Speaker 1: It is The Jesse Kelly Show, another hour of The
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Speaker 1: The Jesse Kelly Show. But it's our two, and as promised,
Speaker 1: we are now going to pick up where we left
Speaker 1: off last night and continue our history, a history not
Speaker 1: many people know about the Rhodesian Bush War. If you
Speaker 1: missed a lot of the background, so much of it
Speaker 1: was background, It was tribal stuff. And if you miss that,
Speaker 1: I don't have time to recap it for you. Now
Speaker 1: we must move on in the story. iHeart Spotify iTunes.
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Speaker 1: no charge for any of this. Our two of last night,
Speaker 1: we gave a lot of the background. Your thirty second
Speaker 1: to one minute background. Is this. A man named Cecil
Speaker 1: Rhodes grabbed a bunch of miners, other people, yes, women
Speaker 1: and children, walked into a tribal land, a tribal land
Speaker 1: that had stuff he wanted. They started to mine there.
Speaker 1: There were two historically there were more, but two main
Speaker 1: rival tribes there who'd hated each other and slaved each other,
Speaker 1: slaughtered each other, raped each other, and burned each other
Speaker 1: alive for a very long time. At some point they
Speaker 1: did it in front of the Europeans. There was a
Speaker 1: big uprising. The Europeans were mortified by such savagery, and
Speaker 1: they stepped up and they said, okay, this place is
Speaker 1: kind of ours. Now this is done. You all, you people,
Speaker 1: you tribes, you tribesmen, you go over there. You other tribesmen,
Speaker 1: you go over there. Now. This is what colonization looked
Speaker 1: like a lot of the time. We're about to lay
Speaker 1: it out for the British Empire. Remember when your history
Speaker 1: professor in college was whining and crying about colonialism. That's
Speaker 1: actually kind of a ridiculous term because there are so
Speaker 1: many different ways to quote colonize a country and let's
Speaker 1: be honest, right now. Colonization is simply a more peaceful
Speaker 1: form of conquest. That's what it is. So let's just
Speaker 1: call it all conquest, shall we. There is a spectrum,
Speaker 1: isn't there? We could go with the old. Well, the
Speaker 1: easiest one would be Genghis Khan form of conquest. Hey,
Speaker 1: I really like your lands. I think I shall take
Speaker 1: my gigantic army in there, and i will slaughter every man,
Speaker 1: woman and child. I'll even send a rearguard back to
Speaker 1: your city to ensure I killed all the pets, and
Speaker 1: then I'll move in. That is obviously an extreme end
Speaker 1: of that spectrum, but that's how conquest has been done.
Speaker 1: Then there are other types. The French. The French would
Speaker 1: be more likely to kind of not really move in,
Speaker 1: but trade with you, right, They'll provide security, they'll trade
Speaker 1: with you. The Spanish. The Spanish were about as hands
Speaker 1: off with so much of their conquest as you can be.
Speaker 1: And I know about the Spanish conquest of Mexico and whatnot,
Speaker 1: but the Spanish and all their colonization or conquest, they
Speaker 1: really just kind of wanted the gold. Hey, just give
Speaker 1: me some gold. You have any gold, I'll take some gold. British,
Speaker 1: in my opinion, did it smarter than anyone else. Because
Speaker 1: here's what the British always believed about conquering colonizing any place.
Speaker 1: The British believed that you should move in. They believe
Speaker 1: that possession was nine tenths of the law. And you
Speaker 1: can't ever really grab control of a place just by
Speaker 1: sending emissaries from Afar and picking up a shipment of
Speaker 1: gold along the coast. No, you needed your people physically
Speaker 1: building homes and schools and roads. You need your people
Speaker 1: moving in and setting up shop. But wait, there's more.
Speaker 1: I don't want to make it sound all bad if
Speaker 1: you're against conquest. They also believed in integrating the local
Speaker 1: population as you moved in. The Brits did not want
Speaker 1: to slaughter everybody. They actually didn't want to send everyone
Speaker 1: away as refe you geez. And we're talking about this
Speaker 1: spot in Africa, Africa here, but Britain did this in
Speaker 1: many other places. They wanted to find a way where, Yes,
Speaker 1: they took over. I'm not making them sound completely magnanimous here.
Speaker 1: They wanted to take over, but they also wanted to Hey,
Speaker 1: all these tribes and things like that. Look will help
Speaker 1: you out too. How About how about some clothes, how
Speaker 1: about a job, how about access to medicine, how about
Speaker 1: how let's let's help let us help you too. You
Speaker 1: are gonna work for us, like you're gonna work under us.
Speaker 1: Let's be honest, but we're gonna help each other here.
Speaker 1: Your life will be better. And I don't want to
Speaker 1: act as if they did this just out of the
Speaker 1: kindness of their hearts. Of course there'd be some of that,
Speaker 1: but really, for the Brits, and this is why I
Speaker 1: think it was so brilliant, it just made more sense.
Speaker 1: We want to take the place, we want to take
Speaker 1: it over. Slaughtering everybody generally doesn't work. It's hard to do,
Speaker 1: it's hard to make. As we've talked about before in
Speaker 1: the show, you can't really kill your way out of
Speaker 1: a problem. Usually that's difficult. But if you can somehow
Speaker 1: make the people you're conquering, make their day to day
Speaker 1: lives better, then you have to deal with a lot
Speaker 1: less rebellion, a lot fewer problems. They might even go
Speaker 1: along with it. And in fact, Rhodesia eventually we're not
Speaker 1: quite there yet. Rhodesia kind of gets to that place
Speaker 1: for a while, but right now we are post this
Speaker 1: little tribal war. The English are mortified. The Europeans in
Speaker 1: Zimbabwe are mortified, and they say, okay, enough is enough.
Speaker 1: Now it's ours. But what does it's ours mean? Well,
Speaker 1: let's talk about what it was before the Europeans got there.
Speaker 1: As you know, tribal lands. But what does that mean
Speaker 1: tribal lands? Well, a tribe at least these tribes, the
Speaker 1: way they worked, they would find some remote area, it's
Speaker 1: all remote, there's no civilization. They'd find an area that
Speaker 1: had things they needed. And what does every tribe need?
Speaker 1: Every tribe needs some way to eat. Maybe you're a
Speaker 1: hunting tribe, maybe you do agriculture. Every tribe needs water.
Speaker 1: Let's find a river, let's find something. Tribes are going
Speaker 1: to find locations that work for them and that's where
Speaker 1: they're going to build their village, their huts. That's how
Speaker 1: it's going to work. And in many ways, the tribes
Speaker 1: were extremely isolated. The villages were isolated from each other.
Speaker 1: These were people who didn't build roads, they didn't have
Speaker 1: the wheel you as a young boy. I mentioned the
Speaker 1: two tribes yesterday. I'll mention them again, the Shona and
Speaker 1: the Indobelly and by the way, the Indiebelly go buy
Speaker 1: several names. I'm just calling them into belly, the Shona
Speaker 1: in the Indobelly. If you were a young boy, you
Speaker 1: were born in this village, for this Indobelly village, there
Speaker 1: is a reasonable chance you never left. Yeah, you would
Speaker 1: go out and you would go hunt, or maybe you
Speaker 1: would go to war or something like that. But you
Speaker 1: certainly didn't bounce around the country. We modern day people,
Speaker 1: certainly modern day Americans, anyone, anyone living in a first
Speaker 1: world country listening to me right now, you've been on
Speaker 1: a road trip. How about you? Maybe you still live
Speaker 1: in your hometown, but you know what a place one
Speaker 1: hundred miles from you looks like, don't you. Of course
Speaker 1: you're almost probably scoffing. I'm laughing. Of course everyone does.
Speaker 1: Maybe you've even been on a plane. That way of
Speaker 1: thinking is totally foreign to these people who live in
Speaker 1: this area. What's one of the very first things the
Speaker 1: Europeans start to do. Roads, They start to build roads,
Speaker 1: they start to build train tracks. Why well, they're moving
Speaker 1: goods and services and people to and fro and now
Speaker 1: they're connecting villages that had previously never been connected before
Speaker 1: the African people in some time. In some ways they're
Speaker 1: moving to and fro in ways they've never moved before.
Speaker 1: And in some ways they're getting run out of an area.
Speaker 1: If the English, if the europe let's stop calling them English,
Speaker 1: because there were people from all over the European world.
Speaker 1: If the Europeans wanted that area, remember they decided they
Speaker 1: were in charge. Now they said you need to leave. Well,
Speaker 1: they were also integrating the local population, as I mentioned,
Speaker 1: they tried to do that. They really believed in doing that.
Speaker 1: Let's find a way to weave these people into our society.
Speaker 1: And remember there weren't very many Europeans at the time,
Speaker 1: not very many at all. They were way out numbered
Speaker 1: by the tribesmen. So crime, for instance, you don't have
Speaker 1: this large European police force, what do you do for cops?
Speaker 1: Every area needs cops. Well, that can create problems if
Speaker 1: you don't understand the area you're taking over. It is
Speaker 1: the Jesse Kelly Show on a fantastic, Fantastic Wednesday, a
Speaker 1: hump Day, doing part two of our history of the
Speaker 1: Rhodesian Bush War. Remember you can email us your love,
Speaker 1: your hate, your death threats. Jesse at Jesse kellyshow dot com.
Speaker 1: The Europeans are starting to take over. They're starting to
Speaker 1: build roads, they're starting to build trains, They're starting to
Speaker 1: connect African villages that have never been connected before. They're
Speaker 1: starting to run Africans out of certain places. Now, this
Speaker 1: is where, this is why I keep bringing up the
Speaker 1: two tribes, because these two tribes, the fact that there
Speaker 1: are two tribes who hate each other, is always going
Speaker 1: to come into play in this entire story, right up
Speaker 1: to the horrible brutal ending of it. Not to give
Speaker 1: the whole thing away, Remember before these guys even got here,
Speaker 1: the Shonah had been conquered by the end of Belly.
Speaker 1: They were slaves under the end of Belly. Those kinds
Speaker 1: of hard feelings don't go away easily. And the Europeans
Speaker 1: just got there, they just arrived five minutes ago. It's
Speaker 1: hard to understand everything about the culture you're conquering. It's
Speaker 1: hard to understand old tribal rivalries and bad blood. It's
Speaker 1: hard to understand the religious significance, different significance of different things,
Speaker 1: for instance, And this is going to come into play
Speaker 1: for virtually all these tribes. You know, what was really
Speaker 1: a currency for them almost a sacred level of currency,
Speaker 1: a status symbol. Cattle. How many cattle do how many
Speaker 1: cows do you have? You have a lot of cattle.
Speaker 1: Oh you've only got three? Oh that sucks. Chris got five?
Speaker 1: Must suck to be so low class. I mean you're laughing,
Speaker 1: But that's how that's how it worked. If you were
Speaker 1: a king, part of that status would be look at
Speaker 1: all of our cattle. Well, what are cattle to the
Speaker 1: Europeans at this point in time? Just what they're beef?
Speaker 1: It's beef or it's milk. It's no big deal. You
Speaker 1: raise them, you killed them, whatever, It's just one of
Speaker 1: those things they didn't quite get. They also needed a
Speaker 1: police force, and they're trying to integrate the local tribes.
Speaker 1: But let me ask you something. Do you ever have
Speaker 1: any bad blood in your family? Every family has it,
Speaker 1: maybe even in your town, a rival town, a rival family. Arrival,
Speaker 1: this arrival that I want you to imagine this when
Speaker 1: it comes to Zimbabwe that we're talking about right now.
Speaker 1: Let's say your people, your people had historically kept the
Speaker 1: Shona as slaves and slavery. Remember was not touchy feely,
Speaker 1: not at all ugly things for women, children, Let's just
Speaker 1: say maybe your mother had been a slave of the endobelly.
Speaker 1: You're now twenty five years old. Your mother raised you
Speaker 1: with those stories of what the Indibelly did to them.
Speaker 1: The Europeans knock on the door of your hut and
Speaker 1: they're handing you a policeman's uniform, because now you are
Speaker 1: going to help police some of the indobelly areas and
Speaker 1: you have the power of law enforcement behind your badge.
Speaker 1: You don't have some oath you take or even believe in.
Speaker 1: You're a tribesman who's historically been at war, and that
Speaker 1: tribe has historically abused your family. And now you're about
Speaker 1: to get a weapon and two or three of your
Speaker 1: cop buddies and you're about to walk into their area.
Speaker 1: Do you think there would be any temptation to abuse
Speaker 1: that kind of power. This happened often. The Europeans were
Speaker 1: having and will always have such a difficult time keeping
Speaker 1: the tribes separate from each other, understanding the depth of
Speaker 1: hatred they have for each other. There was African police abuse,
Speaker 1: African on African police abuse all over the place. Combine
Speaker 1: that with this I already talked about historically how these
Speaker 1: tribes worked, they lived, in their little villages. Now they're
Speaker 1: being moved onto what are essentially reservations. They're getting moved
Speaker 1: away from their historic homelands. They're not thrilled about it. Now,
Speaker 1: let's add one more l to it. And this is
Speaker 1: a long complicated affair. For the sake of not having
Speaker 1: this be a ten episode thing, I'm fast forwarding through
Speaker 1: some things. There gets to be a plague with the cows.
Speaker 1: What do the Europeans do when there's a cow plague?
Speaker 1: They do what any civilized society would do, and they
Speaker 1: start to kill the cows. I just got done explaining
Speaker 1: cows are sacred to these people, a status symbol to
Speaker 1: these people. As a European, you may have everyone's best
Speaker 1: interest at heart. When you send a few guys onto
Speaker 1: somebody's land and shoot twenty of his cows in the head,
Speaker 1: he is almost undoubtedly going to interpret that act differently
Speaker 1: than you do. It's bad. Rebellion breaks out. Rebellion breaks out.
Speaker 1: In fact, you should know. I won't tell you the
Speaker 1: name of it, because it's another detail. I'm already drowning
Speaker 1: you in details. But they consider the Rhodesian Bush War
Speaker 1: to be the second version of this rebellion, that's what
Speaker 1: they call it. This is the first of these rebellions.
Speaker 1: The tribes rise up, they rebel. They are not as
Speaker 1: technologically advanced they do, however, have the numbers. It's slaughter,
Speaker 1: it's destruction. They're doing things like one miner he had
Speaker 1: worked with ten Africans on a mine for a long time.
Speaker 1: He then found himself with them crawling into the mind
Speaker 1: trying to beat him to death one night. There are
Speaker 1: some stories I'll tell you in a moment. It is
Speaker 1: the Jesse Kelly Show on a Wonderful Wednesday talking about
Speaker 1: the land down under Africa tonight as we go, quit what, Chris,
Speaker 1: I'm not a geologist, all right, I don't know everything.
Speaker 1: All right. Back to our history of the Rhodesian Bush War.
Speaker 1: The Europeans had set up the trains, that'd set up
Speaker 1: the villages. The tribes were hating each other. The tribes
Speaker 1: were not liking this European rule, and they broke out
Speaker 1: in rebellion. Now, this is nothing like the rebellion that
Speaker 1: will happen during the Rhodesian Bush War. This is completely disorganized.
Speaker 1: There aren't any central leaders. And remember the two tribes
Speaker 1: hate each other as much as they hate the Europeans.
Speaker 1: So what does this rebellion look like. It sounds horrifying,
Speaker 1: but it's essentially small areas where panic gets inflamed, anger
Speaker 1: gets inflamed, and it's oftentimes led by local religious leaders,
Speaker 1: local tribal religious leaders, you know, all these weird tribal
Speaker 1: false religions. Local religious leaders would get their local area
Speaker 1: to rise up against the white invaders, the European invaders.
Speaker 1: I told you briefly about that story of the miner.
Speaker 1: Well you know how most of that story went. He
Speaker 1: walked out of his house to find ten Africans who
Speaker 1: he had worked with on the mine, not slaves or
Speaker 1: something like that, you know, working with him every day
Speaker 1: lunch wages that there were co workers with war clubs.
Speaker 1: This animal manages to wrestle one of the war clubs
Speaker 1: from him. They start beating him. He starts swinging back
Speaker 1: and beating them. He makes his way all the way
Speaker 1: into the mind shaft where he rolls down into the
Speaker 1: mind shaft, and then he has more miners in the
Speaker 1: mind shaft who he's worked with, who he thinks will
Speaker 1: come to his aid, and they start beating him too.
Speaker 1: He starts fighting them off he's fighting his way through
Speaker 1: the mines. These things happen. In another incident, two guys
Speaker 1: are sitting there, there are women and children hidden behind them,
Speaker 1: and the tribesmen have so rounded the mine and they
Speaker 1: are essentially getting ready to kill everyone in it. The
Speaker 1: two dudes make a break for it. What are they
Speaker 1: making a break for. They're going for the telegraph line
Speaker 1: so they can telegraph for help so the women and
Speaker 1: children won't die. They book it. One of them, actually
Speaker 1: both of them end up making it the entire way
Speaker 1: to the telegraph hut. One holds the door closed from
Speaker 1: the angry tribesman behind him, while the other gets on
Speaker 1: the telegraph machine and telegraphs the message out. Eventually, the
Speaker 1: door is kicked down and both men die with African
Speaker 1: spears sticking out from all over their bodies. This is
Speaker 1: taking place all across Zimbabwe at this time, but as
Speaker 1: I said, it is not unified. It is poorly led.
Speaker 1: And eventually the Europeans raise for themselves, or they should say,
Speaker 1: they get back their army. Long story I won't go into.
Speaker 1: Most of their fighting men had gone to fight somewhere
Speaker 1: else and they'd been captured. They get their fighting men
Speaker 1: and their fighting men are organized, and they are well led,
Speaker 1: and they start to put this rebellion down. They put
Speaker 1: it down to such effect. The rebels are now starving.
Speaker 1: The rebels are hiding in caves, and the Europeans are
Speaker 1: dynamiting rebels out of caves, dynamiting the entrance, starving them.
Speaker 1: And there's an or horrible, horrible, ugly affair. Cecil Rhodes,
Speaker 1: the guy who started all this, he brings all the
Speaker 1: tribal leaders together finally after a very vicious little war,
Speaker 1: and he negotiates a peace because the tribes are starving.
Speaker 1: They're starving. They're done. Only now, this is the problem
Speaker 1: with rebellion when you lose one. If you lose one,
Speaker 1: you are always going to end up worse off than
Speaker 1: you were before. If you're going to rebel, you better win.
Speaker 1: The whole history of the world proves this to be
Speaker 1: the case. It's almost weird when you look back and
Speaker 1: you wonder why so many people rebelled. We're going to
Speaker 1: rebel against Babylon. Oh no, we're all skinned alive. I mean,
Speaker 1: it just doesn't it doesn't work. Now they have no
Speaker 1: more control. And now after the negotiated peace, now Britain
Speaker 1: is no longer doing that. Well, it's not really our thing,
Speaker 1: it's kind of a private enterprise thing. Nope, now this
Speaker 1: is the nineteen twenties. Now Britain says no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: it's our country now. Now. They even gave it a name,
Speaker 1: South Rhodesia, by the way, in case you're wondering, Yes,
Speaker 1: that name comes from the name Cecil Rhoades. And no
Speaker 1: he didn't name it. In fact, he didn't even like
Speaker 1: the name, which is weird. I've always wanted a country
Speaker 1: named after me. That is not what he preferred at all,
Speaker 1: but Rhodesia. Only at this point in time, it's named
Speaker 1: South Rhodesia. Let's fast forward just a little bit. They
Speaker 1: are locking in their control of the area. They're building
Speaker 1: whole cities. Now, they're trying to modernize this country as
Speaker 1: possible in a long comes World War two. This part
Speaker 1: is going to be important for our story as we
Speaker 1: move along. I already told you the kind of people
Speaker 1: last night, the kind of Europeans who came here. These
Speaker 1: were not convicts who just got out. These were not
Speaker 1: idiot's welfare recipients. In many ways, it was the cream
Speaker 1: of the crop. For Europeans and their children. They were
Speaker 1: tough as nails as well, not these effeminate, you know,
Speaker 1: pinky out people. Tough as nails. And they also had
Speaker 1: because there were so few of them, and a country
Speaker 1: that was so big, with so many bigger tries, mandatory
Speaker 1: military service for all the males. It is the Jesse
Speaker 1: Kelly Show on a magnificent Monday. I swear if you're suffering,
Speaker 1: we'll be back to politics in ten minutes. But we're
Speaker 1: doing part two of the Rhodesian bush War. Now. We
Speaker 1: just finished the rebellion. The Europeans put down the rebellion.
Speaker 1: Britton essentially decided, okay, that's enough of all this playing games.
Speaker 1: Now it's a country. Now, it's our country. In fact,
Speaker 1: we're slapping a name on it now it's called South Rhodesia.
Speaker 1: And well, the way it works is, of course, World
Speaker 1: War two breaks out. The Rhodesians, as I mentioned, black
Speaker 1: and white military men went off and fought valiantly for
Speaker 1: the Brits. That will end up mattering later on. But
Speaker 1: something else happens, and this is the ugly part of life,
Speaker 1: the ironic, I guess I should should say part of life.
Speaker 1: In a lot of ways war can be good for economies. Certainly,
Speaker 1: if you are a country that produces stuff, war can
Speaker 1: be very good for you. Why are the Europeans in
Speaker 1: Rhodesia to begin with? It's rich with resources, The land
Speaker 1: is wonderful for agriculture. There are things to mine there.
Speaker 1: And guess which empire needs stuff right about now? Well
Speaker 1: the Allies, well all of them, but the Allies need it.
Speaker 1: The economy starts booming, booming, there are huge checks coming
Speaker 1: into Rhodesia because the Allies needs stuff. Well, this is Africa,
Speaker 1: we already mentioned. It's a rough place. It's been a
Speaker 1: rough place, just has not become a modern continent. Ever,
Speaker 1: what do you think happens when the Rhodesian Econo enemy
Speaker 1: starts booming? The word goes out. The word goes out
Speaker 1: to all the other countries around there who may be struggling.
Speaker 1: There's always a famine, always a war, always a plague.
Speaker 1: And more Africans start pouring into Rhodesia looking for work,
Speaker 1: looking for an opportunity, and they find them. But as
Speaker 1: usually happens, the war doesn't last forever. And after the
Speaker 1: war is over, let's say, let's say it's the year
Speaker 1: nineteen forty one in your Rhodesia, just for the sake
Speaker 1: of argument, and your economy starts booming. Everyone knows it.
Speaker 1: Everyone in Africa knows it. And so let's just say
Speaker 1: you get a million, two million Africans from other countries
Speaker 1: coming in to take advantage of the opportunity to feed
Speaker 1: their families, clothed themselves, you know, all those things. But
Speaker 1: then nineteen forty five rolls around in biop war over. Well,
Speaker 1: there's still a market obviously for crops and chrome and
Speaker 1: the other things they mind, but not near the market
Speaker 1: it once was. Well, now all those people have already
Speaker 1: come in, Now they've already brought jobs in. Now there's
Speaker 1: not as much economic opportunity to go around, yet the
Speaker 1: people are still there. This creates a situation that from
Speaker 1: the outside looking in, looks terrible. The situation being this,
Speaker 1: you have these extremely wealthy, modern looking, mostly white, although
Speaker 1: there were plenty of black people. There are extremely modern,
Speaker 1: wealthy looking towns that would have looked like any town
Speaker 1: in America, any city in Europe popping up. Only on
Speaker 1: the outskirts there are extremely run down, poor, all black
Speaker 1: shanty towns that start popping up. The reason this is
Speaker 1: so disastrous is post World War Two. There was a
Speaker 1: thing that was happening globally. It wasn't just to Britain.
Speaker 1: After World War Two, countries that had empires overseas started
Speaker 1: to give them up. Sometimes they fought hard for them,
Speaker 1: you know, this was the French in Vietnam. Whe they
Speaker 1: eventually lost that, but they fought hard trying to keep it.
Speaker 1: Some countries just flat out walked away from it. But
Speaker 1: no matter what, there is a macro movement happening on
Speaker 1: planet Earth post World War two. And that movement was, Hey,
Speaker 1: you super powerful empires with a colony here and a
Speaker 1: colony there in Britain's in India, and the French are
Speaker 1: in Vietnam and everyone's in Africa. Hey, you know what,
Speaker 1: no more, no more, It's time to walk away from
Speaker 1: your overseas empire. And I'm going to put this in
Speaker 1: quotes because I don't necessarily believe in this, but the
Speaker 1: quote decolonization movement has begun. Now, well, how do you
Speaker 1: think Rhodesia looks to the rest of the world when
Speaker 1: everyone else is giving up their overseas territories And now
Speaker 1: you look at this insanely wealthy prosperous African country. These
Speaker 1: other African countries, for the most part, they're sucking it up.
Speaker 1: They're doing terribly well. Rhodesia, certainly the Rhodesians are the
Speaker 1: Europeans in Rhodesia. Rhodesia they're thriving, and the African peoples
Speaker 1: in Rhodesia they're on reservations, just like our Indian reservations.
Speaker 1: They're on reservations where the Europeans put them, or they're
Speaker 1: in shanty towns. And there's another part of it that
Speaker 1: just looked bad. And this is actually how we're going
Speaker 1: to open our show tomorrow. So let me ask a question.
Speaker 1: Who should get to vote in any society? Who deserves
Speaker 1: to say in the government of any society? I think
Speaker 1: you would probably agree with me. That shouldn't be everybody, right,
Speaker 1: you don't want twelve year olds to vote. Of course,
Speaker 1: if there's some serial killer getting ready to be executed tomorrow,
Speaker 1: do you want his vote cancel out? He's canceling out
Speaker 1: your vote for president tomorrow? No, okay? So will at
Speaker 1: least agree on that it shouldn't be everybody? Okay? So
Speaker 1: that means there should be limits? What limits? How do
Speaker 1: you form a nation, a good if that's what you
Speaker 1: want to be, A good, prosperous country, a country considered
Speaker 1: to be free, while also putting limits on who has
Speaker 1: a say in the government. In Rhodesia, the Africans did
Speaker 1: not have a say in the government. No say, none,
Speaker 1: and that's about to be a problem. We'll have to
Speaker 1: continue that tomorrow. Before we do that, let's do some
Speaker 1: more politics, shall we. Let's talk about some AI impeachments,
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