1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:06,240 Speaker 1: You're listening to KFI A six forty on demand. Betsy, 2 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Jesus christ Show. 3 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:09,879 Speaker 2: Oh, it's so good to talk to you. Merry Christmas, 4 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 2: Happy Birthday, Merry Christmas too. I wondered if you agreed 5 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:18,959 Speaker 2: with what I'm about to say in regard to people 6 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 2: who defend the Nativity scene at Christmas, and they do 7 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 2: it in such a way that kind of drives me crazy. 8 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 1: What's that? 9 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 2: Oh, well, they say it's it's baby Jesus's birthday, it's 10 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 2: your birthday, but they don't really elucidate or they don't 11 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:38,839 Speaker 2: really give the full meaning of what Jesus did as 12 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:43,240 Speaker 2: a man, and any more than like when people say 13 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 2: happy birthday, George Washington, it's not just a baby, it's 14 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 2: what he did in life. 15 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:51,600 Speaker 1: I see. So you're saying, focusing just on the birth 16 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:54,279 Speaker 1: is missing the point of the life, the death, and 17 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 1: the resurrection. Yes. 18 00:00:56,960 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 2: I did a little thinking about why we celebrate Jesus' birthday, 19 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 2: your birthday, and it came to me that knowing the 20 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 2: man as we do through the Bible and what he did, 21 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 2: what you did, my gosh, it's the most powerful word 22 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 2: in the entire world. He overcame you evercame the world, 23 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:24,479 Speaker 2: the flesh and the devil, and through the resurrection and 24 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 2: with love. So I just think that it sometimes when 25 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:33,320 Speaker 2: people try to defend why they want the Nativity scene, 26 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 2: or why they want displays of Christmas, or even why 27 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 2: we say Merry Christmas, it's because we are then focusing 28 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 2: on the most powerful word in the world, because it's love. 29 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 2: So anyway, that's my definition of I wanted your thoughts 30 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 2: on how to define the christ life. 31 00:01:56,520 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 1: Well, well, yeah, christ it comes from the Greek word Christos. 32 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 1: It means the anointed one, and obviously it is a 33 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 1: translates the Hebrew word that is used to mean Messiah. 34 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:14,920 Speaker 1: So the anointed One is very, very powerful. And I 35 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 1: hear what you're saying that ultimately they're focusing so their 36 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 1: site seems narrow. They're focusing so much on this one part. 37 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:25,919 Speaker 1: It's not illuminating the reason why the birth would be 38 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 1: important at all, which is about the life and the 39 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 1: times and the death and resurrection. I think that you 40 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:38,119 Speaker 1: can get super hyper focused on that, and you too 41 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:40,520 Speaker 1: can lose sight of what's going on. I think that 42 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 1: the defense sometimes is the feeling that Christians get what 43 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 1: they feel they're being picked on or that their rights 44 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:53,080 Speaker 1: are kind of becoming second class, and therefore that you know, 45 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:56,640 Speaker 1: everyone else, even pagan belief systems around. You know, you 46 00:02:56,680 --> 00:03:01,359 Speaker 1: can put pagan symbols up around Halloween, and schools and 47 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:03,679 Speaker 1: everything else is fine with it. But if you do 48 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 1: any Christian symbols, people start getting up tight. And I 49 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:10,920 Speaker 1: think that's kind of what they're defending. Now to your concern, Betsy, 50 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 1: I think that you're you're right in saying that that 51 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 1: people should understand the fullness of what's going on. We've 52 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 1: said on the show many times that the term Jesus 53 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 1: loves you means nothing unless you know who Jesus is, 54 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 1: what love is, and who you are. So yes, the 55 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:30,359 Speaker 1: defining the principles and why why the Nativity scene would 56 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 1: be important at all would be a wonderful thing. Sometimes 57 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 1: in battle, words become abbreviated because it's the focus is 58 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 1: to those people to save the Nativity scene for what 59 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 1: it stands for. But ultimately, if you don't stand, if 60 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 1: you don't save what's what it stands for, then the 61 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 1: Nativity scene means nothing, and people get lost in that, 62 00:03:55,680 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 1: and and really it's kind of just an understanding that 63 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 1: there would be no death in resurrection if I hadn't 64 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 1: been born, And so to celebrate the beginning and all 65 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 1: parts of it. If you understand God and his fullness, 66 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 1: God is a god of beginning, middle, and end. Most 67 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 1: certainly a god of gaseimone, Calvary and the empty tomb. 68 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 1: All three are important. And so that time spent in 69 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:26,160 Speaker 1: the garden was important, the time on the cross was important, 70 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 1: and the time of resurrection obviously ultimately important. But each 71 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:33,599 Speaker 1: part is talked about in scripture because they all play 72 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:36,919 Speaker 1: an importance to the entirety of the story, and that 73 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 1: can't be lost either. So you see the balance of 74 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 1: those two things. That some people are fighting for something 75 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 1: in its infant stage because of what it means in 76 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 1: its fullness, and I can see where you like to 77 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 1: hear the entirety of it, and that this word is important. 78 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:57,480 Speaker 1: That Christ is a powerful statement because it's talking about 79 00:04:57,520 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 1: the anointed one of God. But I think that's certain 80 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 1: in there, in what they're fighting for and what they're defending. 81 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 1: You know, I've said this before that this time of 82 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 1: year brings out a lot of that that quarreling, it 83 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:13,479 Speaker 1: brings out a lot of the fights, and you know, 84 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:16,800 Speaker 1: the atheists will put up some sign about how I 85 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:20,480 Speaker 1: didn't exist or something silly like that, and and the 86 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 1: theists and the Christians come out of their churches and 87 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 1: put up billboards and signs. Then you hear about people 88 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 1: fighting for Nativity scenes, and really, ultimately that the what 89 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 1: those Nativity scenes stand for really is the most important. 90 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 1: Absolutely that if it wasn't for the birth, death and resurrection, 91 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 1: then all of Christianity is for not And to defend 92 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 1: that's a wonderful thing. But symbols and symbolism and we 93 00:05:54,160 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 1: want our our particular belief system represented is really more 94 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 1: about culture than it is about faith. Faith cannot be 95 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:11,279 Speaker 1: dictated by any government, especially Christianity, because of the fact 96 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 1: that it can be practiced in your heart and that 97 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:17,359 Speaker 1: you want to be able to worship as you please, 98 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 1: most certainly in the United States. But the concept of 99 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 1: who God is never changes no matter what anybody says. 100 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 1: And you can put up a Nativity scene and you 101 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:33,280 Speaker 1: know it won't necessarily help anybody, and you could take 102 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:36,360 Speaker 1: it down. I won't necessarily hurt anybody. The important thing 103 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:38,040 Speaker 1: is that Christians are living in a way that other 104 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 1: people can see and experience in a very very real way. 105 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 1: Otherwise you just see people that are fighting for their 106 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 1: cultural likes or dislikes or there once, and it gets 107 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 1: lost in that. So as this holiday tends to bring 108 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:56,719 Speaker 1: out those people defending the Nativity, which I think is fine, 109 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 1: just keep in mind that the Nativity is just a thing. 110 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:04,480 Speaker 1: It's the setting up of this display is just a 111 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 1: thing that really the value of it lies in the 112 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 1: life changing power of the death and resurrection. That that's 113 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 1: where the power lies. That's where what it's all about, 114 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 1: and that's what Christmas is all about. I know everybody 115 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 1: focuses on that on Easter, but really Christmas is just 116 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 1: as much about that. It's about the beginning, the nescient 117 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 1: stages of Christianity and the importance and the power of 118 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 1: the things to come. Cheryl, Welcome to Jesus Christ Show. 119 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 3: Happy Birthday. 120 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 1: Well thank you. 121 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 2: My cat had died two weeks ago and I was 122 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 2: wondering if cats or animals have souls they go to 123 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 2: the heaven. 124 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 1: Animals do not have souls the way humans have souls. 125 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 1: So when you say that, you you know theologically you 126 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 1: say you have a soul. If you imagine it this way, 127 00:07:58,160 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 1: I would have had to have come and died on 128 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 1: the cross, as you know, as a dog, as a cat, 129 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 1: as all of these things to cover all of those affected. 130 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 1: Animals are instinctual. They don't deal with morals. They react 131 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 1: instinctually based on self preservation and things like that, and 132 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 1: not based on moral right and wrong. So it's a 133 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 1: different situation. So there are some theologians that would say, 134 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 1: no cat, there's no you know, cats and dogs in heaven. 135 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 1: But scripture doesn't necessarily say that. Scripture doesn't say that 136 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 1: that animals are redeemed through the blood on the cross, 137 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 1: but it doesn't say anything about the heaven being absent 138 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:41,319 Speaker 1: of any animals. So one could say theologically that your 139 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:43,440 Speaker 1: animal could be in heaven, but not in the same 140 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 1: way that you would go to heaven based on your 141 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:52,080 Speaker 1: relationship with God. So don't give up hope and just 142 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 1: know and trust this that Scripture is very clear that 143 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 1: there will be no tears in heaven and there's not 144 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 1: going to be any that that feeling of loss or 145 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:06,440 Speaker 1: absence or any of those things. So be confident that 146 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 1: there's no reason to think that that your animal couldn't 147 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 1: be there. But also if someone or an animal is missing. 148 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 1: It's not like you'd be disappointed that. Yeah, it's really 149 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 1: great to be in the presence of God, but I 150 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:25,440 Speaker 1: wish fill in the blank was here. That's just not 151 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 1: the way it'll work. There's uh, you're going to be 152 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 1: standing in the presence of the glory of God. You'll 153 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:42,840 Speaker 1: you'll be fine. You will be absolutely positively fine. Derek, 154 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:44,320 Speaker 1: welcome to the Jesus Christ Show. 155 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 4: Oh, thank you very much. I don't want to say 156 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 4: it's an honor and it's a pleasure. I consider myself 157 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:54,959 Speaker 4: a borderline Christian of non denomination only because well, I 158 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 4: think I said too much. 159 00:09:56,960 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 1: Hey, so border a border borderline Christian. 160 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:03,320 Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I'm not the Christian I wish I could be. 161 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:07,320 Speaker 1: Well, I think that stands for most Christians as a 162 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 1: work in progress. Of course, there's more to be done. 163 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 1: Hopefully you're not in a state of rebellion where you 164 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 1: just do anything you want. 165 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 4: No, not at all. Okay, high standard of morals? 166 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 1: Okay, good? Well, how can I help you? 167 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 4: Well, I've been toiled. I have a question regarding trees, 168 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 4: Christmas trees and Santa specifically. Let's see, to my knowledge, 169 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 4: Christmas trees is an ancient pagan tradition, let's see, and 170 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 4: the shiny bulbs represent the ancient sun god bow. So 171 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 4: for that reason, I don't bring him in my house 172 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 4: on Christmas. And the word Santa actually can be crossed. 173 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 4: You can put the two words, oh, don't. 174 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:52,959 Speaker 1: Say, don't say satan. Yeah, oh my goodness, really well, God, 175 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 1: God could spell dog if you put it in a mirror. 176 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 1: What was that? God spells dog if you look at 177 00:10:58,360 --> 00:10:59,079 Speaker 1: it in the mirror. 178 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:02,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, but that's too much of a coincidence. Don't you 179 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 4: think you can put the two words side by side 180 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:05,839 Speaker 4: and draw a line to each letter. 181 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 1: No, because you're dealing words. Here's the thing when it 182 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:10,719 Speaker 1: comes to words, and I know there's a lot of 183 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 1: people get caught up in these things and all this 184 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 1: word and numbers too, and they get caught like a 185 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:18,720 Speaker 1: lot of people are superstitious about six six six, when 186 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:22,560 Speaker 1: in all honesty, it's not really the number of the beast. 187 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:26,959 Speaker 1: So there's people get caught up in numbers and words. 188 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 1: But really, satan is is not the technical term for 189 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 1: Satan anymore than Santa is the technical term for Saint Nick. 190 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:40,199 Speaker 1: So there's it depends what you're looking at. It's kind 191 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:45,080 Speaker 1: of far fetching. Yeah, way, there's many names. You've got 192 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 1: the Devil, You've got Satan, You've got Lucifer, You've got Beelzebub, 193 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:52,320 Speaker 1: the Father of darkness, the Prince of darkness. You've got 194 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 1: all kinds of names. So really you start nitpicking at 195 00:11:56,760 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 1: that point. As far as the tree goes, it's not 196 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 1: about what the Pagans you used it for. It's what 197 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 1: you used it for. Hitler was a vegetarian because he 198 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 1: had stomach issues. That doesn't mean that anybody who's a 199 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:14,440 Speaker 1: vegetarian is somehow a Nazi. So just because trees have 200 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 1: been used, the fact that Christmas comes is celebrated during 201 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 1: a time when it wasn't. My birthday wasn't in December. 202 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:31,840 Speaker 1: I have more on this, don't go anywhere. We were 203 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:36,679 Speaker 1: chatting with Derek about some of the seemingly pagan attributes 204 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:41,440 Speaker 1: of Christmas, with Santa Claus and a tree and the 205 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:44,720 Speaker 1: glass bulbs and all of these things, and Derek you 206 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 1: were saying that you know, Santa and Satan are so close, 207 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:54,079 Speaker 1: but really it's you can't start comparing different words like that, because. 208 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:57,959 Speaker 4: But Jesus is not just the word you're looking. 209 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 1: For an excuse to find a devil under the now, 210 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 1: I will ask you, are you married? 211 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:03,320 Speaker 4: No, I'm not. 212 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 1: Okay. Do you have you seen the ring that is 213 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 1: bestowed upon the man and woman when they get married. 214 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 2: Yes. 215 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 1: Do you think that that's a problem to wear rings? No? 216 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 4: Actually I don't. Being a bachelor, I'd never had. 217 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:23,239 Speaker 1: It's not a problem for you. But rings come from paganism. 218 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 1: There's a lot that comes from paganism. There's many festivals 219 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:31,959 Speaker 1: and feasts that Christians still celebrate today. Even the seasons 220 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 1: were based on paganistic feasts and a like. So if 221 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:42,199 Speaker 1: you start weeding out everything because they had a pagan background, 222 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 1: there's a lot more in your life that are going 223 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:49,559 Speaker 1: to be weeded out than you think. So making that tie. 224 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:53,840 Speaker 1: People don't bring trees in. Kids don't go, oh mommy, daddy, 225 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:56,000 Speaker 1: can we get the pagan tree in the house this year? 226 00:13:56,240 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 1: They just don't. So it seems like a fight. That's moot. 227 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:05,679 Speaker 1: You're you're not fighting something real. It's it doesn't exist 228 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:09,559 Speaker 1: anymore in that sense. If anything, Christians have co opted 229 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 1: these things and are using them for their own desire. 230 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 1: If they're commercialized, you don't have to use them or 231 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:18,320 Speaker 1: what have you, But they're not. They don't have the 232 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 1: pagan attributes anymore. 233 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 4: To the believer, I see, it seems more Satan than 234 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 4: the trees. 235 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 1: Jesus is the concern that bright. 236 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:30,080 Speaker 4: Red children only think of him and getting what they 237 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 4: can get for Christmas. They don't think of Christ's birthday. 238 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 1: Okay, but but what where do you get red in 239 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 1: the devil? 240 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:38,720 Speaker 4: Everything I've ever seen that? 241 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, So you're talking about so you're talking about 242 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 1: the the character of the devil that people have created. Yes, 243 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:50,400 Speaker 1: the devil is not what it's not a guy in 244 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:54,400 Speaker 1: red pajamas with a goatee and a pitchfork. Okay, that's 245 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 1: what man has drawn, you know, just like you see 246 00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:00,200 Speaker 1: every time you see Jesus. He's this this white guy 247 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 1: with blue eyes. Do you think that's what I look like? 248 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 4: None? 249 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So that and even that is in context 250 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 1: of a second coming, so that that is in a 251 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 1: different state as well. So you you start putting these 252 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 1: things together and really you're reacting to uh kind of 253 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 1: caricatures that aren't real to begin with. Satan is real, 254 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 1: but he's not this guy who's red. That's man's depiction 255 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:36,400 Speaker 1: of the devil because matter of fact, scripture says that, uh, 256 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 1: the devil masquerades is an angel of light, so real. 257 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 1: So now you're not gonna have any angels of light 258 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 1: in the house because that's what Okay, okay, but you 259 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 1: see what I'm saying, where you're gonna start weeding these 260 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 1: things out and getting concerned based on you know, oh, 261 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 1: well this and that, and you're gonna be chasing the 262 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 1: devil and that's what he wants you to. He wants 263 00:15:56,200 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 1: he wants you to just strip your life of everything. 264 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 2: Thing. 265 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 1: So you're sitting there naked and then go, well, God, 266 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 1: why do you have me here sitting naked? Don't don't 267 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 1: look for the devil. He'll find you, trust me. Look 268 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 1: for God. Focus on God. The tree is just a 269 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 1: tree with ornaments on it that in your home should 270 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 1: be reminding you of God. If you don't want to 271 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 1: bring it in there, fine, but don't use the excuse 272 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 1: of paganism for goodness sake. 273 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 4: I see, thanks for clearing that up. 274 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 1: You're welcome. The devil under every stone gets to be, 275 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:38,480 Speaker 1: gets to be a little much if you if you 276 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 1: want to, you know, have guidelines. There was I remember 277 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:47,680 Speaker 1: a conversation on radio listening in and somebody was talking 278 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 1: about how they wouldn't buy a VW because the original 279 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 1: VW bug or something therein was designed by Nazis or 280 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:02,720 Speaker 1: by Hitler himself and UH VW has nothing to do 281 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 1: with Nazi Germany anymore, nothing. And the person said, well, 282 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 1: I just won't buy a car that's built by someone 283 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 1: who was an enemy of the United States. And and 284 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 1: when he was asked what he drove, he drove drove 285 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:29,680 Speaker 1: a Japanese car, which at one point the Japanese were 286 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 1: in conflict with the United States. So you start getting 287 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 1: in this place where you start putting these these moral 288 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:39,000 Speaker 1: markers in your life, and you'll find out that really 289 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:44,720 Speaker 1: there is a lot Even the very concept of the environment, 290 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 1: uh it comes from and loving the environment. Protecting the 291 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:52,359 Speaker 1: environment is a very pagan concept. You wouldn't say that 292 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:58,119 Speaker 1: it was bad. Many things, clothing and uh food, the 293 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 1: way you eat it, in the preparation and all kinds 294 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:03,199 Speaker 1: of things can be tied back to pagan So be 295 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 1: careful when you just get on that rant, because you 296 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:08,639 Speaker 1: might end up editing a lot more out of your 297 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:11,639 Speaker 1: life than you think. And it doesn't glorify God. All 298 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:14,960 Speaker 1: is made by God all is to be enjoyed, it 299 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:17,720 Speaker 1: says in Timothy. Let no man try and take food 300 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 1: or certain things from you based on festivals or whether 301 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:25,200 Speaker 1: they were you know, slaughtered for a pagan god. It's 302 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:27,679 Speaker 1: about what you worship and who you believe they are 303 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:34,720 Speaker 1: for that's important. Hi, Dorothy, welcome to the Jesus Christ Show. 304 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:37,119 Speaker 3: Hi, thank you very much. 305 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 1: My pleasure. What's going on? 306 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:42,359 Speaker 3: I was my husband died in July. 307 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:44,479 Speaker 1: Oh, I'm sorry to hear that, Dorothy. 308 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:48,399 Speaker 3: Thank you. Yeah, kind of an astra life question, okay, 309 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 3: but I came across Randy Alkaline's books and I've been 310 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 3: digging through those and the realizing I hadn't realized a 311 00:18:55,280 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 3: bottom heaven in real terms, and also the fact that mhm, 312 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:07,800 Speaker 3: I can't imagine our relationship in heaven without all of 313 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 3: the the angst of human life and interactions that seem 314 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:14,879 Speaker 3: to build over the years of relationship. 315 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 1: Are you saying, what are you going to? What are 316 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:19,439 Speaker 1: you going to do in heaven if you can't bicker 317 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:20,119 Speaker 1: with your husband? 318 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:22,879 Speaker 2: Yeah? 319 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:25,439 Speaker 3: And to really to really know the person you know 320 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 3: without the he has the assistance, abuse problems and stuff, 321 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:32,520 Speaker 3: so you know, to really know someone without all that 322 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:37,199 Speaker 3: it's just going to be amazing. And actually to have 323 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:43,199 Speaker 3: myself in the non critical state also absolutely makes me 324 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:45,919 Speaker 3: think about these things in real terms, that we have 325 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:46,879 Speaker 3: a lot to look forward to. 326 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:51,639 Speaker 1: Well, if you could imagine that, you know, when you 327 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 1: see something newly minted or something so brand new it's 328 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:58,199 Speaker 1: never been touched, or or any of those privations that 329 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 1: happen in life. Yes there's something and that still is 330 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:05,760 Speaker 1: imperfect because it's you know, here on earth. But to 331 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 1: think that the things that you know about someone and 332 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:11,399 Speaker 1: the things you experience with someone over a lifetime is 333 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 1: really their imperfections as well. But though and so it 334 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:19,679 Speaker 1: is an interesting thought to think, well, how are you 335 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:22,359 Speaker 1: going to recognize somebody when their faults are gone? And 336 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:25,920 Speaker 1: really you're going to be looking at all those things. 337 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:28,879 Speaker 1: The things that compelled you to someone was not the 338 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:30,760 Speaker 1: problems in who they are, but the way they dealt 339 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:34,120 Speaker 1: with them and the dealing with them and the way 340 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 1: they work through problems, or their sense of humor or 341 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 1: any of these things are really coming from that perfect 342 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 1: place and not the privation the absence of the things 343 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:44,200 Speaker 1: that were designed by God that should be there. And 344 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 1: so you will you're going to see a more concentrated, 345 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 1: purified version of that individual, which is what truly compelled 346 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 1: you to them in the first place. It's just not 347 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:57,720 Speaker 1: something that you have an example of on earth. There's 348 00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:00,199 Speaker 1: just not something you can put it against and say, oh, 349 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:02,919 Speaker 1: it's going to look, feel, taste like this, because it 350 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:05,639 Speaker 1: just doesn't exist in this place. This world is filled 351 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 1: with a lot of pollution, emotionally, spiritually, physically, and those 352 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 1: things skew and change the appearance of things, but not 353 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 1: the not the essence. The essence of your husband is 354 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:21,920 Speaker 1: as well as your essence will be exactly the same. 355 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 1: It's all the luggage and the garbage that has been 356 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 1: in the pollution that's been piled up over the years 357 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:35,480 Speaker 1: by you guys and by you know, your lineage, that 358 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:38,439 Speaker 1: that you see here. But trust me, it's it won't 359 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 1: be a disappointment, No, not at all. 360 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:44,639 Speaker 3: How it can live better in this life with that 361 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:48,119 Speaker 3: kind of attitude without double. 362 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:53,800 Speaker 1: Nature, Well, that's the that's the honing process. That's the 363 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:56,679 Speaker 1: you know, just as metal is heated and heated and 364 00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 1: then the draws is scraped from the top and it's 365 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:02,879 Speaker 1: heated again, that's a process. You know, it's easy to 366 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 1: get confused with Christianity and think, well, Christ died on 367 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 1: the cross, here, I paid for your sins. My blood's there, 368 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:10,720 Speaker 1: and then it's all over. Well, that's not the case. 369 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:13,440 Speaker 1: There is a pure it's all over as far as 370 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:16,520 Speaker 1: the payment being made, But the learning process still has 371 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:19,159 Speaker 1: to be there by definition because it has It's like patience. 372 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:22,439 Speaker 1: You can't give someone patience, they have to earn it 373 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 1: and uh, and so there is still learning that needs 374 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 1: to be done. You're just not earning salvation and so 375 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:33,320 Speaker 1: you know, so this process in life is part of 376 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 1: purifying and honing and growing and learning and uh and 377 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:43,639 Speaker 1: then experiencing that perfection and that a whole different expression 378 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:44,399 Speaker 1: when you're in heaven. 379 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 3: Something to look forward to there is, Yeah, it is 380 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:51,320 Speaker 3: a great thing. 381 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 1: And you're holding together well with your husband's loss. You 382 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:55,679 Speaker 1: sound very strong. 383 00:22:56,760 --> 00:23:00,439 Speaker 3: Well, I'm thinking of all the positive. I'm really seeing 384 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 3: a huge gift that he was to me with our 385 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:07,760 Speaker 3: children and with all of the adventures we went on together, 386 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:12,600 Speaker 3: and his heart for God's heart for people, and through 387 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 3: all the struggles. He was really strong, strong, loving person 388 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 3: and gave us huge amounts of things to think back on. 389 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:26,359 Speaker 3: And like we went all over the world together and 390 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:28,800 Speaker 3: he wanted the kids to see the world and to 391 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:31,639 Speaker 3: see the work of God around the world and stuff. 392 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 3: So we you know, he just had that adventures and 393 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:37,280 Speaker 3: spirit as well as that giving and loving heart. And 394 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:40,639 Speaker 3: we bring people into our lives from needy areas, and 395 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 3: we both had that same attitude of wanting to serve 396 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:48,840 Speaker 3: God and help people. Yeah, I have to think it's 397 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 3: a positism. I just I just realized that my whole 398 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:53,520 Speaker 3: life was kind of wrapped around a lot of the 399 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 3: negatives over the years. When we get so close to 400 00:23:57,040 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 3: the the issues of life, it's hard to speke a 401 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:03,199 Speaker 3: bigger picture when you're in the midst of it. 402 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:07,000 Speaker 1: You know, dying is it's the last act that's done 403 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:13,320 Speaker 1: on this planet and oftentimes ungraceful, unpleasant, and all the 404 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 1: ugliness that goes with it. Yet it's the one thing 405 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:17,359 Speaker 1: that those that are left on this planet tend to 406 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:21,360 Speaker 1: focus on when someone leaves and so and that saddens 407 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:23,320 Speaker 1: me that a whole life was lived with all the 408 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 1: beauty and all of the things that you just described 409 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 1: so perfectly. That it's okay to have a time of morning, 410 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:33,720 Speaker 1: of course, but then to make make somebody's entire life. 411 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:39,160 Speaker 1: Their death it just it's it really reduces the beauty 412 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 1: of the individual. And so I like, I like to 413 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:44,960 Speaker 1: remind people that if you're still living, that you're kind 414 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 1: of the curator of the museum of the of the 415 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:50,359 Speaker 1: person who's passed. And that's exactly what you described to 416 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:52,400 Speaker 1: me right now. All the different things that that you've 417 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 1: seen and experienced, and that you've passed those along to 418 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:57,919 Speaker 1: other people is a beautiful way to keep such an 419 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:03,359 Speaker 1: amazing life alive and understood and fragrant and real, rather 420 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:06,400 Speaker 1: than you know, just summing it up as well, this 421 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:09,399 Speaker 1: person lived this long and then they died, and this 422 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:12,000 Speaker 1: is how they died, and now we're alone. And then that, 423 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:16,159 Speaker 1: to me, so cheapens the beauty of life when it 424 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 1: goes beyond the normal realm of mourning and sadness for 425 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 1: a loss, of course, But when you get to that 426 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 1: point where you reduce them to just their death is 427 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:30,800 Speaker 1: when they truly die. So, Dorothy, I keep doing what 428 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:34,520 Speaker 1: you're doing. You absolutely have inspired people, trust me, that 429 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:40,040 Speaker 1: are listening to your voice today. This time of year 430 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:43,720 Speaker 1: brings up a lot of different emotions and it's very 431 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:49,359 Speaker 1: easy to get caught up in that all and pulling 432 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:53,520 Speaker 1: between family members, the loss of family members, the loss 433 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 1: of a job and pain that goes with it, and 434 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:02,439 Speaker 1: really about standing tall in the midst of it is 435 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:06,480 Speaker 1: really what shows others what you're made of. As I 436 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 1: said earlier, Christianity does not solve your problems. It helps 437 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:16,560 Speaker 1: you deal with them, which is much different, and others 438 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:19,440 Speaker 1: see that from the big to the small, the little 439 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 1: things that you do in life that show that you care. 440 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 1: We talk often about returning the grocery cart to where 441 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:32,119 Speaker 1: the grocery carts should be returned, small things that people 442 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:36,199 Speaker 1: see that you care, or that there's importance to the 443 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:39,200 Speaker 1: finest details, to very large things. When you lose somebody 444 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:44,720 Speaker 1: in your life and you see that there is that 445 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:47,879 Speaker 1: that belief, that faith that there's more out there is 446 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:51,040 Speaker 1: now in practice, and now that belief becomes so real 447 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:55,960 Speaker 1: because you're looking saying, hey, now I have to trust God. 448 00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:58,320 Speaker 1: I have to trust that there is a God, there 449 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:00,960 Speaker 1: is a heaven, and that we will be together again 450 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:07,840 Speaker 1: and let people see that in a very very real way. 451 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:13,400 Speaker 1: And others might miss that at times. And so that's 452 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,160 Speaker 1: part of who you are and what you're called called 453 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:21,399 Speaker 1: to do on this planet in this lifetime is to 454 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:25,159 Speaker 1: be that example for others so they can come to 455 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:30,760 Speaker 1: a real, true meaning of faith. I know a lot 456 00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:33,359 Speaker 1: of people just to go around and try and force 457 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:38,200 Speaker 1: their beliefs on others. But as a believer, you shouldn't 458 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:41,000 Speaker 1: be doing that. You should be living in a way 459 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:47,680 Speaker 1: that compels them. Nobody's forced to eat chocolate cake. They 460 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:56,080 Speaker 1: understand it's deliciousness by design. And so when you live 461 00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:58,840 Speaker 1: in a way that compels people to want to know 462 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,040 Speaker 1: more about you and which you believe, and that's when 463 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:05,600 Speaker 1: it becomes real and that's when it sticks with somebody, 464 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,320 Speaker 1: is because they choose it, they want to know more 465 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:13,480 Speaker 1: about it. And so that I pray during this time 466 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,480 Speaker 1: right now, is there's a lot of ugliness and sadness 467 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:21,440 Speaker 1: that you focus on on living a life that would 468 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:25,879 Speaker 1: be an example to others that would motivate them to 469 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:29,160 Speaker 1: find out about that hope that lies deep inside your heart. 470 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:35,200 Speaker 1: And during this holiday season, I'm thankful that you spent 471 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:38,960 Speaker 1: the time with me. I want you to remember these 472 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:48,960 Speaker 1: very special words. I am with you always. KFI AM 473 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:50,520 Speaker 1: six on demand