1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:01,480 Speaker 1: Our next co host. 2 00:00:02,080 --> 00:00:04,360 Speaker 2: I believe he's their former male model under the name 3 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:05,760 Speaker 2: Mike Honcho Rick Lewis Rick. 4 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:08,520 Speaker 3: What's going on, buddy, that's Big Mike Honcho. 5 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 1: Sorry, I didn't mean to shorten your title there, Big Mike. 6 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, just get it right. I just, uh, you know, 7 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 3: if you're going to be revealing secrets about me, let's 8 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:17,120 Speaker 3: let's get it right. 9 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:18,480 Speaker 1: Making sure there was a secret. 10 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 2: I thought that was uh, you know, you had a 11 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 2: semi famous second career there in the mid eighties. 12 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 3: And that's a great name, by the way. 13 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 1: That's uh yeah, that's it's good. 14 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:32,199 Speaker 3: That should be my radio name. 15 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:33,640 Speaker 1: That's what you seriously if we. 16 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 2: Were remember when people did radio monikers, like everyone just 17 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:38,640 Speaker 2: uses their name now. You know, I always wondered what 18 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:40,920 Speaker 2: my radio moniker would be if I'd come in that era. 19 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 2: I'm sure you wrote down a list of possible names, right, 20 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:48,479 Speaker 2: most of them were already taken, Darkning, duk Han, Solo. 21 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 3: You know. 22 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 1: I just just just just an eric random names that 23 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:51,479 Speaker 1: happened to come to me. 24 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:53,479 Speaker 3: But yeah, it was. 25 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 1: It's pretty terrible. Well, uh, I can't. 26 00:00:56,880 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 2: I don't want to get too deep into this because 27 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 2: I don't want to tell on myself here. But the 28 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:03,959 Speaker 2: text line is obviously not working for us right now, 29 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 2: is that we can't see it. And so I sort 30 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 2: of did some magic to get into this website's back end, 31 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 2: and I realized that sounds dirty as soon as. 32 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 3: I said it. 33 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 2: But I'm right here and this, this website is just nonsense, 34 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 2: and so I'm like getting out of this and like 35 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 2: not messing with it further and let their tech support 36 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:21,479 Speaker 2: deal with it, because I was I was just gonna 37 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 2: go to go in there and fix it. 38 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:24,319 Speaker 1: And then I'm like, oh, this is terrible. Somebody has 39 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 1: already messed them. 40 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:27,039 Speaker 3: Up, aren't you an IT expert? 41 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:29,760 Speaker 1: I have been known to dabble in the dark arts 42 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 1: from time to time. 43 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 3: That's what you've been telling people. I'm surprised the text 44 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 3: line is still down, Yeah, because I was listening earlier 45 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 3: and heard you mention that, and I went to log 46 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 3: on and I got nothing. You guys got nothing, And 47 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:45,480 Speaker 3: here I am working today with an IT expert. 48 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, I will the funk? Yes, what the what the funk? 49 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 3: Correct? 50 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 2: As I look at this, somebody has has severely messed 51 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 2: with their their website, like severely messed with it. 52 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 3: Like aed it. 53 00:01:56,440 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 1: I yeah, like I'm not the first person in here. 54 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 2: So I just without getting too deep in the weeds 55 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 2: on this, somebody really messed them up, and I hope 56 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 2: they get it fixed. 57 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:08,520 Speaker 3: Yeah it was working this morning from my morning show. 58 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, we were well we had so it had been working, 59 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 2: and we just weren't able to reply to people for 60 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 2: a while. 61 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 1: The replies. 62 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 2: It would look like we were replying, but they would 63 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 2: never receive them, and so that was sort of the thing. 64 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 1: And now now you can't even get it at all. 65 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:23,079 Speaker 2: So somebody's been messing with this thing for a while, 66 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 2: and I hope these people get their get their stuff fixed. 67 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 3: Does this mean we have to take phone calls? 68 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:30,079 Speaker 2: You know, maybe we should, Maybe we should do something 69 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 2: old school man, old school radio, take phone calls. 70 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 1: I grew up on color drifven radio. 71 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:36,520 Speaker 2: I grew up in the South on sports talk on 72 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 2: color driven radio, you know, and like fine mom and 73 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 2: all that stuff back when it. 74 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:41,639 Speaker 1: Was you know that guy, you know, Paul. 75 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:44,639 Speaker 2: I used to love that stuff because you get every 76 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 2: with all due respect to our audience, crank out their 77 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 2: call and with the most ridiculous things of all time, 78 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 2: and watching the befuddled host like try to wade through. 79 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 1: It was the highlight of my day. 80 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:57,080 Speaker 3: Yeah. I've been using the text line mostly on my 81 00:02:57,240 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 3: morning show, but just recently, you know, trying to get 82 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 3: more phone calls in. You know. I think it's just 83 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 3: a better way to connect with your listeners and you 84 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:10,519 Speaker 3: get different voices on instead of just mine and yours. 85 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 3: So I don't know, maybe we take some calls later 86 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:12,960 Speaker 3: on today. 87 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:13,679 Speaker 1: Well, we'll see. 88 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:15,080 Speaker 2: We got I went to Squeeze Adia and we've got 89 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:16,959 Speaker 2: Jack Corgan coming about of the hour. Get a chance 90 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 2: to talk about the Rockies removing the interim tag from 91 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 2: Warren Schaeffer that which is new is old again or 92 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 2: vice versa. What do you think about the Rockies pulling 93 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 2: the tag off Warren Schaffer? 94 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what, I'm interested to talk to Jack Corgan. 95 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 3: We had him on gosh probably maybe six weeks ago, 96 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 3: and I asked him. We were talking about potential managers 97 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 3: for the Rockies. I mentioned Joe Girardi because I thought 98 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 3: that they should bring back somebody that would at least 99 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 3: excite the fan base a bit, you know, like a 100 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 3: big name dude. And he mentioned that he thought Warren 101 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 3: would be a good choice, and I was kind of 102 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 3: puzzled by that. So I'm gonna ask Jack if maybe 103 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 3: he knew something, like maybe they told him that they 104 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 3: were leading in that direction. 105 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 2: I had heard a rumor, we'll get a chance to 106 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 2: ask Jack about this when Paul de Pedesta was hired 107 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 2: that he was looking to bring in Don Mattingly, who 108 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 2: had stepped down as the Jays bench coach. Now, I 109 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 2: know the Phillies have some interest there, so I don't know, 110 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:17,039 Speaker 2: you know, maybe that was it or something. Maybe they 111 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 2: didn't think they could get Mattingly. I also like when 112 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:23,279 Speaker 2: this happened, my first thought was, you know, they're setting 113 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 2: this up so that this guy can just be there 114 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 2: while there, while they're building the ground floor. Then they'll 115 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:28,599 Speaker 2: put the guy they won in later. That was my 116 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 2: first thought that maybe I'm wrong. Maybe Jack will talk 117 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 2: me out of that. 118 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:35,480 Speaker 3: You know what, I don't think Bud Black or Warren 119 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 3: Shaffer really had much to do with the disastrous season 120 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 3: or seasons, if you will. I think it's just a 121 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 3: really bad baseball club. But to me, I think the 122 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:52,039 Speaker 3: fan base needed something, some sort of something to get 123 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 3: them excited about next season. I don't think Warren Shaeffer 124 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 3: is going to be that guy. Nothing against him, but 125 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 3: I just don't think he'll be that guy. I think 126 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 3: they probably should have worn out, and if they could 127 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 3: have got done matting Lee, I think that would have 128 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 3: been great. Joe Girardi, who I mentioned. But when you 129 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:16,360 Speaker 3: look at the the comments on social media on the announcement, 130 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:25,599 Speaker 3: almost almost unanimously very negative. Yeah, and so obviously there's 131 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:28,919 Speaker 3: no excitement there for Warren Schaeffer, not to say he 132 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:32,039 Speaker 3: won't be a good manager. Obviously something that they like 133 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 3: about him. And I can't wait to talk to Jack about. 134 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 2: It, Yeah, because Jack usually has some great insight on 135 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:38,040 Speaker 2: on those kinds of things. 136 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 1: You know. 137 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:40,600 Speaker 2: One of the big things that I had talked about was, 138 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 2: you know, stepping outside the Rockies organization to bring in somebody, 139 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 2: bringing somebody in who could be a new architect in 140 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:50,039 Speaker 2: terms of what this team does philosophically from the baseball standpoint, 141 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 2: in terms of you know, drafting and developing players. I 142 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 2: had suggested Adeki Kurayama, the phenomenal Japanese manager and architect 143 00:05:58,279 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 2: and guy who brought up you know, Show High and 144 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:02,279 Speaker 2: guys like that. But Jack was like, yeah, well, there's 145 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 2: sort of a difference there because Japanese baseball is very 146 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:06,799 Speaker 2: disciplined in those players, and then there's a language barrier. 147 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 2: They just pointed at the flaws with that. But the 148 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 2: Rockies did ultimately do what I'd suggested in a way 149 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 2: by going out and getting moneyball Paul de Podesta and 150 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 2: you know, the guy who's designed the Dodgers minor league 151 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:20,840 Speaker 2: system currently, and I think everybody knows about the movie 152 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:22,600 Speaker 2: and what he did with the Oakland Athletics. So they 153 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 2: did go out and do that. That may be the 154 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 2: air Quote's exciting move. 155 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 3: I do like that higher That one's good. And what 156 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:32,920 Speaker 3: I don't get though, I don't know if you saw 157 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:37,720 Speaker 3: Patrick Saunders comment about what they liked about Warren Schaffer. 158 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 3: One thing he mentioned is that he knows the culture. Yeah, well, 159 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 3: what's the culture is? Right? It's been a losing culture. 160 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:51,280 Speaker 3: So I don't know if maybe he meant to put 161 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:53,920 Speaker 3: that a different way, but my read on it is 162 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 3: the culture is losing, Okay, so he knows the culture, Well, 163 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 3: what's he going to do about it? And apparently he's 164 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 3: worked with a lot of these players in the minor leagues, 165 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 3: which I guess is good. But when you consider looking 166 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 3: at these guys, they're not really developing all that. Well, 167 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 3: that's one reason why the team is so bad. So 168 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 3: I'm not I don't want to be negative about the 169 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 3: higher I just I'm scratching my head a little bit 170 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 3: about it. 171 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's one of those things that And by the way, Rick, 172 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 2: I don't mean to brag, but my IT skills have 173 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 2: worked and I have hacked my way into the text 174 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 2: line and I have it now. 175 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 1: So if you guys want to text us at five 176 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 1: six six nine zero. 177 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 3: Oh, I got it. You're kidding me. 178 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 1: No, it did serious. 179 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 3: You fixed the text line. 180 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 1: I got myself in with an admin account. 181 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 3: Oh you know what, I'm gonna let somebody in corporate no, 182 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 3: which you just did here today. 183 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 1: I mean it's on the air, so I can't really 184 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 1: hide from it. 185 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:46,239 Speaker 3: I'm going to text Bob Pittman. 186 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 2: Well you you do that. Bob already doesn't like me, 187 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 2: so well, he's going to send you some Applebee's gift cards. 188 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 2: You know what, I don't do Applebe's. If he could 189 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 2: do Olive Garden instead, can we sell the card? Well, 190 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 2: you know, the unlimited breadsticks. You can't go wrong with that. 191 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 2: I'm just saying that's Olive Garden used to have this 192 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 2: thing where you could not get too far off tangent. 193 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 2: But Olive Garden used to have this thing where you 194 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 2: could get the unlimited pasta. You pay like a thing, 195 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 2: and you got unlimited pasta for the month. You remember 196 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 2: this absolutely, yeah, I remember that. My wife and I 197 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 2: went to Olive Garden about two weeks ago. We couldn't 198 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 2: believe how cheap it was. And they had a deal 199 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 2: where you buy one meal and you can take one home, 200 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 2: so basically they're giving you a free meal. 201 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 1: Okay, it's a great deal. 202 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 2: It's been a long it's been a long time since 203 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 2: I've been to the actual Olive guard i should say. 204 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:34,559 Speaker 2: But they used to have like the never ending pasta bowl, 205 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:37,200 Speaker 2: and I think they finally finally ended that, and so 206 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:38,200 Speaker 2: now it's like the buy one. 207 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 1: Get one, But we used to do they used. 208 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 2: To have a month back in gosh, I can't remember 209 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 2: what year was now, but when they first did the 210 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 2: never ending passa and you bought this like subscription deal 211 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 2: or whatever, and you could come in and whatever you 212 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 2: bought was was never ending. 213 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 1: And we used to feast on. 214 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 3: It, like back in the day. 215 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 2: When you know, when you really broke in college and 216 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff you used, that's what you 217 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 2: do is you and your buddies load up, go to 218 00:08:57,120 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 2: the olive garden and you would sit there from late lunch, 219 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 2: should tell early dinner and basically eat through for like 220 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:04,439 Speaker 2: five hours to get loaded up. 221 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 3: Oh man, if they had an olive garden around when 222 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:11,200 Speaker 3: I was in college, they probably don't open. They probably 223 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 3: didn't have that deal in a college town because you'd 224 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 3: go out of business. 225 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 2: Well yeah, I mean, I don't know how they stayed 226 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 2: in business, but you know, it is what it is. 227 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 1: So there's your free shout out for the Olive Garden. 228 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 3: They're on there. 229 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 1: You I'm six six times. 230 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:23,080 Speaker 3: There's a text line. 231 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:25,440 Speaker 2: We're getting congratulations rolling in for me getting through here. 232 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 2: So yeah, I do it for you the people. I 233 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:28,840 Speaker 2: may not be on the air anymore after this. I'm 234 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 2: not sure it's a felony in the nine States, but 235 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:34,439 Speaker 2: we're in let's see here. Earlier news toy Davis Cu 236 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 2: has offered so Dave, who was indignant that Colorado had 237 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 2: not offered the opponents that he played in football this 238 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 2: past weekend their their stardbrun receiver, and Texas had see 239 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 2: you has apparently offered, So there we go. Okay, seven 240 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:53,559 Speaker 2: one Night says nobody else wanted the Rockies job. I 241 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:58,720 Speaker 2: beg the different manager something about jumping into the worst 242 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 2: and turning it into the best. 243 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 3: Rick. 244 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 2: I don't know if you were a Madden player or not, 245 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 2: but like like whenever I started a Madden franchise, I'd 246 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 2: always take the worst teams and try. 247 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 1: To make them the best. 248 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:11,200 Speaker 2: You know, I've any tiny game I've ever played or what, 249 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:14,079 Speaker 2: I've always enjoyed the challenge of building something up more 250 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 2: than just jumping in taking the best team and winning. 251 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 3: I totally get that. And there's no pressure. You know, 252 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 3: there's no real pressure on Warren Schaeffer. After what three 253 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 3: one hundred plus lost seasons. You can only get better. 254 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:35,960 Speaker 3: There's no way they're gonna get worse. That is true. Seriously, 255 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:37,200 Speaker 3: I'm mit press man. 256 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 2: I'm flexing a little bit for a moment here. I 257 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 2: may have strutted back into the studio. There may have 258 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:43,840 Speaker 2: been a little peacocking. 259 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 3: I don't know. Well, I can't believe you would ever 260 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 3: do any peacocking. Myself is so unlike you. Yeah, I've 261 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 3: known this to. 262 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 2: Be humble, the humblest Really, I'm bragging about my humility 263 00:10:56,520 --> 00:10:57,319 Speaker 2: in an oxymoron? 264 00:10:57,440 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 3: Right now? Are you flashing your watch right now? 265 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:02,559 Speaker 2: I have one to do that, but I do have 266 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 2: some some hair ties around my wrist, so I'm doing that. 267 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:08,680 Speaker 3: Well. Great man, it's good to have the text line back. 268 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:10,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it. 269 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 2: Is there something about being connected to the listeners? Like 270 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 2: it is kind of a thing, you know what I mean? Yeah, 271 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 2: it's talk radio, That's what I'm saying. Like you don't 272 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 2: just want to talking to the void and not have 273 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:21,559 Speaker 2: any way to uh, you know, to tell you. I 274 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 2: don't think that's the other thing. Like you've lived in 275 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:26,840 Speaker 2: both eras of talk radio before you had listener interaction 276 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:28,080 Speaker 2: like that had to be by the phone, you know, 277 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 2: and you never you didn't have this sort of like 278 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:31,680 Speaker 2: real time excuse me, you didn't have this real time. 279 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:32,320 Speaker 1: Thing going on here. 280 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:35,680 Speaker 2: And I just as I look at this, I'm I'm 281 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 2: fascinated how much I've not noticed that we are we 282 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:43,720 Speaker 2: sort of need the connection now or I sort of 283 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:44,840 Speaker 2: rely on the connection now. 284 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, same with me. And the one thing this is 285 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 3: kind of inside baseball. The one good thing about the 286 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:53,199 Speaker 3: text line is you can pick and choose what comment 287 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 3: you want to read. 288 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I've ad least ninety percent of them off. 289 00:11:56,480 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 1: There's something. Some of the comments are great, but you 290 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 1: can't read them on the air. 291 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:05,559 Speaker 3: No, So you can be selective. And somebody calls the show, 292 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 3: You've got them live on the radio. That's kind of 293 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 3: a cool thing too, because you're working without a safety net, right, 294 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 3: and you don't really know what they're gonna say, right, And. 295 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:15,839 Speaker 1: That's fascinate everything. 296 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 2: Because I real quick, and we'll have Jack Corgan here 297 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:20,200 Speaker 2: in just a few minutes. But I that, you know, 298 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 2: when I was doing some of the election coverage stuff here, 299 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 2: we took phone calls after after that, and you get 300 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 2: comments from from every political persuasion. And some of them 301 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 2: are really nice, some of them were really we're a 302 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:32,320 Speaker 2: little vitriolic, some of them were whatever. And then I 303 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:33,960 Speaker 2: got one guy that I think was trying to fight 304 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 2: me on the air. 305 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 1: I don't remember. We saved that phone. 306 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 2: Called Grant's laughing now because he remembers some guy that 307 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 2: I think was trying to fight me on the air. 308 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 2: And I'm like, I don't really know what to do 309 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 2: with this right now, Buddy, I mean, you're you called 310 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 2: me like, what do you want me to do? 311 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 1: What do you want to say? 312 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 2: So there was a bit of a of a safety net, elevant, 313 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 2: elevant with all that. 314 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, the text line is a safer play, no doubt 315 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:56,440 Speaker 3: about it. And you're right, I felt a little bit 316 00:12:56,559 --> 00:13:00,040 Speaker 3: naked without the text line being up. So now I 317 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:02,319 Speaker 3: feel like, hey, yeah, we're connected, We're up and running. Now, 318 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 3: Well we got this, Yeah, I think we do. For 319 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:05,840 Speaker 3: the rest of the show, we had a lot of 320 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 3: a lot of good guests coming up. We got Jack 321 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:08,720 Speaker 3: Corgan coming up here. 322 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 2: And just if you get a chance to talk about 323 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:13,079 Speaker 2: Walter Shaffer being named the uh no longer the interim 324 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 2: now the manager for the Rockies, plus any other Rockies 325 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 2: questions we may have, we did have one on the 326 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 2: text line. So we're the odds the Rockies win the 327 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 2: Division this year. Probably, Neil Baseball is the longest turnaround 328 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 2: of any sport because the minor league system and guys, 329 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 2: you know, maturing and all that. 330 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:27,559 Speaker 1: It's just the longest turnaround. 331 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, and and the fact they don't have a salarycap. 332 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 3: I think, uh, well, we see pretty much the same 333 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 3: teams every year that are in the running. And that's 334 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:41,080 Speaker 3: one reason why the National Football League is the number 335 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 3: one sport parody in the country. It's parody and you 336 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:48,200 Speaker 3: do see teams go from worst to best in a year, 337 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:53,720 Speaker 3: and it happens on a fairly regular basis. Turned things around, 338 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:56,960 Speaker 3: you know, with when they brought in Sean Payton, pretty incredible. 339 00:13:57,000 --> 00:13:58,640 Speaker 2: So you have to be hit the broncos. You got 340 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 2: the you get the the I was just talking about 341 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 2: the look at the Patriots last year. 342 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 1: They were a three win football team, No, not a 343 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:04,960 Speaker 1: number one in the NFL. 344 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the beauty of the NFL. And that's why 345 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:08,680 Speaker 3: we love it so much. 346 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:11,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's is By the way, the two one four 347 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 2: says Ryan Edwards, seldom reads my text because I have 348 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 2: the Benjamin Olbright approach towards things, which is the correct thinking. 349 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 2: By the way, shot at Ryan, it is and you 350 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 2: know it pandered to me. So I'm obviously and of 351 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 2: course you read it every single time. Yet to say 352 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 2: that's how that works. 353 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 3: Of the show. 354 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 1: We gotta a commercial break, we come back. We're gonna 355 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 1: talk to Jack Corgan. Get a chance. 356 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:31,800 Speaker 2: So if you guys got rockies questions five, six, six, nine, 357 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 2: zeros in text on. 358 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 3: Get those in. 359 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 2: We'll get those to Jack Sean Keiler top of the hour. 360 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 2: You guys listen to KIOE Sports. Be all right, Ricklouis, 361 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 2: we'll be back. We did get a few questions in 362 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 2: here about the Rocky and some stuff to ask Jack 363 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 2: when he comes up. The three seven says a large, 364 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 2: huge bet Rockies lose one hundred games. Large bet they 365 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 2: lose eighty five every year until they don't. It's going 366 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 2: well so far. 367 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 3: Well, we'll have spent three straight seasons of losing over 368 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 3: one hundred games, which is incredibly bad. Probably a safe bet. 369 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 2: It was just kind of like our strategy last year, 370 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 2: which was bad against the Rockies every game, and then 371 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:12,080 Speaker 2: when they when they win games, you had double the 372 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 2: bet up until they lose again. 373 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 3: Yeah. You told me about that early in the season, 374 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 3: like the first week or two, and I did it 375 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 3: for a bit that kind of they when they tired 376 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 3: Bud Black, they went on a little bit of a 377 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 3: run and I backed off. Did you stick with it? 378 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 3: I did. 379 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 2: I stuck with it and came out making a fairly 380 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 2: fairly decent sum last year. So my visory I was like, well, 381 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 2: I can be miserable, or I could be a little 382 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 2: bit wealthier and miserable while I'm doing it. 383 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 1: And I chose a letter. 384 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 3: I told my son in law about that, and he 385 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 3: did it the whole season. Killed it, cleaned up. 386 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:49,400 Speaker 1: Killed it, made a little bit, made a little bit 387 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 1: of money. So oh yeah, there you go, five six, six, 388 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 1: nine zeros of text. I've got a ton of questions 389 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 1: coming in here. 390 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 2: We've got some stuff about advance Joseph and I want 391 00:15:56,840 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 2: to get to that a little bit later. 392 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 1: As far as that, but I think we got Jack Corgan. 393 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 1: We'll go out to the Kawai Coms for. 394 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 2: Health hotline to bring on your voice of the Colorado Rockies, 395 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:05,720 Speaker 2: Jack Corgan. 396 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:06,680 Speaker 1: Jack, how you doing, Buddy? 397 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 4: I'm good, Benjamin, how are you? My friend? 398 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 1: Doing pretty well? Got Rick lewis here as well. 399 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 2: Obviously, the big news today Warren Schaeffer has the interim 400 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 2: tag removed. 401 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 1: In two parter from me, one, how surprised are you 402 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 1: buying that? 403 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 3: And two? 404 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 1: Is this the right move for the Colorado Rockies? 405 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 4: Well? One, I mean I think there were a couple 406 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 4: of factors where it's not a big surprise. One it's 407 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 4: a little later in the game. In terms of hiring 408 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 4: a manager, because they went through the process before they 409 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 4: hired Paul to run baseball ops. And then I think 410 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:51,920 Speaker 4: in a lot of ways, there were the sentiments among 411 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:56,640 Speaker 4: the players and other people in the organization that they 412 00:16:56,960 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 4: liked where Warren's philosophy was taking the team. So I 413 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 4: think that was a factor. And the other factor, you know, 414 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:11,600 Speaker 4: the potential labor issue in twenty seven. 415 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 3: You know this way. 416 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:22,359 Speaker 4: From structure and finances and everything else, it all makes sense. 417 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:26,200 Speaker 3: Hey, Jack, it's your Ross Belt buddy. Rick lewis here. 418 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:30,520 Speaker 3: Thanks for coming on. Hopefully you're on a beach somewhere 419 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:33,640 Speaker 3: wearing some cut up blue jean shorts. That's what Rustbelt 420 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 3: guys do. 421 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 4: I wish, except I'm pulling out Christmas decoration boxes for 422 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:45,480 Speaker 4: my wife's So I was glad to talk to you guys. 423 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 4: Get away from the honey dudes. 424 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 3: All right, Well, it's good to have you on the show. 425 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 3: Last time we talked to you on the show, you've 426 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 3: thought I was bringing up names, like I thought it'd 427 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 3: be good to get a big name manager in here 428 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:00,879 Speaker 3: to kind of fire up the fan base. You mentioned 429 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:04,480 Speaker 3: Warren Schaeffer as he might be you know, the right 430 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:06,639 Speaker 3: guy to do this. Did you know something back then 431 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:09,040 Speaker 3: or with somebody telling you something like, hey, we're lean 432 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:09,800 Speaker 3: in that direction. 433 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:14,440 Speaker 4: Well, I did know Rick that there was a lot 434 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 4: of sentiment regardless of who would end up getting that 435 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 4: baseball ops job before Paul de Bodesta got it, and 436 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:29,600 Speaker 4: I think they felt like Warren was on the right 437 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:35,640 Speaker 4: track in terms of approach, you know, and with some 438 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:41,960 Speaker 4: really strong feelings and ideas on how to one not 439 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 4: only try and get the offense going again back at 440 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:49,479 Speaker 4: Corse Field, but just as importantly, you know, throughout the 441 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:54,480 Speaker 4: history of the franchise, the struggles to have an offense 442 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:58,720 Speaker 4: that played in Denver play at sea level, and you know, 443 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:02,919 Speaker 4: I like some of of Warren's thoughts and ideas on 444 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 4: how to make that happen. 445 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 2: Talking with Jack Corgan, Voice of the Rockies, you know, 446 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 2: Warren Schaeffer, I think for a lot of the fans, 447 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 2: whatever he may be bringing, for a lot of the fans, 448 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 2: it still represents a little bit of the old, a 449 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:18,359 Speaker 2: little bit of the same. How would you counter that 450 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 2: or how would you you argue that for fans that 451 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 2: feel that that is a letdown. With names that were 452 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:27,440 Speaker 2: thrown around included Rix beforemenage and Joe Girardi. It was 453 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 2: talk of Don matting Lee after he left the Blue Jays. 454 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:32,480 Speaker 2: How do you how do you sell that, as it 455 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:33,399 Speaker 2: were to the fan base. 456 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:39,160 Speaker 4: You know, it's it's not going to be an easy sell, 457 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:42,719 Speaker 4: regardless of who they they brought in after you know, 458 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:47,840 Speaker 4: three triple digit loss seasons. I think in some ways 459 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:54,040 Speaker 4: the game has has changed a little bit, not to 460 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:57,760 Speaker 4: say veteran guys can't do it, but the guys who 461 00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:02,960 Speaker 4: are coming up now, the younger players, and they're approach, 462 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:06,399 Speaker 4: the tools they want to use to play the game 463 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:12,720 Speaker 4: are different than Joe Girardi or a Don Mattingly if 464 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:15,720 Speaker 4: they were even interested in the job. 465 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:16,640 Speaker 3: I think. 466 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 4: It's a different job now, and that they're at the 467 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:26,680 Speaker 4: ballpark all the time. I mean the manager and the coaches. 468 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 4: I mean it seems like they put in eighteen hour days, 469 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 4: not just in spring training but throughout the year. And 470 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 4: that fits Warren's personality. I mean we use the cliche 471 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 4: jim rat, but that's what he is. I mean, he's 472 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:47,160 Speaker 4: a baseball gym rat. And you know, if a guy 473 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 4: wants to do a little more of this or a 474 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:51,280 Speaker 4: little more of that, shapes ready to jump right in 475 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 4: and do it. So I think short term it's worth 476 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:59,720 Speaker 4: the approach, and you know, you you could bring in 477 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 4: a lot of really good managers. This team is not 478 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:07,560 Speaker 4: ready to be a contender in twenty twenty six and 479 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:13,920 Speaker 4: probably even twenty twenty seven, So why not get a young, enthusiastic, 480 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:19,359 Speaker 4: teaching guy in that role and try and make a turn. 481 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:22,919 Speaker 4: I mean, that's what the Nationals have done, and I 482 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 4: mean that's what the Giants are doing. I mean, I 483 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:28,480 Speaker 4: heard a guy who's never had a moment in professional 484 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:31,879 Speaker 4: baseball great time as the head coach at Tennessee. But 485 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:37,159 Speaker 4: it kind of shows you the different feels that's taken place. 486 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:40,600 Speaker 3: Now. Hey, Jack, I'm on record saying that I don't 487 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:45,479 Speaker 3: think Warren Schaeffer or Bud Blackhead had much to do 488 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:48,680 Speaker 3: with the you know, the awful season that they just had, 489 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 3: But I do like the Paul de Podesta hire. And 490 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 3: he said something that I wanted to get your take on. 491 00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:59,119 Speaker 3: One of the things he said about Warren Schaeffer is 492 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:03,320 Speaker 3: he understands the culture of the franchise. And I'm scratching 493 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 3: my head on that one a little bit, because the 494 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:08,120 Speaker 3: culture of the franchise seems to be losing. What does 495 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:09,119 Speaker 3: he really mean by that? 496 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 4: I think he's the culture of the franchise. I think 497 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 4: he's talking about it, Rick more from a physical perspective, 498 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:23,440 Speaker 4: you know, of understanding the going back and forth, not 499 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:27,639 Speaker 4: only how the game is played here in Denver at 500 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:31,280 Speaker 4: altitude and then at sea level so many other places, 501 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 4: but the impact that it has doing that more than 502 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:42,359 Speaker 4: any other sport and certainly more than any other team. 503 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:48,240 Speaker 4: And to understand what guys are going through to be 504 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:50,880 Speaker 4: able to stay healthy is like in the NFL. I mean, 505 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:54,639 Speaker 4: you know here we are, what week thirteen, There in't 506 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 4: anybody feeling one hundred percent physically right. You know, you 507 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:04,160 Speaker 4: learn to adapt and adjust and get yourself ready by 508 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:08,480 Speaker 4: that Sunday game or whatever night you're playing, if it's 509 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 4: not a Sunday afternoon game. And baseball is that way 510 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 4: times ten because of all the games you play and 511 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:21,880 Speaker 4: all the physical toll it takes. And I think that's 512 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:25,880 Speaker 4: why Paul feels that Warren has has a sense of 513 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:27,200 Speaker 4: that kind of culture. 514 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 2: TEK with Jack Corgan, Voice of the Rockies, Jack, when 515 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:32,360 Speaker 2: Paul is I hadn't just talk to you since since 516 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:35,480 Speaker 2: Pauldi Potesta was hired. When he was hired, how big 517 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:37,640 Speaker 2: a thing do you think this is for the Rockies? 518 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:40,640 Speaker 2: And then on the flip side of that, how much 519 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 2: do you think that's going to make a difference. We 520 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:44,680 Speaker 2: know baseball is this sport where it's the most difficult 521 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:46,679 Speaker 2: to turn a team around. It takes longer than it 522 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:50,240 Speaker 2: does in any other sport. Do you think that they'll 523 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:52,480 Speaker 2: have I mean, the Rockies have exhibited patients before, so 524 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:53,919 Speaker 2: I believe they will. But do you think they'll have 525 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:55,440 Speaker 2: the patience to see this all the way through? 526 00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:57,120 Speaker 4: Yeah? 527 00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 3: I do. 528 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:06,040 Speaker 4: I'm I'm excited about out that particular aspect of getting 529 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:10,399 Speaker 4: it right and being willing to understand it might take 530 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 4: a little while to get it right. You know, the 531 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:19,040 Speaker 4: focus obviously goes to Warren Shafer being retained today. You 532 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:22,160 Speaker 4: know that Paul wanted Warren to be in that role 533 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,960 Speaker 4: kind of subtly as it happened, but it's it's a 534 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:30,200 Speaker 4: telling sign of what the Depodesta regime is going to 535 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:34,439 Speaker 4: be about. The big league pitching coach, the triple A 536 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:40,400 Speaker 4: pitching coach, the director of pitching performance, and a fourth 537 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:46,720 Speaker 4: in a minor league pitching coordinator all were not brought back. 538 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:50,439 Speaker 4: So you know, this is where Paul I think is 539 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 4: going to initially try and put his stamp on things, 540 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:58,879 Speaker 4: is crying the people that he believes can help the Rockies. 541 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 4: You know, the are never going to be the number 542 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:05,120 Speaker 4: one pitching staff in baseball, but to be a lot 543 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:08,879 Speaker 4: better than they've been the last couple of years, especially 544 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:10,160 Speaker 4: starting pitching. 545 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:14,000 Speaker 3: Jack one more from me. You know, baseball at altitude 546 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 3: is really fun to watch. A lot of hits, a 547 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 3: lot of home runs, and the Rockies have had success 548 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 3: with that when you go back to the nineties era, 549 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:28,480 Speaker 3: late nineties, but it is winning sustainable at altitude because 550 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 3: you seem to wear your pitchers out every year. We also, 551 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 3: I think we could also guess that it's going to 552 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:39,200 Speaker 3: be tough to get big free agent pitchers that want 553 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:40,040 Speaker 3: to come here and pitch. 554 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:44,400 Speaker 4: Well, you're never going to get big free agent pitchers 555 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:48,360 Speaker 4: coming here unless they're you know, Denver born and raised 556 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:51,840 Speaker 4: and want to come back and finish their career here. 557 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,639 Speaker 4: That's just kind of a reality. And it gets back 558 00:25:55,680 --> 00:26:02,400 Speaker 4: to the comment or the question before about culture. You 559 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:08,160 Speaker 4: have to have the type of pictures and more likely 560 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:11,520 Speaker 4: you're going to have to develop them through your drafts 561 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:15,560 Speaker 4: and then trades. But guys who are going to understand that, hey, 562 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:19,639 Speaker 4: giving up five runs is not the worst thing in 563 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:22,760 Speaker 4: the world when I'm at home, because that's a reality. 564 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:26,080 Speaker 4: And so that you earned run average or other things 565 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:31,080 Speaker 4: mean less, and walks per nine innings mean more, and 566 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:36,280 Speaker 4: ground ball right means more, and strikeouts mean more than 567 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:40,399 Speaker 4: the home runs you're going to give up, just with 568 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:44,640 Speaker 4: the reality of that, and then to have also Rick 569 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:50,640 Speaker 4: and I think the mindset that when I go out 570 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:54,280 Speaker 4: on the road, because I was able to be good 571 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 4: enough at home that now on the road, I can 572 00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,800 Speaker 4: dominate because I have ideal conditions. 573 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:04,240 Speaker 2: TI with Jack Corrigan, Voice of your Colorado Rockies, as 574 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:07,520 Speaker 2: we look forward to the next season, is there any 575 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:09,680 Speaker 2: I mean, I see some building blocks here with this team. 576 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 2: I know you obviously do every day out there that 577 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:14,720 Speaker 2: they can build around. Is there any solution though to 578 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:16,720 Speaker 2: maybe the Chris Bryant situation. 579 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:27,119 Speaker 4: Oh golly, I gotta go, Benjamin. I'm sorry, you know 580 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:32,000 Speaker 4: it is the it is hanging over the franchise. I mean, 581 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:35,399 Speaker 4: I don't think Chris is going to play, you know, 582 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:38,560 Speaker 4: another game in the big leagues. It just sounds like 583 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,840 Speaker 4: it's a condition. It's just not going to enable him 584 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:45,680 Speaker 4: to play at the level that's comfortable enough for him 585 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:49,399 Speaker 4: or good enough, you know, to play amongst the best 586 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:54,600 Speaker 4: baseball players in the world. You know, I'm hopeful that 587 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:59,399 Speaker 4: they'll reach some kind of decision on that because it 588 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,639 Speaker 4: does hang over the club a little bit, and I 589 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:03,760 Speaker 4: get that he wants to keep playing. They're gonna have 590 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,520 Speaker 4: to pay him the money regardless. But if there's a 591 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:10,760 Speaker 4: way to move on from it, you know that that 592 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 4: Chris does retire and maybe they work out some solution 593 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 4: to defer some of the money that they are going 594 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,879 Speaker 4: to have to pay him. Spread it out, not Bobby 595 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,480 Speaker 4: Beni alike, but spread it out a little bit and 596 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:28,960 Speaker 4: then you know, have the chance to use that money 597 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:32,439 Speaker 4: in other areas. But you know, it was it was 598 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:36,040 Speaker 4: something the Rocky's tried and you know, it didn't work. 599 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:39,680 Speaker 4: And as as as Paul di Badesta said, he goes 600 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:42,640 Speaker 4: he went through the Deshaun Watson stuff with the Browns, 601 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:47,440 Speaker 4: so he's used to that, you know, as something that 602 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:49,320 Speaker 4: you're just gonna have to figure out a solution. 603 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:52,800 Speaker 1: Jack. 604 00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:55,680 Speaker 2: We appreciate you taking the time out to talk to 605 00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:58,400 Speaker 2: being Rick today, and you know, Hopefully this Warren Shaeffer 606 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 2: thing works out better than any of and vision. And 607 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,520 Speaker 2: let's look forward to listen to you guys obviously on 608 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:04,880 Speaker 2: the call this spring. 609 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,960 Speaker 4: Sounds good. Always great to visit with you guys anytime, 610 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 4: my friends. 611 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, many thanksgiving Jack. 612 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:12,440 Speaker 1: I appreciate it. 613 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:17,040 Speaker 2: Jack Corgan, yep, voice of your Colorado Rockies. Always love 614 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:19,680 Speaker 2: talking to talking to Jack. Get a chance to talk 615 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:21,280 Speaker 2: about the Rockies in a you know, in a somewhat 616 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:23,480 Speaker 2: positive manner versus the way that it's been for the 617 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:27,280 Speaker 2: last couple of seasons. And I always appreciate that. You know, 618 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,280 Speaker 2: Jack brings the optimism to the table. It makes you, 619 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:32,880 Speaker 2: it makes you think about it with that great inside perspective. 620 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:32,760 Speaker 1: That he has. 621 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:35,800 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, he knows more about baseball than just about 622 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:38,520 Speaker 3: everybody in this town. He's been doing it his entire life. 623 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:40,920 Speaker 3: And a ton of respect for him. Oh yeah, I'm 624 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,520 Speaker 3: a big Jack Corgan guy, you know. And you guys 625 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,800 Speaker 3: weren't around here in the early two thousands when the 626 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:50,600 Speaker 3: Rockies did experiment with going out and signing big free 627 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:54,840 Speaker 3: agent pitchers Mike Hampton in two thousand and one, he 628 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,920 Speaker 3: was a bust. Danny Nagel came along about that same year, 629 00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,920 Speaker 3: I think two thousand and one, and too he was 630 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,880 Speaker 3: also a bust. And then they decided, well, that's not 631 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,960 Speaker 3: the way to go. But they did give it a shot, 632 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,640 Speaker 3: and since then they they just they don't even think 633 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,720 Speaker 3: about doing it. Like Jack said, you're never gonna get 634 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:16,120 Speaker 3: a big free agent pitcher to come here, and I 635 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:17,000 Speaker 3: want to pitch here. 636 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:17,520 Speaker 1: That's why. 637 00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:19,480 Speaker 2: I mean, like my suggestion to that, and maybe I'm 638 00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:21,480 Speaker 2: just you know, maybe I'm just some neophyte out there, 639 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 2: you know, spitball of it. My suggestion to that was, 640 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,640 Speaker 2: why not look for ground ball pitchers? You know, back 641 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,000 Speaker 2: a couple of years ago, there's a guy Dallas Kichel, Uh, great, 642 00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:30,920 Speaker 2: great ground ball pitcher. Look for a couple of ground 643 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 2: ball pitchers, look for a knuckleballer, and and put a 644 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,320 Speaker 2: staff together, you know, between the guys you're developing and 645 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:39,040 Speaker 2: maybe one or two of those guys, and see if 646 00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,880 Speaker 2: that's not a feasible way to frankenstein it together. 647 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,400 Speaker 1: But they just they just did not agree with that philosophy. 648 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:50,160 Speaker 3: Apparently, I see where you're going with that. It kind 649 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:54,440 Speaker 3: of makes sense to me. I just don't think they 650 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:59,720 Speaker 3: know what to do. Yeah, you know, seriously, playing at 651 00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:03,640 Speaker 3: my high altitude, it really just takes a toll on 652 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:07,880 Speaker 3: your bullpen, your pitching staff, and eventually you get demoralized 653 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,280 Speaker 3: and a lot of times you're hurting guy's arms too. 654 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:13,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think there's there's got to be something 655 00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:16,040 Speaker 2: to a literal pitch count on your pitchers, you know, 656 00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:18,000 Speaker 2: when it comes to when it comes to stuff like that. 657 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 1: But I remember I was suggesting this. 658 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,560 Speaker 2: I think back in gosh, what was it had been 659 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,080 Speaker 2: twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen when I first got out here, 660 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:27,480 Speaker 2: and I was looking at this rocky situation. I'm like, yeah, 661 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:29,000 Speaker 2: the pitchings things, How are we going to get around that? 662 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:29,400 Speaker 3: Man? 663 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:30,040 Speaker 1: That was my sugget. 664 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:32,160 Speaker 2: Now at the time, Kikele was just developing into what 665 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,280 Speaker 2: he would later become. And then, you know, his career 666 00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:36,360 Speaker 2: flamed out almost as quickly as you know he was. 667 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:37,760 Speaker 2: He had a four year, five year run there and 668 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,640 Speaker 2: then that was about it. But you know, to me, 669 00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:42,280 Speaker 2: that just seemed like what you would look for if 670 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,160 Speaker 2: you're out here where the ball carries it out, dude, 671 00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:45,800 Speaker 2: go get you some ground ball, some guys that force 672 00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,360 Speaker 2: ground balls. And Kikel was was by far the best 673 00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:51,040 Speaker 2: at at the time, and and and turn around and build, 674 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:52,680 Speaker 2: you know, build a roster that has one or two 675 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:54,440 Speaker 2: of those guys on it, maybe a knuckleballer on the 676 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:55,920 Speaker 2: back end, and and go from there. 677 00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,760 Speaker 3: That makes too much sense. Actually, I why I I 678 00:31:58,880 --> 00:31:59,320 Speaker 3: really don't. 679 00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:01,560 Speaker 2: I'm just some nerve who's's fixing the text line here, Rick, 680 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,160 Speaker 2: I'm you know, I didn't. I didn't study at the 681 00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:06,800 Speaker 2: school of school of modeling, like big my concho. 682 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,000 Speaker 3: Well, thank you for putting the big in front of 683 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:11,040 Speaker 3: the mi concho part. 684 00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:12,960 Speaker 1: It's important part of hard way. 685 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:14,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, you got it run the first time I came 686 00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:19,280 Speaker 3: out here. Work quick. But no, I think that makes sense. 687 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:24,600 Speaker 3: It's just it looks like the only chance you really 688 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:28,760 Speaker 3: have is to hope you can draft a guy and 689 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,200 Speaker 3: develop a guy that turns out to be an ACE, 690 00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:35,440 Speaker 3: and those guys are feeling far between, and the Rockies 691 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:36,600 Speaker 3: have had a tough time doing that. 692 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:39,200 Speaker 2: Well yeah, and I mean, like the the other part 693 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,560 Speaker 2: of that, that theory that I put out there is 694 00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:44,000 Speaker 2: you're you are drafting and developing those guys, right, You're 695 00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:45,920 Speaker 2: hoping to get one or two, you know, maybe one 696 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,000 Speaker 2: ACE and one one fairly good picture that you won too. 697 00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:49,680 Speaker 2: We got a couple of ground ball pitchers and and 698 00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:51,840 Speaker 2: a knuckleballer, and that's a five man rotation, you know. 699 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,480 Speaker 1: Uh, and those knuckleballers they tend not to wear. 700 00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:56,720 Speaker 2: They tend to they tend to have extended careers, you know, 701 00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,040 Speaker 2: so maybe that guy sticks around a while. It's just 702 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:00,680 Speaker 2: you know, you gotta find one. And so that that's 703 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:01,960 Speaker 2: sort of the thing at the end of the day. 704 00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,000 Speaker 2: Like again, I made sense to me, But what do 705 00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:05,760 Speaker 2: I know. I'm just some doork with a microphone. 706 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:08,600 Speaker 3: I'm trying to think the last time the Rockies had 707 00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:12,760 Speaker 3: an ace that they I think you've all though Jimenez 708 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:16,040 Speaker 3: maybe and that was, like it's got to be ten 709 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:17,720 Speaker 3: to fifteen years ago, maybe more than that. 710 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:19,520 Speaker 2: Well, what do you consider like what would you consider 711 00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:22,960 Speaker 2: an ACE? Well, back in the day, and ACE is 712 00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:25,920 Speaker 2: a guy that's is your stopper. 713 00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:28,840 Speaker 3: You know, this guy's gonna go out every fourth or 714 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,600 Speaker 3: fifth game and you're not gonna have a long losing 715 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,880 Speaker 3: streak because you know this guy is gonna But but 716 00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:38,120 Speaker 3: pitching changed so much, Ben as you know, of the years, 717 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,080 Speaker 3: guys don't have complete games anymore. So now you're relying 718 00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:45,600 Speaker 3: on bullpens. So ace pitchers today, they're really only pitching 719 00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:48,040 Speaker 3: six innings then they get pulled out. 720 00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:51,120 Speaker 1: It's that long, long gone of the days. 721 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:53,479 Speaker 2: And I grew up on baseball, like you know, Nola Ryan, right, 722 00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:57,240 Speaker 2: you know, we will never see that again, no, you know, 723 00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,560 Speaker 2: at least not just based on what we know. 724 00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:00,720 Speaker 1: I can't. 725 00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:02,240 Speaker 2: I'm trying to think of the last time we would 726 00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,720 Speaker 2: have had we would have had an ace And the 727 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:08,480 Speaker 2: only thing that I mean that I can think maybe, 728 00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:10,560 Speaker 2: I mean, did we can kind of consider Freeland that 729 00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:14,640 Speaker 2: back in twenty eighteen or whatever it was, you know, 730 00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:19,480 Speaker 2: maybe you know, I typically would say seven with a 731 00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:21,480 Speaker 2: two eight five era that yeah, you know, we kind 732 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:23,400 Speaker 2: of considered that, and then everything after that was a disaster. 733 00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:26,080 Speaker 2: But yeah, he came close to winning twenty games, you 734 00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,960 Speaker 2: know once again back in the day, a twenty game winner. 735 00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:29,600 Speaker 3: Yeah he was. 736 00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:32,480 Speaker 2: He was fourth in the Say Young Award, you know, voting, 737 00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,239 Speaker 2: so that that twenty eighteen would be the closest that 738 00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:35,960 Speaker 2: you could get to that. 739 00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:36,440 Speaker 3: Here we are. 740 00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:37,759 Speaker 2: I mean, that doesn't seem that long ago, but it's 741 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:39,680 Speaker 2: twenty twenty five. It's been eight years. That's the last 742 00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:39,920 Speaker 2: time that. 743 00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:40,960 Speaker 1: The ring was won. The Super Bowl. 744 00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:45,320 Speaker 3: So Eubaldo him Menez in twenty ten was nineteen and eight, okay, 745 00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:48,560 Speaker 3: well a two point eight eight er, yeah, and Freeland. 746 00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,000 Speaker 2: Was seventeen seven two eight five. So that's about you know, 747 00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:52,600 Speaker 2: I mean, that's that's roughly I think what you're looking for. 748 00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:55,600 Speaker 2: There's somebody who's about twenty wins, who's a sub three 749 00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,160 Speaker 2: era that that kind of picture, I think is if 750 00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:00,000 Speaker 2: we're quality a five, it is an ad quote unquote 751 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,759 Speaker 2: A yeah. So in their history, that's as close as 752 00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,239 Speaker 2: they got. Good lord, two guys, two guys in the 753 00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:07,879 Speaker 2: last but twenty years more. 754 00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:12,720 Speaker 1: That's so bad. That's oh so bad. Yeah, oh my goodness. 755 00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:14,759 Speaker 2: All right, well we're gonna switch gears. We'll talk a 756 00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,719 Speaker 2: little seu H football. We got Sean keeler uh coming 757 00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:19,640 Speaker 2: up here next. You guys are listen to cantwait Sportspe. 758 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:21,120 Speaker 2: But all right, Rickulars, Phil and they will be back.