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Speaker 1: o'clock Central daylight time, we welcome you back to a

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Speaker 1: Monday edition of the Bumper to Bumper program. On a

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Speaker 1: decidedly chilly Monday afternoon. For what are we in early

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Speaker 1: April yet? April April six here in the twin cities

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Speaker 2: My name is Dan Burrero, I host the program.

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Speaker 1: Guardsy is back and we are delighted to be joining

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Speaker 1: you today for a three hour Gilligan's Island like tour

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Speaker 1: out at six I'm assuming for Minnesota whild hockey.

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Speaker 3: Is that correct?

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Speaker 2: Incorrect?

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Speaker 4: We are out because of the National Championship game Westwood

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Speaker 4: One's coverage of the National Championship.

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Speaker 2: Is that right? It is interesting Yukon and Michigan Yukon and.

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Speaker 1: The unconquerable Michigan Wolverines who knew that one day.

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Speaker 2: Think about this.

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Speaker 1: They are on the verge of doing something that the

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Speaker 1: Fab five never did. Yeah, they're back being saluted and

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Speaker 1: faded and all those sorts of things as.

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Speaker 4: A group, but they never won the Big One. Did

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Speaker 4: they They lost two straight championship games.

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Speaker 1: Think about it, Michigan, I'm gonna guess is a seven

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Speaker 2: Wow, let me pull it up. I don't even know.

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Speaker 1: Monday regular Johnny Athletic at the bottom of this hour,

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Speaker 1: it includes former Major League Baseball umpire Tim Cheetah at

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Speaker 1: five point thirty. I cannot wait to hear what Tim

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Speaker 2: So we'll see what he has to say.

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Speaker 1: At five thirty. And at four point thirty, we're back

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Speaker 1: in space. Ladies and gentlemen, most of you know that

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Speaker 1: by now, is it Artemis? That's the project. I think

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Speaker 1: that's how we pronounce it. And as a result, how

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Speaker 1: about a visit with our old friend former WCCO TV

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Speaker 2: Survivor, I'll ask her.

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Speaker 1: But she's I got to believe she's been at CNN

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Speaker 1: for over twenty years, and however long it is, that's

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Speaker 1: easier said than done.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 2: You know, new.

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Speaker 1: Management coming in, new people coming in and out. You're

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Speaker 1: solid reportage and she has been all over the Artemis story.

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Speaker 1: In fact, I think now she is in Houston, gun

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Speaker 2: How good is that?

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Speaker 1: So it's she can be out with Jake Tapper one

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Speaker 4: That's part of her genius is she is relied upon

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Speaker 4: for all the big shots, right she worked with ac forever.

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Speaker 4: She sure does I think the occasionally yes, and then

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Speaker 4: obviously she does New Year's Eve where she does whatever

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Speaker 2: Drunken Eve is what they call it mean.

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Speaker 4: But she is like a cult hero at least in

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Speaker 4: my eyes, for that thing over and over Michigan six

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Speaker 2: I was pretty close. It's not bad.

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Speaker 1: It's in the ballpark, which, by the way, means it's

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Speaker 1: I even bothered. We know Michigan Arizona the two best teams.

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Speaker 1: And the idea that is, why were we even bothering

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Speaker 2: How many weird things have we seen happen.

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Speaker 1: National semifinals or national championship and over, over and over

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Speaker 1: How about the how about Villanova over Georgetown? For God's say,

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Speaker 1: to uh. I mentioned off the top of the program

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Speaker 1: your guy, mister Albert Einstein, The definition of insanity is

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Speaker 1: doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

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Speaker 2: Here it all the time. We've all heard it. Yep,

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Speaker 1: Don't think think it actually came from Einstein, that in fact,

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Speaker 1: I think we've lost two out of three in three

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Speaker 2: That is correct. So we sit at three and six.

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Speaker 1: So as I'm watching this club, the way they've been

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Speaker 1: a part of me that was screaming the definition of

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Speaker 1: insanity is doing the same thing over and over and

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Speaker 1: expecting different results with these owners, with this operation, no

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Speaker 1: that's involved, it definitely feels again very much like insanity.

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Speaker 1: Cutting the bullpen last year, cutting the payroll what now?

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Speaker 1: I think over the last two seasons something like sixty

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Speaker 1: But I'm also thinking about the Einstein quote as I'm reading.

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Speaker 4: I saw the headline, and I think I had the

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Speaker 1: I guess, in this case the definition of insanity that

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Speaker 1: Won't bore you with all the numbers, but they're all there.

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Speaker 1: He goes back all the way to the Boba squad

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Speaker 1: season in twenty nineteen, Simpler, we led the majors with

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Speaker 1: to platoon with a logjam of lefty bats, and every

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Speaker 1: off season we highlight the low cost free agents who

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Speaker 1: a career ops below six fifty off lefties. And nevertheless,

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Speaker 1: the Twins did not add what he describes as a

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Speaker 2: We don't want to, We do not want to.

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Speaker 1: We went a little long in that first segment. I

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Speaker 2: I mean, what are you doing? But it's all part

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Speaker 4: There's no point because you're drafting an eighteen year old.

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Speaker 1: Maybe that's the reality of it. Let us prepare, don't forget.

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Speaker 1: as we do, we'll give you details on what's now

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Speaker 1: classified as the Modified Amateur Baseball Major League Baseball player Draft,

441
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Speaker 1: because it is a little bit more complicated, has been

442
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Speaker 1: the last several years, more than simply worst record. You

443
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Speaker 1: get the uh the number one pick. We'll give you

444
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Speaker 1: some background on that in just a minute. To follow

445
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Speaker 1: up for the purposes of accuracy, Johnny joins us via

446
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Speaker 1: the Kinetico Water Systems hotline. He is, of course brought

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Speaker 1: to you by, as always RBC Wealth Management. I want

448
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Speaker 1: to read some numbers to you to begin our conversation.

449
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Speaker 1: Johnny three for fourteen, five for fourteen, six for sixteen,

450
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Speaker 1: five for fourteen, three for fifteen, five for thirteen, and

451
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Speaker 1: four for twelve. That's the shooting numbers the last seven

452
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Speaker 1: games for your guy, Once upon a Time, the sixth

453
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Speaker 1: Man of the Year, Naz read What is going on

454
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Speaker 1: with him?

455
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's been probably as brutal as stretch

456
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 3: for him as I can remember in the last several years.

457
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:42,160
Speaker 3: Like he's always been a little bit streaky here and there,

458
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:45,679
Speaker 3: but never anything like this. And right now when you

459
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:49,080
Speaker 3: watch him play, I really think his shoulder is bothering him.

460
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 3: Every game. He is grabbing at it several times a game.

461
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:56,640
Speaker 3: He's wincing in pain, he's trying to get through it.

462
00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:59,880
Speaker 3: And I do think that he's been dealing with this

463
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 3: for more than a month now, and I think it's

464
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 3: kind of it looks like it's weighing on him mentally

465
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:10,959
Speaker 3: as well. You know, you just you watch the energy

466
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:14,440
Speaker 3: that he has, You watch kind of the body language

467
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 3: that he has, and none of it looks good right now.

468
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 3: And for a long long time, he's been kind of

469
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:22,879
Speaker 3: their cheat code. He's the guy that comes off the

470
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:26,280
Speaker 3: bench with a dynamic game and a you know, unique

471
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:29,680
Speaker 3: size skill match and really helps them kind of get

472
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,520
Speaker 3: on top of opponents in the second unit. And he's

473
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:34,919
Speaker 3: just not the same right now. And it's a big

474
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Speaker 3: one of the one of many reasons, but a big

475
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Speaker 3: one why they are struggling so badly right now.

476
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Speaker 1: Here's the essential text that will determine why you make

477
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 1: the big money. Because we have been to a certain

478
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:56,240
Speaker 1: extent with this team here before. So there's an instinct

479
00:26:56,280 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 1: that some fans have, which is stop paying this isn't good.

480
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 2: But we got several injuries.

481
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 1: They're obviously being cautious regarding those injuries, so those players

482
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 1: will be available in the postseason. We know we can

483
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,359
Speaker 1: play with the teams that we are going to have

484
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 1: to meet in Round one. So here's the way Marshall

485
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 1: and Minnetauka conveys it. Two years ago, everybody thought we

486
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:22,639
Speaker 1: would get smoked by the Suns.

487
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:24,639
Speaker 2: We swept them. Then we beat Denver in seven.

488
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 1: We did the same thing to the Lakers in the

489
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:28,880
Speaker 1: first round last year when people were picking against us.

490
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 1: If we get everybody, help get everybody healthy, and use

491
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 1: that week off to our advantage. He's assuming you're not

492
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Speaker 1: going to be in the plan. Why can't we replicate that? Again,

493
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 1: that's the sixty four thousand dollars question because there's equity there.

494
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:45,440
Speaker 1: But is it automatically true that you can fall back

495
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Speaker 1: on that yet again, on the basis of what you

496
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 1: are seeing close up, because you've been around this team

497
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 1: not only for home.

498
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 2: Games lately, but for road games as well, what do

499
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Speaker 2: you think? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I mean what I have said for much of the

501
00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 3: season and what I genuinely belie leave this is I

502
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 3: do think that this core, this coaching staff, these players

503
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 3: deserve some benefit of the doubt given how eerily similar

504
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 3: their finishes to the last two seasons went, and then

505
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 3: what they did in the playoffs. So I'd think that

506
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 3: at this point today, just panicking and saying it's over,

507
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:30,120
Speaker 3: they're not going to make it. This team is cooked

508
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 3: is wrong. That's the wrong approach to take. That said,

509
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,399
Speaker 3: one of my jobs, as you know, Dan, is like

510
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 3: you document the day to day and right now where

511
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 3: this team is and kind of, like we talked about

512
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 3: on this program a lot all this season, they are

513
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 3: a group that has yet to really kind of deliver

514
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 3: some sort of statement run that says they are capable

515
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 3: of putting it all together. I think that my feeling

516
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 3: has been for much of this year, prior to the injuries,

517
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 3: that they were playing board with the regular season, and

518
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 3: that they believe that they could flip the switch. Obviously

519
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 3: very dangerous and immature approach now, though, the problem is

520
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:20,959
Speaker 3: is that Nazarite is banged up, Jade McDaniels and Anthony

521
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 3: Edwards are hurt, and so it's not as simple as

522
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 3: they just have to flip a switch. There's a lot

523
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 3: more that is going into it right now, and so

524
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:36,479
Speaker 3: they're going to have to really buckle down. First of all,

525
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 3: they got to win two more games and then use

526
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 3: that week off to really prepare for whether it's the

527
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 3: Lakers or Denver whoever in the first round, and get

528
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 3: themselves healthy and get themselves going. They can absolutely do it.

529
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Speaker 3: But I don't blame fans who want to look at

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Speaker 3: this and be very concerned with what they are seeing

531
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Speaker 3: at this point in the season.

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Speaker 1: To your point, and this is what I think people,

533
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Speaker 1: if they're being honest, have to include in the conversation

534
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Speaker 1: a year ago at this time, actually a year and

535
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Speaker 1: a month ago early, starting with early March, I'm looking

536
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 1: at an eight game Timberwolves winning streak. Then I'm looking

537
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Speaker 1: at starting March twenty eighth, a five game Wolves winning streak,

538
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Speaker 1: and then I'm seeing the last three games of this

539
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 1: season a three game winning streak. So what were there

540
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 1: was a twenty and five down the stretch fifteen whatever it.

541
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Speaker 3: Was seventeen four last year?

542
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, albeit against I think it was a slightly softer

543
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 1: schedule down the stretch than this year. They were ramping

544
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 1: it up in a way that frankly they haven't now Again,

545
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 1: they're injuried, they're injury riddled right now as well. But

546
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 1: that's part of the difference that I think people have

547
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 1: to come to grips with. Doesn't mean they can't, but

548
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 1: it means the conditions. Randall coming back off the injury,

549
00:30:56,360 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 1: playing his butt off the whole bit, seemingly transforming everything.

550
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 1: All that in the regular season I think was part

551
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Speaker 1: of what led to the confidence that, you know, and

552
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 1: we can go on a little run again, even though

553
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 1: we're in the sixth spot.

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00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so. So you know both of these

555
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 3: when you just posed this season against each of the

556
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 3: last two, you're right. Last year they got healthy late

557
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 3: February into March and then really started going on a run.

558
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 3: So you started to feel better about that leading the playoffs.

559
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 3: The year before it was, you know, in twenty three

560
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 3: twenty four they got off to a great start and

561
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 3: to the season and they were in the number one

562
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 3: seed for a while and they were looking really good

563
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 3: and sick. So both of those seasons had extended stretches

564
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 3: of very good play. So even right now, Dan, if

565
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 3: this team was struggling the way that it was, but

566
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 3: let's say January December, they had a stretch where they

567
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 3: were twenty two and six, you'd say, okay, we have

568
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 3: seen this team together right, really exactly play well, really perform,

569
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 3: really have a good spirit about them. But when the

570
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 3: head coach is saying after the game last night, when

571
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 3: I asked them about the spirit of the team, and

572
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 3: he's saying, we feel like we're a million miles away

573
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 3: from the team that we think we can be, that's alarming.

574
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 3: Because the playoffs are like right around the corner, not

575
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 3: even a mile away, and so it just speaks to

576
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 3: a group that feels like a lot of things have

577
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 3: to come together in a short period of time. I

578
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 3: think it can happen. I think it's reasonable, but it's

579
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 3: also it's also not. I would be lying to my

580
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 3: readership and I'd be lying to the fans if I said,

581
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 3: there's nothing to be concerned about here, don't worry about it.

582
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 3: It's going to be fine.

583
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 1: All right, Let's play a game that I never thought

584
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 1: we would have to play. What the wol's magic number

585
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 1: is to stay out of the plan. They actually put

586
00:32:57,520 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 1: themselves in a position where if you look at the

587
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 1: schedules the Wolves, well especially the Suns, you go, well,

588
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 1: Phoenix might be able to close with four straight victories,

589
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 1: especially if Oklahoma City mails it in, which they rarely do.

590
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 1: But who's to say that's the last game of the season.

591
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 1: So we're to point now where what we've got a

592
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 1: magic number of two for the Wolves. Any combination of

593
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 1: Wolves victories and Suns losses that add up to two

594
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 1: means we are in the sixth spot or we're certainly

595
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 1: not going to fall into the play in position. Should

596
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 1: Wolves fans actually be worried about it? And do you

597
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 1: think the coaches are at all worried about it enough

598
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 1: that they may reconsider being as conservative as they've seemed

599
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 1: to play it?

600
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 2: Regarding injuries to this point in terms of pink brings.

601
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I would say, first of all, I honestly

602
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 3: don't think they've been conservative on the injury front, Dan.

603
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 3: I think that they are just like playing the hand

604
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 3: that they're dealt. I don't think that. You know, they

605
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 3: tried to bring Anthony Edwards back last week and then

606
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 3: the pain kind of research fist in his knee, and

607
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 3: so they had to put him back on a shelf.

608
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 3: And Jade McDaniels is still out, and so I don't

609
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:10,800
Speaker 3: think there was an option to bring him back any

610
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 3: sooner either. So with this team and the way that

611
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,840
Speaker 3: it's going right now, you certainly can't take for granted

612
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:21,239
Speaker 3: that six is going to be there. I mean, they

613
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 3: have to win too. The good news for them is

614
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:26,800
Speaker 3: they play at Indiana tomorrow, which has eighteen wins on

615
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:29,360
Speaker 3: the season and is trying to lose every single game,

616
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 3: and then they play New Orleans on the last game

617
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:33,799
Speaker 3: of the season and they have twenty five wins and

618
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 3: they're not good either. But you know, Zion plays well

619
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 3: against the Wolves, and so then you have Orlando and

620
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:46,439
Speaker 3: Houston in between road games. So it's not guaranteed that

621
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 3: it all works out and the Wolves, you know, get

622
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 3: into the sixty. They could they could lose all all

623
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 3: of these games and and and give the Suns that spot.

624
00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 3: But I would say if they do, they did deserve

625
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 3: to be there in the first You cannot beat If

626
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:06,240
Speaker 3: you cannot beat the Pacers and the Pelicans, the Pelicans

627
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 3: at home, when KG is going to be there on

628
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 3: the on the last day of the season to clinch

629
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 3: a sixth seed, then you don't deserve to be there

630
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 3: at all.

631
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't argue with any of that.

632
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 1: How and when you say the Pacers are trying to lose,

633
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 1: how like obvious do they make that?

634
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 2: Do they sit people or are all their best.

635
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 1: PSK people out anyway, so they don't really have to

636
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 1: sit them because they're already sitting.

637
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 3: They have some guys that have been out with Haliburton

638
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 3: and a few others that have been like legitimately injured.

639
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 3: But you see some of the lineups that they're running

640
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 3: out there, or you know, they will also be one

641
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 3: of those teams that they'll play some guys through three

642
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 3: quarters and if they're winning the game or right in it,

643
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 3: you know, Rick Carla just says, hey, you know, maybe

644
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:50,840
Speaker 3: I need to give these young guys a chance, and

645
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 3: maybe give this g leaguer, this two way guy, you know,

646
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,720
Speaker 3: twelve minutes in the fourth. And so they are absolutely

647
00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 3: all intentional on trying to get as low as they

648
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 3: can because they with some pick protections and things. I

649
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 3: think they need to be in the top four to

650
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 3: secure their pick. And they are one game ahead or

651
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:14,479
Speaker 3: of Washington right now in the in the race for

652
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 3: the worst record, and so they are bending over backward

653
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 3: to dump these games as much as they can. And

654
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 3: so if the Wolves lose that one tomorrow night, it's

655
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 3: a complete disaster.

656
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 2: Who's since he mad at right now?

657
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:33,439
Speaker 3: Well, I think he's mad at a few people. I mean,

658
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:36,279
Speaker 3: Matt is what disappointed however, whatever term you want to use.

659
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 3: But Dante DiVincenzo is it's not that he's you know,

660
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 3: he's not shooting all these last three games, but I

661
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:45,240
Speaker 3: think that's less of a concern more of a Jersey

662
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 3: has two total rebounds in the last three games, and

663
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 3: that activity that is such a hallmark of his career

664
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 3: has just not been there. Rudy Gobert Man, it's been

665
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:02,879
Speaker 3: hard to watch him offensively, and he's making terrible decisions,

666
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 3: turning the ball over. He's not grabbing defensive rebounds, and

667
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:12,360
Speaker 3: so the team is getting their opponents are getting second

668
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 3: chance after second chance on offense, and so he's just

669
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:19,840
Speaker 3: not playing very well right now. You know, Nas, I

670
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 3: don't know if it's mad or disappointed, but like just

671
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 3: I think exasperated by his lack of shot making. I mean,

672
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:33,360
Speaker 3: there's plenty of disappointment to go around right now, and

673
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 3: I think, honestly, some of it probably has to fall

674
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 3: on him as well. He's got to find a way

675
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 3: to get these guys out of their own heads. That

676
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 3: is a coach's job when his team is struggling mentally,

677
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 3: find a way to take the pressure out of the balloon,

678
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 3: and he hasn't been able to do that for most

679
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 3: of the year.

680
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:54,800
Speaker 2: Let's go back to the Edwards injury.

681
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 1: You wrote about it in more depth, I think in

682
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 1: your most recent piece, basic saying it's the same injury

683
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:05,800
Speaker 1: that kept the Golden State Warriors Steph Curry, who, of

684
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 1: course we could have drafted twice out.

685
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 2: Was it twenty seven games? I think ye.

686
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 1: And you know, I think whether you intended to or not,

687
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 1: that gets people attending like, oh my god, there's a

688
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:16,799
Speaker 1: big disparity in age there.

689
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 2: What kind of what kind of condition is this? So

690
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:21,880
Speaker 2: how do I get that?

691
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 1: The Wolves I'm assuming are telling you he's going to

692
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:27,840
Speaker 1: play in the playoffs, But is it considered the kind

693
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 1: of chronic condition that might well end up dramatically affecting

694
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:38,239
Speaker 1: what he's capable of doing. How should Wolves fans feel

695
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 1: about the detail you're now getting about this injury and

696
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 1: the possibility this is going to be an ongoing thing

697
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 1: that's not even if he plays, it's not going to

698
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 1: go away.

699
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 3: Yeah. One of the things that is really apparent with

700
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 3: this specific injury, which kind of colloquially is called runners need,

701
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 3: is that there's nothing strung truly wrong with his knee

702
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 3: that will that anyone is concerned about with like ligaments,

703
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 3: with any kind of surgery needed right now. But there

704
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:14,319
Speaker 3: is discomfort and inflammation in there that is making it

705
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 3: that can make it very painful. The frustrating thing, as

706
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:21,439
Speaker 3: Steph Curry detailed in dealing with it, is you don't

707
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 3: really know when it's going to be a good day

708
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 3: and when it's going to be a bad day. And

709
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 3: so what kind of prompted me to go a little

710
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 3: bit more in depth with this piece this morning, was

711
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 3: that you know, he comes back and plays and plays

712
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 3: well in Dallas, looks pretty good. Then he misses, you know,

713
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 3: a game because of illness in Detroit and comes back

714
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 3: on Friday in Philadelphia, does not play well. But it

715
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 3: was clearly he was really really sick from what I

716
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:51,759
Speaker 3: was told Dan, and so I was kind of like

717
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 3: looking at it as okay, he's still recovering from the

718
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:57,359
Speaker 3: illness and that's why he didn't play very well. Well.

719
00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 3: Then he comes and comes out on Sunday and it's

720
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:02,919
Speaker 3: unavailable and it's nothing to do with the illness. It's

721
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 3: only the knee. And so you talk to more people

722
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 3: about it. You look at what Steph Curry has gone

723
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 3: through and what he's detailed on the record, and this

724
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:14,840
Speaker 3: is an injury that can kind of fluctuate. And again,

725
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 3: like to reiterate, there's still everyone around Anthony Edwards and

726
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:23,360
Speaker 3: in the Timberwolves does believe that he will be okay

727
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 3: and be able to play in the playoffs. But there

728
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 3: there's also an acknowledgement that this is a really tricky thing

729
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 3: and it can come back, and it can you know,

730
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:37,280
Speaker 3: there's not a linear kind of improvement method or treatment

731
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 3: program to get him ready like right now. And so

732
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 3: it's possible that he will have to deal with this,

733
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:45,360
Speaker 3: you know, in some way, shape or form in the

734
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:49,279
Speaker 3: playoffs or maybe you know, an extended period of time

735
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:51,759
Speaker 3: in another full week off before the playoffs will get

736
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 3: him in good shape. But it's it's just unpredictable and

737
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:59,359
Speaker 3: it's really tricky, and that's what makes it hard to

738
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 3: figure out exactly how he's going to handle this going forward.

739
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 1: Is it you know, you had there's some a lot

740
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 1: of comments from Conley trying to hold things together in

741
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 1: the role that he is in. Is it harder for

742
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 1: him to do that if he's less a focal point.

743
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 1: I'm just wondering what the vibe, what the vibe is

744
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 1: that you feel or in the locker room, because again,

745
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 1: this is a competitive game until late in the third quarter,

746
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 1: and then it wasn't. I mean, then they got they

747
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 1: got run out of the gym at home again, and

748
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:31,360
Speaker 1: we know who they have out. I get all of that,

749
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:34,799
Speaker 1: but I'm just I'm wondering what the vibe is you

750
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 1: get within the locker room.

751
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I kind of wrote that, you know,

752
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 3: this is a team that rides the emotional roller coaster

753
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 3: all year long, and right now they're in a funking place,

754
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:48,439
Speaker 3: like you feel it in there. And I think one

755
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 3: of the issues is that a lot of their prominent

756
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:56,320
Speaker 3: players right now that are left, you know, Anton Jayden

757
00:41:56,400 --> 00:42:03,280
Speaker 3: watching from the bench, are quieter rooting guys. Julius Randall,

758
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 3: Rudy Gobert, Nas Reed, Dante DiVincenzo is his own kind

759
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 3: of you kind of personality and without the energy and

760
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 3: like kind of the kind of lightness that that Ant

761
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 3: brings to the table, really all they have is bones

762
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 3: and ile are kind of the more of the spark

763
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 3: plub guys. Mike, You're right is is still trying to

764
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 3: do it, but he is not as involved anymore, even

765
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 3: though he is playing a little bit more lately. So

766
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:38,800
Speaker 3: this is a team that is struggling to find any

767
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:42,479
Speaker 3: sort of like lightning rod people to lead them out

768
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:45,879
Speaker 3: of the abyss. And that's why I do think it's

769
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:48,879
Speaker 3: on Chris Finch to do it. And if there is

770
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 3: an absence of that kind of personality on your roster

771
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 3: right now, the head coach has to fill it some

772
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:57,839
Speaker 3: way somehow, And I don't know what it is. Does

773
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 3: he take them bowling, Do they go to the Pecos

774
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:03,919
Speaker 3: River do whatever they do. They got to do something

775
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 3: to get out of this rut and get out of

776
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 3: the mental doldrums that they are in right now. And

777
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 3: there doesn't seem to be a player with the boys

778
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:18,800
Speaker 3: active you know right now that is that is equipped

779
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:20,279
Speaker 3: to do that on his own.

780
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 1: You know, I'm looking at the Pacers the last several games.

781
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:27,319
Speaker 1: I don't think anything can be taken for granted. They

782
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 1: they beat while everybody beats the Bulls. They beat the

783
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:36,279
Speaker 1: Bulls by nineteen, they beat Miami by seventeen, they beat

784
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 1: Orlando six.

785
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:40,399
Speaker 2: I mean, they're losing their fair share.

786
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 1: But I'm telling you at this point, the way the

787
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:44,399
Speaker 1: Wolves are playing, I don't think anything can be taken

788
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:44,840
Speaker 1: for granted.

789
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 3: You absolutely cannot. Because one of the things that this

790
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:54,760
Speaker 3: team does struggle with the most is just hard playing

791
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 3: teams like teams that come out and just bring energy

792
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 3: and effort, and that's what these guys are going The

793
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:04,880
Speaker 3: Pacers are going to do that. They're gonna have a

794
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 3: bunch of guys that aren't really valuehood, that don't really

795
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 3: are trying to get noticed by other teams. And so

796
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 3: if you know they do some shenanigans later in the

797
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 3: game to really try to tilt the scales towards Minnesota.

798
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:19,799
Speaker 3: That may work, but the problem is is, like it's

799
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 3: not just an energy thing right now for the Wolves done.

800
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 3: I mean, they can't make any shots. But you know,

801
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 3: I mean, if you can't make shots, it doesn't matter.

802
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 3: You know who you're playing, You're gonna be in grinds.

803
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 3: And then if they are in a grind do they

804
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 3: go with the here we go again type of thing.

805
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 3: Do they have the mental fortitude and toughness right now

806
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 3: to get through it. They played really well and looked

807
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:47,799
Speaker 3: really good in Dallas against a very bad team, and

808
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 3: then Cooper Flag went and scored like one hundred points

809
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:52,319
Speaker 3: in the next two games. So they're capable of doing

810
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:56,360
Speaker 3: it against bad teams. But you do worry about teams

811
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:59,839
Speaker 3: like the Pacers that really do play hard and we'll

812
00:44:59,880 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 3: just make them have to earn it at the start.

813
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:05,760
Speaker 3: And the way that these guys are going right now mentally,

814
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:08,360
Speaker 3: that's that's going to be a bit of a tall task.

815
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 1: I know you've probably blown a lot of your travel

816
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 1: budget with this number of trips lately, but I got

817
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 1: to believe it's going to be awfully, awfully attempting to

818
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:22,720
Speaker 1: make the trip to Indianapolis for tomorrow night given everything

819
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 1: we know about that city.

820
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the city itself, with the support that

821
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:32,319
Speaker 3: you know for big events. I mean, why where else

822
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:34,799
Speaker 3: would you want to be? Dan, I lived in Indianapolis

823
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 3: for two years, so I was on the front lines

824
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 3: of it. Yeah, I know it. I've been there, I've

825
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 3: experienced it, and and it is one of those things

826
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:46,360
Speaker 3: where if you're not there, if you're not in it,

827
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 3: you just can't You wouldn't know. You just wouldn't know,

828
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:51,839
Speaker 3: and you wouldn't be able to appreciate it. So everyone

829
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 3: should go to Indy for a big event, I think.

830
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 3: And yeah, that's the one last road game I'm not

831
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:00,879
Speaker 3: going to unfortunately, because everyone in the world is there.

832
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 3: It's just hard to get a hotel room, you know,

833
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 3: all those things. Dan. So yeah, I'm gonna skip that

834
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 3: when I'm going to Orlando and Houston, but I will

835
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 3: be desperately missing the pageantry of Indianapolis at for a

836
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:14,399
Speaker 3: big event.

837
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:17,280
Speaker 2: What is the layman's term for the Anthony Edwards injury?

838
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:17,920
Speaker 2: What do we call it?

839
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 3: Runners knee?

840
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 1: I've got several textures saying that there's no hockey player,

841
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 1: professional hockey player alive that would be sitting on a

842
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 1: huh on a runner's knee. They would be out of

843
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 1: there to finish. I'm just I'm just don't don't shoot

844
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 1: the messenger.

845
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:40,240
Speaker 3: Well, hey, I can't get Louis mad at me again,

846
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 3: so I'm gonna I'm just going to agree with everyone

847
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:47,720
Speaker 3: that hockey players are the iron men, and they're super

848
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 3: special and they're you know, that's why they get all

849
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 3: these big TV deals. That's why you know, there's so

850
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 3: much popularity in the game, and and and and you

851
00:46:57,080 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 3: can't that's why they get all of the covering that

852
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 3: they do nowadays, and is because hockey is great and

853
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:07,359
Speaker 3: the players are great and everyone is tough and and

854
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:09,840
Speaker 3: all you know, all of the things are going hockey's

855
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 3: way and none of it's going basketball.

856
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:15,280
Speaker 2: We'll be we will be in touch, thank you, all right, Thankdan.

857
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:18,359
Speaker 1: That's Johnny Athletic trying to stir it up, even if

858
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:20,719
Speaker 1: when he says he's trying not to stir it up,

859
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 1: he can't help himself, and then he stirs up