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<v Speaker 1>It is The Jesse Kelly Show, another hour of The

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<v Speaker 1>Jesse Kelly Show on a magnificent Wednesday. So you know

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<v Speaker 1>so much more coming up in the third hour of

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<v Speaker 1>The Jesse Kelly Show. But it's our two, and as promised,

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<v Speaker 1>we are now going to pick up where we left

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<v Speaker 1>off last night and continue our history, a history not

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<v Speaker 1>many people know about the Rhodesian Bush War. If you

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<v Speaker 1>missed a lot of the background, so much of it

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<v Speaker 1>was background, It was tribal stuff. And if you miss that,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't have time to recap it for you. Now

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<v Speaker 1>we must move on in the story. iHeart Spotify iTunes.

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<v Speaker 1>You can go download the podcast. It's all free. There's

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<v Speaker 1>no charge for any of this. Our two of last night,

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<v Speaker 1>we gave a lot of the background. Your thirty second

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<v Speaker 1>to one minute background. Is this. A man named Cecil

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<v Speaker 1>Rhodes grabbed a bunch of miners, other people, yes, women

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<v Speaker 1>and children, walked into a tribal land, a tribal land

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<v Speaker 1>that had stuff he wanted. They started to mine there.

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<v Speaker 1>There were two historically there were more, but two main

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<v Speaker 1>rival tribes there who'd hated each other and slaved each other,

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<v Speaker 1>slaughtered each other, raped each other, and burned each other

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<v Speaker 1>alive for a very long time. At some point they

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<v Speaker 1>did it in front of the Europeans. There was a

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<v Speaker 1>big uprising. The Europeans were mortified by such savagery, and

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<v Speaker 1>they stepped up and they said, okay, this place is

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<v Speaker 1>kind of ours. Now this is done. You all, you people,

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<v Speaker 1>you tribes, you tribesmen, you go over there. You other tribesmen,

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<v Speaker 1>you go over there. Now. This is what colonization looked

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<v Speaker 1>like a lot of the time. We're about to lay

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<v Speaker 1>it out for the British Empire. Remember when your history

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<v Speaker 1>professor in college was whining and crying about colonialism. That's

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<v Speaker 1>actually kind of a ridiculous term because there are so

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<v Speaker 1>many different ways to quote colonize a country and let's

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<v Speaker 1>be honest, right now. Colonization is simply a more peaceful

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<v Speaker 1>form of conquest. That's what it is. So let's just

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<v Speaker 1>call it all conquest, shall we. There is a spectrum,

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<v Speaker 1>isn't there? We could go with the old. Well, the

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<v Speaker 1>easiest one would be Genghis Khan form of conquest. Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>I really like your lands. I think I shall take

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<v Speaker 1>my gigantic army in there, and i will slaughter every man,

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<v Speaker 1>woman and child. I'll even send a rearguard back to

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<v Speaker 1>your city to ensure I killed all the pets, and

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<v Speaker 1>then I'll move in. That is obviously an extreme end

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<v Speaker 1>of that spectrum, but that's how conquest has been done.

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<v Speaker 1>Then there are other types. The French. The French would

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<v Speaker 1>be more likely to kind of not really move in,

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<v Speaker 1>but trade with you, right, They'll provide security, they'll trade

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<v Speaker 1>with you. The Spanish. The Spanish were about as hands

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<v Speaker 1>off with so much of their conquest as you can be.

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<v Speaker 1>And I know about the Spanish conquest of Mexico and whatnot,

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<v Speaker 1>but the Spanish and all their colonization or conquest, they

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<v Speaker 1>really just kind of wanted the gold. Hey, just give

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<v Speaker 1>me some gold. You have any gold, I'll take some gold. British,

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<v Speaker 1>in my opinion, did it smarter than anyone else. Because

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<v Speaker 1>here's what the British always believed about conquering colonizing any place.

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<v Speaker 1>The British believed that you should move in. They believe

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<v Speaker 1>that possession was nine tenths of the law. And you

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<v Speaker 1>can't ever really grab control of a place just by

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<v Speaker 1>sending emissaries from Afar and picking up a shipment of

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<v Speaker 1>gold along the coast. No, you needed your people physically

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<v Speaker 1>building homes and schools and roads. You need your people

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<v Speaker 1>moving in and setting up shop. But wait, there's more.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to make it sound all bad if

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<v Speaker 1>you're against conquest. They also believed in integrating the local

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<v Speaker 1>population as you moved in. The Brits did not want

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<v Speaker 1>to slaughter everybody. They actually didn't want to send everyone

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<v Speaker 1>away as refe you geez. And we're talking about this

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<v Speaker 1>spot in Africa, Africa here, but Britain did this in

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<v Speaker 1>many other places. They wanted to find a way where, Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>they took over. I'm not making them sound completely magnanimous here.

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<v Speaker 1>They wanted to take over, but they also wanted to Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>all these tribes and things like that. Look will help

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<v Speaker 1>you out too. How About how about some clothes, how

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<v Speaker 1>about a job, how about access to medicine, how about

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<v Speaker 1>how let's let's help let us help you too. You

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<v Speaker 1>are gonna work for us, like you're gonna work under us.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's be honest, but we're gonna help each other here.

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<v Speaker 1>Your life will be better. And I don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>act as if they did this just out of the

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<v Speaker 1>kindness of their hearts. Of course there'd be some of that,

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<v Speaker 1>but really, for the Brits, and this is why I

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<v Speaker 1>think it was so brilliant, it just made more sense.

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<v Speaker 1>We want to take the place, we want to take

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<v Speaker 1>it over. Slaughtering everybody generally doesn't work. It's hard to do,

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<v Speaker 1>it's hard to make. As we've talked about before in

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<v Speaker 1>the show, you can't really kill your way out of

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<v Speaker 1>a problem. Usually that's difficult. But if you can somehow

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<v Speaker 1>make the people you're conquering, make their day to day

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<v Speaker 1>lives better, then you have to deal with a lot

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<v Speaker 1>less rebellion, a lot fewer problems. They might even go

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<v Speaker 1>along with it. And in fact, Rhodesia eventually we're not

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<v Speaker 1>quite there yet. Rhodesia kind of gets to that place

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<v Speaker 1>for a while, but right now we are post this

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<v Speaker 1>little tribal war. The English are mortified. The Europeans in

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<v Speaker 1>Zimbabwe are mortified, and they say, okay, enough is enough.

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<v Speaker 1>Now it's ours. But what does it's ours mean? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>let's talk about what it was before the Europeans got there.

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<v Speaker 1>As you know, tribal lands. But what does that mean

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<v Speaker 1>tribal lands? Well, a tribe at least these tribes, the

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<v Speaker 1>way they worked, they would find some remote area, it's

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<v Speaker 1>all remote, there's no civilization. They'd find an area that

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<v Speaker 1>had things they needed. And what does every tribe need?

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<v Speaker 1>Every tribe needs some way to eat. Maybe you're a

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<v Speaker 1>hunting tribe, maybe you do agriculture. Every tribe needs water.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's find a river, let's find something. Tribes are going

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<v Speaker 1>to find locations that work for them and that's where

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<v Speaker 1>they're going to build their village, their huts. That's how

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<v Speaker 1>it's going to work. And in many ways, the tribes

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<v Speaker 1>were extremely isolated. The villages were isolated from each other.

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<v Speaker 1>These were people who didn't build roads, they didn't have

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<v Speaker 1>the wheel you as a young boy. I mentioned the

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<v Speaker 1>two tribes yesterday. I'll mention them again, the Shona and

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<v Speaker 1>the Indobelly and by the way, the Indiebelly go buy

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<v Speaker 1>several names. I'm just calling them into belly, the Shona

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<v Speaker 1>in the Indobelly. If you were a young boy, you

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<v Speaker 1>were born in this village, for this Indobelly village, there

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<v Speaker 1>is a reasonable chance you never left. Yeah, you would

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<v Speaker 1>go out and you would go hunt, or maybe you

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<v Speaker 1>would go to war or something like that. But you

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<v Speaker 1>certainly didn't bounce around the country. We modern day people,

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<v Speaker 1>certainly modern day Americans, anyone, anyone living in a first

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<v Speaker 1>world country listening to me right now, you've been on

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<v Speaker 1>a road trip. How about you? Maybe you still live

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<v Speaker 1>in your hometown, but you know what a place one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred miles from you looks like, don't you. Of course

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<v Speaker 1>you're almost probably scoffing. I'm laughing. Of course everyone does.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe you've even been on a plane. That way of

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<v Speaker 1>thinking is totally foreign to these people who live in

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<v Speaker 1>this area. What's one of the very first things the

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<v Speaker 1>Europeans start to do. Roads, They start to build roads,

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<v Speaker 1>they start to build train tracks. Why well, they're moving

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<v Speaker 1>goods and services and people to and fro and now

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<v Speaker 1>they're connecting villages that had previously never been connected before

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<v Speaker 1>the African people in some time. In some ways they're

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<v Speaker 1>moving to and fro in ways they've never moved before.

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<v Speaker 1>And in some ways they're getting run out of an area.

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<v Speaker 1>If the English, if the europe let's stop calling them English,

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<v Speaker 1>because there were people from all over the European world.

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<v Speaker 1>If the Europeans wanted that area, remember they decided they

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<v Speaker 1>were in charge. Now they said you need to leave. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>they were also integrating the local population, as I mentioned,

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<v Speaker 1>they tried to do that. They really believed in doing that.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's find a way to weave these people into our society.

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<v Speaker 1>And remember there weren't very many Europeans at the time,

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<v Speaker 1>not very many at all. They were way out numbered

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<v Speaker 1>by the tribesmen. So crime, for instance, you don't have

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<v Speaker 1>this large European police force, what do you do for cops?

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<v Speaker 1>Every area needs cops. Well, that can create problems if

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<v Speaker 1>you don't understand the area you're taking over. It is

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<v Speaker 1>the Jesse Kelly Show on a fantastic, Fantastic Wednesday, a

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<v Speaker 1>hump Day, doing part two of our history of the

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<v Speaker 1>Rhodesian Bush War. Remember you can email us your love,

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<v Speaker 1>your hate, your death threats. Jesse at Jesse kellyshow dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>The Europeans are starting to take over. They're starting to

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<v Speaker 1>build roads, they're starting to build trains, They're starting to

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<v Speaker 1>connect African villages that have never been connected before. They're

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<v Speaker 1>starting to run Africans out of certain places. Now, this

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<v Speaker 1>is where, this is why I keep bringing up the

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<v Speaker 1>two tribes, because these two tribes, the fact that there

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<v Speaker 1>are two tribes who hate each other, is always going

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<v Speaker 1>to come into play in this entire story, right up

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<v Speaker 1>to the horrible brutal ending of it. Not to give

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<v Speaker 1>the whole thing away, Remember before these guys even got here,

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<v Speaker 1>the Shonah had been conquered by the end of Belly.

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<v Speaker 1>They were slaves under the end of Belly. Those kinds

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<v Speaker 1>of hard feelings don't go away easily. And the Europeans

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<v Speaker 1>just got there, they just arrived five minutes ago. It's

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<v Speaker 1>hard to understand everything about the culture you're conquering. It's

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<v Speaker 1>hard to understand old tribal rivalries and bad blood. It's

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<v Speaker 1>hard to understand the religious significance, different significance of different things,

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<v Speaker 1>for instance, And this is going to come into play

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<v Speaker 1>for virtually all these tribes. You know, what was really

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<v Speaker 1>a currency for them almost a sacred level of currency,

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<v Speaker 1>a status symbol. Cattle. How many cattle do how many

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<v Speaker 1>cows do you have? You have a lot of cattle.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh you've only got three? Oh that sucks. Chris got five?

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<v Speaker 1>Must suck to be so low class. I mean you're laughing,

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<v Speaker 1>But that's how that's how it worked. If you were

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<v Speaker 1>a king, part of that status would be look at

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<v Speaker 1>all of our cattle. Well, what are cattle to the

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<v Speaker 1>Europeans at this point in time? Just what they're beef?

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<v Speaker 1>It's beef or it's milk. It's no big deal. You

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<v Speaker 1>raise them, you killed them, whatever, It's just one of

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<v Speaker 1>those things they didn't quite get. They also needed a

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<v Speaker 1>police force, and they're trying to integrate the local tribes.

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<v Speaker 1>But let me ask you something. Do you ever have

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<v Speaker 1>any bad blood in your family? Every family has it,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe even in your town, a rival town, a rival family. Arrival,

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<v Speaker 1>this arrival that I want you to imagine this when

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<v Speaker 1>it comes to Zimbabwe that we're talking about right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's say your people, your people had historically kept the

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<v Speaker 1>Shona as slaves and slavery. Remember was not touchy feely,

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<v Speaker 1>not at all ugly things for women, children, Let's just

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<v Speaker 1>say maybe your mother had been a slave of the endobelly.

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<v Speaker 1>You're now twenty five years old. Your mother raised you

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<v Speaker 1>with those stories of what the Indibelly did to them.

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<v Speaker 1>The Europeans knock on the door of your hut and

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<v Speaker 1>they're handing you a policeman's uniform, because now you are

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<v Speaker 1>going to help police some of the indobelly areas and

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<v Speaker 1>you have the power of law enforcement behind your badge.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't have some oath you take or even believe in.

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<v Speaker 1>You're a tribesman who's historically been at war, and that

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<v Speaker 1>tribe has historically abused your family. And now you're about

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<v Speaker 1>to get a weapon and two or three of your

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<v Speaker 1>cop buddies and you're about to walk into their area.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think there would be any temptation to abuse

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<v Speaker 1>that kind of power. This happened often. The Europeans were

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<v Speaker 1>having and will always have such a difficult time keeping

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<v Speaker 1>the tribes separate from each other, understanding the depth of

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<v Speaker 1>hatred they have for each other. There was African police abuse,

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<v Speaker 1>African on African police abuse all over the place. Combine

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<v Speaker 1>that with this I already talked about historically how these

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<v Speaker 1>tribes worked, they lived, in their little villages. Now they're

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<v Speaker 1>being moved onto what are essentially reservations. They're getting moved

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<v Speaker 1>away from their historic homelands. They're not thrilled about it. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>let's add one more l to it. And this is

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<v Speaker 1>a long complicated affair. For the sake of not having

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<v Speaker 1>this be a ten episode thing, I'm fast forwarding through

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<v Speaker 1>some things. There gets to be a plague with the cows.

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<v Speaker 1>What do the Europeans do when there's a cow plague?

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<v Speaker 1>They do what any civilized society would do, and they

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<v Speaker 1>start to kill the cows. I just got done explaining

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<v Speaker 1>cows are sacred to these people, a status symbol to

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<v Speaker 1>these people. As a European, you may have everyone's best

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<v Speaker 1>interest at heart. When you send a few guys onto

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<v Speaker 1>somebody's land and shoot twenty of his cows in the head,

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<v Speaker 1>he is almost undoubtedly going to interpret that act differently

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<v Speaker 1>than you do. It's bad. Rebellion breaks out. Rebellion breaks out.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, you should know. I won't tell you the

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<v Speaker 1>name of it, because it's another detail. I'm already drowning

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<v Speaker 1>you in details. But they consider the Rhodesian Bush War

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<v Speaker 1>to be the second version of this rebellion, that's what

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<v Speaker 1>they call it. This is the first of these rebellions.

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<v Speaker 1>The tribes rise up, they rebel. They are not as

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<v Speaker 1>technologically advanced they do, however, have the numbers. It's slaughter,

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<v Speaker 1>it's destruction. They're doing things like one miner he had

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<v Speaker 1>worked with ten Africans on a mine for a long time.

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<v Speaker 1>He then found himself with them crawling into the mind

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<v Speaker 1>trying to beat him to death one night. There are

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<v Speaker 1>some stories I'll tell you in a moment. It is

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<v Speaker 1>the Jesse Kelly Show on a Wonderful Wednesday talking about

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<v Speaker 1>the land down under Africa tonight as we go, quit what, Chris,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not a geologist, all right, I don't know everything.

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<v Speaker 1>All right. Back to our history of the Rhodesian Bush War.

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<v Speaker 1>The Europeans had set up the trains, that'd set up

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<v Speaker 1>the villages. The tribes were hating each other. The tribes

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<v Speaker 1>were not liking this European rule, and they broke out

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<v Speaker 1>in rebellion. Now, this is nothing like the rebellion that

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<v Speaker 1>will happen during the Rhodesian Bush War. This is completely disorganized.

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<v Speaker 1>There aren't any central leaders. And remember the two tribes

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<v Speaker 1>hate each other as much as they hate the Europeans.

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<v Speaker 1>So what does this rebellion look like. It sounds horrifying,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's essentially small areas where panic gets inflamed, anger

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<v Speaker 1>gets inflamed, and it's oftentimes led by local religious leaders,

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<v Speaker 1>local tribal religious leaders, you know, all these weird tribal

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<v Speaker 1>false religions. Local religious leaders would get their local area

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<v Speaker 1>to rise up against the white invaders, the European invaders.

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<v Speaker 1>I told you briefly about that story of the miner.

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<v Speaker 1>Well you know how most of that story went. He

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<v Speaker 1>walked out of his house to find ten Africans who

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<v Speaker 1>he had worked with on the mine, not slaves or

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<v Speaker 1>something like that, you know, working with him every day

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<v Speaker 1>lunch wages that there were co workers with war clubs.

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<v Speaker 1>This animal manages to wrestle one of the war clubs

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<v Speaker 1>from him. They start beating him. He starts swinging back

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<v Speaker 1>and beating them. He makes his way all the way

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<v Speaker 1>into the mind shaft where he rolls down into the

0:18:35.160 --> 0:18:38.560
<v Speaker 1>mind shaft, and then he has more miners in the

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<v Speaker 1>mind shaft who he's worked with, who he thinks will

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<v Speaker 1>come to his aid, and they start beating him too.

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<v Speaker 1>He starts fighting them off he's fighting his way through

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<v Speaker 1>the mines. These things happen. In another incident, two guys

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<v Speaker 1>are sitting there, there are women and children hidden behind them,

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<v Speaker 1>and the tribesmen have so rounded the mine and they

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<v Speaker 1>are essentially getting ready to kill everyone in it. The

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<v Speaker 1>two dudes make a break for it. What are they

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<v Speaker 1>making a break for. They're going for the telegraph line

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<v Speaker 1>so they can telegraph for help so the women and

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<v Speaker 1>children won't die. They book it. One of them, actually

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<v Speaker 1>both of them end up making it the entire way

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<v Speaker 1>to the telegraph hut. One holds the door closed from

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<v Speaker 1>the angry tribesman behind him, while the other gets on

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<v Speaker 1>the telegraph machine and telegraphs the message out. Eventually, the

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<v Speaker 1>door is kicked down and both men die with African

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<v Speaker 1>spears sticking out from all over their bodies. This is

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<v Speaker 1>taking place all across Zimbabwe at this time, but as

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<v Speaker 1>I said, it is not unified. It is poorly led.

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<v Speaker 1>And eventually the Europeans raise for themselves, or they should say,

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<v Speaker 1>they get back their army. Long story I won't go into.

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<v Speaker 1>Most of their fighting men had gone to fight somewhere

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<v Speaker 1>else and they'd been captured. They get their fighting men

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<v Speaker 1>and their fighting men are organized, and they are well led,

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<v Speaker 1>and they start to put this rebellion down. They put

0:20:15.720 --> 0:20:19.399
<v Speaker 1>it down to such effect. The rebels are now starving.

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<v Speaker 1>The rebels are hiding in caves, and the Europeans are

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<v Speaker 1>dynamiting rebels out of caves, dynamiting the entrance, starving them.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's an or horrible, horrible, ugly affair. Cecil Rhodes,

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<v Speaker 1>the guy who started all this, he brings all the

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<v Speaker 1>tribal leaders together finally after a very vicious little war,

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<v Speaker 1>and he negotiates a peace because the tribes are starving.

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<v Speaker 1>They're starving. They're done. Only now, this is the problem

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<v Speaker 1>with rebellion when you lose one. If you lose one,

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<v Speaker 1>you are always going to end up worse off than

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<v Speaker 1>you were before. If you're going to rebel, you better win.

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<v Speaker 1>The whole history of the world proves this to be

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<v Speaker 1>the case. It's almost weird when you look back and

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<v Speaker 1>you wonder why so many people rebelled. We're going to

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<v Speaker 1>rebel against Babylon. Oh no, we're all skinned alive. I mean,

0:21:21.320 --> 0:21:25.320
<v Speaker 1>it just doesn't it doesn't work. Now they have no

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<v Speaker 1>more control. And now after the negotiated peace, now Britain

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<v Speaker 1>is no longer doing that. Well, it's not really our thing,

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<v Speaker 1>it's kind of a private enterprise thing. Nope, now this

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<v Speaker 1>is the nineteen twenties. Now Britain says no, no, no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>it's our country now. Now. They even gave it a name,

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<v Speaker 1>South Rhodesia, by the way, in case you're wondering, Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>that name comes from the name Cecil Rhoades. And no

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<v Speaker 1>he didn't name it. In fact, he didn't even like

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<v Speaker 1>the name, which is weird. I've always wanted a country

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<v Speaker 1>named after me. That is not what he preferred at all,

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<v Speaker 1>but Rhodesia. Only at this point in time, it's named

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<v Speaker 1>South Rhodesia. Let's fast forward just a little bit. They

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<v Speaker 1>are locking in their control of the area. They're building

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<v Speaker 1>whole cities. Now, they're trying to modernize this country as

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<v Speaker 1>possible in a long comes World War two. This part

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<v Speaker 1>is going to be important for our story as we

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<v Speaker 1>move along. I already told you the kind of people

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<v Speaker 1>last night, the kind of Europeans who came here. These

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<v Speaker 1>were not convicts who just got out. These were not

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<v Speaker 1>idiot's welfare recipients. In many ways, it was the cream

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<v Speaker 1>of the crop. For Europeans and their children. They were

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<v Speaker 1>tough as nails as well, not these effeminate, you know,

0:22:51.280 --> 0:22:55.280
<v Speaker 1>pinky out people. Tough as nails. And they also had

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<v Speaker 1>because there were so few of them, and a country

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<v Speaker 1>that was so big, with so many bigger tries, mandatory

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<v Speaker 1>military service for all the males. It is the Jesse

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<v Speaker 1>Kelly Show on a magnificent Monday. I swear if you're suffering,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll be back to politics in ten minutes. But we're

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<v Speaker 1>doing part two of the Rhodesian bush War. Now. We

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<v Speaker 1>just finished the rebellion. The Europeans put down the rebellion.

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<v Speaker 1>Britton essentially decided, okay, that's enough of all this playing games.

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<v Speaker 1>Now it's a country. Now, it's our country. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>we're slapping a name on it now it's called South Rhodesia.

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<v Speaker 1>And well, the way it works is, of course, World

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<v Speaker 1>War two breaks out. The Rhodesians, as I mentioned, black

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<v Speaker 1>and white military men went off and fought valiantly for

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<v Speaker 1>the Brits. That will end up mattering later on. But

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<v Speaker 1>something else happens, and this is the ugly part of life,

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<v Speaker 1>the ironic, I guess I should should say part of life.

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<v Speaker 1>In a lot of ways war can be good for economies. Certainly,

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<v Speaker 1>if you are a country that produces stuff, war can

0:24:07.320 --> 0:24:10.760
<v Speaker 1>be very good for you. Why are the Europeans in

0:24:10.920 --> 0:24:15.840
<v Speaker 1>Rhodesia to begin with? It's rich with resources, The land

0:24:16.000 --> 0:24:20.040
<v Speaker 1>is wonderful for agriculture. There are things to mine there.

0:24:20.480 --> 0:24:26.240
<v Speaker 1>And guess which empire needs stuff right about now? Well

0:24:26.280 --> 0:24:28.520
<v Speaker 1>the Allies, well all of them, but the Allies need it.

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<v Speaker 1>The economy starts booming, booming, there are huge checks coming

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<v Speaker 1>into Rhodesia because the Allies needs stuff. Well, this is Africa,

0:24:47.480 --> 0:24:50.600
<v Speaker 1>we already mentioned. It's a rough place. It's been a

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<v Speaker 1>rough place, just has not become a modern continent. Ever,

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<v Speaker 1>what do you think happens when the Rhodesian Econo enemy

0:25:00.400 --> 0:25:05.400
<v Speaker 1>starts booming? The word goes out. The word goes out

0:25:05.560 --> 0:25:08.960
<v Speaker 1>to all the other countries around there who may be struggling.

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<v Speaker 1>There's always a famine, always a war, always a plague.

0:25:12.560 --> 0:25:18.080
<v Speaker 1>And more Africans start pouring into Rhodesia looking for work,

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<v Speaker 1>looking for an opportunity, and they find them. But as

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<v Speaker 1>usually happens, the war doesn't last forever. And after the

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<v Speaker 1>war is over, let's say, let's say it's the year

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen forty one in your Rhodesia, just for the sake

0:25:37.119 --> 0:25:41.600
<v Speaker 1>of argument, and your economy starts booming. Everyone knows it.

0:25:41.640 --> 0:25:44.600
<v Speaker 1>Everyone in Africa knows it. And so let's just say

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<v Speaker 1>you get a million, two million Africans from other countries

0:25:48.359 --> 0:25:51.200
<v Speaker 1>coming in to take advantage of the opportunity to feed

0:25:51.240 --> 0:25:54.240
<v Speaker 1>their families, clothed themselves, you know, all those things. But

0:25:54.400 --> 0:26:00.679
<v Speaker 1>then nineteen forty five rolls around in biop war over. Well,

0:26:01.920 --> 0:26:05.000
<v Speaker 1>there's still a market obviously for crops and chrome and

0:26:05.000 --> 0:26:08.320
<v Speaker 1>the other things they mind, but not near the market

0:26:08.359 --> 0:26:12.280
<v Speaker 1>it once was. Well, now all those people have already

0:26:12.320 --> 0:26:18.639
<v Speaker 1>come in, Now they've already brought jobs in. Now there's

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<v Speaker 1>not as much economic opportunity to go around, yet the

0:26:22.560 --> 0:26:27.840
<v Speaker 1>people are still there. This creates a situation that from

0:26:27.840 --> 0:26:32.880
<v Speaker 1>the outside looking in, looks terrible. The situation being this,

0:26:34.119 --> 0:26:41.040
<v Speaker 1>you have these extremely wealthy, modern looking, mostly white, although

0:26:41.040 --> 0:26:44.640
<v Speaker 1>there were plenty of black people. There are extremely modern,

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<v Speaker 1>wealthy looking towns that would have looked like any town

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<v Speaker 1>in America, any city in Europe popping up. Only on

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<v Speaker 1>the outskirts there are extremely run down, poor, all black

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<v Speaker 1>shanty towns that start popping up. The reason this is

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<v Speaker 1>so disastrous is post World War Two. There was a

0:27:10.960 --> 0:27:14.200
<v Speaker 1>thing that was happening globally. It wasn't just to Britain.

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<v Speaker 1>After World War Two, countries that had empires overseas started

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<v Speaker 1>to give them up. Sometimes they fought hard for them,

0:27:26.119 --> 0:27:28.879
<v Speaker 1>you know, this was the French in Vietnam. Whe they

0:27:28.880 --> 0:27:31.680
<v Speaker 1>eventually lost that, but they fought hard trying to keep it.

0:27:32.359 --> 0:27:35.560
<v Speaker 1>Some countries just flat out walked away from it. But

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<v Speaker 1>no matter what, there is a macro movement happening on

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<v Speaker 1>planet Earth post World War two. And that movement was, Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>you super powerful empires with a colony here and a

0:27:51.400 --> 0:27:54.199
<v Speaker 1>colony there in Britain's in India, and the French are

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<v Speaker 1>in Vietnam and everyone's in Africa. Hey, you know what,

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<v Speaker 1>no more, no more, It's time to walk away from

0:28:03.600 --> 0:28:07.520
<v Speaker 1>your overseas empire. And I'm going to put this in

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<v Speaker 1>quotes because I don't necessarily believe in this, but the

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<v Speaker 1>quote decolonization movement has begun. Now, well, how do you

0:28:19.400 --> 0:28:22.800
<v Speaker 1>think Rhodesia looks to the rest of the world when

0:28:22.840 --> 0:28:27.240
<v Speaker 1>everyone else is giving up their overseas territories And now

0:28:27.280 --> 0:28:32.960
<v Speaker 1>you look at this insanely wealthy prosperous African country. These

0:28:33.000 --> 0:28:37.560
<v Speaker 1>other African countries, for the most part, they're sucking it up.

0:28:38.080 --> 0:28:43.280
<v Speaker 1>They're doing terribly well. Rhodesia, certainly the Rhodesians are the

0:28:43.320 --> 0:28:49.000
<v Speaker 1>Europeans in Rhodesia. Rhodesia they're thriving, and the African peoples

0:28:49.080 --> 0:28:53.200
<v Speaker 1>in Rhodesia they're on reservations, just like our Indian reservations.

0:28:53.240 --> 0:28:56.640
<v Speaker 1>They're on reservations where the Europeans put them, or they're

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<v Speaker 1>in shanty towns. And there's another part of it that

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<v Speaker 1>just looked bad. And this is actually how we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to open our show tomorrow. So let me ask a question.

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<v Speaker 1>Who should get to vote in any society? Who deserves

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<v Speaker 1>to say in the government of any society? I think

0:29:25.120 --> 0:29:30.200
<v Speaker 1>you would probably agree with me. That shouldn't be everybody, right,

0:29:30.800 --> 0:29:32.680
<v Speaker 1>you don't want twelve year olds to vote. Of course,

0:29:33.440 --> 0:29:37.400
<v Speaker 1>if there's some serial killer getting ready to be executed tomorrow,

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<v Speaker 1>do you want his vote cancel out? He's canceling out

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<v Speaker 1>your vote for president tomorrow? No, okay? So will at

0:29:42.800 --> 0:29:48.280
<v Speaker 1>least agree on that it shouldn't be everybody? Okay? So

0:29:48.360 --> 0:29:56.440
<v Speaker 1>that means there should be limits? What limits? How do

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<v Speaker 1>you form a nation, a good if that's what you

0:30:00.920 --> 0:30:04.800
<v Speaker 1>want to be, A good, prosperous country, a country considered

0:30:04.840 --> 0:30:10.800
<v Speaker 1>to be free, while also putting limits on who has

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<v Speaker 1>a say in the government. In Rhodesia, the Africans did

0:30:17.280 --> 0:30:22.040
<v Speaker 1>not have a say in the government. No say, none,

0:30:23.200 --> 0:30:26.680
<v Speaker 1>and that's about to be a problem. We'll have to

0:30:26.720 --> 0:30:30.680
<v Speaker 1>continue that tomorrow. Before we do that, let's do some

0:30:30.720 --> 0:30:34.200
<v Speaker 1>more politics, shall we. Let's talk about some AI impeachments,

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<v Speaker 1>influence operations, emails more Next