1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:05,119 Speaker 1: It's nice size with Dan Ray. I'm going easy Boston's 2 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:06,359 Speaker 1: News Radio. 3 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Dan Watkins. Today is the real 4 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 2: Saint Patrick's Day. I think everyone in Boston today was 5 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 2: a little irish, probably the whole weekend actually, But Saint 6 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:21,280 Speaker 2: Patrick's Day is not celebrated on Sunday. It is always 7 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 2: celebrated with a parade on Sunday, which is great. And 8 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 2: there is also great events over this past weekend, including 9 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 2: the fundraiser that I attended on Saturday morning, went into 10 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 2: Saturday afternoon actually for the Marianne Brett Food Pantry over 11 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:39,520 Speaker 2: in Dorchester. They do such great work over the entire 12 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:46,479 Speaker 2: Brett family. But today is the Saint Patrick's Day, and 13 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 2: I thought it would be fun tonight to talk with 14 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 2: a great travel writer, my favorite travel writer at the 15 00:00:54,960 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 2: Boston Globe, Christopher Muther. Christopher wrote in the Sunday edition 16 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 2: of The Globe, I think it hit digital on Friday 17 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 2: about his trip to Ireland. And you might say, well, 18 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 2: what's so important about him going to Ireland as a 19 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 2: Boston travel writer. He had never been to Ireland, and 20 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:20,320 Speaker 2: we don't know how many countries he had been to previously, 21 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:23,759 Speaker 2: but Ireland wasn't in the top ten, the top twenty, 22 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 2: or probably the top thirty, and his experience was chronicled 23 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:33,400 Speaker 2: in this weekend's edition of The Boston Globe. So I'm 24 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:38,679 Speaker 2: delighted to welcome Christopher Muther, Boston Globe travel writer. Hey, Chris, 25 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:40,319 Speaker 2: how are you happy? 26 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 3: St? Patrick's Dan? Happy? Saint Patrick's Day? 27 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:44,040 Speaker 4: Dan? 28 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:44,680 Speaker 3: Are you doing? 29 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 2: I'm doing just great. I'm hoping you're having a good 30 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 2: one as well. So you. I think most people, and 31 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 2: we've done interviews before, would envy your job. You get 32 00:01:57,160 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 2: to travel and see the world for the Boston Globe, 33 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 2: and it's your job. It's your vocation, but it could 34 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:09,640 Speaker 2: be your vocation and your advocation. You're a one lucky guy, Christopher. 35 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 2: I hope you realize that, so. 36 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 3: I'm told so, I'm told you now. I do feel 37 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:19,919 Speaker 3: very fortunate to do what I do. It's a lot 38 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:22,640 Speaker 3: of work and a lot less glamorous than it sounds. 39 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 3: But I can't think of a job i'd rather do. 40 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:28,799 Speaker 2: Okay, So why did it take so long for you 41 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 2: to decide? Gee, there's this little spot of green across 42 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 2: the Atlantic that I should probably go visit. 43 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:38,399 Speaker 3: I think I might have heard a person or two 44 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:41,079 Speaker 3: in Boston see something about Irish. I don't know. I 45 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 3: couldn't really really keep up. It's a good question. We 46 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:48,800 Speaker 3: talked about this earlier, and I've been to I don't know, 47 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 3: twenty five or thirty countries. I've never actually sat down 48 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:56,520 Speaker 3: to count but it's it's a lot. And in Ireland. 49 00:02:57,280 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 3: For some reason, I think I was so busy chasing 50 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 3: exact that Ireland never quite popped up, even though I'd 51 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 3: been to every country around it. And I wound up 52 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:11,520 Speaker 3: there because a couple of years ago, my editor was 53 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 3: planning a trip and she was asking me for recommendations 54 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:17,240 Speaker 3: and I told her I had never been to Ireland, 55 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 3: and she looked up from her keyboard and looked at me, like, 56 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:24,919 Speaker 3: what are you possibly thinking? And she said, You're going 57 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 3: to Ireland. 58 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 5: So so then from there I had to kind. 59 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 3: Of figure out, Okay, I'm going to Ireland. Everyone in Boston, 60 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 3: I know this is an exaggeration. It feels like everyone 61 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 3: in Boston has been to Ireland, knows Ireland or has 62 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 3: ancestry there, and I'm popping in Cole not knowing what 63 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 3: I'm doing. So that was sort of where I started, 64 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 3: was pretty much no knowledge whatsoever. And I hope what 65 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 3: I came away with was an understanding of kind of 66 00:03:56,600 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 3: Obviously I knew about the famine, I learned a lot 67 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 3: more about it and a lot of other things, and 68 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 3: I even started researching. Originally I was going to write 69 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 3: a story about where the Boston Irish came from in Ireland, 70 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 3: to see if there was a specific spot and really 71 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:17,479 Speaker 3: write about someone else's genealogy. And then I thought, even 72 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:20,039 Speaker 3: after spending a whole lot of time researching, that I thought, 73 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:22,160 Speaker 3: you know what, I'm just going to go and do this, 74 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:26,040 Speaker 3: and I'm going to write a guide to educate myself 75 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 3: and hopefully encourage people who had never been to Ireland 76 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 3: to check it out. 77 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 2: I think the short answer is that the question is 78 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 2: either Cork or Kerry. But I'm sure there are some 79 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 2: who came here from other sections, but I think there's 80 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 2: a heavy representation of Quark and Kerry here. 81 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 6: Here you are. 82 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 3: You're exactly right, because this is where as everyone knows 83 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 3: where the famine hit, Hardist was in the southwestern county. 84 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 3: So Cork go away, carry Claire and I don't. Now 85 00:04:59,839 --> 00:05:04,239 Speaker 3: I can actually use my research, if you'll allow me. Yes, 86 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 3: what I found out when I was I went to 87 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:11,279 Speaker 3: American Ancestors, which used to be the Genealogical Society on 88 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 3: Newberry Street, and found out that between eighteen forty six 89 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 3: eighteen fifty three, one hundred and thirty thousand Irish immigrants 90 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 3: came to Boston, which is a pretty huge number. 91 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:27,720 Speaker 2: Considering considering its population back in the day. 92 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:32,159 Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, and in Boston's population back in the day, 93 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 3: and most of them. You know, the first big Irish 94 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 3: neighborhood in Boston was not South Boston, it was East Boston. 95 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 2: Sure, people might not realize that, but you're absolutely correct. 96 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 2: I did some of this genealogy work myself. One of 97 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:54,920 Speaker 2: the things that's interesting is that of all the countries 98 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 2: in Europe, the only country who today has a smaller 99 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:03,359 Speaker 2: population than it did in eighteen fifty is Ireland. 100 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, which is you know, it's it's really surprising and 101 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 3: not surprising at the same time. 102 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 2: Sure, I mean, if you think about our population, I 103 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 2: know what it is today, it's three hundred and thirty million, 104 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 2: and I'll bet you that our population didn't reach one 105 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:23,159 Speaker 2: hundred million until sometime in the twentieth century. 106 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 3: Exactly exactly. But the interesting thing about Ireland is there 107 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:35,799 Speaker 3: are thirty million people around the world who claim Irish 108 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:39,799 Speaker 3: heritage and yet the population of Ireland is five million 109 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 3: something like that. You've treated it better than I do. 110 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 2: No, I think. I think you're absolutely right. But let's 111 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 2: get to the most important questions. Did you like it 112 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 2: over there? 113 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:55,039 Speaker 7: On me? 114 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:58,160 Speaker 5: Let me start a ry and say I hated it. 115 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 2: I think that it's a country that welcomes Americans. Uh 116 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:07,480 Speaker 2: and uh. I'm most countries around the world welcome people, 117 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 2: but I think Ireland particularly feels connected. I love the 118 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 2: stuff that you wrote in the piece about the Kennedy 119 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 2: family and uh and their their relationship with with President Kennedy. Uh. 120 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 2: And you know, he's not been president for a long time. 121 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 2: I mean it's oversex what's over sixty years since President 122 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 2: Kennedy was assassinated, and yet his his hold on Ireland 123 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 2: and its relation to Boston are still as critical today 124 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 2: as it was I think when he was when he 125 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 2: was in office. 126 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I obviously, coming from Boston, I made 127 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 3: a point of going to the Kennedy homestead, which is 128 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 3: where his I'm probably going to get this wrong, his 129 00:07:54,360 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 3: great great grandfather live, Okay, And you know, and it's 130 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 3: still farmed some of it, and the other part of 131 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 3: it is a visitors center which again traces the family's history, 132 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 3: which I ended up doing a lot of history in Ireland. 133 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 3: It was sort of like my crash course, and so 134 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 3: definitely the Kennedy family was a big part of that. 135 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 2: It's a great piece. If folks haven't read it, it's 136 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 2: a travel writers confession. I write for a Boston newspaper 137 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:32,240 Speaker 2: and I'd never been to Ireland until recently. That is, 138 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 2: you were there, you told me it was it last fall. 139 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, I went in early September last year. 140 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:42,840 Speaker 2: Beautiful time of year. You spent time in Dublin. I 141 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:45,200 Speaker 2: want to go over all of this, and I'm hoping 142 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 2: that some of our listeners might want to chime in 143 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 2: and participate in the conversation on this Saint Patrick's Day. 144 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 2: If they've been to Ireland, and particularly if they happen 145 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 2: to be Irish, but even if they're not Irish, if 146 00:08:56,920 --> 00:09:00,199 Speaker 2: they've been to Ireland, what was their impression of the country. 147 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 2: First time I went to Ireland was in the early 148 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:07,199 Speaker 2: nineteen eighties working as a television reporter, and I remember 149 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:10,719 Speaker 2: waking up you know the app you flew over on 150 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 2: the night flights, you know, the Red Eye or whatever. 151 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 2: And by time we got to go away where we 152 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:21,199 Speaker 2: started our journey, it was probably I don't know, one 153 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:23,440 Speaker 2: o'clock in the afternoon, a little bit of jet lag, 154 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 2: took a nap, and about three o'clock, four o'clock opened 155 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 2: up the blinds in the room and there were kids 156 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 2: just playing soccer, just like kids would be playing baseball 157 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 2: in America. And that vision has stuck with me forever 158 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:38,079 Speaker 2: because they now realized that those kids who probably were 159 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:41,320 Speaker 2: ten or twelve years old playing soccer are now probably 160 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 2: in their fifties. And it was I've been, I've been there, 161 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 2: had the good fortune to go there many times. There 162 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 2: were many of the places in Ireland that you visited 163 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:57,680 Speaker 2: in your one trip that I'd never been been to. 164 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:04,960 Speaker 2: So I'm really yes, yes, yes, I'm picking up Beginness Factory. Yes, 165 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:07,080 Speaker 2: I've been to the Guinness Factory and a few pubs 166 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 2: along the way. But no, there's a lot, there's a lot. 167 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 2: My guest is Christopher Muther on the Boston Globe. Uh 168 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 2: And if you've been to Ireland, you'd like to talk 169 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 2: with Chris. We'd love to have you join the conversation 170 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 2: six one, seven, two, five, four, ten thirty six one seven, nine, three, 171 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 2: one ten thirty Coming right back on Nightside. 172 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:30,079 Speaker 1: You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on w b Z, 173 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:31,720 Speaker 1: Boston's news radio. 174 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 2: My guest is Christopher Muther. He is a travel uh expert, 175 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:42,479 Speaker 2: a travel rider. You have been on planes, trains, buses. 176 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:47,439 Speaker 2: Where would you put your trip to Ireland? You've been everywhere? 177 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:50,679 Speaker 2: And I know it's tough to categorize something, but I 178 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 2: know that we've talked about some of your train trips. 179 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:56,960 Speaker 2: I still don't know if you've done that one through 180 00:10:57,040 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 2: Siberia that we that we've talked about a couple of times. 181 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:04,960 Speaker 2: But what where would you put this? You know, as 182 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:06,840 Speaker 2: a travel writer, if someone said to you, should I 183 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 2: go there? I mean everybody should go to Ireland in 184 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 2: my opinion, But what will you say to people? What? 185 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:18,960 Speaker 2: What is so either welcoming? So special? Everywhere is special, 186 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:23,040 Speaker 2: everywhere is welcoming, But give us, give us your bottom line. 187 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 3: I feel like you know Ireland. I think the best 188 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 3: way I could describe it, it's like a jewel box. 189 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 3: It's sort of like this small, beautiful I don't want 190 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 3: to say unspoiled because there's no place left on Earth 191 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:44,840 Speaker 3: that's unspoiled. But it's just there has a charm to 192 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 3: it that a lot of places don't have, like a 193 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 3: really specific personality, which is what I really enjoy when 194 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 3: I travel, because a lot of places now it's sort 195 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 3: of bland. They're sort of the same, the same stores, 196 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 3: the same restaurants. And that's definitely the case in Dublin. 197 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:04,080 Speaker 3: But you go outside of Dublin and or even within 198 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:11,199 Speaker 3: Dublin itself, there's such fantastic places to stay, places to eat, 199 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 3: the history everywhere. I mean, it was once I was 200 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:20,440 Speaker 3: there and had seen I think it was probably like 201 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 3: a few days into the trip, I started asking the 202 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 3: question which people have asked me. It's like, why haven't 203 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 3: I been here before? And this is what I've been missing? 204 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 3: So I would place it. I mean, I would wholeheartedly 205 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 3: suggest that folks go. And I'm not just saying that 206 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 3: because it's Saint Patrick's Day and I'm slightly drunk. I'm kidding, 207 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:45,560 Speaker 3: I'm not drunk, but it's you know, I would definitely 208 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 3: place it as like a really it's a place that's 209 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:50,560 Speaker 3: closed to my heart. 210 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's also an easy flight. I mean it's five 211 00:12:56,320 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 2: hours going over. It's I've been to places and I'm 212 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:05,840 Speaker 2: sure you've been to places where the flights are a 213 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 2: factor of view twice as long or three times as long. 214 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 2: It's easy to get to people. Dublin, it's a real 215 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 2: sense you're in Europe too. I mean it is a 216 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 2: Dublin is a European city, Galway is a European city. 217 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 2: But then you have the countryside. You talk about the 218 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:30,679 Speaker 2: Cliffs of More. I remember taking listeners there a couple 219 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:36,559 Speaker 2: of Septembers ago, and it was it was breathtaking, as 220 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:39,320 Speaker 2: simple as that. And then to stay at a castle. 221 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 2: It's an experience that everybody should have at some point. 222 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:49,079 Speaker 2: So that's that's what we're talking what we're talking about, 223 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:51,840 Speaker 2: and that's what I think you captured in this article. 224 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:54,080 Speaker 2: So what I want to do, if it's okay with you, 225 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 2: let's get some callers in here and compare the experiences 226 00:13:58,160 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 2: that they have had. 227 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 3: Okay, definitely sounds great. 228 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 2: Okay, Dan, we're going to go to line one. Why 229 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:06,200 Speaker 2: don't you. I'll bring line one up and mind us 230 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 2: staying that. This gentleman is named Bruce. Bruce, where are 231 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 2: you calling from, Bruce? 232 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:16,280 Speaker 6: Well, First of all, good evening, Dan, I'm from Newton, Massachusetts. 233 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 6: A right, Chris, how are you doing tonight? Good? 234 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 3: How are you doing? 235 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 6: Doing great? I have a very interesting perspective on Ireland, 236 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 6: being a merchant that carried Irish goods for many years, 237 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 6: serving the town of Milton, Massachusetts, which has an extremely 238 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 6: high Irish population. So I've spent a good thirty odd 239 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 6: days in Ireland on three different trips. And the kicker 240 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 6: is I'm Jewish. Well, I've done some very interesting things 241 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 6: in Ireland, as well as visiting a synagogue in Dublin, 242 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 6: because legend has it is eighteen hundred Jews in all 243 00:14:59,160 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 6: of Ireland. 244 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 2: Well, I will tell you that when I was a 245 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:06,160 Speaker 2: young this is Dan, when I was a young boy, 246 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 2: maybe ten years old, I got to meet the mayor 247 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 2: of Dublin. 248 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 3: This would have been in the lafties, Brisbane. 249 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 2: The early sixties. No, that wasn't Brisbane. Yes, but he 250 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 2: was Jewish. He was the mayor of Dublin in the 251 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 2: nineteenth in the nineteen. 252 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 6: Fifties, And exactly right. I heard that from everybody when 253 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 6: I was in Ireland. You know, Louis had a Jewish 254 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 6: mayor at once. Yes, yeah, absolutely. 255 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 2: So it is it is. Look, they take their religion 256 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 2: seriously in one respect, but they respect I think they 257 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 2: respect the religions of the world, including ju Judaism. 258 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 6: Christopher I found that you don't go to Ireland for 259 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 6: the weather. You go to Ireland for the people. The 260 00:15:56,480 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 6: culture is amazing and every single story he starts with 261 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 6: the same three words, excuse me, legend has it, but 262 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 6: I love that part of it. Traveling through Dingle, which 263 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 6: they always say is the closest parish to Boston, that's 264 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 6: how they referred to it. My wife met a woman 265 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 6: there that claims she had never been a mile from 266 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 6: her house and Dingle. She said, I have everything I 267 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 6: need here, so it's certainly a world. 268 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 3: There, extraordinary. 269 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 2: The mayor of Dublin, who was Jewish, was Amon Devala. 270 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 3: Okay, truth, did you go to the synagogue in deb. 271 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 6: Yes, I did. They don't have a rabbi. There are 272 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 6: no symbols on the outside of the building. I had 273 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 6: called it in advance. Uh, there was somebody who ran 274 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:53,920 Speaker 6: the service. They can't even Uh. They don't even have 275 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:57,520 Speaker 6: a kosher bakery in the area. They have to import 276 00:16:57,560 --> 00:17:03,920 Speaker 6: the Jala kosher from Manchester. So it's a very small community. 277 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 6: But I got to tell you the joke that I 278 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 6: said two things when they were singing the same melodies 279 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:13,639 Speaker 6: that I grew up with and templed the dam and 280 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:16,680 Speaker 6: Randolph and they all turned around because I didn't even 281 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 6: have a prayer book, and I looked at them and 282 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:21,719 Speaker 6: I whisked it to my wife, the old joke funny 283 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:25,159 Speaker 6: that don't look Jewish to me. And because I was 284 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 6: hysterical that there were about twenty four people there and 285 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 6: it was wonderful experience, I. 286 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 2: Got to I must have been mistaken. I did meet 287 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 2: Davi Leera, but the orthodox Jewish politician before people reached 288 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 2: for their phones was Robert Briscoe. Uh and he was 289 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:47,439 Speaker 2: the first Jewish mayor of Riscoe. 290 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 6: Yeah, it was I got the first part right. 291 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 2: You did you did? But I met Dave Lera and 292 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 2: he had been the president, and for some reason I 293 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 2: mixed him up with Briscoe. So I apologize that I 294 00:17:58,600 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 2: was ten years old. 295 00:17:59,400 --> 00:17:59,880 Speaker 8: At the time. 296 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:04,200 Speaker 6: I wanted to make one comment, By the way. 297 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 2: Did you did you? I just gotta did you say that? 298 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 2: Did you store was in Milton or in Newton? 299 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:16,640 Speaker 6: My store was in Milton. We carried water for Crystal Sovar, 300 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:22,439 Speaker 6: which is the largest retail jeweler Brian, the Steak from Dingo, 301 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:27,679 Speaker 6: the Crawley Dolls from Donegal. You know again, I loved 302 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 6: going there, the people. We had so much fun. I 303 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:34,680 Speaker 6: hooked up with a friend for Milton. He was doing 304 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:37,640 Speaker 6: his Irish roots and I'm just having a great time. 305 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:43,199 Speaker 6: We had dinner in Galway together and you know, I 306 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 6: did all the cliffs of Maher and did the ride 307 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:52,120 Speaker 6: up through the Junti carts. They had so much fun 308 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 6: and I took my children there from our twenty fifth anniversary. 309 00:18:55,359 --> 00:18:57,159 Speaker 6: They had so much fun. I said, you got to 310 00:18:57,200 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 6: come back. It's a great place to go and everyone 311 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 6: is welcome in Ireland. 312 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:07,680 Speaker 2: And by the way, we went in September. My most 313 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:12,159 Speaker 2: recent trip was with listeners in September of twenty twenty 314 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 2: four and we spend time at the Waterford Factory, the 315 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 2: Waterford Glass Factory as well, and got a great tour there. 316 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 6: Very interesting tour, isn't it. 317 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 3: Oh? 318 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:24,920 Speaker 2: Absolutely, Bruce, thanks so much for calling. Delighted you that 319 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:27,120 Speaker 2: you started us off with this conversation. 320 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:28,880 Speaker 6: Tonight and it was my first time calling Dan. 321 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:30,880 Speaker 2: Well, we got to give you a round of applause. 322 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:32,920 Speaker 2: Here we're gonna head Dan get to that. All the 323 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 2: digital audiences on their feet, I can see them, not Bruce. 324 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:43,879 Speaker 2: Thank you very much. Okay, thanks again. All Right, we're 325 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:45,880 Speaker 2: going to take a break. We're at nine thirty one. 326 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 6: Chris. 327 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:50,200 Speaker 2: That was a great first call, and we'll get we'll 328 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 2: get some more here for my guest, Christopher Muther. He's 329 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:57,480 Speaker 2: the travel writer travel expert for the Boston Globe, and 330 00:19:57,640 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 2: if you can get the Globe from Sunday, you can 331 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:04,000 Speaker 2: read his article a travel Writer's Confession. I write for 332 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:07,880 Speaker 2: a Boston newspaper and had never been to Ireland until recently. 333 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:11,480 Speaker 2: That is the sub subtitle. So here's how to experience 334 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:13,960 Speaker 2: Ireland in a week. And you covered a lot of ground, 335 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:15,400 Speaker 2: and you cover a lot of ground in the article. 336 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 2: We'll take a break back with Chris Muther on the 337 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:19,879 Speaker 2: Boston Globe and your calls. 338 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:20,159 Speaker 4: We have. 339 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:23,200 Speaker 2: The only line open right now is six point seven 340 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:25,240 Speaker 2: nine thirty back on night side. 341 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 1: Right after this, you're on night Side with Dan Ray 342 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 1: on WBZ, Boston's news radio. 343 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:36,840 Speaker 2: Okay, Christopher, I'm going to ask you a secret of 344 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:41,120 Speaker 2: travel writing. Okay, I'm interested, and this you can take 345 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 2: the Fifth Amendment on this if you want, okay, But 346 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 2: as a TV reporter for many years, I very rarely 347 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 2: got to do sort of like the documentary form. It 348 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:55,000 Speaker 2: was like, if it's happening today, we got to have 349 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:56,920 Speaker 2: it at the six o'clock of the eleven o'clock news. 350 00:20:57,240 --> 00:21:01,480 Speaker 2: You travel there in September, the article, this article is 351 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 2: published on Saint Patrick's Day. Did you have it designed 352 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 2: for Saint Patrick's Day when you went? You went a 353 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 2: beautiful time of year, by the way, early September. 354 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was, It was beautiful, and it was it 355 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:19,680 Speaker 3: was intended to run in March. So it was in 356 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:22,880 Speaker 3: the back of my mind, not specifically Saint Patrick's Day, 357 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:26,200 Speaker 3: but you know, an Ireland article made sense, made sense 358 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:27,439 Speaker 3: for to run in March, Okay. 359 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:32,880 Speaker 2: So therefore my question really is, normally my instinct would 360 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 2: have been, once I got home, I want to take 361 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:37,200 Speaker 2: my notes, I want to take whatever I have and 362 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:40,480 Speaker 2: I want to do a first draft. Did you put 363 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:42,359 Speaker 2: the stuff away and come back to it or did 364 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:44,480 Speaker 2: you write it and start to write it in September? 365 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 2: Just curious about the process and if if you're gonna 366 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:50,119 Speaker 2: have if that's what's a trade secret you can you 367 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 2: can take the fifth. 368 00:21:51,160 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 5: Okay, Well, I'm what's known as a professional procrastinator. Oh September, 369 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 5: hauled everything. 370 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:07,119 Speaker 3: Out, relived it all, which is a nice thing about it. 371 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 3: I get to relive the trip when I started writing 372 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:12,680 Speaker 3: the story a few weeks ago, and it was nice 373 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 3: to have it yielded marine in my head before having 374 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 3: to write, because normally FRO might go to a place 375 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,399 Speaker 3: and turn a story around pretty quickly. So this was 376 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 3: a nice change. 377 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 2: Oh, that's great, That is absolutely great. Let me get 378 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:28,639 Speaker 2: to next caller is Maurene from Brockton. Mauren, welcome to Nightside. 379 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:31,159 Speaker 2: You're on Christopher Mutha on the Boston Globe. 380 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 8: Hi, Hi Dan, Hi Christopher, thank you so much for 381 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:40,320 Speaker 8: taking my phone calls. No, Christopher, is this the article 382 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:46,480 Speaker 8: that was in this past Sunday's Globe? It is indeed, yes, Okay, 383 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:51,800 Speaker 8: First of all, I thoroughly enjoyed it. My father was 384 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 8: born Oh you're welcome. My father was born in Galway, 385 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 8: not Galway City, but a part of Galway. So and 386 00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:03,639 Speaker 8: I have a younger sister who, for it's probably close 387 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:07,680 Speaker 8: to twenty could be twenty five years she very happily 388 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:10,880 Speaker 8: is living in Ireland. 389 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:14,840 Speaker 3: Close to Galway. She's got I haven't been to. 390 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 8: Our house, but she's got a lovely little bungalow. She 391 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:20,840 Speaker 8: has a rescue dog, and on top of that, she 392 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:24,960 Speaker 8: has a mother and a daughter, donkey, two. 393 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:30,119 Speaker 2: Donkeys, just like just like in Brockton, Maurie. 394 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:33,359 Speaker 8: Pretty pretty close, pretty close. 395 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:35,680 Speaker 2: She loves it. 396 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:40,400 Speaker 8: She was well, she she went to UMass Boston. Once 397 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:43,359 Speaker 8: she went to college and she did one year a 398 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:47,280 Speaker 8: semester in Dublin and semester in Belfast. And like I said, 399 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 8: you know, our father was. 400 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 3: You know, was from Galway. 401 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:53,119 Speaker 8: So we still have family. The house my father was 402 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:57,760 Speaker 8: born in, We have cousins that still live there, you know, 403 00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:02,240 Speaker 8: with the thatched roof, et cetera. So's it's really kind 404 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 8: of you know, it's it's very nice. I haven't been 405 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:09,880 Speaker 8: in several years, but I had the chance. The first 406 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 8: time I went, I was sixteen years old, and it 407 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:16,879 Speaker 8: was just a phenomenal trip. And it's just you know, 408 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 8: the people are wonderful and you know, it just you know, 409 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 8: when Dan mentioned it and I was like, I read 410 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:25,920 Speaker 8: that article, I have to call I have to chime in. 411 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:28,919 Speaker 8: So thank you so much, Christopher, because I really enjoyed 412 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:30,960 Speaker 8: the article. It was wonderful. 413 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 3: Oh thanks, thanks. I actually spent a day or so 414 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:39,359 Speaker 3: in Galway and ran out of space to write about 415 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:42,160 Speaker 3: it in the story. So I'm already plotting my next 416 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:45,040 Speaker 3: Ireland stories because I feel like I can get a 417 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:47,000 Speaker 3: lot of them. I'll just plan every March to do 418 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:50,480 Speaker 3: another story and I can hit a place and actually 419 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 3: write about it more thoroughly. But thank you so much. 420 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:53,520 Speaker 3: It's very kind of you. 421 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:58,680 Speaker 2: Remember this Irish loved traditions. Marien. Thank you for that call. 422 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 2: And I'm envious your sister. That must be a beautiful place, 423 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,679 Speaker 2: a beautiful place to live. Thank you so much, Mariene. 424 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 7: We'll talk so, thank you, thanks again, have a good night. 425 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:09,680 Speaker 1: Thanks you great, Thank you. 426 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:13,959 Speaker 2: All right, let me uh take Maureen down there if 427 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,880 Speaker 2: we could, you know what, Dan, Yeah, that would be great. 428 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:21,159 Speaker 2: Let me go next to Dot in Medford. Dot you 429 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:23,440 Speaker 2: just around the corner. You're gonna have to bring Dot 430 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:25,879 Speaker 2: up for me. The machines give us a problem here, 431 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:27,639 Speaker 2: Thank you, Dan, Hey Dot, How are you? 432 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:28,680 Speaker 7: Hi? Dan? 433 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 1: Hi Chris, Chris. 434 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:33,159 Speaker 9: That was a wonderful article, and you have to do 435 00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:37,399 Speaker 9: you have to excuse me because I've had my share 436 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:41,680 Speaker 9: of Guinness today. Uh oh, I'm trying to be good. 437 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,280 Speaker 2: Okay, check the button there, Dan, go ahead. 438 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 9: My father came from the North up in County Antrim, 439 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 9: and my mother was from Listuna, which was right very 440 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:58,440 Speaker 9: close to Galway. But I've been there many times and 441 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 9: it's just so wonderful. 442 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:00,159 Speaker 5: Oh. 443 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:01,639 Speaker 1: I used to love to go. 444 00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 9: The first time I went in seventy four, my relatives 445 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 9: had no running water and no electricity and they didn't care. 446 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:15,960 Speaker 6: Simpler. 447 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:18,440 Speaker 2: It was a simpler life, God, that's all. 448 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:22,120 Speaker 9: It was a very simple life, and they were having 449 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:22,720 Speaker 9: a good time. 450 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,560 Speaker 2: Okay, God, you remember that you went in seventy four. 451 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 2: What month did you go? 452 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:29,119 Speaker 9: What month of the year, Well, of course it was 453 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:31,640 Speaker 9: the summer, probably around August. 454 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:33,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know that that was the month that I 455 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 2: was sweating out the bar exam. God, so I have 456 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:39,159 Speaker 2: no sympathy for you. You were going to Ireland and 457 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:43,359 Speaker 2: I'm studying the bar review course and taking the bar exam. 458 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:44,680 Speaker 6: Oh my goodness. Yea God. 459 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,120 Speaker 9: Well, and I took I took my fourteen year old 460 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:51,800 Speaker 9: over when I went over because my other son was 461 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:56,080 Speaker 9: stationed in England. So I killed twobers with one stone 462 00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:58,160 Speaker 9: visiting Ireland, which was wonderful. 463 00:26:58,280 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 2: How many times have you been have you been back? 464 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:05,040 Speaker 9: Oh, I've been there many many times. Scotland, every place, Wales. 465 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:07,960 Speaker 9: Oh yeah, it's just a beauty. You should have got 466 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:10,399 Speaker 9: to take the whole circle. You've got to get to 467 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 9: Scotland and Wales in every place. 468 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:16,760 Speaker 3: Chris, I'm gonna I'm going to tell my editor that 469 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:21,119 Speaker 3: Dot told me DoD who'd had again answer to old man. 470 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:22,200 Speaker 3: I need to do the circle. 471 00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:25,320 Speaker 2: All right, Dot? Thanks. 472 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,200 Speaker 9: I enjoy your radical it was I always read anything 473 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:29,040 Speaker 9: you've got in there. 474 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 2: All right, you get in Medford, Chris, this is great. 475 00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:34,320 Speaker 6: Yeah. 476 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,359 Speaker 9: Oh sure, all right, Hey listen, take care guys. 477 00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:38,160 Speaker 2: Talk to you, Sue. 478 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:38,400 Speaker 6: Dot. 479 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:44,399 Speaker 2: Thanks to that. We'll take a quick break sixty. We 480 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:46,440 Speaker 2: have a couple of lines there if you'd like. I'm 481 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:48,840 Speaker 2: going to get to Pete Revere and Dennis and Lowell 482 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:50,800 Speaker 2: and room for you maybe you coming back with a 483 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:55,800 Speaker 2: final segment with Christopher Muther talking about his trip last 484 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:59,399 Speaker 2: September to Ireland. I've been there a few times myself, 485 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:03,119 Speaker 2: perhaps not as many as Dot. Uh, but it is 486 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,520 Speaker 2: a very special place, and that is this is our 487 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,639 Speaker 2: Saint Patrick's Day hour tonight. So We'll get to some 488 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,639 Speaker 2: some of the serious issues of war and peace and 489 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,120 Speaker 2: all of that in the next hour, but we'll continue 490 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,720 Speaker 2: on with talking about Ireland with someone who is just there. 491 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,680 Speaker 2: And you could tell from the article, Christopher, how much 492 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:24,359 Speaker 2: you really enjoyed it. It came across clearly to the 493 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:29,000 Speaker 2: reader of how much you enjoyed it and maybe how 494 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:32,920 Speaker 2: surprised you were at at all that Ireland have to offer. 495 00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:34,760 Speaker 2: I feel like the chance more. 496 00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,000 Speaker 3: I was more surprised and disappointed in myself that I 497 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:38,960 Speaker 3: hadn't been there before. 498 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:41,520 Speaker 2: Well, that's okay, you saved the best for last. That's all. 499 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,880 Speaker 2: Think about it exactly all right, Back with Christopher Muther 500 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,600 Speaker 2: on the Boston Globe travel writer extraordinariy. 501 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:55,840 Speaker 1: Right after this, It's Night Side with Ray Boston's news radio. 502 00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:59,840 Speaker 2: We're talking with Boston Globe travel writer Christopher Muther by 503 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:04,360 Speaker 2: his recent trip to Ireland. The great story appeared in 504 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:07,680 Speaker 2: the Globe on Sunday, and I'm sure that if you 505 00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 2: have the Globe around the house, you want to find 506 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,800 Speaker 2: this story. In the meantime, let us go to Pete 507 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:16,400 Speaker 2: Is in Revere. Pete you were next on Night Side. 508 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:20,320 Speaker 2: You're on with Christopher muther. Go right ahead, Pete. 509 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:23,720 Speaker 4: Let me start off by saying, Aaron, go brah what 510 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:28,920 Speaker 4: that means? Okay, all right, but I mentioned three quick 511 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,840 Speaker 4: things and then we can discuss them because I think 512 00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 4: they're important. Go ahead, Like a lot of people may 513 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:38,320 Speaker 4: not know, A Saint Patrick was not Irish, all right, 514 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:42,840 Speaker 4: And b it was not a famine. And just c 515 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:46,000 Speaker 4: is just a historical item where we have two Irish 516 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:47,880 Speaker 4: famine statues, one here and one. 517 00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:50,160 Speaker 2: In case I think it was definitely a famine. Pete, 518 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:51,760 Speaker 2: you're going to get an argument for me on that. 519 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:52,200 Speaker 3: No. 520 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:55,160 Speaker 4: No, it's a book in a book written by doctor 521 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 4: Fagan called the Mini Ice Age. What he's trying to 522 00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:01,880 Speaker 4: say was it was so cool that the tuggers are 523 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:05,880 Speaker 4: pronouncing that right could not grow for that reason. So 524 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,520 Speaker 4: you can research that. I'm just giving the history that. 525 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,080 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, there's a lot of people who will write 526 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:13,240 Speaker 2: books and I have no idea who that person is. 527 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:15,000 Speaker 2: But there wasn't Irish salmon. 528 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:17,440 Speaker 6: Well, I just look it up. 529 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:18,120 Speaker 7: That's all right. 530 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:20,680 Speaker 2: Well I can look up a book. I can. I can. 531 00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:22,680 Speaker 2: I have a book that I'd like you to read 532 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,600 Speaker 2: about a guy that talks about how the little Green 533 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:29,480 Speaker 2: men from Venus landed here many years ago, and that 534 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,000 Speaker 2: you know, anyone can write a book, Pete, But go ahead. 535 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:34,800 Speaker 2: What is your question for Christopher? 536 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:39,720 Speaker 4: Well, the other thing is that nobody talks about the 537 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:43,880 Speaker 4: fact that when he was abducted from either England or Wales. 538 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:48,560 Speaker 4: Later on around nineteenth he left Ireland, went back to London, 539 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:52,840 Speaker 4: became a priest, but then returned to Ireland to convert 540 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:58,200 Speaker 4: the Pagans. Now that's correct, Okay, good, I see that's good. 541 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:04,040 Speaker 4: And you see, as far as East Boston is concerned, 542 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:07,400 Speaker 4: the North End had many, many many Irish Rose was 543 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:09,920 Speaker 4: born and number four guide and caught the mother John F. 544 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:14,520 Speaker 4: Kennedy father was Honey Fitch, the mayor. And the reason 545 00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:17,360 Speaker 4: why he called him Honey it's funny is because his 546 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:19,520 Speaker 4: daddy had a grocery store and every time he left 547 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:21,760 Speaker 4: he put his finger in his mouth, he wed it, 548 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:23,280 Speaker 4: and he put it in the sugar bowl and made 549 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:23,920 Speaker 4: the lollipop. 550 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:26,280 Speaker 2: Okay, I think we're getting a little off off. 551 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:31,880 Speaker 4: Uh you know, all right, I'm just talking about Irish 552 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:32,440 Speaker 4: and so forth. 553 00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:34,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, Well, thank you very much to be in 554 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:36,680 Speaker 2: the paper, and thank you very much. I have a 555 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:42,760 Speaker 2: great night. Okay, let's go next to Dennis up and lowell. Dennis, 556 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:44,840 Speaker 2: I didn't want a short change you here in time. 557 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:49,240 Speaker 7: Go ahead, Dennis, absolutely and happy Saint Patrick's stay to 558 00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:49,840 Speaker 7: the both of you. 559 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:53,760 Speaker 2: Thank you very much. The real estate patricks anis. 560 00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:58,280 Speaker 7: Uh my family you mentioned earlier the Cliffs of Mortar 561 00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 7: in my family actually comes from the city right next 562 00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:04,320 Speaker 7: they at Dooland you know it's right next to the 563 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,960 Speaker 7: cliffs some more. And I have gone over there with 564 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:10,760 Speaker 7: a basketball team and we placed a lot of the 565 00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:14,200 Speaker 7: Irish kids over there because one of my relatives actually 566 00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:17,680 Speaker 7: was an official with the Irish Olympic team. 567 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:20,600 Speaker 2: What you was this datis was this when you were 568 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:22,000 Speaker 2: playing basketball or. 569 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:25,520 Speaker 7: No, no, I was coaching. It was back to actually 570 00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:28,480 Speaker 7: in the nineteen eighties, okay eighty six, you know that 571 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:33,040 Speaker 7: type of thing. Yeah, but we had a good time. 572 00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:36,440 Speaker 7: And like one of the kiddos, Dan Callahan, who like 573 00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:39,760 Speaker 7: the second or third leading scorer at Northeast and later on, 574 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:41,600 Speaker 7: I mean I had a high school team. I didn't 575 00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,640 Speaker 7: have college kids, but he uh, he played you know, 576 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:48,280 Speaker 7: he ended up playing for the Irish national team. But anyway, 577 00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,320 Speaker 7: we had a great trip and we visited like you know, 578 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:55,040 Speaker 7: we started out over in Dublin and visited Trinity College 579 00:32:55,120 --> 00:33:00,479 Speaker 7: and of course we've been visited the Guinness and all 580 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,480 Speaker 7: various places. We just had a great time over an island. 581 00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:05,560 Speaker 2: But well, did you did you get a chance, Dennis 582 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:09,840 Speaker 2: to read Chris Muther's piece in the Globe on on Sunday? 583 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:13,360 Speaker 7: Yeah, yes, I get the Globe very well. 584 00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:15,520 Speaker 2: You know, he hit he hit a lot of the 585 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:18,280 Speaker 2: places that you had that you had talked about. So 586 00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,840 Speaker 2: again he hit a lot of places that that I 587 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:25,160 Speaker 2: had visited on my trips to Ireland, but he also 588 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:29,520 Speaker 2: hit places that I've missed. And uh, and it's just 589 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,640 Speaker 2: it's amazing. You could go back there a hundred times 590 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:33,640 Speaker 2: and you wouldn't see it at all. 591 00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:33,760 Speaker 4: Oh. 592 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:37,400 Speaker 2: Yes, and it's not it's not it's not a huge country. 593 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:40,800 Speaker 2: You're not talking about the country the size of Canada 594 00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:44,920 Speaker 2: or Brazil or or Russia or or India or whatever. 595 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:48,920 Speaker 2: But boy, it's it's an important country and you know, 596 00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:52,720 Speaker 2: for for thinkers and writers. Christopher, did you I don't 597 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:54,960 Speaker 2: know if you have any Irish blood, but did you 598 00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:59,880 Speaker 2: identify with the writers uh you know of Ireland? Did 599 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,000 Speaker 2: that that didn't have a big role in your in 600 00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:05,840 Speaker 2: your piece, in your piece, but just wondering if you 601 00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:06,440 Speaker 2: did you know. 602 00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:12,640 Speaker 3: I I mean, yes, I mean obviously James Joyce for sure, 603 00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:15,480 Speaker 3: and especially off the Wild. 604 00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:18,120 Speaker 2: But that's right, I had met your Wild was mentioned, 605 00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:19,880 Speaker 2: but Keats and others. 606 00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:22,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean, but you know, like i'd have 607 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:26,000 Speaker 3: to say, you know, obviously for such a small country, 608 00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:31,200 Speaker 3: such a great literary history, it's it's remarkable. Yeah, I 609 00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:32,840 Speaker 3: wish I had more of a chance to sort of 610 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,080 Speaker 3: delve into the culture. 611 00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:35,480 Speaker 7: You know. 612 00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:39,960 Speaker 3: My focus really for my first time out was sort 613 00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:45,560 Speaker 3: of history with a mattering of falconry that was. 614 00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:50,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, well the history is the culture and the 615 00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:53,239 Speaker 2: culture is the history. So you you get, you did it. 616 00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:55,879 Speaker 2: You did a great job on it. As far as. 617 00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:00,719 Speaker 7: Would be able to go to Dingle, I love that you're, 618 00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:04,040 Speaker 7: you know, in the southwestern part of Ireland's the beautiful 619 00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:04,840 Speaker 7: pot of Island. 620 00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:07,360 Speaker 3: I did go to Dingle, and I thought it was 621 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,719 Speaker 3: stunning down there, Like that was probably one of my 622 00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,320 Speaker 3: favorite parts of the trip, that's going down there, and 623 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,839 Speaker 3: again a place I wish I'd planned to spend more 624 00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,600 Speaker 3: time as opposed to like, you know, a quick afternoon, 625 00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:23,160 Speaker 3: so excuse to go back, Hey. 626 00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:26,839 Speaker 2: Dennis, Dennis, We'll talk soon. Thanks, thanks my friend, thanks 627 00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:31,040 Speaker 2: for the call. All right, Christopher, I have really enjoyed 628 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:35,040 Speaker 2: this hour tonight on Saint Patrick's stay with you. I 629 00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:38,080 Speaker 2: thank you, I thank you for giving us being so 630 00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:43,400 Speaker 2: generous with your time. What's the next big adventure you're 631 00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:43,919 Speaker 2: going to take? 632 00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:52,040 Speaker 3: The next big one is Barcelona? Really uh, And that's 633 00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:53,960 Speaker 3: that's coming up in a couple of weeks. There's a 634 00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:58,520 Speaker 3: new NonStop flight that's going to be starting from Boston 635 00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:02,600 Speaker 3: on Jeff Blue and so I'm going to head over 636 00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:05,120 Speaker 3: there and I'm going to write a story about how 637 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:08,960 Speaker 3: to be a good tourist in Barcelona because there's been 638 00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:13,000 Speaker 3: a lot of yes with tourism. 639 00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:17,480 Speaker 2: There, yeah, and particularly and particularly American tourism. And unfortunately 640 00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:20,960 Speaker 2: I have never been to Spain. I've been to a 641 00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:23,479 Speaker 2: lot of countries in Europe, but I've never been to Spain, 642 00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:25,560 Speaker 2: and that is definitely on my list. So I'm looking 643 00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:29,120 Speaker 2: forward to reading your article about your trip to Barcelona. 644 00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:32,920 Speaker 2: When is that likely going to be hitting the paper 645 00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:35,480 Speaker 2: or is this something that's that's going to be on 646 00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:38,160 Speaker 2: a faster track than Ireland September to March. 647 00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:40,800 Speaker 3: Well, it will definitely be on a faster track. It 648 00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:41,560 Speaker 3: will be in April. 649 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:45,200 Speaker 2: That's great, well everyone can look forward to that. Christopher, 650 00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:46,879 Speaker 2: thanks so much tonight. I hope you've had a great 651 00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:50,080 Speaker 2: Saint Patrick's Day. You made it memorable for me and 652 00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:53,960 Speaker 2: I really did love the article, and thanks for being available. 653 00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:56,480 Speaker 2: I really do appreciate the time. Happy Saint Patrick's Day 654 00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,760 Speaker 2: to you. And I know you, like me, don't particularly 655 00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,759 Speaker 2: put take of guinness. But hopefully there's something in the 656 00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:05,440 Speaker 2: fridge that can that you can finish Saint Patrick's Day 657 00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:05,719 Speaker 2: off with. 658 00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,320 Speaker 3: I'm sure I can track something down. Thank you so 659 00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:10,879 Speaker 3: much for having me down with a lot of fun. 660 00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,160 Speaker 2: My pleasure right back at you. When we get back 661 00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:15,600 Speaker 2: here on nightside after ten o'clock news, we're going to 662 00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:18,799 Speaker 2: talk about what's going on halfway around the world. There's 663 00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:22,320 Speaker 2: some late developments in the last few hours, and I 664 00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:26,200 Speaker 2: again I'm looking forward to get as many different perspectives 665 00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,960 Speaker 2: on what is going on. The US at war with Iran, 666 00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:32,520 Speaker 2: I have no doubt about that. And tonight there was 667 00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:35,720 Speaker 2: some big bombs dropped near the strait of our moves 668 00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:40,080 Speaker 2: and that waterway has to get opened for this to 669 00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:44,399 Speaker 2: be a successful military action by the United States back 670 00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:45,000 Speaker 2: on nightside