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Speaker 1: You got Sid Racks and rust Kindle between the twin Towers,

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Speaker 1: Why would he not have more faith in his own

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Speaker 1: The US didn't play well, and Venezuela did. Venezuela won

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Speaker 1: Just turning in, Sidney Crosby returning tonight for the Penguins

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Speaker 1: Besides the obvious, I think the team's gonna look into mirror.

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Speaker 4: I mean, everybody else kept pushing right behind them. They're

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Speaker 4: Even slightly better than that could easily happened, no question.

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Speaker 1: Mission accomplished there. And yeah, but you know it's weird, Tom,

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Speaker 1: The important thing is to get in at the point

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Speaker 2: He is so OCD. I mean, he won't play unless

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Speaker 1: That's why he stays in the lineup once he gets

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Speaker 1: they I don't want to say that they've been lacking.

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Speaker 1: My god, they scored seven goals in Denver, but you

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Speaker 1: As great as it is, it just has a tendency

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Speaker 1: to move. And I think Soderblom, I mean, he's played

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Speaker 1: pretty well since becoming a Penguin. It's got a goal

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Speaker 2: Him being six', Eight, TOM i prefer to put back

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Speaker 4: Will, YEAH i think that The penguins in this current,

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Speaker 4: iteration Obviously Sun. Lazote in the playoff, series they can

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Speaker 4: do some. Damage that's that's a legitimate, team not elite

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Speaker 4: like you, said they're not there, yet but it's a

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Speaker 1: Team this here Is elmer and he's six foot, eight

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Speaker 1: and you can't teach.

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Speaker 2: That Uh skinner's and goal.

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Speaker 1: Tonight it's a bit early to ask, This, Tom but

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Speaker 1: if they get to the, playoff do you Think mules

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Speaker 1: will stick with a rotation or pick one Of skinner

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Speaker 4: Them since he's a first time head, Coach i'd like

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Speaker 4: Rotation BUT i think he'll he'll pick a starter and

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Speaker 4: zero in the, series he'll make a. Switch BUT i

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Speaker 4: Think dubas will want. THAT i think the players will

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Speaker 1: Starter, yeah and he will pull that trigger if you

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Speaker 4: Lost let's just say hypothetically he's the one he goes.

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Speaker 4: With is a bit shaky kind of. Jolt the boys

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Speaker 4: go To, skinner they'll be willing to hit that switch

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Speaker 2: Not now see okay, Me i'd stick with the.

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Speaker 1: ROTATION i would go against the, yeah because it's something

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Speaker 1: that's worked all. Year now that, said if one guy

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Speaker 1: that in the middle of a, series no.

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Speaker 2: Problem BUT i would tend to go With.

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Speaker 1: Skinner skinner did Get edmonton to the last Two Stanley cup,

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Speaker 1: finals didn't win either of. Them But shilloff's big accomplishments

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Speaker 1: that was in The World championships one, year and he

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Speaker 1: won THE Ahl championship last season With. ABBOTSFORD i know

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Speaker 1: that Because peter maguire knew AND i remember what he.

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Speaker 1: Said pierre knows. Everything but And shellofs won a playoff

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Speaker 1: series With vancouver when When dempko was hurt like he always.

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Speaker 1: Is but my, instinct IF i had to pick, one

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Speaker 2: Skinner if it's like neck and neck as far as

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Speaker 4: Concerned once we get through Mid april and we start

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Speaker 4: to get to the playoff, series then, YEAH i think

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Speaker 4: that's an obvious.

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Speaker 2: Tiebreaker you go With skinner because of the experience.

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Speaker 4: There but if she losts his red hot down the

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Speaker 4: stretch and he's just been playing. OUTSTANDING i think you

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Speaker 4: just go with whoever's the hottest between the two of.

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Speaker 1: Them, see nobody's ever ever been able to verbalize why

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Speaker 1: you pick a. Guy, okay WHEN ej played for The,

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Speaker 1: bruins him And cheevers would would rotate in the player the.

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Speaker 1: Playoffs but if you if you, won you stayed. In

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Speaker 1: it was kind of a skewed. Rotation if you, lost

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Speaker 2: OUT i don't hate. That it got him Two cups

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Speaker 2: in three.

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Speaker 4: YEARS i don't hate that if they wanted to take that,

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Speaker 4: approach you pick one to Start, Skinner, oh you up

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Speaker 4: two zero in the, Series, okay you get game three

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Speaker 4: and then che can you lose your?

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Speaker 1: Out cheezy played most of the games in the nineteen

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Speaker 1: Seventy cup run when you know or scored the winning

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Speaker 4: Two if you, have you, know a good tandem as

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Speaker 4: far as a psyche is. Concerned between those two, guys

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Speaker 4: they're good teammates with each other where they don't expect

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Speaker 4: to be the guy in the. Net that could be

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Speaker 4: a healthy competition that you kind of breed there too

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Speaker 1: Playoffs my point, BEING i don't think you'd do something

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Speaker 1: just because it's as is. Tradition if it's worked for

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Speaker 1: you for eighty two, GAMES i don't see why you

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Speaker 1: wouldn't think it would work in a playoff series as

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Speaker 1: long As jari's not one of the. Goalies tom who

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Speaker 1: is The penguin's number one unsung, hero and maybe that

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Speaker 1: ties in With Biggest, Surprise who would you say fits

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Speaker 1: that description unsung?

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Speaker 4: HERO i know he was a late, ad BUT i

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Speaker 4: mean if they didn't Get, chinnikov and If chinnikov didn't

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Speaker 4: play to the level that he's playing, AT i don't

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Speaker 4: know if they do go, five three and three in that, stretch.

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Speaker 2: BUT i think he's a bit.

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Speaker 1: Sung that's a good, Point, like like my choice is

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Speaker 1: kind of fun on the map so. Much, Yeah i'd

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Speaker 1: Say shay Or watherspoon the two. Defense shay's plus twenty

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Speaker 1: Five waterstuon's plus. Twelve shay's played all over the, lineup you,

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Speaker 1: know both, sides And waterspoon's Anchored, carlson AND i, THINK

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Speaker 1: i mean carl has just turned it around and played

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Speaker 1: to his pedigree after two bad years In, pittsburgh But

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Speaker 1: waterspoon's given him that anchor over there on the other.

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Speaker 2: Side, yeah that's a great.

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Speaker 4: Call watherspoon might be at the very top of the

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Speaker 4: list just because what he's been able to do With

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Speaker 4: carlson and playing at such a good pairing with him

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Speaker 4: and even the guys at the bottom, pair you, know

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Speaker 4: When clifton has to step into the, LINEUP i think

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Speaker 4: he's done a lot of good things for the.

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Speaker 2: TEAM i. LIKE i like that he stepped up and

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Speaker 2: knew just one to fight At.

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Speaker 1: Denver ALTHOUGH i with my bottom pair of, DEFENSE i

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Speaker 1: move guys in and out BECAUSE i don't want anybody

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Speaker 1: to be too stale in case an injury.

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Speaker 4: Dictates and you know, what as they move guys in

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Speaker 4: and out when they have, to everybody seems to play really.

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Speaker 4: WELL i mean there's a lot of unsung aspects of

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Speaker 1: General IF i had the credit Either share Or waterspoon,

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Speaker 1: More i'd go With watherspoon Because waterspoon hits every once

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Speaker 1: in a. While he just crunches. Somebody and that's not

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Speaker 1: to Say shay is a Shrinking. VIOLET i mean it's

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Speaker 1: like He's Phil kessel out there and plays men's men's,

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Speaker 1: league no, check but waterspoon will rocks somebody once in a.

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Speaker 2: While AND i think that This.

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Speaker 1: Penguins team isn't overly, physical but it keeps the other

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Speaker 1: team more honest than Recent penguin teams.

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Speaker 4: Have, yeah it has more of an, edge no question about.

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Speaker 4: It and that goes back to what we just said

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Speaker 4: about The clifton. Thing fighting at the right. Time they

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Speaker 4: just have the saying that you need that's required in THE.

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Speaker 4: Nhl i'm not saying that you have to be a

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Speaker 4: bunch of meat heads out there that fight at every single,

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Speaker 4: instance but you have to have, backbone and they just

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Speaker 4: had it for the past three years Under Mike.

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Speaker 2: Sullivan you know WHAT i love About watherspoon's.

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Speaker 1: Hits they are so clean and, crisp shoulder like text

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Speaker 1: Too i'm told That rogers isn't playing games or craving,

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Speaker 1: attention That rogers is legitimately not sure if his body

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Speaker 2: Two LIKE i, said that is from A steelers.

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Speaker 1: Insider you, KNOW i go back and forth between Hating

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Speaker 1: used to work for The, Steelers rogers saw the, meteorites

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Speaker 1: and that means six more weeks of thought and.

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Speaker 1: Football tom does it surprise you to learn that That

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Speaker 1: rogers isn't delaying his decision by way of craving?

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Speaker 2: Hype do you believe?

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Speaker 4: THAT i don't know IF i one hundred percent believe,

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Speaker 4: on get up every. Day they could just throw him

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Speaker 1: Rogers it's not to be. Fair he did stop doing

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Speaker 2: Show although he did he just hit it.

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Speaker 1: always point, out he's a guy who says that once

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00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:33,040
Speaker 1: he's done with football will. Disappear, now, yeah he commissioned

434
00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:36,159
Speaker 1: a documentary on. Himself but let's say the incenter is

435
00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:38,679
Speaker 1: correct And rogers still doesn't know.

436
00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:41,879
Speaker 2: You every insider is always, correct don't you know?

437
00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:42,080
Speaker 1: That?

438
00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:46,399
Speaker 4: Yeah of, Course so Since rogers is still, DOUBTFUL i

439
00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:48,439
Speaker 4: mean he could burn The steelers still right like that

440
00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:50,560
Speaker 4: enters into the equation that what if he just wakes

441
00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:52,080
Speaker 4: up in the middle Of may and he's, Like i'm,

442
00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:52,719
Speaker 4: DONE i can't do.

443
00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:53,560
Speaker 2: It that could.

444
00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:55,800
Speaker 1: Happen in, fact the longer we, wait it wouldn't surprise

445
00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:57,920
Speaker 1: me if it. Did but that wouldn't be burning The.

446
00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:00,800
Speaker 1: Steelers The steelers can walk away any time they. Want

447
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,520
Speaker 1: The steelers could have Got Kyler, murray they could have

448
00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:06,280
Speaker 1: Signed Malik. Willis they can walk away anytime they want

449
00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:07,040
Speaker 1: and don't.

450
00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:08,879
Speaker 4: Well that it would be burning them now, though because

451
00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:12,040
Speaker 4: there's no option they're in The Joe, flaco The cousins.

452
00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:12,920
Speaker 2: Camp they would have burned.

453
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:16,160
Speaker 4: Themselves, okay frame it that, Way, yeah but that's still

454
00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:18,600
Speaker 4: an option that they could be left out in the

455
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:20,879
Speaker 4: cold and you got to go to The, Cousins's you

456
00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:22,720
Speaker 4: got to go to The. Flacco's you got to go

457
00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:24,800
Speaker 4: to that, route or you just pivot To Will, howard

458
00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:26,399
Speaker 4: WHICH i don't think that they want to. Do so

459
00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:29,760
Speaker 4: if that is, correct it'll be interesting to, see you,

460
00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:33,399
Speaker 4: know when it's gonna be through the optional portion of

461
00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:36,040
Speaker 4: the offseason. AGAIN i bet the timetable is almost exactly

462
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:38,920
Speaker 4: the same as last. Year Once Mandatory Mini camperal's, around

463
00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:39,680
Speaker 4: we get our decision.

464
00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:42,439
Speaker 1: Now my insider also told me The steelers legitimately do

465
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:46,160
Speaker 1: Like Will, howard but they see. Flaws and one reason

466
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:49,800
Speaker 1: they're Hoping rogers comes back is Because rogers was Helping

467
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:52,639
Speaker 1: howard make progress on his, footwork which they feel is,

468
00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:55,719
Speaker 1: inferior and then Like rogers to continue to do that,

469
00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:59,119
Speaker 1: now whether or not that means they See howard as

470
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:02,200
Speaker 1: a potential long term, guy you, know as a starter

471
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 1: THAT i do not. Know tom uh The wattle deal

472
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:10,240
Speaker 1: versus The pittman. Deal, Uh denver Getting wattle and giving

473
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:12,400
Speaker 1: up a, lot The steelers Getting pittman and not giving

474
00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:12,720
Speaker 1: up as.

475
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:14,439
Speaker 2: Much that's being hotly.

476
00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:18,679
Speaker 1: Debated i'd rather Have, wattle, Obviously but the subtext is

477
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:23,639
Speaker 1: why would fans want the better deal over the better?

478
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,440
Speaker 1: PLAYER i keep, Seeing, oh the con, artist he gave

479
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:27,560
Speaker 1: up barely nothing For.

480
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:29,520
Speaker 2: Pittman, okay but But denver Got.

481
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:32,160
Speaker 4: Wattle you need to give up stuff to get good.

482
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:35,359
Speaker 4: PLAYERS i don't understand that mindset, either that Like denver

483
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 4: is a bad franchise because they gave up the first

484
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:40,000
Speaker 4: and the third to Get Jalen. Wattle In denver is

485
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:41,840
Speaker 4: going for a Super bowl right. Now they have their

486
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:44,840
Speaker 4: franchise quarterback in the. Fold it's time to be. Aggressive

487
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:46,600
Speaker 4: you you should appreciate.

488
00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:49,159
Speaker 1: That got the franchise quarterback on his rookie contract.

489
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:53,320
Speaker 2: Too you, can you can. Spend that's what you should

490
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:54,320
Speaker 2: want as a fan.

491
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,080
Speaker 4: Base you shouldn't want a team once they're at the

492
00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:59,600
Speaker 4: point That denver's at to just hoard draft picks still

493
00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:01,359
Speaker 4: and kind of keep an eye on the. Future no

494
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:04,480
Speaker 4: time is. Now the time to put that accelerator to

495
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 4: the floor is. Now and that's exactly What denver. Did

496
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,119
Speaker 4: they should be applauded around the league for taking a

497
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:09,600
Speaker 4: swing like.

498
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:12,560
Speaker 1: This, no, No AND i think most places that, aren't you,

499
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 1: know stupid like, here the fan base probably are a

500
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,480
Speaker 1: Plotting and and, Yeah denver could win, now but don't

501
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:21,160
Speaker 1: The steelers think that could win? Now that's very true,

502
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 1: too you, Know and if they think they can. Win,

503
00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:24,840
Speaker 1: NOW i, MEAN i Like. PITTMAN i think that's a

504
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:26,399
Speaker 1: good guy to, Get but they still don't have a

505
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 1: number one.

506
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 4: Receiver, No And Jalen wattle is closer to. That And

507
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:34,080
Speaker 4: Jalen wattle is younger Than Michael. Pittman so you give

508
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:35,960
Speaker 4: up what they gave up to get A Jalen wattle one,

509
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 4: here even though you're probably not in the position as

510
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:40,119
Speaker 4: a team to do. That you present, yourself as you just,

511
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 4: said as a team that's ready to. Win, Now wattle's

512
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:46,199
Speaker 4: there for this, year next, year the year after that

513
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 4: as potentially that number one.

514
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:50,080
Speaker 1: Receiver now here's a. Disclaimer is he a true number?

515
00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:50,920
Speaker 1: One probably?

516
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:51,040
Speaker 3: Not?

517
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:53,520
Speaker 2: Yet is he better THAN? Dk? YES i would rather

518
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:54,160
Speaker 2: have him The Dk.

519
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:57,280
Speaker 1: Metcalf i'd rather have anybody who went slap a fan

520
00:25:57,359 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 1: In detroit instead OF Dk.

521
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 2: Metcalf and here's.

522
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:04,960
Speaker 1: SOMEBODY a bunch of people like always were burying me

523
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:08,440
Speaker 1: On twitter talking about how The steelers have a better

524
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 1: football decision makers and they. Don't and their evidence, was,

525
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:17,920
Speaker 1: Well denver had That schmas where they Got Russell, wilson

526
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 1: had to pay him, anyway gave up too much to get.

527
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:23,480
Speaker 1: Him blah, blah blah, Okay but every football organization makes

528
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 1: the occasional bad. Decision So denver screwed up With, wilson

529
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 1: danced their way out of, it Got. Bonnicks they're a

530
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 1: much better team than The steelers' art right. Now whereas

531
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 1: The steelers Signed watt for too, long for too much

532
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:41,000
Speaker 1: as he, fades they Drafted Kenny, pickett they traded a

533
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,399
Speaker 1: first round pick For minka when they could have Drafted

534
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 1: Justin herbert that year. INSTEAD i, MEAN i wrote that.

535
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:49,119
Speaker 1: Column it should be a bible For steeler. Fans tom

536
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 1: that COLUMN i wrote in The trip about three weeks

537
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 1: ago that talked about the sixth egregious mistakes The steelers

538
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:58,200
Speaker 1: have made since twenty nineteen that have cost the franchise.

539
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:02,960
Speaker 1: Dearly and you, KNOW i Know denver hasn't made that many.

540
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:06,120
Speaker 1: Mistakes AND i know That i'd rather Have Jaylen waddle Than.

541
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 4: Pittman and The steelers fans that are, citing you, know

542
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 4: The Russell wilson tobacco With denver and being, like look

543
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,439
Speaker 4: and how bad they are, said, yeah but that was

544
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,119
Speaker 4: Not Sean payton in his. Regime you, Know Sean payton

545
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 4: came in and Inherited Russell, wilson and he started laying

546
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 4: the groundwork to get out of. Him remember he benched

547
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:22,679
Speaker 4: him at the end of the year and was just,

548
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:25,440
Speaker 4: like screw this. Guy and you know what Made Jim

549
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,160
Speaker 4: ruttherferd the great general. Manager jim made plenty.

550
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 1: Of, mistakes he fixed them get out of, it oh,

551
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 1: Okay whereas Like Ron hextall just kept Signing Jeff, Carter.

552
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 2: Kyle, dubis big.

553
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 4: Mistake Tristan jari just fixed it this year in an immaculate,

554
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 4: way probably the best thing he's done in a lot

555
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 4: of great moves this.

556
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 2: Year but like that was a.

557
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,440
Speaker 4: Different regime and then this new regime With Sean payton

558
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 4: comes in and they immediately fixed that. Mistake And denver

559
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,120
Speaker 4: has been making nothing but great football decisions ever since,

560
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 4: then ever since twenty twenty three.

561
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:52,120
Speaker 2: Or first ron picks over.

562
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 1: Rated if you can get a proven, commodity is it

563
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:57,919
Speaker 1: worth trading a first round Pick more often than. Not

564
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 1: and by way of, evidence Tray wingo tweeted the twenty

565
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:04,920
Speaker 1: of the thirty two first round picks in the twenty

566
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 1: twenty one, draft which is relatively, recent are no longer

567
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 1: with the team that drafted. Them over half of those

568
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:13,159
Speaker 1: picks are not any longer with the team that drafted.

569
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 4: THEM i, mean it's hard to argue against numbers like,

570
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:17,679
Speaker 4: that BUT i still think that first round picks are

571
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 4: properly valued because you can still just get an absolute beast,

572
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 4: there especially if you're a team picking in the top,

573
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 4: fifteen top. Ten maybe if you're in that like mid twenty,

574
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 4: range you should be more willing to give up first

575
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 4: round picks because then, again you're winning football, games so

576
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 4: you're in a.

577
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 2: More position to.

578
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 1: Burn never Forgiven miami that first round pick and in

579
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 1: the first, round isn't that damage to.

580
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 2: Twenty Eight it's like a good second round pick pretty? Much, yeah.

581
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 4: Exactly SO i still think at the top of that,

582
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 4: draft you first round picks are probably the most valuable

583
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:46,479
Speaker 4: thing you can have in team. Building you get that

584
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 4: young stud on that rookie, deal especially at the quarterback,

585
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 4: position if you need that as a. Franchise but you

586
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 4: should be willing to burn them if you're a team

587
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 4: In denver's, position and not be criticized by people In

588
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 4: pittsburgh who haven't been in that position for ten plus

589
00:28:59,120 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 4: years for doing.

590
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 1: So, tom what do you make of The Connor griffin Thing,

591
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 1: parata who you, know is an excellent baseball reporter and

592
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 1: not a fan like so MANY buco reporters. Are he,

593
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 1: says to his, knowledge The pirates And griffin are not

594
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 1: talking about a long term, extension which doesn't surprise me

595
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 1: BECAUSE i don't know why The pirates would suddenly pay

596
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 1: out all. THAT i don't know Why griffin would want

597
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 1: to compromise his future when you know he should be more.

598
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 1: Ambitious but that idea that it might happen is. Everywhere

599
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 1: there is no evidence that might, happen but it's.

600
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 4: Everywhere, yeah it doesn't track from both. Sides Connor griffin

601
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 4: will definitely want to at least see what he can

602
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 4: get when he gets towards that, arbitration and he wouldn't

603
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 4: want to lock himself into something too. Much And nutting

604
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 4: wouldn't cut a check of that much guaranteed money right.

605
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 4: Now it just it would be a. Total as you

606
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 4: said in about face to, That my thing with this

607
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 4: is why are we inventing this topic With Connor. Griffin

608
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 4: Conor griffin is a topic in his own, right whether

609
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 4: he makes the roster or, not.

610
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 2: Right whether he starts it.

611
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 1: Open, okay but you, Know, TOM i complain about the

612
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 1: where our business has gone too much is probably you,

613
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 1: know bores people and hurt me in terms of keeping.

614
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 1: Listeners but but that's what it's about. Now it's about

615
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 1: telling lies for the sake of. Engagement AND i Just

616
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 1: i'll never come around to. That AND i AND i,

617
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 1: think you, SEE i think The poirates gonna be. BETTER

618
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 1: i don't think as better as people think or want

619
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 1: them to. BE i, mean seventy seven wins is, better

620
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 1: and five hundred wouldn't shock.

621
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 2: Me BUT i think that's the.

622
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 4: Ceiling, yeah they just have to have everything go. RIGHT i,

623
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 4: mean it just has to all fall for, them every single.

624
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 2: THING i, mean the.

625
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 1: Bottom third of their lineup stinks unless they Keep. Griffin

626
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 1: and even With, griffin you, know you don't, know it's

627
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 1: a year. Old and here's the big THING i keep

628
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 1: coming back. To four of their six legitimate hitters are

629
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 1: left handed.

630
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 2: And can't hit.

631
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 1: Lefties, Yeah Brandon lao hit two seventy excuse, me two

632
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 1: seventeen lifetime against lefties and he is the best among

633
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 1: the four left handed, hitters which Is, cruz, O'Herne horwitz And.

634
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 1: Lao so what teams are gonna do is never mind

635
00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 1: if they have a good, lefty you, know when you

636
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 1: got to do the bullpen day or you, know the

637
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 1: fifth starter you know goes in and out of the.

638
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 1: Rotation they'll always tick their bummy lefty and put him

639
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 1: in there because it looked Like sandy Friggin kofax on the.

640
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 4: Day, yeah and their, lineup or excuse, me their pitching

641
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 4: staff's gonna have deficiencies against lefty heavy, lineups lineups that

642
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 4: can come in with some big hitters at the left

643
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 4: side of the, plate which is bad AT Pnc. Park

644
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 4: you don't have anybody that can flip that around that

645
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 4: is a lefty in your.

646
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:20,959
Speaker 2: Rotation it's.

647
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 1: ALRIGHT i said that to a friend of mine who's

648
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 1: a big bucko, booster like the KIND i, hate and he, said, oh,

649
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Speaker 1: well teams won't do. That they'll just stick with their.

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Speaker 1: ROTATION i, go, yeah because teams don't have access to those.

651
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 1: Stats you, know they don't have any any video Of

652
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 1: cruise looking like a broken fence skate swinging against.

653
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Speaker 2: Lefties they won't figure that.

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00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 4: OUT i also worry that they're just gonna be incredibly

655
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 4: deficient in the field this, year especially in that. OUTFIELD i,

656
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 4: mean you've got, O'Hearn who's a better first baseman by all,

657
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 4: accounts now making that switch out to play in right.

658
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 4: Field reynolds is gonna play left. Field he should probably

659
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 4: be a right fielder if. Anything and we all know About.

660
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 4: CRUISE i don't need to Explain cruise at center. Field

661
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,479
Speaker 4: that's gonna be. Terrible And low's not that good a defense.

662
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 4: Either like he's probably gonna have to be a defensive

663
00:31:58,280 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 4: replacement For gonzales late in the.

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Speaker 1: Game you know what is gonna. Make AND i Think

665
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 1: griffin is going to start this season INTO i hope he's.

666
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 1: In he's gonna start at some. Boys the other thing

667
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 1: two Is gonzalez is going to be the, shortstop and

668
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 1: he's a really bad.

669
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 4: SHORTSTOP i Think griffin is by far their best defensive

670
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 4: option at, shortstop just if you're looking at it purely

671
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 4: from the glove, aspect and then he might be their

672
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 4: best option at to play it.

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00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 2: Anyway. OH i Saw Bill hilgrove last.

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00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 1: Night he had a charity thing out AT DJs In,

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00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 1: murraysville great spot right on twenty, two and he showed

676
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Speaker 1: me a great. PICTURE i think he texted me this,

677
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 1: before but he had a picture from a few years

678
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 1: ago from the. Back they're all wearing their powerate. Uniforms,

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Speaker 1: Mazarowski Dick, groat.

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Speaker 2: And GOD i forget the other. One NOW i feel

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Speaker 2: terrible THAT i forgot a couple of years. Ago, yeah

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Speaker 2: who would it? Be was It? Parker no? One? Parker,

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Speaker 2: Oh elroy? Face the relief pitch just passed? Away? Wow

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Speaker 2: was that a great iconic?

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Speaker 1: Picture, Yeah, Nas Elroy, Face dick gro just just met all?

686
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Speaker 1: Three uh miss all? Three impressed by all three and

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Speaker 1: not just as baseball players. Either one oh five Nine THE.

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Speaker 1: X It's The Woodie show weekday mornings at six on

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Speaker 1: one oh five nine.

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Speaker 2: D x from the one oh five nine the Ex Weather.

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Speaker 2: Center the Mark Man show on ONE o five nine D.

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Speaker 1: X first dollar brought to us By Shanderovid shandrovich And Fisherman.

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Speaker 2: Tom what do we got for the?

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Speaker 4: Trifecta With Sidney crosby returning for The penguins? Tonight marky

695
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 4: helps The penguins in pretty much every area, Imaginable but

696
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 4: for today's, TRIFFECTA i have three very specific areas That

697
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 4: Sidney crosby needs to help The penguins in and WILL.

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00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 2: I BET i know one of.

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00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 4: Them Number, three the power, play it hasn't been terrible

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00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 4: With Sidney crosby being. Out it's ten for forty, four

701
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 4: so twenty two percent. Clip that'd be like around eleventh

702
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 4: in the. League but it's definitely dipped from what it's

703
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 4: been with sit in it so And gino missed part of,

704
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 4: that absolutely. True so a needed jolt there on the

705
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 4: power play and spe teams has just been such an

706
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 4: identity for The penguins this. Year number two for me

707
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 4: is we're Getting Ricardo quel back to the. WING i,

708
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:09,320
Speaker 4: mean all credit for him for trying through this eleven

709
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 4: game stretch at, center.

710
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 2: But he's just not a.

711
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 4: Center and he got a bit, better a bit. Better three,

712
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 4: goals five assists without sid For. Kelames, Okay i'm not. Terrible,

713
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 4: no it's not.

714
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:18,879
Speaker 2: Some power play work there.

715
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:21,239
Speaker 1: TOO i gonna say that he's done, Alright, yeah but

716
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 1: still he's a wing and getting racks going down the

717
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 1: stretch is a big. Deal Like, sidney he needs to get,

718
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 1: hot he needs like a four game goal streak or something.

719
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:31,280
Speaker 1: Crazy ras has had a great. Season he has not

720
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:33,959
Speaker 1: not not, bad but not. Great but the number ONE

721
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:35,919
Speaker 1: i bet this is what you're gonna. Guess it's face.

722
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:39,879
Speaker 4: Off, absolutely that's especially not With, lozado, Right but they're

723
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 4: at forty eight point six percent on the, season that's

724
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:43,840
Speaker 4: twenty third in the. League sid's at a fifty five percent.

725
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 4: Clip he's won the sixth most overall face offs in THE.

726
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 4: Nhl and you could put him out there for all

727
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 4: the big.

728
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 1: DEFENSE i, mean that's that's a bit of a of

729
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:55,279
Speaker 1: a dicey, game what with him having missed time And

730
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:57,359
Speaker 1: i'll have to kind of play his way back into

731
00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 1: game shape a little bit. Anyway but but, yeah those

732
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 1: are all three things in the faceoff. Thing, yes especially

733
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 1: With blazade, out we can underestimate that Where sid won't

734
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 1: help though his face offs on THE, pk Which lizotte

735
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 1: took a lot.

736
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 2: Of that's very.

737
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 4: True just remember, too when the four on three that

738
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 4: they had in THE OT i forget exactly what game it.

739
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 2: Was they ended up losing the game obviously in the,

740
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 2: shootout but.

741
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:23,280
Speaker 4: They didn't score on the four on three overtime and

742
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:25,799
Speaker 4: A CHARI i think had to take the draws and

743
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:27,879
Speaker 4: then jump right off the ice For raquel to jump

744
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 4: on the ice because they just they were Without gino as,

745
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 4: WELL theyd know one that could do. It so just

746
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 4: not having to do that kind of minutia stuff and

747
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 4: manufacture someone out there for just the specific draw and

748
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 4: it's Just sid what you puts it out there. For

749
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 4: SOME pk, draws some weighty won they're just gonna would you, though, yes,

750
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:43,359
Speaker 4: yeah in.

751
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 1: The third period for, sure you have. TO i would

752
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 1: Have sid killed the occasional penalty even if it's, not you,

753
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 1: know the third. Period you, know it was thought to

754
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 1: be one of the best penalty killers at The World

755
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:56,320
Speaker 1: championships when he was eighteen or Nineteen gino oh, yeah

756
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 1: and they never let him do. It for The, Penguins

757
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 1: we've all he's had coaches who don't believe the stars

758
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 1: should kill. PENALTIES i remember When mario scored thirteen short

759
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 1: handed goals in that one hundred and ninety nine point

760
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:10,439
Speaker 1: season nineteen eighty eight eighty.

761
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:11,799
Speaker 2: Nine that's a record will never be.

762
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 4: Broken the element of DANGER i think is so, good

763
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:15,879
Speaker 4: the offensive counter that you can have with a guy

764
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 4: like that and quldn't you say That carlson GETTING pk

765
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 4: time has really helped unlock him this year as, well

766
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,279
Speaker 4: like giving him that. Duty that's a superstar play in YOUR.

767
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 4: Pk but he's a. Defenseman it's.

768
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:26,879
Speaker 1: Different Paul coffee would talk about how they would kill

769
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:28,399
Speaker 1: penalties in eighty eight eighty.

770
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 2: Nine he said that if.

771
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:31,840
Speaker 1: You've got time on the, puck and this Was kauf's,

772
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 1: idea if you got time on the puck on THE

773
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 1: pk in your own, end fire a slap shot at

774
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:42,319
Speaker 1: the other team's point man shin pads And mario would

775
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 1: try to read the karum and just be. Gone And

776
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:48,759
Speaker 1: coff said too that When mario was out there in A,

777
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 1: pk it mentally negated the other team's power.

778
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 2: Plays, right they were just.

779
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 1: Terrified said would bring an element of that to the,

780
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 1: table no, question a lot like, that but it would

781
00:36:59,000 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 1: be an element of.

782
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 2: It they'd have to worry about.

783
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 1: It. Yeah sid would be out there like with the

784
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:05,360
Speaker 1: with the with a magnum three point fifty seven and

785
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:07,400
Speaker 1: that's pretty. Powerful mario was out there with like a

786
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 1: tiger tank with nuclear, capabilities AND.

787
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 2: I just have no. Doubt just he'd be so perfect

788
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 2: technically sound wise as far as THE pk is. Concerns

789
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 2: so with the, reach he just doesn't know.

790
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 4: Too But sid would just do it so, perfectly like

791
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 4: everything he does he does. Excellently but you're, right they

792
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 4: just don't want they don't do.

793
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:25,920
Speaker 1: That there was a debate On, Twitter, TOM i have

794
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 1: always thought That mary that excuse, Me sid could not

795
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:31,399
Speaker 1: climb higher than fourth in the.

796
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 2: All time player.

797
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 1: Rankings not in my mind could he pass up lem,

798
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 1: You gretzky Or Bobby?

799
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 2: Orr and has he done so to this? Point in your, mind.

800
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 4: He hasn't done so to this. Point but what if

801
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 4: he gets two thousand points and since we're getting crazy

802
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 4: Another Stanley cup and he has Four Stanley, cups that's

803
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 4: really tough to say that that resume doesn't deserve to

804
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 4: at least be debated amongst those.

805
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 1: Three, well here's HOW i look at all them. Guys

806
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 1: all them guys had something unique about. Them mario was

807
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 1: the best, score the best pure finishing. Ability gretz had

808
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 1: the best vision. Ever bobbyr was the best defenseman. Ever

809
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 1: sin is the best grinder.

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00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 2: Ever, yeah but he hates, that, right he really does

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Speaker 2: one oh five nine THE X It's travis