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Speaker 2: the Daniel Davis Deep Dive coming up in one hour.

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Speaker 2: In the meantime. Welcome back to the fifty five CARSSE

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Speaker 2: Morning Show run for CINCINNTI Council as a Charter Right

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Speaker 2: candidate Aaron Weiner, who also has congratulations Aaron, welcome back

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Speaker 2: the FOP endorsement on the heels of ken Cobra being

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Speaker 2: on the program. Good to have you back on sir.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for having me. It's great to be back.

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Speaker 2: I guess one of the reasons you have the FOP endorsement,

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Speaker 2: and again, congratulations. I think that speaks volumes right. That's

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Speaker 2: a really good one. Now you've got an actual written

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Speaker 2: down for all to see and read proposal, which is

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Speaker 2: a two prong approach to deal with the police staffing

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Speaker 2: shortage and the problems we've got going on the city

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Speaker 2: of Cincinnati. One is the Frontline Home Advantage Program initial CAP,

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Speaker 2: and the other the Officer Retention Incentive strategy. Break these

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Speaker 2: down for my listeners. Because I think that, I mean,

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Speaker 2: we need more police officers. There's a shortage of officers,

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Speaker 2: stating the obvious for the world to hear. Everywhere, everyone

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Speaker 2: has lost officers because of this whole crap about defunding

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Speaker 2: police and police are all racist and nobody wants to

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Speaker 2: be a police officer. Fine, so we're competing with every

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Speaker 2: other jurisdiction in the land for police officers. Were already

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Speaker 2: down a couple of hundred lires. You got hang a

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Speaker 2: carrot of incentive out there, and I think that's what

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Speaker 2: your program is talking about. So let's talk about the

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Speaker 2: Frontline Home Advantage Program.

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Speaker 1: Erin great thank you. So when I got into this,

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Speaker 1: I wanted to actually have some plans. I didn't want

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Speaker 1: to make sure that I actually had a plan, and

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Speaker 1: I wanted to use what I knew, and that's real estate.

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Speaker 1: So the front the first prong of the Frontline Home

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Speaker 1: Advantage program is a down payment assistance program. Let's bring

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Speaker 1: police officers back into our city. I don't think any

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Speaker 1: of many live in the city. And the first part

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Speaker 1: of that is a down payment assistance program. So let's

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Speaker 1: just say that you save up to seven thousand, five

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Speaker 1: of a sudden, you have fifteen thousand dollars to put

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Speaker 1: down on a property. So that's five percent of a

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Speaker 1: of that is a rental assistance program. Not all officers

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Speaker 1: to buy right away. So let's develop a plan where

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Speaker 1: we give some rental stipends, you know, two hundred and

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Speaker 1: fifty dollars up to eight hundred dollars. Let's bring in

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Speaker 1: some of our landlords in the neighborhoods. Let's talk to

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Speaker 1: give us some breaks on this to bring to bring

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Speaker 2: And well, Darren, I got let me just introject real

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Speaker 2: Like when we were selling our house in Oak Park, Illinois,

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Speaker 2: you know there's a police officer. It's just a few

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Speaker 2: built in extra protection. Not that you're volunteering a police

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Speaker 2: I think it is sort of a peace of mind

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Speaker 2: got a cop in the building. Isn't that a good thing?

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Speaker 1: Absolutely bring you're touching on. Really one of the one

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Speaker 1: of the main byproducts in the holistic aspect of this

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Speaker 1: It's a long term process. So what it does it

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Speaker 1: does it brings leadership into our communities all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: it deals with the issue of trust, right, so all

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Speaker 2: I love the idea. The only counter argument to the

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Speaker 2: incentives you're suggesting for living in the city Cincinnati is

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Speaker 2: does requiring a police officer to live within the city

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Speaker 2: limits operate as a disincentive for outside lateral hires Because

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Speaker 2: clearly we have some issues in the city of sin

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Speaker 1: Let me be clear, first of all, it's not even

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Speaker 1: legal to require them to live here. This is an incentive.

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Speaker 1: This is a way to it's a recruiting incentive, and

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Speaker 1: it's a way to add a carrot to our recruiting

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Speaker 1: they're getting a break on their rent, it might be

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Speaker 1: I do not want that to be misconstrued. It's an incentive.

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Speaker 1: It's an incentive.

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Speaker 2: It's there for the taking. If it operates as an

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Speaker 2: So I like it. I really really like the idea

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Speaker 2: of having a physical police officer sort of in my

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Speaker 2: let's pause. That was the Frontline Home Advantage program. There's

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Speaker 2: another component to what Aaron's running on, and this is

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Speaker 2: the officer retention incentive strategy. We'll break that down. We

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Speaker 2: on the program, returning It's Winer w E I N

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Speaker 2: out his website. He's common sense guy and real quickly

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Speaker 2: before leaving the Frontline Home Advantage program, providing some financial

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Speaker 2: assistance to police officers to get a home or some

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Speaker 2: rent assistance. You are you've been in real estate for

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Speaker 2: I understand like twenty five years, so you understand this component.

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Speaker 2: But the funding for this particular program you're you're suggesting

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Speaker 2: rent reduction. That's and the seventy five hundred dollars toward

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Speaker 1: Well, I think let's let's let's let's start with that.

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Speaker 1: That to be candid, I would I would recuse myself

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Speaker 2: You know, avoid the appearance of impropriety.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I get it in propriety correct, I would certainly

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Speaker 1: and Gamble, we're used to paying a referral fee for

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Speaker 1: So yeah, people are going to say, how are you

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Speaker 1: going to pay for this, Aaron, Well, we've got an

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Speaker 2: Plans, and this is what I know clearly, and we're

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Speaker 2: not talking about a massive volume of money here. I mean,

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Speaker 2: nine hundred. We need about twelve hundred or so. So

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Speaker 2: The other thing, yeah, I know it. It makes great

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, absolutely, and honestly, I want to offer this to

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Speaker 1: let's give it to them too. Let's bring them into

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Speaker 1: Let's bring them to one of our condos downtown something

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Speaker 1: And I definitely want to expand on this. It's a

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Speaker 1: want this for teachers again, Let's it's bringing leadership into

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Speaker 2: Fair enough, now we are losing experienced officers. I am

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Speaker 2: painfully aware of people officers who are in the DROP program,

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Speaker 2: which I think last about five years. They're just saying,

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Speaker 2: I'm dropping out a DROP and I'm just going to retire,

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Speaker 2: or they're leaving for other police forces. Going back to

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Speaker 2: this lateral higher phenomenon, if you're a Sin Saint police officer,

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Speaker 2: some other jurisdiction would love to have you working for them.

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Speaker 2: So how do we deal with this? You have an

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Speaker 2: officer retention incentive strategy to address this problem.

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Speaker 1: Correct, correct, So there's several facets to that as well.

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Speaker 1: And just to give a background, so you only got

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Speaker 1: and it's a fifteen page report that we've done research

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Speaker 1: Maybe you'll get five thousand dollars if you stay an

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Speaker 1: to stay instead of leave. It involves one time retention

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Speaker 1: retention dollars. Let's say you're maybe you're working in a

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Speaker 1: it's a one time incentive. Targeted incentives. This is focused

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Speaker 1: on retention for officers with the five to fifteen years experience, who,

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Speaker 1: like you said, might be attracted to go to Blue

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Speaker 1: So these are just some of the ways of keeping people,

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Speaker 2: You know what an interesting concept erin. I know that

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Speaker 2: there are private businesses out of the world who offer

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Speaker 2: bonuses annually for you know, valuable employees. It's a wonderful

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Speaker 2: thing to know that if you have a big bonus potential,

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Speaker 2: I have no fault with paying our police officers a

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Speaker 2: them around longer. The experience is so so important. Aaron Winer,

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Speaker 2: it's a Winerfroth Cincinnati dot Com. You know, how's the

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Speaker 2: campaign going. You're running as a charter right, and I

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Speaker 2: know you're a great alternative to the status quo we've

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Speaker 2: got on counsel. How you feeling out there as you

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Speaker 1: You know, you know, I feel great, and truthfully, this

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Speaker 1: has been has been a great experience for me. I'm

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Speaker 1: getting a lot of good reception. I'm listening to people.

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Speaker 1: I'm hearing their concerns. People are saying they hear they

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Speaker 1: see they've seen my name, they've heard me on the radio,

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Speaker 1: They've read about me, and also I you know, I'm

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Speaker 2: Bold statement that's great erin I'm glad you're that it's

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Speaker 2: all working out for you, and you an impressive resume,

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Speaker 2: and I'll strongly encourage my listeners to check out your

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Speaker 2: website and look what you've been up to for the

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Speaker 2: last twenty five years. Fourth generation Cincinnati, and you're involved

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Speaker 2: in a lot of different things, including you have a

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Speaker 2: history in connection with the Cincinni Public Schools. Apparently your

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Speaker 2: mom a retired special education teacher with since a public schools,

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Speaker 2: so you have connection there, but also on the boards

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Speaker 2: of the Jewish Community Center, the Jewish Federation of Cincinnati,

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Speaker 2: you served on the board of governors for the Human

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Speaker 2: Rights Campaign, on and on and on. A demonstrably strong

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Speaker 2: record and some sound ideas for policing. Aaron, It's been

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Speaker 2: a pleasure speaking with you again, and I hope we

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Speaker 2: get a chance to talk again before the ELLE in November,

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Speaker 2: and a reminder to listeners early voting is open. Get

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Speaker 2: over to the Board of Elections, cast a vote for

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Speaker 2: the ones that count, not all nine. I suggest maybe

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Speaker 2: throwing a vote Aaron Winer's way. Erin good talking with you,

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Speaker 2: great ideas, and I look forward to talking with you

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Speaker 2: again real soon.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you for the opportunity