone water bottles that were they're aluminum

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Speaker 3: water bottles, but they we handed those out and said, look,

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Speaker 3: we don't want people to refill to use plastic water bottles.

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Speaker 3: We want them to refill it with these bottles.

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Speaker 1: How old are your kids now?

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Speaker 3: They're twenty six, twenty four, and twenty two, right, I'd.

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Speaker 2: Be concerned about immature births also, and no question about that.

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Speaker 2: And Jim gut friendly foods that could actually be bad

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Speaker 2: for cardiovascular health. And this is why I eat everything

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Speaker 2: at Costco, all the frozen burritos and breaded everything, because

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Speaker 2: I have good cardiovascular health.

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Speaker 1: And that's the reason I do.

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Speaker 3: I know, but unfortunately for other people, they are trying

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Speaker 3: to eat a healthy diet, and you know things like

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Speaker 3: kimchi and sauer kraut and kombucha, all these and yogurt,

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Speaker 3: all these fermented foods are having a moment right now

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Speaker 3: because they have been shown to reduce inflammation to be

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Speaker 3: better for your gut. They actually can reduce inflammation and

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Speaker 3: improve heart disease. But the problem is a lot of

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Speaker 3: these are like everything. As soon as something comes out

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Speaker 3: and it says that it's it's good for you, what

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Speaker 3: companies do is they take a product that's not good

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Speaker 3: for you and label it in that way. So with

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Speaker 3: kimchi and saur kraut and things like that, you got

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Speaker 3: to make sure it's not overly processed with a lot

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Speaker 3: of added salt, because high salt will actually harm your

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Speaker 3: heart more than any of this stuff is going to help.

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Speaker 3: Same thing with yogurt and kolucha. They add sugar and

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Speaker 3: then that contributes to metabolic disease and your and increases

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Speaker 3: your risk of heart disease. So when you're looking at foods,

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Speaker 3: you got to look at them and say, hey, is

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Speaker 3: this is this highly processed sour kraut with added a

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Speaker 3: lot of added salt. So you got to read labels

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Speaker 3: same thing with yogurt is it is it? Fruit? Fruit

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Speaker 3: sounds great, and now they'll add that you know, everybody

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Speaker 3: thinks fruit is healthy, but when you take fruit juice

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Speaker 3: and you extract the fiber, you're really just adding you know,

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Speaker 3: a colored sugar to the things like yogurt or kimchi,

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Speaker 3: and then you end up, you know, making the making

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Speaker 3: the product worse for you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, rather than eat kim chi, I'd rather have my

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Speaker 2: tea s bud surgically removed.

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Speaker 1: It's really yeah.

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Speaker 3: You will like to be confined, just right, Bill, If

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Speaker 3: I got you like an ahi tuna taco with kim

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Speaker 3: chi and just the right balance and everything. Man, it's

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Speaker 3: really good.

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Speaker 2: Okay, you know what we're gonna do next time we

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Speaker 2: have lunch, We're gonna go someplace that serves exactly that,

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Speaker 2: and then I and then I will do a Footy

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Speaker 2: Friday report on it, and I will tell people why

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Speaker 2: why you're out of your mind?

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Speaker 1: All right, Jim?

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Speaker 2: No, absolutely, Okay, we are dimming done and you have

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Speaker 2: a birthday coming up, which is yeah, I do, I know,

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Speaker 2: very exciting. Well not so much. Okay, you have a

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Speaker 2: good one. Go kill someone. As always, we'll talk again

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Speaker 2: next Wednesday. All right, take care doctor Jim God, he's

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Speaker 2: been on the show now for what thirty years, something

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Speaker 2: crazy like that.

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Speaker 1: All right,