Speaker 1: He must went over there.
Speaker 2: Make his way.
Speaker 1: You sure did, Yeah, just making my way into the fan. Muss, Ben,
Speaker 1: Ben Muss.
Speaker 3: I must say first, I mean you don't see.
Speaker 4: Must great job this weekend. How's that you didn't well,
Speaker 4: I'll let I'll let the coach.
Speaker 1: Hit not playing with it in the crowd.
Speaker 4: You didn't play the crowd, not one time? Good moie.
Speaker 3: I mean, well, a pocket pool but otherwise.
Speaker 4: Well, but you weren't in a crowd.
Speaker 1: You weren't in a crowd. No, that's a good point.
Speaker 4: Good job, Thank you, thank you, thank you. We made
Speaker 4: it first week, we made it back here we are you.
Speaker 1: Know, Ben?
Speaker 5: You mentioned on your Instagram video after the game yep,
Speaker 5: that the last time the Vikings were shut out was
Speaker 5: two thousand and seven, and that was a team that
Speaker 5: you were one. Now, looking back to that game, why
Speaker 5: didn't you score a touchdown?
Speaker 1: I tried, I mean you're allowed to. I know, actually
Speaker 1: you're not.
Speaker 5: I mean the guy Ernest Jones or whatever his name is,
Speaker 5: he did it yesterday. Why did you do that Invens.
Speaker 1: Better than yeah? Oh come on, I tried my best.
Speaker 3: I like that.
Speaker 5: You admitted in the video you didn't even remember that game.
Speaker 5: You didn't remember getting shut out? Yeah, I mean, you.
Speaker 1: Know whatever, it was the Packers, I guess too, right.
Speaker 6: Yeah, surprisingly, yeah, two thousand and seven. Now basically what
Speaker 6: right around this time he was like November eleven, two
Speaker 6: thousand and seven against the Packers.
Speaker 1: I don't remember that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean if you if I go back and
Speaker 6: maybe look at the play sheet and go play by play,
Speaker 6: I would I would probably conjure up some memories.
Speaker 3: But no.
Speaker 5: Sure, so the Vikes had not been shut out since
Speaker 5: two thousand and seven. I've seen two different numbers. My
Speaker 5: guess is it's playoffs and non playoffs. Because this one
Speaker 5: said they had gone two hundred and ninety four straight
Speaker 5: games since getting shut out. That must be regular season.
Speaker 5: That was the third longest active streak. Now we have
Speaker 5: the shortest at zero consecutive games. Ben, do you know
Speaker 5: who has the longest current active streak? The Vikings were
Speaker 5: third longest. Who has the longest active streak of not
Speaker 5: getting shut out?
Speaker 1: But I don't know. Packers.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's what I would go with, just because of
Speaker 6: just because it's like something that you would want.
Speaker 3: To make us feel worse about our chiefs.
Speaker 7: Russell Wilson, stop the Broncos.
Speaker 1: We're gonna name all thirty two here, Actually, twins.
Speaker 5: You haven't named number two either Chicago bonsor Jesus ye Jesus,
Speaker 5: the Lions it was Jesus. No, the Patriots, the Bears,
Speaker 5: the Seahawks, still nobody's said, the Giants.
Speaker 1: The Commanders, Jets know they've been shut out there, the Rams,
Speaker 1: the still no one has said it.
Speaker 3: The Cowboys, the.
Speaker 4: Raiders, they don't say.
Speaker 3: The Chiefs, Yeah, Chiefs are yeah yeah, the.
Speaker 4: No Bengals, Titans, Texans, Jacksonville.
Speaker 5: What if you guys are going to name thirty dollars
Speaker 5: before getting the longest two streets Steelers.
Speaker 1: Steelers are number.
Speaker 4: Two at three oh eight Atlanta.
Speaker 5: You still haven't gotten number one at three eighty three
Speaker 5: and eighties.
Speaker 1: Who could say games? Finally, the Baltimore.
Speaker 8: God sake, that Ben showing off for your college. Yep,
Speaker 8: yeah man, yeah, man yeah man.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 5: Not only was that the again first shutout for the
Speaker 5: Vikings since two thousand and seven, that was the first
Speaker 5: time the Seahawks had shut out somebody since twenty fifteen,
Speaker 5: so they hadn't posted a shout out in ten years.
Speaker 4: Hey, Benjamin fun, did you get any leads? On whether
Speaker 4: or not a JJ McCarthy would be back. Do you
Speaker 4: have any leanings on that b if our center is
Speaker 4: going to miss any significant time?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 4: Boy, See if our young guard is going to be
Speaker 4: back sometime soon, d if our tackle is going to
Speaker 4: decide whether or not he wants to play.
Speaker 6: Oh well, I don't know if that's like him his decision,
Speaker 6: Like you don't think he's like choosing to sit out.
Speaker 4: I thought that injury. Is that not the case? I
Speaker 4: thought that was hurt in the last game. I thought
Speaker 4: it was being insinuated that he was being given the choice.
Speaker 1: Yeah he had the foot injury. Yeah yeah, foot or
Speaker 1: ankle or something like that.
Speaker 4: Don't blame me, I'm just a reporter.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Be nice, Please, no, don't be nice.
Speaker 3: I like him.
Speaker 1: Was that insinuated that it was this up to him
Speaker 1: if he wants to play?
Speaker 4: That was what I was inc he waited to who
Speaker 4: insinuated in the insinuation to you, Bill Cosby.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't trust that guy him.
Speaker 4: He gets one phone call a week.
Speaker 6: And he calls you to talk about the Viking. Was
Speaker 6: that before or after you guys sat down and had
Speaker 6: that special drink? You know it was after mm hm,
Speaker 6: So I'm not believing a word.
Speaker 1: You didn't need to drink no loose you are? You
Speaker 1: know Cosby watches the flight tracker more than a minute.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, what a psycho.
Speaker 4: How long it is before the pilot passes out?
Speaker 1: Well, in that case, he should he probably should keep track.
Speaker 1: That's that's safety first. I actually think he Cosby is
Speaker 1: the type of guy that would raw dog the flight.
Speaker 8: Okay, okay, yeah, wow, that's all right.
Speaker 1: He won't be flying anytime soon.
Speaker 3: I don't think so.
Speaker 6: So question A, I would expect mccarthur be back, like
Speaker 6: I think that if you're if you're self reporting a
Speaker 6: concussion on the flight home after you played a full game,
Speaker 6: my guess is concussion is not super serious. So I
Speaker 6: know everybody has their own healing time with these things.
Speaker 6: But I'm my guess is he'll be back. He'll be
Speaker 6: back this week, he'll get full reps, all reps on Wednesday,
Speaker 6: and he'll be good to go.
Speaker 1: B was what our left guard. I have no idea.
Speaker 6: I have no idea the severity of of Donovan's injury.
Speaker 6: I will cross my fingers and hope he's back. The
Speaker 6: fact that darisaw now you said, dearrisaw.
Speaker 4: Was d who who was c was our center?
Speaker 6: Oh was the center. That's interesting because I don't even
Speaker 6: remember him going to the blue tent or really doing anything.
Speaker 6: It would it wasn't anything notice significant.
Speaker 9: Great big giant headgear that he's got on.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he couldn't miss that. That Guardian helmet.
Speaker 6: I know, the the marketing scheme that is the Guardian helmet.
Speaker 4: We tell you that.
Speaker 3: Cosby told me.
Speaker 1: Guardian helpmeats.
Speaker 6: We talked a lot helmets. Yeah, we've gone through the
Speaker 6: whole gamut of helmets. He likes all kinds.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you don't need a guardian, that is what he said.
Speaker 3: He's like signing this piece of paper.
Speaker 1: You don't need a guardian, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I saw a little bit of a dialogue that he
Speaker 6: had with the training staff, and it was like they're
Speaker 6: just having a conversation. I thought it was like he
Speaker 6: dinged his head again, the way that they're just kind
Speaker 6: of talking, and it wasn't like now, I obviously must
Speaker 6: have missed it, but I didn't see him go back
Speaker 6: to the blue tent. I didn't see him like standing up,
Speaker 6: you know, having them look at his hip flexer like
Speaker 6: do some exercises, do anything. It was just kind of
Speaker 6: like this conversation and the trainers kind of step back,
Speaker 6: had their own private conversation. I'm like, oh, there must
Speaker 6: be nothing going on with this, because there wasn't like
Speaker 6: they didn't like go over to the two Jurgons and
Speaker 6: be like, oh, you gotta get ready and whatever. There
Speaker 6: was like no dialogue at all after that, So I
Speaker 6: was like, oh, maybe there's talking about something else.
Speaker 1: It's not a not a big deal. And then I
Speaker 1: come to find out.
Speaker 6: That I got the the report saying that he was
Speaker 6: going to be questionable to return with or he was out.
Speaker 1: With the hip injury. I'm like, huh, so I don't know.
Speaker 3: No Brozmer and uh snaps with Jiggins and all on
Speaker 3: the sideline.
Speaker 1: Nothing. Didn't see it, Yeah you would.
Speaker 6: That doesn't mean that, like I don't I don't like
Speaker 6: hover around the bench area unless I really really need to.
Speaker 1: But there wasn't like a clamoring or anything like that.
Speaker 6: And sometimes you know, Hawk even does a good job,
Speaker 6: okay keeping eyes from from his perspective on some stuff
Speaker 6: that's going on there.
Speaker 3: So I didn't see it.
Speaker 6: So I don't know if he's going to be in
Speaker 6: or out this week, so that is still concerning. And
Speaker 6: then I would think that that CD is going to
Speaker 6: play based on the fact that he was limited I
Speaker 6: think last week, and then he was kind of a
Speaker 6: late scratch for this game.
Speaker 4: Got it? What about let me put you in the spot.
Speaker 4: What about young Adam feeling being a healthy scratch? Do
Speaker 4: you have any insights on that?
Speaker 6: I have no insights on that, and he doesn't reading
Speaker 6: the old tea leaves does not look good, you know.
Speaker 6: I think that we've all wondered about his inclusion in
Speaker 6: this offense and how much run he gets, and then
Speaker 6: when he gets in there, it's not been super productive
Speaker 6: and it's it is sort of marred with some drops
Speaker 6: in there. So he hasn't been the most reliable when
Speaker 6: he's been in there either. So it does seem like
Speaker 6: everything was trending down, down, down, down, down to where
Speaker 6: now he's a healthy scratch in yesterday's game.
Speaker 3: What does that mean our sweep depth to a wide receiver.
Speaker 6: I mean, if you hear, if you hear, the thing
Speaker 6: is like if you hear, listen to coach O'Connell after
Speaker 6: the game. They asked him about it, and he's like, well,
Speaker 6: you know, we have some injuries in other spots, we
Speaker 6: have to elevate other people. So that just means, you know,
Speaker 6: we can only have so many in a nutshell like
Speaker 6: and we can only have so many active players for
Speaker 6: this game. We've been remarkably healthy at the receiver position.
Speaker 6: If so facto, he he now becomes, well, we have
Speaker 6: you can dress what forty eight guys?
Speaker 3: Is that right?
Speaker 6: Yeah, you can dress forty eight guys for game day.
Speaker 6: So you're telling me that he's the forty ninth and
Speaker 6: fiftieth player on this roster.
Speaker 3: That's not good. It's not good.
Speaker 6: I mean, in those situations if your vet, most vets
Speaker 6: don't don't handle that very well.
Speaker 1: So I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 6: I questioned the longevity of him for the rest of
Speaker 6: the season on this team.
Speaker 1: Wow, yeah, wow.
Speaker 4: And do we know anything about THEO Jackson either. No,
Speaker 4: That's what I'm going to ask you. Did anybody see
Speaker 4: him on the list last week? Was he in on
Speaker 4: the injury report? He was not on the injury report.
Speaker 5: Now finally there's a question for the cause because Cosby knows.
Speaker 1: All about THEO.
Speaker 4: He does great point. Well, he calls me later today
Speaker 4: I'll ask him.
Speaker 7: I don't like how you have a nickname for why
Speaker 7: does he call you on Mondays?
Speaker 4: Because it's the only day he has access to the phone.
Speaker 4: You know how jail works.
Speaker 7: THEO Jackson was a limited participant all week with a
Speaker 7: neck injury.
Speaker 3: Okay, I did not see that.
Speaker 4: Thank you, Okay, thank you.
Speaker 1: Well there we go.
Speaker 6: So I guess he's dealing with a neck injury. I
Speaker 6: must have missed that. I actually I asked around. There's
Speaker 6: a couple of people in the over today, like, yeah,
Speaker 6: I didn't even know he was injured.
Speaker 1: So Benjamin, let me put you in another corner. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna ask the tough one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I'm badger.
Speaker 5: May thirtieth of twenty twenty five, Quasi Adopha Mensa signed
Speaker 5: a multi year extension with the Minnesota Vikings. Could it
Speaker 5: still possibly be one and done with this new extension
Speaker 5: and him not surviving this offseason?
Speaker 9: Sure?
Speaker 3: Tough question.
Speaker 1: Sure, I don't know why. I don't know why.
Speaker 6: Like, look, we see it all the time, and we
Speaker 6: see it all the time in sports, like there's there's
Speaker 6: dead money on player contracts. There's dead money another you know,
Speaker 6: personnel contracts, and you know I don't think that this
Speaker 6: ownership is I don't think that they're in a position
Speaker 6: where they have to do any anything that they they're
Speaker 6: contractually bound and they they're gonna like say like, oh well,
Speaker 6: we can't, we can't make changes because of contracts in
Speaker 6: the way, Like I they're they're willing to make decisions
Speaker 6: and part ways and do things that is they see fits.
Speaker 6: So I think everything's on the table at this point
Speaker 6: in time, and I I wouldn't I wouldn't be surprised
Speaker 6: if if there was something done there.
Speaker 5: Now, Paul, your hands up, and we were just talking
Speaker 5: about Quazy, So I don't think you're going to ask Woodhawks.
Speaker 5: So I think this is an actual football follow football
Speaker 5: follow Okay, Paul, your hands up.
Speaker 7: Just like you said Core about how Broseberg didn't really
Speaker 7: stake his claim to be the starting quarterback. What is
Speaker 7: Quasy done to stake his claim to pick possibly a
Speaker 7: fifth or six overall pick and help this team rebuild.
Speaker 3: But he's not the only one making the pick.
Speaker 7: Yeah, but he's the GM I know saying. But I
Speaker 7: think what my opinion is, I think he's going to
Speaker 7: be the scapegoat of all of this. I would agree with.
Speaker 7: I think he's going to be the one that's going
Speaker 7: to take this. I mean all of those guys that
Speaker 7: he signed. And it's not just him, it's a group effort.
Speaker 7: I mean Will Fryes was that was his worst game yesterday.
Speaker 7: The two defensive tackles, I forgot they were on the team.
Speaker 7: It's just the guys that they signed to bolster this team.
Speaker 7: And you watched the Chicago Bears, who had the same
Speaker 7: offseason plan. They had the same exact issues the Vikings have.
Speaker 7: They're the number one seed in football, and they went
Speaker 7: the trade route on getting Tuney in the other whoever
Speaker 7: else they got as the interior of their offensive line,
Speaker 7: same plan. They won a different route. We went this route,
Speaker 7: and our route has failed miserably. And it doesn't help
Speaker 7: that the quarterbacks are bad. And that's another thing. You
Speaker 7: watch this roster and you go, man, those two guys
Speaker 7: that we have, I mean they didn't have Wentz, but
Speaker 7: like you know, we were gonna ride with McCarthy after
Speaker 7: you have the two guys, and then whatever you want
Speaker 7: to think of the Rogers rumors and however that whe
Speaker 7: whoever said Noover said, yes, they let all that go
Speaker 7: by and here we are. We've lost four st right,
Speaker 7: and they haven't scored a touchdown in two games. Somebody's
Speaker 7: going to take the fall. You don't just it's not
Speaker 7: just status quo, right, But you're gonna be a underdog
Speaker 7: in every game.
Speaker 9: That's what leads you to who cares who's going to
Speaker 9: be the quarterback next week?
Speaker 3: It doesn't, It doesn't really matter.
Speaker 1: No losing is you should want to lose.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 9: I don't think they have a choice. No, you know,
Speaker 9: it's not one of those where oh you should tank it.
Speaker 9: I just don't think you can win. They can't score no, right,
Speaker 9: and then they put these quarterbacks, these young quarterbacks, in
Speaker 9: such bad positions. Yeah, I mean you hear Koc talk
Speaker 9: about explosives. Oh he missed this explosive. He could have
Speaker 9: this explosion. Stop with the explosives.
Speaker 3: Put everything in front of them.
Speaker 9: Make it easy, Make it easy for these quarterbacks because
Speaker 9: they need to have the game slow down. And if
Speaker 9: you are just doing these long routes and everybody he
Speaker 9: has to wait until someone gets open.
Speaker 3: Now the route's so deep.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 9: I mean, just to me, it seems like I know
Speaker 9: this is your offense, and your offense is fantastic, there
Speaker 9: is no question. However, if you have players that can't
Speaker 9: pull off what you're trying to do, they just don't
Speaker 9: have the ability have to change your game plan.
Speaker 3: You just have to. And they say nobody wants to,
Speaker 3: but you have to. No, I'm not gonna all of
Speaker 3: a sudden go into the box box.
Speaker 9: And you know, and the potboy I'm going to hop in.
Speaker 3: No, it's not not a skill set that I have.
Speaker 1: Give you twenty bucks if you do.
Speaker 9: No.
Speaker 3: No, I've already called a couple of plays and it
Speaker 3: was horrible.
Speaker 6: I think all of these things are completely valid in
Speaker 6: their conversations that that probably need to be had on them.
Speaker 6: I'm guessing that they're having these conversations even at at TCOPC,
Speaker 6: you know, behind closed doors. I mean, it's it's what
Speaker 6: you have to do as an organization. Like they get
Speaker 6: paid the big bucks, and that doesn't mean that you
Speaker 6: just get to take all the accolades when things are good.
Speaker 6: You gotta make tough decisions when things are bad. And
Speaker 6: that that is the role of everybody over there that's
Speaker 6: a high level decision maker, whether you're in personnel, whether
Speaker 6: you're in coaching, whatever it is, and so you know,
Speaker 6: I think that when you win it just look, I
Speaker 6: was on a lot of winning teams.
Speaker 1: I'll go back to that twenty nineteen.
Speaker 3: I know, I know, easy, easy, easy.
Speaker 1: There's a larger point here.
Speaker 6: It's a larger point here that we knew that there
Speaker 6: were some issues in two thousand and nine with our team.
Speaker 6: We did, I mean the way that the organization just
Speaker 6: sort of worked internally. But when you win, all that
Speaker 6: gets brushed under the rug. Things don't get addressed because
Speaker 6: you're winning games. However you're winning, whether it's your your
Speaker 6: one Hall of Fame quarterback that you have, whether you
Speaker 6: know sometimes it's our defense playing well, whatever it is,
Speaker 6: those things mask all of the warts that that are obvious.
Speaker 6: But when you lose all of things, all of those
Speaker 6: things get magnified and you can't ignore it. So what
Speaker 6: are they going to do? That is the question that
Speaker 6: we all want to know. We know that there are issues.
Speaker 6: We know there are issues with performance across the board.
Speaker 6: Is it execution? Is it lack of skill? Is it
Speaker 6: lack of talent? If those are the issues that you
Speaker 6: see as well and you identify, then yes, something has
Speaker 6: to change. Changes have to be made, and they'll probably
Speaker 6: you know, obviously not going to make those changes in
Speaker 6: the season. But when the season is over, I would
Speaker 6: expect hard decisions to be made across this organization.
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Speaker 5: Give me the the teacher that changed your life the most,
Speaker 5: specifically senior year when you didn't bring.
Speaker 1: A backpack, mister Goldner.
Speaker 5: Is he the one that found you away onto the
Speaker 5: football team even though your grades weren't good enough. No,
Speaker 5: that was mister Headstrom. He was probably a team effort
Speaker 5: to get you on that squad. Oh yeah, a team
Speaker 5: effort to get you to quit.
Speaker 7: I played two games after that, and so changing my
Speaker 7: grade didn't do a lot.
Speaker 1: I didn't do much.
Speaker 7: And then when you know, when I get told you're
Speaker 7: not any good, most people would go, oh, oh yeah,
Speaker 7: proven wrong, You're right.
Speaker 5: Harder, some kind of montage video with you lifting logs
Speaker 5: in the woods to get stronger, not quit?
Speaker 1: You quit?
Speaker 4: Can we do a quick fan five because we're way
Speaker 4: behind us?
Speaker 3: Goodness getting for.
Speaker 9: A fan five on the Power Trip presented by All Around.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 7: Your Vikings lost twenty six nothing to the Seahawks.
Speaker 1: They play the Commanders next week.
Speaker 7: They lost twenty seven to twenty six to the Broncos
Speaker 7: in overtime. Week thirteen ends tonight with the two and
Speaker 7: ten Giants battling the ten and two Patriots At seven
Speaker 7: point fifteen. The Pats are minus seven. The Gophers kept
Speaker 7: the acts by beating Wisconsin seventeen to seven. The Wolves
Speaker 7: beat the Spurs one twenty five to one to twelve
Speaker 7: for their second consecutive victory over an above five hundred team,
Speaker 7: and had thirty two. They battle the Pelicans tomorrow at seven.
Speaker 7: The Wild are at the Oilers tomorrow at eight, and
Speaker 7: LSU is hiring former Ole Miss coach Lane Kiffen.
Speaker 4: I mean that was a very quick fan five a lot.
Speaker 4: I mean that you will yeah wow, like an auctioneer.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 9: You know.
Speaker 6: One thing that I think I have this correctly about
Speaker 6: Lane Kiffen that hasn't been talked about much. I guess
Speaker 6: part of his deal and this is the confusing part
Speaker 6: because I thought the whole NIL thing was sort of
Speaker 6: going away with the new revenue share. But I guess
Speaker 6: he has worked in the contract at LSU. He gets
Speaker 6: twenty five million a year in NIL alone. That that
Speaker 6: that gets that's every year, that's every year for his
Speaker 6: seven years.
Speaker 1: Every year he gets to dole out.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he gets replenished every year that he gets to
Speaker 6: spend twenty five million to buy players whoa good for him.
Speaker 4: Yep wow.
Speaker 6: I mean listen, if you can get it, you can
Speaker 6: get it. I think if there's a if there's a
Speaker 6: giant canary in the coal mine right now, it's that
Speaker 6: right there, Like this system is absolutely broken.
Speaker 3: That yeah.
Speaker 6: Well, I mean whoever the GM is, I mean, you know,
Speaker 6: I don't know if that's an official, but the fact
Speaker 6: that that the football department gets twenty five million per
Speaker 6: year to sign players.
Speaker 5: Ye sauce, Yeah, go ahead, do your best to explain
Speaker 5: the metaphor a canary in a coal mine.
Speaker 7: I think a canary in a coal mine is if
Speaker 7: you see one dead, it's bad. No, Like, isn't that
Speaker 7: the thing though? Like they have it down there because
Speaker 7: like there's no oxygen.
Speaker 1: Isn't that the bit?
Speaker 4: You got that right?
Speaker 3: Yeah? You got it right, got it?
Speaker 1: You did it. It just sounded funny. It was a
Speaker 1: canary and it's dead, that's bad. Well no, but that
Speaker 1: I mean, especially if you're the canary. You saw one, now,
Speaker 1: you'd go, oh, that bird died.
Speaker 7: But if you're in a coal mine and you see
Speaker 7: one dead, you're like, we should go back because there's
Speaker 7: no oxygen down here.
Speaker 1: It's over any more. Brainbusters.
Speaker 5: Yeah, what if you saw a canary on the fifth
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Speaker 1: What if you saw a box elder bug.
Speaker 4: Like we hired a new salesperson.
Speaker 1: You'd be like, wow, there's a burden here. Must be
Speaker 1: doing a bit. It's a live that's good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's good, thank you, Yeah, I got it.
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Speaker 1: I wouldn't know. I wouldn't do that, all right, let's
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Speaker 5: The transition from manal beads K.
Speaker 3: Was heavily implied implied. I was so confused.
Speaker 5: So Benjamin lost in the shuffle. Right, like a week
Speaker 5: or so ago. JJ McCarthy posted just terrible numbers, right,
Speaker 5: it was like a thirty five passer rating or something.
Speaker 5: In the world, including me and everybody else, said, can't
Speaker 5: get any worse.
Speaker 1: Let's put the kid.
Speaker 5: In then the kid posted like a thirty two passer rating,
Speaker 5: and then everybody last week, and then everybody last night said,
Speaker 5: you know, if you just snapped the ball and spiked
Speaker 5: it into the ground, you'd have a better passer rating,
Speaker 5: which I guess is mathematic accurate, but lost in the
Speaker 5: shuffle there is.
Speaker 1: Shouldn't that mean that we need to.
Speaker 5: Figure out a different formula, because if dropping back and
Speaker 5: throwing it right into the dirt thirty consecutive times is
Speaker 5: a better rating than what Brozemer and McCarthy did, then
Speaker 5: the formula is bad because turning over five times, but
Speaker 5: that should be a zero. If you go zero for
Speaker 5: thirty with zero yards, that should be a zero passer rating.
Speaker 1: I could do that.
Speaker 5: I couldn't do what McCarthy or Brozemer did, which is
Speaker 5: get some yards.
Speaker 1: It should be a zero.
Speaker 6: So you, like Celsius like this whole like water freezing
Speaker 6: at thirty two, Like you're like, if that's the bottom,
Speaker 6: that should.
Speaker 1: Be Zeroah, sure, I'm with you on that. Well, it's
Speaker 1: it's it's one of those fun stats.
Speaker 5: Yes, everybody that's saying you'd have a better rating if
Speaker 5: you just throw it into the ground.
Speaker 1: I know that's right, but that means the formula's flawed.
Speaker 4: Say that, to be fair, He's the only person I've
Speaker 4: heard say yeah, I stand by it. You do keep
Speaker 4: standing by it.
Speaker 1: You stand by a lot of things. I do.
Speaker 4: Wish you'd stand by the road and.
Speaker 1: People.
Speaker 5: Yeah, in front of a train, not a moving train.
Speaker 5: I doesn't want to get hit by Hawk was in
Speaker 5: when he was in a training statue like a picture.
Speaker 5: You know, by that train, you're gonna be involved.
Speaker 1: Or stand at the end of the train with Tommy.
Speaker 5: Please sing drops Jupiter, God terrible, stop off God, God terrible.
Speaker 5: Just a brutal song.
Speaker 4: I'm not going to argue about train.
Speaker 6: Nails on a chalkboard because so let's go back to
Speaker 6: that real quick before we really dive into the Viking stuff.
Speaker 6: So if you look at the QBR, the quarterback rating,
Speaker 6: so there is it like getting points on a test
Speaker 6: for just writing your name because.
Speaker 1: Passer rate in QBR, right, it's a lot of times like.
Speaker 5: You are you also get credit for like yards per
Speaker 5: attempt and things like that.
Speaker 1: Right, So sometimes I think which one is.
Speaker 5: It is a QBR that also factors in like throwaways.
Speaker 1: Or do they both PBR?
Speaker 6: No, I don't know if it's just like ESPN's way
Speaker 6: of saying, like, well, we have our own metric and
Speaker 6: that's what we're going to do.
Speaker 5: The thing that ESPN did that was smart when they
Speaker 5: came up with the QBR is max it out at
Speaker 5: a hundred, right that a perfect score is one hundred
Speaker 5: as opposed to one fifty eight point three, which confuses everybody. Yeah,
Speaker 5: but I don't understand why either of them would have
Speaker 5: a score be better than zero. If you go over
Speaker 5: thirty with thirty spikes, well that makes sense.
Speaker 6: That's that's that's what I'm saying, Like you're getting credit
Speaker 6: as a quarterback just.
Speaker 5: For fielding for not turning the ball over, for fielding
Speaker 5: the snap right, for.
Speaker 4: Not turning the ball over. Yet you're not turning the
Speaker 4: ball over. Yes, that's the big one.
Speaker 1: Which which is man? Was it yesterday?
Speaker 3: Maybe it was even so far away?
Speaker 1: Was it?
Speaker 5: Maybe it was Greg Olsen even Yeah, I think it
Speaker 5: was talking about the Seahawks.
Speaker 1: So the Seahawks don't turn the ball over much.
Speaker 5: And it's what we always talk about with like quarterbacks
Speaker 5: like Brett Favre, it is okay to have an interception
Speaker 5: once in a while.
Speaker 1: That means you're aggressive.
Speaker 5: No one's asking for forty touchdowns and zero picks. That's
Speaker 5: actually probably not the most efficient football. That means you're
Speaker 5: not taking enough chances.
Speaker 9: It does depend on how it looks though as well.
Speaker 9: I mean he's correct'm probably a contested ball up. That's
Speaker 9: one thing, but another when you're just sailing one into
Speaker 9: somebody else.
Speaker 5: Again, you go back a handful of weeks when when
Speaker 5: McCarthy threw the fifty to fifty ball to JJ, and
Speaker 5: JJ got his feet tangled up and then the ball
Speaker 5: got picked off, and then we all argued about whether
Speaker 5: or not they should have thrown it to them because
Speaker 5: it was third and fourth, third and one or fourth
Speaker 5: and whatever it was. Yeah, but I still will go
Speaker 5: back and go, yeah, but there's nothing wrong with once
Speaker 5: in a while throwing a fifty to fifty ball to
Speaker 5: the best receiver in football. If it gets picked off
Speaker 5: once in a while, you have to live with that,
Speaker 5: that's fine. Nobody's expecting perfection. We just haven't seen anything
Speaker 5: close to adequate essentially this year outside of Carson wentz Andon,
Speaker 5: and Carson was never spectacular. He was just very adequate.
Speaker 5: It was solid. He wasn't lighting it up. But he
Speaker 5: wasn't just completely killing you like these two kids are.
Speaker 1: He was giving us a chance.
Speaker 5: He was giving you a chance, and he was hurt right,
Speaker 5: and they were asking him to go out there with
Speaker 5: like one arm, barely the arm.
Speaker 1: That you can even throw with.
Speaker 5: I think you should kick a couple of balls, because
Speaker 5: why not anyway, So what do you do with the quarterback? Ben?
Speaker 5: Like you said earlier, we may be damned if we do,
Speaker 5: damned if we don't. But what do you do if
Speaker 5: if McCarthy's healthy, that's the only option.
Speaker 1: That's the only option.
Speaker 6: I think that's the the thing is, Like, as much
Speaker 6: as I all I wanted from yesterday, just from a
Speaker 6: fan standpoint, was create a quarterback controversy, brosmur go out
Speaker 6: there and light up the world and you know, show
Speaker 6: everybody that you can play quarterback and that the quote
Speaker 6: unquote system works. I know that even in that scenario,
Speaker 6: you'd still have to start McCarthy because you have to
Speaker 6: know what you're going to get out of your first
Speaker 6: round investment. I get all that, but it'd be a
Speaker 6: lot of fun if we could be having these conversations
Speaker 6: about like I don't know, I'm a Broseburg guy. I'm
Speaker 6: a McCarthy guy. We gotta get like like that's fun
Speaker 6: for everybody. That keeps the rest of the season interesting.
Speaker 6: What happened yesterday was well, I guess we go back
Speaker 6: to McCarthy and that's that's how we feel. It's you
Speaker 6: can't go back out there with bros. Mur I mean,
Speaker 6: I mean obviously unless unless McCarthy doesn't pass any sort
Speaker 6: of concussion tests, you don't. I don't think you're gonna
Speaker 6: go to Warford or Wallford. Like he looks like he's
Speaker 6: an eighth grader out there. I mean, he's I don't
Speaker 6: even know if he's six foot tall, So.
Speaker 7: I'm not like I saw him of the sidelines and
Speaker 7: I'm like, not the short king sling correct.
Speaker 1: Let Napoleon throw the football.
Speaker 12: Yeah, Napoleon, Napoleon Dynamoe my Danny DeVito chuck. Oh god,
Speaker 12: I would watch that for sure, against the commander who cares.
Speaker 1: He can't get any worse.
Speaker 3: I don't need to seem door fun football.
Speaker 1: Oh see there, you guys have so many good ideas.
Speaker 1: This would all be more entertaining than yesterday. It was
Speaker 1: eighty one. So what frank Man, we need a veteran leader.
Speaker 4: We need somebody else take experience.
Speaker 3: Yeah, let it.
Speaker 5: Just like we talked about last week that even if
Speaker 5: Brozemer didn't work, it was just gonna be exciting to
Speaker 5: try something else. Now it backfired big time next week
Speaker 5: against the Commanders, the veto runs out of the tunnel, they'd.
Speaker 1: Lose their minds.
Speaker 3: He's dressed up like the penguin.
Speaker 5: Right, oswas like the penguin because he was the penguin.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: But the Vikings, well so far McCarthy and Brosemar throw
Speaker 5: like they have flipper hands.
Speaker 1: Anyway, why not let the sling it?
Speaker 6: Yeah, let me ask you, Let me ask you guys this,
Speaker 6: what's his face?
Speaker 3: Let me ask you guys this.
Speaker 6: Take take away the result of the throw. We know
Speaker 6: that we gave the ball away five times yesterday we
Speaker 6: had four interceptions like but from but from a breaking
Speaker 6: of the hubble, receiving of the ball, progressions through the
Speaker 6: passing routes. Was there one or the other that you
Speaker 6: guys thought was like more pleasing that seemed like, oh,
Speaker 6: this actually looks like high level quarterbacking.
Speaker 9: Rosemann got rid of the ball way faster than jj
Speaker 9: JJ holds.
Speaker 3: Out of the ball.
Speaker 1: Yeah, way too long. Yeah, JJ hangs on to it.
Speaker 7: Wait, there were multiple times when JJ starts, We're like,
Speaker 7: just throw the football.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 4: If they were both first round picks or both free agents,
Speaker 4: and you told me which would I rather see play?
Speaker 4: After watching these games, I'd rather see Brosman. But that's
Speaker 4: not the point. Yeah, one's a first round draft pick
Speaker 4: and one didn't get drafted, right, that's to me, that's
Speaker 4: the determining factor if if the concussions not in play.
Speaker 6: Now, again, as best as you can, you are correct,
Speaker 6: I think the answer is gonna be the same. But
Speaker 6: the as you can, let's just say that Brose Murmer
Speaker 6: was from the University of New Hampshire and never went
Speaker 6: to University of Minnesota. He probably would feel well, no,
Speaker 6: I'm just saying like he's on the team. But but
Speaker 6: do you still feel the same way. Yeah, but the
Speaker 6: team doesn't think that way. I mean as far as.
Speaker 9: Conversation, yes, absolutely, But I mean they're not going to
Speaker 9: just go, well he was one.
Speaker 6: No, I know that, But like I think, I do
Speaker 6: think that there is that that emotional connection to a
Speaker 6: lot of the fans.
Speaker 4: Must your break, He's very combative.
Speaker 3: The spec.
Speaker 5: Sassy, where did Vito play college football again.
Speaker 1: I don't mean Tommy Davito.
Speaker 4: I think junior High.
Speaker 5: I think it's it's sauces take on the McCarthy fastball.
Speaker 5: Is what's hard to watch is the brosemurv pass to
Speaker 5: Addison that got dropped. I'm like, man, that's a good
Speaker 5: looking spiral, nice pace, that's a super catchable ball, and
Speaker 5: he dropped it.
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, we need more of that.
Speaker 5: So like that's the play that like Man brosemur can
Speaker 5: it and then it got dropped, and then it felt
Speaker 5: like the whole rest of the game he just didn't
Speaker 5: have confidence in his wide.
Speaker 1: Receivers and vice versa.
Speaker 5: So I would still slightly lean towards Brozemers an easier
Speaker 5: watch the rocket ball out of McCarthy gets frustrated.
Speaker 4: Can I ask you to answer your own question, Ben,
Speaker 4: because you know better than any of us.
Speaker 6: I like the athleticism more of McCarthy. I think that
Speaker 6: he is more athletic. I think he gives us more
Speaker 6: of a chance in a pocket that's collapsing to make
Speaker 6: a play. Now does he Is he accurate on the run?
Speaker 6: I mean I would actually, I would actually contest the
Speaker 6: fact that I think that he's he gives you a
Speaker 6: better chance when he's actually outside the pocket out and
Speaker 6: he doesn't have to think about planting his feet and
Speaker 6: his footwidth and his shoulder the playing of his shoulders
Speaker 6: and all this other stuff, like if he's even thinking
Speaker 6: about that.
Speaker 1: But everybody else seems to think that he's thinking about that.
Speaker 6: So I actually think that even though he can be
Speaker 6: an accurate outside the pocket, I think he gives us
Speaker 6: a better chance when he's on the run.
Speaker 1: He plays a little bit more backyard football.
Speaker 6: It looks a little bit more aesthetically pleasing when he's
Speaker 6: outside the pocket and he's making he's trying to make plays.
Speaker 6: I mean the touchdown that he had to Hawkinson in
Speaker 6: the in the Green Bay game where he gets outside
Speaker 6: the pocket and he was no.
Speaker 1: Is it the Lions game.
Speaker 6: I think the Lions game where he gets outside the
Speaker 6: pocket and throws a dart, you know, hits him right
Speaker 6: between the numbers, Like that, to me is better. I
Speaker 6: liked Brozmer the way that he processed better. I like
Speaker 6: his progressions were snappier, and you heard it from Koc
Speaker 6: that it was almost too snappy, like he was actually
Speaker 6: going past guys that were open where I think McCarthy
Speaker 6: is slow to read some of that stuff. The one
Speaker 6: stat that I thought was really interesting, again going back
Speaker 6: to all the PFF hunters out there that only have
Speaker 6: football takes based on statistics, is that going into the
Speaker 6: Packers game, they said, again using analytics to support this point,
Speaker 6: that McCarthy had the fifth highest average time to throw
Speaker 6: in the pocket. So if you want to talk about
Speaker 6: offensive line not playing well and not give him a
Speaker 6: chance going into that game and the games that he played,
Speaker 6: he actually had lots of time to throw the football
Speaker 6: and that's the results we got. So if we have
Speaker 6: a healthy offensive line, and you know, Brozemer gets like
Speaker 6: a lot more reps and he gets a lot more
Speaker 6: comfortable with that same offensive line that McCarthy's had, I
Speaker 6: think that there might be a higher level of quarterbacking
Speaker 6: going on. But as far as athleticism and arm strength,
Speaker 6: then I'd have.
Speaker 1: To go with McCarthy.
Speaker 5: Now, I know you asked in terms of hypothetically, right,
Speaker 5: because McCarthy was a first round pick that we technically
Speaker 5: traded up for and Max Brosmer is undrafted, right, But
Speaker 5: not to keep using the tree lance proc party thing,
Speaker 5: because I think it's the most recent and best example.
Speaker 5: I think it's exactly what everybody was kind of experiencing
Speaker 5: this week. Is McCarthy's a first round pick, Brosmer's undrafted.
Speaker 5: This is the closest thing we've seen in a while.
Speaker 5: Once the roster is set, you would hope, and I
Speaker 5: think most teams try everything they can. They try to
Speaker 5: forget where they were drafted and just say, well, who's better? Correct,
Speaker 5: because again, according to the Niners, Lore Lance was there
Speaker 5: a year, Rock Perdy gets there, and Shanahan knew in
Speaker 5: training camp.
Speaker 1: That Perdy was better.
Speaker 5: So you have to as quickly as you possibly can
Speaker 5: as a head coach, as a GM, as an organization,
Speaker 5: go all right, I know so and so is the
Speaker 5: guy that we invested a whole bunch of picks in,
Speaker 5: we invested time in.
Speaker 1: This is our future. But we already know he doesn't
Speaker 1: have it.
Speaker 5: I'm not saying they already are saying McCarthy doesn't have it,
Speaker 5: and I'm not saying they think Brozmer's the guy, but
Speaker 5: they have to forget immediately where those two were drafted
Speaker 5: or not drafted, and just say who's better. If they
Speaker 5: think it's McCarthy and I think they probably still think
Speaker 5: it is. Then they have to go back to him
Speaker 5: as quickly as possible. But you got to forget where
Speaker 5: they were picked, right, it doesn't matter anymore?
Speaker 6: No, No, I think you're right. It does not matter.
Speaker 6: It should not matter anymore. I mean, well, I mean
Speaker 6: it it does for this season. It matters where they're
Speaker 6: drafted for the rest of this season, yes, for sure.
Speaker 6: Going to the next offseason, then all of that's off
Speaker 6: the table and you just you you have to evaluate
Speaker 6: whoever they bring in. It does not matter. It has
Speaker 6: to be a true, true competition because you know, when
Speaker 6: he got injured his rookie year, a lot of people
Speaker 6: are saying that it was neck and neck and he
Speaker 6: was actually leading by a nose against Darnold in this
Speaker 6: supposed competition through the offseason through training camp. If that's
Speaker 6: what it takes to get the best out of him,
Speaker 6: is to constantly press him with competition, then we have
Speaker 6: to bring in competition for the betterment of the team
Speaker 6: and the betterment of himself.
Speaker 5: Do you think mac Jones would come here in a
Speaker 5: Daniel Jones situation because Jones went to Indianapolis expecting to compete.
Speaker 5: It ans Richardson for the job and he won it.
Speaker 5: You think mac Jones would come here if they said,
Speaker 5: look at you and McCarthy and it's a it's a
Speaker 5: coin flip, like, if you're gonna do it, you're gonna
Speaker 5: have to beat him out.
Speaker 1: Probably not.
Speaker 6: I'm gonna guess that his agent's gonna say, I advise
Speaker 6: you to go to a team though you're you're basically
Speaker 6: you're gonna starter and you're gonna get starting money.
Speaker 3: He's a positives he needs you.
Speaker 7: Got a trade for him, though he would he's he's
Speaker 7: got one year left on his contract. You could trade
Speaker 7: for mac Jones quick.
Speaker 1: Doesn't mean.
Speaker 3: In this game, Dallas Turner, what a game that guy had.
Speaker 9: He's leading sack tied right, Yeah, he's got four in
Speaker 9: the last three games. And maybe the funniest thing I've
Speaker 9: ever seen when they thought that they the Seahawks were
Speaker 9: going to do the tush push and L d R
Speaker 9: lays down on the ground and then they shifted out
Speaker 9: of it.
Speaker 3: His realization like, well they're not doing that, Okay, I
Speaker 3: gotta get back up. Give him a lot. I was
Speaker 3: cracking up when I saw that. Positive stuff. Guys, Yeah,
Speaker 3: thank you.
Speaker 1: How the positivity is thank you, thank you.
Speaker 4: I want to play that Jalen Naylor interview that you
Speaker 4: did in the locker room and ask you about what
Speaker 4: he said about the cadence situation when we come back.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, sounds good.
Speaker 5: All right, More with ben leeber More Vikings discussion after
Speaker 5: this muss is here.
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