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Speaker 2: It is indeed that time again, a little late, but

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Speaker 3: Where would you like to start? I think we have

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Speaker 4: Blue is relaxed, at ease, calm, lovable. Black is trends nervous, harassed, overworked, Gray, anxious, nervous, strained, Amber, nervous,

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Speaker 4: mixed emotions, unsettled, green, average reading active, not under stress, blue, green,

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Speaker 2: No, this is a across country skier named Johann I'm

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Speaker 3: That's exactly right.

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Speaker 5: So that's part of what makes this conversation right now

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Speaker 2: That's the key to it, one hundred percent right. Alex

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Speaker 4: Don't remember the name of the reporter. I thought I

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Speaker 2: It was, I believe, an ESPN reporter throughout the name

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Speaker 5: Well, I do think the Vikings really like Anthony Richardson

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Speaker 5: Bill Belichick used to always say, you have to be

438
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Speaker 5: able to run when they know you're gonna have to

439
00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 5: when you're gonna run, and you have to be able

440
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Speaker 5: to throw and they know you're gonna throw. And I

441
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 5: don't feel like the Vikings have met those marks in

442
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Speaker 5: totality over the last four seasons.

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Speaker 4: Is there any reason to believe that the Joe Burrow

444
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Speaker 4: fantasy is going to be in play this offseason?

445
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Speaker 5: If the Cincinnati Bengals, for some reason we're willing to

446
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:25,400
Speaker 5: part with Joe Burrow, or if his representation, which funny enough,

447
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 5: is the same representation of Jaj McCarthy, we're willing to

448
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:34,840
Speaker 5: force his way out of Cincinnati. Do I expect the

449
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:38,359
Speaker 5: Vikings would be very much involved in trying to bring

450
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 5: him here? Absolutely, I just there's been no indication that

451
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Speaker 5: I've gotten that Cincinnati would trade someone who brings ample

452
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Speaker 5: people to that stadium every Sunday. So until that becomes

453
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Speaker 5: more realistic, it's hard to envision it.

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Speaker 2: Is there any reason to believe I had a couple

455
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Speaker 2: texts a law this line of thinking, basically saying, look,

456
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 2: the Vikings, the competitive rebuild has its limits, that the

457
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 2: Vikings need to get younger, they need to get faster.

458
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Speaker 2: So the proposal here is, let's stop kidding ourselves. Let's

459
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Speaker 2: actually even consider trading some of our more attractive assets,

460
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Speaker 2: perhaps for some extra first round picks, and then let

461
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Speaker 2: McCarthy play, make his mistakes, let him learn with the

462
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 2: assumption that there is something there, and the pressure will

463
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:38,400
Speaker 2: be off to the extent that unlike this past season,

464
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Speaker 2: people including in the organization, all a better understanding that

465
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Speaker 2: you want to call it a gap here, whatever you

466
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 2: want to call it, that we're just not quite there

467
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Speaker 2: any reason to believe that that thinking what is taking

468
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Speaker 2: hold or might take hold this offseason for the Purple.

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Speaker 5: I mean, it's really difficult to imagine that this ownership grew,

470
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Speaker 5: which has never been willing to go that route, would

471
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Speaker 5: all of the sudden go that route after a season

472
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Speaker 5: that the Vikings just had. And so the answer that

473
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Speaker 5: I would be pretty stunned if that were the process

474
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Speaker 5: and the approach that this organization took. And not to

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Speaker 5: bring up Seattle again, it's just on my mind. I mean,

476
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Speaker 5: Seattle is a fascinating example of an organization that has

477
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 5: been pretty similar to the Vikings and how they've operated

478
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:34,679
Speaker 5: in terms of wanting to be competitive every season. Now,

479
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 5: part of what contributed to this twenty twenty five team

480
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,959
Speaker 5: and to what they accomplish is the fact they traded

481
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Speaker 5: Russell Wilson, venerated more first round picks, a lot of them,

482
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Speaker 5: and then they drilled the draft for three years in

483
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Speaker 5: a row. And so I think, while we talked about

484
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Speaker 5: everything else, and I've said this to buddies and I'm

485
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Speaker 5: not sure they enjoyed me saying it, but until the

486
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Speaker 5: Minnesota Vikings hit the draft year after year, specifically up top,

487
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 5: it's going to be really, really difficult to reach the

488
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Speaker 5: place that everyone in these towns deserves to reach at

489
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Speaker 5: some point in their lives is what I would say

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Speaker 5: it is.

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Speaker 2: The lesson from the dismissal of the general manager is

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Speaker 2: the lesson that you believe the team will take out

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Speaker 2: of it that we got. We might have gotten a

494
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 2: little too cute, we might have gotten a little too

495
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 2: excited with ourselves that we're thinking out of the box,

496
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Speaker 2: and we're getting somebody quirky, and we're getting somebody who's

497
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Speaker 2: gonna see the forest for the trees. And you know,

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Speaker 2: we kind of liked the fact that he didn't eat,

499
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Speaker 2: drink and sleep this stuff and what seemed you know,

500
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Speaker 2: kind of with it in a while and fashionable and

501
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 2: exciting and different at the time that we're now at

502
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Speaker 2: a place where you go, you know, in the end,

503
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 2: maybe boring is better, or maybe somebody who has been

504
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 2: brought up in this stuff eat drink and sleep. It

505
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 2: has a you know, a scouting background almost from the beginning,

506
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Speaker 2: is actually going to serve our purposes better.

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Speaker 5: What do you think, Yeah, I think the lesson, I

508
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 5: mean definitely can be or or or there's a tendency

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Speaker 5: probably for the lesson to be very emotional and to

510
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 5: almost as often happens with it happens with coaches too.

511
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Speaker 5: To where you just shift to the entire opposite end

512
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Speaker 5: of the spectrum. And I'd say, like if I were

513
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Speaker 5: speaking to ownership, which they don't consult me all the

514
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 5: time for my opinions, I think the lesson should be

515
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Speaker 5: that what's so important for that general manager role is

516
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Speaker 5: to be able to establish, just like a coach does

517
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Speaker 5: for a locker room faith, that the processes that are

518
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Speaker 5: in place are the ones that are going to lead

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Speaker 5: us to the mountaintop. And it doesn't I mean, whether

520
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 5: it's background, or whether whether it's scouting experience. I mean,

521
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 5: so much is just for me. It's just self awareness,

522
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 5: relational ability, all of that stuff is as important as

523
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Speaker 5: as everything else. But I would also say that there

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00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:21,719
Speaker 5: need to be lessons taken beyond just I mean quaisidofo Mitza,

525
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Speaker 5: I would say that, I mean, this scouting staff has

526
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Speaker 5: been in place for a long time here with this organization,

527
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 5: and while scouts and college scouting directors don't don't pick players,

528
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Speaker 5: and mostly they just provide information that sometimes coaches and

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Speaker 5: executives and gms take or don't take. Like I do

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Speaker 5: think that information and ensuring you have really good information

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Speaker 5: is important. So what I would expect rob Razinski at

532
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Speaker 5: ownership to take a long look at just the structure entirely,

533
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Speaker 5: and if they don't, I'm not sure if there is

534
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Speaker 5: a lesson learned is as all encompassing as it needs

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Speaker 5: to be.

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Speaker 2: The last item I think for today, the assumption is

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Speaker 2: that with you know, the perman general manager gone and

538
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Speaker 2: now you got Brazinski kind of in this trial run,

539
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Speaker 2: that Kaos is gonna have even more power than perhaps

540
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Speaker 2: we even thought he had going into the draft last year,

541
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Speaker 2: when it was already clear that he was more than

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Speaker 2: just a coach, even if that was his only title.

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Speaker 2: So where does kao c fit into this whole thing?

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Speaker 2: I mean, you think he's gonna get leaned on even more?

545
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Speaker 3: Is that good? Is that healthier? Or what do you think?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a great question, and yeah, I mean, without

547
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 5: a doubt, I think she'll get leaned on even more.

548
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Speaker 5: But I don't in saying that, I don't want to

549
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Speaker 5: minimize the role and the voice that he has had

550
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Speaker 5: now for multiple seasons, specifically with the quarterback decisions, and

551
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Speaker 5: also I mean with with draft picks and roster as

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Speaker 5: a whole. You I mean, you raise an interesting question

553
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Speaker 5: like part of The reason you have a general manager

554
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 5: in a front office is to look kind of over

555
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 5: the long haul or over a multi year period, and

556
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 5: coaches rarely do that because they're coaching for their jobs

557
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 5: every single day, and so it creates almost this organic

558
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 5: conflict and every and and this has been the case

559
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 5: over the years in this league and in other leagues,

560
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 5: whether it's fastball as well. And so it's gonna be

561
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Speaker 5: really interesting to watch and observe how many decisions the

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Speaker 5: Vikings are making, you know, for just a very short term,

563
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Speaker 5: and what that might mean in terms of taxing things

564
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Speaker 5: for the long term, if that indeed is the process. So,

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Speaker 5: I mean, this next month and it begins in two

566
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 5: weeks that the NFL scouting Combine will tell I mean,

567
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Speaker 5: it will answer so many questions in terms of real

568
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 5: commitment to JJ McCarthy or lack thereof what Kevin O'Connell

569
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Speaker 5: values for the quarterbackerup for twenty twenty six. You know

570
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Speaker 5: how much they are dipping their toes in the future.

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Speaker 5: For the present, all of those questions will be answered

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Speaker 5: with action over the next month.

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Speaker 2: Do we have any reason to believe that quasy is

574
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Speaker 2: going to surface by giving one of you jackals the

575
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 2: opportunity to hear what he has to say about all

576
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Speaker 2: the things that have been said and written about his tenure.

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Speaker 5: It's a good question. There's probably some contractual aspects to that,

578
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:46,879
Speaker 5: and there's also typically agent advice that plays a role

579
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 5: in do some of that. But yeah, I would also

580
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Speaker 5: say this about Quacy, and I mean this comes from

581
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Speaker 5: I think I did a story on him before last

582
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 5: season where I sat with him for three different times,

583
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 5: for an hour each time, and he's just working, you know,

584
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 5: to establish a certain position within the media. Has never

585
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Speaker 5: been his mo He has mostly thought and taken the

586
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 5: tact of the decisions that we make, and the final

587
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 5: results are going to write the narrative of how things go.

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Speaker 5: And so it'll be interesting to see if he does.

589
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Speaker 5: And I'm sure if or when he does, it'll be

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Speaker 5: thoughtful because usually it's kind of how it was and

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Speaker 5: has been with him.

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Speaker 2: I enjoyed your ten point plan. I appreciate the time.

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Speaker 2: As always, we'll keep in touch. Thank you, Alec, as

594
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Speaker 2: always sounds good.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Alec Lewis covers the Vikings and the National Football League

597
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 2: for an enterprise called The Athletic, which is now technically

598
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 2: a part of the New York Times. Worked out pretty

599
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Speaker 2: well for athletic pioneers like Johnny Athletic and you know

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Speaker 2: John Krasinski from the old days. A pause here, we'll

601
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Speaker 2: get some interesting reaction via the X the well not

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Speaker 2: X line that's very different, the bratch on Brian cafe

603
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Speaker 2: in text line, and explore a couple of other controversies

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Speaker 2: before we wrap things up at six point thirty tonight, though,

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Speaker 2: share me, I Dina Dan. I know you're a fan

606
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:29,360
Speaker 2: of sports excellence. You have to watch this Norwegian Nordic

607
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 2: skier at least once. He is toying with the field,

608
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 2: absolutely blowing other skiers away to the finish line.

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Speaker 3: We talked about him earlier.

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Speaker 2: He's being described as the Michael Phelps of the Winter Olympics,

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Speaker 2: and he has already I believe, won two golds and

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Speaker 2: is expected to have a good chance to win four

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Speaker 2: more six goals at the Winter Olympics. That would be

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Speaker 2: a Winter Olympic.

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Speaker 4: Record, by the way, although how many did Eric Heiden,

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Speaker 4: the famous speed skater.

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Speaker 3: From the United States.

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Speaker 4: He was just featured in the nineteen eighty Miracle movie

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Speaker 4: was he I believe?

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Speaker 5: So?

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah?

622
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Speaker 4: He said he would win a gold and the next

623
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Speaker 4: day he'd go watch the hockey team. Basically, it was good.

624
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Speaker 4: It was a good bit.

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Speaker 3: He won a bunch.

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Speaker 4: I thought, I think, why I you know, I didn't

627
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Speaker 4: eighty four I covered, and I know I spent some

628
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 4: time around Eric Heiden At.

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Speaker 3: The nineteen eighty Olympics.

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Speaker 4: He was the most successful athlete, set four Olympic records,

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Speaker 4: one world record, won five individual gold medals, more than

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Speaker 4: any other athlete. So this would this would trump that

633
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Speaker 4: if he gets if thet s the Nordic skier from

634
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Speaker 4: Norway gets to six, so five, that doesn't surprise me.

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Speaker 4: He was born in Madison and then moved to Shorewood Hills, Wisconsin,

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Speaker 4: New k Wisconsin.

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Speaker 5: Guy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, those are the days.

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Speaker 4: I there was for some reason in the speed skating community.

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00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 3: Again going back to.

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Speaker 4: Eighty four, there was some kind of schism and I

642
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 4: don't remember if it.

643
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 3: Was a coaching issue.

644
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Speaker 4: Or personality conflict.

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Speaker 2: And I will tell you I ended up in West Alice, Wisconsin.

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Speaker 2: This was when I was working in Dallas. So I'm

647
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Speaker 2: preparing to cover the eighty four Olympics and we're doing

648
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Speaker 2: all I'm doing all kinds of preview stuff. So I

649
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Speaker 2: find myself in West Alice, Wisconsin, to show up at

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Speaker 2: a press conference in which they are speed skaters yelling

651
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Speaker 2: at one guy was a Chicago Tribune reporter who had

652
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Speaker 2: written about the dissension, and I thought it was gonna

653
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Speaker 2: I thought I was going to have to help break

654
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Speaker 2: up a fight because a couple of the speed skaters,

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Speaker 2: not a.

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Speaker 4: Hit heiden, but a couple of others. They're yelling at

657
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Speaker 4: this one reporters guy's name was John Hussar, And one

658
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 4: of the skaters like, he's he's standing up, you know,

659
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 4: they're like up on a stage. He stands like and

660
00:38:57,239 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 4: then yeah, you who saw you're a part of the whosar?

661
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:03,840
Speaker 4: Some of the stuff you report it's just garbage, And

662
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 4: I'm going, what have I walked into? But the beauty

663
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:09,279
Speaker 4: of it was it made it a juicy story because

664
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 4: otherwise not speed skating, I mean, how interesting can speed

665
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 4: skating be?

666
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 5: Right?

667
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 3: But there was a speed skating schism. It was unbelievable,

668
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 3: and whosa who sacks mid light?

669
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 4: They cooked it up or was fomenting it, and we

670
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 4: all got the advantage the benefit of it because then

671
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:26,720
Speaker 4: we're all just you know, taking down this all the stuff,

672
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 4: you know, taking getting our notebooks out and our tape

673
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:32,839
Speaker 4: recorders out. As this stuff's flying back and forth. It

674
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 4: was vicious. Well how about this for a schism with

675
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 4: speed skating. So Heiden was asked to participate in the

676
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 4: opening ceremonies for the Salt Lake City Games in two

677
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:48,959
Speaker 4: thousand and two, but declined after he was passed over

678
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:52,320
Speaker 4: for the honor of lighting the torch. The torch was

679
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 4: given to nineteen eighty the Miracle Team, and Hiding said

680
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:58,760
Speaker 4: in two thousand and nine, I was probably just too stubborn.

681
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 4: I figured, if they don't appreciate what I did as

682
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 4: a skater, if they don't appreciate now what I'm doing

683
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:04,840
Speaker 4: as a human being, I just assume hang out with

684
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 4: my buddies and watch it. I did not mean to

685
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 4: slight the Olympic hockey team in any way. Wow, I

686
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 4: forgot that controversial. Apparently he turned down a bunch of

687
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 4: endorsements because he liked the anonymity.

688
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:16,479
Speaker 3: According to his Wikipedia page, as.

689
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 4: A hell the the Eric Heiden physique, eric Heiden had

690
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 4: thighs the size of like sequoias. His thighs were like unbelievable.

691
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 3: I'm looking at him right now.

692
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 2: I mean that was a very uh I mean again,

693
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 2: one of the most dominant Olympic athletes winter Olympic athletes,

694
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 2: so that we've pretty much.

695
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 3: Had ever Now I'm going to google that Husar controversy. Whusar.

696
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 4: I don't think he's alive anymore. But yeah, it was

697
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 4: almost like what's cooling?

698
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:57,400
Speaker 2: But again, I loved it because it gave there were

699
00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 2: angles there and again it's been so I do not

700
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 2: remember if it was a a coaching issue, or there

701
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 2: was some kind of a split within the team, or

702
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 2: who gets on the team was in question, or some

703
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:10,439
Speaker 2: sort of cuts, but it was.

704
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:13,439
Speaker 3: So Chicago Tribune. Yeah, yeah, he was Chicago Tribune housed.

705
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:16,839
Speaker 4: In fact, he used to have a column called Our

706
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 4: Man in Motion, John Hussar.

707
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:22,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, good reporter. I mean he was, he was very

708
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:24,320
Speaker 2: solid back in the day. But I think he's I

709
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:27,239
Speaker 2: think he's passed away. Ye sixty, yeah, fifty three.

710
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 3: He died. He died a while ago, two thousand. That's unfortunate.

711
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:38,879
Speaker 2: Somebody's asking about don't forget Apollo Ono and then Brian Boitano,

712
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 2: But I don't think they won as many.

713
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 3: To be honest with you, I'm not sure that one.

714
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 3: I'll let it go.

715
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:55,320
Speaker 2: I wonder if it's any real comparison to Jada McCarthy

716
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 2: in the comment, and it feels like he was the

717
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 2: best of the worst and the worst of the best

718
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 2: draft pick we had to make, not wanting to make.

719
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 2: Now we talk about it like he was a Covenant

720
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:05,239
Speaker 2: draft choice, and maybe that's not the case, and we're

721
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:07,400
Speaker 2: finding out the reality every time he steps on the field.

722
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:13,759
Speaker 2: Your thoughts, you know, I think there was a consensus

723
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 2: about getting him. I do think, as I've said that,

724
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 2: I don't think you can pin that just on the

725
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 2: general manager at all.

726
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:22,880
Speaker 3: I think that's way too easy.

727
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:26,840
Speaker 2: I my dream, and I don't think it's going to

728
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:33,360
Speaker 2: be realized, is that the next time Koc meets the Jackals,

729
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:39,399
Speaker 2: he volunteers that, Hey, I want to make something clear here.

730
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:42,839
Speaker 2: And he could even finesse it and say we still

731
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:45,840
Speaker 2: believe in JJ McCarthy, but I want to make something clear.

732
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 3: I was every.

733
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 4: Bit in fas every bit as much in favor of

734
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 4: JJ McCarthy and being aggressive to go get him as

735
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 4: quazy anybody who thinks that that was just a quazy decision.

736
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:03,760
Speaker 4: And I want to set the record straight and and

737
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 4: and make it clear that that's every bit on me

738
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 4: as much as it is on him. Unlikely, I'm guessing,

739
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 4: but I think because I think that's the truth.

740
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:15,359
Speaker 3: I don't like I said.

741
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 2: I there's there's plenty of stuff regarding the draft that's

742
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 2: on Quazy. I don't think the quarterback thing can be

743
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 2: put on him at at all. Top of the hour break,

744
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 2: We've got a half hour yet to go. There's more

745
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:31,320
Speaker 2: ski jumping on NBC right now. Again, how much skijo.

746
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 2: It feels like every day I've had this on, there's

747
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 2: been ski jumping. So maybe I guess it's it goes

748
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 2: on for when I guess. There's team competition, there's individual competition.

749
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:40,880
Speaker 2: There's all kinds of good stuff.

750
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:44,399
Speaker 4: And by the way, it is more exotic looking at

751
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 4: night ski jump location the mountain at night is Yeah,

752
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:50,319
Speaker 4: it's pretty good.

753
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:51,720
Speaker 3: Top of the hour pause.

754
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 2: We'll get to a couple of other controversial texts when

755
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 2: we return right here, and that.

756
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 3: Here's a callback to.

757
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:15,760
Speaker 2: An earlier discussion for this is from Minneapolis Joel, who writes,

758
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 2: perhaps Tony and Spozito would have made a really good

759
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 2: ski jumper, given how good he is at adjusting crotches.

760
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:24,239
Speaker 2: That's a callback to something Louie told us. We were

761
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 2: actually saluting the late great Glenn Hall, a former Chicago

762
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:33,359
Speaker 2: goaltender Hall of Fame who played in it was over

763
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:37,880
Speaker 2: five hundred consecutive games without and this was you know,

764
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 2: non masked days. And then he brought up Louis brought

765
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:45,840
Speaker 2: up as Posito, who came after and as Bosito for

766
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 2: a while before he got caught, had embroidered or sewn

767
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 2: into his uniform in the crotch area like a little

768
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:58,799
Speaker 2: net A little bit of netting that allowed him to

769
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 2: have a little extra help when it comes to stopping

770
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 2: the puck between his legs. Makes sense, I mean, that's

771
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 2: high level cheating. But I guess he got found out eventually,

772
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 2: And that was my first thought. I didn't want to

773
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 2: talk about it with Louis. It was gonna be too

774
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 2: complicated to get into because we had that call back

775
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 2: to the alleged scandal involving ski jumpers, right taking a

776
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 2: medication that was going to help their How do we

777
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 2: how do we put this give give them more flow

778
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:32,319
Speaker 2: when it comes to flying a little bit higher on

779
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 2: the ski jump and gaining a little bit more altitude.

780
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 2: And perhaps then a little bit more a distance as well,

781
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 2: because the previous ski jumping conference was that same thing,

782
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 2: adding some little extra material down there to help the

783
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 2: aerodynamics of the situation.

784
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:59,839
Speaker 3: What did you have against Phil Maher? Yeah, how did

785
00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 3: you find that? Well? I googled Dan Barrell. Well, I'm

786
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 3: on the Star Tribune archives.

787
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I went to Dan Barrero speed Skating, which

788
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:13,919
Speaker 4: that'd be a good AI generated image, by the way,

789
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:18,359
Speaker 4: that's for sure. And some I don't even know what

790
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 4: this is. It's in the Star Tribune. Yeah, it would

791
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:26,719
Speaker 4: have been though. The Mayor brothers were skiers that I

792
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:29,279
Speaker 4: covered in eighty four when I was still in Dallas. Yeah,

793
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 4: this is eighty four and it's in the Star Tribune.

794
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 4: But somebody who wrote this, sorry, might have been a.

795
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 2: Letter to the editor, because I my recollection is I

796
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 2: ripped them for something one of them said at the event.

797
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 4: I can't remember what it like. Phil's attitude. Yeah, Phil's attitude.

798
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 4: And because somebody said, the press has taken some pretty

799
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 4: good shots at bored and bothered Phil Mayer, but nobody

800
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 4: pours it on like Dan Barrero the Dallas Morning News.

801
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, that sounds like me.

802
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 2: And I if you want to talk about in again,

803
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 2: a pre internet era, I on my I got back

804
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:10,960
Speaker 2: from the Winter Olympics, got home.

805
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 3: And I had then the.

806
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 2: Old fashion It's almost like a cassette, you know, player

807
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 2: for messages, and you know that people could lead. I

808
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 2: had messages from Mayor brothers, fans from the Pacific Northwest

809
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 2: who had found my number which was apparently unlisted, and

810
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 2: left me vicious messages on an old fashioned, you know,

811
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 2: tape recorder phone system.

812
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was it.

813
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:43,319
Speaker 4: Got a little bit Uri Franco. You liked him. Here's

814
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:45,840
Speaker 4: the paragraph that they grabbed. The sweet story of a

815
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 4: Yuri Franco makes you, makes you contemptuous of the sour

816
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 4: attitude of a film mayor, a favorite in Franco's event,

817
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:56,880
Speaker 4: Mayor could do no better than eight. That's the good news.

818
00:47:57,239 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 4: The bad news is Mayor gets another chance Sunday in

819
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:02,840
Speaker 4: the Slow I hope he chokes again, or that he

820
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:06,360
Speaker 4: doesn't even show up. Phil Mayer is America's best skier,

821
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:08,840
Speaker 4: but he could do us all of favor by getting

822
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:09,399
Speaker 4: out of town.

823
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 3: I wonder what.

824
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:12,399
Speaker 4: I wonder what he did, as honestly, I don't even

825
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 4: remember that it was something he was. He was Moody.

826
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:17,719
Speaker 4: I think full circle at the top. He didn't like

827
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 4: he didn't like his mood. That was early Barrero savagery.

828
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 2: Because I wasn't even really a columnist then, but they

829
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 2: allowed me to write some in the in the Winter Olympics.

830
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, that goes back. I'm amazed I didn't.

831
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 2: I never knew that it ended up in Minneapolis paper though,

832
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 2: because I think we were on a New York Times

833
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:37,400
Speaker 2: news service, then that must have been what it Yeah,

834
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:41,359
Speaker 2: that's a long that's that's a throwback for sure. How'd

835
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:45,320
Speaker 2: you find that I was douned? Let me ask you

836
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 2: a Tony Dungee question. I Tony Dungee called you tonight

837
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 2: and said, Gudgie need a little advice. I'm under siege by,

838
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 2: among others, Rodney Harrison, who called me out regarding the

839
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:01,799
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame voting, and as I understand it, to

840
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:05,920
Speaker 2: this point, Dungee has refused to say who he voted for,

841
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:08,960
Speaker 2: whether he voted for Belichick or not. So if if

842
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 2: Dungee called you tonight and asked for an opinion on

843
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:16,440
Speaker 2: how he should proceed, whether he should continue to do

844
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 2: what he has a right to do, which is say

845
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 2: I'm not giving this information out, or to say, all right,

846
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:26,359
Speaker 2: I'm getting some heat, I've thought about it some more.

847
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:29,320
Speaker 3: I'm gonna I'm gonna reveal.

848
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 4: I'm gonna I'm gonna give I'm gonna explain who I

849
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:34,480
Speaker 4: voted for or who I didn't vote for. I am

850
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 4: going to explain why. What would your advice be to

851
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:38,880
Speaker 4: Tony D I don't think my advice would be good advice,

852
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:41,799
Speaker 4: because I don't think voters need to explain themselves to

853
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:45,279
Speaker 4: everybody all the time. Is he in it though a

854
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 4: position where it's harder for him philosophically to do that,

855
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:52,400
Speaker 4: given how prominent that's my question.

856
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:53,320
Speaker 3: Probably.

857
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 4: But here's to me the sicky wicket for Dungee. He's

858
00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 4: stuck in that. If he goes public and I don't

859
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:03,879
Speaker 4: know what he would say if he didn't vote for him,

860
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 4: which is the presumption. I don't even know if that's

861
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 4: fair to him, then he's if he gives the reason,

862
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:14,480
Speaker 4: and I don't know. Would Dungee's reason be to flategate?

863
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:17,239
Speaker 4: Would it be a sense of that that those of

864
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:19,759
Speaker 4: us who felt like we played by the rules did

865
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:23,279
Speaker 4: not respect what Belichick did, even if obviously he's a

866
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 4: first ballot Hall of Famer, because if that's his answer

867
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 4: and he goes public with it, he's gonna get ripped

868
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:31,360
Speaker 4: even more because it's.

869
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 2: Gonna be all that's envy and jealousy. You just couldn't

870
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:35,239
Speaker 2: handle the fact that over a period of time he

871
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:37,880
Speaker 2: was actually better than you, as good as Tony Dungee was.

872
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:42,080
Speaker 2: I think it's an interesting ethical question about what kind

873
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:45,240
Speaker 2: of advice any of us would give Dungee in terms

874
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:49,600
Speaker 2: of whether he's almost forced to go public now or

875
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 2: whether the more he talks about it, the more likely

876
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:55,879
Speaker 2: it's gonna be dismissed anyway as well, that's just that

877
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 2: competitive stuff, and one coach is too small to give

878
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 2: another coach the credit that he deserves.

879
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:03,759
Speaker 3: I don't know what. I don't think there's a good

880
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 3: answer on that. There's not.

881
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 4: And you mentioned it was Rodney that kind of put

882
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:09,319
Speaker 4: him in the hot seat there, Yeah, he did. You know,

883
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:13,279
Speaker 4: he was very tough. Yeah, that's not really taking care

884
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:15,440
Speaker 4: of his teammate there, you know what I mean? No,

885
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 4: Like that's that probably wasn't brought up in the production meeting. Yeah,

886
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 4: I'd have a hard time believing it. Heiden's thighs, Wolve's

887
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 4: mood on the rise Olympics support for wild guys, vikes, drafts, unsurmised,

888
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:33,239
Speaker 4: wolves and five.

889
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 2: It's a long way to go, but it was worth it.

890
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 2: He kind of got there, that's for sure. What about

891
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 2: Bonnie Blair, I don't think she won a bunch of gold.

892
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 2: Had she had a great run? I think she didn't.

893
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:50,279
Speaker 2: I think she was in like twelve Winter Olympics. I

894
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:52,879
Speaker 2: think she competed from the time she was fourteen until

895
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:55,920
Speaker 2: she was eighty in the Winter Olympics. Are pretty Bonnie Blair.

896
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:57,759
Speaker 2: And by the way, what of our one of the

897
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:00,480
Speaker 2: favorites from media people because she couldn't have been kinder.

898
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:04,600
Speaker 2: It's a really nice individual. Did I get lost in

899
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:06,360
Speaker 2: the thighs?

900
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:09,479
Speaker 3: I kind of did? I kind of did I just lost?

901
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:13,799
Speaker 2: Mean, it's just it's I mean, it wasn't difficult to

902
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 2: see that he was just built differently in a place

903
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 2: that on when it comes to the I guess it's

904
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:25,319
Speaker 2: an oval I think uh in speed skating it's an

905
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 2: oval h that was going to serve him very very

906
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 2: well in that regard.

907
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:30,400
Speaker 3: He was absolutely terrific.

908
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:37,319
Speaker 2: And did speed skater guy wear Bermuda shorts to show

909
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 2: off his thighs. Well, you could have. There's no question

910
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:43,239
Speaker 2: about that. No one, no one, everybody would have been very,

911
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:45,719
Speaker 2: very impressed. All right, we got one more break to

912
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:49,239
Speaker 2: get in. We'll remind you of highlights and low lights

913
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:52,359
Speaker 2: from today's program and what is on the docket for

914
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 2: the midweek edition of the Bumper to Bumper Show Back

915
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 2: in a minute.

916
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:00,839
Speaker 4: Show Wrap is presented by American Pressure, a commercial grade

917
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:03,680
Speaker 4: pressure washers since nineteen seventy five.

918
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:06,280
Speaker 3: It's the Bumper to Bumper Show rap.

919
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:12,600
Speaker 4: This might be the greatest sports photo I've seen in

920
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:14,240
Speaker 4: at least several months.

921
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:17,359
Speaker 3: Did you see it? It broke yesterday.

922
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 2: It's Sam Darnold and Kenneth Walker in the tea cups

923
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 2: at Disney.

924
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 3: I did see this. This is two football players in

925
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:32,279
Speaker 3: the tea cups. It's awesome. And look at it.

926
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 4: He's worried of he's got a Vikings cap on. That's vicious. Wow,

927
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 4: that's some trolling. That's some trolling. No, no horns, maybe

928
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:42,600
Speaker 4: some braids, not sure. I want to thank an out

929
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:45,800
Speaker 4: standing a ray of guests today. Luigi lu Nanni joined

930
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 4: at four oh two and he reminded us what hotel

931
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:50,120
Speaker 4: did you say was Standon's four.

932
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:52,240
Speaker 3: Seasons in Orlando. Correct, four seasons Orlando.

933
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:55,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, he's not playing golf because the greens fees

934
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:56,080
Speaker 4: are too expensive.

935
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:58,720
Speaker 3: That's what he did, tell me what he said. Yeah,

936
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:00,440
Speaker 3: how does he say that with a straight face?

937
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 4: Well, I mean he's got to draw the line somewhere,

938
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:04,840
Speaker 4: does he? I guess he really doesn't.

939
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 5: Though.

940
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:07,320
Speaker 2: That's the thing that's true if you're staying at the

941
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:08,880
Speaker 2: four seasons. I don't think you have to draw the

942
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:11,400
Speaker 2: line at all if you want to keep staying there. Though, Well,

943
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:13,920
Speaker 2: maybe that's it. Maybe that's it. Rich people keep their money.

944
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:14,120
Speaker 5: Man.

945
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 3: Louis was at four h two today.

946
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:17,919
Speaker 2: A lot of good stuff from him on a number

947
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:20,680
Speaker 2: of historical subjects and some Olympic stuff as well.

948
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:23,040
Speaker 4: I'll play Nicholas's place next week. I don't need to

949
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:25,279
Speaker 4: play the four sets, That's what he would say.

950
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 2: Alex lewis with a good football primer, including extensive I

951
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:35,759
Speaker 2: guess recall from his ten point how we saved the

952
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 2: Minnesota Vikings plan that he wrote.

953
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:41,480
Speaker 3: I think it was actually late last week. Really good

954
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:42,640
Speaker 3: stuff there. You got.

955
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:46,400
Speaker 2: You have kind of a runaway microphone that sooner or

956
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:47,799
Speaker 2: later is going to.

957
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:50,200
Speaker 3: Impale you in the chops. Yeah, yeah, what's the story.

958
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:50,520
Speaker 3: I don't know.

959
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:52,200
Speaker 4: I got to ask the other producers as they're having

960
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:54,520
Speaker 4: the same issue. It's it's almost like it has his

961
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:57,440
Speaker 4: life of its almost like a whack a mole almost.

962
00:54:57,480 --> 00:54:59,200
Speaker 4: I put it and then you knock it down and

963
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:00,600
Speaker 4: then it comes back back up on it.

964
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:01,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, the idea.

965
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:04,839
Speaker 4: Twice I've seen you like almost gets get almost going

966
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:07,200
Speaker 4: and need to go into concussion protocol. It's like one

967
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:09,600
Speaker 4: of the springs just got reset or something because it

968
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:11,400
Speaker 4: keeps just flying towards my face.

969
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:12,240
Speaker 3: It's pretty amazing.

970
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:15,440
Speaker 4: So unless athlete would have been hit multiple times by

971
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 4: this thing, I'm just saying.

972
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:18,640
Speaker 2: The two time state test jam, you still have the reflexes,

973
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:21,480
Speaker 2: that's for sure. Alex Lewis was between five fifteen and

974
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:25,400
Speaker 2: about five forty five or so. Tomorrow is a Kevin

975
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 2: Seaffert day. I'm assuming it's a Kessler day as well.

976
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:34,719
Speaker 2: We've got a couple other things we're trying to put

977
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:38,920
Speaker 2: into the mix now that we are in the Abyss period.

978
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 4: Obviously there's no man a little while hockey for a while.

979
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:43,560
Speaker 4: Wolves have one more game.

980
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:46,080
Speaker 3: It's tomorrow night. Right, We're hosting the Portland Trailblazers.

981
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:48,560
Speaker 4: You got it, and we'll see what our what our

982
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 4: moods are like for that game as well.

983
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:55,200
Speaker 3: Then we sit for All Star weekend. Correct. Yeah, it's

984
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:58,239
Speaker 3: at the new Steve Balmer into a dome, right. I

985
00:55:58,239 --> 00:55:59,480
Speaker 3: think that's where the All Star Game.

986
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 2: Somebody brought to my attention, did you see the latest uh.

987
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:07,600
Speaker 4: Uh Pablo tore Bomb. I don't know if I did.

988
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 4: This was my favorite tweet from the Super Bowl halftime show.

989
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:13,520
Speaker 4: By the way, while you look for what you're looking for,

990
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:17,280
Speaker 4: the all those trees, the human trees.

991
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:19,440
Speaker 3: Someone was saying that was kaw Leonard.

992
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:20,600
Speaker 4: Yeah.

993
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:22,160
Speaker 3: It was so good, very well done.

994
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:24,240
Speaker 4: That's why, as much as I hate Twitter all the time,

995
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:27,040
Speaker 4: one of those can save it for It's like golf.

996
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 3: It's the shot that keeps it coming batter, no question.

997
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:31,799
Speaker 2: It was like the shot earlier. What was the one

998
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:35,640
Speaker 2: that we celebrated earlier that was so good, the uh

999
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:37,319
Speaker 2: the chief shot. Let me see if I can find it.

1000
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:41,480
Speaker 2: I think I did favorite it, Uh, my favorite it

1001
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:42,880
Speaker 2: several so let me scroll down.

1002
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:44,840
Speaker 3: Oh, when we're talking.

1003
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:49,640
Speaker 2: About the the demise of one of your favorite bowls,

1004
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:53,960
Speaker 2: the Quick Laying Bowl, Oh yeah, is done, and then

1005
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:56,759
Speaker 2: we talked about maybe having one here and various sponsors

1006
00:56:56,760 --> 00:56:59,160
Speaker 2: and who would be in charge and a texture guy.

1007
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:02,279
Speaker 2: This is time from set Savage Southwest Light Rail Bowl

1008
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:06,520
Speaker 2: coming in twenty forty two. Maybe that makes the text

1009
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:08,480
Speaker 2: line We're so good, there's no question about that.

1010
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:13,840
Speaker 3: Pablo Torre. Today, the Clippers.

1011
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:17,479
Speaker 4: Okayed kickbacks to Kawhi, Leonard's uncle Dennis sources tell us

1012
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:22,000
Speaker 4: along with a documented trail of LLC's and apparent NBA

1013
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:27,960
Speaker 4: pay cut and the FEDS chasing aspiration. Then Clippers GM asked, quote,

1014
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:33,040
Speaker 4: how many bleeping side deals have we made with Kawai? Wow?

1015
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:37,000
Speaker 2: Wow, that's major if that's true, and I'm assuming it's there's.

1016
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:38,480
Speaker 3: A lot of smoke here. Yeah there.

1017
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:40,960
Speaker 2: Now it almost looks like it's a fire has broken out,

1018
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:44,200
Speaker 2: because this takes it another, i think, to another level

1019
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:50,360
Speaker 2: and another step entirely so Kessler tomorrow was already confirmed,

1020
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 2: Sea for tomorrow and more to come. It's the best period.

1021
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:56,439
Speaker 2: If you have ideas for us, that's okay, Well we'll

1022
00:57:56,440 --> 00:58:00,880
Speaker 2: consider those. But we've got a two or three other

1023
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:02,720
Speaker 2: irons in the fire, and we are going to try

1024
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:05,440
Speaker 2: to bring back doctor Denn's inbox this week as soon

1025
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:07,520
Speaker 2: as Thursday, maybe earlier because you said you got to

1026
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:08,560
Speaker 2: hit you.

1027
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:12,200
Speaker 4: Go for basketball Thursday night, late Nebraska. Yeah, seven o'clock

1028
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:14,400
Speaker 4: at the Barn. All we do is win right, six

1029
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:17,240
Speaker 4: in a row, four control? What seed do we have

1030
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:21,200
Speaker 4: right now? Do you think right now? It's like depending

1031
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:22,959
Speaker 4: on who you look at, five, six or seven.

1032
00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:23,440
Speaker 3: Really.

1033
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:25,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, the Iowa win jumped them up. That's pretty good,

1034
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:27,720
Speaker 4: top ten win on the road. Very fun night. It

1035
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:28,480
Speaker 4: was good, very good.

1036
00:58:28,560 --> 00:58:31,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're playing Yeah the Gopher man man. That was

1037
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:33,640
Speaker 2: They've had I think a lot of moral victories that

1038
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:36,400
Speaker 2: I can accept. That was a bad loss the other night.

1039
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:39,480
Speaker 2: That game is against Maryland. That's one of those that

1040
00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 2: need to get that. You need to get exactly right.

1041
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:43,280
Speaker 2: You need to kind of get that one. And they

1042
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:46,720
Speaker 2: did not follow up their previous performance at all and

1043
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:48,560
Speaker 2: get for pretty much anything done.

1044
00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:51,200
Speaker 3: You could see it was the old Maryland's being.

1045
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:53,360
Speaker 2: I think Maryland went into that game with only one

1046
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:56,720
Speaker 2: victory in the conference. But they were hanging and that

1047
00:58:56,880 --> 00:59:00,000
Speaker 2: was the concern is you're at home, you're not great,

1048
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:02,760
Speaker 2: but you're probably should be taking care of Maryland.

1049
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:05,760
Speaker 3: And they let him hang just enough and then done.

1050
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:08,600
Speaker 4: One crazy shot at the end the three that's exactly

1051
00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:11,200
Speaker 4: a little step back, exactly what happened.

1052
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:11,960
Speaker 3: As well.

1053
00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:17,360
Speaker 2: I had one other text that I wanted to get

1054
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:20,360
Speaker 2: to real quickly because we got about a minute left

1055
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:28,280
Speaker 2: to go. We mentioned, uh, look at the Seahawks drafting

1056
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:31,040
Speaker 2: with Russell Wilson essentially got them two shower roles, the

1057
00:59:31,080 --> 00:59:32,479
Speaker 2: one he won and the one they won.

1058
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:33,360
Speaker 3: After trading him.

1059
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:37,120
Speaker 2: Good drafting is like compound interest in your favorite bad

1060
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:41,200
Speaker 2: draft drafting the opposite. That's that's relating our to our

1061
00:59:41,240 --> 00:59:47,480
Speaker 2: conversation with Alec Lewis. And it's true, man, it's it's

1062
00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:49,680
Speaker 2: it's it's not going out any kind of a limb

1063
00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:54,320
Speaker 2: to to to say drafting wisely is the lifeblood for

1064
00:59:54,360 --> 01:00:00,200
Speaker 2: most teams. But somebody kiddingly said this earlier, but it's true.

1065
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:05,920
Speaker 2: You know why some teams can't start over or can't

1066
01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:08,960
Speaker 2: sort of have to go back to the drawing board

1067
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:12,680
Speaker 2: because they draft so well, they're never in a position

1068
01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:16,240
Speaker 2: where they have to even consider those sorts of rebuilds,

1069
01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:19,480
Speaker 2: right or teardowns. And that's the beauty of what the

1070
01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:23,520
Speaker 2: draft at its best can represent. It can give you

1071
01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:27,520
Speaker 2: fresh blood at a cheap price that can take you

1072
01:00:27,560 --> 01:00:29,640
Speaker 2: places that you didn't even think you could get to,

1073
01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:36,000
Speaker 2: and if you simply try to fill in those mistakes

1074
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:40,439
Speaker 2: that you make during the draft with free agents. Look,

1075
01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:42,600
Speaker 2: we all like the spending of money, we all want

1076
01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:45,880
Speaker 2: the Twins to spend more money, but in all honesty,

1077
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:47,680
Speaker 2: sooner or later that's going to catch up with you.

1078
01:00:47,720 --> 01:00:50,280
Speaker 3: The way the NFL works, you have to have both.

1079
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:54,160
Speaker 4: You have to be aggressive in free agency, but you

1080
01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:57,720
Speaker 4: can't rely on free agency to fill every need because

1081
01:00:57,760 --> 01:01:01,520
Speaker 4: it will, from a salary standpoint, definitely catch up with you.

1082
01:01:01,640 --> 01:01:03,520
Speaker 4: And that's really the position this team is in. They've

1083
01:01:03,560 --> 01:01:08,560
Speaker 4: got to have probably two, three, four consecutive years of drafts,

1084
01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:09,440
Speaker 4: like what.

1085
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:10,120
Speaker 3: The best teams do.

1086
01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:12,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, the names might not be all that familiar,

1087
01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:15,160
Speaker 2: but they they give you starts, they play. They may

1088
01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:20,200
Speaker 2: all be stars, but they give you opportunity and again,

1089
01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:22,120
Speaker 2: every once in a while one of them does emerge

1090
01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:23,560
Speaker 2: and becomes a star as well.

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01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:25,840
Speaker 3: Fan and a man in the air tonight and we

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01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:26,560
Speaker 3: will be.

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01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:29,080
Speaker 2: Back here talking tomorrow beginning at three.

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01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:31,920
Speaker 3: Thank you for the memories, thank you for the great time.

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Speaker 3: We love you, Dad,